9/9/24 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
For the fifth straight year, the Tony and Mo Football
Show comes your way from Twin Peaks. We're at the
Florence location today. I'd be lying if I told you
that we're in a celebratory mood, because we're not. But
it is gorgeous outside. The staff at Twin Peaks always
set to take great care of you. Awesome place to
watch Monday Night football, great place for any college football, Saturday,

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NFL Sunday, great food and plenty of ice cold beer.
We are here in Florence, very easy to get to.
We're kind of right in between the Turfway Road exit
and the Route eighteen exit off I seventy five, so
we're moments away from the interstate. And if you're in
the northern Kentucky area, come on out hang out with us.
We're here today and next week. We moved to the

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Westchester location the Tuesday after the Monday night game, so
that'll be on the twenty fourth, So if you can't
be here next week, come on out and see us
next week. Unfortunately, we have a third consecutive season opening
loss to talk about. Bengals drop one of the new
Eland Patriots to open up the season, Zach Taylor. You'll
hear his press conference coming up at four o'clock. I

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said this to Austin. It is an annual tradition, Bengals
laying egg in the opener. Tony misses the first show fortunately.
From Bengals Talk dot Com. From Enter the Jungle, our
buddy James rapenis here. It's good to have you. Yeah,
it's good to be here, even though it always won.
Tony slacker.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Two. Another loss to talk about these week one losses
Man what's the excuse this year? There's not one?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Because two years ago there's not bad matchup. Cheryl Appendeck
to me, Steelers are ready for Week one? Okay, fine,
Last year a Burrow's calf, Browns have a good defense.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
It rained.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Okay, what's the excuse this year?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
There isn't one. The Patriots suck.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yes, they're not a good football that's a four win
team maybe right, maybe rookie head coach Jacoby Brissett, no
skill guys to speak of, just traded away Matthew Judan
and they come.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Into your house, never trail and beat you. How does
that happen? A thousand things went wrong? And it obviously
to me it starts offensively. You can't score ten points
right right, it just jumps out to you, and so
offense like four different things that Zach Hammer of the

(03:00):
turnover battle. Fine, if you have two explosive plays, it
doesn't matter that you turn the ball over, right, So
a bunch of factors, and it literally from the jump
felt weird, felt uncomfortable, And the longer the game went on,
the more weird, the more uncomfortable it felt. And then
you look up and they have the ball with a
chance to win it still and they make a bad decision.

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They're like every every layer of the game, every layer
can't tackle, your quarterback, can't throw it deep, your play
callers struggling, your right tackle that you signed, can't block,
Like every level of things that could have went wrong
did go wrong, and they still had a chance. That's
how bad the Patriots are, right, and it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I said to you off air, two offensive series into
the game, you just knew, oh yeah, And I still
felt like, all right, they'll eat one out sixteen fourteen,
get out of here with a win.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
This nineteen to sixteen game is gonna suck, but at
least they want to know that.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Opponent we're gonna do the whole win is a win
survive in advance. I never I don't want to say
I didn't consider the possibility that they would lose. But
deep into the fourth quarter, I felt like they're gonna
win this seventeen to sixteen Like they're just they're going
to figure it out. They're better, the better quarterback, the
better team.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is going to win. Yeah, and it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
There are so many ins and outs of the game
that we'll discuss, but the general theme is they're awful
in openers. One in five week one under Zach Taylor.
Third straight year they lose as a favorite in the
season opener. They were they closed the slight favorites last
year against Cleveland. Why are they so bad in season openers?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
It's if you want to go the Zach mentality route,
I'm not looking at training camp like everyone's talking about
training camp playing. They had two joint practices, so a
one hundred and twenty reps against the first team offense
or first team defense, roughly like sixty plays, probably like
a ton of reps.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Basically a preseason game, a huge preseason game, a huge
amount of reps.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Your first team and your second team, just a ton
of reps. So I don't think it's that, but I
do think and as we were talking, the biggest, my
biggest issue, my biggest gripe with yesterday is, after all
the crap that happened, can't tackle Burrow, can't throw deep,
all of these things. He's having an awful final drive.
You go out there and you have a chance to

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win it, and you're facing a fourth and five, and
you punt it away. Inexcusable. That is my biggest issue. Like,
that's worse than ten or Hudson fumbling or Charlie Jones fumbling,
or Burrow checking it down or Burrow taking a sack.
That stuff happens, or Trent Brown getting run over like
or the defense not being able to tackle or Jacoby
Brissett suddenly not being able to get tackled. Which is

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so many things to hit on, clearly, But fourth and
five when you get the ball back, when the Patriots
gift you the ball back with just over three minutes
because they punt at fourth and two, they should have
went for it, by the way, so huge mistake by Girodmere.
They don't go for it. They punt it to you.
You have the ball first and ten at the ten,
you have to go score. That's it. Go score, go win,

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go snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. That's exactly
what the mentality should have been. And the one opener
that Zach Taylor won the Vikings game, what did he do?
What was the question that you and Tony I think
we're talking about the Monday after the one bad moment
that let the Vikings back in the game. He was
too aggressive, He went for it on fourth down from

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the thirty. The game is on the line in this game,
and he doesn't go for it fourth and five, Joe
Burrow Jamar Chase on the fifty. I'd much rather that
than passively punt it away and hope to get the
ball back.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, it started with the drawdmeyo decision, which I was
standing next to a Patriots fan who's like, dude, we're
not supposed to be in this call fort and we're
we have a chance to end this thing and get
out of here. Instead, we're going to give the ball
back to Joe Burrow. And I said, I have a
feeling you're not giving the ball back to the Joe
Burrow that I'm familiar with. But anyway they do, they
give you a gift gift, and in real time I

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said that too.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I turned to Tracks and Ben and I was like,
they should go for it here, and they did not.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Fourth and five. I get it.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
You're at your own fifteen. There's two and change to go.
They're gonna say, well, we had the two minute warning
in three timeouts. That run defense wasn't stopping anybody win
the game with offense. Put the game in the hands
of Joe Burrow instead of whatever you're doing upfroun on defense.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And when when Ryan Rico and the punning unit ran
out onto the field, I was flabbergasted.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
It insane. Yes, it's just insane. You've been out played
all day. Your one shot is to go down there
and score right now. They didn't do it. And honestly,
like in that type of game, let's fast forward Sunday
against the Chiefs. If it comes down to one play
and it's a Joe Burrow to Jamar Chase play, would

(07:49):
you take it?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
All right, So against the Patriots, you get outplayed all
day and you don't want to go to that That
that might like in an ideal world. This week that's
what you go to, and you went away from it.
You said, Ryan Rico, flip the field, defense save us.
Then there's no way, none. And so that's my biggest
concern is why did Zach make that decision?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
So Joe Burrow played poorly, yes, and that's okay. Yeah,
great players have bad games. Fine, twenty one of twenty
nine for twenty nine yards. It's unbelievable. He did he did?
He did he play Did he play poorly because he
had an abnormal camp?

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Well? Not really?

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Did he play poorly because of the Jamar Chase thing,
I'd like to think not. Did he play poorly because
he didn't have T Higgins while he's played without T
Higgins before. Did he play poorly because he was going
up against a great defense?

Speaker 4 (08:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Did he play poorly because he's not where he needs
to be physically. And then what makes me wonder that
more is if Joe Burrow has one thousand percent of
Zach Taylor taking the game away from him on fourth
and five.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
I would say no, But he's done it before, and
that did against San Francisco, did against San Francisco. Yes,
when Burrow was rolling, Yes, saved them that come back. Yeah,
And he took it out of his hands, said he
regretted it and said he learned from it. I mean,
clearly not. Because here's the thing. Let's just say it's
not Joe Burrow. Let's say it's Jacoby Brissett. I'm still
going for it because that's your chance because I never

(09:15):
make it the ball back, that's your chance. Yeah, And
it's one play and you have these weapons, and if
you can't draw up a play or two plays and
let Joe pick the best one on fourth and five,
Then then what are we doing here? We're talking about
a Super Bowl contender, talking about a team that you
expect to win the division or be right there. And so, yeah,

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that's even after Burrows struggles. He's been completing checkdowns all day.
You need five yards, yeah, Chase deep, it's not fourth. No,
that was the only scenario where I could see punting
is if you somehow had a couple of losses or
something and it was fourth and fifteen from the six, Well,
then yeah, fourth and fifteen from the five, what it

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would have been? Yeah, then, But other than that, you
can't punt. And so the why physically that is a question,
and I don't think anyone knows the answer, not Joe,
and maybe Joe himself is still feeling it out. But
the thing I I wonder about, I don't think he
was seeing it. And we do have a blueprint for
this where when he sees the field for a few weeks,

(10:21):
he's much different than he is early in the season.
And say what you want about preseason snaps and joint practice,
a lot of these defenses don't do a ton in
these sessions where they're trying to confuse you and all
of those things. And so I do wonder if he
just did not trust his eyes at all towards the
end because he they're in the middle part of the game,
he was Okay, they were moving the ball. Well, it

(10:43):
wasn't great, but it worked. But yeah, I mean there's
there's I think some questions about is physical well being
right now?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I think, yeah, well it's that, and then it's the
unwillingness to really throw it downfield as much as you
would like.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
That can't happen ever again, right, three passes of twenty
yards or more through the air, Yeah, I want Jamar
getting three targets downfield twenty yards are more by himself
for anyone else.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Your buddy Ben Baby had sixteen of twenty throws yep.
Five yards from the line of scrimmage or.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Less yep mid game what in a regular season game. Yeah,
we're not talking about Zach Wilson.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Here with Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
And it's one thing like prime Tom Brady did that
a lot because there was space. Yeah, and guys were
if Shane Vereen would go for twelve yards on every
dump off, So you take that that wasn't happening. The
Patriots were making tackles. This was a screen to Jamar
Chase going for a yard and a half. Can't happen,

(11:46):
Just can't happen. Yeah, I wonder about that, And that
is something. If you remember camp, especially towards the end
of camp, that joint practice with the Colts, a lot
of people are like, oh, he's back, like this, he
completed this many passes it you could check the receipts.
I never said Joe Burrow's back because it didn't feel great,
or a couple of nice throws, nothing, but it didn't

(12:07):
feel great. And I wondered about it, not making any
groundsweeping conclusions, but I wondered about it, and I think
I'm still wondering.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
All you can do is connect the dots and wonder.
And the dots are he had rist surgery, unprecedented rist surgery. Okay,
he plays his first game, he's unwilling to throw it
deep often, and they take the ball out of his
hands late. If you connect those dots, how does your
brain not go to a place where the first thought

(12:36):
is he's not. He might be ninety percent, might be
one hundred percent by the time he runs out onto
the field at Arrowhead Stadium. But just given all of
that circumstantial evidence, I don't know how you don't at
least wonder where is he physically.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
He may insist he's fine, and.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Maybe he is, But what I saw yesterday, I've watched
every snap of his that that wasn't Joe Burrow yesterday.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
And so with that said, who's the one person on
the planet that should know or be aware of how
Joe's doing going into week one?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Zach?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, so game plan wise, like, let's just say that's
the case. Aren't you running it a little bit more early?

