August 21, 2024 • 30 mins
All Things Bengals before their final preseason game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh time in primetime.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hello spikes the ball in the back of the etside.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Bengals and Colts top off their preseason schedule with a
furious four quarters and the Queen's sixty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Sixty three yards. The Magic is back.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
On last chance to get the Orange and Black ready
for a Super Bowl ruck backed the call from the
masters of the Mic Danhood and Dave lafa Coup. It
starts tomorrow at three on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official
home of the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
What's up, Good afternoon. I'm Maleger and this is ESPN
fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening, Thanks for.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
For being there. What do we have?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Bengals are not practicing today, but they have a game
tomorrow against the Colts. We have another round of a
training camp reports even though they're not doing anything today.
Tony is going to join us three forty five, four
forty five and five forty five, and I am going
to thank the Toronto Blue Jays. I'm gonna find something
to send the Toronto Blue Jays. We're going to get
to that a little bit later on, but first, our
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buddy Paul Danner Junior is here from the Athletic covering
the Cincinnati Bengals. The Growler podcast Balllls Don't Lie latest
edition out today.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yes it is out with me and you. Yeah, we
took a shot let's talk defense.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I mean, I feel like as much time as we
spend talking about this team every usually Tuesday for an
hour here you on my podcast throughout the off season,
I mean, we talk about a lot of weird stuff,
we go to a lot of odd places. We don't
go to the defense as much as you would think
all those things considered, and I thought, you know, that
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this was a perfect time to do it, coming off
of the Really, I thought the exclamation point of them
kind of be in the quiet storyline of this Bengals camp. Yeah,
of how good they inconsistent they've kind of been. So
it was fun to kind of delve into that and
dive deeper. And there's a lot to you know, lots
to talk about that well.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
And it's interesting because you know when camp started and
it's Jamar Chase is the story right, and obviously Joe
Burrow in his health and how's he doing and how's
he looking, that's a big story. I remember I came
back from vacation and I said, I'm gonna do something
you don't want me to do. I'm gonna take your
head and I'm gonna move your head over here, because
over here's the defense. And you know, let's be honest,
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mechanically speaking, this is a really big deal, and it's
it's important, and what's gonna happen on the field over
the next couple of weeks matters a lot. This is
one of the central storylines. And of course people didn't
want me touching their heads, but it did sort of
fly under the radar, at least at the early portion
of camp. And yet it's kind of taken hold of
one of the stories that so many good things have happened.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, I feel like pretty consistently you've seen them winning.
You've seen them at every at every step they've held up,
whether we're talking about you know, going up against Joe Burrow.
They've had probably one more than they've lost. They've made plays,
they've gotten turnovers, they have found some young players emerging.
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They went to the preseason game against Tampa and the
starters got a three and out and looked good, and
then you saw some of the depth there against Chicago
the next week where they looked. The two certainly looked
really good and shutting down Kayler Williams despite what happened
when he had one good throw against the threes, Kayla
Williams was great. That's totally separate that in those plays.
But let's be honest, that was really encouraging for the
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Bengals depth there. The defense did really well in the
joint practice against Chicago and in the rain, and then
you come back here against the Colts and Anthon Richardson
can't compete a ball and now they're talking trash.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
They were feeling themselves a little that's eerily reminiscent of
days of old, where they weren't yelling at each other.
They were yelling at the other team and kind of
taunting a little bit. And that's a little bit of
what you you remember from this defense. And so as
they've gone through this whole camp, they've just kind of
checked box is off and uh and And while everyone's
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been talking about everything else, Luanna Romo's group has been
rebuilding itself and to be honest, really mad and a
chip on their shoulder about last year and not in
like the weird cliche way, like they're just mad, they're
embarrassed by what happened last year, and there's a there's
a never again attitude that you hear when you talk
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to them about how they've approached this season. I think
that's kind of been apparent with some of the intensity
you've seen from them throughout camp and and now into
what's going to be the regular season.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Around the corner, yeah, I mean, as as dreadful as
the game Saturday became as it unfolded, and and then
you know, we got to a point where it's Rocky
Lombardi and I'm kind of done. But for a chunk
of the afternoon, I was really excited about what I
was watching from Low's unit. Yeah, acknowledging that a lot
of those guys obviously aren't aren't starters, it was really encouraging,
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really encouraging, well, because the depth was something that we've
focused so much on against ones.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, like and then a team full of ones that
might be pretty good.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, And and there's there's a lot of guys that
you know, you sit here and you're like, man, did
Josh Newton just have a one on one rep against
DJ Moore on a third down and own him?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Essentially?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
He was blanketed and knocked it down, and Newton had
his ups and downs, and he's a rookie or whatever,
but that's a high flash like that might be the
best individual rep by any member of this rookie class
throughout the entire camp in preseason. I mean to to
make you remember that stuff you don't forget when you're
looking for flashes. Right now, stuff like that is happening,
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and so you know, they have invested heavily in the
depth here. They have a lot of high picks that
are not starting. They have guys they have paid that
are not necessarily in full roles are starting, and so
you you have a lot of those guys that are
gonna need to be the next wave for this team,
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and probably it's be honest, be the guys that are
gonna need to get him through December and January, because
that's how this this goes. And Uh, to see that
I think was super encouraging, uh, for for where they're
at right now.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, no, I mean, and you talked about this a
little bit on the podcast today, the very quick ascension
of daxx Hill from a guy who in the middle
of the offseason we were talking about like you know,
is the light bulb gonna come on? And is it
gonna come on in time for him to be a
factor this year to now? Like, not only might he
be a starter, I'm excited about how that might play
out as well.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, I mean we.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Were wondering if it's gonna be too big of an ask, right,
and like even though he was a first round pick,
it's you know, it just takes a while to learn it.
And you got to talk to lu An Rimo for
a little while about this yesterday and he sort of said, yeah,
I mean, it is a process and instincts for on
the outside. He's still gonna have to pick up those
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and and and learn some of those. But everything else
that you've seen, he keeps making plays. He just keeps
looking the part, and they have allowed him to look
the part because he's been the starter for number for
a couple of weeks. Now. I mean, DJ Turner hasn't
sent the first team, and so it's it's over as
far as it appears right now. I mean, after especially
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after that joint practice where Dax was tested a lot
and continued to look good, it feels like it's his
job and and he earned it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And that's that's the.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Thing that the puzzle just looks so much better when
you have a Dax Hill becoming a real number two.
