September 17, 2024 • 41 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to talk about the aftermath of the Bengals' loss to Kansas City, the big picture takeaway that's most important, the search for ren defense help, Ja'Marr Chase, stadium upgrade renderings, tight ends, the fateful fourth and 16, and Jermain Burton's touchdown catch being a moment to build on.
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I was very excited to be talking to you.
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I was in Forest Park. I was in a parking lot.
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There were just a lot of like cars parked randomly
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You know what it is, truth though, Like you said,
I mean, look, and you never know when you're gonna
need to go and do some live radio or so
or do a live podcast, and you're always prepared to broadcast,
and you were, and I appreciate you. No, that episode
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We knew going into that game. I think there's two
things we knew one of the three things we knew.
Number one, game was going to be close, it's Bengals Chiefs.
Number two, there were gonna be controversial moments during it.
It's Bengals Chiefs and it's the NFL. And number three,
there were gonna be like twenty eight different things to discuss,
a lot of different talking points. You've covered them all.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You and I touched on this a little bit today,
but the general theme in the after math of the
game was, Okay, do you take that as devastating gut
punch loss and OMG, their oh and two sky is falling,
or do you kind of look at some of the
stuff that happened in the game and it's not a
moral victory, but feel encouraged by it. Here's my encapsulation,
here's how I feel. Okay, I think they're gonna be okay,
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but they're getting a little bit too close to the fire.
I think they're gonna be okay. They've rebounded from oh
and two. The schedule in the coming weeks could not
be more forgiving. But if you keep going oh and two,
at some point you're gonna be oh to three. Yeah,
And mathematically that's just really tough to recover from.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
This, to me, the gut punch of that is still
it's still the aftershock of week one.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It is like nobody cares.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
You feel unbelievable about where the Bengals are at. If
you won the game you should have in week one, right,
and you go and you you know that's again when
you when you look at the season as a whole
and you separate it into buckets, the Chiefs are in
a very different bucket from the Patriot. It's the only
reason that the Chiefs one really hurts you is because
you lost one in the first bucket of the games
you should have won, and so that you just you
(05:07):
gotta steal one somewhere else and however you want to
look at that so in the big picture of the season,
My view on your on your in your point is
that I think that is a absolute frustrating gut punch
of a loss in December. But I think when you
are more trying to judge the direction of the team,
the ceiling, what you know, a lot of stuff that
(05:31):
looked absolutely horrendous and week one, how problematic was that
going to be for long periods of time? What's the
sustainability of whatever you're going to show? I thought they
checked all, you know, so many of those boxes on
the hard stuff, the stuff that you really care about
over the long haul.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Of this season.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
On Sunday, specifically, as it always is, Number one, Joe
Burrow looked really good and and he he threw the
ball with zip, anticipation, pocket feel, he ran, he'd all
the things that you expect to see from Joe Burrow.
You saw to make you believe, okay, And when you
have that, you're saying, man, everything's gonna and he's still
(06:15):
you know, outside of the you know, the fumble changes
of the game. I don't excuse it, but outside of that,
did everything you have to do to find a way
to beat Patrick Mahomes and and I think that makes
you believe that this team will be able to make
the playoffs. We consider their current schedule and the direction
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that they're headed and make a whole lot of noise
when they get there and be the one team that
the Chiefs know when they come to town that there's
you know, a big issue.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah. I talked to somebody in Kansas City sports talk
radio who said that was kind of the big takeaway
that when we get to January, the Bengals are still
that one team that if they come to Arrowhead Stadium,
you fred a little bit more compared to Buffalo, Baltimore, LA,
whoever it might be. And yes, I wish they would
have won, but I do think that was that was confirmed,
(07:08):
that was reaffirmed on Sunday. There's sure Now the loss
may reverberate and perhaps the Bengals have to go to
Kansas City, maybe they end up with the same record
and Bengals have to go back to Arrowhead again in
the playoffs for the third time in four years. And
if that's the case, then you look back at Week
two and there's a lot of different moments in that game.
The moments in that game for me aren't fourth and sixteen.
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And it's not Jamar Chase's meltdown, it's not the miss
pat which ended up kind of being a wash. It's
two possessions in the fourth quarter on the road with
a lead. Yep, that if they end up in Kansas,
we have right, But I mean, all right, they go back. God,
I wish they would have beaten the Chiefs and now
they gotta go back to Arrowhead and maybe they win,
and it's a mood point, but God, why they have
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to go back? And I'm gonna say because in the
fourth quarter, on two different occasions with the lead on
day where they have outplayed them, they.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Couldn't get a done punt, fumblefield goal. Yep, three possession
if you count the first. I mean those were I
mean that was with them in control. You know, you're
that fumble possession. You go back just to that one.
They are real? Are they trying to darn or put
that game away? On that drive? And it goes from
that to all of a sudden, you're now playing from
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behind on in one play and you know it that
changes everything. But you go to you know, and I
think there's real questions to be asked about. I thought
the play that I go back to, if you pick
out one play that's not one of the obvious, like
you mentioned four sixteen from whatever, the second down to yosebash,
(08:46):
that was a drop kind of a yeah, five catches
that right, and that play he's the one that's the first.
That's one of the first times, not not the only,
certainly we talked about. You know, the Patriots game is
probably different, I think because they just they.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Just needed a dude.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
When nothing was going right. They needed to throw at
the tee well, and they didn't have him to go to.
That's a different discussion. But you know that was that
game where you were like, oh, they are they missed
Higgins right there? Yea, where he that is? That is
in your sleep yet a little bit behind him, but
he's just he just you know, contorts his body and
snags it and goes down and you move and that
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is a game changing play. You are now that drive
is now moving, the clock is going all the way down.
You might that you're so close, you're one first down
or maybe two away. From knee time and victory formation
and never giving them the ball back as desperate and
fluky as fourth and sixteen was, it wasn't desperate or
(09:47):
fluky when you had to punt that you're not winning
this game because you're giving the ball once again back
to Patrick Mahomes with plenty of time and timeouts and
the field to go and just needing to go kick
a field goal, right, yea, So they were their defense
stepped up.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But you can't. You can only do that so well.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I mean, you can only your chances of victory if
he comes to that and they know it, and they
knew it, and this has happened again with you in
these games and they couldn't get that last drive done,
whether it's you know, a couple of drops there or
whatever you want to call it, that that play certainly.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Stands at him.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Maybe it's different with t and I think you see that,
you'll you know, he's probably gonna play against Washington.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But again with the.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Like just that finish, yeah, that finish against those guys
where you just need those couple extra plays that they've
gotten sometimes. They certainly did in the AFC Championship game
in twenty one but the defense kind of provided, but
they the offense did enough. The third and twelve throw
at pay Corps that finished off to it. Those are
that's along with everything else in the aggression that they had,
(10:54):
how you beat the Chiefs and they when you don't
do it and you kick it away, you get what
you get well.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And another one of those moments is on a day
where he was otherwise really good, Mike Kaseicki has a
first down drop and then two plays later is the fumble.