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Aren't you designing things early? That is going to get
And I know it was super weird with Jamar and
t and all of those things, Like, but guess what,
the Patriots didn't have Matt Judah right, they didn't have
Christian Barmore right, Like like teams play without guys all
the time, and and Andre Josebach played every snap, has
gotten a ton of reps with with Joe Burrow. He

(13:42):
can't find a way to get him in space. Yeah,
make it easy on Joe. So I think there are
issues everywhere Joe couldn't save Zach. Zach didn't save Joe.
One didn't do favors for the other, the other one
didn't do favors for the other. Like Joe was right
on that final drive by the way before they punted
when they never should have punted. He missed Jamar on
that first down.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Why don't as he's streaking down the field, I'm screaming,
throw it to.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
One third down. Jamar is even for a touchdown in
single coverage and does the corner make a play on
the ball. Maybe, But you take Jamar in that situation
ten out of ten, and so Joe didn't do Zach
any favors. I'm being clear. I'm not just ripping Zach,
but I don't think Zach did Joe any favors either.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, the whole thing felt like the coaching staff, well,
we're gonna put it in Joe's hands, and we'll throw
up our hands and can't figure out a way to
until the.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Game's on the line. Then we're gonna take it out
of Joe's hands.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
It doesn't make any again like that, that made no sense,
but it only amplifies the questions about as.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
He where he needs to No doubt, like, are you
just not confident in him? Do you really have to
win this game with defense?

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Right?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
And if they're thinking that, then we're opening up a
whole other can of worms that that I don't think
is there yet. But it's sucks that we're here day
two of the season. Well, season starts yesterday, and here
we are.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, I mean, for all the Jamar's stuff and then
the t stuff late last week, what we defaulted to
was they got number nine, they'll be fine, right They
defense doesn't have to be significantly better. It's got to
be league average across the board. They got number nine,
not that number nine yesterday, And again time may prove that.
It's look, I had a bad day, game plan wasn't great,

(15:27):
and this team's five and two midway through October, and
we forget about it. But until until we're there, and
until you see something looking like a not even a
signature Joe Burrow performance, but one where he's willing to
throw at twelve yards and one where the coaching staff
trust him. Again, if you connect those dots, I think
you have to arrive at a place where you at
least wonder where is he where we want him to.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Be especially because the last time I saw him take
game like reps was the cold joint practice.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
When, by the way, yesterday he was super efficient before
that final drive, he was twenty one of twenty six, right, Like,
it looks good before you look at everything else. You
just look at the completions and it's like and so
you combine that the last extended session with what we
saw yesterday, it's like, all right, well, why is the
game plan that way? The Patriots don't have great pass rushers,

(16:17):
by the way, you look at some of the metrics
of the offensive line, there's only one guy that's bad. Yeah,
it's not like he didn't have time. Jacoby Brissette was
pressured twice as much as Joe twice as much. Yeah,
didn't feel that way in real time.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I didn't watch yesterday thinking the offensive line was terrible
at all. Trent Brown got beat bad on a sack,
But I didn't watch yesterday going this, this is a
unit that can't protect.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
We've seen worse, much worse.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, very well schooled in watching bad offense. That wasn't great,
but it wasn't awful. Nope, it looked like a preseason game. Plan,
and a quarterback who wasn't where he needs to be
either physically or mentally, will step aside. We're at Twin
Peaks in Florence, Tony and MO Football Show, Zach Taylor.
You'll hear from the Bengals head coach coming up at
four o five. James is with us toll six. There's

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obviously a billion things to talk about. Are you equipped
later on to talk Saturday?

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Dud? Do you enjoy that Saderfield Saturdays are gonna age
us a few years?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
This year?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Mo, Saderfield Saturdays? What'll we call Sunday? What'll we call yesterday?

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Oh? Check down Sunday?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Check down Sunday. We're at Twin Peaks in Florence. It
is twenty two minutes after three o'clock. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Lawrence First, Tony and MO
Football Show of twenty twenty four. James or Peen Bengals
Talk dot Com under the sib Rella, and one of
the hosts of Enter the Jungle is with us. When

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when Red's game's end, are you just they're just gonna
run that on Loup twenty four hope?

Speaker 4 (17:43):
So they should at Lease Sports they should. We'll do
two shows a week, Bally call me.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
I always enjoy it when I'm out somewhere and the
Reds game ends and then the postgame show and then
James is on.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
It's fun.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
It's fun, it's funny. It is fun. It's been a
fun part of the summer.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
It has been, no doubt about it, most.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Of the time, brighter than the Reds performance.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Do I do?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I just assume they this is going to be a
team that's deficient against the run all season long.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
That was my feeling coming in. Yeah, the answer is
probably yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I mean, I know they've had some injuries, but.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't think it's for the reason yesterday that it
normally is four or we expected it to be for.
I don't think the defensive line got manhandled. No, no,
when part of it was because they were facing Michael Jordan. Yeah,
bat Michael Jordan, the former Bengals fourth round pick Michael Jordan.
But I actually saw a stat coming in. Let me
make sure I yeah, okay, I screen grab it. True

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Media Sports. Ramondre Stevenson gained one hundred and eighteen of
one hundred and twenty rushing yards after contact.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Uh huh, one.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Eighteen out of one twenty. So what that tells me
is guys are in position.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Did I see the stat thirteen misstackles? Yes, yesterday, thirteen misstacks,
which would have been the second highest in the NFL
in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah, so thirteen miss tackles. That is the issue as
much as it because I thought Zach Carter and and
those guys like BJ Hill played I Tawny played like
fifty one out of sixty five, so something crazy. I
thought they gave you good effort. They're not perfect, and
part of it is they weren't playing against great It's
gonna be much different in six days, but against a

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great offensive line. But I thought they did enough in
the whole defense. Just struggle to tackle, and I don't
understand that unless you got to just go live in
five practices during camp and really tackle. But other than that,
I mean tackle got a hit, Yeah, and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
It did feel to me like as opposed to last year,
more guys were in the right spot where there were
times last year. It was the first time I've ever
felt a lou Aniromo defense where it just looked like
guys where they needed to be. I felt like they
were yesterday. Yeah, just didn't wrap anybody else hit. Yeah,
I'm sick. Tackling is the most basic. So one thing
you can always do is tackle. You might have other

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physical or if you get a stiff armed by Derek Henry,
it's another time. Romadre Steve it's another he's a good back.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah yeah, tackle them tackle him. If if Joe Burrow
was checking down against the Bengals defense yesterday, he would
have had two hundred and fifty plus yards because there
would have been so many missed tackles, you know, in
my little rundown here, Yeah, little rundown, Yeah, big Rundown.
I didn't have punning on fourth and five until the
four to twenty segment. So I was gonna build toward

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it because I knew you were fired up about it.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I was gonna build.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Toward Well we could we could do it at four
twenty again, fine, because it's it's I would do it
for three hours. It's still it still pisses me off.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
I want to talk about it enough to to where
Zach calls me and tells me why, Okay, fine, I've
done it on every platform that I didn't share the
answer with this. Yeah, no doubt like it because are
you there to win?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Right? Like that? Like that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Like, it's maddening to me, Like, what the hell are
we doing here? Why'd we even show up? What's the point?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
What's the You open an orange when you get.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Open with five yards in the game on the line.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
So the game is sobering. It occurred against the backdrop
of the weirdness of late last week, and so I
want to fold both. Let's do it into each other
when we come back. He's James and Pina Mowegor. We're
here at Twin Peaks in Florence. Tony is back at
it for since he three sixty tomorrow. He's playing golf today.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, this dude, first day of the season, Tony Mo
Football Show. How many years have you guys been doing this?
I mean I produced the Tony Mo Football Show fifteen Okay,
so darn near a decade in this guy, I think
you and.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I said back in July like, yeah, I'll see that
first Monday.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yeah, knowing he wasn't gonna be for sure. Yeah, I'll
see you next year. In week one it is three
to third. We're talking about another loss. God schedule game loss.
I'm not picking them to win out there.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I don't even care who they open with, where they
play doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Unless it's Scott Saderfield's coach. Scott Sanderfields team, whoever that.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Is, You think he's an NFL team's gonna hire SAT
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If you're looking for the Mark Stoop Show, it's at
six on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. Not a robust showing
by the Kentucky Wildcats over the weekend. Reds are in
Atlanta to play a makeup game tonight against the Braves,
a game that was rained out back in July. That
game starts at six point forty this evening. Reds with
a win yesterday in New York to avoid being swept

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by the Mets.

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this before. According to ESPN Stats and Information, Joe Burrow yesterday,
sixteen of his first twenty pass attempts were within five
yards of the line of scrimmage. Now, it got better
as the game went on, but early on his first
twenty pass attempts, it's not that he didn't want to
throw a bunch of bombs. He didn't want to throw
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(24:15):
at four oh five. We're at Twin Peaks and Florence,
Tony and MO Football Show. James rapeene In for Tony
this week. The game occurred yesterday against the backdrop of
not just the Jamar Chase hold In and everything that
unfolded during training camp in the preseason, but the weirdness
of Friday yep, then him reportedly getting food poisoning yep,

(24:38):
and then the you know, we all woke up yesterday.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Is he gonna play?

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Are we gonna find out there's a deal that gets
signed right before kickoff?

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Like Dak Prescott in Dallas?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
What do you make of that seventy two hour stretch,
specifically as it relates to Jamar.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
It's a distraction, a huge distraction, and Joe dismisses it.
Jamar dismisses it, Zacho dismissed it. Jamar was ready. They
don't need a lot of raps, all of those things.
Joe found out Jamar was playing on Sunday morning. Yeah,
Joe's words, not mine. What if you didn't know who
you were hosting with until three oh four? That's happened before, correct?

