9/11/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Coverage begins Sunday at noon. Yeah not ESPN fifteen thirty,
the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
And if you want, you could go watch that game
inside the venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium, even
though the game is gonna be played in Kansas City.
And I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm not gonna
be there. I'll be at Dickmans. And I hope you
joined me at Dickmans. But I think it's okay the

(00:26):
Bengals are doing this even though they're kind of being
made fun of by some circle, some corners of the internet.
What's up, muleagg or ESPN fifteen thirty, Thanks for listening.
Hopefully you're having an awesome Wednesday. This is going to
be a shorter segment than usual at the top of
the show because Joe Burrow is scheduled to speak, hopefully
today on time. He is scheduled to speak with the

(00:50):
assembled Pro Football media at three point fifteen, and so
we're gonna carry that for you live because I know
that you can't get enough Burrow, and I know we
all want to know if he's at least close to
one hundred percent or if he thinks he's at least
close to one percent, So we'll have that for you.

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Joe Burrow. You'll hear his answers. Of course, you will
not hear the questions because wireless microphone technology has not
made its way to the venue originally known as Paul
Brown Stadium. Zach Taylor did talk earlier today and said
they're taking a day to day with T Higgins. T
obviously didn't play the first game against the Patriots, and

(01:34):
it's up in the air as to whether or not
he is going to play on Sunday, and it does amplify,
I guess, the discussion about Tea and whether or not
he was worth investing in long term when you've got
this reoccurrence of this one particular issue. We're going to
spend a little bit of time on T Higgins with
one of the experts from Ortho Sinsey coming up at

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four point thirty three. Also, Danny Knell is on the
show at five oh five to talk college football, Uce
and Miami. There's a Jason Williams column on the Bearcats
that we'll get to a little bit later on. And
even though they are playing out the string, Rat Louder
pitched in his third big League game last night and
just his twenty fifth as a pro, and I enjoyed watching.

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I'm tempering my enthusiasm because I think that's what we're
supposed to do with everything Reds related right now. But
I enjoy watching him also, I want we all do.
If you're a Bengals fan, you want the Bengals to
win on Sunday, even if like I wasn't if I
was one of those talk show hos who put on
like a professor's hat and kind of talked down to everybody,

(02:43):
like I was above caring about who wins football games,
like it's more fun when they win, it's not as
fun when they're zero to two. I care about the
result of Saturday's game. I want the Bengals to win.
I want them to score one more point than the
Kansas City Chiefs. I want and to cover the number.
Right now there's six point dogs. But I'll be honest

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with you, who wins the game isn't as interesting to me.
I care about the results. I don't care about it
as much. I know you're shaking your head as you
often do when I say things, and going, what the
hell is he talking about? I promise I'll make it

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make sense. I want the Bengals to win, but there's
something else I care about a hell of a lot more.
In fact, that might be the basis of one of
our poll questions, as I come to think about it.
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some reporting on what exactly the sticking point was between
the Bengals and Jamar Chase. And now I'm in a
tough spot because this is a development. It's a new
develop reporting by our friend James. But I made a
vow yesterday that I wasn't really going to talk about
Jamar Chase anymore because what new stuff was there? But
now there is, you know, some new stuff, and so

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I think we have to talk about it, which we will.
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we're gonna squeeze a break in and then we're hoping
to hear from Joe Burrow because he is supposed to
talk at three fifteen. Last week he was eleven. Maybe

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that's why he played poorly. Maybe his equilibrium was thrown
off starting with Wednesday when he was eleven minute late,
eleven minutes late to his press conference. I don't know.
We'll find out. We'll hopefully hear from the quarterback of
the Bengals when we come back. It's ten minutes after
three o'clock. I'm oegger. Glad you were with us today
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football season, with three locations in northern Kentucky. Long Neck
Sports Grill, Stay long, come often. It's three seventeen. Joe
Burrow was scheduled to meet with the assembled Pro Football
media at three point fifteen. This makes him officially late.
Joe has typically been a pretty punctual guy, and you

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know his availability and where he is during his work
day might not be completely and totally dictated by him.
But we are in a bit of a holding pattern
for Joe Burrow. Like the T. Higgins injury stinks. It
stinks for Tea, it stinks for the Bengals. They're better
with T. Higgins than they are without them. And he
needed to use this season then still needs to use

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this season to show that he could stay healthy. And
by the way, there's plenty of time for him to
do that. But stay healthy and be productive and then
go get the sort of contract he's looking for. And
the Jamar Chase noise continues to hover in the air,
and I understand it. And there's lots of questions about
the defense and the tackling and how bad they were

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on the ground and should they regret letting Joe Mixon
get away. They traded him to the Texans and he
was awesome there. Last week, I believe I saw AFC
Offensive Player of the Week. Good for him. He had
a great game and he's on a team that's got
some dudes. Now. Stefan Diggs first game was terrific. CJ.
Stroud was sacked a bunch, But that Houston team is

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really good. It feels like a really good fit for
Joe Mixon. Nothing else really matters except Joe Burrow and
his performance. And his performance is tied to his health,
to his comfort level, his preparation, and you know, time

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may prove and Joe may insist. What we saw on
Sunday was an outlier, and maybe it was the result
of a lot of different factors, what New England was
doing first game of the season, rust him being confused
by stuff, the Jamar Chase thing, t Higgins not being available,

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Maybe he got uncomfortable early because he took some early hits.
Whatever it was. Joe Burrow played poorly, and they're not
going to take away your Bengals jersey or your Joe
Burrow jersey if you say that, by the way, he
played poorly. So what I'm interested in moving forward is
how much does that game on Sunday prove to be

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an outlier where by the middle of November we go
remember that first game the Bengals played where Joe Burrows stunk.
Oh boy boy, you kind of forget it because of
how good he is right now, or does it foreshadow
something moving forward, specifically as it relates to his health.

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I know this is gonna sound weird. I know it's
gonna sound weird. I almost don't care if the Bengals
win on Sunday, because what Sunday is about for me
is do I see the Joe Burrow that I used
to see? Do I see the Joe Burrow that's capable
of elevating his team moving forward and getting his team

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not just to the playoffs, but carrying them to playoff victories.
I know this sounds weird. If I see a better
Joe Burrow, a more comfortable Joe Burrow. If I see
a Joe who's willing and able to throw the ball downfield,
who looks comfortable and confident, and you know, as cliche

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as it sounds, is throwing passes with some zip and
has complete control of the offense and is willing to
take a calculated risk here or there. If I see
that guy, if I see that quarterback, the result of
the game is almost irrelevant. I said this to Tony

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off Air. Understand Here, for me, the keyword is almost.
If I can have two choices, Bengals go to Kansas City,
Joe plays like he did against New England, it raises
more questions about his health and how he's feeling. And

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yet they, somehow, some way eke out a nineteen to
seventeen victory. I would almost prefer they lose forty one
thirty eight and Joe looks like Joe again. Almost Joe
is set to talk. Here's the quarterback of the Bengals

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chatting with the Assemble Pro Football MEETIA conversation. What's behind that?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, I'm doing that all the time. And when you
come back from injury, you're always trying to keep a
joint loose. That's part of ligament injuries. If you don't
move it, you're gonna lose it. So I'm always moving around,
keeping keeping it loose, keeping my mobility the way that
it's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
So you know it's gonna continue to happen. I do
it at home, I do it here. I do it
all the time.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
How about did they need how the us feeling after
we played our game being did?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
What do you feel like that?

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:45):
It feels great.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Feel feels better this week than it did last week,
then it did the week before, so it's continually getting better.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
When you watch it.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
What's the best in.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Our best day? I think we were and we were
good in spots. We weren't consistently good play to play.
We didn't find the explosives need to win that game.
We didn't play well enough to win that game. We
turned the ball over. Uh, you know, a combination of
a lot of things.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
What's behind that kind of what's behind.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
That kind of manners?

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, I'm doing that all the time.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
And when you're coming back from injury, you're always trying
to keep the joint loose. That's part of ligament injuries.
If you don't move it, you're gonna lose it. So
I'm always moving around, keeping keeping it loose, keeping my
mobility the way that it's supposed to be. So you
know it's gonna continue to happen. I do it at home,
I do it here. I do it all the time.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
And you've watched this is held up the leak.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
How has a feeling after we playing out of game
being hit or do you feel like that's happen?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
It feels great.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Feel feels better this week than it did last week,
then it did the week before, So it's continually getting better.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
When you watch the film plisted up.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
And our best day, I think we were and we
were good in spots. We weren't consistently good play to play.
We didn't find the explosives needed to do win the game.
We didn't play well enough to win that game. We
turned the ball over. Uh, you know, a combination of
a lot of things like those losing that game, you
got to.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Look like go back you but it looked like they
were there.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
There were times where you could have pushed the balling
out field, found you more downfield more often.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
Did you see some of those spots when you watched them,
or you thought you'd even missed a couple of opportunities there?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know, there were you know, there were a couple.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
That that we could have taken advantage of that we didn't.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
That we didn't, but they did a good job.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
They they got out early and then they they kept
everything in front of them, knew where their their help
was and and funneled everything that way.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
So you know, we can do a better job taking
advantage of those opportunities.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Aside from maybe the.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
Tag of the team, is anything else, is maybe any
review from being able to push the homeing downfield like
we were life.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
At this sportant. No, I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 9 (12:53):
How important is it to regardless of what the defense
is showing, you make a concervative effort to push the deep.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, it depends on the looks that you're getting. You know,
if forgetting one on one, I need to take advantage
of those opportunities. If if we're not, I'm not going
to force things and throwing receptions, and I'm going to
take what the defense gives me. That's, uh, in my opinion,
part of why I've been so good. So we can
obviously do a much better job of taking advantage of
those one on one opportunities. Uh, And there were a

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couple on Sunday that we didn't and and so we
need to do a better job of recognizing that, myself included.
But I'm going to continue to play the play the
game the way that I feel like I need to
play to win the game.

Speaker 8 (13:36):
But your risk isn't preventing you from throwing any throws
that you throw in the pass.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
No, absolutely notout winning the water discussions about how what
did I do?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Apparently it's just the way you picked it up that
they said the mind be something wrong with the worst
than something.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
I picked it up. Weird, did you feel?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
I don't know, I drenk water. I don't, can't I've
seen that or know what anybody's talking about.