And maybe that still happens, but I would love to
go back in time and have him catch that pass
and then then just see how things would unfold just
on that drive. Maybe the same, maybe different, but like
(11:20):
when he fumbled it, I went, God, this this sequence
seems to me like it would be different if he
catches that pass. And you hate to harp on him
because he was otherwise excellent right and showed you some
of the stuff he can do in this offen.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I'm not sure how much of this was easy to
see on the TV broadcast, but you know in person
from the moon where we were at up in the
press box, that was the one swath of the field
that the sun was still coming through right, so everything
into the ball. It's like a hitter right when ye
when it changes from shadows, and I'm not it's it's
(11:55):
an excuse, but it was weird where where his route
ended up was three yards into the sun.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So at the right as.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It arrives, boom it's and you're looking up and he's
looking up into it coming out of the shade into
the sun right at the last second. It was a
really weird spot to be to try to catch that ball.
And again, not you got to catch the ball, whatever it's,
it's you're playing the game outdoors. But uh, that I
think that was a big part of that one because otherwise,
(12:24):
I mean, I guess sick. He's as as sure handed
a tight end as they Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And he was otherwise terrific, terrific.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
How about the fourth down? You know what a tone
setter for the day. Yeah, Well, two things.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
One, we are not sitting patiently back and punting and playing.
We are going after you on the first possession and
when we gotta have it, we're gonna go find our
tight ends, right and you're not because you're gonna think
you're gonna get us by double and Jamar well, guess what,
you're gonna get a steady diet of these guys. And
that was really the theme most of the day. Yeah,
(12:59):
obviously in the.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Do you wish that would have continued at the end
of their first drive fourth and goal They've gone for
it fourth down earlier in the drive. I can't blame
them in a game that's going to be close for
taking the points. I have a hard time with that
because you could trust your defense all you want, it's
still emotionally deflated and go down the field to start
the game and you come up with you come up empty.
(13:21):
At the same time, if you're going to coach that
aggressive early in the drive and you're on the doorstep,
it's not fourth and goal from the nine, it's fourth
and goal from the four.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
H Yeah, that's a tough one because I can't kill
them for it. No' So here's the other side of
that is all week and you know, talking to people
in the building and Zach, it is, Look, there's such
that it's been such a difference maker for this team
to just score early, to get going early, to have
(13:50):
positive drives and and that be how the game starts.
And so you I think there was a real worry
about something that happened in the Patriots game where you
have a good drive and then you get nothing out
of it, and then you have trouble getting it back,
and there's like a yeah, it's it's a little bit
more momentum based early in the game than it is
(14:11):
probably numbers based and gut based and knowing your team
and this team wanted to get out kind of play from.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Ahead a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And then that at that switch later in the game,
I mean, when they could have taken the lead and
opted instead to go for it, then it's just then
it's about the numbers and understanding what type of game
you were in. But I think at that point he
knew he was in the type of game where they
needed to get something out of Drive one, and once
they had it, they didn't want to risk giving it away.
(14:39):
It's a tough call, it is.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I have a hard time saying he got it wrong. Yeah,
but my preference there is, Dude, we've gone forward and
fourth and three close to midfield, let's do it here. Yeah,
let's let's let's do it here with Joe Burrow and
try to score seven points. And again, like I kept
thinking about it a halftime because they had outplayed him.
They had scored four of ten draw is they're up
two zero and turnovers up six points.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, And it felt like it needed to be
more and it ended up being the case.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I'm with I.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Just feel like I don't tell them well and also
you don't know, like what is you're learning off a
small sample size of the red zone and gold to
go stuff of how sticky is that gonna be down
there today? Is that gonna be tough? Like are you ever?
But at the later in the game, I think they
felt really good about their red zone plan. They'd seen
like eight million goal to go plays at that point,
(15:29):
and so you feel like you have a better feel
for what will work and the possibilities of it happening.
At that point, you're still kind of coming in blind
a little bit too, how tough red zone is gonna
be that day, and some other things that Spags could
throw at you that he's got in his pocket. Whereas
when those are eliminated a little bit more, you can
you can have a little bit better feel.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So I'm with you, like on it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
On the surface of on the surface of logic and
the numbers and beating the Chiefs. I think you can
make an obviously make a big argument for going for
it there. But I think the in where the Bengals
were kind of adding that game and in the season
and not kind of knowing, I think taking the points
I do.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Agree with that may just making some sense.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
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All right, eat burgers. That sounds good. Uh, moments were
circling in that game, and you you touched on it
in in your one of your post mortem pieces, the
Jermaine Burton play. Yeah, that's the start of something.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It has to be.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
We discussed like, all right, doesn't have Burrows trust, there's
one way you get it. You're gonna get limited opportunities,
maybe a few more without tea. It had kind of
been teased all week long, right, I geta been like
part of the dialogue last week was all right, Burton's
gonna get a shot, and when's it gonna come? Is
he gonna take advantage?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And he did, and he did I. You know, I
enjoyed the timing of it.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Okay, all of halftime to sit there and be like,
all right, first play, you're gonna go out there, You're
gonna run.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Straight to you right, like, let's start easy.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
And there was more in the playbook for inclusion, but
obviously the one thing that they knew that they would
want to do. You could play off of some stuff
that you've done earlier in the game with your formation
and what you do that would get you a one
on one going deep on the outside, do it immediately,
go right to that play.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And he made it happen, and you're right to earn.
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
The tone of the conversation about him changed last week
during the week of them of just everybody kind of
being like, you know, like he's he's coming along, You're
seeing some of the progress and the right steps that
you want to see that we feel like we can
trust him with a little bit of a package. And
that's what we said, even as all the stuff was
(18:45):
going on in the preseason, was like, they just need
to put together a small package that you can start
him with and let him prove himself there and then
expand that as many times as he warrants, and that's
what this was. That was really number play one of
that and so to get that that gives him his
first taste, you know of making a play of what
(19:08):
all that stuff during the week leads to if you
do it right and and and then Burrow to believe that,
I know that this guy can go win, he can
make a play, he'll do the right stuff, and if
that continues, you can do more.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That felt like when we look back on this game
in two and a half months or whatever, it might
be one of the biggest things that we talk about, Yeah,
is that was when they finally started to you know,
it started to click and they were able to kind
of build something the very very first brick of something
with with Jermaine Burt.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I thought it was cool on a week where he
made a lot of news that Jamar Chase came out
and talked about him.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, and not insignificant from where I said.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
No, I feel like those guys are you know, they're
they're trying and they get it. Both t and Jamar
have done this, and both Tea and Jamar went through
some pretty notable struggles early in their rookie year. Jamar's
very notable across the country, and T had a ton
(20:12):
of them too.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
They were overlooked by a lot of other things.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Burrows Camp, COVID season. There's a lot going on there,
but T really, you know, he had injury. T had
injury at that point, and he really took him a
while to get going and learn everything. And he was
playing behind guys he shouldn't have been playing behind uh
and and all of that went away for those guys
as some of the games started going and they were
(20:35):
able to earn a little bit of trust, and.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So they had them speaking.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I think they see a little bit of some of
the stuff that they went through in Germane in different ways,
but the same type of stuff where you're gonna have
a lot of adversity as you try to figure it out.
And I feel like they want to help them and
when they feel like they see things going in the
right direction, they want to, you know, prop it up
because there's probably too much going other directions.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Sometimes we do have to talk about fourth and sixteen.
We do have to talk about the distribution of touches
among the running backs. We have to talk about the
search for a defensive tackle uh and UH stadium upgrade fever.
