9/16/24 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 2 (00:40):
All right, starting right at three o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty,
Good afternoon, Moegar with Tony Pike. We're broadcasting from Twin
Peaks in Florence. It's the Tony and Mo Football Show
on ESPN fifteen thirty. Bengals losing to the Kansas City
Chiefs yesterday, an absolute gut punch of a loss. Cincinnati
is now zero to two with Monday night football looming.

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The Washington Commanders in town a week from tonight, we
are moments away. We believe from Zach Taylor's Monday afternoon
press conference and the contractually obligated live airing of his
press conference, I believe he is at the podium at
the stadium formerly known as Paul Brown Stadium. If I'm
not mistaken, I'm looking at Zach right now. Let's go

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to the podium and hear from the Bengals head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
So again, that's been a part of where we saw
this going all spring and training camp. It could be
more so in some games than others. Sometimes it gets
you matchups in the run game. Sometimes it gets you
matchups in the past game with your receivers. Even you know,
just having the tight ends on the field and the
base defensive provides. So when you got guys you believe in,

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which we got several tight ends that we believe in,
it allows you to be multiple and open it up.
And I thought that was a good element of our offense.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Sounds like the Chiefs double tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
NK.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
They always do.

Speaker 6 (01:56):
Do you do?

Speaker 5 (01:57):
You guys have more options when teams double tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
And it's hard for me to say it because we've
had a lot of talent that's been here and left
as well, so just maybe different ways that we can
use it. And uncovered Jamar too, you know, And so
again I felt good about the howl he utilize Jamorrow yesterday.
I know he didn't have a ton of targets, but

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it was more so because his presence really opened things
up for a lot of other guys because of the
attention he got. And so, you know, I walked off
from like, you know, five targets, four catches. But at
the same time, when you really study it, there was
times he could have gotten the ball and the ball
went beyond him for bigger plays, And so I thought that,
you know, we did a good job with the opportunities

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that were there.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
He continues to make good progress.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
He does.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, I think this extra day really helps this week.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
So all right, much like the Bengals yesterday, the feed

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that the Bengals used to stream their press conference didn't
get the job done. We'll go back to the venue
formally known as Paul Brown Stadium in just a second,
Zach Taylor speaking to the media. Kind of one of
those days right now, Tony where it feels like nothing
is going right.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, I just I went back today and I'm thinking, Okay,
here we are at zero and two again, and I
know the stats around at hero and two starred in teams,
three teams in history have made the super Bowl, and
we were supposed to have a different training camp.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
We don't.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, and now it feels like we can't even get
a normal press conference.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
A right, Well, Zach is back. I don't think he
ever left, but the stream did.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Here he is is on the one possession where we
had to you know, we weren't sure if we're going
to get him back in that drive or not. He
was kept looking at the tunnel, wait and see if
he's gonna come out of the tunnel any moment. And
then you just get down there and all of a sudden,
you got a It's difficult with the crowd noise to
rearrange some plays, make sure it's clear in the huddle
what's happening, because they couldn't hear as well. I mean

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they couldn't hear Burrow anything down there, and so again
everyone's just trying to read his lists, I'm sure, and
figure out what's going on. So just kind of a
once in a lifetime situation that occurred. We obviously got
back to the sideline and were able to conjure up
some more plays in case Drew was out again with
extra alignment or Harvard looked but just a while. I'm
glad we came over with the touchdown. I would have

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been really really frustrated howd we not. But that was
challenging when you look.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Back at the pass interference plays, where guys in the
spots they were supposed to be that change when Patrick.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Scrambled a little Yeah, I mean, anytime you're in zone
and he scrambles, it's it always creates guys that are
having to move and match receivers, and you know, it's
just it's how the situation played out. Dejon I thought
it did a great job trying to get himself in
a position. Just the way the ball's thrown. It's up,
you know, and so he's trying to go up and
make a play, and you know there's, yeah, you can

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talk through how you can subtly do it a little
bit differently, but it's bang bang, and that's that's football.
And proud of the way that those guys competed. They
had a great drive. The penalty occurred, they responded the
right way, gave up what three yards you know, after that,
and so there were some really good things to continue
to build off their further defense. It's discouraging, nonetheless because

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of how it ended, but there's some real positives to
draw from that last possession.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
So I said, he spoke to Dejon about that play,
and obviously, just as his own experience in that building,
for him to say to Dejon basic pix, I forget.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, how much does that help?

Speaker 5 (05:40):
They demonstrated the.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Room, the people well, I mean it's just you know,
staying in the locker room after the game, you can
see the emotion with the guys, how much they poured
onto that field and how much that game meant to
them and how disappointed they were. And it's a strange
thing to say, but that puts me in such a
positive mindset going forward, like just where this team is
at and how much they care and to take that

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loss so personally and guys you know feel like, man,
I it was maybe my play. When it's not. I mean,
that's a big pictures it's absolutely not. And I like
that he Dejon competes as hard as anybody out there, and.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
I want that from him.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I want that from Joseph Osai, you know, And so
guys play hard and sometimes it won't go your way
and and that's not going to change our process. And
we want guys that care that much to word it
affects them that way, and there's other guys that can
lift them up. That's that's what I like about this team.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Obviously, you guys have been in this situation before.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
That hurt me too.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
What's the most unique thing about this startup? Hearing evagally
another start you almost had, you know somewhere record.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, I mean they're all disappointing. This is certainly all
the work work that we put in and the off
season and training camp, and you feel really good, and
so you don't anticipate the start. That's not what we anticipate.
But at the same time, I think there's a lot
of things that we'll continue to build off of and
and we're going to be in the right direction. Now
is we got to treat this week just like re
treated last week. You know, everyone's got to be on

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top of all the details, and we can't give these
guys an inch, and we got to find a way
to make every play we can and get this first win.
But you know, it's still there's still a lot of
football left to play. I'm confident our guys are going
to respond the right way.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
This week.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
As you evaluated Burton in the draft, was the first
thing that start out of his ability to kind of
beat the rest?

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Of course, Yeah, I think his his physicalness, He's a
physical player. His his contested catches really stood out to you.
His speed really really stood out to you. His competitiveness
stood out to you. I think those were those were
probably the first things that come to mind when you
watch them on tape.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
Or a guy that's not getting maybe the amount of
snaps and kount of report that he would like to get,
how big kind of play like that be a kind
of jump starting.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
It's a really good thing for him. I was really
proud of his attention to detail this week and the
emphasis he put in, and you know, there was opportunity
for that role to increase this week. It didn't all
play out that way as the game went, but he
was locked in and felt a lot of confidence in him.
You know, as we went through the week and there's

(08:10):
just that moment he makes that play where you're just
you're genuinely really happy for him making that play because
to a extent, it takes the pressure off your first
big play and in a real NFL game, and you've
waited for that moment. He's put in the work and
he'll continue to build off of that, and and our
confidence in him wills continue to grow. The go ahead, Jay,
I'll get you, and then I'll come back with the

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Dejon play.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
What what's the teaching point there? Because you know, if
it's a hail Mary, it's just knocking down, just knocking down.
But you can't really have that mindset and you want
it's more of a traditional play. You just go out
and knock the ball down and not make contact.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, it's again how the ball is throwing factors into that.
You know, whether you're just trying to get around the
defender to make the play to knock it down. I
think it put him in a more difficult situation because
it was up high, and so he's going up high
and trying to trying to make the play that way
as opposed to getting around and maybe can't get your
hand up there. So so bang bang. You can over
analyze it every which way. That's about all I can

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say on it.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
After Gas just watched Kansas City's office that maybe to
say how much the trade in through the city attacked
the game.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, I mean that's that's Tray. He's he's an impact
player for us. He's been that way every time we
played against him in our big games. Trey steps up
even when he's not making contact with the quarterback. You
feel it, you know, And so that's that's always in
their head. We gotta we got to help over there.
He's going to impact the game, even even on you
know a play where Patrick you know, broke contained on

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the right side going towards the tunnel, and had a
lot of free space to run. Who's chasing them down
from the backside? Trey, you know, just going all out?
And you know, so I can think of so many
times Trey on that field finishing plays like that where
he's just pursuing, you know, for for six seven seconds. Sam,
same one, And so again, those are those are guys

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that we count on to make those plays for us.
And and uh, they certainly had their really strong moments
last night for us.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
And was that one of the better picks you've seen.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, yeah, it's an amazing play. He's just got some
guys just have great and mean I said last night,
it's he's a quarterback, so we played catch. His whole life,
you probably played catch and through and you catch and
that translated. I always felt that really genuinely at Nebraska
had tremendous ball skills and that shows up in practice
for us, that shows up in games. Last year he

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had a bunch of great picks and so again he
just knows how to judge the ball. And you know,
sometimes the ball is thrown in a certain way where
one hand catch is a little you got a better
shot at it. So he was kind of in that
body position where he could snatch it with his right hand,
and and uh, this impressive player jood it.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Going howing very I think when sins Burrow has been
held like it was the three tread games since Furrows
like rookie year, why have you all been able to
bounce back?

Speaker 5 (10:58):
Is florid late when y'all.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Have a little more for maybe if you used to
suffering leuble losses that back.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, it's hard. I mean, I don't we don't use
the word avoiding losing. I mean, we're going to win.
That's just our mindset. So I don't have a great
answer for you're there. It's just we're going to find
a way to win.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
Every game is different, every circumstance and situation. But do
do you have a baseline of wis too early.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
To go for to.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
It's conversation. The game flow will dictate that too, and
so probably the moment you're referring to is when we
missed the extra point, maybe, And so however you want
to look at that, had you made that, they're kicking
the game tying field goal at the end of the game,
you know, by kicking that extra point, and so I

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think you can slice that a couple different ways. I
feel like our red zone defense was really good and
had done a good job holding them to field goals
as opposed you know, they got the long touchdown obviously
on the on the go route, but our defense had
a lot of faith that we're going to hold them
to field goals and not touchdowns, and so two field
goals is going to have to be what's required of them.
So third quarter just felt too early to go for

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two and felt like, let's just take the points and
and keep this a six point leading.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Your experience in an emotional game, close game, and what
happens with Jamar in the fourth quarter. What has been
your experience is the best way to handle the player,
the team and in that whole dynamic.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
It's always unique. I mean, every situation is unique and
every player is different. And again, just trying to get
everyone to settle down and take a deep breath, because
you know, sometimes you get in a moment and it's
it's a very emotional moment and everyone reacts little differently,
and so you got to find a right way to
get to them. And obviously that's not something we can
have take us out of a third and six, third
and seven to a third and third and long that

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really now we're just trying to get back a field
goal range to ensure the kick at that point, and
so those are that's not what we're about, obviously, those
are those are things that we've avoided in the past
and something we got directified.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
You have known Jamar awhile now would you say wins
and production.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Make him the happiest on you?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I I admire his competitiveness. I don't ever want to
I don't ever want to try to tame that energy
and that competitiveness, because that's what makes him one of
the greatest in this league. And so again he knows,
he knows, But I like that fire from him. Sure,
there's been times I've had to rip him for for

