8/16/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show

Broadcasting Live from the Holy Grail! Evan McPherson gets a new contract, what do I want to see form preseason game #2 with few starters playing and of course Reds discussion.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
In fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
What's up? It's five out of three. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
On my Laggers.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you for listening and starting your weekend with us.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
We're broadcasting today from the Holy Grail downtown Cincinnati. All right,
that's right, Cincinnati's best bar. There's no better place to be.
You got the Reds and Royals tonight, Red Hot Reds.
Can we say that coming off a sweep of the Cardinals,
they've won four straight. A better team from Missouri in
town this evening, Reds and Royals at the first of

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three tonight. It's also yacht rock night, so there's a
lot of excitement for that. I put a captain's hat
on for the show preview video, which is up on
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be before a Reds game. There's no better place to
be before a Bengals game. There's no better place to
be before a concert down here, whether it be at
the Brady Music Center or down the street at the Arena.
There's no better place, and so so much going on.
Summer is not over. I know, public school districts, what

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have you believe? Otherwise, summer is not over. So there's
no better place to post up on a warm summer night,
or hang out, maybe do some day drinking on a
warm summer Saturday or Sunday than here at the Holy Grail.
We've got some Bengals news with the Evan McPherson contract extension.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
We'll get to here in just a second.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I very quickly again want to thank the folks at
the Cincinnati Open for hosting US yesterday and the people
at Western and Southern for giving us space to broadcast
from for what feels like the twelfth consecutive year. We've
done a lot of shows from what used to be
the Western and Southern Open now the Cincinnati Open. We

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broadcast from there every year. I think yesterday might have
been my favorite between the guess that we had. We
had Leila Fernandez, who you know, just represented her country
in the Olympics and made a US Open final three
years ago. We had Luke Jensen. You know, if you're
of a certain age, or remember the the Jensen Brothers

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rock and roll tennis and Luke just a tremendous ambassador
for the sport. And so that the tennis part of
the show was awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yesterday. Being out in public is always a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
The hospitality shown by the people at the Cincinnati opened
I cannot thank them enough. That is, we show up
in the middle of their week when they've got a
billion things going on, and they roll out the red
carpet for us. And then you know, we had Anthony
Munio's on the show too, maybe the greatest offensive.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Lineman of all time.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
And and and he's I dare I say a little
bit of a footnote. If you missed any of yesterday,
Kelsey Conway from the Bengals joint practice, Pat Brennan, all
that stuff, go get it on the iHeartRadio app and
and you could relive the fun. That was a really
really fun show yesterday afternoon. It's a really fun day
for Evan McPherson. So one of the few remaining to
do items for the Bengals this offseason gets crossed off.

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Evan gets a three year contract extension. According to Mikero Rofflo,
of NFL Media. It's a three year deal worth sixteen
and a half million dollars. We all knew that Evan
was entering the last year of his rookie contract. He
is now set to make ten million dollars in new
money in the first year of the deal, which will
be the most ever for a kicker on a three

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year extension. We all know how good Evan McPherson has been.
We all know how good he has been in huge moments.
He has made, you know, frankly, some of the biggest
kicks in the history of the franchise. Nineteen for nineteen
and seven preseason games, three of them from over fifty
game winners, clutch kicks.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
He is an absolute weapon.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
And you know, as much as we could talk about
the twenty twenty one draft kind of being a dud
with the exception of Jamar Chase and Evan McPherson, when
the Bengals drafted a kicker, there was the kind of
built in, almost automatic snickering that came the Bengals way.
And look, I'm not gonna say that I didn't participate

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in some of that, but I remember getting Shane Graham
on the show, and Shane Graham, the former Bengal, had
a terrific NFL career, had worked had coached Evan McPherson,
and he's like, Dude, this guy's different. This guy's a weapon.
This guy can change how you play. This guy can
change how you coach. This guy is going to be
able to make the sort of kicks that win you games.

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And he's going to be able to make the kind
of kicks that we've watched guys like Justin Tucker make
in Baltimore, and all of that stuff has proven to
be true. Can you imagine, you know, just think of
the Super Bowl run in twenty twenty one where the
Bengals get to the super Bowl kind of in spite
of their offense. They get there in large part because
of a great defense, opportunistic defense, and elite special teams play.

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And I kind of felt like, in the immediate aftermath
of Evan's rookie season, like the Bengals should be given
some credit for. Look, here's a position that we can weaponize.
Here's a position where we think we can get better,
And just because it's kicker doesn't.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Mean we don't view it the same way you might
view the.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Offensive line or a quarterback or wide receiver or safety
or corner or anywhere else. If you can find someone
who's better and you can turn this position into a weapon,
you do it. And it's paid dividends for the Bengals,
it's paid off for Evan McPherson. And so one of
those I guess last remaining to do list item for
the Bengals. As the offseason gets closer to closing down,

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they do have a game tomorrow, and obviously the McPherson
deal getting done might compel you to think, well, now,
let's talk about Jamar Chase, which we will. And do
I think the Bengal should get a deal done with
Jamar Chase?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Do I think they will this offseason? Man, your guest
is as good as mine. There is a really good
piece written by Albert Breer of SI that I tweeted
out earlier today that you can go and find and
it kind of dives into some of the ins and
outs so between the Bengals and Jamar Chase. But regardless,
the more pressing issue right now is who's gonna play
right tackle? And it's frustrating and it's I guess ironic

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would be the word. I don't know, one of the
bigger questions about the Bengals coming into the off season
is now one of the bigger questions going into the
season coming out of the offseason, and that's who's gonna
play right tackle?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
And you know, long term, is it going to be
a Marius Mims?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Meaning long term over the course of the entire season, perhaps,
but it certainly doesn't feel like that's what you would
put your money on week one.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
The Trent Brown thing.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
And when I say the Trent Brown thing, I mean
everything that's kind of become a part of the Trent
Brown experience, from lack of availability to perhaps not the
biggest go getter public attitude that you would look for,
and now a back issue. And you know, maybe the
back issue is no big deal, but I jump back

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to what Trent Brown talked about last week, which was
I need to use the coming weeks to.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Get into football shape.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, how much of that has been hampered by having
a back problem and maybe not being able to do
nearly as much, maybe not being able to to do
stuff to get yourself into football shape. Which then let's
fling it back to last week, and wonder, my guy,
why weren't you in football shape prior to August. And

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so are we counting on Trent Brown playing week one
a right tackle for the Bengals?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
And even if we are, how good's he gonna be?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like, I think that's a fair and legitimate question, how
good's he gonna be when by his own admission last week,
he wasn't where he needs to be week one And
you might have been okay with that, But is he
gonna be where he needs to be week one when
he might have to spend some time between now and
week one on not practicing or doing much of anything else.

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Deontay Smith isn't going to be a part of the solution.
He is one of two Bengals who was carted off
yesterday wearing an air cast. And so you know the
story of the game last week above and beyond watching
the first team offense play, And you know we talked
about this on this show late last week.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
The story of the game against.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Tampa Bay last Saturday, for me at least, was going
to be let's see what the backups on the offensive
line look like. Let's see if we can use this
game to feel better or I guess maybe feel worse
about their offensive line depth. Which was not tested at
all last season. I did think, as a general rule,
the backups on the offensive line played like decent backups.

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I didn't think as a unit they were glaringly bad.
Jackson Carmen obviously was, but I didn't think as a
unit they were glaringly bad. But from where we were
going into that game last Saturday to where we are
right now, things have changed. Number One, Jackson Carmen blew
an opportunity last Saturday to show that he should make
the team. Deontay Smith is now not available. Amrius Mims

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is now not available. Trent Brown, your.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Guess is as good as mine as to what's up
with that dude.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
So if last Saturday, the story of the preseason game
against the Bucks was gonna be the offensive line, specifically
depth in a game where most of the starters aren't
gonna play, that for me, tomorrow takes center stage offensive
line depth, and specifically at right tackle, where I don't
I have a hard time really feeling good about this.

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Coming into the season. The Bengals decide that we're prioritizing
the right tackle so much so we're signing a guy
in free agency who's been around for almost a decade,
and we're using a first round pick on a right tackle.
As of this moment, neither guy's available, which means you
have to wonder, as of this moment, is either guy
going to be available for Game one? And if the
answer is no, who's going to be the starting right tackle?

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And the answer, quite rankly cannot be Jackson Carbage. Fourteen
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Wrigley Field this afternoon. But Tony Pike is here and
he's doing his training camp reports. Even though there's no
training camp, and even though he's not in Chicago, all
the beat writers and stuff that made the trip were

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at Wrigley Field.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Tony's working.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Let's say he's going to join us in thirty minutes
to talk about the game. Tomorrow is interesting for a
few different reasons. I think tomorrow is a huge opportunity
for Dax Hill, It's a huge opportunity for DJ Turner, and.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I think it's a huge opportunity for.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Jermaine Burton, who I think might have had the most
interesting week of anybody on the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
We'll get to that coming up in just a bit.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Meanwhile, Reds are home off day yesterday, a chance to
get back to five hundred for the first time since
before the Kentucky Derby. Reds and Royals coming up tonight,
let's talk about it when we come back. We're at
the Holy Grail downtown Cincinnati. It's a quarter after three.
My name is mo Edgar Thrillger with us today on
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
It goes it's a.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Sunday home game at one o'clock. You know we'd be here,
and we will be here starting with a game one
against the Pass which is a one o'clock kickoff. No
Matthew Judan for New England, and we'll be here regardless,
nine am at the Holy Grail, Ken Brew, Tony Pike
and myself cannot wait. Those Bengals game day mornings here

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at the Grail are awesome and we hope you're there
for it.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Hope you join us this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
If you're getting off work, come on out to the
Holy Grail downtown. We are here until six o'clock. Tony
is gonna join us in just about twenty minutes. We
did some really good Bengal stuff yesterday, Kelsey Conway, Anthony
Munno's I know that the practice, the practice didn't go
well yesterday. From an offensive perspective, you could do whatever

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you want with that. Please don't get mad at the
Beat writers who are reporting what's happening during practice.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
You're allowed to draw your own conclusion.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
You're allowed to, you know, say, if Joe had a
bad damn practice, no big deal.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
He's ahead of where he was last year. And by
the way, that's that's kind of.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Where I am. And you're allowed to think the sky
is falling. Don't get mad at the people who are reporting.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
What they see.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Thank you, Thank you more on that and Ben and
again if you missed it, news came down about an
hour and a half ago.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Evan McPherson gets his contract extension with the.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Bengals Reds and we didn't really get a chance to
touch on them much. Yesterday. They go to They they
lose the two games last week in Milwaukee, win the finale,
come home play the Cardinals win three straight, and you know,
I think there's a real, real general vibe of just

