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Happy National Radio Day to you, Happy National Radio Day.

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Thank you very much. Bengals are practicing with the Colts
right now. Tony Pike is there. I just saw Bengals
tweeted out on their at Bengals on x A. Joe
Burrow to T Higgins touchdown pass. At least I think
it was for a touchdown, and so that's good. Bengals
Colts practicing right now. Bengals Colts playing on Thursday games

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Bengals training camp practice right now.

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He's there. He's gonna join us in just about forty minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I hope he says what I need him to say
a little bit later on Scott Saderfield's on this show
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is available on x at my thanks to Emory Federal
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should worry about Joe Burrow's health. I don't think we
should worry about Joe Burrow's hand, his wrist, or whatever

(02:19):
level of discomfort he is dealing with. He is healthy
enough to practice. He was healthy enough to appear in
a game that doesn't count a week and a half ago.
He is healthy enough that, barring something unforeseen, barring something
very unfortunate, he is tracking toward being the Bengals starting

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quarterback when they play in a game that matters in
nineteen days at home against the New England Patriots. Now
that doesn't mean he's not dealing with some discomfort. He
is acknowledged I'm dealing with some stuff here. He has
said that. He has said that publicly, and it makes sense, right,
he is coming off of very significant injury, and he's
coming off injury, so it stands to reason that maybe

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what he has been dealing with in training camp are
the residual effects of that injury suffered less than a
year ago, and that might be something that he has
to contend with and deal with and work through as
the season begins. I don't know, you don't know. I'm
gonna guess Joe Burrow doesn't know. My guess is he

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takes it day to day. If you've ever dealt with
any really any kind of injury, I mean, you know,
like there's different levels of pain, there's different pain thresholds. Also,
not like there tends to be a time at some
point where it's like, holy crap, this doesn't hurt it
all anymore. Like I can do anything, I can do

(03:45):
anything with this, this doesn't hurt it all anymore. And
we're all just waiting for Joe Burrow to experience that day. So, uh,
whatever he's dealing with, we shouldn't worry about it. Do
I say that because I'm a doctor, of course not.
Do I say that because I've talked to Joe about
his hand, or I've examined it or I've looked at

(04:07):
X rays. No, shouldn't worry about Joe Burrow and his
discomfort because the Cincinnati Bengals, from what I've heard, should
have a really, really, really good team this year.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
So I don't know how this season's gonna end. I've
said all along.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
You cannot convince me that if Joe Burrow plays a
full season that this team is going to be on
the outside looking in of the playoffs. The playoff field
has never been more watered down. Joe, when he plays
a full season, the Bengals win the division. I'm not
guaranteeing that this division is insanely good and deep, but

(04:48):
you cannot convince me that Joe Burrow plays, I'll just
say sixteen games, not even the full seventeen. You cannot
convince me Joe Burrow plays sixteen games in this team
doesn't make the playoffs. I find that unconscionable, find it unfathomable.

(05:08):
I find it impossible to even try to talk myself
into that scenario. Joe plays the entire season, this team's
on the outside looking in. I don't really care right
now about the first about the seventeen game season. What
I care about is first two weeks, first two games.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I want the.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Bengals to go two and oh to start the season,
which they haven't since twenty eighteen. Zach Taylor's never started to.
And oh, Joe Burrow has never started to. And oh,
in this fun window the Bengals have enjoyed, they've never
started to. And oh, even two years ago they won
their first game, maybe didn't deserve it, went out there
Week two against the Bears and laid a clunker. They've

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never started two and oh under Zach Taylor or Joe Burrow.
I want to start to and oh, I want to
start to and oh, and let's be honest, if they
start to and oh, well they stand a very good
chance to start four and oh, and then if you're
four and oh, you get Baltimore coming here, man, you
could really do some damage. But forget four and oh,

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I want to start two and zero. Can that happen
if Joe Burrow is not quite where he needs to be, Like,
I think, we operate under this assumption. And it's to
me not that unlike the appendectomy issue two years ago.
And it's not that unlike the CAF issue last year,

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where you acknowledge that to start the season maybe there's
still a little remaining pain and these there's still just
a little something there that is less than an ideal.
But you know what, they can get through the first
couple of games and then we're going to get to
a point where Joe's Joe again. We saw that two
years ago. Joe was terrible the first two weeks, and

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then by the middle of the season he was one
of the best players in the NFL and became an
MVP finalist. Last year, Joe started very unevenly, but before
he got hurt was playing as well as any quarterback
in the league. I found the Bengals forty nine ers
game this weekend. Joe Burrow was insanely good, ridiculously good.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
And so.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
It's different than an appendectomy, it's it's different than a
calf issue. But still, I think most of us are
reconciling ourselves with at least the possibility that when the
season begins, maybe Joe isn't one hundred percent, or in English,
isn't one hundred percent, And you know what, maybe he's
maybe he's still shaking off some pain. Maybe maybe maybe
there's still a little slight discomfort. Okay, but we believe

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that along with playing games, there is treatment and there's
just the body doing its thing that by the time
we get to the heart of the season, by the
time it's mid October, Joe's going to be fine. Can
they win those first two games? Significant favorites at home
against New England and then probably slight dogs at least,
and maybe even more than slight against Kansas City Week two,

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a Kansas City team that'll have a rest advantage because
obviously they start the season on Thursday night of Week one.
Can the Bengals win those first two games? Well, everything
I've heard about this team for months would suggest the
answer is yes. Right, Hey, the defense has been remade
and by the way, I like a lot of the changes.

(08:29):
How do you not right? I think they're really good
at safety. There's I think a lot of potential at corner.
I need a real bounce back season from their linebackers.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I'm not really sure.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
They're gonna be great against the run, but I do
think the pass rush is going to be improved. And
if they're stopping big plays, I'll give up some some
yardage on the ground. If they're stopping getting beat over
the top, which they were awful at last year.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
You give me my choice.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
MO, you could be significantly better in regard to the
deep ball, or you could be much much much better
against the run. I'll stop the deep ball, I'll stop
the explosive play. So the defense has been remade. I've
read for months about how this offensive line should be
the best one that Joe Burrow has ever played behind. Okay,
run games should be more explosive. Wide receiver group is

(09:17):
better than any in the NFL. And I keep being
patted on the head and told, uh, don't worry about
Jamar Chase week one.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
MO.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Okay, well then I'm not gonna Uh. It's a good
coaching staff. Maybe they've upgraded with a new offensive coordinator. Okay,
if all those things are true, and for the last
six months, all I've heard, and by the way, I've
said some of this stuff too, is how good this
team is, how how good top to bottom this team is.

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How good the additions this offseason were, Mikeasicki, Zach Moss,
how good the draft was, how good the changes on
defense were. If those things are true, then they should
be able to do what they couldn't do last year,
which is overcome what the quarterback was dealing with and
win their first two games. And they should be able

(10:10):
to this year do what they couldn't do two years ago,
and that's maybe overcome some limitations that Joe is dealing
with and still find a way to win their first
two games.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
There's my question for you.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
If five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty acknowledge
that there's at least a possibility that when Joe charges
out onto the field against the Patriots in that first
game in nineteen days at the venue formally known as
Paul Brown Stadium, that you know what, maybe there's.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Maybe there's just a hint, a hint of discomfort. Maybe
it's just it's.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Not quhite where we want it to be. Okay, let's
acknowledge that. Is this team as constructed good enough to
overcome that and win those first two games. Is Joe
Burrow good enough to overcome that and win those first
two games?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (10:58):
That's that's that's the central question that if you're a
Bengals fan, I think we should be trying to wrap
our brain around, not what they're gonna do over the
course of the season first two weeks. And you could
get mad at me for limiting it to those first
two weeks. They haven't started two and oh in years.
Not starting two and oh two years ago ensured that

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they would have to go on the road twice in
the playoffs. Not starting two and oh last year kept
them from making the postseason. We're not starting one in one.
I think they're gonna win Week one no matter what
it's really about. The Kansas City game, that's a huge game.
So but they gotta go back to Arrowhead, right fourth
consecutive game. Can't do anything about the schedule. Want to

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go back there this winter or would you like to
avoid that? I would like to avoid it, but then
beat him head to head if you believe this team
is as good as I've heard it is all off season.
Then the Joe Burrow thing, if we acknowledge he's probably
gonna be one hundred percent sometime soon, No big deal.
Go to Kansas City and win. If the Borough News

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makes you believe that they have no chance, then this
team's not as good as we thought. You can tell
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Colt's joint practice just outside the venue formally known as
Paul Brown Stadium coming up in just about twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
We will get to the Reds, who.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Have put Jamer Candelario on the Angel List, but aman
Rosario is up his third team this year, and we'll
spend some time on them.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
The Reds, not so much Ahmed.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Rosario, who I think can play still coming up here
in in just a bit.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
I don't know that the mood of the joint practice
against the Bears or with the Bears or the genuine vibe,
like the genuine vibe yesterday could have been and maybe
he should have been. Hey, you know what, the defense
is killing it right now. The defense won the day.
But you know, as we've.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Done these training camp reports and talked with different people.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
There's been there's been a theme, you know, some frustration,
some frustration with Joe maybe not feeling him, feeling him
the way he would like, or Joe not performing the
way you would like, or maybe some frustration with not
having Jamar Chase. And then the you know, the just
sourness that comes with losing guys like Deontay Smith and
Chris Evans during a practice to injury for the season.