Speaker 10 (14:03):
It is that kind of.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Strange show that you've obviously had us in the past before,
because like everything's kind of being scrutinized worship this year
to give it, how a game of last year, how
you've kind of adapted to that. Maybe the way that
there's an extra pension you even give it to something
like that kind of give each higher feeling.

Speaker 8 (14:17):
I was like, how do you put a balance?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
How to manage that?

Speaker 7 (14:20):
You know?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I have didn't even see that one. So I'm focused
on the day to day trying to get better. Uh,
we got better today, I would we had a really
good practice. That's part of the playing quarterback in the NFL.
You know you're gonna get scrutinized if you don't play
up to the standard that you've set for yourself. And

(14:42):
I've set that standard for myself and I needed to
go out there and hit that and I didn't on Sunday.
I'm going to continue to get better and look forward
to another opportunity on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Importance in November.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
How hard is it to jump right back.

Speaker 11 (14:56):
Into what you even expect yourself to be your removal self.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
We haven't played in almost a count three years.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, that's always tough.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
When you're coming back from injury, you haven't played in
a while, you're not quite sure how it's gonna feel.
That's that's part of it. Week one, nobody's pay anything.
We've sat up here and said that before. Unfortunately we're
in the same spot after Week one, but we got
another opportunity on Sunday, and we got fifteen more opportunities
after that to to go and get better and show

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what we're all about.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
So we're excited for that.

Speaker 8 (15:26):
Well, you're just get a chance to play in this
game last year in Kansas City, which they're almost being
hard on you to have the chance to play in
this game this year because it's this robbery, it's so
fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
How much do you enjoy this opportunity this.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Geas Yeah, we're excited about it. But right now, I'm
just focused on getting better every day. You know, Sunday comes,
when Sunday comes. Now, I'm focused on learning from the
practice today, coming out and having a.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Good day tomorrow. And going from there.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
You know, the few stack practices together, you're gonna go
out and play continually better on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
So that's what I'm focused on right now.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
Why is it.

Speaker 8 (16:01):
Important for you to just take it day to day
approach from regardless of window losses on today.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
That's how you get better, That's how you improve, That's
how you hit the goals that you want to hit.
You Now, I'm not just gonna sit here and focus
on playing well on Sunday. On a Wednesday practice, I'm
gonna go out and focus on my fundamentals and focus
on what I need to do to get better today,
you know, and immerse myself in the game plan and
understand it fully and holy so I can then go

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out and play well on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
So I'm gonna focus on that day to day when.

Speaker 8 (16:33):
You watch when you watch film, job, you ever think
to yourself, they sped up the game on me at
certain parts, or maybe.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
I could slow down and seeing the field more clearly.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Do you ever think that, Yeah, sometimes there are definitely
some plays on on Sunday that, uh my process was
probably rushed a little bit, And that's part of what
I'm I'm trying to get better at this week. I
thought I had some happy feet in the pocket on Sunday,
So slowing everything down, let my mind work and let

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my fundamentals take care of the rest.

Speaker 9 (17:10):
Of being hit on the first play my first drop
back to the game, you have to fight against that
flass feed.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Not against something like that.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
As m. It's tough to say. I would necessarily say
that just getting back to playing football.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
Game Joe, how different is the way you process the
field in week one as opposed to week five over
the course of your career?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
That is that a big jump for you? Is that
a big difference in getting that game rhythm? Has that change?

Speaker 9 (17:33):
Does it look different to you?

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I would say, you know, the more football that you see,
there's always trends in how defenses play year to year
because you're changing as an offense, and you know, once
you put stuff on tape, teams adapt to it, and
teams see things that work in previous weeks, and so
there starts to become trends here and there, and certain

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formations and certain looks about how deep teams play you.
And so once you start seeing that kind of start
to know what to expect a little bit, and so
the more football you see throughout the season, the better
you're gonna get. And so that's that's what we're focused
on right now, is just getting better.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
You feel like that's been.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
The biggest reason you have kind of traditionally gotten so
much better, especially with maybe some punking weeks one or two,
you've consistently gotten better after that.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Has it been kind of back to the process that
you knowing a little.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Bit better what to expect week to week and and use.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
That to your advantage.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I think I'm just I learned a lot from my mistakes,
learn a lot week to week, game to game, and
usually I'm able to apply that pretty well. So I'm
excited about where we're at, the practice we had today,
Excited for the othernother opportunity on Sunday to go out
there and you know, try to prove what we're all
about and just gonna focus on keep getting better.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
You're the current.

Speaker 12 (18:56):
Personnelling pap with team jar and you that you know
what your guys core is primarily is going to stay
to say every year, but do you feel like you
guys have added en off wrinkles every year to add
off to that to make your offense more diverse for
your opponents.

Speaker 10 (19:12):
To have to beat the plan against.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, I'm feel confident in the guys we have in there.
I feel confident in the scheme, and I'm really excited
about the game plan this week. We got the guys
to go out and execute it, and we got the
coaches to go and put the plan together to take
advantage of what we're seeing. So I feel really good
about the plan this week, and so right now we're
focused on immersing ourselves in that game plan, learning it

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inside out so we can go out and execute on Sunday.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
All missed last year how much you missed about being
plays the city become Yeah, of course you miss that.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
I just missed playing football and miss being out there
with the guys.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
So it's it's a luxury right now to be criticized
by all you guys about how we played on Sunday
because I was, you know, sending the wings for seven
weeks last year.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
So I'm just excited to be out there.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
You feel like it's super away too, some interesting game
for either where you want to know where they're at
is in two early year?

Speaker 13 (20:03):
Do youse you like just a bog field?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
I mean, I would say that every week.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
You know, you're always trying to go out there and
prove yourself to the world, to to yourself, to your teammates,
to your coaches.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
So I would say I would say that about every
single week, right, So I love that. How how sim
well how different other two defenses? What you saw with
the Patriots, what your anticipates team with the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, both are very sound. You know, they're gonna stop
the run, They're gonna try to limit explosives. Their their
secondary it is really good. You know, they're gonna tackle
really well.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
You know, we know that.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I would say these are two first two weeks, two
of the better defenses in the league, you know, the
last several years.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
So it's gonna be a challenge.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
How do you chase your approach when you go against
the guy like holes?

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Do you approach the win differently? And what do you
take them all of the state? What do you like both?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
And I think you I go into every game the
same and I'm ready to adapt quickly to you know,
what we're seeing and what their offense is doing. Try to,
you know, gauge that pretty quickly in the game.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
You know, pat is you know, one of one.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
He's really really exceptional, extending the play thrown on on
the move, you know, trying to buy that extra tick
for for his guys to get open. You know, really
understands the game. So it's always a it's always a
big challenge going up against him.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
How have you how have you seen the Chiefs defensive
all events? They've got younger and faster for the last.

Speaker 9 (21:35):
Three four years.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, they've evolved game to game playing us, you know,
since we play them the first time, they've evolved game
to game, trying to show different looks, changing their leverages, funneling.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Our guys to help in different ways.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
They've really evolved their pressure packages, their bluff packages, you know,
their their defensive coordinator, coach bags Is is a really good,
really good coach.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
He always makes it really tough, you know, make it
makes it challenging to figure out what he's doing and
where you need to go with the football.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
So if you talk about taking what the defense gives you,
not if that's anything new, but where's the balance for
you between taking what the defense gives you versus not
letting them dictate everything about which you offensively?

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Those are things that you think about. But I would
also say, sometimes they give you the the deep ball
and you gotta take advantage of it. Sometimes they're they're
gonna give it to you underneath. Sometimes they're gonna give
it to you in the intermediate play action game.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
So you can.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Obviously do things scheme wise to attack the the field
zones that you want to attack. But at the end
of the day, you know, for the most part of
the defense, the defensive coverage, you know, dictates where the
quarterback is gonna go with the football based on the
concept that we have called. So that's that's how quarterbacks play.

(23:03):
That's gonna continue to be how I play.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Aune of criticism foc after a loss or praise you
Pollo see.

Speaker 13 (23:11):
After aw.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Less than most everybody in here sees you obviously hear it.
Most of what I hear is from the questions and
the press conferences is about, you know, how we played.
So I'm not scrolling social media or anything like that.
We're I'm focused on day to day getting better. There's

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going to be criticism no matter how good you play
or how bad you play. That's part of part of
the job.

Speaker 10 (23:41):
Sation is different heres because you value or del do
before the season, but knowing your relationship with him, how
you helped to get over not getting the deal done
and turning these flies to the season.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, I wouldn't say that. You know, we've had discussions
about the contract situation. I'm gonna keep those between us,
but you know, we've had the discussions that I feel
like have been.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Needed. I know he's ready to to go out and
perform no matter his contract situation.

Speaker 11 (24:18):
UH.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
And so right now we're just focused on going on play.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Well, there's been a lot.

Speaker 8 (24:22):
Made of like the head to head Robin Wood between
the two teams, but also between you and UH and Patrick,
what is your girl's relationship life and how do you
see that? How do you watched the build over the
last few years between the two teams.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, he's you know, we've seen seen each other obviously,
talk to each other after the game, seen each other,
you know, certain places over the years, And I like
Patrick as a person. I was enjoyed talking to him
talking ball and you know, talking about the game. So
when you know, I enjoy being around people that are

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really good at what they do, work really hard at
what they do, and go about it the right way.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
And he's one of those guys.

