10/1/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So with the Ravens. Coverage starts Sunday morning at nine
on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals's.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, we guest fifteen thirty four minutes at Block. Thank
you so much for joining us up. We are having
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is en route. My understanding is traffic on the Ronald
Reagan Cross County Highway has slowed things up just a
little bit, and so Paul is gonna be here. We
obviously have a lot to talk about with him. Bengals
coming off their win over the Carolina Panthers getting set
for Sunday's matchup, lots of changes to discuss, per apps
on the defense, and a robust offensive performance to sift

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through as well. We'll do that with Paul as soon
as he gets here. Our buddy Sean Sayed from a
summer sports as well, coming up at five twenty, a
guy who has made us smarter every single week that
he has joined our show. We are looking forward to that.
It is obviously a sad day, and I don't have
any issue categorizing it as such. I'm gonna spend a

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little bit more time in the four o'clock hour talking
about the passing of Pete Rose. I had two instant
thoughts last night, one of which I'll get to in
the four o'clock hour. One of which, though was just
that just because you know that the ending is going

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to be sad, doesn't make it any sadder or any
less sad, I should say when the ending actually come.
And I think we've known for quite a while that
whenever Pete passed, which hopefully was going to come later
rather than sooner, but whenever he passed, he was going

(03:12):
to die exiled from baseball and not in the Hall
of Fame. And I don't know for me so much
a tragic figure, but I've I've put it this way
over the years doing this show that Pete Rose. Not
being in the Hall of Fame, and what we have

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come to know about Pete in essentially the second half
of his life has robbed this city to the degree
that we've never really been able to completely and fully
celebrate someone who's I think more closely identified to this

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day with this city and with its baseball team than anyone.
And I've put it in terms like, you know, you
you watch what happens at spring training across the sport,
and you'll see Willie McGee in Cardinals camp, and you'll see,
you know, different New York Yankees at Yankee Camp, some

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of them Hall of famers, some of them not so much.
Pete Rose never got to do that. Fans never got
a chance to see that. Every time he was celebrated,
every time he was brought back, whether it be for
his statue or for the Reds to put him in
their own Hall of Fame, or for the All Star
Game in twenty fifteen when they celebrated the twenty fifth

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anniversary of forty one, ninety two and twenty ten. It's
those those commemorations have always occurred against the backdrop I
think of sadness that they had to get they had
to get permission to be able to do those things,
and they have Pete Rose back, and that's that's not
how it's supposed to be. And so we knew that
wasn't gonna change. I think we all knew that. You know,

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Baseball was not gonna let him back in. He wasn't
suddenly going to pop up on the ballot to get
to Cooperstown. That's frankly not how it works. And yet
there was a finality to yesterday that I just think,
from the perspective of someone who lives here, made me
awfully sad. So I've got more thoughts that I'll get
to coming up in the four o'clock hour, and Rick

(05:19):
Walls from the Reds Hall of Fame a museum, we
will spend a few minutes with us, coming up at
four to twenty. But Paul's here, what's up? How's it going?

Speaker 3 (05:26):
It's going right?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Anytime I think of Pete Rose now, I think about
my old beat partner Jim Ozarski, who when we hired
Jim back in twenty fifteen, in that season was the
All Star Game summer, right, And we hired him that
summer to be ready to go before the football season started.
So he moves here from Chicago Milwaukee. He was kind

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of doing stuff up in that area, and you know
with hey, you're gonna go cover the NFL. He's covering
the Packers at one point. And then the first thing
he had to do is like, before you do that,
you have to just stalk Pete Rose for three days
because the All Star Game was coming. Pete was gonna
be able to be out there. Here's gonna be a
big deal, and we were gonna write this big story

(06:12):
on sort of Pete's weekend in Cincinnati and whatever. And
so he's like, wait, you want me to do what? Like, yeah,
so understand everything your is to know about Pete Rose
in the city of Cincinnati, and then go follow him
and all of his people around as long as you can,
and then you can go cover the NFL. And that
was basically how he was introduced to covering sports in Cincinnati.