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when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in.
And I don't know if we're all there with the
Reds right now. I think you have to acknowledge a
couple of things. I think they're better than the same
of those Cardinals. Now that's easy for me to say
after they sweep a three game series, understanding what we
have come to know about the Cardinals and how good
that franchise has been at cranking out big league players,

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and they've lost ninety games once in a season since
nineteen ninety. If you look at the two rosters, if
you look at the youth, if you look at the
youth in the pitching staff, these are franchises we often
compare to each other.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Give me Cincinnati, and even if you don't.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Buy that, this little surge here where they've won four
straight games is worth getting excited about as it relates
to the Reds playoff chances. It does, I think, reaffirm
something we all kind of knew after the trade deadline,
which was, you know, maybe the front office waved the
white flag or throw in the towel or whatever verbiage

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you want to use, but this this wasn't and isn't
twenty sixteen or seventeen. This wasn't or isn't one of
those seasons where the Reds aren't buyers and maybe they're
slight sellers because they're losing ninety five games, and you know,
we kind of talked about this right after the trade
deadline that you might argue one of the more frustrating

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things about this team is they're just They're probably just
good enough to hang on the periphery, not totally fade
into oblivion, and perhaps give you reason to think that,
you know, what, if this happens, and if this happens.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
They can make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
They're starting pitching knock on Wood is just good enough
that I'm willing to bet a month from now we
are still at least looking at the standings, I would
not bet at amount of money that matters to be
on this team making the postseason, although I saw last
night twelve to one reds to play in October, which

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you know is pretty good value there. But the starting
pitching is just good enough to keep this team in
the race.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Ish.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
The question I have is over the next quarter of
the season, final quarter of the season. Is there going
to be a continued cleanup of some of the slop
that frankly has dominated the first four plus months of
the season. Can the starting pitching hold up, Will they
hit enough? Can they continue to do better than they

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did earlier in the season in one run games? Can
they beat teams that are that are better than them,
that have better records than them, at least which there's
a bunch on the schedule in September. Like, I believe
in the right starting pitching, and not that they're you know,
gonna be immune to clunkers, but I mean I believe

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in the starting pitching enough to feel like this team
can kind of hang around. Now. Kind of hang around
might mean they're never closer than four or four and
a half games out of the wildcard, But I don't
think for a second that we're gonna look at the
standings in a month and and see them nine ten
games out of the wildcard. Now again, that totally goes

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up and smoke. If the starting pitching, as we have
seen it all season long, totally goes away, I don't
think that's gonna happen. I think it's a question of
can they can they win enough close games, Can the offense.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Continue to do its.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Part the way it has or the way it did
in that Saint Louis series, I'm really the way it
has now here for a little while, And can they
clean up the slop enough to not shrink their own
margin for air. They're gonna have to win a lot
of games in a short amount of time. I mean
the basic math, and we've talked about this all season long,
is you know, right now, the Atlanta Braves are on

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pace despite their issues, and they have a bunch to
win eighty five eighty six games. The Reds are sitting
at sixty and so if you operate under the assumption
that it's gonna take eighty five wins to get to
the postseason, that's that means they gotta go twenty five
and sixteen the rest of the way. That's well over
six hundred baseball. This has not been a six hundred
baseball team, but the pitching is probably just good enough

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that we are going to spend at least what's today
to the sixteenth the rest of August, and at least
like the first week of September at least entertaining the
possibility this team could still, as far Fetch says it
may sound, get to the postseason. Now, this goes up
in flames if they get swept this weekend. The one

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thing they cannot afford really in any series is to
to get swept. But the starting pitching is just good enough.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
If you look at the National League cential, I beat hard.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Pressed to find anybody, myself included.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Who believes that anyone anyone's gonna catch the Milwaukee Brewers.
Pittsburgh Pirates have totally fallen off the face of the earth.
The Chicago Cubs just are not very good, and that
Cardinals team that came to GABP this week looked a
lot more like the Chicago White Sox of twenty twenty
four than anything resembling a bona fide postseason contender. And
the Reds do have something in their back pocket in

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that starting pitching that not a whole lot of.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Teams in the hunt have. So do I think they're
gonna make the postseason? I think the math is really
really hard.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Do Do I think they're gonna stay in it? The
starting pitching is too good for me to say no.
You're welcome to tell me if you disagree. At five
point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty, we are going
to give away some Green Day tickets in the four
o'clock hour. We've got actually two pair today, and we
love to play stupid little trivia games. Sometimes on location.

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They do not work. We're gonna try to make one
of them work. Coming up at four to thirty three,
We're gonna give you a choice. At four thirty three,
we can test your knowledge of the shared history of
the Bengals and Bears, or the shared history between the
Reds and the Kansas City Royals. Not coming up in
just about an hour. Sports headlines and Tony Pike still

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ahead this hour.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's a three thirty.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
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Speaker 2 (19:46):
Bengals and excuse me tongue time.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Bengals and Edan McPherson have signed a three year contract
extension with each other. It'll pay him sixteen and a
half million dollars of the deal is worth sixteen and
a half million dollars keeps him in Cincinnati through the
twenty twenty seven season. Meanwhile, Evan and his teammates off today.
They are in Chicago to play the Bears tomorrow afternoon.

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Most of these starters will not go kickoff tomorrow at
one o'clock. Pregame coverage on ESPN fifteen thirty begins at.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Nine oh five.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Meanwhile, Reds and Royals tonight, old friend Michael Lorenzen will
throw for Kansas City, making his third start since being
traded by the Rangers to the Royals. Nick Martinez throws
for the home team, Red's looking for their fifth consecutive win.
Starting lineup hopefully made well comes to you thanks to
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the players get to wear like goofy numbers on their
hats or something I don't know. India is leading off,
Eli de la Cruz at shortstop, Tyler Stevenson behind the plate, TJ.
Friedel coming off to Homer games in center, Spencer Steer
and left. Jamercandelario is a daging in batting six, Tie
France at first, Will Benson's and Wright and Noelve Marte

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is playing third base and batting ninth. This is the
first of a three game series and tonight's first pitch
at six point forty.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hear the action live on seven.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Hundred WLW Florence on the road at Evansville FC. Cincinnati
off this weekend after bowing out of the League's Cup.
They are prepping for next week's next week's show next
week's showdown against Miami. Very very easy for me to say,
Tony and I are going to talk in a few
minutes about some stuff to look for tomorrow night. If
you're wondering any movement on Jamar Chase, the answer is no.

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I think mechanically in the game tomorrow, most of the
main guys aren't gonna play. There is I think a
really good competition brewing for the other starting cornerback gig,
and not between two guys who have been flawless by
any stretch, but Dj Turner and Dax Sill have both
flashed during practice. We saw the entire Dax Hill cornerback

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experience in the game last weekend against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
I think it's gonna be interesting to see what moves
either guy makes tomorrow in terms of taking a step
toward getting the gig.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I also think nobody on.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
The team had a week as interesting as Jermaine Burton,
who I think the headline from the game on Saturday
was how long it took him to get on the
field and how buried on the depth chart he was,
and like buried behind Charlie Jones and andre Yoshabash and

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those guys, but also buried behind Kendrick Pryor and Quame Lassiter.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
But then he shows up and against.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Guys who quite frankly, are probably not gonna play in
the NFL, you see his incredible physical gifts. And then
after the game Joe Burrows, and Joe Burrow doesn't say
anything unintentionally, he doesn't you say things? Does and say things?
Says Tremaine's got to get his head in the playbook,
And you know that speaks to trust. We talk about
this all the time, you know, we talk about this

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with guys like Tyler Boyd's not here anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Now do I think he's replaceable? Sure?

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Do I think he was a guy that clearly had
Joe Burrow's trust. It goes without saying we have seen
what can happen when Joe's confidence in you evaporates.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
IRV Smith saw it last year.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Once Joe Burrow stopped having any amount of confidence in
IRV Smith. IRV Smith may as well have not even
been on the team. He's got it with a guy
like Trent Irwin. And like you could say, well, you know,
Trent Irwin might not have the most explosive set of
physical tools.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
And that's all well and good.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
It's made up for by the fact that I think
Joe Burrow feels like I could throw it to Trent Irwin.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Feel like the guy's gonna run the right route.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
He's gonna make the play. He's not gonna do the
wrong thing. He's gonna know what play is being called.
He's gonna know what his assignments are. That goes a
long way. It goes a long way with most quarterbacks.
I think it goes along way with most coaches. I
think goes a little bit further with the guy like
Joe Burrow. And so one of the things that's interesting
to me is can Jermaine Burton, who has physical gifts
that are undeniable, can he somehow between now and the

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beginning of the season, with practice time dwindling and the
pre preseason is going to be over within a week,
can Jermaine Burton use the coming weeks to somehow, some
way gain Joe Burrow's trust enough to actually be used

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because you could you could talk about what Jermaine might
be able to do that some of those other guys cannot.
But if if number nine is not feeling it, if
number nine doesn't think he can rely on you, and
not only you're not going to see the field, not
only you're not gonna have the ball throne, you're probably
not gonna be active.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
On game day.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
So I think that's that's an interesting subplot. I think
Jermaine had a really interesting week because it was easy
for a lot of us to watch how he played
against the Bucks and go, how's that guy not getting
more run? How's that guy not getting more reps? How
did that guy have to wait until so deep into
game to get on the field. But then when Joe

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Burrow says publicly like he's got to get his head
in the playbook, that speaks to something that has been
a theme here since pretty much the moment Joe got
to Cincinnati. Can Jermaine Burton use the coming the two games?
Could he use yesterday's joint practice, the one they have
against the Colts? Can he use the time that's left
between now in the regular season to earn the sort
of trust that's going to be needed for him to

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be able to tap into those physical tools that he
has in games. Perhaps we get some answers tomorrow, and
not because Joe Burrow is going to be throwing him
the football, because it's going to be the tag team
combination of Logan Woodside and Rocky Lombardy. Eighteen away from
four o'clock, we'll tapping to these issues with Tony Pike
Live Training Camp report as we get set for tomorrow's