Speaker 11 (25:01):
I know you guys can get to wait.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
But what impressed you about our j played against.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
The Chiefs last Yeah, he did a really good job.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Now he I feel like for the most part our offense,
he was able to move the ball on the ground,
did some good jobs.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Good job in the run game.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
He was able to move the pocket and find some completions,
and he hit some big throws on third down down
the stretch.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
And that's what you got to do in this game.
Thanks Chus, Thanks Joe, Thanks you all.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right, there you go, Joe Brow. Riders getting their money's
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not spotted at practice. Bengals getting set to play the
Chiefs on Sunday four to twenty five. Game live on
ESPN fifteen thirty pregame coverage at noon. Joe Mixon, who
was awesome in Sunday's Texans win over the Colts, name
the AFC's Offensive Player of the Week. Meanwhile, the Reds
last night win their third consecutive game. I need somebody

(27:08):
with more time on their hands to look this up.
I'm sure it's happened, and maybe it's happened often. How
many times in their history. Have they won three games
on three consecutive nights in three different cities. I bet
you it has happened. We'll see if they can make
it fore in a road tonight, the second of three

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in Saint Louis Uh seven forty five to night seven
hundred WLW Reds did promote Righty Chase Petty to Triple
A Louisville and the UC basketball program has signed six
foot ten inch French prospect hal Vin Zella, who is
the captain of the French Under twenty FOEBA team this

(27:49):
season and it's gold medal run. He averaged eight points
and four and a half boards over a seven game stretch.
There you go, Uh, what do we have? Five, three, seven, nine,
fifteen thirty is our phone number. By the way, we
kind of gummed up the clock here to make room
for Joe Burrow. The pole question is reflective of something

(28:11):
that I said before. We want the Bengals to win,
right and at the end of the day, you can't
keep starting zero to two. And if they do go
to Kansas City and wins, it's not Gonnaly, It's not
gonna totally wash away the disappointment from losing to the Patriots.
But you're gonna feel like, all right back on game on,
get to three and one, then let's see what happens
against Baltimore. But the story of the game against the Patriots,

(28:34):
and the story of that press conference you just heard,
you know, Joe Burrow still talking about flexing his wrist
and acknowledging this is what happens when he come off
a ligament injury. And then there's how he looked, there's
how he played, and like players are allowed to have
bad games. Joe Burrow's had bad games before. He had
a game against Cleveland twenty one here where he was

(28:54):
beyond awful. Like, dude, happens. Good players have bad games.
But what was worrisome about Sunday is you couldn't help
but wonder what it's going to mean for this week,
the next week, for the rest of the season, right,
and how big of a hole will they dig as
they wait for Joe to play like Joe again? And

(29:14):
so this game on Sunday for me, man, he goes
out there and balls out, so to speak, and shows
comfort and shows you know, the willingness to throw the
ball down field, and uh, they lose the game. I'll
be honest with you, I'll kind of feel like, all right,
game on, most of us didn't think they'd go to
Kansas City and win anyway, will default to their track

(29:35):
record of bouncing back from zero to two starts. They'll
be favored and home against Washington, favored on the road
against Carolina. Get to two and two and all right,
you've hit the reset button. Now let's go with that Joe.
They go to Kansas City and win ugly, maybe on
the strength of defense. There'll be a lot to be
encouraged by, right, But let's say that win happens with

(29:58):
Joe looking like he did on Sunday. I gotta be
honest with you, I'm not that enthusiastic about the victory
because until we see the old Joe, this team's ceiling
seems well lower than it should be. So I asked
this question on X thanks to United Heartland Insurance. Two
choices One Burrow looks like he did versus the Pats

(30:19):
struggles Bengal somehow eke out a gnarly looking win. Or
Burrow plays looks awesome, looks great, seems comfortable, throws passes
beyond ten yards with frequency, Bengals still lose, which is
the preferable outcome. I have to be honest with you.
I think the answers be I know that sounds weird.

(30:43):
I'm not rooting for them to go oh and too
by Eddy Stretch. I walk away from that game on Sunday,
Joe plays great. I'm kind of willing to accept whatever
outcome there is. I say that on Wednesday. We'll see
if that is reflected by reality on Monday twelve away
from four o'clocks. Speaking of the game on Sunday, Bengals
are doing something. I will admit to you this this,

(31:08):
This doesn't appeal to me. It does It doesn't appeal
to me because I just well, number one, I am
gonna be somewhere else. There's other places I'd rather go.
One of them is Dickman's. I'll be at Dickman's on Sunday,
and I hope you join me. Will have prizes, is
going to be a lot of fun. Dickmans is awesome.
Bengals are going to have a road game watch party
for this game on Sunday against the Chiefs. They announced

(31:29):
this early this afternoon. I don't know if this is
something they're gonna do on a recurring basis. I don't
know if it's something they can do when we get
to cold weather. It is something that has been brought
up before during playoff runs. Bengals are gonna have a
watch party and there's gonna be special Bengals guests who day,

(31:51):
some Bengals cheerleaders and more. I guess they're allowing for
field access. You can get your own digital fan cover.
The door open at three point thirty. Tickets are ninety
nine dollars with fees more like one twenty one and
include twenty five dollars for discounted concessions. So now they're

(32:12):
being laughed at in some circles. And I'm sure some
circles involve people who have already bought their tickets to
me to each their own. But I'm not laughing at
them for this. Oh, I'll be honest with you. This
doesn't sound like something I'd want to do, But that's okay.
There are a lot of places I don't really want
to go, but if you enjoy it, awesome. But for years,

(32:33):
the venue formerly known as Paul Brown Stadium is hosting
its twenty fifth Bengal season this year. For most of it,
I've wondered why they don't have more stuff there Now.
In recent years there have been more concerts you see
in Miami are going to play there in twenty twenty six.
There are gonna be more events. Obviously, that venue was

(32:56):
looked at as a place that could host the World
Cup had we gotten the World Cup. I want stuff
in that stadium. It's a publicly funded, taxpayer funded stadium.
I want I want stuff there. Also as a Bengals fan.
If the Bengals are having cash flow issues, and some

(33:17):
have speculated about the Bengals maybe having some cash flow issues,
which is why they, you know, can't get the Jamar
Chase thing done. If they're having cash flow issues, have
more stuff, make more money. So like i USA Today's
for the Wind page made fun of the Bengals for
doing this. It's I'll be the first to admit like

(33:38):
this sounds a little bit steep, and I'm I'm a
Bengal season ticket holder. I'll go to games. I don't
want to go to a stadium to watch a road game,
but you know, maybe I'll know someone who goes and
they say they have a great time, and sometime down
the road I'll go, but I want stuff happening in
that stadium because I want return on an investment that
for years we didn't get And if it helps the

(34:00):
Bengals with their cash flow issues, all the better. So
good luck. But join us at Dickman's instead on Sunday.
By the way, no admission, not gonna car, not gonna
charge you, and you gotta pay for your food, gotta
pay for your drinks. We'll have giveaways, but you don't
have to pay to get in. You have to order
tickets online. Five thirty is our phone number. Your phone

(34:29):
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Speaker 1 (34:39):
Both worlds will be trained on Kansas City.

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That's Joe Burrow and his peng Most go after win
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Speaker 2 (35:06):
I'm stoked for Sunday. Man Bengals Chiefs games are always good.
That game last year, even though Joe didn't play, was good.
I am sorry. I'm going to apologize right now. I'm Owagar.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening. I'm
really sorry because I don't like doing this. I feel bad.
I actually I shouldn't feel that bad because I'm I'm

(35:30):
not really breaking a promise. But I said yesterday that
I was as kind of done talking about Jamar Chase
in relation to his contract. Jamar Chase the player we're
hopefully going to talk about all season long, but in
relation to his contract, because I there's not a lot
of new ground to cover, right. Chances are, if he

(35:52):
gets a deal, which we think he will, it'll happen
at the end of the season. So between now and then,
there's only a handful of things that can happen. And
so unless one of those things does happen, I don't
know that it makes much more sense to talk about
Jamar Chase. Except our guy James Rapine did some reporting

(36:13):
for Bengals Talk dot Com that could potentially shed some
light on why the deal ultimately was not consummated. Go
Ree James piece he was a guest of Tony and
Austin's Today on Sincy thirty sixty. But James writes the
two sides were close to an agreement. League sources say,
in fact, the Bengals offered Chase a four year, one

(36:37):
hundred and forty million dollar contract with ninety million dollars guaranteed.
That guaranteed money included a thirty million dollars signing bonus.
Those raw numbers worked for Chase's CAM, sources tell Bengals
on SI. The loan snag in the agreement had to
do with when guarantees would kick in. Chase was willing
to sign a four year extension that would have put

(36:58):
him under contract through to the Thay twenty nine. It's
his camp, I'm sorry. His camp wanted the guaranteed money
and injury protections to kick in earlier in the deal.
That's when talks broke down. As James writes, essentially the
two sides couldn't agree on when Chase's guarantees would vest,
which means become fully guaranteed. Bengals offer pushed it down

(37:22):
to line to twenty twenty seven. Chase didn't have the
assurance of guarantees early in the contract, which puts him
at risk if he were to suffer a serious injury.
So there you go, the basic framework of the deal
they agreed on. This again, believe our guy James, if
you want I tend, I'm biased, but I tend to

(37:42):
four years, one hundred and forty mil ninety mil guaranteed.
Like that they agreed on, they couldn't agree on when
the guarantees were going to kick in, which brings us
back to something we did talk a little bit about yesterday,
and that's the concept of the deadline. The deadline. The

(38:03):
Bengals have a deadline, right The deadline is when the
season starts, after which they're not doing any new contracts
until at the end of the season. After the season,
and I can appreciate a deadline. I've got a deadline
every single day. Our deadline is three o'clock. I gotta
be ready, doesn't matter what else is going on in
my life. I got a deadline. I can't Hey, can
can we start to show at three twenty? I need

(38:24):
just a little bit. Nuh, We're going at three o'clock, man. Sorry.
So there are times in life when the deadline is
completely and totally inflexible. And then there are times like
my daughter's bedtime, we're kind of a let's get the
ball rolling on bed around eight o'clock during the week
and make sure it's you know, we're in bed and

(38:44):
the book is read, the story has been told, the
teeth have been brushed, the clothes have been picked out.
Let's let's have it all shut down by aid to
thirty and then on the weekends it's a little bit later.
But there are times when there's mitigating circumstances where you know,
yet we have a pretty hard and for bedtime and

(39:05):
we adhere to it. You know, we need our adult time.
She needs it, and like we just I believe in
that as a parent, right, But there are the occasions where, okay,
we're going to extend it just a little bit. This
isn't something we're going to do all the time. We're
going to make some rare exceptions and we'll boost it
to nine or nine thirty. Last Thursday night, she went

(39:26):
to bed at nine to thirty because her and her
dance crew were in a parade, and we went out
for ice cream afterwards, hung out a little bit played
around when we got home, extended things just a little bit.
Haven't done it yet this week, probably won't.