(25:15):
Do you do your best work then? Or is it
or is it in your head a little bit? Are
you wondering? Do you have anxiety about it? Are you
like you can pretend it's not a thing, but it's
a thing, sure, just like Jamar can pretend like, oh,
you just switch it off. But if you're this close
to getting a one hundred and forty million dollar contract
extension and it doesn't get done, that sucks. Think about

(25:36):
the things that you're excited about in life that aren't
that you know, Like, that sucks. And I do think
they got pretty close. And my issue with it is
that it took so long to get there. Yeah, Why
does it feel like it just ramped up the past
couple of weeks like you couldn't have went after him?
July twenty ninth, August first, August fifth, Why did it

(26:01):
have to come get into September, get into Thursday night
where everyone thought Thursday Night Football, It's gonna happen now,
including me. I thought there was a chance, and then
cott Win late Thursday night, like, nah, it's not happening.
Before he talks Friday, it was just weird, like it
all weird. I hate it. I wish it was just

(26:21):
done because I do think Jamar is gonna be her
long term and that is in the back. That is
going to be in the back of his head.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
It just is.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
So if they're close, Jamar is acknowledged we're close, Yeah,
and I believe that to be true.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Separate from what Jamar.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Said, Why can't they just get it done tomorrow? I
know the Bengals policy. I get it, yep, I know
they're long standing policy. Okay, let's make an exception. You're
gonna do it anyway. You're close. Tomorrow's an off day.
Why Look, we're gonna spend today getting this done and
it's over and you can move on and we can
move on and let's go beat the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah,

(27:00):
because not that it's necessarily going to loom over the
entire season, but like, do you want to deal with
these questions later in the year, do you want to, like,
if it's that close, why not just use tomorrow to
get it done. What's the difference really between Saturday and Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Oh, I already a distraction. So I think that's why
they have that that rule is because it can be
a distraction during the season. Right, Saturday is during the season.
It already costs, no doubt, the whole week. And so
I get it to a lot of money, and it's
unprecedented guaranteed money. Fine, I get it. I don't think

(27:39):
that there are cash flow issues, but like I think
they have the cash to do it. People speculate there. Yeah,
don't think that's an issue. They have a sponsorship on
like every window and door at pay Court. It's called
pay Court Stadium. Last I checked to yes, Yes, okay,
they have practice field this show.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's the venue originally known as Paul Brown's. They did.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Okay, fine, you hold that, hold that line, mo. But
you get my point. There's a reason, right all this
stuff has happened, and and so you could pay Joe
and Jamar and and they're going to do that.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
It just well you and trust me.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
I don't want to spend the entire afternoon talking about something,
don't We've beaten to death. But you mentioned precedent, and
I hear that, well, it's going to set a new
precedent for who. How many Jamar Chases are they going
to have at that position? That caliber of player?

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Hey, he in this mark, Hey a, Marius Mims, you
didn't lead us to a super Bowl as a rookie.
So even if he's awesome, and you know, like, hey,
Dax Hill, you're not like president, You're right president for who?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
For who?

Speaker 4 (28:40):
You guys aren't drafting that well, like, let's relast and.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
None of those guys play wide receiver, which is just
different different. And by the way, if Marius Mims can
make a claim that he's the best right tackle in
the sport in three years awesome, then then we'll have
the conversation. But this thing about well, oh boy, that's
the can of Wormsey open up, Like for what I
don't understand for who? For what player that's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
We pay freaks that are freaks and are awesome and
help us win games. That's the president I want to set. Yeah,
And I do think that that's another factor here, that's
a distraction. I know for a fact there are guys
in that locker room that are like, well, if he
can't get paid, like if that dude is got to
do all of this. And I think that's why Jamar
did what he did. I think he knew deep down

(29:22):
there's no chance they're giving me a deal unless I'm
not practicing, unless I'm really trying to force their hand.
And that's why when Zach made his comment like Jamar
is gonna practice, he was like, Hey, I still want
a deal, damn it. And that's why he showed up
in street clothes. I think that's what it was, is
He's trying to say, hey, treat me like Joe. I
don't need the franchise. Yeah, but like I'm in that class.

(29:45):
I'm not in the Jesse Bates T Higgins class where
you're gonna drag this out. And unfortunately it's still got
drug out well.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
And it came with and you were the first first
person to point this out. It came with a statement
from Mike Brown that has never been made never, We're
gonna do it. We're gonna bend over backwards. Over backwards
means you make an exception, right, yes, And if I'm
gonna if I'm gonna bend over backwards for someone, I'm
gonna go out of my way for them.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
I'm gonna do something I wouldn't do for anybody else.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
And so when he said that, I took that as
all right, this, this might be a process, and it
might be annoying, but it's going to happen. And I
wouldn't blame Jamar if he took it the same way.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
No doubt. And and so two things there. One I
have a theory on that. Two I still think it's
going to get done. It's just gonna be next year,
by the way, But I have a theory on that
if Mike was the one and he's not the one
negotiating now. But you heard that statement. I've never heard
him say that ever ever. Ever you talk about president

(30:43):
he says that. I think back a couple of years ago,
after Jamar's rookie year, and I asked him about Jamar Chase,
and he like, Jamarch clearly loves Jamar. And I don't
have the exact clips. I'm not gonna pair fits Mike Brown,
but I was like, oh, Mike wants to pay Jamal.
And there was the other quote that went viral and
national media ran with that. But that's what I remember too,

(31:05):
And so my theory is I think Mike would have
paid him by now if it was just Mike doing
it all. Maybe I'm wrong. I think it's fair, complete
complete speculation. It's not like I know, but I think
that I think he would.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Speaking of speculation, the T Higgins news comes down where
he goes from telling everybody that he feels amazing so
that he's doubtfully he doesn't play, and you have the
more conspiratorial among us going he's not really hurt.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Oh yeah, I mean, I know, I don't believe that
that's fair. I know he's hurt.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I don't think there's any reason for him When he's
got a rep for always for frequently being hurt, Why
would he make up an injury? Why would he make
up the one thing that kept the Bengals from giving
him the contract he wanted.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
And is going to keep other teams from giving him
the contract he wants.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Plus, he is often hurt, so it doesn't strain credibility
to suggest he's dealing with another injury. What I'm I
want to know is what's the long term impact? He
couldn't play yesterday. Yeah, So we're just gonna assume he's
good for Sunday. No, No, right, I think it's the
other way. Like, I feel like a lot of folks
have looked at this in a very sort of narrow,

(32:15):
one week vacuum kind of deal, and I'm going, well,
number one, wait a minute, a hamstring issue, it's that's
that's typically not a one week thing. Also, if that's
how the Bengals play offense without t Higgins, oh boy.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
And he was awesome in camp, right, awesome, Like I
was all in on Tea having a career year, wrote,
I mean, I'm already wrong. I thought he was going
to stay healthy. I thought he was going to put
up thirteen hundred, like huge numbers. And he may still
do the numbers part, but it's it's a huge loss

(32:50):
because he's the type of player that can help, like
changes the margin for ARA in games like yesterday, and
so no, I would be surprised if he plays against
Kansas City, not the other way. I'm already thinking about
Monday Night with Tea and we'll see. But he has
a history of hamstring injuries. He worked on his body

(33:10):
all off season to avoid this. It happens, and he's
on the tag. He's not going to rush back at
seventy percent because when he comes back, he'll still get
paid if he comes back and is healthy for whatever stretch,
because teams are that wide receiver needy and he's that
good when he's out there and healthy. So he can't
come back early. You can't. He can't risk it, and

(33:31):
he shouldn't risk it. And that's that's the downside to
having these guys that are just kind of lingering on contracts.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
James arbeen Bengals Talk dot Com, Enter the Jungle. Am
I forgetting anything?

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Locked on Bengals? Locked on Bengals?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Sorry he didn't write that one down.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
You don't got it? I was like, what is he
forgetting locked on Bengals?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
My apologies?

Speaker 4 (33:52):
It's okay. I always mentioned lockedow okay. All of my
listeners heard me make bold predictions for Tea, just for
it not to come true.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
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Speaker 3 (35:08):
Tony is off today.

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means you weren't there for Zach Taylors Prescott.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I bet he was bummed.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
I'm sure he was that I was there. I knew
he probably misses me at this.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Point, Well, the good news only twelve minutes.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Maybe, you know, we get annoyed when it's like a
twenty five minute long p You how many.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Punts you can make in twelve minutes?

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I mean, so here it is.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Unfortunately, my best guest here is you still can't hear
the questions, but here are the answers to questions you'll
have to struggle to hear. A head coach of the
Bengals chatting with the local professional football media just a
short while ago.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, that's.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Okay, far away Chris James. No, we'll get into the
week to evaluate both of them. I really think it's
too early in the week to say on either one
of them. The surgery went well for Chris on Friday,
and so again we'll just we'll get to Wednesday and
see where he's at. Same with Tuh, same with the Marius.

(36:19):
You know, he's been practicing, so he continues to progress
and get better, and where he is for this weekend's
game remains to be seen right now.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Shot playing on Sunday or was that kind of out.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Of the question for Friday?

Speaker 6 (36:31):
We just wanted to take it, you know what happened Thursday.
We want to see how I felt Friday and Saturday,
and and uh, you know it wasn't wouldn't put him
out there like that. So baltimately didn't plan him.

Speaker 7 (36:40):
We didn't get the injury report into laughter. We talked
to you on Friday with men's going to d n
P with that just.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Because you knew he wasn't going to play the plan.

Speaker 8 (36:49):
For him this week.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
We'll continue just to see where it goes, you know,
and and see how he's feeling. And you don't want
to rush him into it too quickly. It's a rookie
that you want to make sure is healthy. It's it's
a peck injury. And so again that's a big part
of what he does. And so again you just got
to be mindful. He's starting to feel a lot better,
starting getting in the groove of individual. We'll just again
be very mindful before we bring him into full contact action.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
How does you feel like Trent Brown played good?

Speaker 6 (37:14):
You know there was a player early in the game
that he'd like to have back, But I thought he
settled in. I thought thought the line as a hole
gave us enough to win. You know, they gave us
good protection, good good in the run game. We just
didn't get really an opportunity to establish what we want
to do. We had the one drive where we started
run the ball really well, and then we got the
ball back with eight minutes left, down nine, so turn
into a pass game from there. But thought that thought

(37:36):
that they gave us enough to win the game.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
What would what would you say are the biggest improvements
that need to be made make the passing game more impacted.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
We allowed them to dictate the game. We got down
ten to nothing, then thirteen to nothing, and at halftime
it was very clear it was going to be a
limited possession game. And so then they get to dictate
the flow, they get to play the coverage. They have
a two score lead, and so you have to do
a better job earlier in the game, really the first
three possessions gaining control, and so then you can dictate

(38:06):
how the game is going to be played. And so
it's as simple as that. We didn't give ourselves as
opportunities early in the game, in any phase, and and
so then you get in the second half and it
turns into the game you didn't want to play.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
What did you think of Joe throwing at all?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
How did we look to you?

Speaker 6 (38:19):
Yeah, I thought you threw accurately. I think that everybody
evaluates that game, myself, Joe, everybody, and and we've all
got to be better than what we gave. Obviously, when
you you lose, you score ten points, it's not good
enough for anybody. And and none of us are proud
of what we walked off the field in the first
game of the season. But there's a lot to build
on there. There is a lot of positives that we're
happy with, and we'll correct the mistakes that we made

(38:43):
and we'll be accountable for that, and we'll be able
to move forward and put a much better effort forward
going going in next weekend depth of twenty.