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the penalties he's gotten against the Chiefs, but I can
think of the one here a couple of years ago
after the touchdown. But at the same time, that's that's
the competitiveness that I want from him, and we feed
off of that. And so again it's just managing it
the right way. But I respect that about Jamar.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Like any of the off field stuff that he's had
to deal with and maybe contributed to anyone.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
You'd have to ask him. Okay, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
All right, there he goes. Zach Taylor chatting with the
media alive at the venue originally known as Paul Brown
Stadium just a few minutes ago. Actually that was live.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
We carried it live.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Bengals loose to the Chiefs yesterday twenty six to twenty five.
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Speaker 2 (14:28):
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little bit later on, but first we'll sift through all
the different things that happened yesterday in Kansas City. It
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Speaker 6 (14:52):
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Speaker 2 (14:59):
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after the Bengals play the Washington Commanders on Monday Night Football.
All right, we have a lot to talk about. Uh,
Let's let's start with just the general theme macro level

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before we dive into the ins and outs. Devastating loss. Yeah,
or encouraging performance, still.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
A devastating loss with good pieces mixed in. This is
where I struggle the most with a game like yesterday,
and where a game like last Sunday rears at Tuglyhead
even more because if the Bengals are want to know
and they go play that game in Kansas, even if
they beat New England on the last second field goal,
and they go to Kansas City and they play that
way and you're one and one, you feel great, right,
zero and two, I'm just I'm no more of the

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moral victory, like, oh rah rah. Some good things happen.
They barely lost. Yes, good things happen in that game
that give you reason for optimism going forward. But they
also let a game slip through their hands when they
led after the third quarter on a huge momentum changing play,
had the ball in their hands and came up empty.

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Had a fourth and sixteen where you're one stop away
from walking that arrowhead with a win. You had Patrick
Mahomes who turned it over twice, they fumbled another one
he threw for one hundred and fifty one yards. Travis
Kelsey had one catch. There are so many things in
that game that you say, man, you could build off those,
but at the very root of it, I'm not about
moral victory and the numbers. You know, I said the

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number earlier oh to two, And since the playoffs went
to fourteen teams, thirty two teams have started ohing too.
Two teams have went to the playoffs. Yea, the Bengals
were one of them and the Texans. Three teams ever
starting oh and two have won a Super Bowl. So
those are the numbers you're up against. And I know
you got a fourth play schedule, but all off season
I was told off seasons, different training camps, different because

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we have to start faster. And however you slice it up,
whatever good or bad you want to call and two
and that still that still sucks.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, and we can we can default to the schedule.
They're seven and a half point favorites against Washington. Chances
are they're going to win that game. But the more
you start oh and two, the more you run the
risk of at some point being oh and three. We've
talked about this for a couple of years now. The
more you play with fire, the greater the likelihood to
get burned. And at some point it's gonna happen. Do

(17:23):
I believe it's necessarily gonna happen on Monday night. No,
but you know who knows. Man. None of us thought
that the Bengals were gonna We're gonna lose the first
game against the Patriots. But I my first thought immediately
after that game ended was this is okay, and this
is probably still going to be okay. I think the
Bengals are going to be okay. But this is okay
if they don't get beat by a bad Patriots team

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who I know played Seattle really tough yesterday at home,
but still if they lose. If they don't lose to
a bad Patriots team, we walk away from this feeling okay. Now,
the encouraging signs you saw yesterday from Joe Burrow and others,
it does get washed away a little bit by the
fact that oh and two is hard to overcome. Now
the schedule does ease up significantly here.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Well not em Moore, because now they're gonna see Andy
Dalton instead a Price Young.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's true over the next couple of weeks, I guess
from the standpoint of encouraging performance. I said this on
my show last week. I was more interested in how
Joe Burrow played and how he looked than I was
the outcome of the game, because if he looks the
way he does against New England and they lose, that's
not a win as far as I'm concerned. He didn't
look great, he didn't look like vintage Joe, but he

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looked better and more comfortable than he did against New England.
That to me is if I'm looking at this from
a macro perspective, that's the biggest takeaway.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, and they go from a week ago four under
center snaps to seventeen yesterday. Gotta be some level of
comfort there. Now. They didn't line up and run it well,
and we'll talk about the offensive line today. And what
better way to hopefully get MEM's back than with two
very winnable games because Trent Brown's not the guy right
now right tackle. But you know, it's unique in a
way that there are things that led to them losing

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yesterday that all seemed like you can fix. And we'll
talk about him right the fourth and sixteen play call,
a drop pass, Burrow fumbling a ball in a pocket
like those are all things that are one off, so
you say, okay, be better the next time. There's not
as many of the fundamentally, like, man, I'm nervous about
that position, or I'm nervous about this player going forward.

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So that for that reason is optimism. And yes, the
way Joe Burrow moved in the pocket, and I thought
the way he threw the ball, I still think a
couple got away. He's yet to be asked to drive
the ball twenty five yards into a small window. Everything
had been more touched, but far and above. He looked
way more comfortable yesterday than he has. I thought he

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answered the bell. Now he'll tell you himself, and you
listen to him after the game last night, it's one
of the most frustrated mag you'll hear him. Yes, and
I know because of that fumble and the momentum that
that team had, sure, but there was also a drop
before that that led to that, that made it a
third and ten. So I do. I circled Burrow as
the biggest and I know dive into a lot more.
But there were for me more positives than negatives yesterday,

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and again positives to build on the defense as a whole.
Trey Hendrickson, Yeah, if if the Bengals win that game,
we're talking for years about the Trey hendrickson game My goodness, Yeah,
Cam Taylor BRIT's interception to talk about it and then
back it up, and the negatives that we're talking about
don't seems as major. It's things that, Okay, polish those
things up and they should be better if.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
We were a play away, that's the thing. We were
a play away from that being the theme, and instead
the theme is they're zero to two, and frankly, for
my money, they gave it away. Now I can be
encouraged by the performance. At the same time, the result
was given away to the Kansas City Chiefs. We were
texting at halftime, you, me and Austin. At that point,

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they're up sixteen to ten. They had scored on four
of their first five possessions, and they were two up
in turnovers. Yeah, and yet they're up by six points.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I had a bad feeling.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
And Zach Taylor's response going into the half was we
have to convert the red zone trips to touchdowns. You
knew that as the game was going on, And I
guess the frustrating part for me is, yes, they bounce back,
but for a week nationally by multiple people, they were
essentially called soft and They had a chance to line
up in those low red zone situations and try to

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punch a team in the mouth, and they couldn't do it.
That's demoralizing to me that you have to still rely
on the shotgun passing game in those low red zone
Just look at the math, look at the numbers. It's
not sustainable. You eventually have to win in those situations.
But you're right, and the fact that Zach Taylor alluded
to it going in, we can't settle for those field goals.

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You knew that, even he knew that that you're probably
not going to see a situation in the second half
where you're plus two again in the turnover and you
have all those opportunities, and they were close to that.
But it missed opportunities in a game at Arrowhead Stadium.
Those are different than missed opportunities in a Monday night
game at home against Washington.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
In that first drive, they went forward on fourth and
three from the forty three yard line, they get to
fourth and goal from the four, they kick a field goal.
Would you have gone for it?

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I still would have because I still want to trust
the defense. It's okay, we go forward on the four,
you get us the ball back if we don't get it.
I think that sets more of a tone than the
field goal, And as the game played out, kind of
back that up. The defense did play well. You know,
the defense was beaten by a tackle eligible touchdown and

(22:34):
then another seven or six was given up from the
Joe Burrow fumble. Defense was great.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
One go route. Yes, the backup tackle in a good
play where.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Cam Tayler brit was actually in position and slowed down
just a little bit. Outside of that, you could not
ask for anything better.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
So to me, look, I have a hard time. I
have a hard time saying don't take the points. Yeah,
But at the same time, you had coached really aggressively
earlier in the drive, we're gonna go for it and
basically midfield fourth and three, Well, you need touchdowns to
go on the road to be candidate.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
It feels like it's a chance to make this statement
and give more confidence in your team, right, instead of
don't feel good about it, Let's let's take the points.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
All right. I want to get a break in so
we stay on time. There's obviously a lot to touch
on here. We have done thirty minutes and we haven't
blamed the officials. I don't know how much of that
you want to do. I gotta be honest with you.
I don't want to do any I don't. I don't either.
It was a pass interference call. Thank you three to
thirty for I mean what we will talk about, yeah,
is the decision made out of the time out from

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lueyn Arumo on the fourth and sixth. We might spend
an hour on that.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
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foul language, profanity used by grown men versus direct personal
abuse of language toward a game official. That's the line.
When that line gets crossed, we simply cannot let that
happen in pro football. That is a direct quote. You
have any thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
I think he allowed it to happen for a little
bit before he threw the flag. You know, there was
the initial instance, and then it was Joe Burrow running
in there, Yeah, probably explaining, Yeah, the severity of the situation,
and Jamar Chase went back in. It looked like there
was a warning there and Jamar Chase was clearly over

(24:39):
the top with it. I wonder mo the mindset of
Jamar Chase right now. You know, he goes in earlier
in the week and he says the AFC still runs
through us. He takes out a fifty million dollar life
insurance policy or insurance policy on himself, not life insurance.
He's obviously frustrated how the preseason went. Yeah, he is

(25:02):
seeing a lot of double teams. He's targeted just five times.
Nothing really down the field. I watched late in that
game when he was being doubled. It didn't feel like,
at least to me, he was running one hundred percent
off the line. Probably frustration there. And then he was
upsetting in arms about feeling like he was hip drop tackled,
which he wasn't. But feels like he's worrying a lot

(25:25):
about things that he shouldn't be worrying about instead of
what he should be worrying about.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yah. My thought when I saw him throw his helmet.
Was That's not a man who's merely mad at a miscall.
That's a man whose frustration is boiling over quickly. Bengal's
hosting the Commanders a week from tonight. They're in Carolina.
In thirteen days. Bryce Young has been benched in favor
of former Bengal Andy Dalton. Monday Night Football tonight. He

(25:50):
got the Falcons and Eagles on the Monday Night of
that game is live on ESPN fifteen thirty. College Football Texas, Georgia,
Ohio State, Alabama, Ole miss one through five in the
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at six o'clock. Unless he punts, live on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Reds are off. They start their final home stand of
the season tomorrow with the first of three against the

(26:12):
Atlanta Braves. Let's take a look at Joe Burrow's passing
numbers from yesterday's game. Brought to you by Jake Sweeney
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Yesterday twenty three of thirty six two hundred and fifty
eight yards and a couple of touchdowns, a passer rating
of one ozh three point seven. Unfortunately, his afternoon included