You love DJ Man, you love DJ Turner is your
fourth corner, and you love Josh Newton fifth corner. If
you have real cut and you like Cam Taylor Britage
your one. But you need to know that you feel
like you have conference in that too, and that's still
a projection, but you know, to see what you've seen there,
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it makes it feel like the whole secondary fits together
so much better now if if he can be what
he kind of has shown that is that he can
be throughout camp, and.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I just feel like there's a ton of upside. Oh yeah,
and maybe it's maybe it's not realized this year because
of the youth, but I just I look at the
the perfect you know, just if you fold the safeties
into the conversation, the perfect combo of a guy in
Von Bell who just does everything right, a reliable slot
guy in Mike Hilton you know what he is, and
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ascending player in Geno Stone, and then you know early
round draft choices at the corner spots who have shown flashes.
You know, we all expect a big year from Cam
Taylor Britt. That's something you and I talked about today,
Like it's it really feels like the perfect combination if
you're trying to do a one to eighty from what
you were last.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Year back there.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, and so much of that, you know, guys playing
above their level instead of regressing, comes back to, you know,
some of the things that you mentioned, like just feeling
like they're playing confident and having an understanding, and that
goes back to Von Bell. I mean, we go back
to you know what we talked about, what are the
camp battles going to be a month ago and Jordan
(09:01):
battle versus Von Bell? Is that going to be a thing.
It's never once been a thing because the one thing
that everyone agrees upon is that von Bell has made
everyone so much more comfortable in the way that he
is communicating and that it has made a big difference
every day out there. And they've seen that grow not
only with him and Geno Stone, but with the linebackers
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in front of them and with even the defensive line
and just that communication keeping everybody so much more confident.
I mean, the terms that's been used to me a
lot is we just were playing in chaos. Last year,
every game felt like chaos, and now it just feels
he said, he said, I'm here to create peace and
then violence, but peace and calm, so everyone feels like
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they know exactly what's going on and can just go
play and be themselves. And that is how you get
young players to take the next step to play at
the level that they're physically capable of while they're finding
an environment that they're comfortable with mentally. And so I
just I think it sets up for that things can
go awry and you never know what the heck's gonna
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happen when you get out there for the real thing.
But I just think it's been a really really encouraging
month in general for the defense and specifically for a
few of the guys we just talked about.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Do you know what the four greatest words you've ever
written in an article are?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The preseason is over? Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Do you know what the second best four words you've
ever written in any piece that you've published? You know
what those four words are? According to Moegar, No, although
that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Do you know what the third? The third greatest?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You wrote four words that I've been looking for okay,
I'll tell you what they are when we come back.
He's Paul Danner Junior, following him on X at Paul
Danner Junior. It's a quarter after three on Moeger. Paul's
here and way of up. But Tony cutting your time
short again at three forty five. It takes trying to
take me down. I don't like personal for the majority
of the four o'clock hour, I'm here, toll six. Glad
you're with us today on ESPN fifteen three, Cincinnati Sports Station,
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Speaker 2 (11:11):
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Speaker 3 (11:15):
While I'm on the air tomorrow you have an event,
go ahead and promote it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh wow, that is that is really that is really nice. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
No, we'll be uh from well at four o'clock. Yeah,
for for about an hour.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
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Speaker 4 (11:29):
Right when we're starting hour number two, Right when you're
starting our number two.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
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That's what you want. I don't care.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
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Speaker 3 (11:45):
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a ton of fun. We had a great time to
one the last one game, and we're gonna be doing
a bunch of these this year and this is the
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next one of them. A game itself kicks off at
eight o'clock. Eight Yeah, it's always four hours before the game.
We're not doing any of the one o'clock games because
nine am feels a touch early, okay, but any of
the non to one o'clocks this year we're pretty much
doing and we'll be there four hours before kickoff.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go over under games over at
ten forty one. Do you remember that game two years
ago Bengals vat Rams, the finale that bad Boy was played.
It felt like a current Major League Baseball game. Yeah,
that thing was over in like two hours and twenty
five minutes.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I think they felt like if they played that fast enough,
fl wouldn't look any more into the joint practice, wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That it happened.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
So like maybe they maybe they won't find the video
or even remember that this was ever a thing. If
we just try not to make this game be long enough,
I mean, this is this is a great time to
practice your run offense. And yes, that's what this needs
to be. There seems to be a lot of run plays.
Get out there and grind down.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And practice like getting into the huddle, you know, communicate
where's everybody going to be coming out of the huddle.
You know, and then get to the line of scrimmage,
you know, make sure do the pre snap stuff, hand
the ball off. And I think that's a good idea.
I see no reason to pass. Four greatest words you've
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ever written came on the heels of yesterday's joint practice.
I mean that there's been some angst about Joe there
has the glove.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
The glove.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I expected an expose into the glove. Yeah, maybe one
of your colleagues or peers.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Can do that.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And and so, you know, just a little uneasy, just
a touch, not full ball play, just a little honey.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And then yesterday I read your dispatch from the joint
practice and you typed or wrote quote Burrow looked the part. Yeah,
it's all I wanted to hear. Yeah, it's all I need.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I think generally, like we can speculate about gloves, and
we can talk about you know, bad practice here or
what happened Chicago in the rain, and we can make
Burrovers the rain jokes, and we can do all that stuff.