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preseason tilt that is next. It's eighteen away from four o'clock.
We're at the Holy Grail downtown on ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati's sports station.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
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of ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Y Bengals aren't practicing today because they have a game
tomorrow live on ESPN fifteen to thirty in Chicago against
the Bears. Tony Pike is still with us, giving us
live training camp reports three forty five, four forty five,
and five to forty five every day until the end
of time. Let's talk about some stuff that's gonna unfold tomorrow.
Most starters aren't gonna play, but there's been a very
good battle at corner between Dax Hill and DJ Turner,

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and we get a chance to see the next step
in that battle tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yeah, you know, you mentioned it's a it's been a
good battle. I don't know if it's it's a battle
that's been a positive from what the Bengals need to see.
It's been a bottle where they are close, but no
one is really taking this job and running with it.
In fact, we've talked more about Josh Newton through these
training camps amps than DJ Turner and Dax Hill in
a positive manner. And what I think is frustrating if

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you look at yesterday's practices, is that a lot of
the success that Caleb Williams and the Bears offense head
and the joint practice, Dax Hill seemed to be on
the wrong end of those and for a lot of
people it felt like, Okay, Dax is starting to figure
it out.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
How much of that was who he was going.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
Against in the preseason game number one with Tampa's second
and third team. I think that is a viable option
to look at here. DJ Turner has been good, not
great throughout training camp, Dax Hill changing positions. You thought, okay,
maybe he's turning the corner, and by all accounts, yesterday
it wasn't a good day for him. It wasn't a
good day for the secondary. So what I would like
to see is one of these guys start to take

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the reins and take the job, you know, not hold
on based on what the other guy is not doing.
I need to see one of these guys step up
and say, Okay, I'm going to be the guy. You
have an opportunity tomorrow, you have a joint practice Tuesday,
and one more opportunity Thursday. In that time, somebody needs
to take this job. Not hope to be given this job,

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but by all accounts not a great joint practice. The
Bears offense was able to move the ball very well,
even in the rain, in the passing game, and I
think that is a big indictment on where this secondary
is and where they need to go in a short
amount of time.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Last week.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
As good as the first team offense was in that
opening series, they were terrible running the football. The Bengals'
longest run last week was seven yards and it came
from Logan Woodside. Now we all understand who's not going
to play tomorrow night, but it would be nice to
see this team run the ball more effectively.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
Well, they need to run the ball effectively, mo and
they need to use tomorrow and this time left to
figure out who it's going to be upfront. Right now,
we don't know a ton on Trent Brown other than
lower back tightness. Lower back injuries are never good. A
Marius Mims is not there. They they now have an
extreme depth problem on the offensive line. Deontay Smith is out,

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So who is going to be the tackle for this team?
Who is going to set the tone in the running game.
Who is going to give them some semblance of depth
going forward? Because you do feel good, Okay, Orlando Brown's
been solid, Volson Karas Kappa. A lot of questions at
tackle at right tackle right now, they still don't have
a lot of depth. Tomorrow is a great chance to
build depth and to show, Okay, maybe there are some

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cornerstone pieces on this offensive line that we can use
for depth that if needed and called upon, they can
go out there and still play with that glass eating
mentality that Frank Pollack talks about.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
They need to find somebody to play it right tackle.
And you mentioned Trent Brown. Look, he may help this
team eventually. I'm almost out on the idea of him
being an effective starter week one. By his own admission
last week, I'm not in football shape. I'm not where
I need to be. I need to use the next
month to get myself in football shape. So maybe that happens,
But is it going to happen in time for Week

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one if he's currently dealing with.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
A back injury, well lower back again. Nightmare scenario for
any guy that in Trent Brown, he's had an injury
passed and to your point. When a Marius Mims was healthy,
it was, Oh, I'm not in a big rush. I
got a month to get ready. Then you were thrust
into a role. Then your back kind of gave out
on you. Now you're probably not doing a ton I

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don't know what the severity of a Marius Mims looks like. No,
I mean, can this team. Can you start Jackson Carmen
at right tackle?

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Week one? No? No, No, you cannot.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
So no, You've got to figure out what the answer
is going to be, and you've got to do so
sooner rather than later. We talked about Joe Burrow earlier
in the week and the frustration that could be setting in.
It's because there's not a lot of time between you
start running scout team stuff and you start game planning,
because New England and Kansas City are right around the corner,
and you have a glaring, glaring question right now on

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who's in charge of protecting Joe Burrow from a right
tackle position.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, no question about it.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Tony Pike back with his coming up at four forty five.
Don't forget Bengals Bears tomorrow. Pregame coverage on ESPN fifteen
thirty at nine o'clock in the morning, specifically nine oh five,
and the game kicks off at Soldier Field at one o'clock.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Tony beck with me not.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Just at four forty five, but obviously for since he
three sixty on Monday, and then yes we continue three
forty five, four forty five and five forty five on
on on Monday afternoon, Tony and I did not talk
about Evan McPherson. Evan gets his contract extension. This was
this was easy. The kicker market has changed a little bit.

(31:31):
Evan's gonna make in with with the new money in
twenty twenty five, I guess gonna be the highest paid
kicker in NFL history, if I'm reading this correctly. I
don't know that any of us really care about that.
He He's a core piece. He's a core piece to
what the Bengals have done since twenty twenty one. Proved
to be a terrific draft choice and one of the

(31:53):
very easy decisions the Bengals have made in so far
this offseason.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
The next, this one is Jamar Chase. Now, the difference.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Obviously between Evan McPherson and Jamar Chase, as Jamar Chase
has two years left on his deal. Evian McPherson had
just one, but like from a contract perspective, this.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Is the one. And something that Tony and I are.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Going to talk about coming up in just about forty
five fifty minutes is Joe Burrow's part in all this.
Joe has said, and my guess is we'll continue to
say all the right things about Jamar, about his contract,
about where he is with the Bengals, about the deal,

(32:38):
about the uncertainty not being a big deal as they
get ready for the season.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Joe's going to say all the right things publicly.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I wonder if you pressed him privately and said to him, Joe,
do you just kind of want this over and want
this to get done?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
I don't even wonder.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Very strong assumption would be that Joe would say, almost instantly, Yes,
get it done, erase this, get it off the plate.
Let's let's move on. We have other things we need
to accomplish. We have other things that are more pressing.
We got some stuff to figure out between now and
the start of the season. Let's go ahead and get

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the Jamar Chase thing done. Tony and I are going
to spend more time on that coming up at four
but front and center tomorrow is a question that was
burning back in February. It was burning back in March,
it's burning for most of April. It's burning right now.

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Who's going to be the starting right tackle for this
football team? And do they have the sort of offensive
line depth that they're going to need in a year
that's ultimately going to be judged by how close do
they come.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
To winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
More on that coming up in the four o'clock hour.
I'm gonna double down on something I said earlier this
week because I don't know what the downside is, and
I'm gonna borrow from a colleague of mine and ask
a question that he always asks when it comes to
the Jamar Chase thing.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
We'll do that coming up in the four o'clock hour
as well.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
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Speaker 2 (34:32):
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Speaker 3 (34:57):
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play the ch in the regular season, but after three
straight late season meetings, the latest installment of one of
the NFL's best rivalries will take place in September. The
Bengals head to Kansas City to play the defending Super
Bowl champions in Week two, looking to avenge last season's
New Year's E've lost to the Chiefs in a game
that may be played early in the season but is

(35:19):
still likely to have major playoff implications. It's Burrough versus
Mahomes yet again in one of the most anticipated games
of the season. The Bengals and Chiefs Sunday, September fifteenth,
at four to twenty.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Five, No Hands More on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official
home of the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
This report is on you.

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It'll be a battle of jaws and clubs.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
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Speaker 5 (35:53):
Fight with a Bayers. It's a preseason matchup that'll have
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Speaker 2 (36:21):
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Speaker 3 (36:24):
We are starting the weekend at the best possible.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Place you can start your weekend.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Holy round Downtown. We'll post about Reds and Royals yacht
Rock night two. People are actually happy that I'm near it,
which is awesome. And we're here till six the games
at six forty. If you're coming downtown, if you're coming
to the ballpark tonight, well.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
This is the place to be.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
And when you get done, after you listen to a
yacht rock after the game, hopefully a Reds win, come
here and have a nightcap after and you'll be good
to go. We are getting closer to the start of
the Bengals season. No better place to be before and
after Bengals games than here at the Holy Grould. It's
gonna be a big week down. You got a red
homestand winding down this weekend. The Bengals are home next

(37:06):
Thursday for an eight o'clock game against Indianapolis. Meanwhile, the
Green Day and Smashing Pumpkin is going to be right
across the street from where we are, so Thursday is.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Going to be rocking.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Come on down here if you're coming here for any
of that stuff. Phone calls coming up in just second.
Five point three seven, four nine, fifteen thirty is our
phone number two. Things number one, I think the Bengals
team news of the day. Evan McPherson gets a contract
extension three years, sixteen and a half million dollars, keeps
him in a Cincinnati uniform through the twenty twenty seven season.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
That is good.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Bengals have sent out a press release and they sent
out a video on x maybe twenty minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
So I'm I'm.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
A little bit of a uniform nerd. I'm a little
bit of an apparel nerd. I've always thought myself as one.
At least now there are folks who just obsess over
this to a detailed to a degree that I cannot,
and that's okay.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
But I've I've long one.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Of the Bengals to lean into orange because Bengals Tigers
are orange. I've long, like every team has black in
their color scheme, I've i've for years one of them.
I thought the coolest thing they ever did in the
early to mid two thousands was they introduced an orange jersey,
which they didn't have for the first whatever it was,
thirty five years of their of their existence. And I like,

(38:29):
I like that look. I like anything that is orange
that's Bengals related. Uh, they are going to open the season.
They're calling it Open an Orange against the Patriots September
the eighth. They're going tops and bottoms all orange. And
now I'll admit to you that I'm I've always been
a little bit skeptical of the idea of, like, let's

(38:49):
all go one color if it's not white. But uh,
these uniforms look slick, and so they want to orange
out the stadium on the eighth against the Patriots, and
by the way I like when and they've done like
the stripe, the jungle stuff or wide out like fans
have typically cooperated. So it's gonna be a sea of
orange at the venue formerly known as Paul Brown Stadium