Speaker 7 (39:44):
Sometimes, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
What, let's be a human being here and show some flexibility.
It's not an apples to apples comparison. Why can't that
happen here? I mean legitimately and the answer and I
asked this to Paul. Yes, and Paul's as good as anybody,
but said, well, you know, there is a deadline, and
deadlines have to matter, and usually they do, and in

(40:07):
some cases they have to. But in some cases you
could be flexible. These two parties were, according to James reporting,
and according to many who report on this, these two
parties were so close that they agreed on the years
and the money and the amount of guaranteed money. That's
the most important part. Right, They are a little far

(40:31):
apart on the timing of the guarantees kicking in now.
Maybe maybe if the two sides got together in a
room and they got locked in for the next eight
to ten hours, maybe the two sides would come out
and they haven't achieved anything. But if that's the one
sticking point and you're you're locked into a standstill, you're

(40:57):
at a stalemate because Jamar wants the money to kick in,
the guaranteed money to kick in earlier in the Bengals
want to kick the can down the sidewalk a little
bit later. Do we really have to be totally and
completely inflexible with the deadline. Do we really have to

(41:19):
do that? And if your argument is, well, you know,
it could be a distraction they're getting ready to play
the Chiefs. If they were still talking on Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday right before the opener, you mean to tell
me they couldn't have talked yesterday on the players off
day before they played Casey. If these two sides were

(41:41):
tens of millions of dollars apart on the money, don't bother.
If they were far apart on the years, don't bother,
they were far apart in the amount of guaranteed money,
don't bother. But if there's this one sticking point, one
sticking point, you mean tell me the two sides can't
work a little overtime to at least try to get

(42:06):
it done, especially if we acknowledge, Hey, the deal's going
to get done at some point anyway, Do we really
have to be that rigid with the deadline that with
the season underway, we can't just take one last stab
at achieving some common ground in this one area where

(42:28):
the two sides are far apart. Tell me where I'm
flawed in my thinking. If you wish five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty, I also need. I need a lot of things.
I need somebody I need, like an economist, which I'm
clearly not because I've seen it suggested in some areas well.

(42:49):
The Bengals they've got some cash flow concerns. Now, I
understand that the Bengals, they're the Brown Family's business is football.
They don't own hotel, they don't own oil rigs, they
don't own car dealerships. A lot of NFL owners, a
lot of sports owners where the team they own is
just one part of their portfolio. That's not the Bengals.

(43:10):
Bengals Mike Brown is a football guy, inherited a football team.
That's the family business. And so yeah, I understand personally
he can't tap into large reservoirs of money available to
him through other businesses. But he's also in a business
where it's impossible to lose money. How do the Bengals

(43:34):
have cash flow issues? They're in the NFL where the
television money just keeps skyrocketing. They know every year what
percentage of their money goes to the players. They've got
a season ticket waiting list that you have to pay

(43:54):
to be on. They've jacked the season ticket prices, which fine,
I get it. They've sold the naming rights to the stadium.
They've sold the naming rights to one thousand things on
the plaza level. Last week alone, I got two press
releases about new partnerships the Bengals have jumped into. They're
stage in concerts, they're having events, They're gonna have a

(44:16):
watch party for the game this week, and all things
that I'm totally on board with. I'm completely on board
with the stadium name change. How do they have cash
flow issues? Every time a team moves. NFL owners get
like thirty five million bucks. They don't really pay rent.
They've got the greatest sweetheart stadium deal of all time.

(44:38):
They're in a business where it's impossible to lose money.
The league itself keeps tapping into new streaming deals. We're
gonna have games on Christmas on Netflix. Bengals will get
one thirty second of that money, which will not be insignificant.
Somebody explained to me how they're having cash flow issues,

(45:03):
and I know they got to set aside a certain
amount of money for the guarantees for Joe, and to
set aside a certain amount of money for the guarantees
for Jamar. That was the driving the driving force behind
the stadium name change with Otherwise a lot of people
were not in favor of I was because whatever, do
what you gotta do, do what you got to do
to pay Joe cash flow issues. And I understand there's

(45:25):
there's a difference between the cash flow issues for like
someone like you and I or it's like they gotta
pay for groceries and cash flow issues where we've got
to stash away like ninety million dollars to pay Jamar
Chase is guaranteed money. A family that owns an NFL
team can't do that in this day and age, in
this climate. A successful, winning, profitable, popular NFL team that

(45:47):
is not having any issues selling tickets or merch or
anything like that, they have cash flow issues. Really, I'm
no economist. I can barely manage my own checking account.
That's an NFL team. How does a family that owns
an NFL team have cash flow issues. I need to

(46:08):
know Brendanman and Jones on baseball's coming up in just
about thirty minutes. I'm gonna do something you're gonna warn
me against coming up, and it's has nothing to do
with the Bengals. We'll get to our poll question. We'll
ask maybe two more the rough set of circumstances for
UC football. This is an imperfect storm for Scott's Saderfield.
We have to get to that. Danny Canell at five

(46:30):
oh five, we'll talk some golf. Doug Martin, men's golf
coach at U. See next.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
This is football Illinetti, brought to you in part by
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Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Dan, you heard him there, He's got Bengals game plan tonight.
That's at the Holy Grail this evening starting at six
and McPherson in the house. There you go. We'll get
a doctor's take on t Higgins in twelve minutes. First,
we've done this every week for a few weeks. We've
chatted with one of the coaches at the University of Cincinnati,
the men's golf program, getting said for the Bearcat Invitational,

(47:14):
which takes place at Coldstream Country Club on Monday and Tuesday,
a great opportunity for the Bearcats to show off their
home course. The head coach of the UC golf program
is Doug Martin, kind enough to give us a few minutes. Coaches,
good to have you. What's going on.

Speaker 11 (47:31):
It's great, great to be on though. I always always
enjoy catching up with you and we're just we're actually
out here at cold Stream today qualifying for the tournament.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Do your players understand, you know, there are folks like us,
like me at least who it's you know, you got
to know somebody to get on. Yeah, you want to
do everything you can to maybe play at a place
like cold Stream and it's their home course. To your
players realize how lucky they are, you.

Speaker 11 (47:56):
Know what we really, we really are very fortunate that
we have tremendous support from the from the from cold
Stream and its membership, and our kids are very very
aware of the opportunity that they have here, and you know,
it's part of part of college golf, and you know,
I would put Coldstream, you know, probably in the top
five or ten facilities that that college players can have

(48:17):
an opportunity to play on. So we're very lucky and
they're very appreciative of what we have here.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
That's got to be quite a recruiting tool as well.

Speaker 11 (48:27):
An incredible recruiting tool when you when you bring a
bring a young man out here, and you know, see
the golf course, and you know, anytime you drive up
on Coldstream, just the bunkering of the golf course gives
it a US g a look and it's really, uh,
it's really it's really a great recruiting tool for us
for sure.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
All Right, explain to me what you what you did
I guess this past weekend where you sort of had,
for lack of a better way of putting it, like
a spring training split squad deal in both Knoxville and
I guess Richmond, explain.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
That for me.

Speaker 11 (49:00):
So basically, what I've tried to do in our program
to help us develop depths is the team played in
Knoxville and Eastern Kentucky, justin Terresco, who's a friend of mine.
They host their event and we sent four individuals there,

(49:20):
so they don't represent the as a team competition. They
go there and strictly play as individuals strictly to get
reps and so it's it's something that's really been popular
in college golf probably last five or six years really
for you know, as I would say, the Power Four

(49:41):
conferences to send players too.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
And you know, gain some experience.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
You know, you're you're starting the year. You have freshmen
in any sport, there's a major adjustment period for somebody
who's excels in high school and now they're playing it,
and not just the collegiate level, the Big twelve, you know,
like major college golf. It might be kind of a
dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. What's what's the
biggest on average, what's the biggest adjustment for a college freshman.

Speaker 11 (50:12):
Well, I think number one, you're away from home. You
have to start making decisions for yourself. I think the coaching.
You know, most of your high school programs, you know,
you don't have coaches that are really coaching up the kids.
You more have you know, guys who are teachers that
are taking kids that love the game of golf and

(50:34):
want to support you know, the high school golf friends.
We're in college golf. It's so much about the coach
is being able to identify what are the small and
tangible things that I can help this young man become
a better player. They're coming to us. All the kids
that we're recruiting now are coming to us really as

(50:55):
top one hundred and twenty five, top hundred players in
the country who have played, you know, great junior golf schedules,
you know, playing somewhere between nine and twelve times in
tournaments every summer, and so you know they're coming to
a so much more advanced, so much more polished. But
I would say probably the challenge is just the difficulty

(51:16):
of the golf courses. You know, in junior golf course,
you might see a whole location that they'll they'll put
it in the center of the grain, or they'll put
it in the back left of the green, but it'll
be eight paces from the edge of the green. And
college golf you're going to see those in three or
four paces from the edge of the green. So there's
such a higher premium on shot quality. So there is

(51:38):
a tremendous adjustment just strictly from the golf course difficulty.
And then the second thing is the weather. You know,
when you're talking about across the country and you're talking
about most everybody plays in pretty good weather in the
fall semester, but in the spring semester we start getting
you know, the weather's not great in too many places
in February, March, April, and and so the weather is

(52:03):
typically an adjustment for them as well.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, it was funny as you were talking about the
level of coaching. You know, I graduated from high school
almost thirty years ago, and I was thinking about our
golf coach. They they basically pulled him off the football
team so he could like fill the spot. And I'm
not sure he ever played golf, So a little bit
different at the at the collegiate level. What what did
you learn about your kids this weekend doing that that

(52:26):
split squad thing.

Speaker 11 (52:29):
Well, I think you know, we we had you know, again,
it's just getting the competitive reps. You know, we're back
here again today. We've got a fifty four hole qualifier
before we played the Bearcat to determine the last two
spots on our on our roster for the Bearcats. So
we've already identified our top three players after the first week,

(52:50):
and then we got two more spots opened up here
for the Bearcats. So I mean again, we had a
good we had a good preseason we had nine rounds
of qualify. We were creating some depth here and it's
really just up to me and my assistant coach to
pick the five guys each week who are playing the best.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Describe for for the uninitiated, and I've I've had a peek,
I admit to have wanting to you know, logged in
and use my my track man user and photos if
I could take a few swings, But to describe for
those who haven't checked out your indoor facility what it's like.

Speaker 11 (53:25):
It is state of the art, you know, really unbelievable
support from you know, one of my former players father
who had had the piece of property. Unbelievable support from
John Cunningham and John Daniel internally to see this through,
you know, moving to the Big twelve, you know, we

(53:47):
had cold Stream, we had everything on campus, but we
we needed something that could potentially take us over the
edge and we have built eight thousand square foot state
of the art four track man bays, the simulators put view,
which is probably the greatest putting training aid there probably

(54:08):
is out there about a twenty five hundred square foot
putting area, team lounge, club repair room, team meeting room.
It's just really it really has really has separated us.
And you know, many of the recruits that we've had
in the last year and a half, you know, have
expressed to us there's nothing like it anywhere in the country.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Are you ever able to like operate in social situations
where you tell people what you do for a living
and they don't ask you to, you know, fix how
they're hitting the hybrid or their slice or something.