And in general, over the course of this last month,
I've seen Joe Burrow make everything I need to every
throw I need to see him make.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
If you take the entire entirety of everything, tired of
everything that he has done, everything I've seen that there's
no box.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I feel like he didn't check. And if you tell
me that that he's checked every box in terms of
what he can do and played, you know, really well
yesterday and made a lot of really nice throws and
one that I specifically highlighted in this piece that was
one that I've been waiting to see for a long time,
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which was a sort of really deep out to t
Higgins in a tight window, just on an absolute rope.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's the type of high velocity throw you.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Want to see him be able to rare back because
he knows he has to to get it there and
be able to do it every throw.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I feel like you've wanted to see him do He's done.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And if you know that about that guy, then you
trust when it's time to go out there and play
for real, like he's going to have everything he needs
and be just fine. Nobody can say anything for certain
about this risk over the course of the long haul
of the season. We knew that before it started, but
you did want to say that you saw that he's
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done everything that he normally does. Do I want to
see him taking a glove on and off and blowing
into it and like doing all that.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Not particularly right.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I don't understand necessarily what that is, and I have
PTSD from last year from anything compression sleeve or glove
or whatever. But that said, I can only go by
what my eyes tell me when I watch him play
the game. And when I watch him play the game,
I see him making the throws that you want to
see him make. And that's that's enough for me, you know,
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And maybe it's not enough for some other people. But
I you know, what do we know about him as
a normal camp? Who've never seen him in a normal camp?
This is the most normal one. Maybe that's just how
he ramps up. Yeah, Like, maybe that's just part of
it getting going. I've seen him be up and down
in the first and second game of the season, so
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perhaps that plays in the same way as he builds chemistry.
Or perhaps it's a little hard to run offense sometimes
when Kwame Lassiter and Kendrick Pryor are trying to win
one on once, which is what it's been for some
part of it. And that's no disrespect to them, they're
just there's some practice squad guys going against a really
salty first scene defense a lot. This Camp all of
that to me, says Joe Burrow has looked the part
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and kind of shown, I think what you would want
to see, with Tuesday being kind of the last final
piece of that.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I had like three questions here related I think we
kind of answered one. Most encouraging thing about Camp would
just be the overall performance and development of the.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Defense I think, so okay, yeah, yeah, I would agree
with that. Most surprising thing about Camp how quickly Amarus
Mims looked like a dude. And that's something we documented
and talked about early a lot, so I don't want
to like over extend on that point, but that's surprising. Yeah,
I Mean, this was supposed to be raw inexperienced guy
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with barely any college tape, and like, can you even
evaluate he looks good when he's out there, but he
hardly played and he has you know, everything that you
heard of though I don't know about him was kind
of debunked instantly, from his personality to the way he
played to where you're like, yeah, that guy's just starting
right tackle immediately and that's it was a bit of
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a surprise. Would say, when you when you consider what
we were saying about him before, what has.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Been the most disappointing thing that has unfolded over the
last few weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I mean, the whole Jamar saga is disappointing, just because
you you want to feel that momentum offensively, everybody's out
there and he and and just that, Okay, here they
go like big Year. Everybody's on board, and it's kind
of hung over everything. Yeah, exactly. And it hasn't necessarily
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hindered a ton. I'm sure there's a lot of scheme
stuff they'd like to be doing with Jamar right now,
and I'm sure it would be better if Jamar was
like really ramping up in full shape. But I don't
have as much a problem with that other than it's
just been kind of like it's kind of sapped some
of the momentum sure at the end, and the feel
of everything. So that's that's probably the most disappointing aspect,
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even though that's a much broader answer, probably than you
were looking for. I think I think it's probably the
most disappointing aspect.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
You think we're talking about the same thing with him
a week from now.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, Yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Feels like something that's going to roll over into that
first week, right, it's like Labor Day, yeah, you know,
and I always it's about me, right sure, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Not being able to enjoy Labor Day weekends.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And last weekend was having the same you know, when
you're staring at the beers in front of you and
you're like, well, I've had three, you know, and you're like,
are these accessible to me with Jamar situation hanging out
there or do I need to like be thinking about
that to pace you that no one wants that in
the back of their head on Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, So this is this is how I've kind of
framed it in my mind, similar to this past Saturday.
You know, we we had some some people over and
we're at the pool and I look at my phone
and I'm the guy that has to walk over and
say Hunter Green on the injury list. Yeah right yeah,
and you're just like, man, I want to forget that.
I envision on Labor Day mey being the guy who's like, hey,
the Jamar chase things done?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah? Right?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And then it's it's a different feel. It's a it's
a different vibe that.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Would I would sign me up for that. That'd be okay,
that would be that would be great. I think you
I think you take that for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean, I mean, I just I my No, I
don't think anybody can say anything for certain. My gut
still is that it doesn't get done. And he plays
week one that's still no deal, and he plays against
no deal and he plays week one, that's my gut
on it. Okay, Now again that's I still contend all
anyone really has his gut right now. Sure, even Jamar
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Chase doesn't know what he's gonna do, and the Bengals
don't know how this is going to play out. But
I still think that that's where this thing ends.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
How And I don't want to spend we don't have
a lot of time. I don't want to spend it
all on Jamar Chase. How significant was it that he
got on the plane and went to Chicago.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
After going a day? Yeah, that that didn't become a thing?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Yeah that that the one day away didn't become Oh
now he's just away.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Uh yeah, No, I think that.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
And you know he's out there, he's he's running routes
in seclusion, right, I mean, he's doing he's doing his
getting ready thing when no one's watching. So I just
are those are positive signs?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Okay? Very good.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
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Speaker 2 (22:30):
Who had that?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
So, Miles Murphy, I wrote that down, yes, but I
didn't want to say it in front of you.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I'll say it.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I wrote Rapine, Yeah, that's my guy. Absolutely, Yeah, Rapine
was first. Absolute then everybody. I didn't want to say
that with you here, It's okay. I don't I'm young,
because then what didn't you have it first?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Then it's one of THEO and I didn't want to.
I don't get I don't get super involves to be weird.
I don't get super involved. I know you, James, James
crushes it. Yeah, no, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Uh. Are you willing to admit you were wrong about
Matt Lee.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Lee?
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Come vote yes, I was not wrong about Matt Lee.