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wrote about this extensively, and it was the first question
that I had to John Anthony. So now I'm rooting
for him to like have a game. Yeah, I didn't
like him being on the field.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I didn't like him being in the field.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Fair to question the strategy. You know, my colleague Tony
Pike has obviously hammered him for only rushing three. There
were players on the sideline that I would have preferred. Okay,
Now what I'm hoping for is he becomes, in relatively
short order known for something beyond that plane.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, and he will. I think he's earned his future,
is really right?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You know how this works.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Yeah, I know, you know how this works a lot
of times.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
This is what it is, right.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
No, I think he played really well in camp and
really opened a lot of people's eyes, and they liked
his instincts and feel and speed and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Really hard for me to be totally comfortable with a
seventh round rookie who's never really done much of anything
before to be out there in a spot that is,
you know, is going to be so much about just
understanding a situation.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It's NFL snap and it's so it's just.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
A little, you know, a little nugget from before the game.
And I touched on this in my piece. We're sitting
there in the press box and I look down and
I see one player walking on the along the field.
It's really early and somebody in street clothes. So I
pull out my binoculars and it's Dejon Anthony and he's
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out there and he's doing the like walk that you
and I would do if we walked into an arrowhead
for the first time. Sure, and where he's looking around
at the top of the stadium. He's got his phone
out and he's like, look like he's taken video, you know,
just ten yards from where he would then be asked
to make that play. Now, now, granted he's made plays,
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he's played in the SEC. You know, this is not
saying that he's overwhelmed. And they said, you know, they didn't.
They felt like the moment has never been too big
for him and anything that they've done. You know, Jordan
Battle may be a box safety, okay, and that's not
his role on the team to be the back guy.
I those sold that he is one of the most
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intelligent players that plays the same position, and and that
wouldn't be someone that you would go to in a
that has a year of experience that is going to
be solely based on intelligence of understanding what they're doing. Now,
if that's if he hasn't been practicing there and that's
not what he's been doing, then I get you.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
What your guy's got to be your guys, and you
got a.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Place I'm not gonna I didn't like him being on
the field, but I get it when it was look,
it was either put another fast guy with fresh legs
out there versus a pass rusher where they were all
toast because these guys have all been over extended. You
had Rankins and Hill hurt you. You don't have anybody
to go to, right and so they feel like we're
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just gonna We're just gonna put an extra guys back
there that we know will be fresh. I don't have
And he's done it, you know, like you said, he
would do it one hundred out one hundred times had that,
So I think I don't have a huge problem with it.
But when it happens, I mean, I remember somebody was
talking to me the night before about how they were
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anticipating Anthony playing a.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Little bit bigger role, and you're seeing his role grow.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And I kept thinking, like, man, if you're grasping at
the days John Anthony Straw right now being like a
guy and you know he plays these snaps and you
have an interception taken off the board and the play
of the game at the end, and I just it
felt a little early to grasp at that straw to me,
and it made me nervous when I heard it, and
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you know, it ended up being proven correct. That doesn't
mean his future isn't bright and there shouldn't be a
role for him in the future, and that that's the
role he's currently and isn't still probably a good fit
for him. It's just it's just it just felt a
little early when it does feel like there there's maybe
other things you could do.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Who's gonna play defensive tackle?
Speaker 4 (26:25):
One Monday, a guy might Lawrence guy who apparently signing yes. Yeah, uh,
you know, he's started a ton of games for the
Patriots over the last five years, just thirty four. I'm
gonna guess he was sitting at home, like, should I retire?
You think someone's gonna call me?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Someone called someone call your phone, rang, honey. I think
I'm gonna go to Cincinnati. I think they need me
for like a week. I'll come home with a big check.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
They're gonna ask me to go stand.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
In the middle and not move for about twelve to
fifteen snaps, maybe more. But yeah, I mean they had to, Like,
it's one thing to say in the long term, Oh,
we're gonna try to build this and that guy like
they they literally need a human being, right that can
play that position, to come in and play it Monday.
And luckily it's a position where you can just tell him,
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go there and soak up blocks. You've done it for
your entire career, right, go do it a few more
times for us, please, and we'll happily pay you for it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And so I think I don't I don't know how
long he'll be here.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
It could just be until a few guys get healthy,
but you know it might be a little while. Hamstrings again,
look at me in early hamstrings.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
You hate that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
The Jenkins thing was, you know, busted thumb. But he
might be able to play against Kansas City. That's not happening.
So are we just sort of not counting on him
being a factor at all in the coming weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well, I think I think Jenkin's coming back is possible.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
We'll learn a lot. It's hard to know right now.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I mean, I just think they felt like he had
just had surgery and was just not really the right
move to to put it out there with some giant
club or try on some different protective stuff that maybe
he could be more comfortable with or whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And if he.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Can't use his arm, like if he if he's not
comfortable using that, is he the guy you won out
there anyway? And so I think they were kind of
fighting that a little bit. But yeah, you know that
was a position that was already thin. You already didn't
like it, even with everybody healthy, and now you've lost
the two guys.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
You were counting on most for We'll see how long.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
But again, Hamstrings, you said before, you think there's a
good chance we see Tea on money.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, I think so. I think.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I mean, when you saw him everything you saw last week,
all the positive talk about.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Him, as far as the tone of the way people were.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Not say it, but kind of saying it, like right, looking.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Good over there, like he's out.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
He was doing this today, and then you go and
on Sunday there he is doing a pregame routine. He's
got the tennis balls out, he's running with the receivers,
catching balls from Jake Browning, like all of that stuff,
and he looked really good on the side. All of
that combined, I think has everybody feeling like Monday is
gonna be his day.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
So you could have Jamar, you could have tea. And
then there are nine tight ends they.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And they're all apparently good.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Eric All could play Eric All can play MIKEASICKI. The
one drop notwithstanding was was fine. Yeah, they've they've got
like a really good room.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And Drew Sample is doing all the things Drew Sample
does right where he's he's grabbing. Look, he catches the
ball in his throwne to him. He does that thing
where he takes a step and tries to avoid him
and the guy cuts his legs out and he goes down.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
But so what he.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Can he can do that when you need him to
do and and and he blocks and he and he
blocks very well.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Eric All is gonna be a guy. Yeah, he looks
like he's gonna be a guy.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
And the Bengals have searched for this for so long,
and it feels like they finally might have found.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
A guy at tight end and really good.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And I said that out loud watching him on Sunday,
I'm like, I I think I think we can stop
talking about tight ends.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Well, the interesting thing about that, I don't know how
much time you have, but like you know, the twelve
and even thirteen personnel stuff they were doing, it's it's
not that they're doing it. They did it more certainly
than they have and that was a big part of
the game plan, but they threw out of it more
than they ever have by a huge margin. I mean,
it was like only like a thirty four percent run
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rate out of twelve and thirteen personnel, which is the
opposite and normally that they're up in the seventies with that.
And so when you can go out there and you
can get other teams into base defense and get linebackers
on the field, boom, now you're cooking because you can
end up working matchups through motion and other things to
get one of those linebackers match up on somebody that
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you really like or and know that you can go
And they were doing it over and over again. So
when Chiefs come out and they're in double jamar mode
to have an answer while also not sacrificing your running
game at all as also another answer.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It just bakes in so many more ways that can use.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
This is what we talked about in the beginning, the
very beginning of the season. This is what the versatility
can end up meaning for them, where they can just
give Burrow a lot more options to go to. And
so perhaps this can be it Higgins Chase two tight
ends and one running back can be.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It could be your go to formation.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah. And then meanwhile, running back Zack Moss runs like
he's wearing snow boots and Chase Brown doesn't. So can
we flip up the touches.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
It certainly feels like that you might want to even
that out a little bit. I think, you know, Zach
Moss has had some nice play, particularly in pass pro.
