9/18/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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you're not having a bad day and be on because
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I lost twenty five bucks and that's like the seventh
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That's EMERYFCU dot org. By the way I quickly before
we get started here, I want to say thank you
to the folks who came out in Anderson yesterday to
Buffalo Wild Wings. So you know, we're on from three
to six in the afternoon and it's always a blast.
We broadcast every single Tuesday. Next week going to be

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a Wednesday. It's in the Hamilton Fairfield area, Bridgewater Falls,
and you know, look at we start our show at
three o'clock and sometimes for a show like that, you know,
you get to a place to the show at three o'clock,
you know, people are still working, they're doing stuff, picking
up kids from school, things of that nature, and so
you're you know, you're not totally by yourself, but not

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very crowded, and you know there are times just sit
there and it's like, God, I'm just kind of talking
to myself in the night. For five o'clock yesterday, we
had a great crowd. So I appreciate everybody who came
out and it was awesome to be there. And we'll
be back at the Bridgewater Falls location on Wednesday of
next week. Everything gets shifted a week because of Monday
Night football Bengals and the Washington Commanders, and while we're

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doing some housekeeping here. I got an email MO at
ESPN fifteen thirty dot com. In this day and age
with social media, you know, when I first started doing this,
I think we were still giving out a fax number.
But when I first started doing this, you know, email,
and then now it's x and it's Facebook. And there

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have been some people who have like gotten into my
dms on Instagram, which is kind of weird sometimes but awesome. Great,
So I bet I get an email. I'll get a
lot of emails these days, and I've tried to be
better and better about getting to the ones that I
do get, and in recent weeks I have failed. But

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I got an email here from a guy named Len,
who says, and he points out that this isn't just
aimed at me, but that it's aimed at the people
on our radio stations and many in the local media
for accepting moral victories and finding too much bright side

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in a dark loss to Kansas City. Len's words not mine. Now,
I like this email, And the reason I like this
email is Len. He has his last name, and there's
a job title. I'm not going to say where he works.
I love that, you know, in this business you get
two different types of correspondence. You get anonymous, which I

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have less and less interest in than ever before, and
I don't really engage with all that much compared to
how much I used to. And then you get people
who you know that the constructive may be critical, or
the criticism may be constructive, it's a good start, or
you know, disagreement is always welcome. But I appreciate the

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folks who write to us or tweet us and let
us know a little bit about who they are. I
like that. And so len here is not happy because
we're all accepting moral victories. Here's my question. And you know,
at some point we're going to start talking about the
game on Monday against the Commanders, which I think is
a pretty interesting football game because Washington can do something

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the Bengals aren't good at stopping, and that's obviously running
the football. And last year the Bengals third game was
a close game. Cincinnati did not cover against the Rams
Week three. They're seven and a half point favorites on Monday,
but it's not a moral victory. Look if if the
game would have stopped on fourth and sixteen, like they

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don't play the play, there's no pass interference. We don't
have to complain about the officials. Nobody's coming up with
goofy conspiracy theories. Fourth and sixteen games over, you feel
pretty good, right, You would not. You certainly wouldn't say
the Bengals were perfect. You certainly wouldn't walk away from
that game unconcerned about well, the injuries on the defensive

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line and some of the things you saw unfold during
that game. But you would feel more good than bad.
You'd feel I think pretty positive about how they played,
how Joe looked, some of the things we saw from
the offense, Jermaine Burton having a hand in it, uh,
some of the things we saw on defense, Cam Taylor

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BRIT's interception, bouncing back after giving up a long deep
ball for a touchdown. I think you feel pretty good
about how they played. Does that all get wiped away
because of basically one play? I don't think it should.
Had they won the game, Let's say Patrick mahomes pass

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falls incomplete, or they sack them and the game ends,
Bengals come out taking a game over. We probably would
have spent some time on some of the things that
didn't go so well. We probably would have spent some
time talking about the run defense. We probably would have
spent some time discussing Chase Jamar Chase's outburst, which happened

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way earlier than the fourth and sixteen. We'd probably spend
a fair amount of time picking apart the game and
talking about some of the decisions that Taylor made. We
would do that had they won the football game, had
they closed the deal on fourth and sixteen. Why can't
we do that then with some of the stuff that
went well, and try to figure out what it means

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moving forward in a game they lost that they were
this close to winning. It's not I said this on
the show yesterday. It's not accepting a moral victory. It's
applying context. Applying context is a big part of life, right,
apply context. I think if you apply context to that

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football game, and if you you fold in how they
played against the Patriots and all the concerns specifically about
Joe that came out of that game, I think you
feel okay with where the Bengals are, Like, I don't
love that they're oh and two. Uh the more more,
the more seasons you do this and start going two,

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at some point you're gonna go and three, and then
you have. You got to go win the fourth game
to avoid going oh and four, and they fortunately haven't
had to do that the last two years. But the
more you do it, you know that. I keep saying
that the closer you get to the fire, at some
point you're gonna get burned. And the Bengals are getting
way too close to the fire. But I like how
they played on Sunday. I liked most of the offensive

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game plan. I would flip flop the Chase Brown and
Zach Moss roles. I like for the most part, how
the secondary performed. I went into the game fearing that
the run defense was going to be bad because they're
not good against the run. And I'm not sure that's
ever gonna change in twenty twenty four. It's probably only
gonna get worse with the injuries in the short term.

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But the most important thing was how Joe looked. The
most important thing was to win the game. Right after that,
it was build a foundation on which this can be
built moving forward. This year, they didn't win the football game,
and yes, that is most important, but this at this
stage in the season, that's not the only thing. It
isn't quite frankly, if it is then shows like this

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have no purpose. One might argue they don't anyway if
the idea is they won, so we're all just going
to NodD along and recite the fact that they won,
or they lost and were incapable of saying anything nice
them because they lost, Like, well, we're all gonna do
the same shows, we're all gonna say the same things.

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I was, and I'm sure if you're a Bengals fan,
you're with me, deeply frustrated by the loss to play
at the end of the game lou An Arumo strategy.
But I walked away from it feeling like I watched
a team capable of getting to the playoffs, capable of
winning a division that early in the season doesn't look

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like it's as good as last year. And we have
said all along with the Bengals, if they just get in,
they got a shot. If they just get in, they
got a chance. If they just get in with a
healthy number nine, they got a shot. Yeah. Man, at
some point, I would love it if they can go
into the playoffs and miss the first week. Wouldn't that
be fun? How much fun that would be watch the

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first wild card weekend with six games and your team
isn't a part of it because they're sitting there waiting
it'd be awesome, and maybe it happens this year. But
that team that I watched at fourth and sixteen on Sunday,
I'm thinking this team, this team moving forward, this team's

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going to be okay. Should that get erased because of
one play? I don't think the answer is yes, And
so len, I appreciate the email. I'll forward it to
my colleagues, and I'll forward it to other people in
the local sports media. It's not moral victories. It's applying

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context in a game against a tough opponent, coming off
a week where the quarterback looked terrible. We were looking
for things that would make you believe this team's going
to be fine. I saw a lot of those things.
Need to see more on Monday, and yeah, man, because

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they lost both games, Monday feels like a must win, right, Like,
we don't want to entertain the zero to three. We
don't want to go down the rabbit hole of here's
their percentage of making the postseason azing three, Like, just
win the game and then go from there. And my
guess is they will. But I've seen and heard a
lot of conversations since Sunday night about and I've participated

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in them. I've fostered them. Encouraging performance, devastating defeat. Both
can be true at the same time, emotionally, emotionally really
really hard loss to take beyond the emotion, which sometimes
you have to strip away beyond the emotion. Do they
play a perfect football game? No? Was there a lot there? Yeah? Yeah,

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So that's not a moral victory. It's just it's applying context,
and it's also looking at the entirety of the game,
like the three hours is worth talking about, right, because
if not, then why why do this? Right? The three
hours is worth talking about, not just what happens and
what the score is at the end of those three hours.