(14:59):
It it feels like, and maybe maybe I'm reading the
room wrong, but it but it feels like everybody could
use a little bit of a pick me up. The
best bosses that I've ever worked for sort of have
always had a handle for when when the staff could use,

(15:20):
you know, a little jolt right when when morale wasn't great.
You know, just knew exactly what to do. The best
bosses I've ever had had to feel for that, how
to feel for that with individual employees, how to feel
for that with the unit as a whole, and it
has just kind of felt like, you know what, the
Bengals could use some of that. This is among the

(15:43):
many reasons why I wish they would get the Jamar
Chase thing done. Like if you if you are tired
of talking about not just Jamar Chase's absence, but talking
about you know, Joe having some frustrating moments during training
camp practices, or how the injury issue with Marius Mims

(16:03):
is impacting the offensive line, or how the Deontae Smith
injury issue is impacting the depth of the offensive line,
or it is some of the questions that have popped
up in recent days, like all that goes away if
for twenty four to forty eight hours we're talking about
Jamar Chase being back and knowing that he's not gonna
miss the first couple of games because he's holding in now,

(16:27):
is that the only reason why you get the deal done?
Of course not. But as we have said many times,
Mike Brown has said he is going to get a
deal done. What is the harm in doing it now?
And legitimately, I think that's the best way to put it.
They have their way of doing things. Many have pointed
out this has been Adam Schefter's mantra on every show

(16:49):
he has gone on. Well, hey, look in San Francisco,
Brandon Aiyuk one year remaining and Dallas Cedee Lamb one
year remaining, but in Cincinnati Jamar Chase two years remaining.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
It complicates things.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
And sure the dynamic is different because of the length
of time that the Bengals and Jamar are committed to
each other, But what would be the harm? What would
be the downside? And if the answer is well, hey,
they're taking on some financial risk long term and in
terms of guaranteed money, that would you know, really bubble

(17:23):
to the surface if something happened to Jamar here this
season or during training camp or into practice. Okay, isn't
isn't everybody's peace of mind? Isn't everybody's attitude and level
of preparedness and just overall demeanor and vibe aren't Aren't

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those things? Aren't those things worth paying a little extra for?
In a year where your team's going to be kind
of defined by how close it comes to winning a championship.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I cannot imagine.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
The just I don't know, surge of energy and enthusiasm
and optimism. If if we found out today, you know what,
that Jamar Chase thing, it's done. And no, he's not
gonna play on Thursday against the Colts, but he'll be
at practice next week, and most importantly, he'll be on
the field September the eighth, and more important than that,

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he'll be on the field September the fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Where's the downside in that? And if.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Part of that, if the ancillary benefit to that is,
you know what, suddenly Joe's a little bit more crisp
and the practices have a little bit more pep, and
this team's got a little bit more juice, a little
bit more bounced to it, then the decision is worth
it to me. This is one of those moments, and
I know we talked about this a little bit last
week where a really good boss understands, you know what,
my guys, my team could use, they could use some

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good news, They could use a little just jolt of energy.
You mean to tell me that signing Jamar Chase today
wouldn't energize everybody? Come on, Mike, read the room five
point three, seven, four, nine, fifteen, thirty phone calls coming
up in uh, just a bit. Red's win last night, Yes,

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they win. Go to Toronto and beat the Blue Jays.
See if they make it, can make it to two
in a row tonight, Nick Krawl. Nick Krawl was asked
about David Bell. He gave answers. He also did something interesting.
He did something interesting. I'll tell you what it is.
Next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
Sincy three sixty with Tony Pike.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Do we want to move on to keep going? And
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Speaker 7 (19:45):
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fifteen thirty.

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to yours for life kelseyschev dot Com. Bengals practicing a
joint practice with the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's happening right now.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Those two teams play that game on Thursday night at
eight live on ESPN fifteen to thirty. Meanwhile, the Reds
battling the Toronto Blue Jays tonight's second of a three
game series north of the border. Met Rosario has been
added to the active roster. This will be Rosario's third
team he's played for this year. He spent first half

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of the season obviously with the Tampa Bay Rays and
batted three to zero seven, then went to the Dodgers.
He appeared in five games, was made expendable when they
brought back Mookie Betts. Met Rosario is a guy who
has spent some time in Cleveland. He has spent some
time with the Mets. His numbers year to year to
year to year not great, amazingly consistent. Twenty eight years old.

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Now with the Reds third team, he'll be a part
of this year corresponding roster move. Jamer Candelario has been
sent to the injured list with a fractured great toe.
It's the great toe. Is the big toe? Normal people
call that the big toe. I've never heard it referred
to as it's the great toe, like if you stub

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your toe. No one's like, man, I hurt my great toe.
It's the big toe. I think great toe, great toe,
wouldn't be like the third Biggest toe No anyway. Jamer
Candelario on the Angel List. Hopefully Tonight's red starting lineup
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India's dhing Tonight, Elie de la Cruz, Tyler, Stevenson, Friedel
Steer France Internet last night having a lot of fun
debating about whether or not ty France will have a
statue out in front.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Of GABP one day, Freiley and Espinal.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I swear to God my I'm going to start a
New Year's resolution four months early. My handwriting is so bad, Marte.
I can't even tell you I wrote Marte's. I have
to read the line up again because I screwed up.
My handwriting is so bad I couldn't read Marte. I'm
also so stupid that I didn't realize I just tried

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to write down Marte. Let's do it again. India is
leading off Ellie's at short, Stevenson catching Freedo, batting clean
up and center Steer and left Ty France at first
base Freiley and right field Noelve. Marte like it looks
like I wrote it looks like I wrote mop. He's
batting a eighth at third base Santiago. Espinal is hitting ninth,

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playing second base Florence battling Schomberg. Tonight, the UC basketball
non conference schedule was released today. You hear that pep
in my voice. You see he opens up the season
at home no Monday Monday. It's not a good way
to celebrate World Radio Day. Monday, November fourth, a home

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battle against Arkansas Pine Bluff.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
The season gets earlier and earlier.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Bearcats on the road at NKU November nineteenth, a return
matchup on the road against Georgia Tech. Bearcats crushed the
Yellowjackets last year. That game in Atlanta on Saturday, November
the twenty third. They're at Villanova December third, home for
Xavier in the Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout Saturday December the fourteenth,
the Dayton game, which is going to be at the

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Arena Downtown on Friday, December the twentieth. Those are the
highlights of the non conference late. You can get it
in its entirety at Gobercats dot com. We're gonna spend
a little bit more time on this later on. But
Nick Crawl all the Baseball the president of baseball operations
for the Reds, referred to David Bell's job performance in

(24:06):
twenty twenty four as quote solid. He says, quote, we
obviously haven't won as many games as we would like.
I guess that goes without saying overall, I think he's
been We've had young players grow and continue to get better.
Look at what Ellie has done from last year to
this year. We've had some young pitchers take steps forward,

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and Hunter Green and Nick Lodolo, Charlie Goldsmith of I'm sorry.
Gordon Wittenmeyer of The Inquirer writes that Crawl stop short
of the so called dreaded vote of confidence during Monday's
discussion about Bell, and made it clear that the operation
top to bottom will be evaluated after the season in
search of improvement, including quote looking in the mirror himself,

(24:54):
I'm not sure there's anything to really take away from
what Nick had to say. I think this is interesting, though,
as specifically whether he thinks the manager is getting the
most out of the club this season. Crawl answered after
a lengthy pause. His answer reads quote He's done a

(25:17):
solid job up to this point, and we could always
get more out of everybody. But at the same time,
I think he's done a solid job. The lengthy pause
is interesting to me. Now, lengthy pause could be a
moment where he's genuinely giving this some thought, but it

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comes off.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Sort of understanding.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
You know, when you're talking about the team's manager in
a year where the team has lost more than they've won,
you know what general tone the questions are gonna take. Right,
you know what you're gonna get, the lengthy pause. I
said this to Austin about an hour ago. When Andy
Dalton was the Bengals quarterback, we made fun of this

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all the time. We would call it the Andy Dalton face.
Go round to anybody this is when Andy was the quarterback.
Go around to anybody you work with, any one of
your buddies, and just ask how do you feel about
Andy Dalton? Everybody will pause before they give an answer,
and usually make a face. That pause says something says

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more than the actual answer. I can't help but wonder
if that applies here. It's a good segment. Tony Pike
at Bengals Colts training camp practice next This baseball season
week August.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
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Speaker 4 (26:50):
Tony Pike joins us every single hour from Bengals training
camp practice. Roughly three forty five, four forty five and
five forty five Bengals are practicing with the Indian app.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Was practice going well.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
It's been good up to this point, you know. They
they just finished up their third team session of the day.
First two team sessions, I thought it was I thought
it was really good from a Joe Burrow standpoint. He
first of all, outside the numbers, T Higgins been a
couple of nice catches. Everything else was checkdowns. You know,
if if you follow along, it was good. It was clean.

(27:27):
It wasn't any explosive plays or anything like that, but
the operation was much better. And I'm standing here next
to the Fox nineteen crew, Joe Danneman, Jeremy Row. And
after that that second team period they tweet out, you know,
the offense books clean much better. And then they just
came out of their their red zone period where the
Colts dominated. Uh had one interception, maybe two. It's upon

(27:50):
the far end of the field, so it'd be hard
to see if it was an interception. A couple of
sacks built in there and a little bit of a scrum,
not a not a long sledge melee, but eric All,
you could see two straight reps. Eric All kind of
pushing the issue a little bit with some Colts starred rep.
It resulted in I would just say a polite scrum,

(28:13):
if there is such a thing, I would say, Yeah.
Two out of the three team sessions today, the Bengals
offense has won, I thought seven on seven. The Bengals
also won against the Colts defense as well. Uh, it's
it's been harder to view the other field because that's
where the Colts offense has been versus the Bengals defense.
And I've spent a lot more time today on on
the Bengals offense.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I understand. How are Joe and Jeremy doing? Are they
right there with you?

Speaker 8 (28:37):
You know they they a joint practice daylight today they
bring their best out. Yeah, so Joe is Joe's been
professional off camp. Jeremy is I think taking a step
into that professionalism right now. Right now, Jeremy's getting a
shot of like the bushes. Danaman's just kind of directing
him what to do. Danman's got ice in his hands.

(28:59):
I think he's trying to figure out the whole Joe
Burrow humidity thing with his hand and his grip. It's
kind of a glove situation. So these guys at Fox
nineteen leave no stone unturned right now as it relates
to their coverage of the Bengals training camp.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Before we talk more about the practice today, can you
pass along a message. Yeah, I watched their their their
half hour long high school football preview, and I thought
it was excellent.

Speaker 8 (29:23):
Let me tell him real quick, tell them no, watch
your guys thirty minute high school football preview segment, and
he thought it was phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I watched it Sunday morning.

Speaker 8 (29:30):
Watched now Daniman said, you should have watched the full
hour because it was an hour, not thirty minutes.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Well, but I was flipping around and I call it
like the last and it might have been the last
thirty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
It was Sunday morning that was on. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so that was the best.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
That was the best.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Party I thought it was.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
I thought it was really really a little more of
scott high school football coverage would have been nice, but
that's we could work.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
On that again.