He's got some p rying tendencies to him, kind of.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Where you're let me tell what Chase Brown, what his
tendencies are. He runs fast?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Okay, he does run fast.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Uh, you know, I think that you would certainly like
to see those touches even up a little bit and
give Chase Brown a little bit more. Maybe that's the
Maybe they just felt like Zach was a bet, was
better situationally for all the stuff that Spags was gonna
be throwing at them, him taking all the goal line stuff.
Maybe I get a little bit more because he's a
little bit more of that bigger body that can make
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a one guy missed for an extra couple of yards
that you needed the goal line. Perhaps he's shifty that way.
So I get both of those, but you can't. I
don't think you can come out of a game with
an eighty twenty split between those two. Like that's that's
not what They're both fully healthy and that shouldn't look
like it.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And I like, I understand Zach Boss was brought here
to be a part of the offense, but like it's
it's like with Chase last year early not used, then used,
and then at the end of the year not used,
and it's like once's my guy, gonna get a shot.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, And when he plays, he's done. He's done well.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
When he is on the field and gets the ball
in his hands, really good things happen. You're supposed to
build upon that. And it's a very small sample size.
In twenty twenty four. But that doesn't feel like that
happens with him.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I'd like you just would like to see what a
full game looks like, you know, where he ends up
touching the ball fifteen times, because you feel like two
or three of those would be explosive, right, you know,
and they we just I don't have a problem with
them again, them using both of them.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It just you shouldn't. You shouldn't come out of a game.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
And he played twenty percent and only touched the ball
a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
All Right, It's been a big day because we have renderings, renderings, renderings,
and we have a price tag. We have a price tag,
we have a county commissioners. This is fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
You love this stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
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years has arrived. Yeah, and that's when we start to
talk about not just the future of the venue originally
known as Paul Brown Stadium, but what's gonna happen with
taxpayer money as it relates to it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
We're here, We're here.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
So you were watching County Commissioner meeting.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I watched I watched the County Commissioner meeting, which was
it was essentially just about an hour and a half
presentation of this is what they've put together that well
the architects and construction and everybody that was asked to.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Do this, and they put together their plan and shut
it off. It was I mean, it's impressive.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I never doubted that they would be able to put
out some amazing renderance and that it would be cool.
And they're gonna, you know, have the Bengals essentially their
headquarters is gonna be kind of where the practice fields are.
They're gonna expand all that out and you're in this
big Bengals green space. It's gonna expand down small park
and go all the way down and and everything looks
really neat, and they're gonna be huge boards on the
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outside of the stadium and then they're gonna it's gonna
be connected all vertically up at the top and they're
gonna have you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Everything about it. It looks really really cool.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
We're gonna increase to get in and out off of
the banks, like all the stuff that that are issues
now that you want to see, and it gives it
more usability.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
There's gonna be a nightclub.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
There's there's lots of clubs of different types that can
be used for different club things.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I mean, yeah, I don't I don't club guy, I
don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I don't know if the nightclub thing survived in that
in that exact language, I understand, but I think you could,
you could if you wanted to. But all of that thing,
I never doubted they could come up with something. It
look really cool and it's great because there was like
an hour and ten minutes of all the renderings.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
And look at this and look at that, and look
what this will be.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
And then they're like, all right, let's call up the
guy from messer and he comes up and he's like, uh,
all right, you're not gonna like this.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Its one point two five billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I have a good one everybody, and and it was look,
it was that quick.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
It was it was like it was like after an
hour of everything, it was like, well that's gonna cost
one point too.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, I mean we've anybody who's a homeowner and has
like added something on, like hey, let's let's get a
new patio done. And it looks great when they do
the rendering this and then the guys like, yeah, so
you know, give or take, here's the estimate. And it's like, well,
I don't think we need a hot tub or you
know what, I'm not sure we need a patio. So
one point twenty five.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Bill, one point two five bill for that vision, and
that's VISI of that vision.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Is what is all on us? Bengal's gonna throw in
some coin?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Well, this is the question right now with the fun
begins of taking that both sides now taking this proposal
and this vision and willing out what what they like,
what the Bengals don't like, what they're willing to pay for,
what they don't want to pay for, how much they
should pay for it, How can they find other people
that can pay for it?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
What is the state going to put in?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
What is all all this is the beginning, like this is, okay,
take this and figure out how it works into the
visions that both teams have.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And how much that should be.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
And we go down that fun road and see where
it ends up over the next you know, couple of
years until the lease is up, and then both sides
can the lease even further. It can go on forever.
You can still kick kick those leases down a couple
of years.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
At the time, I was listening to the news this
morning on seven hundred WLW, and I had a thought
like I remember this in the mid nineties, Like I
remember the Bengals threatening to move to Baltimore. I'm old
enough to remember that that that is a thing that happened.
But I was like young man, and I'm like, all right, cool,
We're gonna get a new stadium. Gonna be awesome. And
that is like I hear about renderings and how long
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this may take. I'm starting to wonder, well I'd be
alive for this.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, I know, so.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Should I care that much? If there's a chance that
I'm not a depressing it is this way.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
That I choose to live my life.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
If you saw how my morning was going to the
end your podcast, so That's kind of where my head was, like,
am I am? I gonna be alive for this? Here's
what I want to know. Okay, the stadium has been
around for twenty five years, they haven't figured out a
way to consistently have a working escalator, and.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Now they're gonna have like ten of them.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I was so excited. I saw that.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Also, there was a great I need to put this out.
There is a great shot of like all the square
footage and everything that's gonna be added to different areas.
So it had like ten different buckets compartments. Oh well
for this type of stuff, there's gonna be this much
more square foot for admins, this much more. It goes
on in the very bottom and had media press zero,
Like they had to put it on the sheet that
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they're not doing anything for us. Make sure you media
know absolutely not keep. I think that means like it
wasn't negative. So maybe I get to keep my cubicle.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
What's nice.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
They'll probably move us across the street.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I would guess one in this nothing escalator.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Now there will be ten allegedly, sure, so when so
when three go down, you still have seven.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I guess that's one way I'm looking at Yeah, well,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I hope that.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
So let's can we increase the cost of the stadium
that includes for like a couple of people that actually
make sure it's working a couple hours before they open
the gates every every game.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Well, I always feel bad for the poor person who
has to stand there and explain to people that the
escalator isn't working because it's not their fault.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
They didn't break it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
It is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Face.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
All right, Uh, we'll talk to.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
You next week. I will.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
I look forward to it's gonna be. We'll be well,
will be the coming off the Monday night game.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, you'll have.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Everything gets shifted, Everything gets shifted. This everything's all out
of whack. Yeah, we'll figure it out, figure it out.
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things we knew one of the three things we knew.
Number one, game was going to be close, it's Bengals Chiefs.
Number two, there were gonna be controversial moments during it.
It's Bengals Chiefs and it's the NFL. And number three,
there were gonna be like twenty eight different things to discuss,
a lot of different talking points. You've covered them all.