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Within those three hours, Bengals played all right. Joe Burrow
played all right. Slightly better than alright, I would say,
and that's a step in the right direction. The team
that I watched on Sunday, understanding that Baltimore is there.
Week five, the team that I watched on Sunday will
be four and two through six games, probably play some

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close games. Margin for air is still really small. Team
that I watched on Sunday will go four and two
through the first six games, including beating Baltimore here, and
maybe that changes based on how they play on Monday,
but as of right now, I feel like this team

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is going to be four and two, and then we'll
see where they are. We'll see where they are in
relation to everybody in the division, see where they are
in relation to Buffalo and Kansas City and the Chargers,
Miami Houston, and obviously we'll see where we're there. But
before I worry about all those other teams, I needed
to see something from this one that made me feel

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like they're gonna be okay. And you could disagree with
me entirely and it's totally cool. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. I do not believe in moral victories. I
do believe in applying context. And if you do that,
I don't know how you're You're so attached to the
result that you're unwilling to acknowledge that that team on

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I am more bullish on the bear Cats today than
I was speaking of feeling good, speaking and drinking the
kool aid. You see, is less than two weeks removed
from what a lot of us thought was their worst

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loss ever. I still feel better about him today than
I did two weeks ago. You can yell and scream
at me for that if you'd like. And we got
new stadium renderings yesterday. Oh boy, stadium talk is going
to intensify in the coming weeks. I don't know what
you saw when you looked at those renderings. I'll tell
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Stay Long, come often. By the way I have I
have spent very little time on officiating, and I've been

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doing this show for quite a while and have been
on social media for quite a while, and you know,
there's a lot to maybe not be proud of. But
one of the foundational parts of this show is we
we've spent very very little time oniating. We've we spend
very little time on umpiring. We don't totally ignore it,

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and you know, within the context of the game, that's
it's always part of the process to point out a
call that a guy misses, like Trey Hendrickson being put
in a headlock multiple times while trying to get after
Patrick Mahomes on Sunday, Like do you how do you
not notice that? And so it it just it becomes
a part of the story of the game. But like

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when when my team wins and I hear someone else
complaining about the officiating, I feel like all that person
is trying to do is discredit the victory that my
team earned and make me feel bad about it. You see,
on Saturday benefited from a picked up flag. What was

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originally thrown looked like it was going to be past
interference on a key third down for you see, I
think they did the right thing by picking up the flag,
although there's a part of me who doesn't understand why
you ever pick up a flag. But whatever worked in
favor of the Bearcats, then apologize for it. Didn't feel
bad about it, And not that I know a ton
of Miami fans, but those in my life who were

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paying attention to the game, including one who was there,
spent the rest of Saturday, complaining about that flag being
picked up, and like, I understand, but but then it
becomes you know, oh, yeah, your team needed the refs,
and I just I don't know. I always find I
always find that the people on the the people who

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are always complaining about the rules, the officials, are usually
the losers. And okay, fine, in that case, my team
wasn't the loser, so what the hell do I care now?
My team was a loser on Sunday, And like, I
think that fourth and sixteen played where Dejeon Anthony committed
pass interference or was flagged for pass interference is an
interesting call to discuss because I've seen him, I've seen

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DB's play the ball that way or Buddy, I think
it was Joe Goodbarry pointed out in in Hail Mary,
situations you off and see the defensive player do exactly
what Dejean Anthony did. But by the letter of the rule,
that was a flag, that was a foul, that was
a penalty. By the way, it's not the job of
the officials to not throw the flags in the last

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two minutes. You hear this in college basketball and pro
basketball all the time. Oh, you don't blow that whistle
with two minutes to go. It's not the job of
the official. The job of the official is to enforce
the rules. And so, like I thought, it was a penalty.
And if you disagree that, that's okay, that's a matter
of interpretation. And maybe you see something that I don't.

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What I can't do, and what I've never been able
to do is go down this rabbit hole of conspiracy
and the league being fixed and the league is out
to get the Bengals, like I can't. I can't participate
in it. Why am I bringing it up because I
was asked today why we haven't spent any time on it. Well,

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first of all, everybody else has number two, Like if
if you want to discuss the call itself. I've seen
people who I trust and and and think are really
smart who have disagreed about whether or not a flag
should have been thrown on fourth and sixteen. Again, I
think it should have. I don't have a problem with
it being a flagged uh, And my issues with what

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happened on fourth and six sixteen have less to do
with the flag being thrown and whether or not it
should have and what lou and Remo chose to do
with his personnel. But okay, that's a matter of it's subjective.
Perhaps we could agree to disagree where where where I
can't I can't participate, and where on an increasing basis,
I just get exasperated. Is the non Stop are out

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to get us? It's a conspiracy? Uh, They're they just
want to They just want the Chiefs to win. Like,
if you really believe that, if that's where you are,
if you really believe that, you wouldn't watch on Sundays,
And if you if you really believed that the league
was not scripting the games but fixing them, influencing their outcome,

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then it would be professional wrestling. Now, there's obviously a
lot of people who love professional wrestling, but like, do
you get that emotionally wound up in the outcome of
matches knowing that they are predetermined? Probably not the same
way you do a game that doesn't have an outcome
that's predetermined. I just if you felt it was fixed,

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you felt like the league was out to get the Bengals,
if you felt like the outcome was predetermined, you wouldn't like,
you wouldn't be geared up to watch on Monday, you
wouldn't have watched the game this past Sunday. And so
it's been been interesting. And I started the show by
talking about an email with someone who you know, said,
we're we meaning a lot of this are given the
Bengals too much the past and accepting moral victories, and

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I don't believe that. I've also been told that we
haven't been talking enough about the officials, because that's for
the most part, and there are exceptions, that's not what
we do now. Again, I think there's a difference between
talking about a call and its merit, or what to
do with an official or an umpire who's simply not
very good, or ways to make officiating better. I'm sort

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of anti replay, but it has felt like and it
feels like this happens all the time in this sport,
not just here, that it's never just hey, look the
ref saw it this way, I saw it this way.
It turns into these conversations about bias and fixing, conspiracy,

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and I just don't think. I don't think those things
are very productive and don't think those things are very
fun to talk about and I have found in my
experience at least that when someone decides, hey, that the
league is out to get this team or the league
is doing what it can to help this team, that
person typically can't be convinced. And so what's the point
in engagement? Had to get that off my chest. Twenty

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that game was I was not that game on Saturday night.
The atmosphere to start was awesome, the game was. The
game was weird, Like as the game unfolded, you certainly
knew you were watching two rivals, and you were watching
two teams very high up on the table in the
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that had some playoff implications with Columbus trailing Cincinnati by
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that shoulder injury. It's bad news for a team that
is dealing with, you know, quite frankly, more at least
as many question marks than answers in regards to the
starting rotation. And this was the case before last night.

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But maybe this enhances the point the projected at least
the pitchers that you project to have a chance to
be in the starting rotation next year are a collection
of guys who individually have not gotten through a full
big league season. And if the idea next season is

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to get to the playoffs, advance in the playoffs, maybe
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for your low sports headlines. I talked yesterday. We had

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Scott Saderfield audio Chad Brendall tomorrow right around this time
on UC Bearcats hosting Houston on Saturday afternoon. Brendan Soaresby
was on since he three to sixty earlier today. You
can go get that on the iHeartRadio app. So coming
into the Pittsburgh game, I was it was a little

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bit apprehensive because still a lot of unknowns, and you know,
if if they don't beat pitt and don't beat Miami,
first of all, the conversation is not going to be
so much about football. It's going to be more about
the coach. But with so many unknowns and an ACC
school coming to town, and then I think a good

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MAC team on the road, a Miami program that beat
UC last year, those felt like quin flip games. And
the points breads for both those games were pretty damn close.
They felt like quin flip games. And if the Bengals
did or the Bengals the the Bearcats didn't win them,
then you know we're gonna feel pretty crappy about their
Big Twelve chances. So obviously we know what happened against Pitt.

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I think it's honestly the worst UC loss I've ever seen,
you see football loss I've ever seen. I've seen them
lose more lopside of games. I've seen them lose games
that have more riding on them. I don't think I've
ever seen anything like that. Twenty one points at home,
foreign change to go in the third quarter. Pitt is okay,
Eli Holstein played well, laid against West Virginia and they

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still to me look like a middle of the pack
ACC team. But yeah, emotionally, just devastating, gut punch loss.
But again this comes back to applying context. The part
of the season that matters most is the Big Twelve schedule.
That's where the nine of the twelve games are. I
feel pretty good about them. I don't think they can

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win a Big Twelve championship. I don't think we're talking
about a team that's gonna win ten or eleven games
or be in the conversation to make the playoff. But
if you went to the season thinking the goal is realistic,
goal is six to seven wins, the team that I've
watched for most of the twelve quarters they've played can
accomplish those things. Can accomplish six or seven victories, maybe

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maybe even eight. Now, the Pittsburgh game was terrible, and
there were so many different moments where you could very
fairly second guess gott Saderfield, and so many different things
in that game that compelled a lot of us to
question coaching and talk about the future of the program.
But I think if you take a step back and
look at just how they've played for two and a

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half quarters against Pittsburgh, they were really really good for
much of the afternoon. Against Miami, they were really good. Now,
they weren't flawless. Had two different defensive possessions where they
were up by fourteen, a chance to not necessarily put
the game away, but at least put themselves in a
position to put the game away, and they couldn't do it.
They had a penalty with a touchdown called back. They

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had a touchdown that ended up not being a touchdown
because Joe Royer fumbled. But I thought for the most
part they played okay, and then you look at what
their biggest asset is. I think the biggest asset is
the combination of quarterback, wide receiver, running backs and tight
end that I think a lot of schools in the
Big twelve would like to have. And obviously that soars me.

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It's Corey Kiner, it's Evin pryor Xavier Henderson, and it's
Joe Royer. Defensively, we knew what their issues were going
to be coming into the season. I'd still not entirely
sure the three three five is a great fit for
the personnel they have. But you know, we had Scott
Sadderfield on the show in mid August and I asked
him about the run defense and I said, is that
your biggest concern? And he said, without any hesitation, answer

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is yes. I feel like though, that the way they've
played for most of their twelve quarters has laid a
foundation for them to start the Big Twelve with a
couple of wins. And if they do that well, if
the reasonable expectation was get to six or seven wins,

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that's doable, that's possible. I'm actually a little bit more
bullish on them today than I was two weeks ago
before the Pittsburgh game, and that takes into account how
the Pittsburgh game went down. Now, again, I'm not entirely
sure I trust this team to close out games against
good teams nurse leads, things of that nature. But how

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they've played and how they've how they've looked what they have,
a very good offensive line at least run blocking, two
good backs, good wide receiver, NFL tight end, quarterback who's
got some arm talent. It's a pretty good place to start,
especially if you're trying to come back after being three
to nine last year. So I asked this about the Bengals.