Speaker 8 (38:50):
Or anything that when we go back and wanted to
say that maybe the things that maybe it's been able
to the keeper was that at shorts.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
Respect thoughts put in death again, you know, like I'm saying,
they they were able to dictate the game after halftime
with a thirteen to nothing lead, and and so again
that's we only had what six normal down plays, uh
before the last drive of the half. We started to
move the ball before the half, we fumbled in the
two yard line and then so we were able to

(39:15):
move the ball, it was just too little, too late,
and we didn't have the points to show for some
of that movement, fumbled in the end zone, got stopped
on a fourth and two, and so it just again
we didn't give ourselves the opportunityes we needed to win
the game.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
First thing down, Yeah, the final drive you guys had
was Burrow's timing just not clicking as he went to
the progressions.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
On that rod.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
No, I wouldn't say, so.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
You know this, there's a progression, there's an alert on
one play, there's you know, we went to the checkdown.
In the second play, the nickel fell off the double slants,
so we went to the checkdown, which was a good decision.
And then you know we found a checkdown and third
play and and so I wouldn't say there was anything
about the time right.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Now on the third down, was then opportunity to take
a shot there with those guys.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Going deep, it's tough, you know, it's you can play
play it a couple different ways, and so we'll coach
it up and decide what we want to do and
that play going forward.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
Look your camp and figuring out how Jill fell on
the feedback he was getting every went through a work,
what was kind of the general consensus you've got for
them as you went with camp on how in the fielding,
especially Justifi Risks.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Kind of got close to me positive? You like the
communication defensively.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
Overall, I did you know it's really you look at defensively,
it really came down to tackling. That's as simple as that.
You know, we give up eighty something yards, you know
after misstackles. So there's a lot of clips where we've
got to hired up.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Man.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
Guys are playing physical at the point of attack, and
we just missed one tackle at the line of scrimmage
to where it could be a TfL or a new
yard game, and next thing you know, it pops out
for you know, anywhere from ten to eighteen yards. And
so there's a lot of clips where you freeze them
and you say this, this is a dead play. We're
in great position, and then there's just a breakdown at
the point of a tackle. I missed the tackle, and

(41:02):
so I don't really feel like that was a communication issue.
That was just we just got to do a better
job at the point of attack tackling, get them on
the ground. And again, those are things that I expect
us to clean up move forward.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
That's something you have to I mean, maybe that's a
bad extep. That something you just have to live with
when you don't do a lot of tackling in camp.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Yeah, there's technique things, right, you can be in a
better body position. So it's and those are still things
we work. They work every day on defense. We do
one drill a week as a team, you know, with
ball carriers and space and having two defenders come at
you and taking great angles asse guys come to try
to break you down, and so defensively are those are
body position things that we work on and punching the

(41:44):
ball free and all that stuff. So again that what
happened to me really was not an excuse for not
tackling and training camp. It was just it was just
at the moment, poor technique.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
Mars that we have to ask you about is amount
of target to history. Is it safe to say that
with a full leak of facts misdeed that he'll be
back to his novel workload in a game, or are
you still in a face of having.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
To get him rapped out?

Speaker 6 (42:07):
I think that's safe to say.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Why do you feel like when we would have Washington?
How do you feel like he wold was good? Everything that
happened once when you get.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Any on us on Saturday good.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
I thought it was good.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
He talked about the Trump play.

Speaker 5 (42:19):
They get yeah about how Joe could have maybe thrown
him over the time.

Speaker 8 (42:23):
I guess maybe, or what's the dynamics of that decision
from a quarterbacks perspective of.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
Whether the completion you're talking about twenty years Yeah, you
got a factor in the safety, right, they're in the
discuss they're single high disc guys. Getting back to two safeties, guys,
we got nothing on the outside holding that safeties with
and so there is a there are We were in
no huddle, so there wasn't a lot of checking going
on there. So there are things that we do sometimes

(42:48):
to maintain with from that safety to hold him so
you can throw them down the field. That wasn't one
of those cases. You had a single high Look, the
safety is getting out of there. He can tighten up
real quick if you throw it down the middle of
field and make a play on the ball. So I
thought it was wise to hold him up and take
the completion there, just because you weren't sure exactly how
that front sight safety was going to come back in
the picture.

Speaker 8 (43:06):
That one was the one that he had with the
tea in the tampa of press and name what was
that look that that's a book and that kind of
rock concept as a last league deep shot that Joe had,
is he in the hands on a preezes game?

Speaker 6 (43:18):
Be river thing?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Completion?

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Totally different concept, totally totally different situation.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
You got a lot of.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
Turn downs through short of the sticks yesterday, you know,
between five and ten yards, staying your stuff where maybe
you would typically be a little bit progress.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Was that something that you saw that they were doing,
Why this didn't happen or would you have liked to
some a little more aggression?

Speaker 6 (43:40):
No, there's it's twofold. There are things that you call
beyond the sticks that you're not just throwing the ball
beyond the sticks because that's that's oftentimes where they are.
It's a fair question that makes sense. I could get
into every single rep on why it happened. I felt
like we had a good plan in place and they
did a good job. You got to give credit to
them too. They really dictated the flow of the game

(44:02):
by getting stops early and putting points on.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
The board early.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
And then you're going in half, we fumble, They eat
up all the clock going in half, they get the
ball to start the second half. We fumbled to start
the second half. So they did the things that took
to win the game. It was as simple as that,
and so they deserve a lot of credit and we
didn't do the things that lead to a victory. And
so it's disappointing for us, but we'll learn from it
and I'm confident that we'll be better moving forward.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Obviously, the thirty one minute.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Great play on the fourth and two, Yeah, tackle there,
but you just as a philosophical light on fourth down
to try to be throwing past the sixers.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
In general, we've got to be able to get that
there was there was a good block in the perimeter.
We've got to be able to get two yards in
a critical moment in one on one.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
They're obviously trying to take away the deep ball joke,
any preference to that after the game. What's the flying
line between taking what they're giving you underneath and trying
to scheme.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
Yeah, I again, I go back. We didn't do a
good enough job early in the game to get control
to where we get to dick tit exactly how that
game is played. This game, to me, was very similar
to Dallas a couple of years ago, Week two, where
we got in a fourteen to nothing hole, and so
now they get to dictate the terms of here's the
coverage we're gonna play, Here's where you're gonna be able
to take. There are certainly tons and tons of plays
down the field that you can attempt, and sometimes we

(45:16):
get to them and they play different coverage, and so
it doesn't work out that way. But I feel confident
about the play that was taken fold and it became
a limited possession game where every play mattered, and and
unfortunately we just the very last drive, we didn't give
ourselves the best chance there to go down and score
and put our defense in a tough spot and I
couldn't dig out it.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Things is one things, maybe more so than others, you
would have liked to.

Speaker 6 (45:40):
Well, I think the start, we're all accountable for that.
I go to bed feeling awful. Joe goes to bed
feeling awful. There's plenty of other players that feel about
the little things that they could have controlled that would
have been better early in the game. So it's not
something we predicted what happened. We thought we'd be off
to a tremendous start twenty one nothing, I mean, you know,
it's it's just it's it's how infidente you feel going

(46:00):
into the game, and when it doesn't go that way,
there's no one that feels worced about it. And then
the men walking off that field and so again you're sick,
your stomach, you don't sleep, you're you you're miserable all night.
And now now as this day goes and you start
getting rammed up for Kansas City, the excitement starts to
build to get a new opportunity and put our best
foot forward and put that one behind us. And uh
so again, that's that's just how we felt coming out

(46:22):
of there, and that's what we're gonna be going forward.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
What do you see to take when you run game
and then getting that cued up later.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
Yeah, some positives. So early in the game, there was
some good looks we just missed it by just a centimeter,
and uh as we got more opportunity. You know, I
was happy we averaged four point four carry. I think
that's a good start. We started to find a flow
there in the second half, and again just the next
time we got a possession. It was a two score
game the eve minutes left, so we couldn't continue to

(46:49):
build on that. But there was a lot of positives
to draw from. I thought that the execution up front
by the tight ends and the and the alignemen were good.
I thought the backs ran really hard. I thought they
made good yards after contact. And so again, if if
we could have played it with the ten to nothing
lead and done a better job putting ourselves in that position,
you can lean on that and you're going to continue
to force more miss tackles and kind of do the
things that they did to us. And so they get

(47:10):
credit to them for how they played. But there were
some encouraging things that we can continue to build on,
and we just got to create more opportunities for ourselves.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
I love the defensive lot am positives.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
And defensive there were times, you know, the third downs,
you know, we weren't to the threshold of where window
to stop them. The quarterback ran through and picked up
a big one with his feet. But I thought there
were some great times we were well matched and coverage
and uh and tight man coverage and we're able to
get turnover and downs there and so you know, and
there was a lot of things in the run game

(47:38):
that were positive. It's just the emphasis is going to
be on the miss tackles for those big plays. But
there's plenty of players where we did a great job
being physical at the point of attack and shut them
down for minimal yards there, and so again, more things
that we can build on going forward.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
All Right, there's Zach Taylor chatting with the assembled local
professional football media who you could not here Bengals losing
yesterday to the New England Patriots. More tonight on Bengals Line,
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(48:17):
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Speaker 4 (48:23):
Yeah, we do. On ESPN Are you punning? I'm not punning.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
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Speaker 2 (48:43):
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we had better news to talk about. Bengals lose, Bearcats lose,
Kentucky loses. Let everybody lost.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
What do I do with this information?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Joe Mixon rushes for a career high thirty times in
his Texans debut for a buck fifty nine.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
That was the See we got it right. We're gonna
give Joe a bunch of carries. Game one doesn't have
anything to do with the other. No, he fits in Houston.
Would have ran at twelve times for forty one yards
if he was on the field yesterday for the Bengals. Probably, Yeah,
like that's it. Fit matters. Yes, it's a good fit

(49:32):
there in Houston. He's clearly confident, comfortable, and the Bengals
run game was fine yesterday, Zach Boss was fine. Ravage
four point nine, that's it. That's not why they lost.
And we've seen mixing. You mentioned career. He's never getting
thirty touches here. The last time he got thirty touches
was Steelers Week one, and that was when Joe was hurt.

(49:55):
Fivers coming, yeah, coming, yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's been
a while.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
I thought Zack Moss is okay. They didn't run it
great early, they ran it better as the game went on.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
For sure. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, you have to order food.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Yeah right now, I.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Got the meat ball skillet. Uh so, yes, if you
missed it.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Joe Mixon in the Houston game against the Indianapolis Colts
buck fifty nine and Jamiko Rans gave him the game ball.
So thirty carries one hundred and fifty nine's for a
Joe and his Texan state.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
I'm back ordered the food.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Did anybody teach Tanner Hudson how to carry the ball?