(26:36):
a sack fumble. Yeah, where the Bengals are up twenty
two to seven at the time, McPherson misses the pat
which you cannot do.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Twenty two to fifteen, right, it's twenty two to seventeen,
or yeah, seventeen, twenty two to seventeen, they're up five.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Ye, McPherson misses the pat then Cam Taylor britt with
that might be the best interception I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Can you end the third quarter with the lead and
all the momentum.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Right and the ball yep, So I'm thinking worst case man,
get three. It's twenty five seventeen. Now they got a
score and get a two point conversion of Taiya in
that drive. The first play of it, Mike Kasiki, who
otherwise had a really good game, drops one in his
bread basket.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Yeah, and that was going to be a chunk play
for the Cincinnati Bengals. So it's just it's in one
of those It's one of those plays with Gasiki that
you look and if he makes that play, you're now
probably a first down out of field goal range. The

(27:38):
drop creates second and ten. The next play creates third
and long.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
And that's not an excuse the ball security. He fumbled
the first time he got hit last week, almost fumbled
a quarterbacks like, the ball security has not been good, right.
It's one thing to fumble, when that fumble turns into
a scoop and score and completely changes the momentum. And
then the menem has lost to get on the next
draft because Lamar Chase loses his mind when you're trying
to go down and scoore. It's just too many things

(28:07):
that kind of self imploded what could have been a
really good fourth quarter, really good way.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah. I mean, after that they get the ball back.
The first thing that happens is Orlando Brown gets called
for holding when they get to the Kansas City thirty three.
Then the flag on Jamar Chase. They do kick the
field goal, they get the ball back up to a
six fifty seven to go, they don't do anything with it.
They punt it back. And so we're gonna talk about
the last drive in the last player, the last play

(28:33):
before we felt like God, Kansas City's gonna win. The game,
but multiple times on offense they had a chance to
increase the lead and maybe to a degree, put the
game away and did not.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Yeah, and because of everything that happened on the drive
before the lost drive, as you just mentioned, bo is
getting the ball back and having the opportunity to run
the clock out.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Huh. Instead they killed about four minutes.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
They did, and it you know, they started with a
pass which I liked. Eric all got a pass and
then it was nothing from Zach Moss. Gaseki makes the
catch and then has the great effort on third down
to reach the ball out. But then the next first down,
and we'll talk about this, Chase Brown explodes through for
twelve yards. He had three other carries in the game,

(29:21):
like completely completely puzzling. They go back to Zach Moss
in the next first down, he gets nothing incomplete the
Yoshi vash and then a sack. Bengals have to punt.
We'll get to the final drive. But even after all
that had happened, you get the ball back with a
chance to at least go down and score or run
the clock out, and you fail to.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Do so, so they punt it away to Kansas City.
Let's just fast forward to fourth and sixteen Chiefs with
the ball at their own thirty five yard line. We
were texting about it late last night. You talked about
it extensively today on Monday midday quarterback. Why rush only.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Three biggest biggest blunder that I can remember in the
lu Anaumo era, honestly, and and and and to preface it,
think about what had happened again they win. We are
here talking today about the Trey Hendrickson game for the
Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
If Trey Hendrickson wasn't consistently wrap had the left tackle
wrap his arm around his neck, he has four or
five secs. Yes, he was awesome.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
It was. It was one of the most dominant performances
by a defensive player I can remember, Like you think,
eleven guys, one guy's not gonna change his mind was awesome.
It was by himself hej Watt level. Yes, like yes,
it was that level of dominant. And if you if
you also look back, they benched the left tackle. It

(30:46):
was that bad they benched him. They bring in another
and on fourth and six, the long play to Travis Kelsey,
he's called for holding. So on the play before the
biggest play in the game. The new left tackle gets
called for holding and you see facial expressions. No one
can block Trey Hendrickson. At this point fourth and sixteen,
and right before the timeout, Logan Wilson has kind of

(31:07):
walked up into the a gap like, good bring some pressure,
don't make this easy. They came out of the timeout.
It looked like they were playing prevent in the end zone. Right.
They had eight guys backed by the first down marker.
It looked like Kansas City was down seven. And not
only that, Joe Goodbury pointed this out today. Fourth and sixteen,

(31:28):
Dijon Anthony Anthony. He played two snaps Week one against
New England. He's on the field as the sixth dB.
Zach Carter is in up the middle. No Mike Hilton,
no Jordan Battle, no Sam Hovers.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Explain that I can't I explain because I saw the
same thing. Yeah, Joe, I can't. That defies explanation. So
let's get back to rushing just three because watching in
a real time and then torturing myself this morning, I'm going, Okay,
that means we can put three guys on Trey hendricks
And they did, right, which is exactly what they did.

(32:01):
So we're gonna buy Patrick Mahomes. Look had a pedestrian
game yesterday, but we're gonna give Patrick Mahomes of all people,
more time. So we have Dijon Anthony on the field.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, and who knows if Mike Hilton's there or Jordan Battle,
who have more experience. Maybe they don't get there early.
They've played more balls in the air than that. But
by far the biggest miss is a left tackle who
just got called for holding, gets help left guard, left
tackle samaj p Ryan. All were tasked with Trey Hendrickson

(32:35):
on that snap, Uh huh and Romo before the snap,
he's drawing it up as the ball's getting snapped. Yeah,
he's gonna drop. He wants to push up and he
wants to escape left. Do you know how he can't
do that? If you rush four or five and Trey
Hendrickson's one on one against a guy that can't block him,
has no business being on the field. Instead, you play
right into what they want to do out of a
timeout and allow Patrick Mahomes to scramble up left. Create

(32:58):
more time. You watch the pocket, especially the whole second
half when Tragics was dominating, could they have even got
sixteen yards down the field before pressure was in Mahomes' face.
I know, I know Mahomes is a magician. He's not
that elusive. They have gotten their hands on them all
throughout the afternoon, and when they didn't, they were called

(33:19):
for penalties. You took the pressure off, You allowed him
to do exactly what he wanted to do. It to
me was the biggest miss that I can remember since
Luyna Rumo has been the defensive coordinator to have a
player so dominant allowed to be blocked by three different
people on one possession. I mean, Zach Carter didn't do anything.
If anything, give me Osai, Hubbard and Hendrick saying, three

(33:41):
guys that go after.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
The corner Zach cart people says Zach Carter was held.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
He didn't even try, He just stood there in the middle.
It's just it was so frustrating, and unfortunately, as it
was playing out, you're waiting for the worst thing to happen.
You're waiting to see that because the longer you give
Mahomes with those weapons, the more the vulnerable you become
to a big play, and that's what ends up happening.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a combination of rushing only
three who you didn't have on the field, and then
who you did. I know, Dejeon Anthony had a great
camp and I hope to God that kid has a
bright NFL future. That snap fourth and sixteen, with the
game hanging in the balance, was his eighth career NFL snap. Yeah,
earlier in the game he had been called for uh,

(34:25):
I think illegal hold on defensive illegal contact al Travis Kelcey.
That's just not a situation. I understand. Folks are going
to say, well, if you're on the team, you ought
to be you know, you ought to coach, ought to
be able to use at any point. Not there, man,
not there. And I'm sorry. I know we have folks
in our audience who want us to beat up on
the officials and talk about a conspiracy. That was pass interfering?

(34:47):
Was the call that was early contact?

Speaker 4 (34:49):
I mean the Kansas City they just on the last
play at a fifty yard game with Kelsey and they
got called back right on a hold. Right, So they're
going to be complaining as well. Everyone's going to be
complaining in football, and I know it's the Chiefs, and
you just.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Complain about bad calls. That wasn't a bad call.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Correct, that was not one of them. The bad call
was not rushing. I might have even brought five and
said we are not going to allow you to sit
back there and be a magician. We're gonna make you
throw the ball on time and put it up for grabs. Instead,
he got to see everything he wanted ahead of him,
moved around the pocket freely for everything that we're talking about.

(35:25):
So three guys went to Hendrickson two double, Zach Carter,
Joseph Osai one on one. Yeah, pin your ears back,
did nothing.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
And and for Trey Hendrickson fourth and sixteen, if you
bring four or five, he's already dominant enough. Now he
gets to pin his ears back. I just I thought
it was very confusing, and unfortunately as it's playing out,
watching it, man, this this doesn't feel. You're very uneasy
about it.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah. And then and then to not have Mike Hilton
Yeah in the game, yep, doesn't. Well, he's a slot corner, dude,
he's a cornerback.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
He's a dbnithon. He was in his sixth corner.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Extraordinarily experienced dB who's been in every possible situation and again, man,
it sounds like we're beating up on de John Anthony,
he shouldn't have been in that position.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
It's reps, Like how many how many times in Mike
Kilton's career has he visibly got to make a play
on the ball, not in practice, but in a game.
That's a bang bang play like that right way more
than to John Anthony two by all, I said, like,
if he's there a half second later, it's a great play.
It's a pass breakup, you win the game. He didn't
have reps at that. He gets there early, blatant pass

(36:31):
interference and you know the rest of the story. It's
just the decision to rush three and then the personnel
decision coming out of it. It wasn't like you were scrambling.
It's coming out of a timeout. Yeah, you had a
chance to say this is our best in this situation,
and that's what you drew up. And that's puzzling.

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Speaker 4 (37:09):
He's gonna announce soon when the drawings will be held.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
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Speaker 4 (37:16):
I think she's working like a drinking of water right now.
She's working on a on an outline right now.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
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That's a question for maganets. We'll let her be in
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is made?

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Speaker 4 (39:58):
That's a thing. I haven't heard that yet today. Don't
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Speaker 4 (40:24):
That's right, moves to a Tuesday Monday night football.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Monday Night football next week the Washington Commanders come to town. Uh,
can I run through a couple of I don't know
if these are positives or just observations. Yes, you ready?