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Is is it worth wiping away everything that you would
have said had they won the game just because they
didn't and couldn't get off the field on fourth and sixteen.
And if you've watched UC play and you see some
of these things, and again, they're not a perfect team
by any stretch. Teams are gonna run up and down
against them, and that's really gonna happen in the Big twelve,

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where there's a lot of really good running offenses. But
you've if you've watched how they've played for ten and
a half of their twelve quarters, the team that you've
watched can't have some success in the Big twelve. I
think it can, and I've had more visual evidence to

(31:29):
go by since two weeks ago, which was before the
Pittsburgh game. The Pittsburgh game again, awful loss. Still not
sure I've completely recovered from it, but I like how
they played for two and a half quarters, Like how
they've played for ten and a half of the twelve
quarters they've played this season. Thirteen away from four o'clock.

(31:51):
Your phone calls are coming up. We had stadium renderings yesterday,
new modern stuff put out there. Who knows if what
we've seen via renderings is going to reflect reality because
the price tag is quite high. I have thoughts. I'll
share him with you. Coming up at four h five
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Make Hollywood Caauseino

(32:12):
Lauren is going on in baseball. Sho Heo Tani is
trying to become the first player with fifty home runs
and fifty stolen bases in the same season. He homerned
last night. On the year, he has forty eight homers,
he has forty eight stolen bases. There are what ten

(32:34):
to eleven games remaining in the season. He is the
biggest star in the sport. He is trying to do
something that has never been accomplished. He plays for a
huge market team, prestigious franchise. He's going to be in
the postseason, and no one cares. I don't say that
to be critical. You care about whatever you want to
care about. Right there's lots of great things happening in

(32:57):
baseball right now. But like if you, if you ever needed,
I guess evidence that this is a very regional sport.
If that's Ellie Dayler Cruz and he's going fifty to fifty,
that's it's not all we're talking about, but we're talking
about it a lot. If this is a guy doing
this thirty years ago, and I know there's language, and
he's not an American born player, and I understand all that.

(33:20):
But if this is thirty years ago and there's a
dude going for fifty to fifty, it's being talked about
at least a little. It's not being talked about at all.
Your baseball right your biggest star, your best player, is
aiming for something historic that some might have argued was
never going to happen. It can't get any traction whatsoever.

(33:41):
And it ain't like the guy plays in some anonymous
city on a team that's not going anywhere. He's aiming
for fifty to fifty and I think he gets it.
It's four minutes away from four o'clock. Did you see
what I saw when I looked at the stadium renderings?
Next on ESPN fifteen thirty, this report.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Excuting prime time.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Borrow spikes the ball in the back of the outside o.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Boro and his Bengo spiked for win number one. What
they clashed with Washington's Comans.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Sixty three yards?

Speaker 4 (34:11):
The magic is bad.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Ready for a Monday night slubber Yeah from a Corse station.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Tresam Tamahawk chops up to.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
The ground, and Or and Dave Lackman have the whole line.
Coverage starts Monday at.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Free executed two perfect check.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
From ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I tried four at before. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
M O Eggers an x sweet here. Won't know if
there's an update on the missing twenty five bucks. I
lost twenty five bucks at work today, Not like I
didn't major it. Yeah, So I'm sitting at my desk
about one o'clock and I was starving and I didn't

(34:52):
have a lot of time, and so I couldn't go anywhere.
So I'm gonna go downstairs. We have a deli. I'm
gonna go get a sandwich. And I had twenty five
dollars in my pocket. And I know that. I know
that because I bought a cup of coffee across the
street yesterday, because I had to stop in yesterday before

(35:12):
I went to Buffalo Wild Wings. And I used all
my singles. I had a five and a twenty. That's
one of my walking around money, right, And so I
go downstairs, I reach my gone, Gone, I knew it
was in there. Gone, come back upstairs. I mean my
bank card and stuff. So, yes, Taran, if you see
twenty five bucks laying around, it's mine. It's a twenty

(35:33):
and a five. Any other denominations not mine? Understood?

Speaker 3 (35:37):
And you think today, with being a National Cheeseburger Day,
nobody could bring us cheeseburgers.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, it's National Cheeseburger Day. A thousand cheeseburger joints in town.
We can't find somebody to bring us a cheeseburger. Buffalo
Wild Wings yesterday I had one. Today they're doing buy one,
get one free. Can beat up, send us some burgers
make up for me losing twenty five bucks one right
down the street. I mean, like it's one thing to
gamble and lose twenty five bucks. It's one thing to

(36:02):
spend twenty five bucks on something stupid. It's something else
to just lose it. It just it that happens very
rarely to me, but when it does. I don't carry
huge I'm not built Cunningham. I don't carry huge wads
of cash around twenty five bucks. It's bothered me all
day long, all day long. So no, I don't have
an update on the missing twenty five it's around. It's

(36:24):
in this building, and I did. I went and looked
at my car. I looked at my work bag. It's
it's I mean, it's probably in someone's pocket now. But no,
the twenty five bucks is there's nothing more annoying than
losing cash. And like I don't see I'm gonna get
people will put your wallet. I don't really carry a wallet.
I carry like a I got like a a strap

(36:47):
with a bottle opener and then my cards around it.
I don't like carrying. I don't like a lot of
stuff in my pockets. But no, there's no cash in
there either. So there you go. If you were wondering,
thank you, thank you for the tweet. We have to
come up with a pole question here in just a bit. Yesterday,
architects and designers offered a proposal on updates to the

(37:09):
venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium at the Hamilton
County Commissioner's meeting. The I'm reading this from Channel five.
The design proposal being unveiled as part of a continued
discussion on what the stadium will look like and the
cost to maintain over the next couple of years. The

(37:30):
renovation proposal is one point two five billion dollars. That's
that's the price tag. Now understand this is kind of
like my wife and I. We we moved about what
a year a little bit more a little bit less
than a year and a half ago. We bought the
home she grew up in on the West Side, and

(37:52):
we did that, and then we we had some we
had some ideas for stuff we were going to do
to the outside, to the patio. We're gonna do a
fire pit and all sorts of other stuff. And so
a guy comes out and he gives us, as he
put it, his good better best design plans proposals, and like,

(38:13):
the first one that I look at is the best,
and it's tricked out. There's all sorts of stuff, and
I looked at it and I'm like, man, that is
really really cool. What's gonna cost? And then he told
me what was gonna cost. It's like, yeah, we're not
doing that. We're just gonna put in the fire pit.
That's good, thank you. So, I mean this is kind
of like that, right, it's a proposal. It's like somebody

(38:36):
coming to your house. They're gonna redo your kitchen, and
you're really excited about what the kitchen design proposal looks like.
And then he asks what's it going to cost? And
they tell you and it's like, yeah, you know what,
we'll just paint the cabinets. So it's not that dissimilar. So,
but the renderings look great, beautiful, modern, beautiful on the river, uh, contemporary,

(39:02):
easy to access, like looks just awesome. Modern facility is
gonna look unbelievable on the riverfront, gonna look incredible on television,
looks great. You know what I saw though, And I

(39:23):
know there's a chance you get mad at me for
saying this. You know what I saw. I saw a
stadium that's gonna squeeze more people out. Like we've known
for a while that there's gonna be a time when
massive upgrades to the stadium are a part of our conversation.

(39:45):
And if not massive upgrades, then maybe a new stadium.
And then along with that, who's gonna pay for it?
And I remember the mid nineties very very well. I
remember January of ninety six. I remember the state vote.
I remember all of the handwringing about how much money
taxpayers were going to have to foot. I remember all

(40:08):
the discussions about where the Red Stadium was gonna go.
A really sort of tough time and it got to
be exhausting. I remember that. But I remember seeing the
first rendering of what was known then as Paul Brown Stadium.
Now that came against the backdrop of me only knowing
Riverfront Stadium as the Bengals home, which, as much as

(40:30):
Riverfront had its own charms, was a dump and it
wasn't modern, and it was cookie cutter and it didn't
have much character, and you know, everybody kind of just
let the place go and it's last year's and it
didn't have luxury suites, which the Bengals had to have,
and so there was maybe not so much in need.