Speaker 8 (29:49):
Gotten reading would be good.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, it would have been nice, Tony, Can I ask you?
Can I answer you a question? Yeah, Typically, like training camp,
there's a lot of discussion of like newer pieces and
how they fit in. And you and Austin I think
mentioned this as well. It's interesting that every day you
and I have chatted and we've talked about the good,
we've talked about the not so good. We've talked about

(30:12):
late breaking developments, We've talked about who's practicing, who's not practicing.
I don't know that you and I have spent any
time on either Mikeasicki or Zack Moss.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
Yeah, you know, it's it's a good time to talk
about it because no, he must have been listening today,
because Mike Hsicki, I think, has had more catches in
today's practice than he has had all training camp combined.
He has been a go to today, had a nice
one handed catch from Joe Burrow. Look, Kasik's a guy
I think I like. The first couple of days of

(30:43):
camp we talked about how excited and impressive he looked,
and then he completely disappeared he showed back up in
a big way today. For the most part, though, it's
been more Chase Brown on a lot of the carries
than Zack Moss. Zack Moss preseason game number one was
going to play that he had the illness. He didn't
play in the second pre season game. So it's very
unique because to the new running back room with Joe

(31:05):
Mixon leaving, Chase Brown and Zack Moss have played one
combined series in the preseason, and I think that series
looked a little bit to be desired from a run
standpoint for Chase Brown. So that's a little bit of
an unknown. There was one other player throw there. I
feel like we haven't talked a bunch about Sheldon Rankins.

Speaker 9 (31:22):
No.

Speaker 8 (31:22):
I was watching him a little bit today in one
on ones and he was from a power standpoint, dominating
offensive line defensive line one on one. So guys that
got are harder to pick out in team because you're
not tackling, so you're not really, you know, getting a
full understanding of are they making the play? Would they
have been there to make a play. But in one
on ones today, I thought Sheldon Rankins had a good series.

(31:44):
I thought Mike Kasicki's had a really good day, but
not a ton on on Zach Mawson where that is yet?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Are Joe and Jeremy still there?

Speaker 8 (31:53):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Yeah, tell them that I think they do a good
job on TV of pretending like they like each other.

Speaker 8 (32:01):
Joe and Jeremy most says, you guys do a great
job on TV of acting like you like each other
as well. Very appreciative are these guys they do it
down here as well? Because I was thinking, Mo, you know,
what better way to like, you know, break into the
scene with what Fox nineteen's doing with the Bengals, then
for like Joe and Jeremy at some point camp to
have their own media scroom like them to go out.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
I'd like, Who's who would you put your money on?

Speaker 8 (32:26):
Well? I asked Jeremy earlier and Jeremy because I like,
because Jeremy like, there was a there was one point
where Jeremy missed pretty much a whole camp because of
a minor ankle injury. And I said, you know, asked Jeremy.
I said, what would you go after? And he very
very adamly said I would go after Daniman's heart.

Speaker 9 (32:42):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (32:43):
And when he said that, I'm like, Okay, well, I
guess I would take Jeremy Wow.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Uh, you know Joe daniman Is is the dean of
Cincinnati Sports TV broadcasters. I mean that nobody has done
that job right now. You know, all the old guys
are retired, so now it's like Joe.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
Dean and Raw is much like Joe Burrow because this
is like his first fool active training camp in the
last three years.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Jeremy's like a lot a lot of training. Jeremy's like
a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
I don't know that I would make a Joe Burrow comparison,
but I appreciate the effort by you.

Speaker 8 (33:17):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
All right, well look, give give those guys my best
and see if you can sidle up to any other
TV people for the four to forty five one.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
Okay, perfect night, mom, Tony bike.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Bengals and Colts on Thursday night. That game kicks off
at eight o'clock. It's gonna end right around eleven o'clock
and then, thank god, the preseason is going to be
over and then we only have to wait two and
a half weeks for them to play a game. Tony
is back with us at four as he gives us
the latest on what's happening at that training camp practice

(33:55):
on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
We have a lot to come more on.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
The Bengals as we get set, as we get set
for Thursday night, Like there's great anticipation for that game.
But I do think we have to talk a little
bit more about the expectations for those first two games
because like legitimately it it's it sounds it sounds like
I'm putting too much stock into those first two games.
But all I've heard for months is they've got to

(34:21):
get off to a better start this camp. This offseason
is all about hitting the ground running. Okay, does that
ground to a halt of Joe Burrow is only like
eighty five percent or ninety ninety percent?

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I don't know, it shouldn't.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Plus, I want you to we're gonna we're gonna steal
something from sincey three to sixty rank them. I want
you to rank five categories for me. We have some
poll questions to get to. I'll try to work up
enough interest to talk about Trevor Bauer versus Joey Vado,
and we'll preview the high school football season. It's coming
up on four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati

(34:56):
Sports station.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
This report is sponsoredbot dot Com.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
The Bengals and Colts in their final preseason game. Coverage
starts Thursday at three on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official
home of the Bengals. Oh, yes, what day it is?
Guess what day it is?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Dude day.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
I'm trying to think of. I don't think that's accurate.
I don't think we're having tacos tonight. I think I
think this is one of those nights where it's gonna
be like begel Bites at my house.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Because neither one of us have gone to the store.
Are you in college? I like bengel Bute.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
We like old jam stuff in the freezer that like
I'll snack on. I smoked a pork shoulder this weekend
and it was really good. I should have brought some
in for you, Karen, but I had it for dinner Saturday,
I had it for dinner Sunday, I had it for
lunch and dinner yesterday, and I had some of it

(36:02):
before I left to come to the radio station.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
And it's really good. But like, I don't know that
I want another.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I don't know that I want another bowl of of
you know, pull pork, so I can get a Maybe
we'll make tacos. I don't know, but I think I'm
gonna go to that big box of bagel bites that
we have. I'll care if you're sixteen nineteen or my
age mid forties. Bagel bites in the not that microwaveable crap.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Okay, relaxed, relax all in Kyle's all. The four was
a microwave. Yeah, you have an oven? You really get
a dorm?

Speaker 4 (36:36):
No, yeah, I don't like microwave and stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
But look, I mean the pulled pork on microwave. But
the bagel bites, Oh, couldn't you pull your pull pork
in the taco? You know what? You make a very
good point, Arn, and I think we have some taco shells.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Guess what Taco Tuesday at my house? Thank you very much.
Six after four ESPN fifteen thirty on Molegger. The conversation will,
I'm sure be more similating than that. As we move forward,
high school football is inching closer, and our buddy Tom
Gamble's gonna preview the season in the Skyline Chili Crosstown
show Down at about thirty minutes. Scott Sadafield joins us

(37:17):
at five point twenty. We've got Green Day tickets to
give away in the five o'clock hour.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
As well, and right now we're pretty open at.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
Five when three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty as reading
this thing by Tony Pike back at Bengals training camp
practice here in justin bit does seem to think that
Joe Burrows had a good day, So maybe we could all.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Take a deep breath.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Maybe Maybe I'm a big believer in pointing out that
at times there.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Is room for multiple truths.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
So I was reading a little bit before from this
piece on Nick Crawl and his comments on David Bell,
where the headline is David Bell has done.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
A solid job.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
And you may disagree, you may agree. There are a
lot of different factors that go into any sports season,
In particular a season as long as a Major League
Baseball season, a team is overwhelmingly so not really good

(38:20):
or really bad because of any one thing. The season
is so long, and there's so many different variables, and
there's so many different factors that a team's success or
lack thereof, hinges on that it is unfair often to
talk too much, either when we're giving credit or assigning

(38:44):
blame about any one thing the Reds to this point
in the season, and they did win last night kind
of an interesting game too, But to this point of
the season, where they have lost more than they have won,
it been, in many respects, a frustrating season. It hasn't
been a season that has veered so off course that

(39:07):
they are at a place where we never could have imagined.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I mean, I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
If you would have said to me back in February
that through one hundred and twenty five games the Reds
are going to be sixty one and sixty four, that
made sense. I would I would have hoped for better,
and I could have made the case for better. But
let's let's not pretend they're on a pace. I'm gonna
do this very quickly. Stand by this is Live Radio.

(39:34):
They're on a pace to win seventy nine games. And
before the season started, my take, I think I was
far from alone, was this is gonna be a team
that wins between seventy nine and eighty three games. They're
on pace for seventy nine. Anybody who would have said
before the season started the Reds are gonna win seventy

(39:56):
nine games. You might have not liked it, you might
have been disappointed, But to anybody, did that did that
seem off base? If I would have said back in March,
Rids are gonna win seventy nine games, not like I
said they were gonna, you know, win fifty nine games
or ninety nine games. Seventy nine always seem to be
kind of and that's where they that's what they were

(40:16):
setting up pace for it. That doesn't mean they're gonna
win seventy nine games. They may win more, may win less.
That said, the season to this point at least feels
disappointing and relative to what we hoped and relative to
what some expected, this year at least to this point,

(40:38):
has been a letdown, and the losing, at least to
this point outweighs the winning. Despite what the run differential says,
despite the team's Pythagorian record, the team has lost sixty
four times and won sixty one times. There's no one
reason for that. David Bell's managing this year can be

(41:04):
considered a contributing factor, but is his performance this season
the biggest reason why this season hasn't gone quite the
way we expected or hoped, and I think it's more
hoped than expected. I think hopes for this team outweighed
the expectations. However you want to categorize it. There's sixty

(41:29):
one and sixty four. The losses outweigh the wins.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
David Bell.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
The main reason why I don't think the answer is yes.
I joked before that I was going to use the
little gimmick that Tony and Austen have used rank them.
I have five factors and there may be more, and
if you want to add one, go ahead. But you
know injuries.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Injuries.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Injuries shape every single season in every single sport. Lack
of individual player performance from guys we thought would be
better built in, roster flaws, managerial performance, slash decision making,

(42:15):
and bad luck. And I'm never dismissive of the role
that luck plays in a sports team season. Luck plays
a major factor in everyday life.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
It just does.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
So those are five, and if you want to add one,
feel free. I put performance of the manager lower on
the list. And these are reasons, not excuses. By the way,
you could talk about injuries being a reason, I do
not believe they are an excuse. I probably put one

(42:55):
in two, lack of individual player performance from guys we
at least hoped would be better.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
That in built in roster flaws.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
This wasn't a team that coming into the season had
a lot of guys who at their position you thought
were league best. Even some of the players who have
done some really good things this year TJ. Friedle Jonathan India,
jam Or Candelario, at their respective positions and their respective roles,