Speaker 4 (50:33):
I mean, he's not going to get the ball.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
He shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Now he's not getting got a thousand tight ends. Did
you see Eric All yesterday? Oh, second best tight end
on this roster? Uh huh, he's Eric always tight end
three now and really he's tight end two. He's the
second best blocking tight end and which is why he
was on the field. He had more STAPs than Tanner Hudson,
huge in the run game. Loves blocking. Love that about

(50:56):
Eric Hall. And I think he's going to give them
a reliable target that isn't Mike get Sicky at tight end.
You know who's not reliable right now, Tanner Hudson. It's
not just that play, the third downplay before the Andre
Josobach fourth that, Yeah, catch the damn ball. And when
you're a twenty nine year old journeyman that has earned
the trust of Joe Burrow, yeah, you got to keep

(51:18):
earning that trust.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Well, when they've they've signed a guy in free agency
and drafted two other guys at your.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Position, yeah, and resigned your sample right.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah, that's not a mistake you can make.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
And so I think Hudson will be active this coming week.
I still think there will be trust there, but no,
I think Eric Hall. Joe Burrow raved about Eric All
last week raved about him, how good he's getting and
how he's just getting better every single day, and how
hey man, that tracks and you know what else tracks?
He's good at catching the ball.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
They trust Charlie Jones.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Still, I think so that that's a bit different to me, agree,
because it wasn't careless. Tanner Hudson was reckless, you know what. Yeah,
like something have physical errors, Like if Joe Burrow throws
a pick, it's much different than you know, he's he's
trying to throw it away halfway down or just a
reckless play. Yeah, so much different. But yeah, Tanner Hudson's

(52:12):
stocked out.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Is the time to tap the brakes a little bit
on the Andre Josebaj's hype train.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Can they get him the ball? I I don't know,
I'm not. All I know is is he played every snap. Yes,
made a great catch on the sideline where he had
to grab it from his shoes.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yes, and.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Did everything he was asked like, I don't. I'm not
low on Andre because of that. I just the offense
was weird.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
But if it's hey, the offense is neutered because of
who they don't have, I don't think that's it. I
don't disagree. I think the offense is neutered because I
don't think Joe Burro's hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
But if it's Zach caught a crappy game, and.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
If it's hey, we.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Can't do these things without t Higgins and Jamar Chase
has to be fully on board. I thought, well, all
I heard was andre Josava's breakout year, and aside from
the one really nice catch, and it was a really
good catch, who's on the field for the entire game
and didn't make much.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Yeah, three catches for twenty or sixteen yards? Eighteen yards
like that second leading receiver. I think it was twenty six.
I don't, I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
You gotta print everything.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Three for eighteen, eighteen, three for eighteen. I'm sorry, No,
three for twenty six. There we go.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
I can't read.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
I literally had this discussion, yeshally, I couldn't remember what
number it was. All right, so three for twenty six,
it's gotta be better. I mean, you gotta throw for
more yards, no doubt, more targets. Everything's gotta be and
and so one of they're not gonna have te Higgins
this week. They won't. If they do, you call me
and tell me to apologize to all of your listeners,

(53:47):
our listeners, which.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
I will do.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
I don't think he's gonna play. So if t Higgins
is out, you need Mike KASICKI, Andre Josavash, obviously, Trent Norwin,
Charlie Jones, all these guys to be in the middle
of the field and open. They could not attack the
middle of the field yesterday. And that's why I wonder
about Joe, like was he just not seeing it? Because
how many passes did he complete over the middle of

(54:09):
the field. Well, and you.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Referenced this before. There was there was no yak yesterday.
Everything was a catch and a tackle, everything right, everything.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
And I watched I.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Watched a lot of four o'clock in nighttime football yesterday,
and I watch a lot of guys who are catching
the ball short passes and they go, there's a lot
of yak, yep, there's none yesterday, And.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
What's what's you? I think part of it is the
guys they have, And that's where a lot of people
I think are is like, ah, Chase is the only
one that can do anything after the catch. I think
the other part is you gotta be in that that
the rhythm, the timing, the positioning, all of those things
I think are Josabash is capable of giving you some yak, right,
I think Mike Asiki might be able to do that.

(54:51):
You know who else I think can do that is
Eric Hall.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
But those those guys went through an entire training camp.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Yeah you're talking about Jamar.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
No, I'm like those guys you just read Andre Yoshovash
went through every practice, right, your call was cleared a
little bit later, but but went through basically a normal
training camp.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Mike get sick.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
You're saying, why not, I just give me.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
An offense where if we're gonna throw it short, it
can't be thrown short, get tackled. It's gotta be thrown
short and turn up field to make a play.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Get him in space, no doubt, no doubt. And that's
that's where it goes hand in hand, because I think
some of that might be accuracy, but some of it
certainly play calling. Like play calling was an issue yesterday,
no doubt, not the only issue, right, there's a thousand sure,
and Joe is above play calling, by the way, Yeah,
because when Joe's playing great, he can overcome it doesn't matter, right,

(55:40):
but my God, like, yeah, give him some easy, easy completions.
And and maybe that's maybe that's putting Chase Brown in
the slot. Maybe it's getting Zack Mawson Chase Brown on
the field at the same time. Well, I don't know
what it is. It's gotta be something.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
But that was the thing.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
All I've heard for years is versatility and chess pieces
and positionless football. And you know the reason they did
all these things tight end is because they.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Can move Getsicki around it.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
To be fair, he nearly caught a touchdown pass, but
it looked like a preseason game plan.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
They were taking Mike off the field on third down.
Why for Hudson. Hudson's not a better blocker than Mike.
They're the same, right, So that's weird. So I think
that changes too.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
It looked like a preseason offense.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
It did, and so can they Will they figure it out?

Speaker 3 (56:26):
How much is that a reflection of Dan Pitcher.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
I think there is some evolution, or you need to
evolve some when you have these new coaches, and there's
some growing pains when you do it. Brad Craigthorpe now
on the sideline, Dan Pitcher up in the booth. Well,
Brian Callahan's been in the booth for five years. Dan
Pitcher's been next to Joe when Joe struggled. Now Brad
is doing that. That matters. Sure, and there is there's

(56:56):
some impact, but from like an x's and o's like,
I think Dan knows the stuff. I think Brad is
very comfortable next to Joe. Like I think all of
those things are fine. But yeah, when crap hits the
fan week one and you go three and out, three
straight possessions and then you have a fumble on the
goal line, that's much different than just going up and
down the field or going down the field against Tampa

(57:18):
Bay in a preseason game, And it gets hard.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Should they have played the guys who matter most more
in the preseason?

Speaker 4 (57:25):
No, they got so much work in the joint practices.
In the joint practices you want to talk about pass rush.
Miles Murphy got hurt like he was your guy. There
are a lot of people today saying Sam Hubbard played
too much. You gotta get Joseph Osi in there. No,
Miles Murphy was that guy and he's hurt now, and
so could you imagine if they had two more injuries

(57:47):
because they did that like it's it isn't worth it.
I get the logic, but I think mentality and needing
more work are way different. In mentality wise, you got
to have a tackling mentality, and they did not yesterday.
And you've got to be aggressive at times, whether it's
pushing the ball down the field or finding ways to
generate offense. And clearly they didn't do nearly enough yesterday.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Twenty eight away from five o'clock, he's James or Peene
Where to Twin Peaks in Florence, Tonian Football Show.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
We are here until six. At some point I'm going
to make you talk about the Barricay game.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Oh that should be a dog I literally had. Yeah,
we'll talk about it that when we come back. I
was about the rant.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Yeah, well, let you ran.

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Speaker 3 (59:01):
James just got his burgers. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Bengals Line tonight six to nine on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Bengals in Chiefs Sunday on ESPN fifteen thirty. Pregame starts
at noon. Monday Night Football Tonight Aaron Rodgers and the
Jets in San Francisco or Santa Clair to take on
the forty nine Ers. If you're looking for the Mark
Stoop Show, by the way, that's at six on Fox
Sports thirteen sixty. Reds and Braves play a makeup game
tonight in Atlanta. This game was originally gonna be played

(59:28):
in July and it was rained out, so the play
tonight six to forty. First pitch on seven hundred wl W.
We can step aside from the Bengals for a second
and talk about.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Did you see that catch just now? That was I
was stepped on my mic cord. A headset goes flying,
Well done, saved it from landing in my punch up.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah, you're better with the headset than Tanner Hudson is
with the football.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Yeah football.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Did you watch Bearcat game on Saturday?

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Yeah? Yeah, I did. They had him and you let
him off the hook.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
That's one way of putting it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
When you're up three scores. What's the goal to maybe
not give up big plays? Is that? Yeah, just keep
it in front, not give up the run, you know,
okay with the run, not give up big passing plays.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I don't know that the scheme they have works. I
mean three three five, I don't know that it works
with the personnel they have.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
I was talking with my guy Russ Heltman about this
and he said the same thing. And it's like it
was just so easy. Oh, and momentum change so quick,
and it even when you're you're up to and you
have a shot like one stop Zach would have punted,
but you're up to one. You need one stuff to
win the game. And then a ton of time and

(01:00:48):
just finds a guy to get in the field goal range. Yeah,
just right on the sideline, out of bounds. Just really easy,
happy go like like I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Understand in a three three five, okay, we got we
gotta get pressure with three that's hard to do. That's fine.
You have eight guys in coverage. How do you giving
up big plays?

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Running free? Like running free? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Well, re eight dudes in coverage. That doesn't that the
math doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Yeah, that's and I know it was a concern coming
in like into the season, like will they be able
to stop the big plays? But man, that that's literally
do three eight. Yeah, you don't even do three three five?

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Three eight? Yeah you're up twenty one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I just there were so many moments in that game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
And it's easy to say once they lose, but there
were so many moments in that game where I had
this feeling like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
God, it's this is this is closer than it should be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
The end of the first half, Yep, they missed a
chippy field goal, allow Pitt to get into the field
goal range.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
You have a good kicker, six point swing six point swings.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
So instead of twenty to three, and we're gonna make
this guy who really can't throw come back from down
three scores, which they still did do. It's an eleven
point game, and you feel like the door's open, and
then it's they settle for three, They come out of
a timeout, they throw an end zone fade kick the
field goal. It's twenty seven to six, and again you

(01:02:08):
ought to win the game, but it's it should have
been thirty four or thirty one to six.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yes, different game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
It's over. It's over. Then it's over. You have four possessions.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Uh pit scores you see gets on the other side
of the fifty. Kinder runs for twenty six. They try
a flea flicker, maybe get a little bit too cute.
Next two passes are incomplete.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Put it away, yep, and you're just you know, now,
door's way open.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Right, Uh, Second and one up to Kinder. I don't
know if he pulls himself out. I don't know if
they take him out. But after he gets you nine, Yeah,
you can't get the one yard and just and then
when they didn't they are and putted it away.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Yeah, well then you know, you just kind of knew.
So that's the sinner. That's the sequence. Second and one
I walk into the other room. Kinder gets nine into
the other room. It's best case scenario. You're yeah, you
can run clock. You didn't get the first down too soon.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
It's better than running for a first down, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Yes, And Kinder's not on the field. Yeah, I don't
get it has to be on the field and you
have to call it time out. Is he not his
most valuable player right then.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
He was the best player on the field on site.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
And he's what you needed most. He gets the ball.
Can they stop him three straight times?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I would have found out three straight and I and again,
like I understand he might have been gassed. That's why
you have time out, no doubt. Let's call it time
hil o'clock. Call time out, and then get.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
The first down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
The game is not over at that point, but it's
pretty damn close. You need one more first down. I'm
not throwing it there at all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Threw it on third.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
He had been giving you through a game, through seven
and a half quarters. You're very content with everything he's
given you. Yeah, you got to run the ball to
get that game over. And I that's second and one.
That's second and eleven doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Make any sense, doesn't Nor does Joe Royer catching three passes. Yeah, Like,
if there's an NFL player on that team.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
No doubt that's him three on the first half. Am
I wrong? I think feels that way. Yeah, And then
there's just thank you all High State, no question.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
But I mean, like Cincinnati is like tight end you
and and for years in those situations you thought, okay,
when we're trying to sault the game away. Sure, when
when we're having some other issues offensively.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
We could, yeah, maybe play action in the flat a
little dump off for eighteen and then there's just catching
run the general theme of the game. And like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
The reality is, when they hired Scott Sadderfield, there were
a lot of people who were not entirely on board
and last season didn't help. And I gave him a
pass for last season because I think he deserved. It's
hard to be a new head coach, especially in this
environ in the new add to it a harder league.
So fine, yeah, uh, but you have a real hard