(40:53):
But nobody was really sad to see the Bengals move
out of Riverfront Stadium. They had to share it, like
all right, So you knew that. You also knew the
Bengals talked kind of openly about leaving. Nobody wants to
admit that now, but I'm old enough to remember the
Bengals flirting with moving to Baltimore before well the Browns

(41:16):
actually did. And so when we saw here's what the
stadium is going to look like, and we're getting the stadium,
and you know, we've got to pay for it. I
lived in northern Kentucky and was going to school in
Dayton at the time, so it really wasn't going to
be my money. But all that the stadium renderings came out,
the stadium got built, and it was against the backdrop
of understanding that where they used to play stunk and

(41:38):
was outmoded, and also, well, the team was gonna move,
and so we built the stadium and we kept our team,
and the Bengals didn't have their own space. And now
they do, and they don't have to go practice at
Spinny Field, and they don't have to share the ballpark
with the Reds, and so all that's good. But also
like when that stadium got built, it didn't feel like

(42:01):
a place and wasn't a place that regular people couldn't
afford to go to. Almost thirty years later. It's not
that the renderings aren't awesome, and it's not that I
wouldn't do everything I can to go check out the
new amenities. I understand keeping up with the Joneses, so

(42:22):
to speak, I really really do. By the way I've
I've evolved a lot in this one minor way I've
gone from, you know, when I was a kid and
they built a stadium, like, dude, taxpayers should pay for everything,
And then years later taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for anything.
And now I think it's reasonable to negotiate and expect

(42:42):
the Bengals to pay their affair share. And I also
think there's something about the public investment in something that
the public does get something out of. But I also
think there's something about negotiating a deal that's a little
bit less one sided than the one for the last
twenty five years has been, so I think it's going
to be interesting to hear the discussions about who pays
for what. And I know how the Bengals negotiate. I

(43:03):
certainly think the Bengals should pay for a lot. Should
they have to pay for the whole thing, negotiate, that's
that's what these parties do. But for me at least,
then again, I can only speak for myself, and you
could have an entirely different perspective, and it's more than welcome.
I looked at those renderings and I saw a place

(43:23):
that fewer regular people are going to be able to
go to, which for me, I'll be honest with you,
dampens my excitement. Like I looked at I looked at
some of those renderings, I saw plays for a lot
of folks who are very well healed to be able
to hang out and enjoy a football game, Which meant

(43:43):
that the enthusiasm for what I saw yesterday wasn't close
to the enthusiasm for what I've seen for other proposed
and real stadium upgrades. And when the stadium was first
designed back in the late nineties, and like, let's be honest,
and if this is not a criticism Bengals tickets cost more,
costs more to good to sporting events, cost more to

(44:05):
good to NFL games when the team is competitive and
popular and good. And the Bengals have set their prices
according to demand and that's their prerogative and it's working
because they've got a season ticket waiting list. But you know,
cost a lot more to good to a Bengals game,
costs a lot more to do a lot of things
right now. And the one point two five billion dollars,
let's say that's exactly what is spent. Let's say that

(44:28):
the renderings reflect exactly what is done. We don't think
some of that cost is going to be passed on
to us. And the more it does, the fewer regular
people can go. And again I don't say this as
a criticism. It's not you got to be modern, got
to be forward thinking, got to be contemporary, Gotta do
something that's functional but esthetically pleasing, got to make better

(44:50):
use of that space near the stadium. I'm none of
this is a criticism, But for me, like everybody's getting
excited about it yesterday and all I saw was a
place that I think fewer and fewer people will be
able to afford to go that. It just renderings like that,
and they're just renderings. Don't scream in an in an
era where going to games is more expensive than ever,

(45:12):
Renderings like that don't scream. Yeah uh, you know, dude
on a middle class income who might take a son
or daughter to a game or two a year, is
going to go splurge and see the Bengals and check
out all the new modern amenities. And for me, at least,
that that kind of cuts into the enthusiasm. It's going

(45:34):
to be a more expensive place to go, it's going
to be a more expensive place to watch a game.
And again, this is more just how I take it
in and I'm certainly not saying that the Bengals should
build a stadium and make a dumpy and not have

(45:55):
modern amenities. And I don't expect them to to not
make everything look really cool and high end. And I
get where the sports in person experience is going. Where
there's a premium on club seating, private party areas. I
guess there's gonna be a nightclub. Taran wants to be
the DJ in the nightclub. It's just all right, we'll

(46:17):
see what we can do.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
It.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Just I looked at that and said, that's that's going
to be a place where fewer and fewer regular people
are going to have access to And that's the difference
between now in ninety six. Ninety six I looked at
it and said, can't wait to go there. Yeah, there's
luxury suites. Regular person's not being squeezed out. Regular person's
already being squeezed out of pro sports. That just might

(46:42):
be how it is and whatever, we'll all adjust. But
in my little corner of the earth, as I'm watching
people salivate over the renderings and thinking about what it
may look like and debate who's going to pay it?
Number One, people who are going to pay for it
are a tax payers, be customers to the Cincinnati Bengals.

(47:07):
Those prices are going to be more expensive than I
think anybody realizes. That is totally fine, but understanding that
dampen my enthusiasm a little bit. Yesterday seventeen after four o'clock.
I know that's not going to be a popular take

(47:31):
online in certain corners. And none of this is not
being critical. It just I looked at it yesterday and
I'm like, Wow, that's neat. How many people are going
to be able afford to go check any of that
stuff out on game day. Not as many as was
the case when we flip through what the renderings were
back in the late nineties. We are getting closer and

(47:53):
closer to college basketball season. The women's coach at you see,
Katrina Meriweather, joins us next to ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Thirty on the official home of the Bengals. Cincinnati's ESPN
fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Starred Skinner in one hour on the Bengals. The University
of Cincinnati women's basketball program released its non conference schedule
for the upcoming season just yesterday. They're going to have
six home games inside Fifth Third Arena. They've also got
the inaugural Atlantic Slam WN Charlton Prince Edward Island, Canada.

(48:31):
The Bearcats have a two Canadian players on the squad.
Katrina Merriweather getting said for a year two running the
UC women's basketball program and always kind enough to give
us a few minutes. Coach, It's it's good to have you.
Good afternoon. How are you.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
I'm doing great, Thanks for having me on. How you doing.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I'm doing really well. I remember talking with you right
around this time a year ago, and obviously you were
you were getting set for your first season at UC
and you couldn't wait. You know, every coach can't wait
to to get on the practice floor, get the season started.
That sort of thing With you, there was I think
a little extra excitement because of how hectic the previous
few months have been. It being year one with the

(49:11):
school moving into the Big twelve. Do me a favor
and compare kind of where you are in that regard
right now as opposed to a year ago.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Well, I would like to tell you that I feel
a little more comfortable, but our reality is that we
now have four new teams and have lost two of
the teams from last year. So where we were anticipating
a little bit of comfort, it has become uncomfortable in
almost the same way. But we're always up for the challenge,
and we feel good about being stretched and our team
being challenged, and you know, we're just you control the controllables,

(49:43):
but not quite as predictable as I had hoped it
would be about this time this year.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, I mean a little bit different, just given the
fact that you're you're not moving into I mean, it's
a program obviously you're very familiar with, but a year
ago you're moving into a new job. It's different this year.
Is it a little bit easier getting ready for the
season just because you're not dealing with all that?

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (50:04):
I think that all of us, me and my staff
included just having this familiarity with where we live and
all the nuances of starting a new job. We have
quite a few returners that I think are comfortable with
our system, even though we're doing some different things. And
then we brought in some more experienced players along with
one true freshman and Chloe Man, and so we think

(50:27):
that practice is also a lot smoother than it was
this time of year ago.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah, you mentioned you bring in three transfers and refreshmen
on top of all your returning players, and you talk
about doing new and different things. What things can your
team do when the season starts this year as opposed
to a year ago.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Yeah, I think you're just going to see a lot
more freedom. But there were some things that we implemented
last year. We felt like we had to prepare non
conference to go into the Big Twelve. It's willing to
make sure that things were as simplified as possible, just
to give everybody a a chance to play. And I
think now what we're doing is a little more positionless offensively,

(51:08):
and I think that the freedom that the players feel
has been fun. And the returners seem to be just
a lot more comfortable and relaxed, and they know what
the expectations are. And even one of our transfers in
particular in todaya Hilton, she han't played in the SEC,
knows this level of competition and that helps us look

(51:28):
a lot better at this point also, and.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
You could revolve everything around something that is becoming at
least a little bit more of a rarity in this
era of college athletics, and that's a fifth year player.
It's been a part of the program the entire time.
Of course, I'm talking about Jillian Hayes and just watching
her progress year in year out, even before you got
here obviously, has been a lot of fun. Give us

(51:52):
an idea of what you expect from her in year five.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
Yeah, her leadership has been phenomenal. To watch how she
has continued to grow in the last year has been
really fun for all of us. She's a pleasure to
coach because she does everything you ask her to do.
She works really hard, and she's extremely competitive, and so
she demands a lot of herself and a lot of
from her teammates, and she always sets the standard when

(52:16):
she walks to the gym. She's gonna be tough, she's
gonna play hard, she's gonna rebound that ball, be gritty,
and we're really excited to watch her play because we
feel like she's grown offensively as well, adding some things
to her game, and we're excited for everybody to see that.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I mentioned Katrina Meriweather is with us. Your program's gonna
play in an MTE in Canada? You have two Canadian players?
Is that the motivation behind it? What goes into finding
a good MTE to play in?

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Yeah, I think that there's a few things. One, getting
an opportunity to expose players to different parts of our
country as well as outside the country, of course is
always a plus. Is you you want to talk to
them and teach them about different cultures and different people.
And then to have two Canadians on our team, we

(53:08):
were in essence taking them. You want to stay home,
but Canada is the huge country and neither one of
them are are particularly close to print times.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
But I do think that they can.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Appreciate just being in Canada. Allows some unique opportunities from
an io perspective as well.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, it is. It is funny how we talk about
Canada that way. This is and I you and I
talked about this. I think that the day or the
day after you were you were introduced as the head
coach at you See women's basketball, and I said it
then I'll say, now is having a moment at the
collegiate level and at the professional level. It's it's grown
in popularity to an extent that is awesome and to

(53:49):
a degree that I thought we'd never see. And so
I guess my question is what is it like as
somebody who's been a lifer in this sport watching it
grow to the point that it has. What opportunities does
that present specifically for your program?