My point last week was that I'm not going to
put somebody who had to that point only slightly rotated
in with the two's and played a cup what a
dozen snaps in the fourth quarter behind Trey Hill ahead
of him in my fifty three, he needed to do
(23:24):
something like, oh, I don't know, play the entire game
against the Bears and do well, Like that's how you
hop somebody that was he was given that opportunity that,
you know, I still I do love.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I do love the.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Groundswell of of Matt Lee for the Hall of Fame
Hall of Famer, and that's you know, it's it. I
think he's a cool story and what he's done is
really really fun and really exciting like that, there's no
doubt about that. But because he's he's come from off
the map. I'm from a guy that what didn't get
a wasn't getting even one rep with the twos until
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he came in in the fourth quarter of that game
against the Bucks to now being you know, certified, absolutely
going to be the backup to Ted Harris and probably
saying goodbye to Trey Hill.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Is a nice week. Yeah, Yeah, he's a happy camper.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I've talked to him a couple of times in the
last week and he's a he's having a good time
right as he should be.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And for those who don't know, you did your original
your fifty three man roster projection last week, which was
a reflection of what you had seen in practice, as
you said, follow the reps, he wasn't getting second team reps.
And then he goes out there and he plays sixty
plus naps against the Bears and played terrific.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It started to change right after I put that out
because that week in practice they rotated him in and
some with the twos, not all who's still him and
Trey Hill rotating, and then they gave him the full
shot there and he played well against Chicago.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
What is between now and week one, beyond the Jamar
Chase thing, What is left to be solved, what's left
to be figured out?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Not much. It feels pretty straightforward. I feel like.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
There's there's not a ton happening beyond the top fifty three.
I don't feel like there's a lot there that you're like,
oh man, look at all this. It feels pretty cut
and dry, and their roster's pretty cut and dry. There's
a lot of people that you know the plan for
and and that have been around and and are high picks,
so you know they're gonna be in a position to play.
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There's there's not a ton happening there. And I think
the offensive line coming into focus over the last week
was the last thing. You know, we Nick Kirkland Ford Lee. Yeah,
like those are the those are the last guys that
you had to kind of figure out where that was
going to land. I think you know what that nine.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Tomorrow, NaN's Jackson Carman Swansong. It will be how many?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I mean you think he'll go out in this a
hal of false starts, like just as a way to
go out.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I think that's Yeah. I think they should have a
pre game ceremony for him.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It's tough, it's what it's a It's been a rough
run for seventy nine here and but yeah, I do
think that.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
This will be the end. Punter Battle's not settled, you know,
it's not.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
But Ryan Rico has not taken it. Yeah, in fact,
he's kind of handed it back to Brad Robbins more
than anything.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It felt like Saturday was if he has a clean game,
it's his if you know he could.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Go grab it, Yeah, didn't at all.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And I think they were pretty happy with what they'd
seen from Robbins to that point, and obviously as the
hip flexor injury, but I think it's so of its
depending on how quickly he comes back from that and
how he looks or whatever. But I'd lean it towards
Robins at this point.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
If they were to get a veteran player post cutdown day,
and obviously the player has to match what they need
and positions, but if if they were to look at
a specific area for a veteran, what would the what
would the first place on the team be, what would
the first position group be?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
That position would be the Samaj p Ryan role and
they'd fill it with Samaj.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Because they still haven't done that, right.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah, No, I am still very much of the mind
that Samaj p Ran is going to be a Bengal
as some in some way, shape or form, whether it's
via trade or cut and pick up. He just appears
to be on the outs in Denver, and especially with
the Chris Evans injury, it's like, or you know, right,
you're right back where you want him to be as
that third running back, third down back guy, like you.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Can have him in the rotation. So that to me
is one.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I still think if there's a way to acquire a
bigger defensive tackle, they have to be looking into that.
And you know, think of crazy things happen this time
of year. Billie Price was traded for bj Hill around
this time of year. Yes, Reggie Nelson was acquired for
David Jones.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Like thing.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
This is one of the few times of the year
the Bengals actually do trade, and it's usually with somebody
that they know they're going to cut and they try
to acquire something in a position of defensive tackle, a
bigger guy. Just with with the McKinley Jackson injury hanging
out there, what do you can even get how much
did that Halt hit? What he could even get from
him for a rookie year. I think you have to
be looking into that if somebody is available and another
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team needs something that you're going to discover.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
It was at least nicer to see nice to see
Chris Jenkins play better than he did in his first game.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, lou and Arumo I talked to him about it,
and he was he, you know, likes where Chris Jenkins
is at and even as a run stopper, he's like,
you know, it's adjusting to double teams in the NFL
is a deal, and that's the thing you got to learn.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And he's learning that, he said.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
But you know, you you see it, and I still
feel like he's in a good place to be part
of the rotation.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Uh, all right, if Jake Browning, if the Bengals the
game tomorrow night, if it counted, would Jake Browning be active?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Would he be the number two?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
If this was if this was a game one and
they had to have him, I think he'd play.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
He's okay, Yeah, well I don't want him to play,
but he would be active in a uniform just in
case he would be the number two. Yeah, I think so, okay,
So that rib issue that I was fretting about.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Just being careful to make sure there's a zero reason
to mess with it. Just make sure he's all the
way healthy and back.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
In case you need him any I mean, you could
do quickly like a Jackson Carmen poster bobblehead is like, and.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Just there's gotta be some of those laying around in
the back room from the year they draft.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
They could have like Frank Pollock make a speech, you know,
and just everyone goes around like you know, a fan cam.
Everyone goes around and talks about their favorite moment of
the Jackson Carmen area.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
The Bengals social media team is awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You can get, like you know, some players to sort
of talk about, like why I tell you what? Man,
Just I'm gonna tell my kids. I got a chance
to go through training camp with Jackson Carmen. It may
be fun.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Just slow motion of every rep from that from the
playoffs that year that he didn't that he didn't lose,
just looking great.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I love it all right, Uh, have a good time
tomorrow night. Yeah, I will, I will.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I'll tell people maybe maybe when we if we take
a break or when we're done, to make sure they
flip it onto.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah. Hey, we're gonna stop talking for a second. Now,
let's go see what nonsense mo is spewing.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Let's do that. Four o'clock tomorrow. Four o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yep, right downtown at bet MGM Sportsbook Nation Kitchen.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
But were back on Tuesdays next week? As are we
back on normal?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Uh yeah, we'll be right in the cutdown cut down
next Tuesday at four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Oh man, wow. One of one of the most anticipated shows.
I think we've done this before. We have, We've done
this for for a while. Up right up against it.