(43:27):
are they considered to be among the league best? No, No, Now.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
The lack of.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Roster depth was exposed when injuries took hold, and then
you could talk more and more about roster flaws.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
So to me, it's those two things.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
So if we're to do the whole thing, and you know,
things may change over the next six weeks or so,
and maybe the Reds charge ahead and make the postseason
and we're probably not going to happen. Math is not
working in their favor. So if we get to October
and they are on the outside looking in and they
have a losing record, and we do the post mortem

(44:08):
once the season is over and kind of dissect why
did this season not go the way we would have hoped.
There's a lot of different things there, and certainly the
manager's role should be talked about. I would not put it,
and I don't think anybody who's really paid attention would
put it as the main reason reason number one why

(44:29):
the Reds will have lost more than they have won.
I think that's fair and reasonable to say. But as
I said at the top of this long rambling segment,
there's often room for multiple truths, and so I think
you could acknowledge David Bell's performance this year isn't the
main reason why the Reds have a losing record, while

(44:50):
at the same time acknowledging, you know what, the guy's
been here for a while. He's been here for six years,
and it's it's worth examining whether maybe things have gotten
a little bit stale. It's worth examining if, for all
of his good work he has done with some of
these young players, if maybe it would make sense to

(45:14):
find somebody else to take what they have and do
even better. It certainly makes sense to examine everybody's job,
everybody's role, and see if we can find someone better.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
And this is.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Where I am with David Bell, who I like, who
I respect, who I think at times has just gamely
worked his way through some awful set of circumstances, who
has had to answer for things that he has very
little to do with. Who I believe the players really
really like.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Like he's a dude worth rooting for.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
If the Reds fired David Bell today, I would root
for him to get a managerial job somewhere else and
do great. And if he's the manager here next year,
obviously out on a root for him to do great.
But I do think there's something to be said about.
All right, here's where the team was a couple of
years ago, Here's where they are now. They're in a

(46:11):
better place. There is a group of guys worth building around.
Hopefully Hunter Green in twenty twenty five is a part
of it. But this guy has been here for six years.
You know, not that it's apples to apples, because it's not.
Dusty Baker got six years and then we sort of
agreed at the end of those six despite having success,
you know what, maybe it's maybe it's maybe it's just

(46:35):
time now. The flaw there in twenty thirteen to fourteen
was they fired the manager and then just sort of
moved on and didn't do anything else to the roster.
That would be a big mistake. The Reds in twenty
twenty five have work to do. As you look at
this year's team versus what we hope they put on
the field next year.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
They got some work to do. They they got they
gonna find some upgrades.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
They're gonna find more depth, gonna find some better players,
need some players to stay healthier, need some players to
perform or better. But it cannot be as simple as
change a manager and here we go, proceed, move forward,
don't do anything to the roster that's not going to work.
But when you have somebody whose body of work is
pretty well established, and you know what his strengths are,

(47:15):
you know what his weaknesses are, you know how the
team responds to him, you know maybe how the team
doesn't respond to him. I think it's fair at this
juncture where the Reds have come aways from what they
were but still have a ways to go, to take
a very good hard look at whether or not they
can find somebody who might be a slightly if not

(47:39):
significantly better fit for what the Reds are going to
be moving forward. Now I know what that means. It
means you have to be open to moving on from
a manager who you have to pay for the next
two years, and maybe the Reds don't want to do that.
By the way, there would be a lot of teams
who wouldn't want.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
To do that.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
But I think if you really want to show hey,
if you really want to act like a team that's
genuinely solely interested in being the best at what they do,
you got to ask, is our manager that we have
right now the absolute best at what he does or
is there somebody else? And you could apply this to

(48:17):
a lot of positions on the team. You could apply
this to maybe a lot of positions in the organization.
You can maybe apply this to the coaching staff. I
think it's fair to say David Bell is not the
main reason why the Reds have lost more than they
have won. At the same time, acknowledge, you know what,
maybe we should take a good, hard, thorough fare look

(48:38):
at his job performance, at his strengths, at his weaknesses.
Compare all of that to the team that we hope
he manages next year, see who else might be out there,
and at least be open to the idea a that
maybe bring David Bell back, But also be that perhaps
there's somebody out there who's either a little bit better,

(48:59):
or a little bit more or qualified, or a little
bit more of a fit for the players they have,
or maybe even a little bit more of a fit
for the people that make up the hierarchy of the
front office. I think the Reds are in a really
interesting and I think critical place. That they've dragged us
through a rebuild which took forever, they dragged us through

(49:22):
the teardown post twenty twenty one. We've waited and watched them,
in many respects, get better and get to the big
league players that are exciting and interesting and that if
they continue to do the right things, they can win with.
But we also can't be having the same conversations in

(49:43):
a year that we're having right now. And at some
point what they're doing does need a payoff bigger and
better than they're around five hundred in the summertime.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Like at some point, at some point, you.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Got to be in a position to deliver a payoff,
to actually go for it, to have the kind of
team that can legitimately contend.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
And not that the window is closing, but.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
How many more years are we gonna be talking about
next year or the year after that or the future
twenty twenty five might not be when the World series
or bust, but it does feel like a pivotal year
for what the Reds are doing. It feels like a
pivotal year for the organization as a whole. Given its importance.

(50:29):
Why wouldn't everybody's job be under review, including the managers.
You can replace someone, You can examine how good they
are at their job and whether or not they're the
best fit for what we're doing moving forward, and not
blame them if you decide to move on, right, Like,

(50:50):
moving on from David Bell to me, wouldn't be about
blaming him for twenty twenty four. It wouldn't be about
holding someone accountable for twenty twenty four. To me, it
would be more about, look, man, we respect this guy
and he's done some good things. We just think, for
what we're trying to do, there's a better way of
doing things, and we think we know who that is
and we can get them, and.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Here he is.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Like, not every firing has to be about blame. Not
every firing has to be about, you know, somebody's head
being on a stick and scapegoating. Sometimes it's as simple
as and we really like what this guy did, really
appreciate his accomplishments, but you know what, for what we're
doing now, we just we don't think he's the guy.

(51:34):
What is wrong with at least being open to examining
whether he is the guy that you and I can
do it in our free time. But I really do
feel like once the off season starts, and even before
the off season begins, it's fair to take a look
at everything, every facet of the organization, every facet of
the roster, every component of the team, everything that went

(51:57):
wrong this year, everything that went wrong beyond their control,
and everything that went wrong that's within their control. But also,
let's take a look at this guy who's been the
manager now for six years, has done some good things,
has has absolutely handled himself in a very professional I
think I was gonna go with a gentlemen distinguished. I

(52:19):
think David Bell has had a lot of crap very
very well. That's trying to get too fancy with how
I put it, But let's take a look at moving
forward to see the guy. Multiple truths can exist At
the same time, David Bell's performance this year isn't the
main reason why the Reds have lost more than they
have won. David Bell's performance should still be under a microscope,

(52:43):
and the role of manager moving forward should still be examined,
and they should still be asking moving forward, is this
the best person we could find for this job? Twenty
two minutes after four o'clock. That was long five point
three seven nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number? Will
go back to a Bengals practice in twenty minutes, Uh

(53:04):
Chad with Tony Pike plus Brandiman and Jones on baseball
as well on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. You've
got to stop talking about, you know, things like a
coach or a manager in terms of well, it wouldn't
be fair to him, like go find the best in
the world at what they do, bring them in, go
win championships. And again, like I think we sometimes frame

(53:29):
too much, and you know we we've made fun of
on this show the wheel of blame. Well, here's who's
here's who we're gonna blame today, right like when the
Reds have moved on from managers before, and let's face it,
there haven't been that many of those. They they've basically
had three managers since two the end of the two
thousand and seven season. Two thousand and eight right, Dusty,
Brian Price, and David Bell. Moving on from a manager

(53:51):
to me is not about blaming them. It's about getting
to a point where you're like, you know what, either
it's time for someone else, or there are huge faults
in the way this person has performed, or they're not
the right fit. I mean, it's could be staleness, could
be just looking for a new voice, freshness, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
It doesn't have to be blamed.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
I just I don't. I don't think you can. You
can really underscore too much how how important the next
season is for the Reds. I mean, like I asked
this around the deadline. If if we're doing the are
they buyers or sellers thing and they're only four and
a half out of the wild, if we're doing that
again in a year, man, that's that's that's failure. That

(54:31):
is I don't care what factors contribute to it.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
That's failure.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
So, like Auld, it's at some point, and I think
the point is now the questions have to be less
about what they've been the last couple of years and
more about what what's next? How how do we take
what we have and and go for the brass ring?

(54:58):
So to speak, go win a champion with what we have,
and those questions can include an examination of the manager
at Muleger on Twitter. Thanks to our friends at Delta Dental,
we'll have a couple of poll questions.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I'm maybe three, maybe four, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
But first, the high school football season is very rapidly approaching.
The Skyline Chili Crosstown Showdown, for my money, is the
nation's premiere high school football event.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
We'll preview it next on ESPN.

Speaker 7 (55:28):
Fifteen thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
My guy, Taron Bland tells me that Rhet Lauder has
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and deserved. Full sports headline, Full sports headlines coming up
in just a second.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
We do this every August.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
We chat with our buddy Tom Gamble the Skyline Chili
Crosstown Showdown, celebrating this is remarkable, it's twenty seven year anniversary.
This fall is kicking off on Friday with the long
overdue renewal of a rivalry between Mohler and Princeton. This
is going to be at Man you Sofield at Princeton

(56:10):
High School. This is awesome. If you're a longtime follower
of Cincinnati high school football, you know how good and
how deep this rivalry goes. And with the exception of
a postseason matchup, it hasn't been played in forever. To
talk about the Skyline Chili Crosstown Showdown. Our buddy Tom
Gamble is with us. What's up, sir, congratulations twenty seven years.