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You and I touched on this a little bit today,
but the general theme in the after math of the
game was, Okay, do you take that as devastating gut
punch loss and OMG, their oh and two sky is falling,
or do you kind of look at some of the
stuff that happened in the game and it's not a
moral victory, but feel encouraged by it. Here's my encapsulation,
here's how I feel. Okay, I think they're gonna be okay,
(04:18):
but they're getting a little bit too close to the fire.
I think they're gonna be okay. They've rebounded from oh
and two. The schedule in the coming weeks could not
be more forgiving. But if you keep going oh and two,
at some point you're gonna be oh to three. Yeah,
And mathematically that's just really tough to recover from.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
This, to me, the gut punch of that is still
it's still the aftershock of week one.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It is like nobody cares.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
You feel unbelievable about where the Bengals are at. If
you won the game you should have in week one, right,
and you go and you you know that's again when
you when you look at the season as a whole
and you separate it into buckets, the Chiefs are in
a very different bucket from the Patriot. It's the only
reason that the Chiefs one really hurts you is because
you lost one in the first bucket of the games
you should have won, and so that you just you
(05:07):
gotta steal one somewhere else and however you want to
look at that so in the big picture of the season,
My view on your on your in your point is
that I think that is a absolute frustrating gut punch
of a loss in December. But I think when you
are more trying to judge the direction of the team,
the ceiling, what you know, a lot of stuff that
(05:31):
looked absolutely horrendous and week one, how problematic was that
going to be for long periods of time? What's the
sustainability of whatever you're going to show? I thought they
checked all, you know, so many of those boxes on
the hard stuff, the stuff that you really care about
over the long haul.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Of this season.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
On Sunday, specifically, as it always is, Number one, Joe
Burrow looked really good and and he he threw the
ball with zip, anticipation, pocket feel, he ran, he'd all
the things that you expect to see from Joe Burrow.
You saw to make you believe, okay, And when you
have that, you're saying, man, everything's gonna and he's still
(06:15):
you know, outside of the you know, the fumble changes
of the game. I don't excuse it, but outside of that,
did everything you have to do to find a way
to beat Patrick Mahomes and and I think that makes
you believe that this team will be able to make
the playoffs. We consider their current schedule and the direction
(06:38):
that they're headed and make a whole lot of noise
when they get there and be the one team that
the Chiefs know when they come to town that there's
you know, a big issue.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah. I talked to somebody in Kansas City sports talk
radio who said that was kind of the big takeaway
that when we get to January, the Bengals are still
that one team that if they come to Arrowhead Stadium,
you fred a little bit more compared to Buffalo, Baltimore, LA,
whoever it might be. And yes, I wish they would
have won, but I do think that was that was confirmed,
(07:08):
that was reaffirmed on Sunday. There's sure Now the loss
may reverberate and perhaps the Bengals have to go to
Kansas City, maybe they end up with the same record
and Bengals have to go back to Arrowhead again in
the playoffs for the third time in four years. And
if that's the case, then you look back at Week
two and there's a lot of different moments in that game.
The moments in that game for me aren't fourth and sixteen.
(07:32):
And it's not Jamar Chase's meltdown, it's not the miss
pat which ended up kind of being a wash. It's
two possessions in the fourth quarter on the road with
a lead. Yep, that if they end up in Kansas,
we have right, But I mean, all right, they go back. God,
I wish they would have beaten the Chiefs and now
they gotta go back to Arrowhead and maybe they win,
and it's a mood point, but God, why they have
(07:53):
to go back? And I'm gonna say because in the
fourth quarter, on two different occasions with the lead on
day where they have outplayed them, they.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Couldn't get a done punt, fumblefield goal. Yep, three possession
if you count the first. I mean those were I
mean that was with them in control. You know, you're
that fumble possession. You go back just to that one.
They are real? Are they trying to darn or put
that game away? On that drive? And it goes from
that to all of a sudden, you're now playing from
(08:23):
behind on in one play and you know it that
changes everything. But you go to you know, and I
think there's real questions to be asked about. I thought
the play that I go back to, if you pick
out one play that's not one of the obvious, like
you mentioned four sixteen from whatever, the second down to yosebash,
(08:46):
that was a drop kind of a yeah, five catches
that right, and that play he's the one that's the first.
That's one of the first times, not not the only,
certainly we talked about. You know, the Patriots game is
probably different, I think because they just they.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Just needed a dude.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
When nothing was going right. They needed to throw at
the tee well, and they didn't have him to go to.
That's a different discussion. But you know that was that
game where you were like, oh, they are they missed
Higgins right there? Yea, where he that is? That is
in your sleep yet a little bit behind him, but
he's just he just you know, contorts his body and
snags it and goes down and you move and that
(09:26):
is a game changing play. You are now that drive
is now moving, the clock is going all the way down.
You might that you're so close, you're one first down
or maybe two away. From knee time and victory formation
and never giving them the ball back as desperate and
fluky as fourth and sixteen was, it wasn't desperate or
(09:47):
fluky when you had to punt that you're not winning
this game because you're giving the ball once again back
to Patrick Mahomes with plenty of time and timeouts and
the field to go and just needing to go kick
a field goal, right, yea, So they were their defense
stepped up.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But you can't. You can only do that so well.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I mean, you can only your chances of victory if
he comes to that and they know it, and they
knew it, and this has happened again with you in
these games and they couldn't get that last drive done,
whether it's you know, a couple of drops there or
whatever you want to call it, that that play certainly.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Stands at him.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Maybe it's different with t and I think you see that,
you'll you know, he's probably gonna play against Washington.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But again with the.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Like just that finish, yeah, that finish against those guys
where you just need those couple extra plays that they've
gotten sometimes. They certainly did in the AFC Championship game
in twenty one but the defense kind of provided, but
they the offense did enough. The third and twelve throw
at pay Corps that finished off to it. Those are
that's along with everything else in the aggression that they had,
(10:54):
how you beat the Chiefs and they when you don't
do it and you kick it away, you get what
you get well.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And another one of those moments is on a day
where he was otherwise really good, Mike Kaseicki has a
first down drop and then two plays later is the fumble.
And maybe that still happens, but I would love to
go back in time and have him catch that pass
and then then just see how things would unfold just
on that drive. Maybe the same, maybe different, but like
(11:20):
when he fumbled it, I went, God, this this sequence
seems to me like it would be different if he
catches that pass. And you hate to harp on him
because he was otherwise excellent right and showed you some
of the stuff he can do in this offen.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I'm not sure how much of this was easy to
see on the TV broadcast, but you know in person
from the moon where we were at up in the
press box, that was the one swath of the field
that the sun was still coming through right, so everything
into the ball. It's like a hitter right when ye
when it changes from shadows, and I'm not it's it's
(11:55):
an excuse, but it was weird where where his route
ended up was three yards into the sun.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So at the right as.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It arrives, boom it's and you're looking up and he's
looking up into it coming out of the shade into
the sun right at the last second. It was a
really weird spot to be to try to catch that ball.
And again, not you got to catch the ball, whatever it's,
it's you're playing the game outdoors. But uh, that I
think that was a big part of that one because otherwise,
(12:24):
I mean, I guess sick. He's as as sure handed
a tight end as they Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And he was otherwise terrific, terrific.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
How about the fourth down? You know what a tone
setter for the day. Yeah, Well, two things.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
One, we are not sitting patiently back and punting and playing.