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Yeah, I think it's the visibility. I think that just
the idea that we have so many different options to
stream games, so many ways to watch people play. You
don't always have to be in the building. And we've
talked about that a lot. As a staff is taking
advantage of making sure that we're out in the community,
making sure that we are making connections in the area

(54:27):
that stills over to the people who come in and
support us in the arena, but also the ones that
when they can't make it into an arena, they they
will get on ESPN and watch us play. And I
think that that's what we're seeing in the WNBA as
well as college is you just have people who are
interested and people are telling their individual stories, and we
have that attachment in women's basketball, and I think that's

(54:48):
a little different, you know than maybe some of the
other sports, where you have fans that are really connected
to individuals, whether it's their college journey or their journey
in the WNBA, and it just widens the fan base.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
It's it's something to behold. It really is. I know
this is where you have to be careful, but I
got to bring it up because I follow I follow recruiting,
and so I know, you you're limited in what you
could say about, you know, the class beyond twenty twenty four,
but I know you can speak to the momentum you
guys are enjoying because it's it's really been it's really

(55:22):
been cool to watch.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Well.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
I think that what we will everyone is seeing in
what's going on is that it's always going to be
people that make a place, you know, and we have
tremendous support in our administration. There are a lot of
stakeholders around here that want to see us do well.
Then the people that I'm around every day, my staff,
are support staff. Whenever anyone is asked to do anything.

(55:46):
We keep the student athlete at the center of all
of that. We talk a lot about keeping the main
thing the main thing, and as all as we focus
on these young people and make sure that they're having
a good experience, I think that word spreads. I think
our reputation in this reion in general is very strong
in regards to how we treat people. And then, of
course the basketball takes care of itself whenever you get

(56:08):
people to buy into what your vision is, and I
think we've been able to do that as a whole.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah, the momentum is certainly moving forward. I cannot thank
you enough for doing this. I hope we can do
it occasionally during the season. Thank you so much. Best
of luck this year.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Man.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Thank you so much for having me look ford to
talking to you against So.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
We will do it. Katrina Meriweather getting said for a
year or two at the University of Cincinnati, gotta be
careful talking about recruiting, but I think she handled that well.
Good stuff. Sean Kilpatrick. By the way, among a loaded
UC Hall of Fame class going in on Friday night,

(56:49):
sk is going to join us coming up tomorrow, five forty.
I believe top five all time favorite Bearcat ske He's
on that list. He's in the pantheon and uh looking
forward to having him tomorrow with five forty. Appreciate Katrina
Merriweather's time. Five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty.
We will get to some phone calls here coming up,

(57:13):
But first, a pair of Bengals defensive tackles are dealing
with hamstring injuries. Uh, there's the two a tang of
iloa discussion. Isaiah pa Checko's get a fractured fibuli but
still may play. There's so much to discuss with our
expert from Orthosincy, doctor Matt Dejarnan. He'll join us next
on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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(58:04):
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The Pro Football Hall of Fame nominees for the Class
of twenty twenty five. The new players up for consideration
include Eli Manning, Luke Keikley Saying, x, Terrell Suggs, Adam Vinieri.

(58:24):
Hall announced one hundred and sixty seven modern era candidates
for the class on Wednesday. That includes sixteen players nominated
for the first time. There are ten players back under
consideration who were finalists a year ago, including Willie Anderson. Meanwhile,
the Reds and Braves again tonight. A gabp Jacob Junas
is on the hill for Cincinnati Rads win last night,

(58:47):
come from behind win Spencer's I almost caught him Spencer
Spear Spencer Steer a big two run bomb to give
the Reds the lead. Cincinnati looking to make it to
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(59:14):
Tonight's first pitch is at seven forty and you'll hear
every single syllable live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Spencer Schwellenbach
will throw for Atlanta FC Cincinnati Soccer to night the
Orange and Below on the road against Minnesota. Pregame at
eight and that game will start at a thirty. By
the way, one other red's note to no one's surprise, Unfortunately,

(59:37):
Brandon Williamson goes on the injured list with left elbow
strain after coming out of last night start. Lefty Brandon
Leebrand has been called up from Louisville. We do this
every single Wednesday, we talk injuries with one of the
experts from Orthos. Since the great thing about Orthos Sincy
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with us from Ortho, Sinsey. Bengals had two defensive tackles
leave the game on Sunday, both with hamstring injuries. I'm

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gonna start with this and admit it might be a
little bit of a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway.
You have defensive tackles who aren't asked to run long distances,
and then you have wide receivers like t Higgins who's
dealing with a hamstring issue. He's asked to run long distances.
Does that have any bearing on how this particular injury
is treated?

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
You know, they're really not. The treatment options for the
hamstring pulls are really similar no matter your size or position.
So initially it's a little bit of relative rest and
some local treatment, you know, the usuals, like stretching. They'll
start im working on some strengthening exercises early. The biggest
thing with hamstring injuries mode it's very difficult to predict

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the right time to return back to full play because
there's such a risk of re injury.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
So that's really what it comes down to, and that's
where some of the position.

Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
Might make a difference. So for example, the wide receivers
who do a lot of sprinting, it can be a
little slower for them to return versus maybe some of
the power positions, like the interior linemen, they potentially can
get back a little bit sooner.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Does the grade of the injury have any correlation to
where specifically the injury is, maybe close to the knee,
maybe somewhere mid hamstring, or closer to the buttocks.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
So the closer you are to the tendon part of
the hamstring, the slower the recovery. So if it's closer
up to the buttocks where the hamstring attaches, those can
be quite slow and difficult to recover. Much more favorable
to have an injury in the mid portion of the hamstring,
where the muscle belly is. Those tend to do a

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lot better much eat here recovery.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Is there are there hamstring issues that you see arise
where all right, there's some pain, but it's it's benign
enough that you'll recommend the athlete go ahead and just
try to work through it and stay in competition.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Yeah, So the mid.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
Muscle belly ones can be like that. If it's a
lower grade injury where they're function levels pretty high. They're
able to get up the speed pretty quick, and it's
more mildly bothersome. Those are some that you can work
through that happens, you know, every week in a high
school setting and a collegiate setting, even at the NFL setting.
Stuff that you don't even hear about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I want to talk about a player who plays the
same position but hasn't played yet. Chris Jenkins, a rookie
from Michigan. Right before the season starts, he has thumb surgery,
and the word was, look, he could maybe play as
soon as week two. That didn't happen. They're obviously thin
at that position, so there's an increased spotlight on him.
I guess take me through how it's possible to go
from the operating to to the field with this specific

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injury in such a short amount of time.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
You know, I'm not sure what the specific injury is.
There's not a lot of public information on that. The
one thing that I could think of about the thumb is,
no matter what they did to it, a lot of
times you can protect it with specific bracing or casting.
And so I'm speculating, of course, but if they did
a procedure that was relatively minor and felt like they

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could protect it as alignment and a cast or a brace.
Maybe that's sort of the angle on it, but it's
hard to know exactly what was done.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I guess what it's worth asking what type of thumb
injuries typically require surgery.

Speaker 6 (01:03:41):
So the most common one from a sports standpoint, is
something called the on the collateral ligament sprain. There's a
couple of different names for it, but it's a tear
of the ligament at the base of the inside of
the thumb, and that's one of the common injuries where
an athlete might have to have surgery for something like that.
If it's just healing up kind of loose, we'd be
to tighten it up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I want to ask about a player who was, unfortunately
from our standpoint, terrific against the Bengals on Sunday, Isaiah Pacheco,
a running back who then fractured his fibula, and so
he's going to miss six to eight weeks. Well, what's
interesting is I hear about the injury and my first
thought is he's not going to play this year, but
they're still allowing for the possibility that he comes back,
maybe within eight weeks. How does that happen?

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
Yeah, So the fibula is the smaller of the two
bones in the lower leg, so it doesn't bear as
much weight as the larger bone, the shin bone or
the tibia. And if it's a pretty simple fracture, something
we might refer to as a direct blow, like maybe
he took a knee or a cleat right to the
fibula and it cracks a little bit. If it's really

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well lined up in all the ligament structures in the
ankle and the knee air intact, you basically throw it
in a boot and let it heal and he'll be
rehabbing along the way, and the healing time's not terrible.
So that's something where a player could come back in
the same season. Not a big injury necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Doctor Matt djaron And from Orthosinsia is with us. While
I have you as a medical professional online, I want
to talk about what I think is the biggest injury
in the sport right now, and that's a head injury.
A concussion to a tiger. I looa Miami Dolphins who
is just unfortunately he keeps getting these concussions. It's his
third one he has missed five games due to concussion

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back in twenty twenty two, and so there's a long
list of commentators, players, former players, his former college coach
Nick Saban advising that he hanging up. I'm more interested
in somebody with a medical background, even if it's not
specifically concussions. As you kind of take in this debate,
what do you.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
Think, Yeah, so this is a really really complex decision
making on the front end. The NFL for concussion protocol
is really designed to help guide medical professionals in terms
of getting the athlete back in the near term, you know,
a couple games later, or a game later or that season.