Speaker 11 (54:39):
You know what I think you know, Fortunately, you know,
I don't get that that frequently, but you know, you
get those questions. And I've been involved in this game
for so many I've been involved in this game for
so many years when I played on tour and I
played in the Wednesday Pro ams and tried to help
the amateurs that I was playing with. It's just, you know,
golf has said, it's a great game. It's a game

(55:01):
you can play for a long time, albeit one of
the most difficult games ever to play.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Uh yeah, I could attest to that. All right, Well,
good luck at Coldstream this week. I appreciate you doing this,
have a great year, and we'll chat soon. Thanks so much.

Speaker 11 (55:18):
Absolutely, I really enjoy I really enjoy your program. I
enjoy your work with the Bearcats, and I'm really excited
to get this basketball season underway too. I think we're
going to have a pretty special group.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I can't wait. It's also very rare that I have
a coach on my show where they tell me, Man,
I really enjoy your show. So you've actually I think
we made history.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
I do.

Speaker 11 (55:36):
I listen to you whenever, whenever I can.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
I really enjoy.

Speaker 11 (55:39):
I really enjoy what you do for sports in Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
That's very kind of you. All right, well we'll chat again.
Thanks so much. All right, thanks Doug Martin, the men's
golf coach at the University of Cincinnati. Yeah, yeah, welcome
to college. You're going to go play cold stream. It
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has been an absolute mess. And I'm not saying this
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my mind about David Bell in twenty twenty five. I
think he's done as well as you could ask a
manager to do amid the circumstances that have been thrown
at him the last couple of weeks, and last night
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(58:05):
Like Sanak and Brantley were crushing that dude behind the plate,
including in the ninth inning when Amelia Pegan was done.
Some favors by that guy, as much as Elie Dela
Cruz was not done. Any favors that guy behind the plate.
It's right. I was watching the Reds last night, just
wrapping myself in a baseball cocoon. That felt so good.

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Rhet Louder was really good. You you could do this,
I know there's a lot of skepticism and frustration, and
the season has been a disappointment. There's there's it's okay
to say that, it's okay to acknowledge that if the
Reds ever aren't gonna leave his feeling disappointing, it's gonna
happen on the shoulders of Hunter Green, Nicolodolo, Rhett Louder

(58:45):
and others watching Rhet Louder pitch. Reds need a lot
of good young starting pitching. They need they need these
guys to be as good as possible, as long as possible,
as quickly as possible. They brought up Chase Petty to
and bring him up. They promoted Chase Petty to Louisville.
You'll get brought up if you if you get to
the big league squad. Rat Lauder looks like a dude

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who knows how to pitch, aggressive, has multiple pitches, doesn't
look afraid out there. Last night was his twenty fifth
professional start, not twenty fifth big league start, twenty fifth
professional start. And I like watching him pitch, and I
really enjoyed watching him pitch last night. I'm just I'm

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do this on Thursdays, we chat with one of the
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Doctor Matthew Grunckemeier is with us. Let's let's start with
what t said last week. He on Thursday talked about
how amazing he felt, and then he didn't play on Sunday.

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So how does that happen?

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean with a hamstring injury,
he may be feeling good the rest of his body,
then when he goes on to a full sprint or
gets down in a crouch position, it tweaks again. That
could be the case. He's probably trying to do a
lot of what we call active rest, where he's not
pushing himself super hard in practice to not reinjure the hamstring.

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But then when he gets to a game or game
level simulation, he's going to have to push himself and
that's when it'll tweak at that high, highest level.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I feel bad for him, And obviously there's a lot
of noise around Tea because of his contract, and you
hear all the time. Maybe the Bengals don't pay him
because they're concerned about the number of hamstring injuries that
he has dealt with. Why Why would someone like Tea
have this keep recurring as opposed to somebody else who doesn't.

Speaker 6 (01:01:55):
Yeah, you know, it's hard to say. I think just
with his position, he is having to crowd and flex
and go and put those hamstrings under stress so regularly.
And it's kind of like this man. Once you get
an injury, it heals, but it heals kind of with
scar tissue sometimes, so it's easier to kind of re

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injure a said muscle, such as a hamstring.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
So for Te specifically walk me through what the coming
weeks are going to look like, the treatment options, and
I guess, best guess, and I know we're guessing right now,
best guess as to when we might see him on
the field.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
Yeah, that's really hard to say. With these injuries, they're
notoriously difficult to guesstimate how long you're going to be
out with one. Some of them depends on the location,
if it's in the muscle belly, or if it's closer
to one of the tendons on either side, closer to
the knee or up closer to the butt. And it's

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really a case by case basis, so I just can't
give you exact timeline. But usually for full recovery on
a severe hamstring injury you're talking for. You may have
been as many as eight weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I think a lot of US associate polls hamstring poles specifically.
I guess with colder weather, obviously it's not been very cold.
It's cold off a little bit. But do we worry
about tea when the weather does start to turn and
the temperatures do start to drop.

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
You know, I don't really think that's an issue here.
These guys, he's NFL players are so highly conditioned that
the temperature is really not effect. That's more for you
and I the weekend warriors, the guys that go out
and you know, play a softball game and pull their
hamming or something like that. You know, I don't think
that the temperatures really I play here, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I want to ask you about Chris Jenkins, a rookie
defensive tackle from Michigan's second round choice draft choice. He
didn't play the game on Sunday. We find out a
few days before the opener that he is a thumb
injury that's required surgery, and he hasn't been placed on
injured reserve. He could conceivably play this week. So it

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might be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway,
what kind of thumb injury requires surgery but isn't so
severe that he could conceivably play as soon as this Sunday.

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
Well, I'm assuming he's going to play with some type
of protection, and given that it's not likely that, given
his position, that he uses his hands to catch or
throw the ball. I think it is conceivable all the
time we have thumb injuries and athletes where we'll put
a cast on or potentially even perform an outpatient simple

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surgery and then cast it to protect the thumb. I'm
assuming he's going to have some type of protection on
that thumb as they're allowing him to play so soon
after a surgical treatment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Is this maybe as much about pain tolerance as anything?

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
If he does play, Sure, yeah, it's painful injury, but
you know, the injury hurts once you repair it. I'm
assuming it's a ligamentous injury and not a bone injury.
Once you repair that ligament, it actually feels better once
it's well goes down after you know, three to five days,
probably feels better, feels a little more stable.

Speaker 7 (01:05:04):
And he's a tough guy.

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
Obviously, all these guys are to make it to this
high level of competition, so I think he'll be able
to handle it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
One more injury to talk about. It's a baseball injury.
I guess it's more a guy who has had a
lot of injuries over the course of his career in
red shortstop slash second basement Matt McClain. He hasn't played
at all this year. He's had rib issues, oblique issues,
shoulder issues. They're still leaving open the possibility that he
may play with basically two plus weeks left in the season.

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From a medical perspective, understanding what he has gone through,
does this make any sense?

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Yeah, I kind of have a hard time. There's sometimes
other things that play that we don't understand, whether it's
players contracts or other things. But from a medical peer perspective,
I would say give it a rest and try to
lace up again in twenty twenty five. But that's just
me talking from the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yeah, and you have the factor where the team is
in the standings in that conversation as well. Awesome perspective.
As always, I do appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
All right, have a good day, all right.

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Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Logan Wilson's on the Bengals injury report didn't go today
with a knee injury. By the way, he was among
those who played really well, I thought. I think Pro
Football Focus agreed his performance against New England. No go
today at Bengals practice. That's worth keeping an eye on.
T Higgins didn't go today. Joe Burrow is still on
the report full participant. Amaru's MEMS limited. No go for

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Chris Jenkins, no go for Tanner Hudson as well. There's
a good column today Jason Williams since a dot com
about UC football and the trying to think of the
right word here, the assurances by the John Cunningham that hey,

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we're gonna be positive and we're gonna be okay. And
you know, I get where those things come from. I'm
not sure they don't fall on deaf years when you
have a fan base that is frankly as angry as
UC fans. And I know I'm painting with a broad brush,
but it's comfortable. I feel comfortable saying most U see
fans angry with Saturday, and many wondering about the direction

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of the program, and many out on Scott's Sadderfield, and
Jason wrote a column about that that I would encourage
you to read. I don't think Scott Saderfield is in
danger of losing his job. I do think he is
in danger of losing a fan base, which creates an
environment that, if you think about late this season and

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next year, could add up to, let's be honest, a
lack of interest.

Speaker 12 (01:08:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I mean, I hate to say that, but I know
what it looks like. I know what it looks like
when fans throw up their hands with that program in
particular and go like we're done here, like moving on
to something else. And now in the nil era, it's
it adds a different dynamic to it. With the portal,
it adds another dynamic to some of the situations we've

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seen in the past with unpopular head coaches. I brought
this up. I think yesterday the Bengals lost on Sunday,
and I feel like if they go to Kansas City
and win, everybody just moves on. I don't think that's
gonna happen this weekend if UC goes to Miami, and
I think if anything, like a lot of us went

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into the season thinking, you see, he's got to go
six and six and that's a step in the right
direction and its progress and it's gonna be enough. I
don't know for a lot of folks that that's the case.
Any longer, Like I think, to make up for a
lot of people, I think to make up for what
happened on Saturday now, you have to exceed what the

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most optimistic expectations were in order to make people forget
about Saturday. And he is a coach got Saturday Field
who is dealing with I think a really imperfect storm.
They've not been good at home. They haven't beate an
FBS opponent at home since Luke Fickle was the coach.

