September 25, 2024 • 9 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right twenty one after five ESPN fifteen thirty broadcasting
from Beat Up the Hamilton. Our guy Sean Sayeed is
with us SUMER Sports. Read his Monday morning mashup column,
follow him on X where he's he's breaking down film.
I hope he hasn't spent too much time breaking down
(00:22):
the Bengals defense, because why why would you wish that
on anybody kind enough to join us? Also the Stats
and Scheme podcast and a day later than usual, Sean,
how are we doing, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
No, I'm doing well. You know, one day we're going
to talk about these Bengals after a win. Unfortunately this
is not the time we do it. But of course
I spend time watching that Bengals film, you know, even
when you don't win, so much to learn from, hopefully
enough to build off of. And we'll be able to
see that soon.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So I want to start with what Washington did. Because
Cam Taylor Britt called it a college offense. Maybe he
shouldn't have said it. That's the frustrating thing to me,
though I don't think he was wrong, and they still
scored every time they touched the football.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with calling offenses,
college offenses, and if they're gonna score points on you,
it doesn't matter if it's a high school offense, points
are gonna be points. And you know, the commanders did
a good job of putting Jim Daniels in situations where
he can really succeed, where he is a really positive
thrower of the depot. It's something certainly Joe Burrow does
(01:31):
really well for the Bengals. It's something that Daniels showed
in college and showed really showed against the Bengals multiple times.
So it was a good job at Wathington to do that.
And they had a run scheme that I like, although
overall I think the Bengals run defense. You know, I
felt a little bit more positive when I was rewatching it.
But if you can't generate a pass rush, I don't
(01:52):
care if it's a peewee offense, if it's high school offense,
if it's the middle school offense. If you can't rush
the passer, you know, everything just unfolds from there, and
really unfolded for the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right, So so given their personnel limitations, and yeah, we
hope Sheldon Rankins comes back, and we hope that BJ
Hill comes back, but there are personnel limitations, certainly until
Miles Murphy comes back. How do you generate more of
a pass rush.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I think it's gonna be really tough.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Do you move Hendrickson around a little bit? Does it
become a situation where now we just have to blitz
over and over again where we saw that that game
ender where James Dayel is able to throw a touchdown
in a situation where you do m end up with
that blitz and it puts cornerbacks in tough situations. So
you have to weigh it a little bit. Are we
gonna send five guys? Are we gonna play a little
(02:44):
bit of man coverage? Are we gonna, you know, send
the nickel or a slot cornerback and drop the defensive
end away. You really have to, I think, understand what
is the matchup that you want to take advantage of,
and ken you maybe find situations where now we're isolating
a linebacker kind of pass our against the running back
and kind of banking on that instead of just sending
our four regular pass rushers.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I feel like watching it in real time, the observation
that so many of us had was man the Bengals
defense looks slow is when you go back and Rewatch
and you watch it a little bit more critically, Is
that the conclusion that you arrive at, or is that
a byproduct of there maybe being something else in play,
(03:27):
like guys being at a position that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I can understand why it feels like they're kind of
going slow. I think that that shows up when really
when they're missing tackles. So I feel like that's the
bigger focus for me than literally just a speed thing,
because there were multiple instances where it's a guy in
open space and you know you kind of have defenders
on both sides of him, and when it ends up
being a ten yard game when it should have been
(03:52):
maybe a one or a two yard game, it's just
so so frustrating because the Commanders are a team that
they're able to get yard after the catch when they
throw some of those quick screens, and just watching the
nest tackles now piling up week after week is something
that I think what you do one thing about the Panthers,
like that's a situation where the Panthers can maybe taken
advantage of that, and if it's just an issue every
(04:14):
single week, I don't think it matters how fast here.
I think that it more matters when a guy has
the ball in space, you need to be able to
bring them down, particularly when you have two defenders that
are sort of right there in those situations.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, you know, we brought this up yesterday. Trey Hendrickson's
a terrific player. You ask any pass rusher to do
it on his own, there's gonna be a limitation to
what to what he can do beyond him. If you're
sitting down to game plan for the Bengals, if you're
an offensive coordinator, if you're Dave kan Allison and Charlotte
(04:49):
and you're you're trying to figure out, all right, what
am I gonna do this week? I think oftentimes you
look at a player or two and say, we can't
let that guy screw up our game plan Bengals, anybody
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Outside of Henderson, I would say it probably not, which
is really really tough, because you need to have playmakers
on defense. It doesn't have to be that you have
to have like eleven all stars, but EIGHTEA and can
scheme around one dominant edge rusher. Even if you move
Hendrickson around, you know, if he goes inside, then you
can have kind of the center and the guard working together.