(06:33):
Otherwise known in many group cats as hashtag Pete Beet
That I went was what he ended up on. So
but he ended up doing a great job covering NFL
for four years. Never had to go back on Pete
Pete again.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Every right, now, Yeah, Well, and I'm sure Pete did
not say no to the coverage. I mean, I am
sure he did not.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Steff armed Pete was happy to have anybody around him
that wanted to come around.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I was happy to have an audience, Yes, no doubt
about that. We're happy to have you here. There's a
lot to discuss as it relates to the Bengals win
over Carolina, what's coming up on Sunday. The vibe in
the aftermath of that game from a fan perspective, was
weird because I don't think anybody was exuberant. I wanted
to be maybe, and you could point some positives that

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unfolded on on Sunday and Charlotte, but but there wasn't exuberance.
I think there was apprehension. I think there's some fear.
I think there's some dread. I think there's some concern.
It's a weird place to be after their first victory
of the season.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, it was more, you know, a question that I
spent a lot of time trying to It wasn't the
traditional like how do you feel? But it was like
is this relief because you know it's just until it happens,
and it had been building and so much tension had
been building around the facility that you were wondering, like,
is this is Does that feel like relief? And I

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think yes, to some it did, but I think it's
it's underscored by the fact that, look, they just still
they bought themselves time. Yes, they bought themselves another week
to continue to try to figure it out out, to
maybe get a few more bodies in the building to
help them figure it out health wise, and that was
where they're at right now, is that this was something

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they had to have. And so there's a relief in that,
but a pretty clear understanding that there's just so far
to go for them, specifically defensively obviously, to get this
thing to where it needs to be for them to
do something like compete with what you saw on Sunday
Night football later that night when the Ravens took the field.
And so I think that there is a sense of

(08:31):
relief getting that first one, but also understanding that when
the hole's this deep, there's probably not going to be
a ton of relief until you, you know, clinch a
playoff birth because it's just going to be a struggle
to go up at here.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I do think from a fan perspective though, that a
lot more of that vibe had to do with Sunday
night than Sunday afternoon. Yes, because I think on Sunday afternoon,
I mean I'd been talking to people. I was out
for a station appearance, and it was all right, well,
you know, Baltimore could lose tonight, that Buffalo team's really good.
Then you get a chance to sort of deliver a
knockout blow and then Derek Henry runs for a billion yards.

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They look great, they don't blow a lead, and they've
won consecutive games. And now there's a sense of dread.
And so I think that's more based on how Baltimore
played than anything the Bengals did, although the way the
Bengals played certainly did show some cause for concern.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, I mean, you know, watching them see their strength
come together on national television as in direct relation to
this team's weakness, it was a lot to take in,
I think, But look, at some point, I mean, you
get you need this defense to get itself to a
level that you can count on your offense to go

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up there and be able to go toe to toe
with Lamar Jackson and the Ravens and beat them in shootouts.
I mean, you're gonna be playing shootouts a lot of issue.
I mean, there's just it's hard to see a version
of this team that their wins look anything other than that.
But you just got to get something and it can't
be I mean, honestly, if I could give you right
now that the Ravens would rush for less than two

(10:04):
hundred for for let's just say, not more than two hundred.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yards, yeah, okay, would you take it? Of course? Yes? Yes,
how about not two seventy?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Right, It's like this, you just Henry rush for less
than two hundred much less the team I think right
now it feels like that's something that you would that
you would take. That said, I mean, you know, I
don't think that they're that far off the Ravens necessarily,
because again, I think their offense, even against a good,

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you know, a solid Ravens defense, can can go step
for step. I mean the level that they're playing at
offensively right now, with obviously an asterisk on Washington and
Carolina's defenses not exactly being world beaters, but I do
think that they're capable of going step for step with
them if they can just get a couple of stops.

