September 5, 2024 • 9 mins
Richard Skinner from Local 12 joined us to discuss the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Twenty two after five ESPN fifteen thirty. Someone else who's
work I enjoy from Local twelve and Local twelve dot com,
who's joined us on Wednesdays during the football season for years,
is our buddy, Richard Skinner, who has been busy covering
Jamar Chase also the Bengals. Hi, Skinny, No, I got.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
To tell you. I've heard you got a bigger guest
on than me coming up this hour, which I think
is pretty cool, Dan Hurley obviously, But do you know
this is my rare, humble brag. He's one of two
national champion coaches you have on this hour. Really, I
won one with an AAU team in twenty fifteen. We
won a national championship in Greensboro, North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Now Dan Hurley parlayed winning the title this year. He
got to visit the White House, and he got offered
a contract by the LA Lakers. Did either of those
two things happen to you?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
No, I got offered the varsity assistant john back at
a school I'd coached before, in Beechwood, So I feel
good about that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Very similar, yes, very similar. I'll run those credentials past
him and see how impressed he is.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Uh, Jamar Chase is gonna play Sunday, right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I don't. I don't think he knows that. I mean that.
I think today was good faith gesture. It was maybe
a sign, and I don't know this for a fact,
maybe a sign they're getting closer. I think it was
more him to be honest with you, saying, listen, if
something gets done, I want to be ready to play.
I think that says a lot about him. I don't
(01:30):
think he's completely blinked. I will tell you this, as
you know, you've been around this long enough. You do
a stairdown contest with Mike Brown, he never blinks, So
you're not winning the stare down contest. And so I
don't know there's a clear winner yet in that. And
you know, being limited today didn't really tell me much.
I thought that was probably gonna be the case. That
(01:50):
doesn't say one thing or another, like he just showed up,
the show up. I don't think because he's not gone
through much, he was gonna do much of anything. And
he probably didn't did something positioned girls that look like
with the Bengals showed we didn't get a chance to
see he very much in the open portion of the media.
He's supposed to talk to us on Friday, and if
that gets canceled, then I would tell you it probably
(02:11):
leans more towards him not playing, or if he decides
to talk, then maybe we'll find out where things stand.
So I wouldn't I wouldn't read a ton into it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Other than the fact that I said of if he
thinks he has a shot to play on Sunday, he
wants to get himself as much of an opportunity to
be ready for that. I think that's what those two
practices were the week before the Sunday Monday practices.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Which everyone went, Dad got over and he really didn't
do much. But I think with him saying, hey, I
just want to I want to check every box if
I can play, I want to be ready to play
as much as I can, I think that's a that
is a good bait gesture on his part, but I
don't think it signifies really anything, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So he did go through those two workouts early last week,
and then he didn't play on Wednesday, and I kind
of felt like public opinion pivoted a little bit away
from him, and I I get the sense that if
suddenly tomorrow he doesn't work out, something similar is going
to happen. You've covered Jamar Chays for a while. Do
you think he cares about that?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I don't listen. And I said this before at people
get mad about it. And this is not a knock
on players, while we all want them to be all
in on winning, and winning always beats losing, right, It
doesn't anything we do in life for him, for any guy,
for any player, it's how do I maximize what I
can make? And so I think for him that's where
(03:32):
we're out of How can I maximize it? When can
I maximize it? How can I have peace of mind
of guaranteed money? And where is my leverage point? And
I think his camp has believed his leverage point is
right now, missing a bunch of training camp and seeing
at the Bengals blink, Well they didn't. You We are
in a game week. They haven't blinked yet. Maybe they're closer,
But yeah, I think for him it's just it's such
(03:56):
a gray area because I don't think there's a winner
and I don't think there's a loser, right, Like the
Bengals are at fault. I know most fans believe that,
hey just pay him, and that's I get it, and
I don't think he's at full I think he listen.
If I'm risking the let's just say I'm risking one
hundred and forty million dollars and one hundred and whatever
twenty ten guarantees by getting hurt in Game four catastrophically
(04:17):
to the point where I never get that money. I
get why. I'm not going to risk that for one
million dollars in day salary this season. I completely get that.
But I can play to get the Bengals side of
hey man, this is the way the CBA works. Get
a rookie contract, this is where you're at, and we
we we've got you for next year because of the
fifth year option of twenty one point eight bill. That's
the CBA. I'm sorry for, but that's the way this
(04:38):
this ball bounces.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
You. You know the people who run this franchise better
than almost anybody, and so you know how they think
and you know how they operate. The guy they didn't
pay T Higgins signs is tag in June, shows up
to all the workouts plays in the preseason, saying all
the right things, by all the having a great camp.