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Chase Brown looked electric. He should be RB one.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Yeah. Twelve carries to Zach Moss, four carries for Chase Brown.
Make it make sense?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
It doesn't.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
It doesn't make sense at all.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Chase Brown is your go to guy on kickoff returns.
He showed electricity in running. Zach ma hadn't gotten much
going on the ground, and the carries were that lob
I was surprised they were as lopsid as they were
in week one. Yeah, and it was like, apparently nothing
in week one swayed the snap despared except to give

(41:14):
Zach Moss more touches than Chase Brown. It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
The Chase Brown thing is weird because early in the
season last year, never saw him right, and then we
got a chance to see him a little bit when
they had to switch to a little bit more of
a running offense when Joe Burrow got hurt. Yeah, but
then by the end of the year we weren't seeing
him again, and then the season starts and it's you know,
heavy doses of Zach Moss, like at some point, not
that I think any running back in this offense should

(41:39):
ever get twenty five carries, but I would just like
to see what he could do with something around fifteen touches, yeah,
in a game.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah. And it like we heard all all interchangeable, interchangeable, interchangeable,
And it certainly feels like there's a lean to Zach
Moss right now. Yeah, But Brown looks to me, and
maybe it's personnel wise because mentioned the table show seventeen
Snaps under Center. I got some questions on the offensive
line that I didn't think I was gonna have.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
I don't think Kapp has played great in two weeks.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
He has not.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Trent Brown has certainly not. I think Orlando Brown's been solid.
Cordell Wolson, Volson, Ted Carris is solid. He's good, Yes,
but there are more question marks up front through two
games than I thought I would have.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
The Bengals have good tight ends. They've got a lot
of them. Yep, they've got good tight ends. Mike Kisiki
had the one key drop, which you cannot ignore. Yeah,
But other than that, I like how they used him.
He had some big catches in the game, and once
they get Ta Higgins back, I think it's fun to
think about how they may use him.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yeah, And I thought Gaseki after the drop, had the
huge conversion on third down, lowered the shoulder was able
to get the first down. So fourteen catches spread out
among the tight ends one hundred fifty one yards and
that's still without Tanner mcgloughtin, who they thought enough of
to keep. So I still think there's more room for growth.
And I thought it was a good counter to a

(43:02):
team trying to take away Jamar Chase. Now, I think
with that, you still need to scheme other ways to
get Jamar Chase involved than what he was yesterday. But
I thought a good step forward showing how dynamic these
tight ends can be for the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
It was a weird Chase game. Is that an okay
way of putting it?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yeah, Well, the talk leading in, you're thinking, okay, he's
gonna he's gonna go off right, and you know going
in that without t Higgins, he's gonna get double team
the majority of the time. But that doesn't mean you
still can't scheme ways to get him. No, no real
deep throws. Justin Jefferson beat a double team on a
ninety seven yard touchdown pass, Seedee Lamb beat a double

(43:42):
team on a touchdown reception. There has to still be
ways to get him more than just five targets in
a game. But the way they used him was just
kind of underneath. It was almost decoy level. It is.
It's it's a weird situation. It was a weird week
leading in andah a very frustrating penalty with a lot

(44:02):
of weird circumstances going on around Jamar.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Chase, and then there was Jermaine Burton. Yes, we suspected
coming into the game that he was gonna get his shot.
He got a shot to make a play and he did.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Forty seven yarder. Yeah, run straight, don't ask him to
read anything, don't ask him to run an elaborate ro
route tree, just go up and get it. And he
has shown, whether the preseason against thirteen guys or the
game yesterday, with the best DBS that that Kansas City
can throw out there, he can win those one on

(44:36):
one battles. And again, there has to be trust and
you've got to build that way. And I don't know
what that looks like with t Higgins coming.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Back, but there's got to be something there that you.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Gotta be something there for right yep, Because as much
as you like Trent Irwin, he's not had a real
impact yet. No, And Yoshi vas was great and two
catches in the red zone, yes, is he not getting
open in the fields? First catch was to Riff, Yes, yes, phenomenal,
But where is that during in the field when Chase
is getting those double teams that the answer is the

(45:06):
tight ends and not Yosi Vasha.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
And you've got to think, like, if you put Burton
on the field, right now. Teams are gonna go wonder
what what they're gonna do with him? And he still
ran by him, He still ran him and made a
good catch. He made a really good catch, and so
they did. He had ten snaps yesterday. Maybe that's something
they can build upon absolutely moving forward. What are they
gonna do on the defensive line?

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Find help?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Bj Hill leaves the game with the hamstring issues. Sheldon
Rankins leaves the game with the hamstring issue.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Really noncommittal from Zach Taylor today on the severity.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Right, maybe Chris Jenkins can come back. Tyler McKinney is on,
got help somewhere, I mean, gotta find help somewhere. And
with b John Robinson who only had seven point eight
yards of carry yesterday. Granted the Giants are are awful,
but with the fal Brian Robinson Jon right, I'm sorry,
Brian Robinson with the Commanders comes to town averaging seven

(45:57):
and point eight against the Giants quarter that's willing to
run and Jade Nanias ran it I think ten times
yesterday as opposed to sixteen the day before. But yeah,
I mean you talk about this was gonna be a
glaring issue had they not suffered those injuries. With those
two injuries, are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (46:14):
They ran it for four point six yards per carry
week one, right yesterday against the Giants who had a
week to understand. Jayde Daniels is not gonna throw the ball,
although yesterday Mo he was twenty three. At twenty nine,
he threw the ball much better than people realize. Yeah,
they ran it for six point one yards per carry
against the Giants yesterday. They still have Terry McLaurin, they

(46:39):
have Zach Ertz, they have Noah Brown. Austin Eckler is
again not the Austin Eckler who used to be. But
they have some formidable weapons on offense and a quarterback
who's just going to continue to get more confident coming
against a defensive line that we have no idea how
they're going to line up.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Right, Yeah, I mean you talk about on the short
list of players they could east to afford to lose, yep,
Sheldon Rankins and bj Hill. Just with what else has
happened on the defensive line?

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I asked Charlie gold Smith going into week's number one.
You've seen camp, you know, the offseason, what's your biggest concern?
And this was with them healthy, and he said defensive line. Right.
If that was, then what is it now?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
It's obviously even larger concern.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
And here's the concerning point. You went into Week one
against New England and you said, what the only way
New England stays in the game or pulls off and
upset is what running the ball. And the Bengals knew
what was coming, and the Patriots did what they want
running the ball. Right, Washington's thinking the same. Washington's now
got two games to watch and probably gonna run a

(47:44):
similar game plan and try to limit the big play
to Jamar Chase and if t Higgins can play. But
the idea of if I'm playing the Bengals right now,
ball control, run the rock, get into second third, manageables,
and let your rookie quarterback get comfortable.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Now I meant before the break. Lou Ana Rumo's explanation
for John Anthony being on the field, according to the
aforementioned Charlie Goldsmith, an Rumo says that he has earned
the ability to be in on that play. He has
shown the ability to go get the ball. He's athletic
and has shown a nose for making plays. Here's the quote, quote,

(48:20):
it would be foolish not to use him.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Okay, so he's he earned that over Mike Hilton and
Jordan Battle at this point. No, I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
He that was his sixth snap of the game. He played,
was it four? Yeah, we won against two I think
two two? So yeah, so it was that was his
eighth NFL snap.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I'm not saying he hasn't earned the earned some playing time.
I'm not saying earned a chance to be active. I'm
not saying he hasn't earned a chance to see if
he can can get a bigger role. Jermaine Burton, you know,
I mean we talked to ten snaps and see if
you can build up on it. But right there with
the game hanging in the balance.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
And then so he goes on in this to say
we'll make that call one hundred out of one hundred times.
The difference is they were so thin a dtackle that
the decision came down to a second defensive tackle and
four pass rushers are an extra dB Anna Rumo said
that he wanted fresh legs on the biggest knop of

(49:23):
the game instead of a gas pass rusher. Also talked
about the problems that the chief possessed with Kelsey and
Worthy and even said Patrick Mahomes scrambling so one, Okay,
you're thin at defensive tackle. I remember with you on
draft night two years ago with Miles Murphy getting drafted,
saying there's a chance that maybe they can find ways

(49:45):
to get all three of them in the game at
the same time. Move Sam Hubbard inside, Osai outside Hendrickson. Yeah,
would not be a much better option. Fine, because even
if the defensive tackles are gassed, they're still occupying a lane,
and they're occupying a in front of them, and now
that body can't go and double and triple team Trey Hendrickson. Right,
I'm not worried. Trey Hendrickson was fresh. Joseph Oside didn't

(50:08):
beat a one on one. Give me four, maybe even five,
and let Sam Hubbard slide inside.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
So as Dejon Anthony earned the right to be on
the field, and Jordan Battle hasn't right and Mike and Mike,
Mike Hilton's not good at playing the ball.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
I would I would disagree based on his career. I'd
rather have Mike Hilton in rushing the passer as a
fourth or fifth rusher than allowing Patrick Mahomes to do
whatever he wanted in a pocket.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
All right. So the Bengals are zero and two. Kansas
City is a very very flimsy two and oh.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
They're two and oh, but they've beaten AFC title contender Baltimore,
AFC title contender Cincinnati, and they're probably sitting back saying,
we really haven't played our best. Which is the most
frustrating piece is there are so many teams that are
finding ways to win, yeah, and we're owing two saying well,
we were close.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Well, one of those teams is one you just mentioned.
We'll run through the AFC North when we come back,
because I'm not sure the Baltimore Ravens as of today
are AFC title contenders. Ye look to that when we
come back. Seventeen after four o'clock, we're at Twin Peaks
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Speaker 1 (51:19):
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Speaker 2 (51:30):
We have the four ESPN fifteen thirty Tony and Low
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six o'clock. Bengals lose to the Chiefs twenty six to
twenty five. I mentioned this quickly. You think about Kansas City.
They're a toe away from losing to Baltimore. They're a
fourth and sixteen pass interference call away from losing to Cincinnati.

(51:53):
They're basically two inches away from being zero to two.
If you're a Kansas City fan, obviously your team is
one both of its games. Obviously you have Mahomes, Obviously
your franchise has a pedigree. They're gonna be without Isaiah Pacheku,
who reportably has a broken fibula. Your guy, Travis Kelcey
looks like a decoy right now. How concerned if you're

(52:13):
a Chiefs fan, are you about just how they've played
and how they've gotten those two victories?