(56:31):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Well, mo what it says is I'm old. I guess
I'm still going. That's a good thing, right, But you know,
it is funny, thank you, by the way, But it
is funny. You know, even I had forgotten about Moehler
Princeton and doing some of the research. It's pretty darn incredible.
I mean when you look back at this game and
it was first played, you know, and I'm talking back

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in the sixties, seventies, eighties, was played Week one, then
it moved to Week two, then it became the Week
ten always played at UC's Knippord Stadium, and back then
pro long period, they only took one team from the Regent.
Now everybody gets in of course just about they took one.
So it came down to Moeller Princeton. Whoever won that
advanced on. I mean these two programs with Jerry Foust

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at Mohler and Pat Mancuso at Princeton. I mean those
two coaches combined to win eight state titles. Here's what's incredible.
So Moller won the D one well, then class trimple
a big school if you will, seventy five, seventy six,
seventy seven. They probably wouldn't have won in seventy eight
except Princeton beat him and won. Then Moller won again
in seventy nine and eighty, Then Moller won in eighty two,

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then Princeton won in eighty three, and then Fairfield somehow
snuck in in eighty six, and then back to Princeton
in eighty seven. So I mean it's you talked about dominance.
I mean it's crazy and these guys.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
When you look at the.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Records, and Mollar won with seventy and one in foulest
last six years, that one law, of course came to Princeton.
I mean it was just Princeton won twenty nine Greater
Miami Conference championships under Mancuso, twenty one in a row.
I mean, these numbers are staggering when you think about it,
and I said years ago the other programs, you had

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one of two options. You could just continue to get
whipped every year by Moeller and Princeton, where you could
get better.

Speaker 9 (58:21):
And I think that's why.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
We've seen what we've seen and why you know, then
there was held Er, then cole Ran under Kerry Combs.
Then Saint X's won four times. I mean, you had
one choice. You had to improve your program, and really
that was thanks to Moller and Princeton just being as
good as they were, not just here, not just in
the state, but really on a national level as well.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
All Right, so how did we get this? How did
we get the resumption of the rivalry?

Speaker 5 (58:46):
Well, they did it. The schools finally got together, I
mean the past players mo have been clamoring for this
game to be played, I.

Speaker 9 (58:52):
Mean for years.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
So they played three years ago in twenty twenty one.
They met in the postseason, where you know, you have
to play if that's how it works out, Buller won
twenty eight pointy one. The last time I can remember
trying to get this game for the Skyline Chili Crosstown Show,
on which I did in two thousand and eight. They
hadn't played for a while. Then and I got them
to play on a Saturday night when we could still
play at Nippert and it was a great football game.

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I mean it was Spencer Ware who went on to LSU,
and the NFL was at Princeton. Buller had its usual
group of dudes and Princeton led ten to seven at halftime.
Buller one up went in twenty seven to seventeen. But
I just think that you know, now, these programs when
you look at them now, Andre Parker's at Princeton. Princeton
last year went twelve and one, won the GMC beat

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out Lakota West nine to zero. Perfect League. Andre was
at Witt and Wood was very successful, and then Moeler's
made it three straight years to the state semifinals, lost
in close games each of those three to Springfield. I
just think it's time and this has been renewed. Now
they'll do this week one moving forward until somebody decides
that they shouldn't do it. And I hope they never

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decide that, because this is one of those games that
should be played, you know. I mean, it's especially where
the programs or I had a chance yesterday to sit
down with Pat Mancuso, who's ninety five years old and
he'll be ninety six in November.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
It looks like he's still coach.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
To be honest with you, I mean he's you know,
it's incredible. But just here his passion for this game
and talk about how many guys would always clamor to
him and you know, play this game. Let's renew this series.
But yeah, I'm glad it's back, and it's a great
way for us to kick off the show that it
really is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
It's gonna be Friday night, seven o'clock kick at Princeton
High School kicks off the twenty seven Skyline Chili Crosstown
Showdown Moler v.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Princeton. It's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Give us an idea of the other games you have
on the Skyline Chili Crosstown Showdown slate as the season unfolds.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Yeh, let me make one thing. Man Cuso and Jerry
Faust Junior will be there as honorary captains, which is
pretty cool. So that that's a cool.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
So we've got the normal. I mean, we have one
game every Friday night, and I'll go aheadts have like
week two, we have East Central two time defending Indiana
Class Full race state champion. That's moving up to five
A one of the most dominant teams ever last year
undefeated at Harrison, A good you know border war there
between southwest Ohio and Indiana. And then we've just got

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your usual slate. You can the usual suspects. I mean
you might see I don't know, maybe an elder versus
Saint X. I mean it's you know, there are so
many good programs MO, and I think there's some.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Parody this year.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
I mean, nobody really knows as we know on all levels, right,
we think we know it's set Navy college football, you
know about the top four or five every year, right,
But beyond that high school football, there's pretty much it's
gotten a lot better. There are some really good programs.
But we'll have a great game every week. We'll announce
that on our X formerly Twitter. At least I've kept
up with the name of the town, so that's that

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at ex Town Showdown. So we'll do we have daily interviews,
like I talked to Vancus, so we've got that up there,
and we'll have previews and game stuff on Friday nights
and videos and just try to keep everybody up to
date on what we're doing every week.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
This is maybe a stupid question, but I'm always interested
when people talk about parody. Well, for me, it's all
of them. But whenever I hear people talk about parody,
there's always an attempt to come up with a reason
for what do you attribute parody in high school football
in this day and age too?

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
Well, I think here perhaps I just think, well, one
thing that's dramatically changed the landscape mode. And I don't
know that I necessarily like this, but a lot of
schools have open enrollment now, and you know it's while
it's not hit the ridiculous nonsense of transfer portal, you know,
you still probably need a roster sometimes in high school now,
so you can, you know, with open enrollment, you can

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go to a different school. And that don't kid yourself
at at the high school level. I mean, Jimmy didn't play,
and Jimmy thinks he should get more time, and Jimmy
doesn't want to wait till he's a junior, just go
somewhere else. I mean, assuming that open enrollment and you
know what, there's recruiting at the high school. Well, it's
not kid ourselves, I mean, and you know what, if
you want to be among the elite. Probably as a coach,

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you better recruit. I just think there's more really good
athletes and really good players, and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I really do.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
I think it's I think I think it's similar. I mean,
you see and I know you follow up you see
college basketball. I mean, now, granted, it's a little different
college basketball because you only need a couple dudes, right,
I mean, you can make a significant difference with two guys,
not necessarily that way in football, but I think it's
the same premise. There's just a hell of a lot
of really good athletes going everywhere, and uh, you know in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
These public schools too.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
I think here's what the difference is today too. Obviously,
private schools everybody, you know, they recruit, and it is
well public schools do too, because you have to, don't you.
I mean, if I'm coaching a public school and I
want to compete and you know, define for me recruiting,
you know what I mean, if there's a kid in
the kid or his parents contact you and you say, yeah,

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you know, we've got a good program here, and yeah
we run this option or we play this defense or whatever.
I mean, I think what people need to understand is
never more so than today. Kids parents, they're looking for
different places to play if they don't like it where
they are. I'm not saying I agree with all that.
You know, the old you know will go with what

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we got right, That's not necessarily the case today. I
mean it's so I think because of that. You know,
as soon as a team starts to get you know,
better and get more kids, people want to go there.
And let's be honest, it's no different than like the
AAU world in basketball, which helps recruit kids to high
schools too, and even somewhat the colleges. It's the same

(01:04:41):
way in football. Maybe you went to a camp with
this kid or you you know, you work out on
the side and man, let's play together. Guess what you
wind up at the same school. I think there's a
lot of that today.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
The twenty seventh Skyline Chili Crosstown Showdown begins Friday night
Mueller Princeton, the resumption of an awesome rivalry. It's at
Princeton High School. Game kick off at seven o'clock. You
can get all the information on this year Skyline Chili
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Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
You're the best. We'll see you soon, man, thanks so.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
Much, Thanks boll, appreciate the time. Man, a guy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Anytime, Tom Gamble that is that is really cool. The
film that came out a couple of years ago made
by Branson Wright on the Molar Princeton Rivalry is awesome.
Go find it then be there Friday, Moler Princeton Skyline,
Chili Crosstown Showdown. Tony Pike from Bengals Colts practice next.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
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Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Joint practice today Bengals Colts. They'll play on Thursday live
on ESPN fifteen thirty. Tony Pike has been down there
at the a venue formerly known as Paul Brown Stadium
covering today's workout.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Is today's practice over?

Speaker 8 (01:05:58):
Yes, it was easily the longest of Camp MO. They
did five different team drills today, which normally in a
practice you may get two. On major days, you're getting three.
So we'll see what that means for Thursday. I doubt
you're gonna see many guys Thursday. But it was very
very team drill oriented today. And as Charlie Goldsmith pointed

(01:06:20):
out just a few minutes ago, I know our camp
coverage doesn't stop mo No. But from a Bengal schedule standpoint,
Joe Burrow officially made it all the way through a
normal preseason camp.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Yeah. It's it's remarkable.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
For all the scrutiny of every throw, for how he's
maybe wearing a glove, not wearing a glove, shaking his wrist,
holding his this is the most normal training camp environment
he's ever had.

Speaker 8 (01:06:47):
He missed one practice and the startup training camp was
you know, there's gonna be built in off days for Joe.
He had one off day all throughout training camp. I
think that gives an indication, at least from a stability standpoint,
from a structural standpoint where the wrist is right now,
does he still want to clean stuff up?

Speaker 9 (01:07:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:07:06):
Is there stuff that happened today that you can clean up? Absolutely.
I thought it was easily the offense's best day in
the last week or so. They did struggle a little
bit down the end. They struggled in the red zone
team at the end, and then they went four and
out with two sacks in the two minute drill at
the very end of practice. But outside of that, I
would say offensively, the Bengals were on top of the

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coach defense today, and for the most part, the Bengals
defense was on top of the Coats offense.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
So it feels like maybe the mood pivoted a little
bit today relative to what we were talking about yesterday.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
Yeah, there's still stuff you want to see. Like today
was solid. There were no home run plays, right, they
didn't have a touchdown in any of the team drills.
But they moved the ball, they completed passes. There was
one interception thrown. Another one was a fourth down that
he tried to fit in that could have been picked off.
But it still lacks the home run place, the down

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the field stuff. And I think if you look at
red zone and two minute drew where you got to
fit the ball into a smaller window or take some
chances down the field, they're not there yet. But everything
else was much better from the offensive standpoint today.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
All right, very good. Now, see this is what I
want to hear. Now I'm feeling good. Yesterday I was
feeling down. Now I'm feeling good, Tony, Thank you so much.
We'll chat again.

Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
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That's what and and soon to come season preview reports,
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Tony Pike back with US coming up at five point
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I got a morning round of golf on Sunday. There
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the foursome. Right now, Scott Sadderfield is going to be
on our show in fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Looking forward to that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
The Internet says they've made a decision Sooresby Brendan Sorosby
is going to be the starting quarterback, which I believe.
I'll see if I can get Scott coach Saderfield to
a cop to that. Here in about fifteen minutes. We'll
take some phone calls because I've babbled long enough. But
before we do that, Bengals joint practice with the Colts.

(01:10:20):
I don't want to say uneventful, but no real major fights,
no real major injuries. That is diametrically opposite to what
the Bengals went through last week with the practice with
the Bears and a good day for the defense by
every account. Tony Pike is going to join us on
that topic and more coming up at five point forty five.
It does feel like Dax Hill has rapidly gone from

(01:10:42):
a guy that we were wondering, Okay, can he stick
is a corner to a dude who maybe has the
inside track or at least has a distinct opportunity in
front of him to be the starter at corner opposite
Cam Taylor. Britt, you want to hear some Zach Taylor.
This is We were stealing this from Caleb No from
Channel nine nine On your Side WCPO, Channel nine, home

(01:11:06):
of Brandon Spinner and Jennifer Ketchmark and Caleb No. Here
is I don't know what we're about. Is this Zach
talking to a scrum?

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Yes? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Uh, here's Zach talking to a scrum of reporters just
a few minutes ago after today's Bengals Colts joint practice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Sure the offense, the offense feel ready this season?

Speaker 10 (01:11:30):
We got still more work to do. You know, we
got two weeks left, so get some more work in.
So I'm glad you still got that off tunity.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Do you anticipate playing in the first team ors after? Thanks, Zach?
Did you like what you saw to the offense today
as much as you got to see?

Speaker 10 (01:11:42):
At least I only saw two periods, So again, we'll
watch the tape and figure out. But it was just
good work going against a different defense, different players. It's
a really good experience for the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Best exam for you're just trying to manage drink down
snaps because he was commands.

Speaker 10 (01:11:54):
Yeah, yeah, that was a plane going.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Why'd you want to watch d as opposed to watch yet?

Speaker 10 (01:11:59):
It's just again, you both of us are offensive head coaches,
so to flip sides, John, the drill just makes sense
to be able to watch monitor however you want to
phrase it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
And it's good for us to be out Google and
you playing for the starters on Thursday.

Speaker 10 (01:12:12):
Yet, Uh, don't play on them playing. I mean there
might be one or two guys that makes another book.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Don't kind of resist good guys like backs and djas
Well says, we've seen Joe sport a black club in
between throws.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
What is the purpose of that club?

Speaker 10 (01:12:26):
You don't he's done on curk tours.

Speaker 8 (01:12:30):
Did it look like he was throwing the ball with authority?

Speaker 9 (01:12:32):
Two?

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Great sick you hit a big game? Just how crazy
if he been by his.

Speaker 10 (01:12:37):
Kim he sounds great day. He picked up the offense
very fast, understands the nuances and the chemistry and Joe,
so we've been really pleased with things brought.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
To the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
There you go, there's Zach Taylor just a short while ago.
A lot of noise there. So doesn't expect the starters
to play on Thursday, outside of quote maybe a few
here or there. And I spoke maybe a little bit
out a turn in referencing there being no injuries, because unfortunately,
Miles Murphy did go down grabbed his knee. Reading a
tweet here from Jay Morrison, looked like a non contact

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injury and so Zach said a little bit too early
to say what is up with Miles Murphy. That's definitely
worth paying attention to. Miles Murphy is a guy who
I think we're all really excited to see what he
can do in year two. Based on some of the
flashes we saw late in year one and some of
the things we've seen so far here during training camp.

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Thanks to our buddy Caleb No, they're at ch Channel nine,
he got Caleb no and Marshall Cramsky, and then you
know before we talked Joe Daneman and Jeremy Row at
Fox nineteen and then at Channel five you got Charlie
Charlie Clifford and Olivia Ray, the newly married Olivia Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
And Channel twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Their sports department right now is Richard Skinner, and I
think they're bringing back Kid Andrews to anchor sports on
the weekends.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
So that's exciting.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Tony Pike with the latest from Bengals training camp practice.
We do have some poll questions we have to get
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the history of the world. We have a few different
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pole questions. I found that out the hard way. Question
number one, if the Bengals played the Patriots tomorrow and
the Chiefs one week from tomorrow? What would their record
be through two games? Through two games easy for me

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to say. Let's try it again. If the Bengals played
the Patriots tomorrow and the Chiefs one week from tomorrow,
what would their record be through two games?

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Two and o, one in one or oh and two?

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
I discounted the possibility of there being a tie two
and o, one in one or zero and two.

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Vote now at MO.

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phone works. Hi, Kevin, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank
you for your patience.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
How are you, hey, MO?

Speaker 9 (01:15:26):
Thanks for picking me up.

Speaker 6 (01:15:28):
Sure. Circling back to the David Bell conversation, Yeah, would
you agree with me that the collective Cincinnati fans would
go bonkers if we just made the playoffs?

Speaker 9 (01:15:41):
Would you agree?

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Yeah? Especially now?

Speaker 9 (01:15:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:15:44):
So would you agree with me that the manager of
a baseball team is probably worth six to ten wins
or losses during the season.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
I think ten's a bit high. I'd put it closer
to five or six. But but but in a race
like but but I will acknowledge that on a team
like this, with the structure of the sport being what
it is, meaning that to sneak into the playoffs, you're
usually going to have to beat somebody by a game
or two, those five to six games could be could

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loom really really large?

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
Okay, how about would you agree with me that a
cardboard cutout of David Bell in the dugout would be
worth six games which would get us into the playoffs
at this point of the season.

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
I don't know. You don't have to agree with me.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
I understand where you said as a you know, as
a sports hug.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
I mean, look, here, here's here's how I here's how
I feel about David Bell. I'll be I'll be very
I think over his first four seasons he was largely
an inconsequential figure. I thought the team as a whole
played pretty much to the level that you would have
expected in each of his first four years. I think
what their record was was a direct reflection of the

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level of talent they had. They overachieved last season and
did so in an environment where the chemistry helped and
new guys joined the team and helped almost instantly. I
think you have to credit the manager for that. I
think you have to credit the manager for winning more
games than he lost when the starting pitching was atrocious
and he was having to go to his bullpen every

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single night. This season, I have found myself more frequently
than ever before, questioning certain decisions, some of which he
doesn't have that much to do with, but he has
to speak for. Many of which he does have to
speak for because he's directly responsible for them. Over the
course of his first five seasons, it was rare that

(01:17:44):
I would follow along with David Bell and really kind
of not get what he was doing. I have found
myself over the last two months more frequently than ever before,
debating internally and criticizing publicly some of the things that
he has done. That doesn't mean that he's a bad manager,
but this year I've watched him through a different lens,
and I haven't loved everything that I have seen.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
I like that answer. Lastly, just I'm for Moeger or
cardboard cutout for the manager for the remainder of the season,
and I'm out, so thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
I think the cardboard cutout would do a better job
than me. I don't love the idea of not getting
any time off during the summer. You gotta work every
weekend during the spring and summer. It's like, why of
all the jobs in sports, like baseball manager working being
a like, wait a minute, I gotta work every weekend

(01:18:42):
in the summer. The most amount of time I get
off is for the All Star break, which is a
Monday through Thursday. No, I don't think David Bell's a
bad manager. And if you think this season has gone awry,
and it's debatable whether it really has, let's be honest.

(01:19:02):
I don't think David Bell is the main His performance
this year is the main reason why. I do think
the team is at a really interesting juncture, Like the
results of this year next year will not be acceptable.
The results of last year next year will not be acceptable.
And so I think it's I mean, you do this
every offseason, but I think you really do it now,

(01:19:24):
especially in light of how well some players have played,
how poorly some players have played, and the lack of
depth this team had at the beginning of the season.
Let's examine everybody's role, and that includes the manager. Is
he genuinely the best at what he does relative to
anybody they could get or would be interested in, or

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would be available. And I don't know think the answer
is yes or no, but I think deep down inside,
even David Bell will tell you like, yeah, if you've
been here for six years, take a look, take a good,
hard look, and again like, hey, David Bell did a
masterful job with last year's team, masterful and I had
no issue with him getting a contracted extension. I'm not
sure why it had to be three years, but with

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how that team played, with how they really exploited the
changes and the rules in twenty twenty three, how he
had to go, you know, every night, every night planning
for a game, which, all, right, draw up the lineup,
figure out which mismatches you want to try to get,

(01:20:29):
which mismatches you want to try to avoid. But go
into a game every night thinking I'm going to have
to figure out a way to win the game when
my starting pitching is not going to help me that much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
That's really really hard to do.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
The job that he did with an extraordinarily young team,
a lot of moving parts and work, by the way,
work with a bullpen that didn't have a lot of
guys who had established track records and get the results
that he got. Regardless of how you feel about his
performance this season, regardless of whether or not you think
David Bell should be the manager the team next year,
I give him eternal credit for the job he did

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with last year's team. This year, a lot of stuff
has gone wrong independent of the manager. But like you know,
I've come in here every day since David Bell became
the manager. This is the first time where I really
have questioned individual and part of it is the games
have mattered more than two years ago when they lost

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one hundred games and the season was over before May one.
This year, there have been a lot of times where
I've kind of wondered, like, Okay, what are we doing here?
Does that automatically disqualify him from next year?

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Should they take a good hard look at the end
of the season after six years? Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Scott Sadderfield's going to join us next on ESPN.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Fifteen thirty Cincinnati's e.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Tickets in about fifteen minutes but first, Scott Saderfield is
with us getting closer to the start of year two
of his run at the University of Cincinnati Bearcats hosting
Towson a week from Saturday. I appreciate it as always, coach. So,
I mean you've been you've been preparing for this season
for months. You go through springball, the off season, all
the workouts, fall camp, higher ground. You're still I guess

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technically in camp mode, getting into game prep mode next
week as as the as the season inches closer, and
I'm sure from your perspective it's it's coming at at
a faster pace than that. What are what are the
last I don't know, week and a half, like for
for a coach who's got his season opener fast approaching.