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You know, you just get the one play, the one turnover,
that type of stuff that can get the ball going
the other way. Their offense is good enough to go
with anybody, and I think you can you can start there.
That is the thing that came out of Sunday for
me is that, Okay, this wasn't flashing the pan. The
steps that you saw them take in Kansas City, then

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a little bit bigger step you saw them take against
Washington was another step offensively against Carolina. And now you
feel like you're really seeing the vision blossom offensively. And
that's enough to beat anybody at any time in Teams
that have offenses that perform at that level of efficiency
make the playoffs even with terrible defenses. And so that

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is something that you can certainly build around and gain
some confidence from.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
All right, hold that thought, we'll build upon that. It's
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Speaker 3 (12:13):
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Speaker 3 (12:42):
You know I, you and I go to a lot
of sports bars.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, we've been to a few. Yes.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
I gotta say this setup with the arena style four
sided hanging giant screens in the middle is my favorite
sports bar setup because everybody in the place can have
the massive screen to see what they want. This is
what This is what I envisioned your basement looking like.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's not quite that nice, but I mean it has
a television.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
That's the only thing that connects you. It has a bar,
It does have a bar. Yeah, it's got frame jerseys.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah that's it.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
No, I just I envisioned you living a living a
lavish life.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Just a lap of luxury. Yeah, my servants, my butler's.
It's just it's incredible. All right. You wrote about the
defense low and Rumo's reaction to what was going on
with some of the defensive players on Sunday and what
he's talked about as it relates to to what's next.
Cam Taylor bred had an awful game. How much should

(13:46):
I chalk that up to good player had an awful game?
Or uh oh uh, this is gonna be a problem
moving forward.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I think you should chalk most of it up to
good play had an awful game, just because for me,
the sample size of what percentage of games in his
career since since the start of twenty twenty two? Have
you seen Cam Taylor be a liability be a problem?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
One? Yeah? Right now?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
How many games do you gotta watch of a guy
and say, Okay, I'll lean more into what I've seen
than what that was. Now, what I think I think
it gets, you know, we don't talk about We talk
about it more because of Luanna Romo's reaction. Luanna Romo's
reaction was right because it was in response to the
situation they are in as a team. This is the urgency,

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this is the oh and threeness of this is there
is no room for air. I mean, Loose had a
couple of times around here, Loose had a couple of
times just this is with where we're at, there is
no time to let anything slip, and especially on his
side of the ball, as he is somebody and they
all somebody feeling a lot of pressure right now. And

(15:03):
I think that was a direct reaction to that situation,
maybe more so than it was to Cam Taylor Britt specifically,
who did have a terrible day. But over the if
this was a norm, if they were two and two
and the defense had been fine, Let's let Cam's confidence stay.
Let's talk to him after the next drive, tell him

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to get things straightened up and settle down.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, it wasn't like he was benched.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I mean, he played, he played, he rotated, and he
kind he needed to, like LW said, settle him down,
pull him off to the side and be like you
need to take a like he got demoted, but he wasn't,
you know, and tell him, you know, take it also
partially as freak clothes. You know, we had already seen
DJ Turner before that come in for Dax Hill, and

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so there was a rotation. Clearly they were looking for
ways to get DJ involved because they had liked what
they'd seen from him in practice in the week's leading up,
in the very small sample size of actual plays that
he'd had. So when that's the case, and then you know,
you could sense Lou talking about the flashbacks he was
feeling to when Cam got beat deep in Kansas City

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and and you know some of the things that were
going on there where he's just like, you know what,
not taking any chances. Let's get DJ Turner in there
until we can get Cam settled down, because he is
a radical the word that we heard used. That's concerning stuff.
But I also think when you look at them, how
much he's played who he's typically been, maybe the motivation

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let's see what he's made of, right, Let's see how
he reacts to this and hope that it doesn't ding
his confidence and he still goes out there and can
understand that if you don't go out there and do
things the way that we're teaching it and the way
that you know it needs to be done, you're not
going to be playing anymore. And and maybe that was
something that needed to be reiterated to him this week.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
How much closer is Jordan Battle to seeing significant playing time?