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Not concerned? Because they have the championship pedigree, they have
Patrick Mahomes, and they still found a way to beat
two contending teams in the first two weeks of the season.
I think Travis will have a bigger role as the
season goes on, because I still think teams are giving
him attention and saying, okay, show me more consistency. Had
a Xavier Worthy and Rashi Rice right as those players do,

(52:40):
Travis gets less attention. But I'm sitting back and saying,
we stole one and we beat Baltimore by a toe,
and we're two to zero, and I'm probably sitting back
saying we haven't played our best football. And as the
season goes on, you know you're gonna get better.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Yeah, so not as.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Much, and I know we're gonna get in the AFC.
There was one other quote that lu and Aruma mentioned
that Ben Baby picked up on Jordan Battle. Remember we
went into training camp, we talked about position battles. Yeah,
and one of them was Von Bell and Jordan Battle
or Jordan Battle was one of their highest graded players
according to Pro Football Focus last year. Loueumo said today quote,

(53:17):
Battle's gonna have a role at some point for something.
Maybe it's this week. I don't know. I'm not down
on him at all. He was the primarily he was
a strong safety. Last year, Dejon Anthony was used in
dime packages. None of these quotes makes sense. No, he
was a guy battling for a starting job and you

(53:38):
chose to go to Dejon Anthony who has never played
a ball in the air in that type of situation,
like Jordan Battle did last year, or like Mike Hillton.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I'll at least doesn't make sense. I'll at least give
Lou credit for this. He knows everybody is criticizing Dejon Anthony.
Everybody's one. I do think there's something about a coach publicly. Look,
I gotta have my guys back here.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Yes, I get that.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I mean I don't want this kid's confidence to eroad.
We still need and we still think highly of them.
So let me show that I've got I'm in his corner.
But again, there's one. It's one thing to explain it,
it's another thing to just watch it unfold. You had
a guy in his eighth NFL snap on the field
in lieu of a fourth pass rusher, a promising second

(54:20):
year safety, me Jordan Bella you met eighty.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Two point five focus great as a rookie, and my
eighty two point five and Mike Hilton not in the game,
and Sam Hubbard, who when you drafted Miles Murphy Luis
Rumo said, well, we got to play. We might be
able to slide Sam inside and use three rushers. Why
can't he be in there on the last player. I
don't care if they're tired or not. I don't care
if it's Luis to Rubo in the game rushing, you

(54:42):
clog up a lane, and you clog up a blocker,
and you let Trey Hendrickson go off on the edge.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
We were just talking about this off here. Trey Hendrickson
was their best player defensively yesterday.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
I don't remember many games where a defensive player with
eleven guys on the field had more of an impact
on a game singularly than Ray Hendrickson did.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yes, he was awesome. So in basketball we always talk
about like give the ball to your best player, let
it go through him, let him decide whether he passes,
shoots or whatever. Ball's going to our best player. Why
would you not say, you know what, Trey, go win
the game. And so we're gonna do what we can
to get you isolated on the edge and you do
what you've been doing all game long.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
That would have been like the bulls given it the
Bill Wennington back in the day, right Luke Longley. Right,
they use Jordan as a decoy here, right, And the
kicker of it all b you have a fourth and
sixteen and the guy that Trey Hendrickson was going up
against just got called for holding. He knows already he
can't block him, right, he knows he's in trouble, right,

(55:41):
because he's gonna pin his ears back. Is he gonna
speed rush?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Mean?

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Is he gonna bull rush? Means he gonna set up
a move? Is he gonna spin move? He had no
clue what was coming, and you make it so easy
because you give him help on his left hand, is right?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Would you ever take an offensive player and invite a
triple team right with the game hanging in the balance,
would you ever say, hey, let's do this, Yeah, let's
put Jamal Aren't in a spot where three guys can
cover him. Right, But you did that on defense yesterday.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
That would be like lining Jamar Chase up and handing
them the ball off. Yeah, with the game on the line. Yeah,
instead of slowing him out wide right and letting him
catch a pass.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
It doesn't make any sense. I mean like it made
no sense watching it. It made less sense talking with
you a little bit last night via text. It makes
even less sense now, it makes even less sense reading
lose explanation.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
And you know it's bad because we make it a
point not to talk before the Tony and Moshew and
we had to talk about that last night.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, And the thing is what's puzzling about it is
it comes from a guy who I think is a
great defensive coordinated.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Oh, the game played itself was great. Homes had one
hundred and fifty one passing yards, Kelsey had one catch, right,
I mean, yeah, you were getting run on the ground.
Game was a problem. But you know Cam Taylor Britt
talks and then he backs it up. You played great
and and you have that blunder at the end.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
All right, let's bounce around the AFC North a little bit.
Baltimore for the ninth time under John Hardball and otherwise
terrific coach. For the ninth time. They blow a double
digit fourth quarter lead, this time at home to the
Las Vegas.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Raiders tangles starting h to two. Is the Ravens essentially
with a ten point lead. Maddening. It's maddening, And to me,
there's more questions because you lose a Mike McDonald on
the defensive side of the ball, who was very crucial, terrific.
And then you bring in Derrick Henry, but it doesn't
feel like they're using Derrick Henry like Dereck Henry has

(57:27):
talked about, I'm good out of like the under center stuff.
Lamar doesn't want to go under center. It's a weird
pairing there. Lamar hasn't looked great. Mark Andrews looked like
a shell of himself. It's just it's it's a weird
feel around Baltimore and oh, by the way, Dallas, Buffalo, Cincinnati.
What about them coming here one in three or zero

(57:48):
to four in a couple weeks and the Bengals haven't
a chance at a knockout blow.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Bill Barnwell of ESPN, whose work I think we both enjoy,
takes the nine to zero to two teams and ranks
them one three, nine in terms of who's most likely
to make the playoffs. Cincinnati number one, Baltimore number two.
But I'll be honest with you, based on what I've
watched and based on what you just mentioned, the schedules
in front of him, I think there's a little bit
of a gap between one and two.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Yeah, I'm all right, that's a bigger gap.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
The Browns win. The offense was better, Deshaun Watson didn't
turn the ball over. Also didn't get sued yesterday, which
is kind of nice when they still committed thirteen penalties.
They've had twenty four through two games. Cleveland is now
one and one.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
You want this take, I would take Bryce Young right
now over Deshaun Watson. I have never watched a quarterback
in my life that looks as lost as Deshaun Watson does. Yeah,
he has no idea what he's looking at on the
other side of the field. Now, the scary part about
Cleveland really good defense still did whatever they wanted against

(58:51):
Jacksonville has been a letdown early in the season as well.
Dominated that team up front. Outside of a couple big plays,
they still have a ton of weapons. They're gonna get
chubbed back Jerome Ford, they can run the ball and
Joku's gonna get like. They have the weapons. I would
legit take Bryce Young over Deshaun Watson. But they's still
a dangerous team to me.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
They're dangerous because of their defense.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
And they're running game. If they got to throw the
ball it's like, yeah, no, no worries.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
How much stuck do you put into Pittsburgh being two.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
And on drives me nuts, man. And it's the same
thing every single year. You know, we we sit here
and it's like, well, we played better and we're close,
and you know it's not a bat. We're zering too
in Cincinnati and Pittsburgh has scored one touchdown in two
games and they're.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Two and zero, both on the road.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Somehow, some way, Mike Tomlin year in and year out,
finds a way and they're gonna get better. They got
a new offensive coordinator. They don't really know where they're
gonna do it quarterback yet. But at the root of
it all, it's still a really good defense who I
guarantee would not let TJ. Watt get triple team don
the last nap.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Of all right, here's my take on that. Now we
all know Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Is of course, he's never had a losing season's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
To have one this year. I'll double down on that.
The NFL handed them two victories.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Second half of their on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Look at their yeah, exactly, look at the back end
of their schedule. It's ridiculous. They don't play an AFC
North team I think till week ten or eleven, and
so yeah, fine, they beat bo Nicks and they beat
the Kirk Cousins, and it should be time for the
Michael Pennocks era to start already in Atlanta. I am
not putting any stock. Pittsburgh is still, for my money,
going to finish in last place. Real, They're still going

(01:00:28):
to finish with a losing record.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
See I would I'm higher on Pittsburgh right now than
I am Cleveland. Okay, just because of I'm that down
on desha Watson. Who does Pittsburgh have coming up in
the in the short term.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
We'll get to that when we come back. Twin Peaks
in Florence, Tony and Moe Football Show, we'll bang on
the Steelers a little bit, which is always fun. Here
till six o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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that stood out for me. One fifty one Patrick Mahomes,
excuse me head, one hundred and fifty one passing yards
his second lowest passing yardage total ever. Yeah, he threw

(01:02:31):
for one fifty one. Kansas City rant it for one
nine four point seven a pop, and quite frankly felt
like more.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Yeah, and we alluded to this. Now you bring in
a team in Washington, Brian Robinson, Jade and Daniels. They
just ran it for over six yards of carry against
the Giants. They have weapons to throw it to. But
if you're Washington, you watch Washington, you watch New England
Week one. They said, Okay, ball control, run the rock,

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get into second, manageable third and short from our rookie quarterback.
That is the recipe. And right now we don't know
who's gonna play defensive line for the Bengals. That is
a problem. And I mean, how many I'd be interested
to look how many games has Kansasity played under Mahomes
where they've ran it seven or more times and they've
thrown it Mahomest Dowar twenty five times. Yesterday they ran

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at thirty two. Yeah, what's that tell you? Right, all
the Kelsey and mah all those weapons you want to
talk about, Worthy Rice, they chose to run it seven
more times than give it to Patrick Mahomes because they
felt that confident going against that Bengals front, which the
New England Patriots did as well with Ramandre Stevenson.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, it just we said it during camp before Chris
Jenkins got hurt, before we knew for a fact they
would start the season without McKinley Jackson. Before obviously what
happened with the two defensive tackles. Yesterday, when the defensive
line room was whole, we said, this team's still gonna
have issues stopping them. That's gonna be a liability. They've

(01:03:59):
got to do a better job stopping the explosive plays.
If we knew that, If we thought that in early August,
we know it now in mid September. So it's gonna
it's gonna be something they have to work around the
rest of the season. They're gonna have to win in
spite of their bad rushing defense.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Yeah, I mean, we the question we continue to ask,
have they done enough on the front to address the problem.
And you grab Sheldon Rankins, you draft Chris Jenkins, and
you think, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Sheild Rankin's not a great run stopper to begin.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
He's not, which was weird in itself, and they continue
to get beat on the run. It doesn't feel like
Joseph Osi is great against the run. Sam Hubbard is
supposed to be. Yeah, it's a My concern is teams
in order to try to neutralize Trey Hendrickson now just
say we're gonna run it straight at him and we're
gonna try to neutralize him that way and just make

(01:04:46):
him deal with two blockers the whole game and wear
him down. And then outside of that, who are you
concerned right now with on the Bengals front line If
Trey Hendrickson is fatigued or being neutralized, who are.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
You Well, the answer was supposed to be Miles Murphy. Yeah,
and it's not right now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Right obviously, And you hope that it's him when he
comes back, sure, but it's not a guarantee, right, Yeah.
I mean it's an issue getting getting you're gonna go
up against teams that want to run the rock, Yeah,
getting the A. I mean we talked about the AFC
North last segment Cleveland Pittsburgh, Baltimore are all going to
build their foundations on running the ball, and that right
now is the glaring weakness of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Getting back to what we talked about before the break,
we were talking about the AOFC. North and he asked
about Pittsburgh. So home this week for the Chargers at Indy,
home for Dallas in Vegas are their next.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Four Wait, and he's a disappointing team right now. Yeah,
they go to Green Bay without Jordan Low, lose to Malik.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Willis, lose to Milk will So I think through two
forward passes in the first quarter.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Anthony Richardson looks like he's not taken a year or
two jump. But I know the second half of the
schedule for the Steelers as a gauntlet. In the first half,
they still have Washingtons, the Jets, the Raiders, the Colts,
Cowboys and Chargers on the schedule.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah, they they back ended, though I mentioned like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
They're AFC North, Chiefs, Ravens, Eagles. I mean, yeah, they're
back in a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Tough Ravens, Browns, Bengals, Browns Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Yeah, good luck. Yeah, but by then you expect Russell
Wilson or fields to at least be a little more
comfortable in that offense. Yah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Sure, look credit to them for winning games. They're in
first place. Good for them.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
There are teams winning in the NFL despite either being
outplayed or not having good ross.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
But Minnesota, I felt like, yeah, I felt like watching
Pittsburgh Denver yesterday was more about the deficiencies of Denver's
offense and bonis sure more than anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
But I also thought that in Week one when they
played Atlanta, because like there's Bijeon and Pitt's and London
and they and I know cousins in himself right now,
but that didn't look good from their standpoint. So there
there is a there's an underlying theme in the AFC
North three good defenses and teams that want to run