Speaker 9 (01:22:39):
I mean, we're just getting ready, man.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
You know, we're excited about playing the first game and
you know, running out of the tunnel here at Nipford
and you know, hosting Townshend for that game and really
you know, getting our first look in the first chance
to see this this team, because this is it's a
different team. You know, we talk about it all all
season with you know, over forty five new scholarship players
and you know, new defensive coordinator and some a lot

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of things that are going to be different.

Speaker 9 (01:23:03):
About this team this year. And so you know, new year.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
New opportunity, and we're excited about year two and the
Big twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
With all the new guys. How unique was the Higher
Ground experience this year?

Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
It was great, you know for me being my second year,
you know, knew a little bit about it obviously, and
I thought it was much better experience for myself and
really for our team. You know, we got a great
mix of guys that really enjoyed being around each other
out there for those two weeks, and we really got
I feel like, you know, a lot more connected as
a football team and as a staff. You know, we

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did not only did we do football. We did some
fun activities, some events, you know, paintball, you know, we
took them to the movies one day, we had.

Speaker 9 (01:23:45):
Had a corn hoole tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
I mean, there's a lot of things we did outside
of the football aspect where you just continued to bond
as a team. And so, you know, it was it
was a great experience for those two weeks, and I
really thought we became tighter.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
From a football perspective, relative to when camp started to now,
where do you think your team has made the most progress?

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Well, I think, you know, we got so many different
players and new players on the defensive side, so I
think we're continuing to.

Speaker 9 (01:24:11):
Make progress there. We did.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
We did get some you know things up on the
defensive line that got hurt. You know, losing Jalen Hunt
for the season certainly a big blow. And Michael Coleman
this summer, you know, two guys that we're going to
be part of our defensive line. But one of the
one of the groups that I really believe that it's
started to come around and excel as the linebacker room.
You know, we we added some guys there, but we

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been in freshmen and transfers, and I really believe you've
got a strong too deep there at the linebacker room,
which then all the guys can really really run and
that's that's the exciting piece. And then also is in
the safety room. You know, I think you know, with
Canteen and Mincoln's and Miller, all new new guys and
new additions, you know, great people, but but really have
a great understanding of our defense and they bring some

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great experience as well. And so so I think just
on defensive side of the ball, I think we really
helped ourself.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Out what's on that side.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
You talked about the defensive line and some of the
things you've had to deal with, and obviously the Dante
Corleone storyline has kind of taken over the summer. Is
is that right now? That position group maybe your biggest concern?

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
I think so, you know, I think that you know,
hopefully and we're still you know, taking it day by
day with Corley and he's he's working his butt off.

Speaker 9 (01:25:24):
I can tell you that. I mean, his his his numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
When you look at our catapultar system where we chart
our guys, he's really just like the rest of the guys.
So hopefully we're on track with him and we'll we'll
were very optimistic about that, and I think obviously our
defense is different when he's playing. There's no question about
that upfront, so you know, but when he's not been
practicing with our team in eleven or eleven reps and
so we've had a lot of different guys in there.

Speaker 9 (01:25:49):
You know, Cam Ruther, for is a guy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
That I feel like that you'll everybody will know his
name that once we start the season because he's a
guy that can is going to be able to fill
in for Dante at the nose position as well.

Speaker 8 (01:26:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
But I do think, as you mentioned, the defensive line
is probably one of the bigger question marks as we
look at it. You know, I think that we have
a lot of guys and a lot of bodies that
will be rotating in and out, but you know who
actually steps up and make plays.

Speaker 9 (01:26:12):
I mean that that remains to be seen.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
You see head coach Scott Caderfield with us because I
believe everything I read on the internet. The Internet tells
me you've made a decision about quarterback and it's going
to be soresby. I want to ask you about your
quarterback room as a whole, but you want to go
ahead and confirm that for me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
No, I mean, we're still we're still battling out, you know,
and you know, you know how the internet is, sometimes
things get thrown out there.

Speaker 9 (01:26:35):
It's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
I always believe everything you see on the internet, and
particularly now we're just political seasons, so there's a lot
of stuff getting.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Performed, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
So, But but those guys that have certainly had a
really good two weeks, they say, man, what a really
good room to be around.

Speaker 9 (01:26:51):
Love being around those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
All three guys have competed at a high level and
and made place.

Speaker 9 (01:26:56):
All three have made place, you know, with their.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Legs and their arms, and man, it's been.

Speaker 9 (01:27:01):
A really good two and a half weeks for the
quarterback room.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
You know, we're very fortunate here at Cincinnati to have
we feel like, three quality quarterbacks that if their numbers called,
they'll be they'll they'll be able to go out there
and move our offense. And that's exciting, you know, particularly
in this this day and age, when you have so
many quarterbacks in and out of rosters. To be able
to have three solid players, we feel very fortunate.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
I want to ask you about Lichtenberg first, because you know,
he's he's a guy that a lot of fans are
familiar with. And I came to Higher Ground last week
and when I got there, the very first thing that
someone said to me was, you got to watch Brady.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
You know, he's come leaves and bounds. So describe for us.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
Describe for us the player that you've seen over the
last few weeks relative to the guy that we have,
you know, come to know and be a part of
this program for a while.

Speaker 9 (01:27:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Yeah, I mean it's a joy to watch linked you
go out in and operate. He knows your offense inside
it out. And you know, he's a year, you know,
ahead of the other two guys, and so that that
certainly helped him as or as the mental aspect goes.

Speaker 9 (01:28:01):
I mean, he can direct traffic. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
I love watching him telling everybody what to do and
what they need to be doing on each particular play
if they need to. And but he's made he's made
great decisions this ball camp.

Speaker 9 (01:28:11):
You know, he's he's thrown the ball very well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
He just got more of a command of what we're
trying to do offensively, you know, and distributing the football
to the to the playmakers around him. So I just
think he's he's just gotten a lot better. I mean,
you know, shoot, I mean the experience that he gained
last year and he certainly has helped him this year.
And so to have him to be able to compete
in that quarterback room has certainly been a plus for
our team.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
With with Brendan, you were kind enough to join me
right when springball was getting underway and we talked about,
you know, some of the things you had seen on
tape from his days at Eye you relative to that
based on having gone through an entire offseason working with him,
what things have stood out?

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Yeah, I think you know, just this the quick release.
You know, he certainly can get rid of the football.
You know, when he sees the guy open it. There's
not much time wasted when the ball leaves his hand
and to the time he gets to the to the receiver.

Speaker 9 (01:29:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
So I think the one thing he's done very well
in the last two and a half weeks here at
camp is you know, taking care of the football. And
you obviously chart every throw with really all three guys,
I mean accuracy, decision making, complete some percentage touchdown interception ratio,
and you know, he's done.

Speaker 9 (01:29:20):
Very very well in that in that regard.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
The one thing that I think that our fans will
really notice too that you really can't see in camp
as much as the ability to take the ball down
and run and go make some plays.

Speaker 9 (01:29:32):
And these are unscheduled plays.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
These are plays that that you know, you call a
pass play and it's not there and it breaks down, Well,
he's going to be able to go get some first
downs and and but I think some touchdowns with his
legs for a guy that's two hundred and thirty pounds.
I mean he's very athletic and so you know, as
a well rounded quarterback, I mean, certainly it's very capable
of being winning our offense.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
You you bring back an offensive line that is, certainly
when it comes to opening up holes in the run game, terrific.
Think one of the questions a lot of folks had,
even Brad Glenn, your offensive coordinator, talked about this was
using camp to find out about our depth based on
how the last few weeks have unfolded, Are you happy
with your offensive line depth?

Speaker 9 (01:30:13):
Yeah? I am.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
You know, I think I think we've gotten, you know,
to where we got seven or eight guys that we
feel good about. You know, we've had a few deans
I think in that room as well, where guys have
missed a day or two and you know, so that
that kind of hurts you.

Speaker 9 (01:30:27):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
But I do believe you know, a guy like Phil
Wilder who's who didn't really start last year, but I
mean he's worked his way into the mix to be
a to be a starter at right tackle force. You know,
Deon buf started every snap there last year. I mean,
he's certainly going to be in the mix as well,
you know, But but having all five or six of
those guys that we consider all six really starters to

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be available to go play, and a guy like Jonathan
Harder and Evan Tanzdal who who's really come on. I mean,
those two guys we feel i can give us some
great minutes as.

Speaker 9 (01:30:58):
Well throughout this season.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
And then Juday Milan is another guy who's got great seat,
a guy who's three hundred pounds who can really move,
and it gives us another body there. So I mean
you're you're essentially looking at eight or nine guys that
we feel like we'll have an opportunity to play, but
certainly those top six, you know, can give us some
great minutes when they're out there. I mean it's one

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thing about, you know, having two or three returning stars
up front, but when you have six guys that that
that started for you last year on a team that
was the number five rushing team in the country, you
know that that experience I think is you know, one
of the top experience offensive lines in the country coming
back for college football this year, and.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
And you did run it so well last year. But
but there's improvement in every area. So what's what's the
next step in the evolution of that part of your offense?

Speaker 9 (01:31:44):
Yeah, I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Know, one of the negatives I thought up front was
our protection was not as good as it needed to
be at times, you know, when we when we had
to drop back and throw the football. You know, we
did give up some pressures and some socks there that
that we need to get better at. As one of
the things that we focused on this all season. It's
our past pro within that. I certainly think our guys
have gotten better obviously a year year, you know later

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and more experience there will help us. I also think
that the addition of the tight end room, you know,
we've you know, essentially got five new guys there kind
of totally revamped that room. That will help us not
only in catching the football for the tight end position,
but also in the protection aspect. I think that's going
to give us some more wrinkles that we can use
those guys in protection.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
All right, One more, I could spend all of our
time between now and next Saturday asking about individual new players.
I'll single out one because me being a resident of
the West side of Cincinnati. There's a lot of folks
who can't wait to watch Joe Royer in the Bearcat uniform.
Give us an idea of what he's going to add
to your team.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Man, he's been, you know a guy. If you watch
this practice, he certainly stands out. I mean when you
walk up to the practice field, I mean he looks,
he looks like you want him to look. It's a
question about it. But but then he you know what
he does. He also plays like you wanted to and
so he can he can block. He's got great size,
he's got soft hands, and he runs.