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on the eighth. Bengals are gonna be top to bottom
all orange, says Elizabeth Blackburn. Orange is the color of energy, confidence,
and optimism, three key traits that we want starting our season.
Pairing our new orange pants with our orange jerseys and
orange helmets will create a vibrant look that is instantly recognizable,

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especially when our fans join in to create an orange out.
So if you want to know more about opening an Orange,
you go to Bengals dot com slash open in Orange now.
If this doesn't matter to you, that's fine. There are
certainly those among us that this matters a lot too.
And if you're a fan of the orange, look, that's
what they're doing on the eighth. And if you hate

(39:55):
the orange, is anybody not gonna go to the game
because they're wearing orange?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Now?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
May I'm not gonna watch a game. We're an orange now,
So open an orange pants jerseys and how are the
people in Cleveland gonna be okay with this, are like,
this is cool. Where the folks in Cleveland who are
all mad that they're now not the only team in
Ohio with orange pants? Are is this going to create
an incident? We'll be all right with this. We have

(40:21):
to call Cleveland and see if the folks up there
talking themselves off the ledge because Bengals are really embracing orange.
I don't know, but the game against the Patriots will
be an orange out, now, you know what? Do we
have this hour Brendan and Jones on Baseball coming up
and we'll chat again with Tony Pike Live Training camp
report as we get closer to preseason game number two tomorrow,

(40:44):
and we're gonna give away Green Day tickets at four
thirty three.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
We're not gonna.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Gumb this up because the last time we were on location,
we played a game with folks callers and we tried
to do what we do when we're in studio and
it didn't work. So we're going to simplify it and
basically try to give away the tickets and if we can't,
we'll just hold on to them to next week and
try to give them away again. So if you want
to go see Green day and smashing pumpkins. Next Thursday,

(41:11):
four thirty three, You'll have your chance, and I'll.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Let you pick. I'll let you pick.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
We'll give you a chance to tap into your knowledge
of the explore of the shared history of the Bengals
and Bears, or your knowledge of the shared history of
the Reds and Royals. Not coming up in less than
twenty five minutes. Now, we'll take some phone calls. Lonnie,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty Lonni.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Good afternoon. No, how you doing, man, I'm great. How
about yourself, Man, I'm fantastic.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
You know.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
I'm calling to tell you that you're right. You're exactly
right about the Cardinals. The Reds are better than the Cardinals.
And I'm from said I said, I mean, I'd rather
have the Red lineup, and I'd rather have the Red
pitching staff than what the Cardinals are trotting out there
on a nightly basis.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, And look, man, I respect the hell out of
an organization right like they deserve it. They've been for
my entire life relevant good. They never bottom out and
dragged their teams through these ninety plus loss seasons, and
some of this is like the game they played on Wednesday,
was just booting the ball all over the joint. But

(42:22):
like you look at their their pitching staff. They they
got four dudes thirty four or older. They've got the
corner positions. Paul Goldschmi's had an awesome career. He looks
like he's a thousand years old and he's what thirty
six thirty seven. Nolan Aernato has spent much of the
season looking like a shell of himself.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
And then they have a.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Team that it just they look like just like a
bunch of dudes. Just another guy right now. I'm not
here to tell you that the Reds are exponentially better,
but we in Cincinnati, we've done this for years. We're
constantly looking at the Cardinals, looking at the Reds, and
that's what we want the Reds to be. And for
years you've looked at Saint Louis and thought, boy, the
Reds aren't close.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I'm not sure it's close right now. I think I'd
rather be.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I know, I'd rather be where the Reds are right
now than where the Cardinals are right now. And that's
not merely a reflection of where they are on the standings,
which is essentially tied.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I'm looking at the rosters.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I'm also looking at at least the short term upside
of some of the youth at the big league level,
versus the questions the Cardinals are going to have about
how they replace a lot of these old guys who
look like they're old right now, right.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
I told my friends last year at the trade deadline
that I would have traded or not and Goldschmid at
the trade deadline and got something for him, because you're
not gonna win with And you know, if my friends
pulled me Mo, they padded me on the head and
they said, oh, Doddie, you can't do that.

Speaker 8 (43:45):
You can't trade our two best players that the responsible.

Speaker 7 (43:47):
But now you're right, they're sheldonselves and it's gonna be
a long time before the Cardinals are relevant against So
congratulations to the result.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Art mc can at least walk right like he's done it.
Nolan Aeronauto's like three or four more years.

Speaker 8 (44:02):
Yeah, they have at least three more years and knowing wow, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I just I've I thought that often watching the and
like it's you don't want to fall in the trap
of overreacting to a three game series, but like from
a Reds perspective. As frustrating as this team has been
at times this year, as frustrating as it is rooting
for this organization. I look at the two clubs right now,
and I feel like, God, you know, Hunter Green, Nicolodolo,

(44:28):
et cetera on the mound versus what the Cardinals are
rolling out there and some of the older dead weight
and then some of the guys who just looked like
roster filler in Saint Louis versus some of the upside here.
For the first time in a very long time, I
feel better about the Reds.

Speaker 8 (44:44):
Oh, I think you're right.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
Well, well, i'll see in three weeks of the Holy
Grail before the game, you know, I'll be there, Lonnie.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
We can't wait to see where before you got that?
There you go, Lonnie.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I mean, it's the game on Wednesday, if you watch it.
I think it was in the fifth or sixth any
with the Cardinals. They were charged with two errors. They
really could have been charged with five, just booting the
ball all over the place and and look, man like,
there's there's the Cardinal Way, and there's you know, just
decades of cranking out good big league players and at
times high end big league players. You know, first of all,

(45:15):
if you look at some of the guys that franchise
has has given up on prematurely, and you look at again,
like they got four dudes in their starting staff right now.
Lance Lin's been on the injured list. You have four
guys on their starting staff right now who are thirty
four and older. And you know, Sonny Gray's been all
right this year, those other guys not so much. You

(45:38):
look at their their everyday players. Is there anybody you
really are dying to have right now? Yea, like Mason
Wins twenty two years old. I think that guy has
some upside. Would you rather have him or well? Ellie
de la Cruz, Wilson Contreras is having a very very.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Good season too.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I feel like, for the first time in a very
long time, a very long time. And I bring this
up because they were just here, but I also bring
this up because we do this, we compare the two franchises,
I feel like, for the first time in a while,
I feel better about what's coming for the Reds than
I would if I was a Cardinals fan looking at

(46:21):
what's coming from the Cardinals. Now, they'll make me look
stupid and be really good next year, and the Reds
will win seventy four games. But part of it is
watching what I watched unfold a GABP this week. Part
of his is just looking at like I've said this
often when the Reds have been bad this year and
now that they're playing okay, if you took the twenty

(46:46):
teams that right now make up MLB's middle, which includes
the Reds and includes the Cardinals, how many of those
teams general managers would love to start They're planning for
next year, knowing they've got Hunter Green and Nicolodola, and
then you know, we could extend it to Andrew Havebit.

(47:06):
You could extend it to Carson Spiders if you want.
You could still include Graham Ashcraft. You could talk RT
Louder like you. You could be deeply frustrated, deeply distrustful
of everything the Reds are doing. That is a great
place to start. John Moseleak, he's not the GM anymore.
I think he's like he's got Nick Crawl's title there
in Saint Louis. If you said to him, you're planning

(47:30):
for next year and the second half of the decade
and just from a pitching perspective, you could have what
you have both at the big league level and in
the minor league system, or you could have what they
have in Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Publicly, he's not going to say this.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Privately, I think I think he would tell you, I'd
rather have what they have in Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Again, you, you, you are being very fair.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
If if you're distrustful of the Red's ability to take
advantage of what they have, that is a great place
to start, a great place to start.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
It's also something you can't waste.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
But man, in the last thirty five forty years the
history of this franchise, how many times as you have,
even during one season, started to look ahead to the next.
Could you say that the Reds have had what they
have right now? If you look just at their starting pitching.
I'm not even referencing guys like Elie de la Cruz.
It is a good place to be. And that's not

(48:26):
to say that all those guys are going to be stars.
That's not to say that all those guys are finished products.
Graham Ashcraft clearly is not. I'm not sure Andrew Abbott is.
I don't think Nick Lidolo is. But there's a lot
to like there, And so yeah, man, I have spent
a huge chunk of the season getting, you know, sort
of caught up in the muck of watching the Reds

(48:46):
lose one run games and seeing them at certain points
of the season sit there by themselves in last place,
and it's frustrating. But around the trade deadline they started
to at least shift the focus a little bit to
twenty twenty five. And that doesn't mean they can't still
make something out of twenty twenty four. What's keeping them

(49:06):
alive in twenty twenty four, which is the starting pitching
is is why?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Is why? I think there's at.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Least eight there's reason for a baseline level of optimism
because of that just basic foundation the Reds have, which
is that starting pitching, And whether it's and I you know,
I know the Pirates have Paul Skins and a lot
of really good young players. But whether it's the Cubs
or the Giants or the Mets, the Cardinals, of all

(49:34):
those teams in the middle, just in the National League,
how many of them have that collection of young, controllable
starters that the Reds have that still have a lot
of upside. I think the answer is none. It's certainly
not most. It's a good place to be. I know

(49:55):
there's folks who don't want to hear that, because you know,
it's it's unfashionable to be optimistic about anything. But I'm
still I'm still I'm still optimistic about at least what
the Reds are building from.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
They're not starting from scratch. There's a lot to like.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
There'd rayther to be a Reds fan right now projecting
the twenty twenty five or a Cardinals fan where you've
you've spent the season watching lance Lynn, Kyle, Kyle Gibson, Miles,
Michael List. I like Sonny Gray. I know the Reds
tried to sign Sonny Gray. I'm I'm happy the Reds
don't have Sonny Gray. I had no major interest in

(50:32):
in him for two years beyond twenty twenty four. When
you're gonna owe Sonny Gray over the next two seasons,
is due to make sixty million dollars? Does that sound
like a good investment? Oh, give me what the Reds have.
I'm late nineteen after four five point three seven four
nine fifteen thirty is our phone number. Good stuff from
Lonnie Tony Pike coming up in just about twenty five

(50:54):
minutes and Brendenman and Jones on baseball as well. We're
here at the Holy Grail downtown Cincinnati on ESPN fIF
teen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Is that for four? This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moor.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
We're broadcasting at the Holy Grail downtown Cincinnati, here for
Reds and Royal. By the way, weather looks really nice.
I am not a meteorologist. I don't have one of
those ams Meteorological Society seals of approval.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
But the sun is out. This morning was brutal and
now it's not.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
So come on down, hangout, suns out, Reds and Royals.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yacht Rock night tonight at GABP.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
By the way, I got an email Tarn Richard is
mad because we had a chance to have Hulk Hogan
on today and we said no.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Yeah. I got a nasty tweet about it.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Did you what did the tweet say?