(05:24):
If he's going to stay on the outside, you can
have the tight end working over there. And when you
don't have another player that's really able to create a problem,
it's it's a situation where the offense, I think, is
going to feel comfortable where even if you know the
Bengals are able to play well in the secondary and no,
maybe it becomes a situation where you have some of
those zone coverage looks on defense and they just hold
(05:44):
on just a bit tighter and that makes the pass
rush look a little bit better. But usually it works
the other way around, where you're in those zone coverage
looks kind of opening up space just a little bit
trying to close it down, then the pass rush is
able to get home. But yeah, for me outside of Henderson,
you know, there's not a ton of spot that you're
looking at from a like, we need a game plan
our whole entire offense sort of around this player.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Sean sayet is with a science game Summer Sports. If
they would have gotten one stop on Monday, chances are
I'm leading the conversation by talking about how good the
Bengals were offensively, and they were right, I mean, no punts,
no turnovers, his special teams cost him three points. But
I don't know how you could have walked away from
that game here complaining about the way Joe Burrow and
(06:29):
the offense played. So there were things to build upon there.
From everything you saw from the Bengals offensively, where where
should I be most encouraged?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean, it's still got to be Joe Burrow, Like
he just looks like Joe Burrow, which is so so
awesome because even when you're a team that is yeah,
you're unfortunately owing three, your defense is struggling, your offensive
performance is going to be the most predictive thing going
forward for team success. Bro is comfortable. There was like
one or two throws where you know, maybe the ball
is not in the exact or maybe he turned down
(07:01):
kind of a deep shot on the outside, but he
is able to hit those deep bauls. You see it
to Chase even you know that there was a throw
to Higgins where Higgins like kind of one hands it
and only gets one foot in. I think that they're
gonna be able to get their chemistry going there. And
now losing Trent Brown is big you don't you don't
wanna are are losing to tackle is a really big
situation where you don't want to have to just kind
(07:22):
of go down the list there. Obviously, you bring in
men's there from Georgia who I think is a versatile
player who is really athletic, and you hope that he
can pass checked in a way that is positive over
and over. But for the offense, like, it doesn't matter
if it's complicated. If Joe Burrow is playing like that,
I think he's going to be able to continue to
have success, just over and over all.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Right, So our our old friend Andy Dalton takes over
for Bryce Young and Charlotte and he carves up the
Las Vegas Raiders, and we're happy for him. But like,
if I'm sitting here next week talking about how Andy
Dalton just did to the Bengals, what Jane Daniels did,
I'm not gonna to be in a very good mood.
I know you watched that Carolina tape. Tell me what
you saw from Andy and the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Andy Dalton had like an awesome, awesome football game, like
one of the better quarterback performances from a quarterback across
the league through three weeks. It was cool because he
did it in so many different ways. You know, he
was able to just get the Panthers offense in a
way that Bryson wasn't able to produce with them, where
they're gonna run a bunch of under center play action.
(08:27):
You know, Deontay Johnson is obviously someone that the Bengals
are familiar with seeing him in Pittsburgh. With Deonay Johnson
is gonna be breaking over the middle of the field,
he might be open and Andy Dalton's gonna find him.
But then Dalton also made tight window throws down the field.
So it felt like watching Dalton for some of his
best years in Cincinnati in that game. Because Dave Canalis
(08:48):
is a really good coach, he was able to get
a lot out of Baker Mayfield, he is able to
get a lot out of Gino Smith. And I think
it's something that you know, Bengals should be a little
bit worried about because the offense it looked. It's like,
it looks like a good operation there where Cincinnati certainly
can win just my score and more points than them.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Do the do the Panthers have a tackle eligible play
because our team can seem to defend that well.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's always so tough because when you see it, like
if you're playing linebacker, you're on the field, it's like
you know you count or you can feel how many
players off the center it is. And even then you
know it's one yard, like you really want to defend
the run there, And that was certainly frustrating. But hopefully
you know Dalton, however he is, he's not going to
be as much of a run threat, and I think
extending the play will look a little bit different. So
(09:37):
you hope that you know the Bengals are able to
if they have to cover just a second longer, it's
maybe a little bit easier, just based on the mobility
of a quarterback. There.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Awesome stuff. As always, I appreciate you being flexible. We'll
do it the normal day next week. Jean, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Thanks so much, Mon, I appreciate it. We'll talk after
a win next week.