(01:07:03):
the ball. That's what the Bengals are up against. And
right now they're terrible against the run.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
All Right, I want to talk about the next four
for Cincinnati, So home this coming week for Washington on
the road.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Against Carolina place to play.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
There will be forty five thousand Bengals fans there that
Panthers team might best case go two and fifteen again. Yeah,
Baltimore here, then they go to Jersey to play a
really bad Giants team. They're gonna play two of the
worst four teams in the NFL. YEP, over the course
of the next four weeks, plus the Commanders, who you're
getting I think at close to the right time, and

(01:07:40):
then Baltimore Huso in two.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
If you're not three and three, you're in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Three and three is worse case.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Yeah, that's worst case.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
That's worse.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Three and one over the next.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Four is they they're touchdown and a touchdown and a
hook favorites this week they're gonna be big favorites. Against
Carolina they'll be favorites, and home against Baltimore, they'll be
big favorites. In New Jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
YEP, it's gonna mean it's a Ravens game for it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Is the team yesterday that you saw gonna win each
of those next four.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
They'll win three out of the four. Yeah, they still
need to play better to be Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
It's hard to win fourst rate games in the NFL
when you're really really good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
And it's the North, like I I it's it's a
two opponents that know each other. I just I'm more
concerned in all honesty this week in Baltimore, because both
of those teams I know can run the ball or
will build their foundation on running the ball. By then.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
I worry about this week from the standpoint and running
the football and just not knowing who's gonna play defensive tackle.
There's a lot of unknowns, and you know, we still
don't know when T. Higgins is gonna play. And there's
something else that I don't know about this offense that
I want to bring up. Coming up at five oh five,
we're at Twin Peaks in Florence. Quarter to five. Brendanman
and Jones on baseball is coming up. We are here

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Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
This is Tyler Lange.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
We're all talking about a week ago. We're not talking
so much about it now. We'll do that coming up
at five oh five. Jamar Chase had an interesting game yesterday.
I'm less interested in the temper tantrum and more interested
in how do they get them going. I'll ask Tony
how they do that, And of course we haven't touched
much on college football. Will do that in the five
o'clock hour as well. We have an hour to go

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Bengals lose to the Chiefs twenty six to twenty five
in Arrowheads, Cincinnati, oh and two for a third consecutive year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
And we also get to this point, MOO, where we
start into the Twin Peaks season. And I always relish
these opportunities to get into the third hour because as
the season will wear on, we'll be doing our three
in the pitch blackoutside. And right now it's still bright. Outside,
the sun is shining.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Gorgeous out, windows are open. You just had the Bengals won. Guy,
had they finished the game on fourth and sixteen. Can
you imagine with the great weather, how we'd all be
feeling right now? No? Awesome, be incredible? Is this oh
and two different than last year's zero and two or
THEH and two in twenty twenty two?

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
Uh no, anyway you slice it for me or H
and two? Now the other ones? You had questions on
Borrow's calf, there are still questions. You know, I want
to see him rip a ball twenty five yards down
the middle of the field. I still want to see that.
But I still have questions. This year, I've Jamar Chase
questions because he didn't practice all training camp, and then
he was pretty much a non factor in Week one,

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and then week two he talked about the AFC still
runs through Cincinnati. He was targeted five times, really much
as a decoy. So while the questions are different, I
wonder about Jamar Chase. Tee Higgins has to stay healthy.
The running back distribution is bizarre, and the offensive line
hasn't been good enough, so to me, there's still questions

(01:12:30):
and whether you slice it. However, you wont oh and
two zero and two. You lost twice.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
So there are a lot of folks who watched Joe
yesterday and said he's answered the questions about his wrist.
You would not concur, not one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
I thought he looked much more comfortable in the pocket
early in the game. I thought he hit kind of
his arm on the helmet on a throw, he braced
his fall falling down. That's a good check mark. But
he's put the ball on the ground through the first
two games. Is that a grip question? I don't know. Uh,
is it list with the ball? His footwork seemed better.
You saw the increased strength when he carried the defender

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on the third down yesterday and kind of stood up
and started to feel shod about himself. Yeah, but I'm
talking about like the three step drop opposite hash fifteen
yard comeback that you got a zip. I haven't seen
that yet. Everything has been kind of that level two
over the defense lay it in the arms of the
receiver that way kind of the ball he dropped, that's

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still not a zip. He hasn't been asked to do
that yet. But if I'm a defensive coordinator, and I
watched the first two games. One of the things eventually
I'm gonna say is show me, show me you can
do it now. Outside of that, I thought he checked
every box. He hit Burton down the sideline for a
forty seven yard game, He moved in the pocket, he
extended plays, but the extended play to Trent Irwin where

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he put more zip on the ball, the ball fluttered.
Trent Nerwin looked like he didn't know where the ball
was gonna go. It hit him right in the face mask. Yeah,
I thought he missed GASICKI when he really had to
kind of put something on it, like, yeah, you do,
But it looked like the ball was just moving so much.
I had no idea where I was gonna go. So
there are still some questions, but the jump from week
one to week two substantial for me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
With Joe Burrow, you mentioned Jamar Chase, and there's the
temper tansion that he throws late in the game that
we can talk about it just I watched him yesterday
and it just still feels like they're allowing the defense
to dictate what they're going to do and what they're
not gonna do. With Jamar Chase, and that's frustrating.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Yeah, we've had the conversation, I think for three or
four years now. You know, Week one, Joe Burrow said, well,
we did a good job of taking what the defense
gave us, and I just I hate the answer. I
hate that response because it essentially says, whatever the defense does,
we really don't have the answer, We'll just take it.
That's what That's what it sounds like to me. You know,
if you're a defensive coordinator, Moan, you're playing the Minnesota

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Viking two, do you have to take away justin Jefferson.
If you're a defensive coordinator you play the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Ceedee lamb.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
No, they don't have much else, right, Like, both those
teams are depleted talent wise Tyreek Hill for the Miami Dolphins,
But there are answers. And I know that when you
are double teamed every play, you're not gonna get fifteen targets.
But in the targets you saw to Jamar Chase yesterday,
do you remember one that was over twelve to fifteen yards? No,

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and everything was underneath.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I also like they had a game last year Week
three against the Rams they had to win, right, So
they're owing to Joe, isn't quite where he needs to be.
And if I recall, like Jamar had a great game
and it was we're we're not yet to the point
that he can beat teams downfield. We're gonna figure out
ways to get him the ball where he can then
make a play with his legs.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
It's the same thing we complained about with the Patriots game,
that there are completions but no real opportunity for anybody
to turn up field to make a play. And I
think that's happening with Jamar. And so, like my big
question offensively moving forward, Let's assume they don't have t
Higgins again on Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Maybe they will, hopefully they do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
They could certainly use them, but how do you how
do you come up with more ways to make Jamar
a bigger part of what they do and take advantage
of what we all believe he can do.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
I'd like to see him more in different formations. I'd
like to see him out of a bunch to kind
of take away the ability to send two at him
right away. I think you use him in the backfield
a couple of times. You can either pitch it to
him or you could use him in that jet sweet motion.
I'd like to see him more singled up into the boundary,
more to where if you're gonna send two to the boundary,
then your numbers to the field are so lucrative that

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you have to take it. And at the end you've
got to fall back to the mentality of fet Jamar's
down there somewhere that is gonna way. When did that
mentality stop? He would throw it into double covers at
times because he knew that's Jamar Chase. And you know,
I think you could see it yesterday Jamar by no
mean four catches for thirty some odd yards. It felt

(01:16:47):
like he wanted to get going. He's getting up and
he's flexing, and he's flashing the first down like that's
the guy I want to get the ball to. And
they go away from it. And yes, there's a point
to take what the defense gives you. But if you're
Steve Spagnoliamo and you look at the game and the
box score, you say, man, those three Bengal tight ends

(01:17:08):
got us for one hundred and fifty one, or Jamar
Chase got you for one hundred and fifty one. Which
one do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
The tight ends.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Yeah, it's less explosive, right, So that's a win for
defensive coordinators. You are taking it easy on opposing defenses,
and at the same time, you're gonna start to see
more and more of what you saw yesterday. Frustration start
to build and you're really mad about the tackle, but
you're also frustrated about everything else that's going on, and
it erupts.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
So the Jamar thing right, his first ever game against
the Chiefs, he plays legitimately the greatest game I've ever
seen a wide receiver play eleven for two sixty six
and three touchdowns. Go watch that game. It's easy to
find on YouTube. It's not just a guy catching a
lot of passes, it's not just a guy piling up
a lot of yards. It's degree of difficulty, which is

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why latest game I've ever seen a wide receiver play,
and it was degree difficulty on like third and long,
where you knew they were coming to him and he's
got two guys draped all over him. And frankly, yes,
Kansas City secondary is better now than it was back then.
But what was so great about that day was in
haf to have its situations. Joe's like, screw it. I'm

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trusting number one to make a play, and that that's gone.
It's not there right now. Maybe that's completely a function
of Joe's risk. I don't know what it is. It is,
but like when I think of the signature Jamar Chase game,
it came against Kansas City, and again, it wasn't just
a lot of catches for a lot of yards. It
was degree of difficulty, him taking the ball away from

(01:18:38):
the defender, him making a play in traffic, him going
up and getting it. And I remember watching it that day,
going dude, this is it right? And obviously Jamar since
then has had a lot of really good games and
I don't ever expect him to have a two hundred
and sixty six yard game. But yesterday, and even in
the New England game, I wanted to see that, you know,
the as you put it effort. Jamar's down there, let

(01:19:01):
him go get it. I've seen him do it before.
Why not in that game yesterday? Why not against New England?
If the quarterback is starting to feel it physically, and
he looked better yesterday, don't you give him a chance
to make one of those plays that we've seen him
make before.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Absolutely, you mentioned the Rams Monday Night game last year.
Guess how many targets do you think Jamar Chase had
thirteen fifteen? Yeah, it was insane. Twelve catches, fifteen targets,
a buck forty one and a lot of different ways.
And we went into the game saying, what they gotta
find ways to get it to him. Here we are
and here's the frustrating thing. Last year they start like

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that and the third game it's a must win. Last
year we're talking about it and man, it's got to
be different next year. And all off season, in all
preseason camp, Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow say what we're
approaching this offseason different because we have to start faster
and worth here talking after week two, the same talking