We are going after you on the first possession and
when we gotta have it, we're gonna go find our
tight ends, right and you're not because you're gonna think
you're gonna get us by double and Jamar well, guess what,
you're gonna get a steady diet of these guys. And
that was really the theme most of the day. Yeah,
(12:59):
obviously in the.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Do you wish that would have continued at the end
of their first drive fourth and goal They've gone for
it fourth down earlier in the drive. I can't blame
them in a game that's going to be close for
taking the points. I have a hard time with that
because you could trust your defense all you want, it's
still emotionally deflated and go down the field to start
the game and you come up with you come up empty.
(13:21):
At the same time, if you're going to coach that
aggressive early in the drive and you're on the doorstep,
it's not fourth and goal from the nine, it's fourth
and goal from the four.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
H Yeah, that's a tough one because I can't kill
them for it. No' So here's the other side of
that is all week and you know, talking to people
in the building and Zach, it is, Look, there's such
that it's been such a difference maker for this team
to just score early, to get going early, to have
(13:50):
positive drives and and that be how the game starts.
And so you I think there was a real worry
about something that happened in the Patriots game where you
have a good drive and then you get nothing out
of it, and then you have trouble getting it back,
and there's like a yeah, it's it's a little bit
more momentum based early in the game than it is
(14:11):
probably numbers based and gut based and knowing your team
and this team wanted to get out kind of play from.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Ahead a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And then that at that switch later in the game,
I mean, when they could have taken the lead and
opted instead to go for it, then it's just then
it's about the numbers and understanding what type of game
you were in. But I think at that point he
knew he was in the type of game where they
needed to get something out of Drive one, and once
they had it, they didn't want to risk giving it away.
(14:39):
It's a tough call, it is.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I have a hard time saying he got it wrong. Yeah,
but my preference there is, Dude, we've gone forward and
fourth and three close to midfield, let's do it here. Yeah,
let's let's let's do it here with Joe Burrow and
try to score seven points. And again, like I kept
thinking about it a halftime because they had outplayed him.
They had scored four of ten draw is they're up
two zero and turnovers up six points.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, And it felt like it needed to be
more and it ended up being the case.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I'm with I.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Just feel like I don't tell them well and also
you don't know, like what is you're learning off a
small sample size of the red zone and gold to
go stuff of how sticky is that gonna be down
there today? Is that gonna be tough? Like are you ever?
But at the later in the game, I think they
felt really good about their red zone plan. They'd seen
like eight million goal to go plays at that point,
(15:29):
and so you feel like you have a better feel
for what will work and the possibilities of it happening.
At that point, you're still kind of coming in blind
a little bit too, how tough red zone is gonna
be that day, and some other things that Spags could
throw at you that he's got in his pocket. Whereas
when those are eliminated a little bit more, you can
you can have a little bit better feel.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So I'm with you, like on it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
On the surface of on the surface of logic and
the numbers and beating the Chiefs. I think you can
make an obviously make a big argument for going for
it there. But I think the in where the Bengals
were kind of adding that game and in the season
and not kind of knowing, I think taking the points
I do.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Agree with that may just making some sense.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
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All right, eat burgers. That sounds good. Uh, moments were
circling in that game, and you you touched on it
in in your one of your post mortem pieces, the
Jermaine Burton play. Yeah, that's the start of something.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It has to be.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
We discussed like, all right, doesn't have Burrows trust, there's
one way you get it. You're gonna get limited opportunities,
maybe a few more without tea. It had kind of
been teased all week long, right, I geta been like
part of the dialogue last week was all right, Burton's
gonna get a shot, and when's it gonna come? Is
he gonna take advantage?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And he did, and he did I. You know, I
enjoyed the timing of it.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Okay, all of halftime to sit there and be like,
all right, first play, you're gonna go out there, You're
gonna run.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Straight to you right, like, let's start easy.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
And there was more in the playbook for inclusion, but
obviously the one thing that they knew that they would
want to do. You could play off of some stuff
that you've done earlier in the game with your formation
and what you do that would get you a one
on one going deep on the outside, do it immediately,
go right to that play.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And he made it happen, and you're right to earn.
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
The tone of the conversation about him changed last week
during the week of them of just everybody kind of
being like, you know, like he's he's coming along, You're
seeing some of the progress and the right steps that
you want to see that we feel like we can
trust him with a little bit of a package. And
that's what we said, even as all the stuff was
(18:45):
going on in the preseason, was like, they just need
to put together a small package that you can start
him with and let him prove himself there and then
expand that as many times as he warrants, and that's
what this was. That was really number play one of
that and so to get that that gives him his
first taste, you know of making a play of what
(19:08):
all that stuff during the week leads to if you
do it right and and and then Burrow to believe that,
I know that this guy can go win, he can
make a play, he'll do the right stuff, and if
that continues, you can do more.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That felt like when we look back on this game
in two and a half months or whatever, it might
be one of the biggest things that we talk about, Yeah,
is that was when they finally started to you know,
it started to click and they were able to kind
of build something the very very first brick of something
with with Jermaine Burt.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I thought it was cool on a week where he
made a lot of news that Jamar Chase came out
and talked about him.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, and not insignificant from where I said.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
No, I feel like those guys are you know, they're
they're trying and they get it. Both t and Jamar
have done this, and both Tea and Jamar went through
some pretty notable struggles early in their rookie year. Jamar's
very notable across the country, and T had a ton
(20:12):
of them too.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
They were overlooked by a lot of other things.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Burrows Camp, COVID season. There's a lot going on there,
but T really, you know, he had injury. T had
injury at that point, and he really took him a
while to get going and learn everything. And he was
playing behind guys he shouldn't have been playing behind uh
and and all of that went away for those guys
as some of the games started going and they were
(20:35):
able to earn a little bit of trust, and.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So they had them speaking.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I think they see a little bit of some of
the stuff that they went through in Germane in different ways,
but the same type of stuff where you're gonna have
a lot of adversity as you try to figure it out.
And I feel like they want to help them and
when they feel like they see things going in the
right direction, they want to, you know, prop it up
because there's probably too much going other directions.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Sometimes we do have to talk about fourth and sixteen.
We do have to talk about the distribution of touches
among the running backs. We have to talk about the
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(22:15):
wrote about this extensively, and it was the first question
that I had to John Anthony. So now I'm rooting
for him to like have a game. Yeah, I didn't
like him being on the field.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I didn't like him being in the field.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Fair to question the strategy. You know, my colleague Tony
Pike has obviously hammered him for only rushing three. There
were players on the sideline that I would have preferred. Okay,
Now what I'm hoping for is he becomes, in relatively
short order known for something beyond that plane.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, and he will. I think he's earned his future,
is really right?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You know how this works.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Yeah, I know, you know how this works a lot
of times.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
This is what it is, right.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
No, I think he played really well in camp and
really opened a lot of people's eyes, and they liked
his instincts and feel and speed and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Really hard for me to be totally comfortable with a
seventh round rookie who's never really done much of anything
before to be out there in a spot that is,
you know, is going to be so much about just
understanding a situation.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It's NFL snap and it's so it's just.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
A little, you know, a little nugget from before the game.
And I touched on this in my piece. We're sitting
there in the press box and I look down and
I see one player walking on the along the field.