(05:02):
Do you feel like there's any amount of pause where
they go, Huh, here's the guy that we're not paying,
and he's doing everything we want, and the guy that
we have said on the record we're going to pay
has turned this into at least a minor circus. Do
you think that's part of the thinking upstairs at all?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I do. I don't think it comes to that, because
I truly think the timeline for Jamar in their mind
was always after this season, in this next offseason. I do.
We can argue the semantics. You had a great guest
on Consumer Sports. I heard him and he was I
was driving home and I thought he laid out, you know,
the scenario of why maybe pay him now? And why
maybe not? But why maybe pay him now? So I
(05:43):
do think that timeline has always been there. But if
you come to the complete impasse where it's nuclear, where
he doesn't play all season, I don't think it comes
to that. But again, let's just go nuclear here he
decides to say, heck with this, you can take everyone
of my game checks of a million dollars this year.
I ain't risking it. You guys, do what you gotta do.
I mean at that point, then you have to go, okay, well,
there's an ill will between both parties and we can't
(06:05):
move forward this. Yeah, we've got him for twenty one
point eight mil, and he'll probably play on that in
twenty twenty five. But yeah, let's just say t has
a great year because Jamar doesn't play. Again. We're going
nuclear here, right, No, let's just say he goes for
ninety two catches, for thirteen hundred yards and twelve touchdowns
because he gets targeted far more often because Jamar isn't here.
Maybe at that point you okay, well you're you're the
(06:27):
guy we're gonna wind up paying. I don't think it
comes to that. I truly believe. I truly believe Jamar's
camp has unfortunately been a blink in this contest and
he's gonna play. But there's also the possibility that that
his side of the camp comes down the money and says, Okay,
here's what we'll play for. You know, we wanted to
do more than justin Jefferson, get us to this level,
(06:49):
and we'll do it. And I think that's where we're at.
Th Gu's probably where we're at a the negotiation process
of the Bengals have a number, and as you know,
he'll Carson Palmer, you want to retire my man, go
retire any more else still somewhere else, They til Jesse Bates,
you want to go somewhere else. Till somewhere else. Doesn't
mean it's right, but it's the standard operating procedure. So
if they think they're gonna squeeze a whole lot of
(07:10):
nickels more than what they've probably written down on a
napkin and slid across the table and go, here's what
we're gonna pay you. And there's always a little give
and take, but here's what we're gonna pay you. And
the guys slip the napkin and goes nope. And they
can keep sliding that napkin back and forth, but eventually
a napkin if they want to play for the Bengals
and side with the Bengals, is probably gonna go in
their favor.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
How many players would have to choose not to play
on Sunday for them to lose to the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Uh, they would have to only play twelve guys, and
they would have to play both kut Brown have to
play both right tackle and inside left tackle and play
one hundred and twenty six snaps and come close to
passing out for them to lose to the Patriots. That's
a really bad football team.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah. I mean, like they're probably okay on defense. Offensively,
I'm not sure there's a worst roster in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
No. I mean when you go into Week one going,
we have no idea where our left tackle is and
we're not sure can block. That's an issue. That's a
big time issue, man, you know, and obviously then kills
him not to play Drake May not because probably du
toozy percents a better option. You don't want to get
your rookie quarterback killed. You know, most teams in the league,
as you know, when the rookie quarterbacks ready, you play him.
And it seems like Drake May is more than ready
(08:17):
to play. Other than saying, hey, we're gonna turn you
into David Carr part two where you get sacked seventy
seven times your first season and seventy eight times or
next season and you're never the same guy.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, good luck with that. I right, what was it?
What was the national twenty fifteen two.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Thy fifteen thirteen u AAU National Championship on it in
Greensboro Coliseum, where they've played National Championship NCAA games before.
I'm sure Dan Hurley is a is a history of Buffalo.