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They are losing to not great opponents. Right Pittsburgh might
win more than they lose. That doesn't look like a
very good team. It's one thing to lose and something
else to lose when you have a big lead. Become
a UC basketball fan. McK cronin lost early in the
NCAA Tournament a lot. What's the one that stands out

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Nevada not just because they blew a twenty two point lead,
but mainly because they blew a twenty two point lead.
And these things can get washed away if they're offset
by something that really stands out. I don't know that
there's anything on their schedule individually that could wash away

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what happened on Saturday. So I think it's really interesting dynamic.
I don't think the coach is gonna go anywhere, but
I think it's gonna be really hard for this team
to play well enough that it makes folks by the
end of the season kind of just chalk Saturday up
to a whole set of circumstances that just worked against

(01:11:20):
them and the game ended up being a little bit
of an outlier. Maybe I'm wrong, But if we went
into the season thinking, Okay, get to six, maybe seven,
and I said on this show prior to the season
that I thought if they beat Pitt, they'd be a
seven win team. They didn't beat Pitt. I think they're
gonna be a six win team. I don't know if
that's gonna be good enough given what happened on Saturday,

(01:11:43):
when two weeks ago it did feel like it was
going to be good enough for most fans, and I
know I'm I'm speaking for people who aren't me. I
don't know that that's gonna be good enough. I think
they're gonna have to do something extreme to make people
forget about Saturday. I belie leave that barring that, no
matter what else happens between now and the end of

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the season. When we talk about the twenty twenty four Bearcats.
The first thing that most people bring up is going
to be Saturday. And by the way, I cannot blame
you if that's where you go. Brendanman and Jones on baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
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go today at practice. Logan Wilson on the injury report,
which is interesting and not good. More on that coming
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always kind enough to give us a few minutes, maybe
two or three times a football season, specifically to talk

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college football. And I'm not sure who's more dismayed Danny
over his Florida State seminoles or me over the Bearcats.
So it's misery loves company. What's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
How are we doing?

Speaker 7 (01:13:16):
Mo?

Speaker 14 (01:13:17):
I would say I would take one in one right now,
like your Bearcat, Like I would rather be that than
zero and two. But it doesn't feel much better considering
the lead that was blown this past weekend and gets
pit like I get it, Like they're both we're both
in a rough spot right now. So yeah, we can,
we can commiserate together.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Yeah, it's one thing to lose, that's something else to
lose at home against an Okay team when you're up
by twenty seven and or up by twenty one in
the third quarter.

Speaker 14 (01:13:43):
Yes, that one does not feel great for the squad
at all. But I do think there are some bright
spots right that you can take away from Cincinnati, Like
I like their quarterback. I liked him when he was
in Indiana last year and like what he brought over
there to Cincinnati. So I do think you have a
good foundation that there's something to build on. It was
a non conference game, so that's good. Like it doesn't

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impact the conference race. There's some bright spots in it.
But man, you got to bounce back in a hurry.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Yeah you're trying, You're trying to make me feel better,
and you're you're you're making some inroads, but but not
a ton. Just the season as a whole, you know,
a lot of us, it's obviously a season unlike any other.
With the expanded playoff, the Pac twelve is gone, we
have obviously here in Big twelve country. We've got four
new schools, Oklahoma and Texas leave for the SEC. So

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it's a it's a season unlike any other. My my
sort of take to those who coming into the year
were kind of rolling their eyes at what's going on
in college football has been wait till the games begin,
because the games are gonna bring you back. I think
that has happened. How about you? I agree.

Speaker 14 (01:14:48):
I think we're seeing and I'm very curious because I'm
always looking for trends, like especially when making picks, so
you know, trying to make some money and figure out
stay ahead of the game a little bit. I feel
like we're emerging to a place where there are probably
about four or five teams that are really really good
right that feel like they are elite, that are just
better than everybody else, and then there's a group of

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about thirty to forty that feel like any Saturday, any
one of them could win. And granted this happens a
lot every single year as kind of the dust settles,
but with the transfer portal movement, and I think we
saw this on display with Notre Dame. I think it's
a really good example. And you've heard Thomas Hammock, their coach,
talk about it at Northern Illinois talk about the importance

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of teamwork and building from within and having a family
like atmosphere and guys that want to play together. And
Notre Dame they're not loaded with transfers, but their quarterback
is a transfer, Riley Leonard, and he struggled somewhat in
the game because he was a new QB to the system.
And I think that's a trend you're seeing across the country,
the teams that are kind of loaded up in the portal.

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Florida State's a good example. Florida State is off to
a rough start, and I think some of it's because
they're trying to find their continuity.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
So I just think there's going to be a.

Speaker 14 (01:15:59):
Lot of parody early this season and kind of teams
figure it out, players develop, they learn new systems, and
I think that is I mean, we all kind of
acknowledge this is becoming like the NFL. It's a minor league, NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
What do we see in the NFL?

Speaker 14 (01:16:11):
A lot of parody where you know, there's a lot
of exciting, great games that come down to the wire.
And I think we saw that last week and a
lot of unexpected type games. All of a sudden they
look a lot closer.

Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
So I think that's good though.

Speaker 14 (01:16:24):
I think that's more compelling and people like to see
those tight, tight, close knit games.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Come down to the wire.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
So I will admit this is going to sound like
a really stupid question. I'll get that out of the way.
It's not the last time I'll ask a stupid question.
So you're right, college football is more like the NFL.
The NFL has a preseason. Granted it's a shrinking preseason,
but it's a preseason. Could there ever be a movement,
given everything you just said, to have college teams play,

(01:16:51):
if not preseason games, joint practices scrimmages to give coaches
and players a better sense of what they have when
the games get underway in September.

Speaker 14 (01:17:02):
It wouldn't surprise me, especially when we already have it
kind of built in with Week zero.

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
And I know those are Conference by Florida, Say, played
Georgia Tech and it wasn't a easy game.

Speaker 14 (01:17:11):
But you've already kind of got that extra week on
the schedule. Here's the thing, though, lough a lot of
teams built in kind of I mean, I don't want
to bass the Buckeyes, because I really like the Buckeyes.
I think they're one of the best teams in the country,
but they've essentially kind of had a preseason. They have
a three game preseason, so they're same as the NFL
and if not just.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Them Old Miss Missouri.

Speaker 14 (01:17:31):
Missouri has outscored their opponents eighty nine to zero in
their first two games. They have played nobody, same thing
with Old Miss Furman, another directional school. So like, there's
a lot of teams that kind of schedule this. I
think the change you might see as a lot of
coaches saying, wait a second, I don't know if I
want that big marquee matchup on the first game of

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the season. Let me start scheduling early. Get that FCS
opponent that you know, lighter tier where you're a four
touchdown favorite, get that game early. So it's a pseudo preseason.
But you know what I would rather see. I'd rather
see a legitimate preseason where it doesn't count, you don't
have stats, and get better games once the regular season starts.
Like give me ten Power four versus Power four conference

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games and then two versus Group of five, and then
keep the fcs for the preseason. Something like that, where
you just have more continuity across scheduling across college football.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Yeah, no, we're on the same page there, Danny canell
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Ohio State, and obviously I can look at Georgia. I
can look at Ohio State and I see the two
odds on favorite to win the national championship, and this
is to win the whole thing in an expanded field.

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Look lower on the list at this stage in the season,
which is obviously very very early. Is there a school
that you look at and go, you know what, right now,
at this stage in the year, there's some value with them.

Speaker 6 (01:18:59):
What is TNESSE out right now too?

Speaker 14 (01:19:01):
Like that may not be low enough after what they
you know, like it might be already the secrets out
on Tennessee, especially what they did to NT State, I
thought they were.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
A team that came in with you know, they were
kind of flying under the.

Speaker 14 (01:19:12):
Radar a little bit. They weren't in that sort of
upper echelon of the sec with Texas, Georgia, even Bama,
Ole Miss We're all the whole ahead of Tennessee. What
they did to NC State on Saturday night showed me
they are legit, like they are legit championship contenders, their
playoff contenders. They have a young quarterback in Nico IAmA
Lieva who is a spectacular, you know, thrower of the football.

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I didn't know he could run that well. And they
embarrassed a pretty good team from the ACC on Saturday night.
So I'd say Tennessee then they're sort of you know,
some teams like Utah, who's out in the Big Twelve.
Now they're the favorite to win the Big Twelve. But
Cam Rising is a difference maker for them. Their quarterback
who did get banged up against Baylor. He had to
leave the game, so they kind of they were in
complete control and then came back, and I do think

(01:19:59):
Utah is probably the f favorite to win the Big Twelve.
My question for them is once they get to the playoff,
can they go toe to toe with those likes of
Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, those top tier teams and with
him at quarterback, with Kyle Whittingham as the head coach.
They perennially, you know, competed in the Pac twelve, one
of the best teams out there, so they're used to
power for teams. I think they could be somebody kind

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of flying under the radar.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
A year ago at this time when you were doing
hits like this, everybody had to ask about Colorado. Has
that totally fallen off the radar for you?

Speaker 7 (01:20:30):
Yes? I think so.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
I mean, look, it's never going to be off the radar.

Speaker 14 (01:20:33):
I mean, I'm watching Sports Center and First Take today
and they're talking about coach Prime. He's always going to
be He's always going to move the needle. But at
some point, and I think we're at that inflection point
right now, it can't just be about flash. It has
to be about substance. And they got manhandled against Nebraska
and those are two coaches and deon't even mentioned this

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before the game. He said, I kind of like Matt Rule.
We are the same class. They both took their jobs
a year ago, and so they've both been on the
job and you've seen completely different styles of how to
build a program beyond aggressive through the transfer portal. Matt
Ruhle goes through the recruiting ranks and gets the top
high school quarterback coming out, and Dylan Ryola gets some

(01:21:15):
other guys, you know, builds up and develops the players
that were already on his roster, and you saw a
glaring difference on display.

Speaker 6 (01:21:24):
This weekend.

Speaker 14 (01:21:25):
They have Colorado State, Colorado does. It's a rivalry game.
It was a wild double overtime game last year. It
feels like a must win, right and I do think
they win this game, and I do think they cover.
But at some point, like if they don't continue to
get a couple bigger wins against better programs, I do
think it'll be just like the back end of last

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year when they were kind of an afterthought unless it
was drama, you know, unless they were getting trolled or
there was something viral moment from the game because of
the celebration. That's the only where we're going to be
about talking about Colorado unless they start winning some more
significant games.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
I love having you on. You're always so generous with
your time. I enjoyed it slightly more three years ago
when we were getting ready for UC versus Notre Dame
and the Bearcats, we were talking ourselves. We were talking
about their college football playoff odds, and now I'm trying
to talk myself into them beating Miami is a two
point favorite. It was more fun. It's fun, but it
was more fun three years ago.

Speaker 6 (01:22:20):
But if you get through that one, which I do
think you should.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Say, twelve isn't crazy?

Speaker 7 (01:22:24):
Houston?