I can't wait. Good?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
All right, Paul Danner Junior, follow him on x at
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and The Growler Podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Thank you as always. Tony Pike joins us.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Next.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Hey, it's Maager dealing with an urgent orthopedic injury. Just
walk into ortho
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
What's up, Good afternoon. I'm Maleger and this is ESPN
fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening, Thanks for.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
For being there. What do we have?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Bengals are not practicing today, but they have a game
tomorrow against the Colts. We have another round of a
training camp reports even though they're not doing anything today.
Tony is going to join us three forty five, four
forty five and five forty five, and I am going
to thank the Toronto Blue Jays. I'm gonna find something
to send the Toronto Blue Jays. We're going to get
to that a little bit later on, but first, our
(01:05):
buddy Paul Danner Junior is here from the Athletic covering
the Cincinnati Bengals. The Growler podcast Balllls Don't Lie latest
edition out today.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yes it is out with me and you. Yeah, we
took a shot let's talk defense.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I mean, I feel like as much time as we
spend talking about this team every usually Tuesday for an
hour here you on my podcast throughout the off season,
I mean, we talk about a lot of weird stuff,
we go to a lot of odd places. We don't
go to the defense as much as you would think
all those things considered, and I thought, you know, that
(01:43):
this was a perfect time to do it, coming off
of the Really, I thought the exclamation point of them
kind of be in the quiet storyline of this Bengals camp. Yeah,
of how good they inconsistent they've kind of been. So
it was fun to kind of delve into that and
dive deeper. And there's a lot to you know, lots
to talk about that well.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
And it's interesting because you know when camp started and
it's Jamar Chase is the story right, and obviously Joe
Burrow in his health and how's he doing and how's
he looking, that's a big story. I remember I came
back from vacation and I said, I'm gonna do something
you don't want me to do. I'm gonna take your
head and I'm gonna move your head over here, because
over here's the defense. And you know, let's be honest,
(02:21):
mechanically speaking, this is a really big deal, and it's
it's important, and what's gonna happen on the field over
the next couple of weeks matters a lot. This is
one of the central storylines. And of course people didn't
want me touching their heads, but it did sort of
fly under the radar, at least at the early portion
of camp. And yet it's kind of taken hold of
one of the stories that so many good things have happened.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, I feel like pretty consistently you've seen them winning.
You've seen them at every at every step they've held up,
whether we're talking about you know, going up against Joe Burrow.
They've had probably one more than they've lost. They've made plays,
they've gotten turnovers, they have found some young players emerging.
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They went to the preseason game against Tampa and the
starters got a three and out and looked good, and
then you saw some of the depth there against Chicago
the next week where they looked. The two certainly looked
really good and shutting down Kayler Williams despite what happened
when he had one good throw against the threes, Kayla
Williams was great. That's totally separate that in those plays.
But let's be honest, that was really encouraging for the
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Bengals depth there. The defense did really well in the
joint practice against Chicago and in the rain, and then
you come back here against the Colts and Anthon Richardson
can't compete a ball and now they're talking trash.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
They were feeling themselves a little that's eerily reminiscent of
days of old, where they weren't yelling at each other.
They were yelling at the other team and kind of
taunting a little bit. And that's a little bit of
what you you remember from this defense. And so as
they've gone through this whole camp, they've just kind of
checked box is off and uh and And while everyone's
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been talking about everything else, Luanna Romo's group has been
rebuilding itself and to be honest, really mad and a
chip on their shoulder about last year and not in
like the weird cliche way, like they're just mad, they're
embarrassed by what happened last year, and there's a there's
a never again attitude that you hear when you talk
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to them about how they've approached this season. I think
that's kind of been apparent with some of the intensity
you've seen from them throughout camp and and now into
what's going to be the regular season.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Around the corner, yeah, I mean, as as dreadful as
the game Saturday became as it unfolded, and and then
you know, we got to a point where it's Rocky
Lombardi and I'm kind of done. But for a chunk
of the afternoon, I was really excited about what I
was watching from Low's unit. Yeah, acknowledging that a lot
of those guys obviously aren't aren't starters, it was really encouraging,
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really encouraging, well, because the depth was something that we've
focused so much on against ones.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, like and then a team full of ones that
might be pretty good.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, And and there's there's a lot of guys that
you know, you sit here and you're like, man, did
Josh Newton just have a one on one rep against
DJ Moore on a third down and own him?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Essentially?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
He was blanketed and knocked it down, and Newton had
his ups and downs, and he's a rookie or whatever,
but that's a high flash like that might be the
best individual rep by any member of this rookie class
throughout the entire camp in preseason. I mean to to
make you remember that stuff you don't forget when you're
looking for flashes. Right now, stuff like that is happening,
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and so you know, they have invested heavily in the
depth here. They have a lot of high picks that
are not starting. They have guys they have paid that
are not necessarily in full roles are starting, and so
you you have a lot of those guys that are
gonna need to be the next wave for this team,
(05:59):
and probably it's be honest, be the guys that are
gonna need to get him through December and January, because
that's how this this goes. And Uh, to see that
I think was super encouraging, uh, for for where they're
at right now.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, no, I mean, and you talked about this a
little bit on the podcast today, the very quick ascension
of daxx Hill from a guy who in the middle
of the offseason we were talking about like you know,
is the light bulb gonna come on? And is it
gonna come on in time for him to be a
factor this year to now? Like, not only might he
be a starter, I'm excited about how that might play
out as well.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, I mean we.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Were wondering if it's gonna be too big of an ask, right,
and like even though he was a first round pick,
it's you know, it just takes a while to learn it.
And you got to talk to lu An Rimo for
a little while about this yesterday and he sort of said, yeah,
I mean, it is a process and instincts for on
the outside. He's still gonna have to pick up those
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and and and learn some of those. But everything else
that you've seen, he keeps making plays. He just keeps
looking the part, and they have allowed him to look
the part because he's been the starter for number for
a couple of weeks. Now. I mean, DJ Turner hasn't
sent the first team, and so it's it's over as
far as it appears right now. I mean, after especially
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after that joint practice where Dax was tested a lot
and continued to look good, it feels like it's his
job and and he earned it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And that's that's the.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Thing that the puzzle just looks so much better when
you have a Dax Hill becoming a real number two.