Will love to know that noveledge.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So twenty fifteen John Caliperry doesn't win a national championship,
Richard Skinner does. Wow, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Interesting. And my assistant I got he's the one that
put the team together, one Chris Maguire, so I got
to give a shout out to him. He was the
man that was a scouting man and assistant code. And
those kids are great. They're still in my heart and
my memory.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Very good. All right, Well, hopefully I am too. We'll
talk to you next week. Thanks so much. You always
saw Richard Skinner from a local twelve
Twenty two after five ESPN fifteen thirty. Someone else who's
work I enjoy from Local twelve and Local twelve dot com,
who's joined us on Wednesdays during the football season for years,
is our buddy, Richard Skinner, who has been busy covering
Jamar Chase also the Bengals. Hi, Skinny, No, I got.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
To tell you. I've heard you got a bigger guest
on than me coming up this hour, which I think
is pretty cool, Dan Hurley obviously, But do you know
this is my rare, humble brag. He's one of two
national champion coaches you have on this hour. Really, I
won one with an AAU team in twenty fifteen. We
won a national championship in Greensboro, North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Now Dan Hurley parlayed winning the title this year. He
got to visit the White House, and he got offered
a contract by the LA Lakers. Did either of those
two things happen to you?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
No, I got offered the varsity assistant john back at
a school I'd coached before, in Beechwood, So I feel
good about that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Very similar, yes, very similar. I'll run those credentials past
him and see how impressed he is.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Uh, Jamar Chase is gonna play Sunday, right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I don't. I don't think he knows that. I mean that.
I think today was good faith gesture. It was maybe
a sign, and I don't know this for a fact,
maybe a sign they're getting closer. I think it was
more him to be honest with you, saying, listen, if
something gets done, I want to be ready to play.
I think that says a lot about him. I don't
(01:30):
think he's completely blinked. I will tell you this, as
you know, you've been around this long enough. You do
a stairdown contest with Mike Brown, he never blinks, So
you're not winning the stare down contest. And so I
don't know there's a clear winner yet in that. And
you know, being limited today didn't really tell me much.
I thought that was probably gonna be the case. That
(01:50):
doesn't say one thing or another, like he just showed up,
the show up. I don't think because he's not gone
through much, he was gonna do much of anything. And
he probably didn't did something positioned girls that look like
with the Bengals showed we didn't get a chance to
see he very much in the open portion of the media.
He's supposed to talk to us on Friday, and if
that gets canceled, then I would tell you it probably
(02:11):
leans more towards him not playing, or if he decides
to talk, then maybe we'll find out where things stand.
So I wouldn't I wouldn't read a ton into it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Other than the fact that I said of if he
thinks he has a shot to play on Sunday, he
wants to get himself as much of an opportunity to
be ready for that. I think that's what those two
practices were the week before the Sunday Monday practices.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Which everyone went, Dad got over and he really didn't
do much. But I think with him saying, hey, I
just want to I want to check every box if
I can play, I want to be ready to play
as much as I can, I think that's a that
is a good bait gesture on his part, but I
don't think it signifies really anything, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So he did go through those two workouts early last week,
and then he didn't play on Wednesday, and I kind
of felt like public opinion pivoted a little bit away
from him, and I I get the sense that if
suddenly tomorrow he doesn't work out, something similar is going
to happen. You've covered Jamar Chays for a while. Do
you think he cares about that?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I don't listen. And I said this before at people
get mad about it. And this is not a knock
on players, while we all want them to be all
in on winning, and winning always beats losing, right, It
doesn't anything we do in life for him, for any guy,
for any player, it's how do I maximize what I
can make? And so I think for him that's where
(03:32):
we're out of How can I maximize it? When can
I maximize it? How can I have peace of mind
of guaranteed money? And where is my leverage point? And
I think his camp has believed his leverage point is
right now, missing a bunch of training camp and seeing
at the Bengals blink, Well they didn't. You We are
in a game week. They haven't blinked yet. Maybe they're closer,
But yeah, I think for him it's just it's such
(03:56):
a gray area because I don't think there's a winner
and I don't think there's a loser, right, Like the
Bengals are at fault. I know most fans believe that,
hey just pay him, and that's I get it, and
I don't think he's at full I think he listen.
If I'm risking the let's just say I'm risking one
hundred and forty million dollars and one hundred and whatever
twenty ten guarantees by getting hurt in Game four catastrophically
(04:17):
to the point where I never get that money. I
get why. I'm not going to risk that for one
million dollars in day salary this season. I completely get that.
But I can play to get the Bengals side of
hey man, this is the way the CBA works. Get
a rookie contract, this is where you're at, and we
we we've got you for next year because of the
fifth year option of twenty one point eight bill. That's
the CBA. I'm sorry for, but that's the way this
(04:38):
this ball bounces.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
You. You know the people who run this franchise better
than almost anybody, and so you know how they think
and you know how they operate. The guy they didn't
pay T Higgins signs is tag in June, shows up
to all the workouts plays in the preseason, saying all
the right things, by all the having a great camp.