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
Yeah, exactly, Houston is awful this year. That just got smoked.

Speaker 14 (01:22:29):
Are you giving you four and one right there? Then
you got UCF, who I think is good. But man,
I'm telling you the season is gonna be wild.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Okay, all right, I'm back, Danny. I'm back. Your check
out a bed online. Appreciate the time, man, thanks so
much catching up our guy Danny Canell thanks to a
bed online. Go to bed online for week three lines,
college football odds, conference odds, Heisman odds, and more. All right,

(01:22:57):
uh so, no, Logan Wilson, I I kind of feel
like that that's the headline. We didn't expect t Higgins
to practice today. We know Joe Burrows not one hundred percent.
Logan Wilson's on the injury report didn't go today with
a knee issue. We have to talk about that. Richard
Skinner joins us next on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's ESPN

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Speaker 7 (01:23:19):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
It's twenty two minutes after five o'clock. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty. Culminati five point three seven four nine fifteen
thirty is our phone number? Tarran? Is that Richard Skinner online?
Seven that I did I interrupt the conversation between you

(01:23:56):
and Arran Skinny.

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
Yes, I mean he's talking to me. I'm a polite
man right into talk.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
I would rather talk to him than me. If I
were you, I would trust me. I just kind of
is there anything you'd like to share with the rest
of the class.

Speaker 7 (01:24:14):
No, we just see. He just asked me about T Higgins,
and I said I don't know. I heard the doctor
wrong with you moment. He doesn't really know and nobody
seems to know. And that's a that's a problem for
your team's number two wide receiver at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Yeah, it's kind of interesting because there was such hyper
focus on week one, at least from the outside, the
team didn't look very focused, but such hyper focus on
week one that when we saw that he was in
jeopardy of not playing and then he wasn't going to play,
we kind of just ended the conversation there. My thought
immediately was, Okay, what about Kansas City, what about Washington?
What about the rest of the season for a guy

(01:24:47):
that's got an issue, a recurring issue with his hamstring?

Speaker 7 (01:24:51):
Yeah, I mean I I the other day when when
he didn't practice on that Thursday, I did Paul Daanner
Junior and Jay Morrison's podcast down at Nation Barn Grill
and it was it was great. I mean, it was
most of the beat was down there and we kind
of did it and in tandem, and so Charlie Goldsmith
and I did it. And one of the questions that
Jay and Paul asked, and they're always really clever with
this stuff they said, give me a guy you're buying

(01:25:11):
on this team, and a guy you're selling. And the
guy was buying was Cam telling Britt, I'm just really
bullish and I was gonna have and I did so.
Then we went to the panels, Who are you selling?
I go, all right, I'm ready for the tomatoes and people.
I really truly am because I know they're songing around
this when I sell this. I hate to do this
because I feel bad because I really like this kid.
I said, I'm telling I'm selling Tea higginscause of the

(01:25:33):
injury situation. The hamstring popped up on that Thursday. Here
we go again. This is a kid that's had a
bunch of these going all the way back to college.
And you know, some guys are just just built that way.
I mean, you remember Ken Griffy Junior again, of his career,
all the beating he probably took on that stupid asked
turf at the King though, really really compromised his career

(01:25:53):
at the end and ended up carrying the hamstring off
the bone. We're not there yet with t but you know,
Ken Griffy Junior did that, But we are at a
stage where that's where unfortunately, That's why I said I'm
gonna sell him, because you know he's on the injury
or port already didn't know he's gonna miss the game.
He obviously missed the game, and then it sounds like
it's gonna linger for a couple of three weeks, and

(01:26:14):
then he returns to it another week to make sure
he's right, but then does it happen again? And so
I just I feel bad for him. I certainly feel
bad for this team because, uh, you know was I.
I know there's a lot made that Joe Burrow's not
the same quarterback without elite receivers. I'm not buying that yet,
although I do think he has to gain the trust
us or the trust of some of the guys in

(01:26:34):
a rosser. But it doesn't hurt to have a number
one who's fully focused on a one, A who's healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Yeah, no question. Joe had his own issues against New England,
and so we really can't answer the question. I guess like, well,
how are they supposed to account for his absence? But
I'll ask it anyway, like, how are they supposed to
account for his absence? Who steps up? It's supposed to
be yo savage? But man, I don't know that. What
I saw on Sunday was suggest that it is no.

Speaker 7 (01:27:02):
And I talked to Trenton Irwin for a little bit
because Trenton's probably kind of been the fourth receiver in
that group member. It's been the big three, right, and
that's what's been talked about. They were called the big
three Tyler Boyd, t Higgins, Jamar Chase. And you know,
Tyler's gone because a free agency. He's dealing with the injury,
not playing, and Jamar is not completely there, although I
think another week back will be even better for him.

(01:27:23):
And he was he wasn't awful in the open six
for sixty two and all six targets is way he caught.
But then where's the trust factor with the kids? I
think he was a trust factor there were Trenton. In fact,
you know, Trenton made a really good move in my opinion,
down by the goal line about the twenty one yard line,
where you know, Joe scrambled out to his right, Trenton
broke up as a route, came back with him in

(01:27:43):
phase and then Joe overthrew him and threw it behind him,
which is not Joe Burrow like. And that was part
of the alarming part of the risk. But where's the
trust with the other guys. You know, Yoshi had three
catches for twenty six, Charlie Jones had one for five,
Treton only had one for six, Jermaine Burton had a
couple of and that's five catches. I'm doing the math
in my head at the moment for roughly thirty four

(01:28:06):
yards for wide receivers. That suggests he doesn't trust it
to either rip it because of the rifts, and I
believe there's a lot of truth to that. I think
we all wrote it. I know Paul wrote it. I
know I wrote it. I know Charlie goes with it,
wrote it. I mean, it doesn't make it right, but
we all wrote it, or he doesn't completely trust it.
If I throw this ball at one of the kids

(01:28:27):
in a way, I think he's making a cut, and
I throw a bad bull, it's gonna be picked. So
I'm not sure the trust factors are yet. And I
get it. I mean, Yoshi played okay last year, but
he didn't play a lot of snaps. Charlie hardly played
any snaps. And I love Trenton and I know he
trust Trenton, and like I said he trusted trent On
a route which Trenton broke it off and then didn't
make a very good throw. So yeah, at some point

(01:28:47):
you're just gonna have to let it go and trust
that those guys are gonna make a play. And if
they don't, well, then you go ahead, coach, and we
gotta do better.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
We gotta find something else.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Richard Skinner from a Local twelve readA his work Local
twelve dot com follow him on x at Local twe skinny,
they missed thirteen tackles against New England and then today
I see that Logan Wilson's on the injury report. That's
not a good combo.

Speaker 7 (01:29:08):
No, and actually, Louisa Rumo tols today was actually fourteen tackles.
The question has brought up. We've seen we've seen different
sites of thirteen tackles, twelve tackles, ten tackles, which which
Jay Morris is the one that asked us, I wanted
your full credit and he said, he said, would you
be willing to share it? He because, yeah, we missed
fourteen tackles and probably work more critical than most, but yeah,

(01:29:28):
so fourteen tackles, mo on what was really thirty six
running plays. They had thirty nine carries, right, but three
of those were Jakoby Brissette taking kne at the end
of the game, So those count officially, but they don't
really count in miss you're not missing a tackle on
a kneel down. I don't. I don't think maybe may
maybe you could. I hope you wouldn't. But fourteen missed
tackles on thirty six that's forty percent of the plays.

(01:29:49):
And yet to your point, we watched Logan come out
on the field today. He had a compression sleeve on
his left leg. I didn't think anything of it other than, okay,
maybe he's sore. And by the way, Logan Wilson, in
case you're keeping score at home, people had zero miss
tackles on day.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Yeah, one of the few guys that.

Speaker 7 (01:30:08):
Came away unscathed is now having dealing with a knee injury.
And that's that's I think it's problematic because I think
Logan's a great player. It might be a little less
problematic against this team. Even though Pachecto is a good
running back, you know, he's more of a finest runner.
They do obviously love to throw the ball because they
have an elite quarterback and that probably fits a Keen

(01:30:30):
Davis skater. But I mean, if this is long term
and you get in the knee of the schedule with
with the duke deal with a knee, who's a who's
a terrific run stopper himself, that's a problem. So hopefully
this is more management than anything else. This is one
of the things about doing a press conference with the
head coach before a practice, because he didn't know and
he mo he saw it. He didn't come out of

(01:30:51):
the game hurt on Sunday, Obviously he did something to it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
We will talk to Zach again Friday. Uh after after practice,
We'll see where it stands. But yeah, being being on
the on the out list today with a on the
BNP list today with a me is not a good
place to be.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Do you have anybody over there at Local twelve who
could who knows a lot about the economy and and
could explain how the Bengals might have cash flow issues.

Speaker 7 (01:31:18):
I will tell you this in all honesty. I know
what teams are valued at right. I think the Bengals
actually the value from Ford there is one thing and
another place value them like a billion dollars more yesterday
and throwing a complete blank on who it was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
But I saw it.

Speaker 7 (01:31:34):
Valuation doesn't eedal cash on hand. It just doesn't. I
mean it doesn't. And so that's where I always I
always defer I'm not there's a funny part of a lot.
I was an accounting major for like a year and
a half in college, so I had a finance economics
portion of the program and went, uh, sport ridings for me,
I'm going to that field.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
All right, Well, I didn't you know Dwayne Pullman or
somebody could explain this. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:31:58):
Somebody Polman can explain anything.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
My man, right, yeah, and he always is wearing those like,
you know, professorial suits, and maybe we could. You could
put him in touch with me and he could explain
how an NFL team.

Speaker 7 (01:32:12):
He's the godfather, sure, godfather?

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
All right? Uh, thank you, thank you as always for
joining us, much appreciated.

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
Take care.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
You want me to put you back on hole so
you can talk to Taran. Oh, you know, I don't know.
Twenty nine away from six o'clock, five one three, we
will take some phone calls five one three seven. We
have to update our poll question Bengals game plan is
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ten French prospect hal Vinzella, captain of the U twenty
FOBA team representing France this season and its gold medal run,
averaging eight points and four point four rebounds over a
seven game stretch. What do we have?

Speaker 7 (01:34:51):
We have?