Speaker 9 (01:33:06):
Really really well for a big man. I'm excited about
Joe Royer. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
You know, he's the most gifted tight end that I've
been around in my coaching career. So we're we're excited
about what we're gonna be able to do with him.
He's smart also, so we can move him around, do
a lot of different things with him. And he's he's
something else. And so for him to be right here
from Cincinnati, to be able to go out here and
play and in front of his hometown fans is going

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to be a treat for our fans for sure, and
obviously for our football team because he's gonna make a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:33:36):
Of plays for us.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Awesome stuff, Coach. I cannot thank you enough for the
time you're always so generous with us. Enjoy what's left
of training camp and I guess the off season and
can't wait for next Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Good luck this year. Thanks so much.

Speaker 9 (01:33:49):
Yeah, really appreciate it, Joe beckatz Lee.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
We have a lot to accomplish. Between now and six o'clock.
We're gonna give away Green Day tickets. I'll just take
one contestant. Five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty.
It's for Thursday night, a gabp Let me just quickly
remind you it's Green Day, Smashing Pumpkins, Rancid and the
Linda Lindez.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
If that's not your jam, totally okay.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
Please don't try to win tickets if you have no
interest in going to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
But if you want to go to the.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
Show and you can't, you know you don't want to
buy tickets, we'll maybe give you a chance to win.
Five one three seven four nine, fifteen thirty and at
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You see basketball and non conference schedule out. Cincinnati opens
up the season November fourth with a tilt against Arkansas
Pine Bluff.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
All right, Terren, how are we on time? How are
we doing today?

Speaker 9 (01:35:28):
About?

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Nine minutes?

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
We got nine minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Here's what I'm going to do first, Okay, because he
got mad at me for not taking his call yesterday,
and we try to get to him every day because
you know, he's our buddy and he's going through a
lot and he's loyal.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Mike, I got like a minute here, what's on your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:35:46):
Yesterday, I don't remember that anyways, Thanks for putting me
on he you don't what oppressed me?

Speaker 9 (01:35:50):
A lot about the Royals.

Speaker 8 (01:35:52):
Well, they just seem like such.

Speaker 9 (01:35:54):
A solid team.

Speaker 11 (01:35:56):
Yeah, and I didn't know anything about Pascoratino. That guy's
a solid clutch hitter man.

Speaker 9 (01:36:01):
He ain't no joint, No, not at all either.

Speaker 11 (01:36:04):
That's a that's a solid, solid baseball team though.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
That's a well put together club.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
And Bobby Wood Junior is you know, plays in Kansas City,
so not a lot of people talk about him, and
he's you know, I was going to say he's in
the American League, so not a lot of people here
pay attention to him.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
But there's some truth to that. Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
That guy is the best player who's played the Reds
have played against on an individual basis this year.

Speaker 11 (01:36:27):
Yeah, I have to agree I should have the advantage
with with Anglelo pitching because you know, you know the
story first time around with rookies, if they're decent, they
usually had the advantage first time out right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
Reds needed a reliable four innings last night, and they
got it from him. He did his job, the bullpen
did it, and the bats woke up with like a
thousand doubles. Mike, I love talking to you. Will carve
you out more time tomorrow. Man I gotta run. Okay,
thank you, all right, good to tear, good to hear
from you, always as always do it?

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
But does that I am?

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
I am not acquitting myself. Well on National Radio Day,
all right, we have a contestant we have with this, Matt. Matt,
you want to go see Green Day on Thursday?

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
You want to answer some bad trivia questions about the
Bengals and Colts.

Speaker 9 (01:37:14):
Yeah, hopefully they're well.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
I think I think one of them's really hard. I
think the rest are pretty easy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
Are you ready?

Speaker 9 (01:37:21):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
You got to get three out of five correct? Tarn
play the music? You're ready to go?

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
All right? Matt? Is you likely a well known no? Well,
what am I doing? Matt? As you likely know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
When Peyton Manning was the Colts quarterback, he went seven
to zero against the Bengals. Bengals broke that seven game
losing streak. However, in twenty eleven, Peyton was not the quarterback.
Who was Who was indie starting quarterback that day in
twenty eleven when the Bengals beat him was an age
and sergeye b Curtis Painter or see Andrew.

Speaker 9 (01:37:53):
Luck Oh do do eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
I'm gonna say, was it Jim Sergey Arran?

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
It was not.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
It was Curtis Painter. That's okay, Matt. You gotta get
three of the next four, correct, Are you ready? Only
one man in the history of humankind has thrown a
pass in a regular season game for both the Bengals
and the Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Was it Paul Justin, Jay Schrader or Jeff Blake?

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Jeff Blake?

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Was a Jeff Blake Arran? It was not.

Speaker 9 (01:38:33):
That's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
People have come down in our game, come back from
down oh two before, So don't don't rule yourself out.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Ready, here we go. Question number three.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
The Bengals and Colts have played two playoff games against
each other. Only one Cincinnati player has scored a touchdown
combined across those two games. Only one Bengals player has
ever scored a touchdown in the playoffs against the Colts.
Was it a Jeremy Hill, b Jermaine Gresham or ced Giovanni?

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Benard my Way?

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
This is I will say Jeremy Hill.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Yes, Signe.

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
Jeremy Hill scored a touchdown in that twenty fourteen loss
in Indy, the first time they played at the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Bengals got shut out. All right, you're alive. Here's the
hard one. Here's the hard one.

Speaker 9 (01:39:25):
Oh great.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
Only two players played for both the Baltimore Colts and
the Bengals. One was Lyle Blackwood. The other was this
former Xavier musketeer, A John Sinners, B. George Wilson or C.
Mitch Dudak.

Speaker 6 (01:39:47):
Oh boy, I just that's the guests.

Speaker 9 (01:39:51):
I'm gonna go with B George Wilson.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Why don't you go with A. John Sinners?

Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
Okay, yeah, John Sinners.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
There they go.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
There we have no second con So John Center is
the last Xavier player to be an active NFL player
played for both the Baltimore Court, Baltimore Colts and the Bengals.
All right, we're being very charitable here. This Bengals assistant
coach here, you're very welcome. This current Bengals assistant coach
played in fifty two games with the Colts from two
thousand and two through two thousand and five. A Justin Hill,

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be Marion Hobby or C. Troy Walters.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
See Troy Walters. Is it's Cee Troy Walters?

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
Yes, Matt, congratulations, you're gonna go see Green Day. Thanks
to us being charitable Tony Pike.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Next. Hey, it's Maagger. There's only one.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
It's just a training camp report. Brook to you by
Skylight Chilly feeling good. It's Skyline Clive on the ESPN
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Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
One more check in this afternoon with Tony Pikey has
been checking.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Out Bengals Colts joint practice.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
Today as those two teams get set to play a
game on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
You know, I think naturally so.

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
Just given the personality of this team, giving your background,
we always start these reports by talking about Joe Burrow
quarterback play in the offense, and I think everybody has
a great interest in that stuff. But this team has
to get better on defense. We've seen some really good
things from that unit, specifically against the ones the Chicago
Bears put out there, which I guess speaks well to

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the Bengals depth. How did the defense do against the
Colts today?

Speaker 8 (01:41:27):
Defense? I thought played well today.

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
Mo.

Speaker 8 (01:41:29):
They did have a scare it. Miles Murphy went down
with a non contact injury. They were looking at his
knee for quite some time. They moved the drill, but
again it's speculation he got up and ended up walking
off under his own power. Now, you know, in training
camps past, if it was a significant injury, after the
training staff is evaluating, you would probably bring the cart

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out right away. So Miles Murphy, it's still something to
watch because he'd limped off the field, but he did
walk off the field under his own power. But everyone
kind of holding their breath. But if you follow along
with anything that Colts media was saying a practice today,
a lot we're saying this is easily the worst the
offense has looked all camp. Anthony Richardson and a couple
team drills was.

Speaker 9 (01:42:12):
Two for eight.

Speaker 8 (01:42:13):
And what I thought was a little more in my
point exciting to see is all the reports that the
Bengals had no problem letting the Colts know that they
were dominating them. Very adamant upfront, a lot of chirping
back and forth, which is easier to do when you're
dominating somebody else. But by all accounts, the Bengals defense

(01:42:33):
was great today. If you're keeping track of what we
have called quarterback number two battle for essentially the last
two weeks of practice, Dax Hill has been running with
the first team at a corner standpoint, and if that's
the case, that's a heck of a turnaround from early
on in camp because it's felt like Dax Hill was lost,
but he has gotten better and better and better. And

(01:42:53):
for two straight weeks now it's been Dax Hill with
the ones for lou Anarrumo's defense. So a lot of
positive on that side of the ball today.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
So I was gonna go there next.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
I mean, you know, Dax Hill, it kind of felt
like was in no man's land right after the draft
and as the off season unfolded and certainly giving a
chance to make the team, not make the team, but
but earn a gig and earned playing time as as
a cornerback, and it felt like for a while he
faced a really uphill battle.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
Boy, I tell you what it feels.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
Like on a daily basis, including what we've seen in
preseason games.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
He is he has made.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
A real, real, real clear bid to not just get
a lot of playing time, but be the starter.

Speaker 8 (01:43:36):
Yeah, and you know, I think there was a point
when Dax Hill was struggling. But the conversation was, it
feels like DJ Turner's winning because Dax Hill was struggling.
It wasn't like DJ Turner was dominating. Now when you
look at practice, it's a Dax Hill pass breakup. It's
another big play that he's gotten the ball down. It
just he's made bigger plays. DJ Turner had a defensive

(01:43:59):
pass interfere call against them to day. But I just
I think it shows the trust and the knowledge that
lu An Arumo and this staff had to say, Yeah,
he's probably gonna struggle at first. He's moving positions in
the NFL, corner is one of the hardest positions you
can play. They stuck with him, they gave him opportunities,
and he has. He's improved so much over the course

(01:44:21):
of training camp and with that mo, all of a sudden,
I think you've created a little more depth. I think
DJ Turner is a good piece at corner three. I
think Josh Newton has shown upside to be a fourth
corner on this team. Mike Kilton is still there. So
it does feel like during the course of this battle
they've also created a lot of depth for the cornerback room.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
Tony, thank you so much, Tony, back at it for
since he three to sixty and then live training camp
reports tomorrow three forty five, four forty five and five
forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Even though the Bengals don't play, we have to go.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
My thanks to Tarren Bland for producing, My thanks to
you for listening, and have an awesome night. We're back
at it tomorrow at three zero five on ESP and
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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