(01:05:06):
time convincing anybody who's skeptical that you're the guy when
you blow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
That league, especially because after everything, it's it's similar to
the Bengals in a sense that after everything, you still
have the lead, uh huh, and you have a chance
to go win the game. How are you gonna win
the game? Bengals? It's Burrow like, that's it. It doesn't
matter how bad he's played. Kinner's cooking, Yes, he's cooking

(01:05:30):
best in the field. So it's it's the opposite and
after everything that's happened, your defense. Fine, you're up to
you're at home. You you're one yard away from a
first down. There's no way that can end in anything
but a first down. And you're punting. Ye can't happen.
Ye can't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
They didn't even try to draw him off side. There's
like fourth and two, fourth and three, they didn't even
live midfield.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Went for it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, I'm not giving them the ball back. I've just
watched my defense in the fourth quarter look entirely guessed.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
And that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
And by the way, I know they have a great punter,
but they don't have a great cover team. So Mason
Fletcher did pretty good kick. They couldn't keep it from
rolling into the end zone. I'm going for it there,
and and that's why. If it's second and one and
Corey's tired, it's three straight more three straight Corey runs.
If I have to call another time out, like it's fine,

(01:06:21):
I'd let let the play clock run down and then
call it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
I'm going down with my best. Corey was the best
player on the field. And those are the type of
scenarios that because you're gonna give up leads that that's
gonna happen. Sure, but if sadderfield manages that and we're
not pointing to that, like if they just get stopped, right,
I don't think it's the It feels nearly as bad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Correct if if they if he's like, screw this, I'm
going for it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
That's it. It's fourth and one. Like, let's say they
stop him the first two times and they wouldn't have.
They wouldn't have. But that's that. That that that's what's annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Corey gets tackled in the backfield and it's third and
five and okay, now we try something to throw it
in complete. Pass feels different. It feels different, no doubt.
In real time it felt like, oh boy, but I'm
with you. I go forard and fourth down just because
I've watched what my defense can't do.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
And again, that's that mindset going into that drive. We're
gonna end the game here, that's it, right, And I
don't know why, Like do they not look at the
clock in this situation and realize it and be like,
all right, this is how we're gonna end the game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
You know it was Dan said this on the broadcast.
You don't want to take any credit away from Pittsburgh.
They did do what they had to do to win
the game. That game was lost more than it was won, sure,
And I've it's the worst loss I can't remember, and
I've been meaning to look this up. I can't remember
a time in my life where they have blown a

(01:07:50):
three touchdown lead in my life where they've blown a
three touchdown lead, specifically in the second half. And again,
it's one thing if it happens against a really good team,
where you're like, you know what, the other the better
team just eventually won the game, no doubt, like we
thought was gonna happen with the Bengals yesterday. It's something
else when it happens against a team you were favored
to beat, middle of the pack, acc team that had
a quarterback that had all sorts of issues all afternoon, and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
You let him throw it to lose, Yeah, because they're
wide open to lose.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
That game is beyond disheartening.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
It is the worst I can remember, because you're like,
think about it, You're thinking two and oh, chance to
go three and oh their favorite this week? Like and
now it's like, all right, well two and one is
that gona feels good? Even if you do handle business?

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Like God, I mean, I'm like a lot. I'm sure
a lot of fans were doing what I was doing
early ish in the game, like, Okay, they're the better team.
They can go to Miami and win, they can beat
Houston and win, and that game in Olympic is winnable.
That's five and oh yeah, now a lot would have
to happen. Now, no one's doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
No, no, And that's that's what sucks, because that little
decision for Scott could change his entire tenure here without question,
like that. That's what we're talking about here, is that
not running it with Corey three straight more three straight
times second and one and it's just like or two
because again I don't think it gets to fourth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Back whether it matters or not. Like people got to
be on board.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
And I just know it's gonna take a lot more
than getting the victory bell back or winning a couple
of games for anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
It's not the standard. It's not.

Speaker 7 (01:09:25):
It is not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
It shouldn't, it shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, it's gonna take so much for him to get
anybody who's fully out to even think about coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
And those people that were cautiously optimistic are now much
closer to out right than they were seventy two hours ago.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Yeah, it's it's just it's hard that that was That
was a extraord I mean, disheartening. Is one very gudle.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
I thought they had it one and I didn't say
anything out of Jacob they wanted. I was like, man,
they're playing well and bat Holman, that's not a very
good team.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
You're playing again. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
It is eleven away from five o'clock. We'll jump back
into yesterday's Bengals game. Another loss, and uh all went
into it. James Rapene is with us all since Bengals
talk enter.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
The charge sor right. You got lots on Begels.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
You've made a lot of change.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
It's not my fault.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Yeah, Brendaman and Jones on baseball is coming up next
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
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I don't know, but Twin Peaks and Florence, tons of TVs.
Great James Rapeen's here. He got the Billionaire Bacon Club Burger.
Was that what you got Yes, I got the meatball skillet.
We both got big tall beers.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
I feel like I'm a billionaire now, do you so?
I'm about the way you weren't already. I'm about to
pay Jamar si money. It's about to happen, Jamar Chase.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
There's no cash flow issues with you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Come come play football for Bengals Talk dot Com.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Bengals Talk dot Com and Earth the Jungle, the Locked
on Bengals podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Would Die got Jamar catching passes while I discussed the
Bengal I think that'd be pretty cool. That would be awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Uh who would he be catching passes from?

Speaker 8 (01:12:18):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Might might have to hire Tony?

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Somebody? Can Tony throw the ball more than five yards?

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Might get might get an eight? At this stage, Joe
couldn't yesterday. Tony maybe could have to. I can't believe
I'm saying this. Yeah, well I won't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Tell him anyway. Uh the game yesterday. We'll get back
into the ins and outs of it. What is because
there's you could look at the game in a vacuum
and go, okay, well it was a bad performance. Yeah,
And you could take the game and use it to
totally readjust how you feel this team is going to
be I don't think that that's necessarily what you got

(01:12:53):
to do. But what is the appropriate level of concern
sol based on yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Concern? God, you can't just dismiss it. No, and that's
why it's concern. But also realize that they've won one
opener in the Joe Burrow era. Zach's getting torch today,
but one opener in the Joe Burrow era. They're more
than likely going to be zero to two for a

(01:13:25):
third straight season. They make the playoffs both of those
years if Joe can stay healthy. They would have made
the playoffs last year if Joe stayed healthy. Agreed, So
it sucks. It shouldn't have happened. That's a team they
should have beat. And there are concerns why Joe's health,
certainly among them the first one. But they've been here before.

(01:13:48):
They're not going to overreact. I don't need Joe to
say relaxed for me to understand that. But it does suck,
and it sucks even more because you're staring at Patrick
Mahomes and Taylor Swift next week.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Yeah, and Taylor Swift, which is important, but I mean,
like the last two years they've gone into that third
game with it feeling like this is teetering on the
brink here because two, okay, you can recover from that.
Oh to three is obviously a lot more difficult if
you keep doing this at some point, if you keep
starting ohing too, at some point you're gonna start owing three.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Well this now they played at Washington Commanders.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
But still like, if you keep starting oh in two,
at some point you're not gonna be able to recover it.
They did last year. I mean they're five and four
when Joe got hurt, right, so they recovered from it.
They still won more than they lost. But that's what
I keep coming back to, Like, you know, the more
you play with fire, the greater the likelihood of getting burned.

(01:14:43):
So if it's just this is what we're gonna do
every year and start slow and figure out a way
to bounce back from it, win that third game, and
then we're good. By the way, last year they won
the third game, they got destroyed in the fourth and
they got trucked by Tennessee one in three. Like, the
more you do this, at some point, oh we can
come back from oh and two is gonna turn into man,
can we recover from oh and three.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Yeah, for sure, and if we just play, let's play
the schedule game for the next four weeks real quick, right,
So they play the Chiefs, you're gonna say, oh, probably
all right, so they beat beat the Commanders.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I mean my guess is yes, okay, but yeah, but
but it doesn't feel like the given that it felt
like yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Panthers given so two and two and then Baltimore at.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Home, huge huge swing game two but two and three.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
So maybe three and two, But like, that's what happens
when you lose to a team in the Patriots that
you should beat, that you're better then that it is
gonna win four games this year, maybe maybe three games,
and a bunch of stuff had to go wrong. It
went wrong, and now we're they are not going to
have a winning record at the end of this month.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
And that gets tires.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
In a week ago, I said my minimum for them
in the month of September was three and one. I said,
I said it to Ted right straight up, had him on.
I had him on the end of the jungle. I'm like, hey,
I have you guys three and one wearing a nice suit?
By the way, have you guys three and one minimum
and the the alarming thing, I think outside of health,
and you could speculate about stuff that we just don't

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know about. They wanted to get off to a fast start,
like they said that, Yeah, we don't want to get
cat again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
That's all we heard about.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
And what happened? Did you did it feel urgent? Feel urgent?
It felt it felt like the fourth preseason games.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
I keep saying that, but it legitimately aside from the
atmosphere in the stadium and all the orange which looked awesome,
it felt like a game in August, not September.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
And I need to know why? Is it the contract stuff?
Is it the unknown with Jamal? Is it? But like
and it's no excuse, but why Like why is it?
Why does it feel that way?

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
But first of all, you're right. If there's a difference
between a reason and an excuse, it's not an excuse.
But if it's a reason, why is it a reason?

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Because all I've heard about is Bengals have great culture,
awesome leadership. Everything revolves around Joe. They'll be focused, look
at their coach, look at their quarterback. If they can't
beat the New England Patriots with a first time head coach,
no offensive weapons, a journeyman quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
They just traded away their best guy on defense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
If they can't beat I'm not asking him to win
thirty six Zip, I'm asking him to win seventeen to sixteen.
If they can't do that, because there's a lot of
stuff swirling around.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
The team, what are we doing? I don't want to
hear about culture anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I don't want to hear about what a great leader
Zach is and like, really because because Jamar Chase had
a business issue with the Bengals that prevents them from
playing at their best, guess what, there's gonna be other
business issues. Sure, maybe not with a player as good
or as accomplished as Jamar or as likely to get
paid the kind of money that Jamar is, But there's
always gonna be stuff. You can't handle stuff enough to

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beat the Patriots in your own building the first game.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
But that, to me, the urgency part is what is irking.
Did it ever feel like that they were the more
physical team? No? Did it ever feel like they were
the more disciplined team. No urgency comes with like if
you're like, all right, they didn't feel like they were
the more prepared team none of it, and they still
should have won. That's how bad the Patriots are. And

(01:18:16):
so the fact that they didn't, the fact that all
of these things failed. Joe failed, Zach failed, the offensive
scheme failed, the defense can't, the defense can't tackle. The
ability to tuck the ball failed when you're close to
the goal line, like all of these things. And they

(01:18:40):
can clean a lot of those things up. The problem
is is starting with all of these unforced errors every
single year, it's tiresome and to your point, at some
point it's going to hurt them. Maybe they only get
the wild card this year because of it, and then
they have to go to Baltimore, right, and then they
have to go to Buffalo, and then they have this
road warriors mentality. It sounds good and it's cute. It's hard.