It's really early and somebody in street clothes. So I
pull out my binoculars and it's Dejon Anthony and he's
(23:56):
out there and he's doing the like walk that you
and I would do if we walked into an arrowhead
for the first time. Sure, and where he's looking around
at the top of the stadium. He's got his phone
out and he's like, look like he's taken video, you know,
just ten yards from where he would then be asked
to make that play. Now, now, granted he's made plays,
(24:17):
he's played in the SEC. You know, this is not
saying that he's overwhelmed. And they said, you know, they didn't.
They felt like the moment has never been too big
for him and anything that they've done. You know, Jordan
Battle may be a box safety, okay, and that's not
his role on the team to be the back guy.
I those sold that he is one of the most
(24:38):
intelligent players that plays the same position, and and that
wouldn't be someone that you would go to in a
that has a year of experience that is going to
be solely based on intelligence of understanding what they're doing. Now,
if that's if he hasn't been practicing there and that's
not what he's been doing, then I get you.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
What your guy's got to be your guys, and you
got a.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Place I'm not gonna I didn't like him being on
the field, but I get it when it was look,
it was either put another fast guy with fresh legs
out there versus a pass rusher where they were all
toast because these guys have all been over extended. You
had Rankins and Hill hurt you. You don't have anybody
to go to, right and so they feel like we're
(25:22):
just gonna We're just gonna put an extra guys back
there that we know will be fresh. I don't have
And he's done it, you know, like you said, he
would do it one hundred out one hundred times had that,
So I think I don't have a huge problem with it.
But when it happens, I mean, I remember somebody was
talking to me the night before about how they were
(25:43):
anticipating Anthony playing a.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Little bit bigger role, and you're seeing his role grow.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And I kept thinking, like, man, if you're grasping at
the days John Anthony Straw right now being like a
guy and you know he plays these snaps and you
have an interception taken off the board and the play
of the game at the end, and I just it
felt a little early to grasp at that straw to me,
and it made me nervous when I heard it, and
(26:10):
you know, it ended up being proven correct. That doesn't
mean his future isn't bright and there shouldn't be a
role for him in the future, and that that's the
role he's currently and isn't still probably a good fit
for him. It's just it's just it just felt a
little early when it does feel like there there's maybe
other things you could do.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Who's gonna play defensive tackle?
Speaker 4 (26:25):
One Monday, a guy might Lawrence guy who apparently signing yes. Yeah, uh,
you know, he's started a ton of games for the
Patriots over the last five years, just thirty four. I'm
gonna guess he was sitting at home, like, should I retire?
You think someone's gonna call me?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Someone called someone call your phone, rang, honey. I think
I'm gonna go to Cincinnati. I think they need me
for like a week. I'll come home with a big check.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
They're gonna ask me to go stand.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
In the middle and not move for about twelve to
fifteen snaps, maybe more. But yeah, I mean they had to, Like,
it's one thing to say in the long term, Oh,
we're gonna try to build this and that guy like
they they literally need a human being, right that can
play that position, to come in and play it Monday.
And luckily it's a position where you can just tell him,
(27:16):
go there and soak up blocks. You've done it for
your entire career, right, go do it a few more
times for us, please, and we'll happily pay you for it.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And so I think I don't I don't know how
long he'll be here.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
It could just be until a few guys get healthy,
but you know it might be a little while. Hamstrings again,
look at me in early hamstrings.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
You hate that.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
The Jenkins thing was, you know, busted thumb. But he
might be able to play against Kansas City. That's not happening.
So are we just sort of not counting on him
being a factor at all in the coming weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well, I think I think Jenkin's coming back is possible.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
We'll learn a lot. It's hard to know right now.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I mean, I just think they felt like he had
just had surgery and was just not really the right
move to to put it out there with some giant
club or try on some different protective stuff that maybe
he could be more comfortable with or whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And if he.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Can't use his arm, like if he if he's not
comfortable using that, is he the guy you won out
there anyway? And so I think they were kind of
fighting that a little bit. But yeah, you know that
was a position that was already thin. You already didn't
like it, even with everybody healthy, and now you've lost
the two guys.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
You were counting on most for We'll see how long.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
But again, Hamstrings, you said before, you think there's a
good chance we see Tea on money.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, I think so. I think.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I mean, when you saw him everything you saw last week,
all the positive talk about.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Him, as far as the tone of the way people were.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Not say it, but kind of saying it, like right, looking.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Good over there, like he's out.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
He was doing this today, and then you go and
on Sunday there he is doing a pregame routine. He's
got the tennis balls out, he's running with the receivers,
catching balls from Jake Browning, like all of that stuff,
and he looked really good on the side. All of
that combined, I think has everybody feeling like Monday is
gonna be his day.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
So you could have Jamar, you could have tea. And
then there are nine tight ends they.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And they're all apparently good.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Eric All could play Eric All can play MIKEASICKI. The
one drop notwithstanding was was fine. Yeah, they've they've got
like a really good room.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And Drew Sample is doing all the things Drew Sample
does right where he's he's grabbing. Look, he catches the
ball in his throwne to him. He does that thing
where he takes a step and tries to avoid him
and the guy cuts his legs out and he goes down.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
But so what he.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Can he can do that when you need him to
do and and and he blocks and he and he
blocks very well.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Eric All is gonna be a guy. Yeah, he looks
like he's gonna be a guy.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
And the Bengals have searched for this for so long,
and it feels like they finally might have found.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
A guy at tight end and really good.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And I said that out loud watching him on Sunday,
I'm like, I I think I think we can stop
talking about tight ends.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Well, the interesting thing about that, I don't know how
much time you have, but like you know, the twelve
and even thirteen personnel stuff they were doing, it's it's
not that they're doing it. They did it more certainly
than they have and that was a big part of
the game plan, but they threw out of it more
than they ever have by a huge margin. I mean,
it was like only like a thirty four percent run
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rate out of twelve and thirteen personnel, which is the
opposite and normally that they're up in the seventies with that.
And so when you can go out there and you
can get other teams into base defense and get linebackers
on the field, boom, now you're cooking because you can
end up working matchups through motion and other things to
get one of those linebackers match up on somebody that
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you really like or and know that you can go
And they were doing it over and over again. So
when Chiefs come out and they're in double jamar mode
to have an answer while also not sacrificing your running
game at all as also another answer.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It just bakes in so many more ways that can use.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
This is what we talked about in the beginning, the
very beginning of the season. This is what the versatility
can end up meaning for them, where they can just
give Burrow a lot more options to go to. And
so perhaps this can be it Higgins Chase two tight
ends and one running back can be.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It could be your go to formation.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah. And then meanwhile, running back Zack Moss runs like
he's wearing snow boots and Chase Brown doesn't. So can
we flip up the touches.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
It certainly feels like that you might want to even
that out a little bit. I think, you know, Zach
Moss has had some nice play, particularly in pass pro.
He's got some p rying tendencies to him, kind of.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Where you're let me tell what Chase Brown, what his
tendencies are. He runs fast?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Okay, he does run fast.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Uh, you know, I think that you would certainly like
to see those touches even up a little bit and
give Chase Brown a little bit more. Maybe that's the
Maybe they just felt like Zach was a bet, was
better situationally for all the stuff that Spags was gonna
be throwing at them, him taking all the goal line stuff.
Maybe I get a little bit more because he's a
little bit more of that bigger body that can make
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a one guy missed for an extra couple of yards
that you needed the goal line. Perhaps he's shifty that way.