(01:19:58):
points that we had last year. Right, Joe Burrow's health
was a talking point last year. Jamar Chase usage was
a talking point last year. Fifteen times they used him
on that game against the Rams to target him and
say we got to go to him. They only scored
nineteen in the game. They had one touchdown was Joe Mixon.
The rest were field goals, but they made the effort.
I just hate that it gets to the point where

(01:20:20):
they're zero to two and the backs are against the
wall before you realize, you know what, that dude's one
of the best players in the NFL. Let's feed him fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Now, how much of that is influenced by not having
Tea out there.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Yeah a little bit. But at the same time, you
still have what we were told better weapons Yoshi vosh
Erwin Burton, the tight ends, the multiple tight ends. You
can run out there even if t is out there,
see one hundred percent ready to go out there. Probably not,
But that to me is not a rebuttal to why
Jamar Chase wouldn't get fifteen targets. And you can look

(01:20:51):
at that game last year, fifteen targets for Jamar Chase.
Take a guest on Higgins.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Six four.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
Okay, so it is different, and maybe Higgins is drawing
more attention. Sure, but they targeted Higgins four. They made
it a point to get Jamar Chase fifteen targets.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Also, correct me if I'm wrong. Higgins early last season
wasn't himself. No, the first two games, absolutely not limping
around the Cleveland game and then I've dropped some passes
if I'm not mistake right, they felt nothing felt right
with him, so I don't know. I mean, just to
me a quarterback. We hear a lot about Jamar and Joe.
They're great chemistry, which goes back to their time in college.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
And I just I haven't seen it every year we
have the same conversation, Well, now that they're owing two,
they better start doing what targeting your best. Can't let
the defense dictate what you're gonna do all the time.
And here we are talking about that again in our
three of the Tony and Moe Football Show, as the
Bengals are zero and two. Yeah, go target him twelve times,

(01:21:47):
use him in the backfield. He's your best player. He's
your best player. Just took out a fifty dollars, fifty
million dollars insurance policy on himself. You if for any
reason that to mentally get him back in it. I've
I've dealt with a lot of wide receivers, right, and
there's wide receivers that are always open. And there are times,

(01:22:08):
and I know we've talked about this numerous times or
on the sidelines in between the series, you just have
to say, we got to find a way to get
him touches. What is that conversation happening? Because You can
say Jamar Chase was upset about the what he thought
was a hip drop tackle. There's about ten other things
Jamar Chase is upset with, and I would say one
of those is the fact that he was targeted five

(01:22:29):
times in the game for thirty plus yards.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Him throwing a temper tantrum and throwing his helmet was
not merely a function of the ref not calling the
hip drop correct so much more that may have triggered it,
That may have been the ignition, but that to me
was that was an accumulation of things that boiled over yesterday.
Ye at the worst possible.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
There are underlying issues there, Yeah, and those issues grow
the more you lose, the more he doesn't become involved. Alright,
We've talked about winning all the time, and Zach Taylor,
We've give him credit for culture all the time. It's
also easier to build the culture when you're going to
the Super Bowl and you're going to back to back
AFC title games. That culture gets tested when you have

(01:23:13):
a player that was openly upset. You know that that
Trey Hendrickson wanted out at one point. Tee Higgins is
on the franchise tag probably not happy you lose, and
someone called in today made a good point. This team
last year in tense situations, say what you want about him.
Felt like Joe Mixon kept things loose, kept things. You know,
he's having fun, he's upbeat on the sidelines. Tyler Boyd,

(01:23:36):
those guys aren't here. Yeah, and there was a sense
of tightness. I thought, when you watch that team and
things kind of boil over in that moment where Jamar
Chase loses his mind, you didn't see that in the
last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
And you talked about frustrations. So a lot of people
remarked that that's the most frustrated we've seen Joe. After
the game, I would agree. Also, there was a point
in the game yesterday where they have to call a
time out and Joe is anime. Yeah, he's animated.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
They use the timeout on the first drive of the game,
and they use the timeout coming out of a measurement.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Out of a measurement, that's right. I think Burton had
just come in and Burrow looks over at the sideline,
and I've not seen him look over toward the sideline
and do that before. No, you know, I mean, this
wasn't a man we've got the wrong play, wrong personnel,
tie him out. I mean he was he was pissed
at someone, and so it just you compare this so

(01:24:27):
and to the last year to the year before, it
feels like there's more frustration with this one. It already
doesn't mean they can't take out of it, which I
think they will, but it does feel like there's a
little bit more just built in frustration among some of
the most important players.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Well, the fourth place schedule helps, sure, but you know,
I'm looking at the sign one yes day, Jamar Chase
takes his helmet off, slams his helmet, He's in Zach
Taylor's face. That field goal goes in. Joe Burrow launches
his helmet, slams it on the ground. They know there's
still fifteen left, but they knew that when yesterday was
important and they didn't get that one, and they're three

(01:25:00):
back now the Kansas City Chiefs because of that heads up, Yeah,
and everything that the off season was made of is gone. Right.
Winning the AFC, having the home game because you got
to start faster. You get Kansas City Week two and
here they are zero and two again. That's frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Yeah, the whole off season was about avoid the oh
and two? Right, I mean, it was the entire theme
of the off season. You and I spent countless hours
on it, avoid the oh and two, and they were
a fourths and sixteen away from being able to and
they go.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
You and I said, all off season, four and two
is the worst huh? Five and one a legit possibility?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
I think, I said likelihood?

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Yes, And here what are we talking about now? Now
you've got to win four or at worst case three
and one. Right, and again, yesterday stings. It hurts a
hell of a lot more because of Week one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
That's the thing. I mean, you know, the game ended yesterday.
My first thought was, okay, they were six point dogs,
five and a half point dogs most of us coming
into the season. If we didn't chalk it up as
a loss at a loss was likely. You were not
supposed to loosen home to the Patriots. And this would
be a lot easier to absorb if you're one in
one instead of going two.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
And you now worry when the next loss comes, where
the frustrations boil at that point and if it's one
of the next couple games, they're going to be high. Well,
I just wonder this is the window.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Look, they're sure there are seven and a half point
favored against the Commanders, they're at home. If Washington hangs
around and if the offense isn't clicking, is there a
moment where things boil over again and cost him a
game that they should win. It cost him a game
they should win. They should have won the game yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Is it a must win Monday?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Absolutely? You can't start a win three correct If the
idea is to win the title, which we think they
can win the title this year, take advantage of a
Baltimore team that has stumbled out of the gate. When
your division get the highest possible seed, do you want
to use the month of October just to get back
to five hundred? I said, I think. And you could say, well,
look they bounce back from zero to two two years ago,

(01:27:03):
which they did. They also had in their last eight games. Yeah,
that's going to be really hard to duplicate.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
I said going into this week it was the most
important and biggest must win you could have in college football.
For UC. This is the biggest must win you could
have for Week three of the NFL season.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
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Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Can I give you an insane statistic that I just
saw from Joe Goodberry. Yeah, please let me get your
initial thoughts. Bengals defensive line pass rush win percentage through
two weeks Trey Hendrickson twenty nine point two. Pretty good.
Any guess who number two on that list.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Is just among defensive linemen? Yep is it Rankins?

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
Sheldon Rankins nine point one percent. Here's where it gets bad.
Sam Hubbard six point five percent, BJ Hill six point
one percent. Listen to this. Joseph Osai, Zach Carter, J
two Failey kJ Henry zero point zero percent win rate. Oh,
they've yet to win a pass rush rep. Osai, Carter two, Failey,

(01:28:53):
kJ Henry.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
I mean that is alarming from a statistical standpoint. Worse
than alarming, it's staggering.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
What's amazing? As you were reading those, these are twenty
twenty four numbers. I'm looking at NFL team pass rush
win rate. Cincinnati's at fifty four fifty four percent, which
is fifth best. Yeah, all on the shoulders of one guy. Yes,
and that's a problem. Week one, that was the number.

(01:29:28):
It was Hendrickson statistically dominant, but their sack rate was
so low because no one else was winning. So Hendrickson
is dominating, but the other three aren't pulling their weight.
And quarterbacks can just move around the pocket. I mean,
Jacoby Brissett was able to move around the pocket zero
point zero.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
Percent for joseoh Osai through two games getting snapped because
Miles Murphy's not in.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
So I'm looking at the top. I guess this would
be the top twenty edge players in pass rush win rate.
Trey Hendrickson has been double teamed more frequently than everybody
except for Chase Young. Wow, twenty percent of the time
and he's still winning. What did you say? Forty four?

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
Yeah? Down time? Unbelievable, Wow, unbelievable. I mean that is
that's one of the more staggering numbers we've ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Just I gloss through this here. Do you know who's
currently among defensive tackles tied for seventh pass rush win rate?
Who remember Andrew Billings? Oh my gosh, unbelievable, who has
bounced around since leaving Cincinnati. Is in a second year
with the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
That's it. Bears defensive line look good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Yeah, but it comes back to what we talked about
kind of toward the end of the second hour early
in the show, the play the fourth and sixteen. Yeah,
as much as everybody wants to blame the rafts, and
it's as much as there's a lot of focus on
John Anthony and understandably so, you didn't give your best
player on the field yesterday, at least on defense, a
chance to win the game in Trey Hendrickson. By rushing

(01:31:08):
only three.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
And the two that you lined him up with, which
is even more bizarre, are Joseph Osai and Zach Carter
who have won zero pass rush reps. That's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
I mean, Joseph Osai, this is year four right, right.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
This was supposed to be it. That's staggering to me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Five on ESPN fifteen thirty twin Peaks in Florence.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
They've wasted two of the best individual games you could
get from a defensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Yeah, wasted him. Tray has been awesome. Yeah, Trey yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
And now if you're an opposing offense and you're Washington,
how do you not send help to him every single rep?
Right and say you say the same thing that you
would against an offense like the Chiefs. Let anybody beat
us except Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Yeah, I mean to me, it's a guy piling up
a lot of sacks. But it's also watching when you're
seeing a tackle an offensive lineman resort to blaytant holding
and when you see you know, years ago, the Bengals
played coincidentally in Kansas City and Jared Allen was so
dominant that they bench Levi Jones and watching what happened
yesterday with Kansas City having to make a change on

(01:32:20):
the offensive line kind of reminded me of that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
Yeah, I just, I mean, and the great thing like
on that fourth and sixth when they called the holding,
they flashed to the starter on the side on his seat,
he told you not just me unblockable, right, unblockable, and
then you allowed him to be blocked by three.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Yeah, I mean. The comparison we used before you could
buy it, not buy it was when you decide to
rush only three, you're inviting a triple team, which you
would never do on offense. You would never invite a
triple team to your best player on offense. No, and
you just let him do it, and you invited it,
you encouraged it. I just it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
I'm sent from a former quarter back standpoint. If I
was facing fourth and sixteen one percent of the time,
I would rather face a three man rush than a
five because I knew at least I had time to
move around.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
It's the same logic that teams now uli like those
hal Marry situations will bring four or five.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
Let's just get to him before he can move around, Yeah,
and take away the option right as a quarterback. Show
me three one hundred percent of the time and I'm happy.