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Well, tweets, you just said most don't listen to me.
We should have Holy No.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
So this person was nastier.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
This person believes that we're not having hul Cogan on
because of his politics. I don't know what hul Cogan's
politics are.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Well, I know he was at the Trump rally. He
even brought Trump.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
He was at the convention. I didn't know that, Yeah,
yeah I did, I had.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
I don't care about political views.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I've never cared.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Less about any human beings political views in my life.
I couldn't care less, Like eh, I just don't feel
like Hull Cogan in twenty twenty four appeals like we
had Hull Cogan on our show in twenty fourteen. It
if I ever like do a list of like cool
stuff we've done in the show, top five interview I've
ever had a chance to do, it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I did it because.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I felt, like you know, at that time, it was
about wrestling, like he was he was appearing in Cincinnati
because he was going to be on the card at
the arena, right, and so the interview was about his
wrestling career. The interview was about I asked him about
his feud with Earthquake, which I went and saw when
I was twelve years old. That was a wrestling interview,

(52:57):
and like you know, it's that's an icon one of
the eighties, and that's when like I grew up. It's
when a lot of folks in our audience grew up
having Hulk Cogan on today. The pitch, the release we got.
They wanted us to have him on to talk about
his beer.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah. All wrestling fans when they think about wrestling and beer,
they think of one person, Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Right now, I would have him on to talk about.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Beer easily by far. His beer is delicious. I had it.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Well, so, first of all, Hull Cogan's beer, I'm not
led to a real American beer.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
It might be great, But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Okay, we have beers that advertise on this radio station.
They pay right, they pay us money, and we helped them.
There are customers, there are our clients. So we're gonna
give hull Cogan's beer free advertising by having him on. No,
it's just I don't know that there's new ground to
cover with Hull cogin. It was an interview about beer.

(53:49):
I up until eleven thirty this morning, I had no idea.
I didn't know that hul Cogan had a political side.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I do not care.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Completely irrelevant to me. Now, had they said you want
to have hul Cogan ought to talk about politics, if
we get anything that says, do you want to have it.
They could say, do you want to have on Boomeris
siasin to talk about politics. I'll say no, this is
a very much a political politics for his own I
just don't know that in twenty twenty four, like I've
interviewed hal Cogan.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
It was cool, it was neat.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I guess there's such a shortage of Hull Cogan content
that if you want to and like, by the way,
there's probably some stuff I would like. I would want
to know about the tape that he was in that
he sued Gawker and basically put that company out of business.
But then he's going to get mad at me, and
then we have an interview where Hulk Cogan's getting mad.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
At me, and that's not good for anybody. I don't
need that in my life.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
So my apologies to the hulkamaniacs out there for us
saying no to an interview with Hull Cochin.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
We know what find what Hogan? Because Hoe is going
to be in Ohio doing a signing courtin email right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
So according to the email, he is going to be
touring the state selling his beer.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Well, comine go see him, person need Yeah, our.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Guy, our guy Rodney here is not even coming Andy
where close to Cincinnati, Rodney here. He's going to Oxford.
The closest place he is going to be is an Oxford. Now,
nothing against the good folks in Oxford. Awesome town. I'll
be up there in about a month for the Battle
for the Victory Bell. Miami University is a beautiful school,
awesome university, gorgeous campus. I love Oxford. But if the

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only place he is gonna come is Oxford, I'm gonna
have Hull Cogan on our show to talk about ow
he's gonna go up to Cleveland and sell his beer.
I'm not doing that, So I am. I am comfortable
with the fact. Actually got two emails.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
One was during the show and this guy said he was.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Hopeful to turn it on and hear that we changed
our mind and put Hull Cogan on the air.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I don't know, man, I'm comfortable with saying no to
that one.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Me too, fan.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
And look, by the way, we just did five segments
of five minutes on a whole Cogan and I mentioned
the name of his beer invoice, Hulk Hogan for advertising
is likely crappy beer. All right, But here's what we're
gonna do now, though, we need someone to try to
win Green Day tickets. Green Day and Smashing Pumpkins coming
to GABP on Thursday. If next week loaded weekend downtown

(56:16):
because the Bengals played that night, it's gonna be a
lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
If you don't have tickets, you can win them. We
need one contestant at five point three seven four nine,
fifteen thirty, and uh.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
We will give you.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
We'll give you a choice Bengals Bears shared History or
Red's Royals Shared History.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
And we're not gonna do it today the way we
typically do it.

Speaker 9 (56:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
We're only gonna take one.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Contestant, and if our contestant doesn't win, we'll try again
at five thirty three.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
How does that sound?

Speaker 4 (56:46):
That's my job easy.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I told I'm all.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
About tarn making your job easier. Five point three seven
four nine, fifteen thirty. If you want to go see
Green Day and Smashing Pumpkins. Uh, we're looking for one contestant.
We'll do sports said lines coming up with the Holy
Gen downtown Cincinnati on a show that does not have
hul Cogan on it. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
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Speaker 3 (57:10):
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Speaker 2 (57:18):
Bengals play the Bears tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Evan McPherson gets a contract extension through the twenty twenty
seven season. Tomorrow's kickoff at one, game live on ESPN
fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Pre game coverage starts at nine oh five.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Bengals will wear orange jerseys and orange pants in the
first game of the season. I don't know what they're
wearing tomorrow, but they're gonna wear all orange in the
first game that counts against the Patriots. Meanwhile, Reds, it's Friday,
so its city connector weren't all black, Reds and Royals
Tonight first of three Red's looking for a fifth consecutive victory.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Former Red Michael.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Lorenzen starts for KC and Nick Martinez throws for Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Red starting lineup Lee.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
We hope it's made well thanks to Madewell Restoration, India,
De la Cruz, Stevenson, Friedel Steer, Candelaria's Dhing France or
as I wrote my piece of paper here, Fence, Will
Benson's and Wright Noelvee Marte is playing third base Florence
on the road against Evansville at the Cincinnati Open. Rain has,
as they say, reek havoc with the schedule. I can

(58:16):
tell you that Carlos Alcarez gone out loses to Gail Monfils,
And I think I saw that my guy, did I
see the see the Cincinnati Open website as as awesome
as it is.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Ben Shelton, My guy, Ben Shelton.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Did beat did beat his second round opponent, a guy
whose last name I'm not going to try.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
To pronounce, all right, Tony Pike.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
In just a few minutes we have with this, we're
giving away the Green Day tickets Green Day and Smashing
Pumpkins along with Rancid and the Linda. Linda is playing
at gabp right across from we are next Thursday. You
can buy tickets at MLB dot com or you can
win them right here. Who do we have with this?

(58:59):
Arrean Brian, Brian, Brian, You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. How's
it going, man?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I am awesome.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Do you want to go see Green Day and the
Smashing Pumpkins next Thursday?

Speaker 9 (59:12):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Yeah, all right, We're gonna give you a chance. I'm
gonna ask you five questions. You have to get three
of them correct.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Would you what is everything okay? Behind you? Is everything right?
Is there an incident? Okay? I thought for a second
there was a fight happening.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Do you want to answer some questions related to the
shared history between the Bengals and Bears or some questions
related to the shared history between the Reds and Royals?

Speaker 9 (59:39):
Bengals Bears, Bengals.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Bears, very timely because you know they play a game tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Here we go. Are you ready?

Speaker 9 (59:45):
Indeed?

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Yes, there, you must get three out of five correct,
Aran Are you ready?

Speaker 4 (59:50):
I'm ready?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Okay, here we.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Go, all right. Question number one.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
The last time the Bengals beat the Bears in the
regular season fifteen years ago, two thousand and nine, A
forty five I have ten home win for Cincinnati. This
former Bears running back in that game had one hundred
and eighty nine yards rushing for the Bengals. Was it
a Cedric Benson, b Bernard Scott or C. Matt Forte.

Speaker 9 (01:00:16):
Benson?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Very good?

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
There you go, Thank you, thank you. I think these
are easy. I'll be honest with you. I did these
this morning. I think these are on the easier side
of the spectrum.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Right, you're one for one. You got to get two more.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
This quarterback threw ninety three touchdowns while playing for the
Cincinnati Bengals and one while playing with the Chicago Bears.
Or in English, one while playing for the Chicago Bears,
said a Jeff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Blake, b Andy Dalton or c Virgil Carter.

Speaker 9 (01:00:47):
That's Andy Dalton?

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Easy, can I get an Andy Dalton? Terran? No Jeff Blake.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
No, Jeff Blake threw ninety three touchdowns as a Bengal
and one as a member of the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
All Right, you gotta get two of the next three
for the Bear.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
That's all right. That's very briefly, two thousand and fives.
All right, he did, yeah, yeah, and he but he
threw more than one touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
One of the most famous teams in the history of
the NFL is, of course, the nineteen eighty five Chicago Bears.
The eighty five Bears did not play the Bengals, but
the eighty six Bears did and beat the Bengals badly,
forty four to seven in a game in September of
nineteen eighty six. This player scored the only Cincinnati touchdown.

(01:01:33):
Was it a James Brooks, b Tim McGee or c
Eddie Brown.

Speaker 9 (01:01:41):
I'm gonna say, game brook.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Can I get a James Brooks? Yes, James Brooks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Very good? Forty four to seven. That was a fun
day at Riverfront Stadium?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
All right, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
You gotta get one of the last two, and then
you're gonna go see Green Day. And you all said
you're ready to get it excited, nervous.

Speaker 9 (01:01:57):
I am, yeah, I am, indeed me too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
This former Cincinnati Bengals player coached the Chicago Bears. Was
the head coach of the Chicago Bears from nineteen ninety
nine through two thousand and three. Was it a Dick
Darn b Mark Tressman or c Chip Myers?

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Was it Dick darn tarrn wo? Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Dick Tarn played for the Bengals from seventy eight to
eighty and coached the Bears from ninety nine through two
thousand and three.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Pretty good, pretty good, not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I said they were easy, you're gonna go see You're
gonna go see Green Day and Smashing Pumpkins and two
bands I've never heard of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Next Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Congratulations, stay on hold, Tarren will get your information.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Tarren, do you want to answer the fifth one?