(01:06:03):
The protocol is really not designed to make complex decisions
such as, hey, this is your third big injury in
two or three years, or hey you're having really lingering symptoms.
Those are very complicated decisions dealing with the player's career. Obviously,
it has a lot to do with contracts and a
lot to do with life back to the NFL. So

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those are really individual to involve the player, the player's
family probably agents, multiple medical recommendations on it, or really
really complicated decision making.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
You know, I guess you know, Tua has has access
to world class medical care, unlimited resources. You see concussions
at the youth level, at the high school level, and
you know, look, I mean, obviously high school athletes are
cared for now better maybe than they ever have been.
But it obviously is a little bit different when you're

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talking about concussions at that level. Do you ever get
to a point where you, at least in football, advise
a kid that maybe not play.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
Absolutely, absolutely. There's a couple of things that you really
look for along that line. So obviously multiple injuries is
the obvious one, but if there's a couple other things,
such as if the athlete is slower to recover with
each injury, that could be a warning sign. The other
one would be the concussions come with less of an impact.

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That's also a warning sign that the brain is getting
more and more vulnerable, just like could happen with any
other body part. So if you see that pattern in
the setting of multiple injuries, it would be good medicine
to consider that athlete retiring from a collision based sport
or high risk activity.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Awesome expertise, as always, thank you so much. We'll do
it again soon, doctor. Do you appreciate it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
You are welcome, Thank you awesome.

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baseball note, the National League Central has been decided. The
Milwaukee Brewers, without playing today they played tonight, have officially
clinched the NL Central. The Cubs have just lost at
home to the Oakland Athletics by a score of five

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to three, and so with that Chicago loss. The Milwaukee
Brewers are yet again, yet again NL Central champions their
season this year, and it's been something that we have
talked about a lot. They have used seventeen different starting pitchers.
They have lost Christian Yelich for the season. Devin Williams

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didn't throw a pitch until late July. They traded away
Corman Burns this offseason, which I don't understand. They lost
their manager, and yet they ran away and hid from
the rest of the pack in the NL Central. And
you know, it's their second consecutive division title. They've now
won three out of the last four years four going

(01:10:45):
back to twenty eighteen. They were built this season to
withstand some of the injury issues they had. They've figured
out how to get it done despite all the injuries
to their starting staff, and I think they're gonna be
a tough out. I think LA and Philadelphia are half
wrong ahead of those guys. By the way, Frankie Montas
pitched two nights ago and threw okay, He's been fine

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for them. And that Milwaukee team has a lot of
really good young players. South Freelick is what twenty three
to twenty four years old. Jackson Churio is not even
twenty one yet. Bryce Terrang the catcher Contreras, who's very
good having an excellent season's twenty six years old. I mean,
there's we talk about like well that the NL central's

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not that good. That team has a chance to be
very good for quite a while they win the National
League Central. The Reds obviously had been eliminated from NL
Central contention. They are hanging on by a thread in
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I think a little bit yesterday, and I'm interested in
hearing Horden Lapham talk about this tonight, which I'm sure
they will. Last week was interesting because you know, Jermaine

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Burton makes his NFL preseason debut against the Buccaneers and
he plays great, right, But that's not the story. The
story is not that he played great, it's when he
played and who he was on the field with and against.
They saved him to the end of the game. They
had him out there against guys who are you know,
for the most part, not NFL players, the dudes he

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should absolutely dominate. And so the story was less about
what you see Jermaine Burton in his first NFL action
and more about, oh, he's buried. And then Joe Burrow
after the game says, perhaps quite fairly, so he's got
to get in the playbook, intimating that I don't trust him,
and yeah, he's a freak athletically, but I need more.
I need to see more. And that was that was

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kind of the story of the preseason, right Bengals would
play a game, the the last one against the Colts.
Jermaine Burton's out there balling out late in the game
against dudes who just athletically didn't even come close. But
that's not what anybody remembers. What they remember are During
the Amazon broadcast, Al Michaels and Kirk kurbsterre you talking
about him like nodding off in meetings, and so the

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narrative builds, and a narrative that felt like it was
based on things coming from the Bengals coaches, players about
not being able to trust him, about not finding him
mature enough to be able to help this team right,
and then lastly things it just it felt like things

(01:13:40):
started to change just a little bit. Suddenly Jamar Chase
is out there talking about Jermaine Burton right, which I
thought was was pretty cool. So you got the sense,
especially with T Higgins not healthy, you got the sense
that Jermaine was going to get his shot. You got
the sense that a week after the Bengals and Joe

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Burrow refused to throw the ball down the field, you
got the sense that Jermaine Burton is going to be
out there and he's going to be asked to run
a go run, straight, turn around, catch the ball, beat
his man downfield, and give this offense and dimension that
it didn't have when they played the Patriots. Well, Jermaine
did that one catch forty seven yards, ten snaps, limited reps.

(01:14:28):
That was a seed. And so what I'm interested in
moving forward, we'll find out more tomorrow about T Higgins.
Danner was with us yesterday and said he believes that T.
Higgins is going to play, But what I'm kind of curious.
Is not that Jermaine Burton is going to have the
sort of role that he has, you know, on a
weekly basis, forty snaps and he's catching four or five passes.

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But I just think in the relationship with the quarterback
and in the relationship with the team, and being somebody
that the coaching staff can feel like, all right, well,
we asked him to do this one thing, and now
we can ask him the dude a little bit more.
I think it'd be interesting to see to see where
we go from here. And you know, again, he might

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slide further back down on the depth chart the moment
the T Higgins becomes available, but there was at least
something there. And what you hope is for Jermaine's benefit,
that he grasps that moment and decides and figures out
a way to make the most of it and build
upon it and do it even better. But I thought
a bit of a seed was planted with a wide

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receiver who by all accounts has had a hard time
gaining Joe's trust making a play, because at some point
you had the sense he was going to get a chance,
but he wasn't gonna get a lot of them, and
so when he finally got that chance that he did
he earn another and on Sunday at least against the Chiefs.
The answer was yes. And I did think amid all

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the Germaine or the jama all the Jamar Chase stuff,
that the one thing that he said this past week
that didn't get nearly as much run was when he
talked publicly and quite effusively about Jermaine Burton and what
he can do and how he's coming along, and that
I think that sort of thing for a young player,
when you know what all the noise about you is,

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having a guy come out and say something like that
about you, I think is is it's pretty cool. So
we'll see more on that with Richard Skinner coming up
in just about ten minutes. At some point he was
going to get a chance, not Skinny, he's always with us.
At some point Jermaine Burton was going to get a chance,
and he got a chance on Sunday, took advantage of it,
and it was It's pretty damn cool to see. I

(01:16:40):
started the show by reading an email that I got,
and I don't get as many emails as I used
to because now everything's social media, but I like emails
with the person sending it leaves some sort of biographical
information on the email. I appreciate it. And he was
taking used lance out of the conversation and some of

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my colleagues down the hall and Tony and Austin for
buying into the concept of a moral victory. The immediate
aftermath of the game on Sunday was met with a
lot of different reactions. Many wondered out loud, okay, what
is this moral victory or devastating loss? Many have wondered, Okay,

(01:17:22):
is this encouraging performance or devastating loss? And do the
positives outweigh the big negative, which was that they lost
the football game. And when you do that, you get
accused of while you're accepting a moral victory. I do
not believe in moral victories. I do believe in context.
Within the context of that game, lots of good stuff happen.

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What's funny to me is the same people who will
get mad at you for applying context and pointing out
some good things that happened in a loss will be
the same people who NonStop talk about the bad stuff
that happens in a win. On fourth and sixteen, if
that play goes different, any number of things happen. Mahomes
throws a pick, Mahomes gets sacked, Mahomes throws an incompletion,

(01:18:08):
the ball gets knocked down, whatever it is, if if
any number of different outcomes happen on fourth and sixteen,
are we saying a bunch of nice things about the
Bengals and their performance against the Chiefs? Chances are the
answer is yes. Should all those nice things go away
just because of what happened on that one play? I

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don't think the answer is yes. It's not about moral victories.
It's about applying context. Game two, tough team. Previous week,
they looked awful offensively. Burrow specifically, I need to see more,
and I need to see something that looks like a
foundation on top of which you can build Sunday, provided

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that five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty is
our phone number. Joe Burrow was on the Rich Eye
and Show today. So is Dan Quinn, who is in
his first season with the Washington Commanders. We'll hear from
the Bengals quarterback. We'll hear from the Commander's head coach.
Coming up in just about twenty minutes. Your phone calls
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Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Mo? How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
You know what I'm doing?

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
I don't like it. I like Monday night football on Mondays.
I hate it the week leading up to it because
everything gets thrown off.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Yeah, and you can say that man for me perposely
between Sunday into the Monday, seven o'clock in the morning,
flight into go and write the take horse working Monday,
I kind of needed a couple of days to recover. Mo.
I'm too old to this kind of stuff anymore. So Yeah,
I'm with you. I'm not. And it does throw off
your week and make it walky like now, I've got

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to go in there on a Saturday and work this week.
But yeah, I kind of needed the two days arrest.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
But all right, I understand. And everything does revolve around you,
which is fine because everything revolves around me as well.
So you're going to answer the bell on Monday. Will
T Higgins be out there?