You love DJ Man, you love DJ Turner is your
fourth corner, and you love Josh Newton fifth corner. If
you have real cut and you like Cam Taylor Britage
your one. But you need to know that you feel
like you have conference in that too, and that's still
a projection, but you know, to see what you've seen there,
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it makes it feel like the whole secondary fits together
so much better now if if he can be what
he kind of has shown that is that he can
be throughout camp, and.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I just feel like there's a ton of upside. Oh yeah,
and maybe it's maybe it's not realized this year because
of the youth, but I just I look at the
the perfect you know, just if you fold the safeties
into the conversation, the perfect combo of a guy in
Von Bell who just does everything right, a reliable slot
guy in Mike Hilton you know what he is, and
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ascending player in Geno Stone, and then you know early
round draft choices at the corner spots who have shown flashes.
You know, we all expect a big year from Cam
Taylor Britt. That's something you and I talked about today,
Like it's it really feels like the perfect combination if
you're trying to do a one to eighty from what
you were last.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Year back there.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, and so much of that, you know, guys playing
above their level instead of regressing, comes back to, you know,
some of the things that you mentioned, like just feeling
like they're playing confident and having an understanding, and that
goes back to Von Bell. I mean, we go back
to you know what we talked about, what are the
camp battles going to be a month ago and Jordan
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battle versus Von Bell? Is that going to be a thing.
It's never once been a thing because the one thing
that everyone agrees upon is that von Bell has made
everyone so much more comfortable in the way that he
is communicating and that it has made a big difference
every day out there. And they've seen that grow not
only with him and Geno Stone, but with the linebackers
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in front of them and with even the defensive line
and just that communication keeping everybody so much more confident.
I mean, the terms that's been used to me a
lot is we just were playing in chaos. Last year,
every game felt like chaos, and now it just feels
he said, he said, I'm here to create peace and
then violence, but peace and calm, so everyone feels like
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they know exactly what's going on and can just go
play and be themselves. And that is how you get
young players to take the next step to play at
the level that they're physically capable of while they're finding
an environment that they're comfortable with mentally. And so I
just I think it sets up for that things can
go awry and you never know what the heck's gonna
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happen when you get out there for the real thing.
But I just think it's been a really really encouraging
month in general for the defense and specifically for a
few of the guys we just talked about.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Do you know what the four greatest words you've ever
written in an article are?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The preseason is over? Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Do you know what the second best four words you've
ever written in any piece that you've published? You know
what those four words are? According to Moegar, No, although
that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Do you know what the third? The third greatest?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
You wrote four words that I've been looking for okay,
I'll tell you what they are when we come back.
He's Paul Danner Junior, following him on X at Paul
Danner Junior. It's a quarter after three on Moeger. Paul's
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short again at three forty five. It takes trying to
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Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'm gonna do this because I'm I'm a good friend.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
While I'm on the air tomorrow you have an event,
go ahead and promote it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh wow, that is that is really that is really nice. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
No, we'll be uh from well at four o'clock. Yeah,
for for about an hour.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
We'll be down at.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Right when we're starting hour number two, Right when you're
starting our number two.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
People can listen to yours. I don't even can. You
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That's what you want. I don't care.
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Uh.
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one the last one game, and we're gonna be doing
a bunch of these this year and this is the
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next one of them. A game itself kicks off at
eight o'clock. Eight Yeah, it's always four hours before the game.
We're not doing any of the one o'clock games because
nine am feels a touch early, okay, but any of
the non to one o'clocks this year we're pretty much
doing and we'll be there four hours before kickoff.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go over under games over at
ten forty one. Do you remember that game two years
ago Bengals vat Rams, the finale that bad Boy was played.
It felt like a current Major League Baseball game. Yeah,
that thing was over in like two hours and twenty
five minutes.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I think they felt like if they played that fast enough,
fl wouldn't look any more into the joint practice, wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That it happened.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
So like maybe they maybe they won't find the video
or even remember that this was ever a thing. If
we just try not to make this game be long enough,
I mean, this is this is a great time to
practice your run offense. And yes, that's what this needs
to be. There seems to be a lot of run plays.
Get out there and grind down.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And practice like getting into the huddle, you know, communicate
where's everybody going to be coming out of the huddle.
You know, and then get to the line of scrimmage,
you know, make sure do the pre snap stuff, hand
the ball off. And I think that's a good idea.
I see no reason to pass. Four greatest words you've
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ever written came on the heels of yesterday's joint practice.
I mean that there's been some angst about Joe there
has the glove.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
The glove.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I expected an expose into the glove. Yeah, maybe one
of your colleagues or peers.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Can do that.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And and so, you know, just a little uneasy, just
a touch, not full ball play, just a little honey.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And then yesterday I read your dispatch from the joint
practice and you typed or wrote quote Burrow looked the part. Yeah,
it's all I wanted to hear. Yeah, it's all I need.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I think generally, like we can speculate about gloves, and
we can talk about you know, bad practice here or
what happened Chicago in the rain, and we can make
Burrovers the rain jokes, and we can do all that stuff.
And in general, over the course of this last month,
I've seen Joe Burrow make everything I need to every
throw I need to see him make.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
If you take the entire entirety of everything, tired of
everything that he has done, everything I've seen that there's
no box.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I feel like he didn't check. And if you tell
me that that he's checked every box in terms of
what he can do and played, you know, really well
yesterday and made a lot of really nice throws and
one that I specifically highlighted in this piece that was
one that I've been waiting to see for a long time,
(15:03):
which was a sort of really deep out to t
Higgins in a tight window, just on an absolute rope.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's the type of high velocity throw you.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Want to see him be able to rare back because
he knows he has to to get it there and
be able to do it every throw.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I feel like you've wanted to see him do He's done.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And if you know that about that guy, then you
trust when it's time to go out there and play
for real, like he's going to have everything he needs
and be just fine. Nobody can say anything for certain
about this risk over the course of the long haul
of the season. We knew that before it started, but
you did want to say that you saw that he's
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done everything that he normally does. Do I want to
see him taking a glove on and off and blowing
into it and like doing all that.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Not particularly right.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I don't understand necessarily what that is, and I have
PTSD from last year from anything compression sleeve or glove
or whatever. But that said, I can only go by
what my eyes tell me when I watch him play
the game. And when I watch him play the game,
I see him making the throws that you want to
see him make. And that's that's enough for me, you know,
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And maybe it's not enough for some other people. But
I you know, what do we know about him as
a normal camp? Who've never seen him in a normal camp?