All right twenty one after five ESPN fifteen thirty broadcasting
from Beat Up the Hamilton. Our guy Sean Sayeed is
with us SUMER Sports. Read his Monday morning mashup column,
follow him on X where he's he's breaking down film.
I hope he hasn't spent too much time breaking down
(00:22):
the Bengals defense, because why why would you wish that
on anybody kind enough to join us? Also the Stats
and Scheme podcast and a day later than usual, Sean,
how are we doing, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
No, I'm doing well. You know, one day we're going
to talk about these Bengals after a win. Unfortunately this
is not the time we do it. But of course
I spend time watching that Bengals film, you know, even
when you don't win, so much to learn from, hopefully
enough to build off of. And we'll be able to
see that soon.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So I want to start with what Washington did. Because
Cam Taylor Britt called it a college offense. Maybe he
shouldn't have said it. That's the frustrating thing to me,
though I don't think he was wrong, and they still
scored every time they touched the football.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with calling offenses,
college offenses, and if they're gonna score points on you,
it doesn't matter if it's a high school offense, points
are gonna be points. And you know, the commanders did
a good job of putting Jim Daniels in situations where
he can really succeed, where he is a really positive
thrower of the depot. It's something certainly Joe Burrow does
(01:31):
really well for the Bengals. It's something that Daniels showed
in college and showed really showed against the Bengals multiple times.
So it was a good job at Wathington to do that.
And they had a run scheme that I like, although
overall I think the Bengals run defense. You know, I
felt a little bit more positive when I was rewatching it.
But if you can't generate a pass rush, I don't
(01:52):
care if it's a peewee offense, if it's high school offense,
if it's the middle school offense. If you can't rush
the passer, you know, everything just unfolds from there, and
really unfolded for the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right, So so given their personnel limitations, and yeah, we
hope Sheldon Rankins comes back, and we hope that BJ
Hill comes back, but there are personnel limitations, certainly until
Miles Murphy comes back. How do you generate more of
a pass rush.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I think it's gonna be really tough.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Do you move Hendrickson around a little bit? Does it
become a situation where now we just have to blitz
over and over again where we saw that that game
ender where James Dayel is able to throw a touchdown
in a situation where you do m end up with
that blitz and it puts cornerbacks in tough situations. So
you have to weigh it a little bit. Are we
gonna send five guys? Are we gonna play a little
(02:44):
bit of man coverage? Are we gonna, you know, send
the nickel or a slot cornerback and drop the defensive
end away. You really have to, I think, understand what
is the matchup that you want to take advantage of,
and ken you maybe find situations where now we're isolating
a linebacker kind of pass our against the running back
and kind of banking on that instead of just sending
our four regular pass rushers.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I feel like watching it in real time, the observation
that so many of us had was man the Bengals
defense looks slow is when you go back and Rewatch
and you watch it a little bit more critically, Is
that the conclusion that you arrive at, or is that
a byproduct of there maybe being something else in play,
(03:27):
like guys being at a position that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I can understand why it feels like they're kind of
going slow. I think that that shows up when really
when they're missing tackles. So I feel like that's the
bigger focus for me than literally just a speed thing,
because there were multiple instances where it's a guy in
open space and you know you kind of have defenders
on both sides of him, and when it ends up
being a ten yard game when it should have been
(03:52):
maybe a one or a two yard game, it's just
so so frustrating because the Commanders are a team that
they're able to get yard after the catch when they
throw some of those quick screens, and just watching the
nest tackles now piling up week after week is something
that I think what you do one thing about the Panthers,
like that's a situation where the Panthers can maybe taken
advantage of that, and if it's just an issue every
(04:14):
single week, I don't think it matters how fast here.
I think that it more matters when a guy has
the ball in space, you need to be able to
bring them down, particularly when you have two defenders that
are sort of right there in those situations.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, you know, we brought this up yesterday. Trey Hendrickson's
a terrific player. You ask any pass rusher to do
it on his own, there's gonna be a limitation to
what to what he can do beyond him. If you're
sitting down to game plan for the Bengals, if you're
an offensive coordinator, if you're Dave kan Allison and Charlotte
(04:49):
and you're you're trying to figure out, all right, what
am I gonna do this week? I think oftentimes you
look at a player or two and say, we can't
let that guy screw up our game plan Bengals, anybody
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Outside of Henderson, I would say it probably not, which
is really really tough, because you need to have playmakers
on defense. It doesn't have to be that you have
to have like eleven all stars, but EIGHTEA and can
scheme around one dominant edge rusher. Even if you move
Hendrickson around, you know, if he goes inside, then you
can have kind of the center and the guard working together.