So I get both of those, but you can't. I
don't think you can come out of a game with
an eighty twenty split between those two. Like that's that's
not what They're both fully healthy and that shouldn't look
like it.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And I like, I understand Zach Boss was brought here
to be a part of the offense, but like it's
it's like with Chase last year early not used, then used,
and then at the end of the year not used,
and it's like once's my guy, gonna get a shot.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, And when he plays, he's done. He's done well.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
When he is on the field and gets the ball
in his hands, really good things happen. You're supposed to
build upon that. And it's a very small sample size.
In twenty twenty four. But that doesn't feel like that
happens with him.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I'd like you just would like to see what a
full game looks like, you know, where he ends up
touching the ball fifteen times, because you feel like two
or three of those would be explosive, right, you know,
and they we just I don't have a problem with
them again, them using both of them.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It just you shouldn't. You shouldn't come out of a game.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
And he played twenty percent and only touched the ball
a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
All Right, It's been a big day because we have renderings, renderings, renderings,
and we have a price tag. We have a price tag,
we have a county commissioners. This is fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
You love this stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Discuss when we come back. Let's do it on ESPN
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beat Ups, the day that I've been dreading for five
years has arrived. Yeah, and that's when we start to
talk about not just the future of the venue originally
known as Paul Brown Stadium, but what's gonna happen with
taxpayer money as it relates to it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
We're here, We're here.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
So you were watching County Commissioner meeting.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I watched I watched the County Commissioner meeting, which was
it was essentially just about an hour and a half
presentation of this is what they've put together that well
the architects and construction and everybody that was asked to.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Do this, and they put together their plan and shut
it off. It was I mean, it's impressive.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
I never doubted that they would be able to put
out some amazing renderance and that it would be cool.
And they're gonna, you know, have the Bengals essentially their
headquarters is gonna be kind of where the practice fields are.
They're gonna expand all that out and you're in this
big Bengals green space. It's gonna expand down small park
and go all the way down and and everything looks
really neat, and they're gonna be huge boards on the
(34:54):
outside of the stadium and then they're gonna it's gonna
be connected all vertically up at the top and they're
gonna have you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Everything about it. It looks really really cool.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
We're gonna increase to get in and out off of
the banks, like all the stuff that that are issues
now that you want to see, and it gives it
more usability.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
There's gonna be a nightclub.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
There's there's lots of clubs of different types that can
be used for different club things.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I mean, yeah, I don't I don't club guy, I
don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I don't know if the nightclub thing survived in that
in that exact language, I understand, but I think you could,
you could if you wanted to. But all of that thing,
I never doubted they could come up with something. It
look really cool and it's great because there was like
an hour and ten minutes of all the renderings.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
And look at this and look at that, and look
what this will be.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
And then they're like, all right, let's call up the
guy from messer and he comes up and he's like, uh,
all right, you're not gonna like this.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Its one point two five billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I have a good one everybody, and and it was look,
it was that quick.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
It was it was like it was like after an
hour of everything, it was like, well that's gonna cost
one point too.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, I mean we've anybody who's a homeowner and has
like added something on, like hey, let's let's get a
new patio done. And it looks great when they do
the rendering this and then the guys like, yeah, so
you know, give or take, here's the estimate. And it's like, well,
I don't think we need a hot tub or you
know what, I'm not sure we need a patio. So
one point twenty five.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Bill, one point two five bill for that vision, and
that's VISI of that vision.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Is what is all on us? Bengal's gonna throw in
some coin?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Well, this is the question right now with the fun
begins of taking that both sides now taking this proposal
and this vision and willing out what what they like,
what the Bengals don't like, what they're willing to pay for,
what they don't want to pay for, how much they
should pay for it, How can they find other people
that can pay for it?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
What is the state going to put in?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
What is all all this is the beginning, like this is, okay,
take this and figure out how it works into the
visions that both teams have.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And how much that should be.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
And we go down that fun road and see where
it ends up over the next you know, couple of
years until the lease is up, and then both sides
can the lease even further. It can go on forever.
You can still kick kick those leases down a couple
of years.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
At the time, I was listening to the news this
morning on seven hundred WLW, and I had a thought
like I remember this in the mid nineties, Like I
remember the Bengals threatening to move to Baltimore. I'm old
enough to remember that that that is a thing that happened.
But I was like young man, and I'm like, all right, cool,
We're gonna get a new stadium. Gonna be awesome. And
that is like I hear about renderings and how long
(37:30):
this may take. I'm starting to wonder, well I'd be
alive for this.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, I know, so.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Should I care that much? If there's a chance that
I'm not a depressing it is this way.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
That I choose to live my life.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
If you saw how my morning was going to the
end your podcast, so That's kind of where my head was, like,
am I am? I gonna be alive for this? Here's
what I want to know. Okay, the stadium has been
around for twenty five years, they haven't figured out a
way to consistently have a working escalator, and.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Now they're gonna have like ten of them.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I was so excited. I saw that.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Also, there was a great I need to put this out.
There is a great shot of like all the square
footage and everything that's gonna be added to different areas.
So it had like ten different buckets compartments. Oh well
for this type of stuff, there's gonna be this much
more square foot for admins, this much more. It goes
on in the very bottom and had media press zero,
Like they had to put it on the sheet that
(38:27):
they're not doing anything for us. Make sure you media
know absolutely not keep. I think that means like it
wasn't negative. So maybe I get to keep my cubicle.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
What's nice.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
They'll probably move us across the street.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I would guess one in this nothing escalator.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Now there will be ten allegedly, sure, so when so
when three go down, you still have seven.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I guess that's one way I'm looking at Yeah, well,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I hope that.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
So let's can we increase the cost of the stadium
that includes for like a couple of people that actually
make sure it's working a couple hours before they open
the gates every every game.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Well, I always feel bad for the poor person who
has to stand there and explain to people that the
escalator isn't working because it's not their fault.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
They didn't break it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
It is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Face.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
All right, Uh, we'll talk to.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
You next week. I will.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
I look forward to it's gonna be. We'll be well,
will be the coming off the Monday night game.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, you'll have.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Everything gets shifted, Everything gets shifted. This everything's all out
of whack. Yeah, we'll figure it out, figure it out.
We'll figure it out, all right. Paul Danner Junior.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
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Speaker 2 (39:46):
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Speaker 6 (39:59):
The Steelers game pla and for Week three features quarterback
Justin Fields starting just as it did the first two weeks.
Pittsburgh preparing for fields to start against the Chargers Sunday.
Russell Wilson continues to deal with a calf injury. Despite
that rough outing against a potent Saints offense where the
Cowboys defense struggle to contain the pass and the run.
Owner Jerry Jones not worried about his team's ability to
(40:20):
turn things around.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Cam lekay, exactly what we're trying to do and have
it ready to go, and have it ready to go
on a way that can win these games during the
season and get ready for the playoffs. The answers a
big yes, we gave.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Jerry Jones on one O five to three the Fan.
The Chiefs, needing running back depth, signed Kareem Hunt to
their practice squad. Schools in Georgia have legal cover to
begin immediately paying their athletes directly. According to an executive
order signed by Governor Brian Kemp. It prohibits the NCAA
or other athletic conferences from punishing any university or college
in Georgia for offering compensation or compensating a student athlete
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