This is the most normal one. Maybe that's just how
he ramps up. Yeah, Like, maybe that's just part of
it getting going. I've seen him be up and down
in the first and second game of the season, so
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perhaps that plays in the same way as he builds chemistry.
Or perhaps it's a little hard to run offense sometimes
when Kwame Lassiter and Kendrick Pryor are trying to win
one on once, which is what it's been for some
part of it. And that's no disrespect to them, they're
just there's some practice squad guys going against a really
salty first scene defense a lot. This Camp all of
that to me, says Joe Burrow has looked the part
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and kind of shown, I think what you would want
to see, with Tuesday being kind of the last final
piece of that.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I had like three questions here related I think we
kind of answered one. Most encouraging thing about Camp would
just be the overall performance and development of the.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Defense I think, so okay, yeah, yeah, I would agree
with that. Most surprising thing about Camp how quickly Amarus
Mims looked like a dude. And that's something we documented
and talked about early a lot, so I don't want
to like over extend on that point, but that's surprising. Yeah,
I Mean, this was supposed to be raw inexperienced guy
(17:36):
with barely any college tape, and like, can you even
evaluate he looks good when he's out there, but he
hardly played and he has you know, everything that you
heard of though I don't know about him was kind
of debunked instantly, from his personality to the way he
played to where you're like, yeah, that guy's just starting
right tackle immediately and that's it was a bit of
(17:59):
a surprise. Would say, when you when you consider what
we were saying about him before, what has.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Been the most disappointing thing that has unfolded over the
last few weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I mean, the whole Jamar saga is disappointing, just because
you you want to feel that momentum offensively, everybody's out
there and he and and just that, Okay, here they
go like big Year. Everybody's on board, and it's kind
of hung over everything. Yeah, exactly. And it hasn't necessarily
(18:33):
hindered a ton. I'm sure there's a lot of scheme
stuff they'd like to be doing with Jamar right now,
and I'm sure it would be better if Jamar was
like really ramping up in full shape. But I don't
have as much a problem with that other than it's
just been kind of like it's kind of sapped some
of the momentum sure at the end, and the feel
of everything. So that's that's probably the most disappointing aspect,
(18:53):
even though that's a much broader answer, probably than you
were looking for. I think I think it's probably the
most disappointing aspect.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
You think we're talking about the same thing with him
a week from now.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, Yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Feels like something that's going to roll over into that
first week, right, it's like Labor Day, yeah, you know,
and I always it's about me, right sure, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Not being able to enjoy Labor Day weekends.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And last weekend was having the same you know, when
you're staring at the beers in front of you and
you're like, well, I've had three, you know, and you're like,
are these accessible to me with Jamar situation hanging out
there or do I need to like be thinking about
that to pace you that no one wants that in
the back of their head on Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, So this is this is how I've kind of
framed it in my mind, similar to this past Saturday.
You know, we we had some some people over and
we're at the pool and I look at my phone
and I'm the guy that has to walk over and
say Hunter Green on the injury list. Yeah right yeah,
and you're just like, man, I want to forget that.
I envision on Labor Day mey being the guy who's like, hey,
the Jamar chase things done?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah? Right?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And then it's it's a different feel. It's a it's
a different vibe that.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Would I would sign me up for that. That'd be okay,
that would be that would be great. I think you
I think you take that for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean, I mean, I just I my No, I
don't think anybody can say anything for certain. My gut
still is that it doesn't get done. And he plays
week one that's still no deal, and he plays against
no deal and he plays week one, that's my gut
on it. Okay, Now again that's I still contend all
anyone really has his gut right now. Sure, even Jamar
(20:30):
Chase doesn't know what he's gonna do, and the Bengals
don't know how this is going to play out. But
I still think that that's where this thing ends.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
How And I don't want to spend we don't have
a lot of time. I don't want to spend it
all on Jamar Chase. How significant was it that he
got on the plane and went to Chicago.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
After going a day? Yeah, that that didn't become a thing?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Yeah that that the one day away didn't become Oh
now he's just away.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Uh yeah, No, I think that.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
And you know he's out there, he's he's running routes
in seclusion, right, I mean, he's doing he's doing his
getting ready thing when no one's watching. So I just
are those are positive signs?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Okay? Very good.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
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(21:52):
Multiple reports say that Miles Murphy is dealing with a
knee sprain and the expectation is he'll only have to
miss a few weeks. Pretty good news relative to what
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(22:16):
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He is out for the remainder of the season. The
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Speaker 2 (22:30):
Who had that?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
So, Miles Murphy, I wrote that down, yes, but I
didn't want to say it in front of you.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I'll say it.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I wrote Rapine, Yeah, that's my guy. Absolutely, Yeah, Rapine
was first. Absolute then everybody. I didn't want to say
that with you here, It's okay. I don't I'm young,
because then what didn't you have it first?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Then it's one of THEO and I didn't want to.
I don't get I don't get super involves to be weird.
I don't get super involved. I know you, James, James
crushes it. Yeah, no, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Uh. Are you willing to admit you were wrong about
Matt Lee.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Lee?
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Come vote yes, I was not wrong about Matt Lee.
My point last week was that I'm not going to
put somebody who had to that point only slightly rotated
in with the two's and played a cup what a
dozen snaps in the fourth quarter behind Trey Hill ahead
of him in my fifty three, he needed to do
(23:24):
something like, oh, I don't know, play the entire game
against the Bears and do well, Like that's how you
hop somebody that was he was given that opportunity that,
you know, I still I do love.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I do love the.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Groundswell of of Matt Lee for the Hall of Fame
Hall of Famer, and that's you know, it's it. I
think he's a cool story and what he's done is
really really fun and really exciting like that, there's no
doubt about that. But because he's he's come from off
the map. I'm from a guy that what didn't get
a wasn't getting even one rep with the twos until
(24:01):
he came in in the fourth quarter of that game
against the Bucks to now being you know, certified, absolutely
going to be the backup to Ted Harris and probably
saying goodbye to Trey Hill.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Is a nice week. Yeah, Yeah, he's a happy camper.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I've talked to him a couple of times in the
last week and he's a he's having a good time
right as he should be.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And for those who don't know, you did your original
your fifty three man roster projection last week, which was
a reflection of what you had seen in practice, as
you said, follow the reps, he wasn't getting second team reps.