(05:24):
If he's going to stay on the outside, you can
have the tight end working over there. And when you
don't have another player that's really able to create a problem,
it's it's a situation where the offense, I think, is
going to feel comfortable where even if you know the
Bengals are able to play well in the secondary and no,
maybe it becomes a situation where you have some of
those zone coverage looks on defense and they just hold
(05:44):
on just a bit tighter and that makes the pass
rush look a little bit better. But usually it works
the other way around, where you're in those zone coverage
looks kind of opening up space just a little bit
trying to close it down, then the pass rush is
able to get home. But yeah, for me outside of Henderson,
you know, there's not a ton of spot that you're
looking at from a like, we need a game plan
our whole entire offense sort of around this player.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Sean sayet is with a science game Summer Sports. If
they would have gotten one stop on Monday, chances are
I'm leading the conversation by talking about how good the
Bengals were offensively, and they were right, I mean, no punts,
no turnovers, his special teams cost him three points. But
I don't know how you could have walked away from
that game here complaining about the way Joe Burrow and
(06:29):
the offense played. So there were things to build upon there.
From everything you saw from the Bengals offensively, where where
should I be most encouraged?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean, it's still got to be Joe Burrow, Like
he just looks like Joe Burrow, which is so so
awesome because even when you're a team that is yeah,
you're unfortunately owing three, your defense is struggling, your offensive
performance is going to be the most predictive thing going
forward for team success. Bro is comfortable. There was like
one or two throws where you know, maybe the ball
is not in the exact or maybe he turned down
(07:01):
kind of a deep shot on the outside, but he
is able to hit those deep bauls. You see it
to Chase even you know that there was a throw
to Higgins where Higgins like kind of one hands it
and only gets one foot in. I think that they're
gonna be able to get their chemistry going there. And
now losing Trent Brown is big you don't you don't
wanna are are losing to tackle is a really big
situation where you don't want to have to just kind
(07:22):
of go down the list there. Obviously, you bring in
men's there from Georgia who I think is a versatile
player who is really athletic, and you hope that he
can pass checked in a way that is positive over
and over. But for the offense, like, it doesn't matter
if it's complicated. If Joe Burrow is playing like that,
I think he's going to be able to continue to
have success, just over and over all.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Right, So our our old friend Andy Dalton takes over
for Bryce Young and Charlotte and he carves up the
Las Vegas Raiders, and we're happy for him. But like,
if I'm sitting here next week talking about how Andy
Dalton just did to the Bengals, what Jane Daniels did,
I'm not gonna to be in a very good mood.
I know you watched that Carolina tape. Tell me what
you saw from Andy and the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Andy Dalton had like an awesome, awesome football game, like
one of the better quarterback performances from a quarterback across
the league through three weeks. It was cool because he
did it in so many different ways. You know, he
was able to just get the Panthers offense in a
way that Bryson wasn't able to produce with them, where
they're gonna run a bunch of under center play action.
(08:27):
You know, Deontay Johnson is obviously someone that the Bengals
are familiar with seeing him in Pittsburgh. With Deonay Johnson
is gonna be breaking over the middle of the field,
he might be open and Andy Dalton's gonna find him.
But then Dalton also made tight window throws down the field.
So it felt like watching Dalton for some of his
best years in Cincinnati in that game. Because Dave Canalis
(08:48):
is a really good coach, he was able to get
a lot out of Baker Mayfield, he is able to
get a lot out of Gino Smith. And I think
it's something that you know, Bengals should be a little
bit worried about because the offense it looked. It's like,
it looks like a good operation there where Cincinnati certainly
can win just my score and more points than them.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Do the do the Panthers have a tackle eligible play
because our team can seem to defend that well.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's always so tough because when you see it, like
if you're playing linebacker, you're on the field, it's like
you know you count or you can feel how many
players off the center it is. And even then you
know it's one yard, like you really want to defend
the run there, And that was certainly frustrating. But hopefully
you know Dalton, however he is, he's not going to
be as much of a run threat, and I think
extending the play will look a little bit different. So
(09:37):
you hope that you know the Bengals are able to
if they have to cover just a second longer, it's
maybe a little bit easier, just based on the mobility
of a quarterback. There.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Awesome stuff. As always, I appreciate you being flexible. We'll
do it the normal day next week. Jean, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Thanks so much, Mon, I appreciate it. We'll talk after
a win next week.
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