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
It's a good question we're gonna find I think tomorrow
is a big day for that. Even if he comes
back limited tomorrow, and that probably makes sense because he
hasn't practiced at all, that's a good step in the
right direction. If he doesn't go, then that's obviously either
a setback or he's not quite ready to go. So
I think tomorrow seeing him a when we get a
chance to see him, if he's in uniform, that's at

(01:20:54):
least limited. I don't think they'll push it to full.
You know, maybe you try to ramp him up on
Friday's practice to go full where you probably need at
least one of those under his belt. You know, I've
always believed and this is a Marvin thing, and and
I'll tell you Zach Taylor does the same thing a
little bit now. Usually when a guy comes back from
something like this, it's it's a ramp up week and
then he plays. But this week is so important that

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even if you got you could get a handful of
snaps out of him. I think that would be important.
I heard you and Paul Dane or yesterday talking about it.
You know the play where Yoshi dropped the pass and
you know a critical moment in the second and late
in the game. T Higgins probably makes that catch, right,
And so can I get a handful of snaps out
of that guy in critical spots? I would hope.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
So despite the forty seven yarders, does that mean that
Burton becomes the odd man out?

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
It might, And I know fans aren't gonna like to
hear that, but it just might, you know, for my money,
just because he showed you something on that route, uh,
And the fact that if you put him back out
there in the circumstances like that, defenses are gonna have
to react. You that you're gonna have to say, and
he can run right by you or you maybe rotate
his safety that way. And so maybe the odd man

(01:22:05):
out is Trent Irwin because he's not had a great
first couple of weeks, and I like Trent a ton
me squeeze everything he can out of his career to
this point. But maybe he's the odd man out. But
it wouldn't be shocking if it's your Maine, because the
only thing you can really do right now is literally
in the auto you turn him and go, yeah, here's
the play and you run deep.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
But like, but that's okay. I mean, if he's a
lead at that and I can tap into that once
or twice a game, like, that's that's a line for
now in this offense.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
No, and honestly motive to the other point again, if
you choose to cover him man or choose the cover
im press and he gets off press, he's gonna beat you.
So you may have to kind of scheam a little
bit to hey, the fast guy who doesn't do any
other than run fast down the fields in the game,
we might need to give help. And then that gives
you some other avenues to open things up. I mean,
you can't double everybody, right, So if he's on the field,
and he's on the field and to mars on the field,

(01:22:57):
can't double them all. I know, by the way, your
tight ends are just coming off most successful game maybe
in Bengals history as a group.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Yeah, and so I think I think that's where I
went to often on Sunday was watching Kasiki, watching Eric Hall,
who just looks like a guy who's going to be
a dude. You think about this offense, fully functional, everybody healthy.
Now the versatility piece comes into play, which is something
that's often talked about but we really haven't had a
chance so far to see.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
Yeah, no, right, I think that's a great point. And
then you know you had tea back to the mix
of whatever threat he is. Even if it's not one
hundred percent TEE or a TV, you're not going to
play a lot. I still think you can lean too
those two tight end sets. And I'm looking forward tomorrow.
We're gonna talk to Dan Pitcher after the walkthrough, and
I'm kind of interested to see was this a one
off game with it because it was just Kansas City
and you know, your other wide receivers other than Jamar

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didn't do a whole lot in the opener and you're
looking for other avenues or was this legitimately a hey,
we've got some weapons there. If we put Gasiki and
all on the field, you know, mixture sample in there
just in the backfield. We had all in the backfield
lining up in as a as a fullback a few times.
I thought it really I thought it showed that this
offense has a lot of versatility to it, and getting
the T Higgins back in the mix certainly helps that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Can they slip the distribution numbers? With Zach Maws and
Chase Brown.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
Question because we then last week of or feeling even
split and he said, I still look at it as
even split and it really wasn't again right And Chase
had some explosive runs in Sunday's game. I thought he
looked really good. I thought he made some really good
cuts and it's still everything he makes that cut and

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makes a guy missed. You're thinking he can take it
a long way, and I still think that's there. I
did think mo they tried to get him involved in
the screen game when we watched walk through on Friday.
Usually we don't get a chance to see them due
a whole lot before they kick us out of practice,
but it looked like they were running a ton of
screen game, well ampule of screens they tried to run
to Chase. It felt like Kansas City blew them up,
and that kind of took some touches away from Chase.

(01:24:57):
But yeah, I still think before it's all said and done,
and it might be the this week, I still think
you're going to get an even split a distribution back there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yeah, uh, what are they going to do a defensive tackle.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
Somde who played at least seventies and then quit after
five years to write country music and was certainly a star.
They may be able to suit himup because he's pot
a lot of trailer on the tires. He spent fifty
years since Mike played, was a great player. Go look
him up, kids, go look him up. Yeah, that's a
great question. I did see at least bj Hill walking
around the locker room on Monday and didn't look a

(01:25:30):
whole lot worse for the wear just walking now he's
not also then getting into a three point stance and
firing off the football with that hamstring, But that I
thought was a semi positive sign, you know. And then
Sheldon we didn't see. It is crazy to think of
how they were down to literally two tackles, and Jay
t Flea and and and Zach Carter, who, in a
perfect world, if Chris Jenkins was healthy, m Kimley Jackson

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was healthy, neither one of those guys would be on
an active roster, they'd be inactive every week, and yet
here they are trying to close out a game against
Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
To two of them, is is Chris Jenkins clothes to
coming back?

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
I would think you'd get some snaps out of him.
I mean, there was some hope of the Kansas City game.
I get why there wasn't. Why he didn't. Again, you're
only a week remoof of literally having searched on your thumb.
Another week plus an extra day I think would help.
And I think at this point in the game, I
don't need fifty snaps out of him, but I need
some snaps out of them because they are just so
thin at that position. I sure would hope.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
So who's coaching did you second guess more the way
the Bengals handled fourth and sixteen or Mark Stubbs trying
not to win against the number one team in his
country in the country on Saturday night.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
I know fans in this market are going on the
fourth and sixteen, But as the Kentucky Grant, I listen,
here's I said this on my podcast there ripporing, So
his decision to punt, in my mind, I do understand
of Okay, you know, our defense is playing, so well,
get a stop. Okay, let's just assume Georgia punk's it
back after a three and out, and let's just say
for argument's sake, you got it at your own thirty.

(01:26:58):
You are gonna have to get some chunk plays with
no timeouts left against the defense that doesn't give up
many chunk plays as opposed to when you examine that
play you got. You got a chance on a four.
You give me one play if you tell me, give
me one fourth and eight to maybe go beat Georgia
because then they soa we had to get a little
bit more yards to getting field g rge. But give
me one fourth and eight in the fourth quarter, you god,

(01:27:20):
go for that. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
You can't even.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Think about knock because then you're asking yourself, well, yeah,
we're gonna hold and they punt back years to get
a fresh set of down. Yeah, and you got to
go another fifty yards against that defense and gives them
toe plays. You aren't getting multiple chunk plays. I'm asking
to get.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
One a fourth and eight any punt staggering, I uh,
in real time, I couldn't believe it, and I did
think of you, and you gave me exactly what I
was looking for.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
I appreciate I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Hi. Enjoy your Wednesday, man, thanks so much.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
Yeah, we real quick, real quick, by the way. And
I heard you talking earlier about the stadium stuff. Yeah,
when I stadium renderings and whatnot. Yeah, those things hit
me a lot, like a lot, like those those whole
uh you know the financial game that cities get economic impact.
I roll my eyes, and all that stuff, all those amenities,
they're never gonna happen, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Yeah, I you know again, it's we We've had people
come in and they're gonna redo our kitchen, right or
they're gonna put it in a new basement, something like that.
You're really excited about it. You look at the price
tag and then you think about how you're gonna pay
for it, and suddenly those renderings get thrown in the garbage.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
And that came by my house and said said, guy,
you need a new roof. I said yeah, I said,
we're gonna probably get that. He goes. I thought, yeah,
i'mnna have to pay that. I want to get your
insurance company involved. I'm like, oh, okay, can we get
an insurance company involved with the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Uh, you might have a better chance of getting them
to pay for it than the Bengals, so you know,
maybe I have no All right man, Thank you as always,
Richard Skinner Local twelve and Local twelve dot Com on
x at Local twelve. Skinny, you'll hear what Joe Burrow
told rich Eisen and you'll hear what the coach of

(01:29:02):
the Commanders, Dan Quinn said to rich about stopping Joe
Burrow in the Bengals. Next ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Sports headlines in the service of Kelsey Chevrolet home on
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to yours for life kelseyshow dot Com. Bad news for
Brandon Williams and Tommy John surgery. Obviously, his twenty twenty
four season is over, and the timing of this significantly

(01:29:49):
jeopardizes his twenty twenty five season in its entirety. A
lost twenty twenty four for Brandon hurt his shoulder in
spring training, got back to the big leagues on September.
The first made four starts came out last night. It
is a UCL tear. He will have Tommy John surgery.
Obviously put on the fifteen day injured list. That sucks,

(01:30:14):
and I wish I had a more semantically responsible word.
It sucks big time for Brandon Williamson. And it's it's
just it's another It's another bullet, another dent, another question mark,
another item on the long list of of frustrating things
about the twenty twenty four season. Meanwhile, and by the way,

(01:30:38):
they replaced him with lefty Brandon Lee Brandt Reds do
play the Braves. Tonight's second of three six point forty
this evening on seven hundred wl W. I will give
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(01:31:03):
Freiley Marte is dhing again six forty this evening on
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Brewers clinched the NL Central courtesy of the Cubs in
their five to three loss to the Oakland Athletics. Bengals

(01:31:24):
back kind of at it tomorrow, getting ready for the
game against the Commanders. Bengals game plan tonight from six
to eight live on ESPN fifteen thirty. That takes up
to FC Cincinnati Soccer the Orange and Blue on the
pitch tonight against Minnesota. Pregame at eight o'clock, kickoff at
eight thirty live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Joe Burrow was

(01:31:44):
on The Rich Eisen Show today. Joe Burrows answering a
question about well more so just as to describe what
it's been like these first two weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:31:56):
One bad, one pretty good, but not good enough. So
we're getting better every day, working to improve. There's always
a room to improve after losses like that and wins.
So we're in good spot. We're happy with how practice
is going. We're getting better, so we're excited for the
opportunity on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
You know the slow start, Can you put your finger
on it? Why it keeps happening?