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Sure? Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Anthony Munoz went into the Hall of Fame, as you know,
in nineteen ninety eight. He spent his entire career with
the Bengals. Now, he did play a preseason game with
the Bocks, but that doesn't count. Spend his entire career
with the Bengals. He went in in the same Hall
of Fame class with this player who his entire career
with the Chicago Bears, A Mike Singletary, B Walter Payton

(01:03:05):
or C.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Dick Buckis.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Let's go coach Singletary, Mike Singletary, Yes, same hall of Fame.
That's a good Hall of Fame class right there, as
it was. I have no idea who else went in,
but Anthony Munoz and Mike Singletary in your Hall of
Fame class is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Uh, well, we'll do more at five point thirty three,
we'll do some some reds Royal stuff. Also easy questions,
at least I think they are. But first, Tony Pike
joins US Live training Camp Report next ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports station.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
Is a training camp. Report Brook to you boys. Hollywood Casino, Lawrenceburg,
ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Yes, Tony, let's talk about two wide receivers, one of
whom isn't practicing, the other of whom has.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Jermaine Burton's week was really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
His game last week was really interesting because it was
obvious he was buried on the depth chart, and not
just behind andre Yoshabash and guys like that, but behind
Kwame Lassiter and Kendrick Pryor right. And yet when Jermaine
gets in, he's just physically dominating dudes who are probably
not going to be NFL players. It's rare that in

(01:04:16):
a rookies first NFL action he's good. And yet how
good he was gets overshadowed by when he got in
the game and what the starting quarterback said about him
after the game, when he said, look, he's got to
get his head in the playbook. Can Jermaine Burton in
a very short amount of time gain a quarterbacks trust?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
I think it's going to be hard.

Speaker 9 (01:04:35):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:35):
Joe Burrow as of the last practice here Tuesday, was
still having to get these guys lined up in the
right spots, still having conversations about you know, when to
a judt like. There are so many intricacies at wide
receiver in the NFL. Of maybe you have to adjust
your split by a yard, just a yard. Maybe you've
got to make sure you have a mandatory inside release
instead of outside because it changes the whole trajectory of

(01:04:57):
the play. Maybe you have to adjust your splits based
on what the defense is doing. Maybe you have to
adjust your route based on a blitz. There are there
are more things a wide receiver than just line up
and run. And what you saw the Bengals asked your
main Burton to do at the end of preseason game
number one was that line up and run. You don't
have to read anything, just go play fast and do

(01:05:17):
a point. There's an excitement to that because you see, Okay,
when he's confident and he plays fast, this is what
he can be. The problem is for Joe Burrow after
a game to say a lot of positive things, but
needs to get a seat in the playbook. That's a
quarterback's way of saying, you need to wake up, you
need you need to start studying more. That's as nice
a way as you can put it from a quarterback standpoint,

(01:05:39):
I think that, along with when he got in the game,
showed where he's at right now from a development standpoint,
and I just don't know if there's enough time between
now and the start of the regular season to build
any more of that trust.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
The Jamar Chase thing has been the biggest story of
training camp so far. Maybe not on a day to
day basis of injuries were a bigger deal yesterday, but
as a general rule, the biggest theme of camp has
been Jamar Chase's absence.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
If you're Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Burrow, understanding what ownership has said about Jamar Chase, understanding
his importance to the team, understanding they didn't sign T
Higgins long term because they want to pay Jamar Chase,
and also understanding the goal of this season is to
win the Super Bowl and get rid of stuff that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
May get in the way.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Are you going to ownership today, tomorrow, at some point,
Sunday or whenever, banging your fist on the table and going, look, man,
let's just get this done.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
I'd be shocked if he hasn't done it already. Based
on what we saw Monday and Tuesday, based on what
we heard about yesterday. I would be shocked if a
conversation is not being had at some point of what
are we doing? If if we're trying to get to
where we're going, Number one needs to be out there.
I you know, we didn't have a ton of people

(01:06:52):
in Chicago yesterday. Jeremy Row was in in Chicago and
he posted yesterday he said for the first time that
like a day where the Bengals and Joe Burrow desperately
missed Jamar Chase and it just happened to be in
a joint practice really for the first time that you're
going up against another team's best and the Bengals, by
all accounts, struggled immensely. So if that's the case, and

(01:07:16):
now it's becoming more and more clear, I think that
based on yesterday and early in the week, I think
the offense has had three really bad days in a
row from a practice standpoint. If that's the case and
you're not getting it from the young guys, how can
you not storm in there and say I need Number
one out there. He's one of the top three best
wide receivers in all of the game of football, and

(01:07:37):
we can't achieve what we need to achieve if he's
not playing for us, we need to get it done.
Need to get it done sooner rather than later, so
he can get himself ready to go for game number one.
And this doesn't become something where you have to bring
him along any slower than what it needs to be.
Jamar Chase, I get you could have been on the
other side, you could be on the Bengals side. Well,
he's got two more he's got a live up to

(01:07:58):
his contract. Whatever you think about that. If this team
wants to fulfill its ultimate goal, they've got to do
it with Jamar Chase out there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Yeah, no question about it. Tony, Thank you so much.
More from Tony Pike. Coming up at five forty five.
Bengals Bears tomorrow kick off at one Pregame coverage on
ESPN fifteen thirty is at nine oh five. We're moments
away from Brennanman and Jones on Baseball. I was asked
during our most recent break, we've got a trio of kids.
I think these kids bicycle down here by themselves from Beverly, Ohio.

(01:08:26):
Can we go on the radio and yell go Reds
and let's be honest. The answer is yes, because that's
going to be more entertaining than anything I've come up
with today. So we have with this from this is
near Marietta. If if I'm not mistaken, right, yeah, you
have no idea. We have skyl Lily, Lily and Emmy.
Right all right, so we don't have a lot. Here's

(01:08:46):
the microphone. Go ahead, you ready, guy, give me a
big go Reds?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, yell it out loud.

Speaker 10 (01:08:55):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
That's pretty good, not bad. This is the gateway to
a career in broadcast. Is that what you're looking for?
Sweet Jesus, I hope the answer is no, do something
worthwhile with your life?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Okay? What what?

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
What grade?

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
You guys in six You're in the sixth grade? Really,
how about yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Third? The first grade? Has school started yet?

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Here? They start school after fourth of July. It's it's ridiculous. Well,
enjoy the rest of your summer. Enjoy the game tonight
and have a great time. It's your first game, your
first ever Reds game. When you go in, they give
you a certificate it's and hang it on your wall.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Very good? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
We are here.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Until six o'clock. Reds and Royals coming up first pitch
in just about ninety minutes. Red's looking for a fifth
consecutive victory. You heard the top of hour update the
Deontae Smith and Chris Evans injuries mentioned by ESPN, which
we're gonna get to here in just a bit. The
news of the day as it relates to the team's performance,

(01:11:13):
at least long term. Evan McPherson gets his contract extension.
This always felt like one of those things that was
going to get done.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Before the season started.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Bengals MO say what you want about their approach with
Jamar Chase has long been you got a year left
on your deal. We view you as one of the
core foundational pieces. We get to that deal done before
you go into your last year. Evan McPherson they view
as one of the foundational pieces. A terrific draft pick,
one of the most clutch kickers in Bengals history, arguably

(01:11:43):
the most clutch kicker in Bengals history, with a nineteen
for nineteen mark on field goals in the postseason, a
draft choice in twenty twenty one. That, let's be honest,
that draft class Jamar Chase has been awesome. Evan McPherson
has been really really good. The rest of that class
not so good. Evian McPherson gets a three year contract
extension sixteen point five million dollars, keeps him in the

(01:12:03):
fall through twenty twenty seven. That is a really really
good thing off the field. The Bengals are gonna wear
all orange on opening Day. If this bothers you, sorry,
As my guy Rodney said, Tigers are orange.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
The game tomorrow. It is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
It is interesting if you think back to January and February,
we talked about all right like questions for the off season.
What's gonna happen with Johanah Williams likely to go he
goes off to Arizona. So who's gonna be the starting
right tackle? The question one of the signature questions of
the off season.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
And then we get an.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Answer, Well, they go out there and they get Trent Brown. Okay,
it's gonna be Trent Brown, but actually no, it could
be a Marius Mims because they draft him and they
draft him with the idea that he's gonna have a
legitimate chance to compete, and then training camp starts and
he does more than compete, he seemingly has the inside
track on the job, especially because well, Trent Brown didn't

(01:13:03):
do anything at the start of training camp and wasn't
there for offseason workouts. And it's remarkable in a week.
In less than a week, we've gone from thinking, you
know what, Marius Mems is the story of camp, could
be the starting right tackle, and if Trent Brown has
to play, that's not a bad option. Let's find out
more about the overall offensive line depth. We've gone from

(01:13:26):
that to wondering, when's Marius Mims gonna play?