(01:19:03):
Tom Brady didn't go on the road, you know why,
because it sucks. He won when you needed to win,
even when it was ugly in Week one, and they
didn't do that yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Well, look, I keep talking about like get the one seed,
so you don't have they're not getting the one seed, right,
so you don't have never like not playing like that.
But when we talk about them like, oh, okay, this
is their year. The easiest way to do it is
to play as few games as possible. Yeah, and to
play all your games at home. So you know, you
had to play the wild card game two years ago
and Jona Williams gets hurt, and then there's a reverberation

(01:19:33):
because you would have liked to have had him against
Kansas City two weeks later.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
Right, And I mean I keep harping on this. You
can tell me all you want, Well, he keep coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Well if if the two and zho start two years
ago or the oh and two start two years ago
came back to hauntum, right, they still had to go
on the road against Kansas City. Ye, the oh and
two start came back to haunt them last year, and
they wouldn't have been a super Bowl team, but they
could have snuck into the playoffs with Jake Browning that
had been kind of cool. And then take your chances
and see what happens. Like I keep, yes, you could say,
although we're cover, maybe win the division. Three of the

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four teams in the AFC North lost yesterday. I understand it,
but especially if you do start owing two, you're gonna
keep coming back to that Patriots game, like the AFC
is loaded, the seven seed's gonna have.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Ten wins, easy, yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
And you want to lose a tiebreaker to a ten
and seventeen when you go, you know what, if we
beat New England, we're eleven and six and then But.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
That's that's what this is, and what this year was
supposed to be was the for the first time in
the Joe Burrow era, they're dominant from the jump and
their legitimate Super Bowl contenders. Were talking about awards MVPs
Offensive Player of the Years like that's what it should
have been. And instead, after playing him in the preseason,

(01:20:50):
after having two joint practices, what were we talking about
all last week? A contract? Like it should have been
about this should be the best year for this group, yes,
And instead we're talking about losing to a Patriots team
that is more likely to pick first overall than they
are to pick in the teams Like it just it can't,

(01:21:16):
it can't happen, And so now you're really up against
it because you don't get to it's not the Panthers
this week, right, Like if it was the Panthers this week,
it would feel different, but you know that this game
this week was gonna be tough, and the Chiefs are
what the Chiefs are.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
I just it would be so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
And I imagine this scenario where I'm like, what if
they host the Ravens at four and a, right, and
you put pressure on everybody in your division because of
how you play early and how you stack wins early, right,
I just I want that to happen for once instead
of constantly going, okay, get to five hundred by October.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
And then you know, maybe that's where they're at right now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
And by the way, what they did two years ago,
which was awesome, required them to win their last eight games.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Not gonna do that every year?

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
Yeah, they won ten straight?

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Well, ten straight, that's right, Yeah, think about that with
the playoffs, Yes, teams don't do that like in in so.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
At best, they're probably going to be two and two
going in Octobe.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
So like, I come back to like similar themes because
I looked at my social media when they lose to
the Steelers two years ago, and okay, tough matchup because
they prioritized winning Week one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Yeah, Mike Tomlin bought air Force once.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
For everybody they they attack they're physical, they have camp
that's very old school. I understand it Bow's come, Burrough's
coming off an appendectomy, but I remember thinking and stating
publicly the Bengals look unprepared the way they play in
Cleveland last year, the first game again mitigating circumstances, Joe
doesn't have a normal camp. I listened to people making

(01:22:51):
it was rain. It was rain, of course rain. They
lose twenty seventy three the rain. The game looked like
the worst of the nineties, and my takeaway was the
Bengals look unprepared. I sat at the game yesterday and
set out loud on multiple occasions the Bengals look unprepared. Well,
that's not a tooth, that's not a thing. That's just
because of Jamar Chase in his contract.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Then that is a.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Recurring theme in this era. That's a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
It is a problem, and I don't know the solution.
I don't know why because people are gonna say, well,
Zach needs to change what he does in training camp. Right,
that's a lot of people say.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
I think you have to figure out a way to
best balance availability of your players and looking comp I
don't expect you to look like you're gonna look in
week eight.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
The Chiefs didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
On Thursday. They found a way to win. The Ravens
didn't on Thursday. They're a toe away from lining up
for a two point conversion, which they probably get and
going on the road and winning. The didn't play great,
but they figure out a way to play functional football
be in a position to win, and all right, we understand,
we've got to We've got to clean things up by
the time we get to the heart of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
We're here. It's like they use the first two weeks
is the preseason and suffer losses because of it. That's
not acceptable.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
What I would say is they did do things different
this year from the jump playing the starters in week
one of the preseason, uh huh, two joint practices and
it still looks that way, right, So like they made.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Changes, sure, no doubt about it, and clearly.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
Something still felt off, and that the question is why
do you need to hit more and feel And.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
I think it feels more off with each passing year.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
Oh, the Steelers one is the most forgivable, without question,
because you had the long snapper.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Hurt, right, they still almost won.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
The Jamar plays one hundred snaps and Joe's never gonna
turn it over five times. Zach Taylor doesn't challenge the
Jamar touchdown, which wins them the game. Like, there's so
many things that happened, and last year it is a
bad matchup in general.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Yeah, they like they lost to a team that ultimately
went to the post.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
And I could forgive that. Fine, this is well the
worst of those three teams. This Patriots team is the
worst of those teams at home. You think Mike Tomlin
and those Steelers are losing to the Patriots, I'm just
they didn't even score a touchdown, yestuy, And so that's
what's weird. And I don't know what the answer is,
because I think they have guys that care. I think

(01:25:19):
they're working.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Hard well, and I think they have a legitimately good
head coach. Dak Taylor isn't some bomb. I mean, Zach
Taylor's an accomplished head coach in this league. Sure there's
a lot to like about him, no doubt, but there's
this one thing that he just can't seem to figure out.
And you could say, well, they've they've gotten over it
in the past. If this is a recurring theme, at

(01:25:40):
some point that's going to catch up to him, and
you are being reasonable if you combine that with how
the quarterback looked yesterday and wonder is it going to
catch up to him?

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Because they dig themselves too.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
Much of a whole earth and it was just so
many things on top of the other being undisciplined, turning
the ball over off to a slow start on offense,
like Joe struggling. If you pick one of those things
and flip it in the Bengals favor, they win. Yeah,
if you don't go three and out three straight possessions,
you don't have two turnovers. If your your safety that

(01:26:12):
you paid holds onto the ball into the end zone,
you probably would safety three points there. And then he knows,
like there's so many points there where the thing could
have flipped Zach's decision to punt on fourth and five, which,
if you're listening to the podcast later, guess what I've
hammered that one? Yes, like and so yeah, figuring it out.

(01:26:34):
I don't think it's an easy answer because there's like
a thousand things right, and the thousand things feel worse
than they did two years ago when one was because
of an injury to a long snapper.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
So yeah, we do you know a schedule release show,
then you do schedule release still yeah, right, yep. And
as soon as the schedule comes out, we know who
the opponents are going to be, we know where they play,
but we do the let's win win loss.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Just remind me on that night in May of next year. Yeah,
I don't care where the game is, yep. I don't
care who they're playing, L. Week one?

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
How do you? How are you not? It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
I don't care who you are because they shouldn't L.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Like if they played the Patriots today, I would pick them.
They they would pick them right now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Sure they may win the Super Bowl this year and
have a great offseason, and next year they're the odds
on Vegas favorite to win the whole thing. On schedule
release night, I will wager on them going sixteen and
one with a Week one L.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
I get it. How do you not four out of
five with Burrow?

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Right? Like the four out of five?

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Like Zach's first game against Seattle in nineteen, they played well,
they just didn't have a good team.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
That's one in five. I didn't even count that Burrow's
first year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Fine, rookie quarterback who had never played in a preseason game.
My calve's hurt thinking about that game, and they and
Burrow almost wins if not for the it was offensive
pass interferce your calf hurt the Randy Bullock both.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
There we go. So that was hold.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
I don't old those but like the last three years,
next year on schedule release night, Yeah, when everybody's like
Week one, huh, I'm l I will pick the Bengals
to lose every first game until they reverse the trend.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Week Week one against Shadora Sanders and the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Oh Man, Shador Sanders.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I'll tell you what if I'm that kid, I'm going
to Dad going, Buddy, can can you stop making guy
co commercials?

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Can you give me some offensive lineman?

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Right? I agree with right? I mean can you can you?

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Can you give me somebody who could block?

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
I don't know which team's offense was work Pat Shermer's
Colorado offense against Nebraska or what I saw from Zach
Taylor and Dan Pitcher and Joe Burrow yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
I actually think it was the Colorado offense.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
It was awful. It was Nebraska had a lot to
do with that, but it was it was really awful.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
The Patriots are.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Dion Sanders is in every damn commercial like Sam Hubbard,
I see him in a lot of commercials.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Barely saw him on the field yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
He was on the field a lot he was on
was on the field, yes Now what he did on
the field when he was on the field is different,
frustrating a lot to prove. Yeah, you should be That's
a game they should have won because it's it's all
of these scenarios. Joe Burrow may be still dealing with
the wrist right in working through it, Zach stinking as

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a play call, Like if all these things playoff, they
should still win that game.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Is it the worst loss of the Zach Taylor era?

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Yeah, because there's expectations, Sure, of course, I think it
is too. Yeah, it's not even because there's expectations. You're
a huge favorite, you're at home eight thousand things could
have went wrong and you win that game.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
I think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
It's not first two years, not even close. You get
to a super Bowl in the AFC Championship game last year,
you know it's it's definitely this one easily.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Yeah, it's twenty five minutes after how about that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
For MMQB instant reaction. I just mean the worst loss
of the Zach Taylor earrow.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Where it is?

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
You know it is?

Speaker 7 (01:29:57):
It is?

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
I agree with you. I don't think we're being dramatic.
I but that is very peak.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Week one walks to my car yesterday thinking, okay, we
have five seasons and a game's worth. Has there been
one worse? And the answer is not Yes. No, twenty
square way late twenty six, after all, five clocks almost
over you Having been on the other end of this,
you know how frustrated.

Speaker 4 (01:30:19):
Is clock management? Twenty six? See you don't care so much, now,
do you? No?

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
I mean you can.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
You could punt any time you want. Most See what
you did is you went for it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
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was twenty one of twenty nine for one hundred and
sixty four yards, a quarterback rating of fifty six point two,
a QBR fifty six point two, a traditional NFL passer

(01:31:23):
rating of eighty six. He was sacked three times, and,
as Ben Baby shared in his piece, according to ESPN
Stats and Information, sixteen of his first twenty pass attempts
were within five yards of the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
So you want to know where the Ben and Baby
Ben Baby thing came from, please shout out to Eli Apple.
He was walking off of the field the name. I
was hoping I would have to talk about it after
a win. Yeah, And he got caught on camera going
Ben Maybey and Ben and Baby and ever since then.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
That's how you took it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Good deal.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
I was excited to talk about Eli? How bad things are?