Speaker 7 (01:32:24):
I think there's a different factors every year. Going to
for the third straight year, we're not panicking. Guying means
there's a lot of football to be played, but lots
of room to improve at the same time, just like
any game every year. So we're just looking to improve
every day, go out on Monday and have our best

(01:32:46):
game yet hopefully get a win and then move on.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
So for you, how are you better than even last year,
even before you got hurt? How are you a different
quarterback right now?

Speaker 7 (01:33:00):
Before I got hurt last year, I was playing my
best ball and so we're getting back and it's always
there's always an adjustment period when you're coming back from
a season ending injury. You haven't played football in a while.
You know, you get the reps in training camp, but
you know, live bullets is a little different. So I'm
really happy with how I improved from week one to

(01:33:21):
week two. I'm looking to do that again week two
to week three. You know, I'm confident in our scheme,
confident in the game plan. So I'm just looking to
improve every day and if I do that, I'm gonna
continue to get better.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I know you're you're known for your cool, You know,
Joe Burr, Joe Cool and what have you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
But do you beat yourself up mentally?

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
Of course, I'm always looking for where I can get
an edge, where i can improve myself. You know, I
expect to play close to perfect football, and when I don't,
I'm pretty hard on myself and always looking for little

(01:34:02):
areas to improve my game. And you know, I would
say Sunday was not perfect by any means. So that's
always what I'm striving for. I'm striving for perfecsion and
you know, if you make little increments towards that goal,
then you know that's a recipe for success.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Joe Burrow earlier today on The Rich Eisen Show, go
find that, where as we say, where you get your podcasts?
Of course, a lot more in the Bengals that night
six to nine or six to eight with Dan and
Lapp Bengals game Plan live on ESPN fifteen thirty. It's
nineteen away from six o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports Station. Absolutely no idea tomorrow on the show.

(01:34:45):
By Joe Burrow's press conference, we will carry that live
three fifteen and our buddy Lee Sterling is going to
help us make some money. It's a Hall of Fame
induction night Friday at U see a loaded class will
include the great Sean Killpatrick. He'll join us at five
forty tomorrow. We are certainly excited about that and so

(01:35:07):
much more. Brendle's on the show tomorrow three forty five
on UC football at the Bearcats getting set to play Houston.
I'm getting yelled at for being bullish on the Bearcats,
like I just I've watched them play twelve quarters. They
have not been perfect by any stretch. And the meltdown
on Saturday this Saturday against Pittsburgh, you know, did reverberate

(01:35:32):
hovered over last week put Scott Sadurfield in a position
where I felt like if he lost that game on Sunday,
I don't think he was going to be out of
a job, but it was only going to intensify the
at least the public heat being aimed being aimed at him.
But I think they've played well enough over the first
three weeks for most of us to feel like this

(01:35:53):
team has a chance to be at least okay in
the Big twelve. By the way, if you missed it
earlier today, Tony chatted with Brendan's or as. You can
find that conversation on the iHeartRadio app go Get It,
also available podcast page of ESPN fifteen to thirty dot com.
I think they can still If most of us went
into the season thinking, all right, get to the six

(01:36:14):
to seven win range, that is a successful year. Obviously,
the math would be a lot easier had they won
that Pittsburgh game, which they should have won. In the
absence of that, though, winning five of their last nine
games seems doable in this league with the offensive weaponry

(01:36:35):
they have. I wish they had more which they could
do more things on the outside. But I also feel
like his building blocks go the two running backs they
have kinder In Pryor Joe Royer and Xavier Henderson. With
a quarterback who I feel like is ascending. I don't
know what his ceiling is, but I feel like he
is a big twelve quarterback just in terms of his

(01:36:56):
ability to throw the ball, I think there's a lot there.
I still wonder if the three three five is a
good fit for what they have personnel wise. On defense,
you know, there were times against Miami twice in the
second half where u Se had a two touchdown lead,
gave the ball back to Miami, and then the RedHawks
kind of went down the field with ease. That was troubling.

(01:37:18):
It's also worth mentioning that sandwiched in between there were
two Miami drives where they went three and out. Eric
Phillips got a drive ending sack on one of them.
They're gonna be rough against the run, which we kind
of knew coming into the season, in which I think
has been confirmed. But you know, over the course of
twelve quarters, they've played pretty well in ten of them,

(01:37:43):
at least nine of them, and they have a very
winnable game. They're favored on Saturday. That is a winnable
game against Texas Tech. I don't know if they'll be
favored in that game. Still have a shot to be
four and one by the end of the first month
of the season. Wish they would be five and oh
they should be and zero, which can't go back in time.
If they're four and one, that's not terrible. So more

(01:38:07):
on that with Chad tomorrow at three forty five, and
of course all the o the good Bengal stuff we do.
Jay Morrison, our guy Robert Wintroup from Cincinnati Magazine I
do think one of the more interesting dynamics, and I
touched on this with Skinny a little while ago, Chase
Brown's the carries. I think Zack Moss carried at twelve
times Chase Brown four. I'm not giving up on Zack Moss,

(01:38:31):
but I would just like their and I think most
would agree. I'm sure you would. I would just like
for there to be a game where Chase Brown is
the featured guy, just to see what it looked like.
And featured guy in this offense doesn't mean thirty carries.
It means fifteen eighteen somewhere in that ballpark with maybe

(01:38:52):
a reception or two. That kind of serves the purpose
of being a run. We haven't seen that. Ton was interesting.
Early last season, they barely used Chase Brown, then they
had to use him, and then toward the end of
the season he was kind of back on the shelf again.
I would just I would love to see what it
would look like if Chase were given the opportunity to

(01:39:13):
just be the guy. We saw some extraordinarily electric bursts
from him in that game against the Chiefs, saw some
of the speed that he's put on display, saw some
of the speed that he put on display last year.
I'd love to see him get a chance to tap
into it just a little bit more, and I wonder
if his success. We talked about building blocks, we talked
about seeds with Jermaine Burton, maybe Chase Brown planted some

(01:39:38):
as well. Don't forget Monday night. We have the game
on ESPN fifteen thirty. It's the Bengals and Washington Commanders.
Our pregame covered starts at three o'clock. Mentioned before the
Brandon Williamson news if you missed it, came out of
the game last night, and I think most of us,
if we didn't suspect where this was gonna end, we
at least feared where this was gonna end. Ends with

(01:40:00):
him having to have Tommy John surgery. Which just work
with the timeline here. It's the end of September, the
season is basically over, so obviously he wasn't going to
pitch at all the rest of twenty twenty four. It
now feels like almost a certainty that he's not going
to pitch at all in twenty twenty five. So next
year is a lost year. This year for him as

(01:40:22):
a last year because he had a shoulder injury that
if you remember back in spring training, was kind of
not that big of a deal, and then he's not
in a big league mount until September the first. It
is exceptionally frustrating, at least for me. The Reds have
done a lot of really good things with player promotions,

(01:40:44):
guys get getting to the big leagues and showing that
they belong, having some success, a lot of good young talent,
a lot of good young pitching talent. And yet for
all of those things that have happened over the last
couple of years, they will go into the off season

(01:41:05):
with far far more questions that I think we thought
was going to be the case at the beginning of
this season, and certainly about a year ago at this time.
And it starts with the starting pitching, which at times
has been so promising and at times has been so good.

(01:41:25):
But wow, it just for as far as they have come,
they still if you hold them up against like genuine contenders,
they still feel like they are just so far away.
And I don't know that they could do anything this
offseason within the realm of reasonable expectation. That's that's going

(01:41:48):
to change that I think we expect the Reds to
be active in making the team better, But I don't
know if they're going to be splashy. I do wonder
if if there's a veteran starting pitcher who's just a
little bit more bankable then Frankie Montos was, we can
tap into that deeper. Tomorrow, we're done. Thanks to Tarren Bland,
Brian Snicker's new best friend, Braves Tarreon Bland for producing,

(01:42:10):
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at three to ZHO five. Stick Around Bengals game plan
with Horden Lapham is next, and then FC Cincinnati Soccer
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