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Poul questions thanks to United Heartland Insurance go to uchions
dot com. Of these two choices, which would be the
I preferred outcome on Sunday? Hey, Burrow looks like he
did versus the Pats struggles Bengal somehow econ Gnarley looking
win or Burrow plays looks awesome, looks great, seems comfortable,
throws passes beyond ten yards. Bengals still lose. I want

(01:35:15):
them to win badly. I will not give it back
if they do. I'd take b thirty five percent of
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Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
He has taken over the Monday morning mashups column at
Summer Sports, and it's uh, he's awesome. I have followed
this guy and read this guy for a while and
heard him on a few podcasts. So we're gonna talk
about the Bengals and Joe Burrow and some of the
resulting issues from Sunday. Uh. We don't have a ton

(01:35:50):
of time, Mike, before we talk to our guests. Go ahead, Well,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you for the nice
email last night. What's up?

Speaker 13 (01:35:58):
Thanks for putting me on though, excuse me, if you
want to know about the case flow issues with the
bang of why don't you reach out to our CPA.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure he's going to
open up the books for me. I do understand there
is a difference between a franchise's valuation and cash in hand.
I do understand it. But just understanding how the NFL works,
I find it hard to believe that what keeps a
team from signing a player are cash flow issues A.

Speaker 11 (01:36:28):
Bit of a show game.

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
Hey mo, you're still playing home dog.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Daily every day.

Speaker 7 (01:36:35):
Yeah, you're the man, You're the man.

Speaker 11 (01:36:37):
How's it working out?

Speaker 13 (01:36:37):
Okay? You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
This year, there was a there was a lull early
in the season, and we talked about it. But it
has been pretty profitable as the season is unfolded.

Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
Okay, Mike Evans.

Speaker 13 (01:36:49):
I'm gonna say right now that Mike Evans is probably
the most underrated wide receiver. But ten years in a
low mo he has a thousand yards. If there's a
more consistent receiver, you tell me who it is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
No, you're exactly right, Longevity, Pro Bowl bursts, thousand yard seasons,
He's led the league in touchdowns, and I mean, yeah,
he played. He obviously played with Tom Brady, but it's
not like there's been a long line of great quarterbacks
for the majority of his career. And the thing that
you like most about him is he has been exceptionally durable.

(01:37:25):
He has played sixteen seasons. A bunch of times. I
was doing this this offseason. Football Reference has a tool
that they look at players whose career was of similar
quality and shape, and there are some Hall of famers
in there, like James Lofton and Andre Johnson. I think

(01:37:45):
Art Monk as well. And yet I think if you
were to go ask people to name the best receivers
of the last ten years, Mike Evans is rarely, if ever,
going to be one of the first names that anybody
mentions Mike. I love chatting with you. I'll leave some
time tomorrow, but I gotta run. Okay, Thanks, you got it.
Sean Sayed from a Sumer Sports next.

Speaker 9 (01:38:06):
Hey, if you're listener, join Dave Lapham and me for
Bengals game plan tonight, starting at six on the official
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Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Well from six, this is ESPN fifteen thirty. I guess
I don't have to tell you that Bengals game plan
is next because Dan just did. It's at the Holy
Grail tonight. Because I'm an idiot. You know, we tweet
out stuff happening every hour, and I left this one
in my drafts, so I will send this out. There's
a terrific football column. And you know we love the

(01:38:38):
folks at Sumer Sports. Shann Sayaed. His Monday morning mashup
is terrific. It's smart, it's analytical without being too wonky,
like over the head of someone like me who leaves
tweets in his drafts. And there's there's a good breakdown
of stuff in Week one that may matter, might not match, matter,

(01:39:00):
might matter, does matter, doesn't matter at all. One of
the things that might matter is how the Bengals struggled
in Joe Burrow's return, and we've obviously talked about that
almost NonStop since Sunday. Sean has a really good take
on it. Go read it now Sumer Sports, s U M. E. R.
And I'll throw the link out there here in just

(01:39:22):
a few minutes. Sean nice enough to give us a
few minutes excuse me this afternoon. It's good to have
you sean, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
Thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 15 (01:39:29):
You know, I know that Bengals fans may not be
feeling the best going into this week, but I'm hoping
that after we talked, you know, maybe they'll feel a
little bit more to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Well, let's hope. So I want to focus on one passage,
or at least one phrase you put in your piece,
because we all obviously focused on how Joe Burrow looked
and the unwillingness to throw the ball downfield and what
that might suggest regarding his wrist. At the same time,
I don't feel like the coaching staff did him any favors.

(01:39:58):
When he would complete a pass, the guy who caught
the ball was tackled almost instantly. That tells me they're
not scheming to get guys open, which is exactly what
you wrote. So when you did a critical kind of
deep dive into how the game plan unfolded, what did
you see?

Speaker 15 (01:40:13):
Yeah, I was a little bit bummed by what the
yards after catch looked like. And there were certainly situations
where you know, you have the receivers kind of running
five yards, turning around really quick. And I will say
that the Patriots defense is good, So I think that
by the end of the season, we'll look back at
this game and say, this was a really, really strong unit.
At the same time, the Bengals offense did try a

(01:40:34):
few different things. Really, what I was excited about was
actually what they were doing in the run game and
going into Kansas City. I think it's actually a game
plan where they should be looking to run the ball
a whole bunch. When Joe Burrow is in that shotgun, Look,
you get some of those linemen pulling around that can
help you out.

Speaker 6 (01:40:50):
At different times.

Speaker 15 (01:40:51):
So you know, it didn't all pay dividends just in
this game, but I do think there were some things
that I felt good about that showed me that the
coaching staff is looking at the film from last year.
There are trying a few new things that hopefully as
things get going, you know, you get Higgins back there,
you have just more threats on the outside. That run
game I think can actually explode.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
You know, there's something else that you pointed out, And
as you well know, we've wondered often about the offensive
line here, and I think we all went into this
season thinking, all right, Joe's going to play behind the
best offensive line he's been behind, even if it's still
not a great O line, And you point out he
was only pressured on six out of thirty five dropbacks.

(01:41:32):
If that's the rate on a week in a week out, basis,
who's not going to take that? So put the offensive
line on film for me, tell me what you saw.

Speaker 15 (01:41:40):
Yeah, this was really really a positive thing for the
Bengals where every year it feels like your concern is, Okay,
how much pressure are teams going to be able to
get on Joe Burrow? And if you keep on having
performances like that, I think that's going to be a
great situation for the Bengals because no one's stopping Joe Burrow,
T Higgins and Jamar Chase when he.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Has all that time.

Speaker 15 (01:42:01):
My concern was there were a few times where it
felt like, you know, maybe Burrow was just kind of
going through his head just a little bit too quick
where pressure didn't really happen yet, but he was already
kind of moving off the spot. So an overall takeaway
for me there, Look, this is Joe Burrow's first game
back in so long. If the offensive line is going
to continue to be able to perform like that, I mean, hey,

(01:42:21):
you got Chris Jones coming up this weekend. If you
can handle him and some of the other things that
Tee Spagnola is throwing at you, You're just hoping that
Burrow gets that comfort back, gets that feel back where
now we're pulling the trigger on some of those deep
throws that Bengals fans love to see.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
So you talk about what you like from the running game,
and I think there's a lot of people who looked
at it and said, all right, they were fine, but
the guy they traded away, Joe Mixon, was awesome for
the Texans, and so big deal. That's what they could
have had. Joe didn't fit here anymore. I'm gonna guess
he doesn't have thirty carries in a game again for
the Texans. And if he does, more power to him.
What would you say to someone who sort of frames

(01:42:57):
it that way.

Speaker 15 (01:42:59):
Yeah, I think that the important point here is Nixon's
running style is different than what the Bengals want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Right now, we're in that game.

Speaker 15 (01:43:07):
For the Texans, Mixon is you know, cdf routs under center.
He's running that kind of outside zone. Look over and
over again that Mixon is. He's good at that end
line in Houston played well. But now where Joe Burrow's
superpower is being in that shot and he can see
things that only he can see. It really is a superpower.
And to do that and be a successful offense. Having

(01:43:28):
someone that can execute the run game from shotgun particularly,
that is a big deal. Where the steps are different,
the feel is different, the whole entire approach is different
for a running back. So you know, whatever Joe Mixon
does to me, it kind of doesn't matter, just because
his skill set is different and what he's being asked
to do in Houston is different. Where now, I think
Cincinnati is comfortable with the running back group that they have.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Sean Sayad's with us, by the way, get him on
X at Sayad's schemes. Writing the Monday Morning Mashup column
for Sumer Sports, Uh, defensively, you know, there's a lot
of retooling that went underway this offseason. Some of that
didn't manifest itself by what we saw on Sunday because
they had a lot of guys who were hurt, but
they also had thirteen or depending on how you count,

(01:44:12):
fourteen miss tackles. Now, the way a lot of people
look at it is this is a function of not
hitting in the preseason or not playing the starters as
much as they should have. When you look at it
a little bit more analytically, what was the reason for
all the miss tackles?

Speaker 15 (01:44:27):
To me, look, well, I'm not the tallest guy. I'm
not the biggest guy. When if there is someone that
when I was playing football, I played cornerback and there's
a big running back running at.

Speaker 6 (01:44:35):
You, that is so so hard to do.

Speaker 15 (01:44:37):
And the Patriots did a really really good job of
over and over get reminders even a big physical back
on one of the Bengals cornerbacks in the run game,
and yeah, it led to too many misstackles for the Bengals.
If you're going to miss that many tackles, you're just
not going to be able to win that many games.
So that is certainly going to be a point of
emphasis where for me, you know, he doesn't even feel like, oh,

(01:44:58):
this is a situation where this can be kind of
solved in training camp. It's really a way that the
best offensive attacked defenses.

Speaker 6 (01:45:04):
Then obviously the.

Speaker 15 (01:45:05):
Patriots, they're they're draining the heck out of the clock
snap after snack. So it was just some unfortunate situations
where you got a big running back on a smaller cornerback,
just in a really tough spot.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Awesome stuff, man. I hope we can do it again
this season. Thanks so much, Thanks so much, looking forward
to you. You got it. You could read more of
Sean Sayed's work at summer sports dot com. We're done.
We have a loaded show tomorrow. I don't have enough
time to tell you about, but what I can tell
you is Dan and Lapper standing by at the Holy
Grail with Bengals game plan. That'd be my ride home.

(01:45:39):
Hopefully it's yours too. Have a great night. Thanks to
Terran for producing, Thanks to you for listening. This is
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