(05:02):
Do you feel like there's any amount of pause where
they go, Huh, here's the guy that we're not paying,
and he's doing everything we want, and the guy that
we have said on the record we're going to pay
has turned this into at least a minor circus. Do
you think that's part of the thinking upstairs at all?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I do. I don't think it comes to that, because
I truly think the timeline for Jamar in their mind
was always after this season, in this next offseason. I do.
We can argue the semantics. You had a great guest
on Consumer Sports. I heard him and he was I
was driving home and I thought he laid out, you know,
the scenario of why maybe pay him now? And why
maybe not? But why maybe pay him now? So I
(05:43):
do think that timeline has always been there. But if
you come to the complete impasse where it's nuclear, where
he doesn't play all season, I don't think it comes
to that. But again, let's just go nuclear here he
decides to say, heck with this, you can take everyone
of my game checks of a million dollars this year.
I ain't risking it. You guys, do what you gotta do.
I mean at that point, then you have to go, okay, well,
there's an ill will between both parties and we can't
(06:05):
move forward this. Yeah, we've got him for twenty one
point eight mil, and he'll probably play on that in
twenty twenty five. But yeah, let's just say t has
a great year because Jamar doesn't play. Again. We're going
nuclear here, right, No, let's just say he goes for
ninety two catches, for thirteen hundred yards and twelve touchdowns
because he gets targeted far more often because Jamar isn't here.
Maybe at that point you okay, well you're you're the
(06:27):
guy we're gonna wind up paying. I don't think it
comes to that. I truly believe. I truly believe Jamar's
camp has unfortunately been a blink in this contest and
he's gonna play. But there's also the possibility that that
his side of the camp comes down the money and says, Okay,
here's what we'll play for. You know, we wanted to
do more than justin Jefferson, get us to this level,
(06:49):
and we'll do it. And I think that's where we're at.
Th Gu's probably where we're at a the negotiation process
of the Bengals have a number, and as you know,
he'll Carson Palmer, you want to retire my man, go
retire any more else still somewhere else, They til Jesse Bates,
you want to go somewhere else. Till somewhere else. Doesn't
mean it's right, but it's the standard operating procedure. So
if they think they're gonna squeeze a whole lot of
(07:10):
nickels more than what they've probably written down on a
napkin and slid across the table and go, here's what
we're gonna pay you. And there's always a little give
and take, but here's what we're gonna pay you. And
the guys slip the napkin and goes nope. And they
can keep sliding that napkin back and forth, but eventually
a napkin if they want to play for the Bengals
and side with the Bengals, is probably gonna go in
their favor.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
How many players would have to choose not to play
on Sunday for them to lose to the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Uh, they would have to only play twelve guys, and
they would have to play both kut Brown have to
play both right tackle and inside left tackle and play
one hundred and twenty six snaps and come close to
passing out for them to lose to the Patriots. That's
a really bad football team.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah. I mean, like they're probably okay on defense. Offensively,
I'm not sure there's a worst roster in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
No. I mean when you go into Week one going,
we have no idea where our left tackle is and
we're not sure can block. That's an issue. That's a
big time issue, man, you know, and obviously then kills
him not to play Drake May not because probably du
toozy percents a better option. You don't want to get
your rookie quarterback killed. You know, most teams in the league,
as you know, when the rookie quarterbacks ready, you play him.
And it seems like Drake May is more than ready
(08:17):
to play. Other than saying, hey, we're gonna turn you
into David Carr part two where you get sacked seventy
seven times your first season and seventy eight times or
next season and you're never the same guy.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, good luck with that. I right, what was it?
What was the national twenty fifteen two.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Thy fifteen thirteen u AAU National Championship on it in
Greensboro Coliseum, where they've played National Championship NCAA games before.
I'm sure Dan Hurley is a is a history of Buffalo.
Will love to know that noveledge.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So twenty fifteen John Caliperry doesn't win a national championship,
Richard Skinner does. Wow, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Interesting. And my assistant I got he's the one that
put the team together, one Chris Maguire, so I got
to give a shout out to him. He was the
man that was a scouting man and assistant code. And
those kids are great. They're still in my heart and
my memory.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Very good. All right, Well, hopefully I am too. We'll
talk to you next week. Thanks so much. You always
saw Richard Skinner from a local twelve
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