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
Hey, it could have been way worse yesterday. I see
Eli could have been out there and done what.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
How was he gonna help?

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
I'm saying worse?

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Was jacobyseecon? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Stiff armed him to them?

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Was he gonna expose Eli Apple?

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
Who is more light on their feet? Jacoby said? Or
Tony Pike? Because on Friday I would have said probably Tony.
And now did you see what uh gered Mayo said
on we I know he said, Jacoby said, is the
slowest black quarterback in the league and yet was able
to run against the back. That's the Patriots head coach,

(01:32:36):
not me. I was walking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I was walking out of the stadium yesterday. In the
word it was high angry young man factor. They're on
Third Street and Freedom Way.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
I'm sure they were made.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Among the things people were mad about that Drod Mayo
got a gatorade bath.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
It's his first NFL win.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
Oh yeah, well are you serious?

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Of course? Yeah, there are people mad about that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
Ask Zach how much he would have liked to have
that and see versus week thirteen or right? Did he
get a Gatoraye bath in week thirteen. I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
I think if you wait that long, you should get one.
But I remember week one, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Marvin got a Gator Ray bath. Bruce Coslet's first game,
I remember vividly, interim coach against the Jags got a
Gatorade bath.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
So yeah, I had no problem with that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
It didn't hit me at the game.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
But watching the NFL network last night as they're zipping
around the league and they show that it's weird watching
the Patriots without Bill Belichick. It was weird watching them
without Tom Brady, but it's it's weird watching them without Bill.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Yeah, it is weird. It is you think called coach again.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
So I was listening to a media podcast where the
host had this theory. Bill Belichick has like five media jobs.
Now he's having Pat McAfee's on Instagram. Yep, he's doing
commercials and so he didn't get hired by the Falcons
and the rest of the league just sort of said thanks,
but no thanks yep, because they don't want this non fun,

(01:34:02):
grumpy like that's not what they want to be about, right,
And so Bill's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Doing this rebrand yep. In an effort to Hey, look,
i'm mom hip, I'm fun'd.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Be cool at the press conference, I'm interesting. I think
this is a and I agree. Like I nodded along
as I was listening to this, going like, yeah, this
makes sense. He's doing this in an effort to rebrand
himself for NFL teams during the next coaching cycle. By
the way, I want him to get back in the
league because I think him with a new team is interesting.

(01:34:34):
Him chasing down the all time wins record is interesting.
I also think it's interesting him coaching with somebody else
picking the players, for sure, and.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
I totally agree with that. I think he is rebranding.
I think he's going to coach somewhere. Maybe the New
York Giants would be an early leader for that, but no,
I think that the Cowboys, the Eagles, depending on what
happens with those teams. The Bengals look at you, look
at you a week one bearcuts Bart, Yes, yes, how

(01:35:06):
much do you think that would cost him?

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Cost a lot?

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
A lot?

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
But I heard this theory and it made sense because
you know, if you hear about the Patriots culture over
the last couple of years, and I mean he did
win six titles, but just nobody like coming to work dour, grumpy,
like that's just that's not I don't think what teams
want to project. So here he is on Instagram doing

(01:35:29):
door dash commercials, going on Pat McAfee and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
Now look a barrel laughs. Bills fun bills would be interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
I mean, there's so many teams, Jaguars, the.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
Bills would be interesting because Sean McDermott, to me, feels like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
A slightly more accomplished version of Marvin Lewis, where he
does a lot of really good stuff, but you're just
not sure he can get you over, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
And I got Josh Allen.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
Yeah, I got the quarterback, no doubt. I mean that's
a huge, huge part of it. But no, I think
he's gonna get a job. I would have already have
hired him. If I was Philly, I would have. If
I Atlanta should have.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Yeah, come on, I want to see him, yeah, back
in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
I hope. So I think it'll happen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Who which fan base should be most concerned this morning? Cleveland,
which at home lays a total egg against. By the way,
Dallas had a lot of noise, somehow found a way
to play football yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Wild the quarterback agrees to a contract before the game.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
A lot of a lot of stuff with a wide receiver,
a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
And you know, I'm not sure how good the Cowboys
are going to be, but figured out a way to
focus on game day on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Cleveland Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
I don't think should be worried at all in play
great still almost won the game Pittsburgh. That was a
Pittsburgh Steeler type win.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
They won, so their fans aren't panicked. Cleveland Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
I agree, Deshaun Watson. I mean, it's not even Burrow
has turned it around. We've seen that Burrow was good
as recently his last October. DeShawn was good as recently
as four years ago. Deshaun Watson hasn't been good on
a winning team since Burrow was at LSU.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Yeah nineteen, Yeah, right, on a winning team.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Now. He put up big numbers in twenty twenty on
a losing team and then lost a Brandon Allen. So
just putting that out there too, So yeah, I did
lose to Brandon Allen. Good call like Week sixteen, like
this idea that oh DeShawn was just didn't have anything around.
He lost a Brandon Allen, a crappy Bengals team, like,
let's chill. So yeah, I think he's pretty cooked and

(01:37:42):
it would not shock me if Jameis Winston is starting
at some point. Someone told me, and this is crazy
to me, that Deshaun Watson there was at least some
level of threat with Joe Flacco, like locker room wise. Huh,
So they'd and re signed Joe Flacco because they wanted
it to make it clear that Deshaun was the start.

(01:38:03):
That's isn't that insane? Yeah, Flacco is like your age,
it's not quite that old. He's pretty close to your
age in your franchise quarterback. Could you imagine thinking that
Joe Burrow is threatened by Jake Browning? You know what
I'm saying, though, that's unbelievable because he won a couple
of games last year and so anyways, Yeah, it would

(01:38:26):
definitely be Cleveland. Yeah, worked at home, worked And I
don't think the Cowboys are that great. No, I think
they have some really great players. Dak not great, right,
it wasn't great yesterday. No, you're playing running back for them?
I can't take the pay cut. It's a twenty one
away from six o'clock. That's right, sure, Bengals Talk dot Com.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Enter the jungle.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
By the way, you readdoing the book, not if the
games looked like yesterday the book before last year. Did
you do a book that has twenty twenty three?

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
No? Should we add twenty three? Give me a reason
to add.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
The win over Minnesota? That was cool?

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
Oh t does a cool catch? No? No, need more
than that. Trying to sell you some books, man, No,
the book's still there. You don't need the twenty three
season to get the book.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
You should doing me because you never should have cut me. No,
I will when they give you know, a Lombardi reason
twenty away?

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Fright?

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
No? You Yes, that's the way to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
Not. Hey, here's Joe Burrow going twenty one to fifty one.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
You can do a book on successful season openers of
the last six years.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Wow, the quickest project you've ever done.

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
Here's this ten word project twenty away from how they
beat the Vikings at twenty one. It should have lost?
It should have lost that pigs at four God.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
You've been listening to football in Thenetti on the official
home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
From six o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
By the way, Bengals Line is on this station tonight
and starting at six on ESPN fifteen thirty, James.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
Open is with us.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
By the way that like USMO, I got you, I
get the reference.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Yeah, well you're a little wrap up video when you
got your suit jacket on that freeby from.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
Romaldo's wrap up video, little wrap up video.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
I was watching the clip from the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Yeah,
and you had a suit on suit jack it off.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Yeah. Did you get that for doing your show at Romaldo's.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
I wouldn't say I got it for doing the show there,
but I really enjoyed doing the show at Romaldo's. That
was good.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
I enjoyed watching Did.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
You thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
That's awesome. He made it easy his idea. By the way, I.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Don't know that there's been an athlete that I have
seen that has been such a short amount.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Of time who's not a star. He's a good player,
not a star.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
No, wrap his arms around the city the way Ted
has in a very organic way.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
And they've embraced him the same, right, like it's the
same yea, he loves it here they love him and
so yeah, I agree with that. I think I know
what his next job is gonna be, but I don't
want to say it on air. I'll tell you after. Really,
how about that for a tease.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Selling suits at Romaldo's. Maybe if I keep saying Romaldo's,
will I get some swag out of it?

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
You're trying to get a suit? Huh? Yeah, I need
a game day suited. Maybe we should go to remond.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
I don't need a game day suit. I just need
to going to a wedding with my wife in November.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
There we go. That's game day, all right. Do you
wear EyeBlack when you know that you're about to out
drink everyone else at the open bar at a wedding?
You put on the eye black because you're a gay?

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
Because everybody already knows that's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
It's just inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Yeah, I know everybody already knows.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
Okay, Yeah, so inevitable. Like Joe Burrow balling his hands
fourth quarter, game on the line, gonna go score, see.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Watch watch them win on Sunday and then watch then
things are gonna change.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
Well, sure, yeah, if you go beat the defending change
in their place.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
I've got to burrowhead and now he's got two wins there.
Just then then, you know, get back to me with this.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
Whole in too thing. Sure you know what that's like saying,
you know, go climb Mount Everest and then tell me
like it's just such a climb. That will be a
one score game. They always play one score games. I
don't know the Chiefs as great as they have been,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
Know in this run not a ton of blowouts against
certainly against good teams.

Speaker 4 (01:42:23):
You gotta be able to stop the run though. All right,
they're gonna lose Isaiah a check like I'm not even
worried about Mahome.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
You're right, you're on a hundred percent like.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
So if they keep it away from Burrow, they can
get pressure on Burrow and they can run it. So
we'll see. I'm not gonna say never say net you know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
They have a shot. Taylor Swift will be there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Think she's gonna say aid to me. I hope so
she should for your sake. I'll tell you what you
wear that suit jacket and Taylor sees you Travis. Look
at all those here.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
I come, by the way, watch a lot of football
over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Yeah, maybe a little bit too much Kelsey Brothers on
TV right now?

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Every commercial does does I mean I love him? Let
mean you see guy?

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
A little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Well, advertiser's if you're looking for someone else to be
in those commercials, here, I am me and mo are here,
especially if Romaldo's you're really worried about this wedding November ninth,
it's forever away.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
Too much RSVP like this week? Well, rs VP today
my cousin Taylor's wedding. I need a suit.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
Taylor, Taylor's wedding. Yeah, Taylor's wedding. Can't say that this week.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
It's true. All right, thank you for filling in. I'll
talk to you week one next year.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
I hope to talk to you sooner. We will, yes,
of course, I promise never to pun on fourth and
five with the game on the line.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Thanks to the staff here at Twin Peaks. Thanks to
James for filling in. I'm at the b Dubs in
Westchester tomorrow. Paul Danner General will be with me. Andrew
Whitworth is going to call in. Thanks to terror plan
for producing about that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
We're done, have a great night. Thank you for listening.
Bengals Line is next. Thanks to Mike Mills for producing
Onsite as well.

Speaker 8 (01:44:08):
We have to go.

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