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
They have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
How much is this injury going to hamper his development?
How much is he going to be hurt just in
his rookie season by not having all of these reps
and preseason game reps and practice reps that he's gonna miss.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Lots of unknowns there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Trent Brown came out of yesterday's practice with tightness in
his back. This may prove to be not that big
of a deal at all. You certainly have to allow
for that, but you know, a week ago, we were
talking about Trent Brown needing to use the preseason and
basically the month between then and the start of the
season to get himself in football shape. Well, can he

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really do that if he's got a back issue and
is the back issue going to keep him out for
a period of time that perhaps jeopardizes his ability to
start the season on time? Fair question. Don't have the answer.
How much was Deontay Smith going to factor into the equation?
Was he gonna make the team? Well, the answer right

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now seems to be no, because he's hurt. He's got
a significant injury, and so cross Deontay Smith off the list.
And then, with chances running out and time running short
for Jackson Carmen to show that he belongs, earn a
roster spot, and earn some degree of trust that you
could put him in the game if need be. He

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goes out there last week against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
and honestly look like he might have been throwing the game.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
I don't think he was throwing the game, but he
was that bad. He was awful.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
One of the worst offensive line performances in a short
amount of time I have ever seen so here we are.
The preseason ends here within the next week. They play tomorrow,
they play Thursday, and then there's this huge chunk of
time between the end of the preseason and the start
of the regular season. I have no idea, really who
the starting right tackle is gonna be Week one, have

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no idea really who the starting right tackle is gonna
be weak two. Now, this may be a moot point
if a Marius Mims recovers quickly and can play right now,
it feels like the smart money is on that not happening.
This could be a moot point. If Trent Brown is
okay and can come back and play. Maybe it's a
moot point if the Bengals go find somebody on the
open market or make a trade and that person slides

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in and right tackle and plays well. But it is
interesting here we are in the middle of August, on
the eve of the second preseason game, and maybe the
biggest question about the team itself is the same question
we thought had been answered, perhaps in March, at least
on Draft night, and maybe as recently as a week ago.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Even before all.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Of this, one of the central storylines I thought, at
least to the preseason was offensive line depth. The Bengals
offensive line depth was not tested last year because everybody
stayed healthy, and god knows, we hope that's the case
this season. In Game one, remove Jackson Carmen from the equation.
The offensive line wasn't exactly dominant, but they played like

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a bunch of okay backups. They ran the ball very poorly,
but they played like a bunch of okay backups.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
And then there was Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Carman, who you could use your own descriptor to outline
how you think he played.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Tomorrow. The starters aren't gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
There's a sharper focus now on who's gonna start at
right tackle, and maybe now even a sharper focus on
the offensive line depth, given the fact that it is
being severely tested, specifically at one position. That is the
main story, at least for me, tomorrow offensive line deck.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
There are others.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
One of the more interesting camp battles that is unfolded
here has been the one between DJ Turner and Dax Hill.
Both have shown flashes, both have I think really good
athletic profiles.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Dax Hill, I think had.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
At a pretty decent showing against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Can either one of those two players tomorrow create some
distance between themselves and the other. And do we go
into the third preseason game feeling like one guy has
an advantage or is it neck and neck going into
that game on Thursday against Indianapolis. And then there's the

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the Jermaine Burton thing. I'm not sure anybody's had a
more interesting week than Jermaine Burton, who on Saturday he
plays great. He plays great against a bunch of guys
frankly he should play great against because he's got NFL athleticism,
NFL speed, played at the highest level in college. But

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what stood out, maybe as much as his production, was
when he got into the game, how far down the
depth chart he is. Even guys like Kwame Lassiter and
Kendrick Pryor out ranking him on the depth chart. Right.
So then after the game, Joe Burrow says, well, he's
got to get his head into playbook. Jermaine Burton's NFL
debut statistically and from the same point of what he

(01:18:31):
put on tape was incredibly good, a smashing success. And
yet it feels like it got washed away by all
the conversations about why it took him so long to
get in the game and how much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Maybe the quarterback doesn't trust him.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
So between now and the start of the season, which
is three weeks from Sunday. Between now and the start
of the season, can Jermaine Burton do anything to establish
enough trust with the starting quarterback that he can actually
be a factor on offense. Maybe we see some signs
pointing toward yes tomorrow. Perhaps we see some signings some

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things that point us toward believing the answer is no.
By the way, I don't know if Chris Evans was
gonna make the team, but if you went in a
training camp thinking, you know what, the Bengals could still
find a veteran at running back. It feels like they're
comfortable going to starting the season with three guys. But
the depth at that position has been tested a little

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bit without Chris Evans, now that he is dealing with
a major injury. So lots of moving parts. All the
while the Jamar Chase thing hovers over everything. No movement today,
Jamar Chase. Bengals did not practice, so he was at
the workout yesterday. He has been in Chicago. No practice today.
It goes without saying he hasn't practiced. He ain't gonna

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play in a game that doesn't count tomorrow. So meanwhile,
we've got the Reds and Royals tonight, Cincinnati coming off
a three game series sweep of a bed Cardinals team,
and you know, here we.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Are the middle of August.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Whether you want to credit this team for that for this,
whether you want to blame the front off, however, your
viewpoint of what the Reds have done so far this
season is they do have a chance tonight to get
to five hundred for the first time since May the third.
And while that in itself isn't that much of an accomplishment,
they've at least put themselves in a position where you

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at least have to acknowledge that they've got a shot.
It's not a great shot. I don't know beyond that
what to say about it. Quite frankly, they're a game
under five hundred. They're in better shape right now than
the Pirates are, who have totally tanked over the last
week and a half. I think they're in better shape

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than the Chicago Cubs over the final quarter of the season.
Can they take the already goods starting pitching they're getting
and combine that was stuff that we didn't see consistently
enough for the first four and a half months, namely
better base running, a better performance and one run games,

(01:21:09):
which they've obviously been better recently, a more consistent, more
productive offense like is there still another gear? And you
know last year they won twelve straight games, which thrust
them clearly into the thick of things.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
They were in first place.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Winning twelve consecutive games is a bit much, but some
run like that is going to be needed if they're
going to go from what they were coming out of
the second game of that Milwaukee season or Milwaukee series
to what we hope they can be. The starting pitching
is probably good enough. Can everything else come together enough

(01:21:49):
for this team to make the sort of run over
the next couple of weeks that enables us to go
into September thinking they really have a chance?

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
That, to me is what this is really about.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Can between now it's timber the first they play well
enough and win enough games in a short amount of
time that they go into the final month of the
season with more than just an outside chance. We will see,
perhaps starting tonight, lots going on here downtown Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
We're at the Holy Grail.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
It's yacht rock night, tonight at GABP first of three
Reds and Royals.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
A lot to get to between.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Now at six o'clock, another check in with Tony Pike
as we get set for tomorrow's preseason game. We're gonna
give away another pair of Green Day tickets. We'll take
one contestant coming up at five thirty five. Get to
a couple of phone calls as well. It's nineteen after
five o'clock worth the Holy Grail, Towntown Cincinnati. Michelob Ultra
five o'clock Happy Hour on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports

(01:22:43):
Station Cincinnati's a ESPN fifteen thirty on Lazra broadcasting from
the Holy Grail Downtown. It's the Micheloi Ultra of five
o'clock Happy Album. Our buddy Mike is standing my mic
here on ESPN fifteen thirty afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Are you hey, Mike? What's up?

Speaker 8 (01:23:06):
I'm sorry, dry my hand. I apologize.

Speaker 9 (01:23:11):
Hey.

Speaker 8 (01:23:11):
You know what cracks me up?

Speaker 11 (01:23:13):
Well, I'm going to be coming back to Cincinnati, uh
in a couple of days to tie up some stuff.
I need to tie up some family versus.

Speaker 8 (01:23:23):
You know, I don't know if I'll see him again,
so I'll try to see if I can, I don't know,
see meet it somewhere or come down with Scootio or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
They say you're okay enough to travel is great news, Mike.

Speaker 8 (01:23:41):
Well, no, they don't say I'm okay to travel. My
Dodger's pissed off. But I I don't have a choice.
I got stuff got to go.

Speaker 9 (01:23:47):
Back home to do.

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
And that's just the way it is. So he's just
you know, you just got to take it super easy.
Go check in at Jewish Hospital with it after back
there and eat that stuff. So I'm not really I'm
looking forward to it, but my interview level makes you tough.
But you know what cracks me up. You know how
people call you. You'll go, hey, what are you doing?

(01:24:09):
And there there's some weird noise and you go like,
are you okay? And where are you? Yeah, I still
say I'm the still greatest caller that you trapped at
Kroger's on two different occasions for yours.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
I remember you you called us from the Bellevue Kroger
and you were in line to self checkout, and you
were excited about the money you had won based on
you know, some of our suggestions on Locks of the
Night and I said, well, pay it forward, Mike, pay
for the groceries for the person behind you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
And you did.

Speaker 8 (01:24:39):
Yeah, it was cool. It was so cool. It was
so cool, dude. And I got a big kick out
of that, so I just remember that you might get
a kick out of it now. It was the important stuff.
I got three or four things at Jill and Dogs,
and I'll try to be fast, Okay, I just don't.
I want to register to get the playoffs. I don't.

(01:25:00):
Obviously they're not jumping San Diego or or.

Speaker 12 (01:25:04):
Od Race because they're gonna have to pick the volgar
who works like their sixteen games.

Speaker 8 (01:25:10):
It's gonna be tough to jump the pod, the Braves
at seven over, it's gonna be tough to jump the
next three of them all, and who knows what the
Giants will do, so it's gonna be a tall pass
my brother.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Yeah. I mean, look, they have to overtake three teams, right,
which is not easy to do because chances are every
time you lose, one of those teams is going to win.
And I've I make it less about the number and
the GB column and I make it more about a
number that you have to get to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
You're gonna have to get to minimum eighty four wins.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
And even with the way the Braves are tracking, despite
all of their recent issues, they're still on pace to
win eighty five eighty six games. And I still feel like,
if you want to talk about the Reds making the postseason,
the chances are it's more likely than not they're gonna
have to get to eighty five or eighty six wins.
Well for that to happen, let's just make it a
round number eighty five. That means they gotta go twenty

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five and sixteen the rest of the way. That leaves
no margin for error, that leaves no real room to
get swept in a series, that leaves no room for
blowing a game where you have a big lead late,
That leaves no room for you know, kicking away a
winnable game and losing by a run that's over six
hundred baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Winning a lot of games in a very short amount
of time is And even there's no guarantee that that's enough.
You know, that's the thing, right, you could do that
you can go twenty five and sixteen and maybe Atlanta
sets a pace that gets into eighty eight wins.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
So the Mets get you know, a win or two more.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
This is going to be really, really hard if you're
looking at the final quarter of the season through the
lens of them getting to the postseason.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
That said, they have at least.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
This week gotten things to a point that you could
you could at least talk about it and do the
math and wonder about it, because I'm not sure anybody
was even trying to do that after they lost that
second game in Milwaukee last weekend.

Speaker 12 (01:27:06):
No, you're right, you're well at least, yeah, you're right,
at least we got a hope swim, but swim, but
we got a hope. A h I got a tribute
question for you, because you know, Ben.

Speaker 11 (01:27:16):
Ta hearing a lot about cy Young and Sale and
Hunter and Zach Wheeler and what have you.

Speaker 8 (01:27:23):
You and I agree Sales probably went unless he gets hurt.
But who is this now? Over the last pointy years,
the win column hasn't been as much to the cy
Young as it did prior. What goes along with your philosophy,
But who holds the record for the fewest amount of
wins that won the Cy Young Awards? Eric Kanya, Oh,

(01:27:47):
get out of here, you hurt me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Call Tony, I did not. Unfortunately, Ericane won.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Did even win he wanted as a closer, so he
obviously wasn't winning a lot of He won two games.