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Next pair cuts one, so yes.

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Stoop's just punted again. He just punted the ball.

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(01:34:24):
about that it did not come easy. No, did not
come easy. And there were a number of moments during
that game that kind of felt like the week before,
or it felt like the Bearcats were leaving the door
open or failing to close out the game, but they
come away with a badly needed victory. Scott Sadderfield needed
that team needed that. I think the fan base needed

(01:34:46):
that Cats win. The victory. Bell in Oxford.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
Stings a little bit more from Pitt because it now
it feels like this team's one quarter, one bad quarter
away from being undefeated if you take away the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (01:34:58):
They played really well for two and a half quarters
of pit and they did some good things on offense
against Miami. I like the play of Brendan Soarsby so far,
David Henderson has a ten catch game. Joe Royer had
one of the more dominating slash weird stat lines ever
because he scores the touchdown and then he fumbles going
into the end zone, which obviously you don't want to

(01:35:18):
reach out, but he's right giving it everything he's got,
and then he has an eighty yard unbelievable touchdown catch
that gets called back. But Royor is an NFL player,
and you see what they're able to do when they
wear a team down. As the game goes on, Prior
finds the opening late kiner goes up over one hundred.
They're running offense is fantastic. They did they did stop

(01:35:40):
Miami's rushing game and made them more one dimensional. They
just give up so many big plays defensively, it's worrisome.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
So get to that in a second. I think from
an offensive perspective, as we talk about big twelve play,
I'm really encouraged there. They have a good offensive line,
a quarterback who looks the part, and then a terrific
running back in Corey Kiner, an NFL tight end, and
Joe Royer had a very good and accomplished wide receiver
in Xavier Henderson.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
And oh, by the way, they find a kicker who
makes two kicks over fifty yards Ethan Hawks out of
how did he not win the battle?

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
For those who don't know, he was at Wittenberg. Yeah,
and in his two years at Wittenberg attempt at a
grand total of four field goals.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
The first time he's brought out onto the field is
for UC's first offensive drive. He bangs home a fifty
five yarder tied for second longest in school history.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Then up eight with a chance to seal the game,
they have a choice. They can punt, They could put
the offense out there and go forward on fourth and three,
or have Nathan Hawks try another fifty plus yard field goal.
That's what they do. He bangs it through with these.
They win the game by.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Eleven, but it would have been good from sixty plus.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
I wanted UC to keep the offensive field.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
Unbelievable, how like it shifts from being a disaster to
al weapon in a game. Yeah, the punt return team
picks up the botch snap. They were great in coverage
all day. I'm very encouraging signs. I thought from UC,
Now can they can they cut down the big plays?
And they can? Can they find any consistency getting after
a passer with just three doesn't worry for me? Yea

(01:37:16):
and Houston comes in dominated. Rice lost to Oklahoma by
four at Oklahoma's I don't care if Oklahoma's upper like
that's that's tough to do. But now I think five
and a half point favorites in the Big twelve opener.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
I don't know that this is a defense that you
can protect leads with. No. Oh, it's scary because I
watched Pitt and then I watched on two drives on
Saturday where U see's up by two touchdowns and maybe
not a chance to put the game away.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
But put yourself in really feels like you're a stop away.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
You're a stop away, and in both instances, combined with
what we saw from Pittsburgh, they just Miami just moved
down the field with ease. Bret Gabbert, you're talking about
taking what the defense gives you. You're still dropping eight
guys essentially. It just it has felt too easy. Yeah,
and they were better against the run. Good for him.

(01:38:06):
Miami's not a great running team. But I just I've
watched this defense try to put games away the last
two weeks and they haven't completely been able to do that.
That'd be fair. They did have the consecutive three and ounce.
Eric Phillips had a big sack on the second one
of those, but on two different occasions, and it just
looked really easy. Yep for the opposing offense.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
Doesn't get easier for Miami. Heading to Notre Dame, they
were a seven and a half point favorite against Purduham
on sixty six to seven.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Yeah, that game was over early.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
I know that Mark stoops the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
All right, let's talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
Did you see what he said? Yeay, double down on it, said,
we are not built for driving down the field against
Georgia in predictable pass situations by punting the ball away.
Even if you got the ball back, what would you
have been in predictable pass situations? Not ideal?

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Mark Stoops so fourth and eight at midfield, railing by
one with just over three minutes to go, he punts.
They do get the ball back with fourteen seconds remaining
their last drive before the first half. They did nothing
but run the ball and played for a field goal
while up three. Instead of trying to go up two scores,

(01:39:17):
they played for a field goal. On their first drive
of the second half. They called a run play on
third and eight from the Georgia twenty eight. It is
like there's conservative play calling and your defense is playing.
It's hard out. You've got the top ranked team in
the country in your building, Go win the football game.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
YEP, brutal approach.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Kirby Smart and every Georgia fan I know should send
Mark Stoops a gift basket or something.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Hopefully they send it by mail and not asking one
of their players to drive it there because he'd probably
get a ticket for going over.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Yeah. Probably, we discouraged driving over on a hundred miles
an hour here, not a Georgia.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
In the Bluegrass State, not in Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
I just but if you're a Kentucky fan, Mark Stoops
has done a lot of really, really nice things at UK. Yeah,
that was not his finest hour. His team was ready
to go. They played hard, defensively, they were terrific. Can
can can you imagine if I'm a Kentucky fan and
my coach is aggressive and we lose that game the

(01:40:13):
way they did. I can handle that. I go to
bed Saturday night just frustrated beyond believe talking about that
missed opportunity.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
One thing we didn't mention we might have talked about earlier.
Kudos for those that say rivalry is dead it doesn't
mean anything. Saturday at Miami, it felt like it meant something.
It did to the fans and to both of those sidelines.
That was an awesome atmosphere. Yes, you and I have
both been to Yeager Stadium a lot. Let's face it,
it's a program that just has a hard time drawing.

(01:40:40):
I've been to a lot of Victory Bell games. I've
never seen more recruits on a sideline before gave.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
It was hot and so a lot of people didn't
stick around deep into the second half, but the atmosphere
right after kickoff was incredibly You're right. I mean, I
think you could feel it from a UC perspective during
the week, and I hate that it took losing the
game right to have that fear to have that feeling back.
But I also think just the language and how people
are talking about the future of the rivalry. I think

(01:41:05):
the fact that Miami felt like, God, you know what,
coming off, UC's lost to Pittsburgh. We can really smell
blood here like it. It did feel like UC players
leaned into it a lot more than they have in
quite a while.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
Yeah, which, by the way, pitt erases a deficit. Layton
scores twice against West Virginia, was awesome to win the
backyard brawl and he was terrific. Just makes you even
more pissed that you lost that game.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Before it does. How'd you feel about UC plant the flag?

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
I am okay with it because it's a rivalry game
and how they celebrated at Nippert last year and it's
the last time, at least for now, this game is
going to be played on a school field. The next
game is at pay Corps, So good plant the flag.
You own the rivalry right now, I'm good with that.

(01:41:55):
I was a little thrown off. And my first view
of Scott Sadderfield walking into the tunnel and he was
doused with water, right or gatorade? I thought it was
interested in the gatorade bath. What constitutes a gatorade bath?

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
You don't see many of those, No, in September football games,
you don't. Did Luke Fickle ever get a gatorade bath?

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
I don't know, but he needed something after that Alabama
game because his eyes were freaking me out. I don't
know what. I don't know what was happening, but his
eyes were scary.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Fickle got one after they won the conference title in
twenty one. I'm assuming he got one after they won
the conference title in twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
Okay, I don't know. Are we saying that that's that's
where it starts. I don't think he got conference title.
I don't think he got one after beating Notre Day. Yeah,
because I'm not doing it for like Bowl eligibility, but
if you win the conference.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Yeah. But here's the thing, the players did it. Okay, Yes,
so the players are caught up in the moment, which
you would expect leaned into the rivalry, and they just
had a terrible week after what happened against Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (01:42:58):
So and they circled this game all.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Right, So I'm gonna guess before the game they weren't like, Hey,
if we win, let's pour cater raid on the coach.
By the way, they asked another coach is catching a
lot of criticisms, so to a degree, maybe it shows
they have his back.

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
Yeah, I'll take that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Well, not the best look of all time, But I
don't know. I got a lot of sportsmanship lessons on
Twitter from Miami folks on Saturday because of the flag planting,
Like if you want people to lean into a rivalry,
which you see did and frankly for the first time
in quite a while, those things are a part of it.
I don't know if Miami planned the flag in Neppert

(01:43:31):
Stadium last year.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
If they did, fine, Yeah, they won the game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
The people who complain about what winners do are usually losers.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
Yeah, I have an NFL stat for you want it real?
Quite sure? You mentioned the Bengals pass rush win rate. Yeah,
Chicago's number one in football. Uh huh, number two? Washington
great coming in Monday night without kJ Henry, without kJ Henry.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
It's kJ Henry been on the field yet.

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
How big of a role is kJ Henry played this week?
And you know, giving out secrets of the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Can he play defensive tackle? Will push him inside?

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Probably could if they give him a chance. You know
what's what's better than letting him play defensive tackle is
putting him on the field to play defensive tackle as
a fourth rusher and not just having three rushers On
fourth and sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Tony is back. You're broadcasting from Pella Pella tomorrow Pella Showroom,
Huge event tomorrow to three. Very good. All right, Well,
I'm back.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
In Westchester tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Next week We're in Westchester next week, I'm at a
another establishment on the East side.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
Tat stay tuned where we'll be at Monday of next
week because we don't know. But Tuesday of next week
we'll be at Twin Peaks in Westchester.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Next next Monday, I want to broadcast from somewhere me
too close to the stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
That'd be fun. Monday night football. Yeah, be at the
heart of it all. Be great.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
H We will be at the Twin Peaks in Westchester
next Tuesday. Bengals play on Monday. We are back here
after the Baltimore game. The Monday after the Baltimore game,
and that is the seventh about right, I don't know,
but we'll be here for that. Thank the Navilla our server. Yes,
just outstanding, great all day. She kind of rolled her

(01:45:10):
eyes when I said, Hey, your name is Heaven spelled backwards,
but I thought that was pretty observant.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
But well done.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
We have to go. Thanks to Mike Mills for producing
on site, Taron Bland for producing back ken Wood. Megan
finally gets the rest. Megan, Yeah, good job's been busy
back there. Get her earbuds in listening on the app.

Speaker 4 (01:45:28):
Yeah, well you can't listen on the radio, so she's
listening on the app.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
March Doube Show is coming up next. That'll be fun.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
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