And then he goes out there and he plays sixty
plus naps against the Bears and played terrific.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It started to change right after I put that out
because that week in practice they rotated him in and
some with the twos, not all who's still him and
Trey Hill rotating, and then they gave him the full
shot there and he played well against Chicago.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
What is between now and week one, beyond the Jamar
Chase thing, What is left to be solved, what's left
to be figured out?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Not much. It feels pretty straightforward. I feel like.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
There's there's not a ton happening beyond the top fifty three.
I don't feel like there's a lot there that you're like,
oh man, look at all this. It feels pretty cut
and dry, and their roster's pretty cut and dry. There's
a lot of people that you know the plan for
and and that have been around and and are high picks,
so you know they're gonna be in a position to play.
(25:25):
There's there's not a ton happening there. And I think
the offensive line coming into focus over the last week
was the last thing. You know, we Nick Kirkland Ford Lee. Yeah,
like those are the those are the last guys that
you had to kind of figure out where that was
going to land. I think you know what that nine.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Tomorrow, NaN's Jackson Carman Swansong. It will be how many?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I mean you think he'll go out in this a
hal of false starts, like just as a way to
go out.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I think that's Yeah. I think they should have a
pre game ceremony for him.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It's tough, it's what it's a It's been a rough
run for seventy nine here and but yeah, I do
think that.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
This will be the end. Punter Battle's not settled, you know,
it's not.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
But Ryan Rico has not taken it. Yeah, in fact,
he's kind of handed it back to Brad Robbins more
than anything.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It felt like Saturday was if he has a clean game,
it's his if you know he could.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Go grab it, Yeah, didn't at all.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And I think they were pretty happy with what they'd
seen from Robbins to that point, and obviously as the
hip flexor injury, but I think it's so of its
depending on how quickly he comes back from that and
how he looks or whatever. But I'd lean it towards
Robins at this point.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
If they were to get a veteran player post cutdown day,
and obviously the player has to match what they need
and positions, but if if they were to look at
a specific area for a veteran, what would the what
would the first place on the team be, what would
the first position group be?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
That position would be the Samaj p Ryan role and
they'd fill it with Samaj.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Because they still haven't done that, right.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yeah, No, I am still very much of the mind
that Samaj p Ran is going to be a Bengal
as some in some way, shape or form, whether it's
via trade or cut and pick up. He just appears
to be on the outs in Denver, and especially with
the Chris Evans injury, it's like, or you know, right,
you're right back where you want him to be as
that third running back, third down back guy, like you.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Can have him in the rotation. So that to me
is one.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I still think if there's a way to acquire a
bigger defensive tackle, they have to be looking into that.
And you know, think of crazy things happen this time
of year. Billie Price was traded for bj Hill around
this time of year. Yes, Reggie Nelson was acquired for
David Jones.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Like thing.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
This is one of the few times of the year
the Bengals actually do trade, and it's usually with somebody
that they know they're going to cut and they try
to acquire something in a position of defensive tackle, a
bigger guy. Just with with the McKinley Jackson injury hanging
out there, what do you can even get how much
did that Halt hit? What he could even get from
him for a rookie year. I think you have to
be looking into that if somebody is available and another
(28:10):
team needs something that you're going to discover.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
It was at least nicer to see nice to see
Chris Jenkins play better than he did in his first game.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, lou and Arumo I talked to him about it,
and he was he, you know, likes where Chris Jenkins
is at and even as a run stopper, he's like,
you know, it's adjusting to double teams in the NFL
is a deal, and that's the thing you got to learn.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And he's learning that, he said.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
But you know, you you see it, and I still
feel like he's in a good place to be part
of the rotation.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Uh, all right, if Jake Browning, if the Bengals the
game tomorrow night, if it counted, would Jake Browning be active?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Would he be the number two?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
If this was if this was a game one and
they had to have him, I think he'd play.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
He's okay, Yeah, well I don't want him to play,
but he would be active in a uniform just in
case he would be the number two. Yeah, I think so, okay,
So that rib issue that I was fretting about.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Just being careful to make sure there's a zero reason
to mess with it. Just make sure he's all the
way healthy and back.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
In case you need him any I mean, you could
do quickly like a Jackson Carmen poster bobblehead is like, and.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Just there's gotta be some of those laying around in
the back room from the year they draft.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
They could have like Frank Pollock make a speech, you know,
and just everyone goes around like you know, a fan cam.
Everyone goes around and talks about their favorite moment of
the Jackson Carmen area.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
The Bengals social media team is awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You can get, like you know, some players to sort
of talk about, like why I tell you what? Man,
Just I'm gonna tell my kids. I got a chance
to go through training camp with Jackson Carmen. It may
be fun.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Just slow motion of every rep from that from the
playoffs that year that he didn't that he didn't lose,
just looking great.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I love it all right, Uh, have a good time
tomorrow night. Yeah, I will, I will.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I'll tell people maybe maybe when we if we take
a break or when we're done, to make sure they
flip it onto.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah. Hey, we're gonna stop talking for a second. Now,
let's go see what nonsense mo is spewing.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Let's do that. Four o'clock tomorrow. Four o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yep, right downtown at bet MGM Sportsbook Nation Kitchen.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
But were back on Tuesdays next week? As are we
back on normal?
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Uh yeah, we'll be right in the cutdown cut down
next Tuesday at four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Oh man, wow. One of one of the most anticipated shows.
I think we've done this before. We have, We've done
this for for a while. Up right up against it.
I can't wait. Good?
Speaker 3 (30:20):
All right, Paul Danner Junior, follow him on x at
Paul Danner Juniorthathletic dot com, n Wide Times dot Com,
and The Growler Podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Thank you as always. Tony Pike joins us.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Next.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Hey, it's Maager dealing with an urgent orthopedic injury. Just
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