Speaker 8 (01:28:01):
Yeah, in two thousand and three. I don't know if you're.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Calling Tony with the same trivia questions you could. You're
trying to stump Tony with the same material you use
with me.

Speaker 8 (01:28:11):
Well, Tony, he compared to you. You no offense, Tony,
no offense, My.

Speaker 13 (01:28:16):
Buddy, you're tough. You didn't get the vice through one
of those couple of years ago or whatever. That when
that's a trick question, it's probably I think we're getting
tired of talking about Jamar, just like we got tired
of talking about Jesse Bates, don't you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Yeah, I mean I think this I think this week
things change a little bit because he was a no
show and that hadn't been the case, and so you know,
I think that that elicited good conversations. I also think
when there's when there are issues building, and this team
does have some issues building as it relates to injury
and maybe some practices that went a little sideways, I

(01:28:53):
think it it brings into focus perhaps Jamar's absence being
one of the reasons for that from or It creates
conversations about, hey, look, they have issues that they really
can't control. Why not take care of this one thing
you can control and get the Jamar thing done. But
as a general rule, is there any new, real new

(01:29:15):
ground to cover?

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Not really. There has been a little bit this week,
but today not really.

Speaker 8 (01:29:22):
Have you checked out the Little League World Series? I've
been getting.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Uh No, and not because I don't enjoy the Little
League World Series, just that there have been other things
that have commanded my attention.

Speaker 8 (01:29:35):
Both game of the Little League World Series, the kid from.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Next I did see that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
I didn't see the game, but I did see that
that had happened. Why do they have instant replay in
the Little League World Series?

Speaker 8 (01:29:49):
But I'll say Eduardo Perez on there, boy, he's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Eduardo Perez is a very good announcer.

Speaker 13 (01:29:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
I watch those Sunday night baseball games that he does
with Carl Ravich and David Cohne Edward Operez, and I've
I've heard his I probably should acknowledge this, but I've
I've heard his baseball show on Sirius xm uh. He's
passionate about the game and does does a good job
at both the major league level and uh, not that

(01:30:17):
I watch a ton of the Little League World Series,
but what I have seen in years past, he does
a nice job.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
We have to run. Have a good, safe and healthy weekend. Man.

Speaker 8 (01:30:27):
Okay, I'll call you when I get back.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Ma'll take you, buddy, all right, take care, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
It's it's our guy, Mike. The fact that he's been cleared,
or the fact that he can travel because he hasn't
been cleared to travel is uh, that's good news. We
need a contestant. If you want to test your knowledge
of the shared history of the Reds and Royals, and
you want to go see Green Day and Smashing Pumpkins
and Rancid and the Linda Linda's next Thursday at GABPH,

(01:30:55):
we'll take your phone call. Five point three seven four nine,
fifteen thirty. We only need one contesting if we If
our winner doesn't win, we'll just we'll hold the tickets
to the next week. We have more tickets to give away
next week.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Five three seven four nine, fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
If you want to go see Green Day on Thursday,
and you think you know a lot about the Reds
and the Royals and their shared history. Five three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty, Pick up the phone. We're at the Holy
Grail Downtown twenty four from six on ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Station, Cincinnati's esp This.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Is not the Scot Slone Show.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
We're We're gonna We're gonna give away Green Day tickets
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the guy with the D voice. Pregame at nine Red's

(01:31:50):
Royals tonight, Nick Martinez Michael Lorenzen on the Hill, first
of a three game set, speaking of which we're gonna
give away some We're gonna try to give away some
Day tickets Green Day and Smashing Pumpkins next Thursday, GABP.
If you don't win tickets, you can go by them.
Hopefully Jeremy wins them. Hopefully he knows a lot about
the shared history of the Reds and Royals.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Hi, Jeremy, are you ready? Are you excited?

Speaker 9 (01:32:14):
I am excited. I'm not sure if I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
All right, Well, I'm neither. I mean I am excited,
I'm not ready. I'm ready for six o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Hey, let's do this.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
You have five questions and you got to get three correct.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Are you Are you prepared? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:32:31):
I won the Dark Spentley tickets a couple of months
ago doing Cardinals trivia. I think it was and I
held my own, so best shot here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
I think these are pretty easy. I think we did
Bengals Bears last Hour. Those were easy. That guy won,
So there's no reason why you can.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
This man pitched in the World Series for the Reds
in nineteen ninety and for the Royals in nineteen eighty five. Hey,
Mike Lacosse B Danny Jackson, C Jose Rio.

Speaker 9 (01:32:59):
That'd be Danny accent boom.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
We don't even need to wait for tarn to hit
the thing, that's right. Danny Jackson pitched pitching three World Series,
also pitching the World Series for the Phillies. They did
not win that one. In nineteen ninety three. There you go,
one for one. Gotta get two more, all right. The
first ever regular season meeting between the Reds and Royals
took place on September the first, nineteen ninety seven. This
game marked the major league debut for the son of

(01:33:23):
this former big leaguer A Bob Boone, B Pete Rose
Ce Buddy Bell.

Speaker 9 (01:33:32):
I'm gonna guess that it was Pete Rose.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Oh, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Yes, Pete Rose Junior made his big league debut nine
to one ninety seven. Got a hit started, I believe
at third base. Pete was in attendance, and there you go.
Very good, all right, you're two for two, only got
to get one more.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Two men have managed both the Reds and Royals. One
of them is Bob Boone. Who is the other? Lo
Penela b Hal McCrae. See Jack mcckehon. We was a again,
Lou Penella.

Speaker 9 (01:34:12):
I'm gonna go with Jack McKeon.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Can I get a Jack mccannon, Yes, Trader. Jack managed
the Royals from nineteen seventy five through nineteen seventy nine
and then managed the Reds. Was hired to replace Ray
Knight in nineteen ninety seven and manage the Reds clear
through the year two thousand. Jeremy three for three. You're
gonna go see Green Day and Smashing Pumpkins. Jeremy, congratulations,

(01:34:38):
Thanks Moe. All right, put Jeremy on hold, Tarren. We'll
get his info, Tarren, because I don't want to waste
my work. Do you want to try to answer the
other two?

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Sure? Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Twenty fifteen Royals won the World Series and five games
over the New York Mets. Three of those games were
started by former Reds. One was Johnny Quato. Who was
the other? Is it Matt Lato's Homer Bailey or Edinson
volk Edson? I believe Edson Volcaz started games one in five.
In the Kansas City Royals Hall of Fame, there are

(01:35:08):
two players that were traded to the Royals by the Reds.
One is Hal McCrae who is The other is at A.
Jeff Montgomery, B. Kurt Stillwell or C. Mike Sweeney. Jeff
Montgomery franchise is an all time leader in saves traded
by the Reds to Kansas City. All right, there you go,
h more Green Day tickets next week you can buy them.

(01:35:30):
This weekend coming to GABP along with Smashing Pumpkins and
Rancid and the Linda Lindas next Thursday. It's going to
be enormous and we'll give away more tickets on Monday.
We'll chat with Tony Pike next on ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
Being Camp report proved to you by Skyline Julie Feeling Good.
It's Skyline on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of
the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Bengals aren't practicing today because they have the game tomorrow
live on ESPN fifteen thirty in Chicago against the Bears.
Tony Pike is still with us, giving us live training
Camp or forward three forty five, four forty five, and
five to forty five every day until the end of time.
Let's talk about some stuff that's gonna unfold tomorrow. Most
starters aren't gonna play, but there's been a very good
battle at corner between Dax Hill and DJ Turner, and

(01:36:17):
we get a chance to see the next step in
that battle tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:36:20):
Yeah, you know, you mentioned it. It's been a good battle.
I don't know if it's a battle that's been a
positive from what the Bengals need to see it's been
a bottle where they are close, but no one is
really taking this job and running with it. In fact,
we've talked more about Josh Newton through these training camps
than DJ Turner or Dax Hill in a positive manner.
And what I think is frustrating if you look at

(01:36:43):
yesterday's practices is that a lot of the success that
Caleb Williams and the Bears offense head and the joint practice,
Dax Hill seemed to be on the wrong end of
those and for a lot of people it felt like, Okay,
Dax is starting to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
How much of that was who he was going.

Speaker 6 (01:36:58):
Against in the preseason game number one with Tampa's second
and third team. I think that is a viable option
to look at here. DJ Turner has been good, not
great throughout training camp. Dox Hill changing positions, you thought, Okay,
maybe he's turning the corner, and by all accounts, yesterday
it wasn't a good day for him, It wasn't a
good day for the secondary. So what I would like
to see is one of these guys start to take

(01:37:21):
the rains and and take the job, you know, not
hold on based on what the other guy is not doing.
I need to see one of these guys step up
and say, Okay, I'm gonna be the guy. You have
an opportunity tomorrow, you have a joint practice Tuesday, and
one more opportunity Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
In that time, somebody needs to take this job.

Speaker 6 (01:37:41):
Not hope to be given this job, but by all accounts,
not a great joint practice. The Bears offense was able
to move the ball very well, even in the rain,
in the passing game, and I think that is a
big indictment on where this secondary is and where they
need to go in a short amount of time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Last week, as good as the first team offense was
in that opening series, they were terrible running the football.
The Bengals' longest run last week was seven yards and
it came from Logan Woodside. Now we all understand who's
not going to play tomorrow night, but it would be
nice to see this team run the ball more effectively.

Speaker 6 (01:38:14):
Well, they need to run the ball effectively mo and
they need to use tomorrow and this time left to
figure out who's going to be up front. Right now,
we don't know a ton on Trent Brown other than
lower back tightness. Lower back injuries are never good. A
Marius Mims is not there. They they now have an
extreme depth problem on the offensive line. Deontay Smith is out.

(01:38:36):
So who is going to be the tackle for this team?
Who is going to set the tone in the running game?
Who is going to give them some semblance of depth
going forward? Because you do feel good, okay, Orlando Brown's
been solid, Volson Karas Kappa. A lot of questions at
tackle and right tackle right now, they still don't have
a lot of depth. Tomorrow is a great chance to
build depth and to show, okay, maybe there are some

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cornerstone pieces on this offensive line that we can use
for depth that if needed and called upon, they can
go out there and still play with that glass eating
mentality that Frank Pollack talks about.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
All right, Tony, awesome stuff. You're back Monday for Since
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