Speaker 3 (16:58):
I don't think that close. I mean, judging by I,
you know, what we'd heard in the weeks leading up
to this, and then lose response to that, to the
question about it yesterday, I just.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Not the most ringing endorsement yesterday.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
No, and and pointing out that he was slow to
start for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, okay, so not.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Getting into it, but he can't slow to start the
Bengels Geno Stone, Geno.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
That's fair the guy that I was most excited about them.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
So yeah, yeah, you know it's it's not just slow
to start, is slow to finish and slow to tackle.
Yeah so you yeah, the Geno. So the Geno Stone thing.
The one worry of coming from coming over was gonna
be Okay, well, you're giving up a little bit as
a tackler, but you're not going Nick Scott right, You're
where you feel like you're getting the payoff and coverage

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and anticipation in creating turnovers that you thought you were in.
Now we haven't seen that as much. We have seen
the mist tackles in the bad angle. I mean that
Cuba covered angle is one of the worst you'll see
a safety take. That's the stuff that just kills you,
and that was supposed to be with you know, that's

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not speed. I mean it's partially speed, but that's understanding
where you're going, and you know that's the one thing
you're supposed to have, is knowing where to go and
knowing the angles by going with the veteran no ball safeties,
that's supposed to be what the one thing you're supposed
to be able to count on. So that that's obviously troubling.

(18:30):
I can I still believe that one. There's reverberations from
last year that I think there was more error being
committed by Jordan Battle that we don't really know about
because of all the communication and actual like logistics of

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how the defense operates that you wouldn't see if you're
grading or if you're just watching it. You see the
splash plays, right, and those the ones where you know
he's coming up, he's making the tackle he's attacking, like
all of that stuff is worthwhile. But I just think
there's still a lot of memories of last year in
the back of Lou's head, not wanting to go to

(19:12):
that where guys don't know where they're going and the
communications not good enough, and so for that reason, until
something changes dramatically behind the scenes with Jordan Battle taking
more steps or progress or whatever it was just called yesterday,
I mean I think that they're content for right now
to stick with these guys.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, I'm having flashbacks watching Joe Stone to IRV Smith,
he's the IRV Smith of safeties. Yeah, you don't want
to be the RB right, correct. No, if somebody says
that your work you're the IRV Smith of bank teller,
probably time to get out of the bank telling business.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Unless it's hey, you were terrible at your job but
still got over a million dollars like that would be.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Over well and again, like the guy of all the
dudes they signed this offseason, the guy I was most
excited about was Geno Stone. Yeah. If I'm if you're
evoking IRV Smith memories, not good at a position that's
entirely different than the one that IRV Smith played.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
They were saving it up for this week when he
goes against his former team, and he's gonna make the
big play.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
They you know it's time. Yeah, No, you're right, it's
time for Genostone to be to be a guy and
make a big play, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I want to ask you if you have ever woken
up before in the same predicament that Brad Robbins woke
up in yesterday morning. When we come back, it's twenty
nine away from four o'clock. He's Paul Danner Junior, The
Growler Podcast, The walk Out on Sunday, The Balls Don't
Lie Today.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yes, the Jay has hair. Yeah, Jay has hair. So
we're kind of working through that now. We're not really
sure what we're gonna do with his hair, other than
maybe we have to shave.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
It is twenty eight away from four o'clock. We're a
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Speaker 4 (21:00):
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to move on the dot to keep Gordon and Boston elmore?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I think you should continue.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
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are off today, getting said for the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday.
That game live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Pregame coverage on
Sunday morning starts at nine o'clock. The Wild Card Round
is underway Game one in Houston between the Tigers and Astros.
Detroit has a three nothing lead, with the Astros at
the plate in the bottom of the fourth inning. Starting

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at the top of the hour, it's Kansas City at
Baltimore Game one. In the National League, It's Mets Brewers
in Milwaukee Game one at five thirty, and Game one
of the best of three series between the Braves and
Padres in San Diego is tonight at eight thirty.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
The start of the Major League Playoffs also when Reds
fans get mad again about their team not being in
the playoffs, Yes, because it just brings back, It just
brings back all of the reasons of why you just
want to be a part of.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
This one so great? Not mad, jealousy. Jealousy, Yeah, exactly,
it's jealousy.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Like it's so great. MLB playoffs are just are just
as good as it gets. Man, the atmospheres are unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
The yeah, like, well, especially it's so watered down. Now,
you know, Kansas small market, Kansas City, small market, Milwaukee,
quote small market, San Diego, small market, Baltimore. There they
are in the playoffs. There they are in some cases
hosting series.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
There's a managerial search if you want to, Yeah, get exciting.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Great skiped Schumacher, Yeah, suddenly skips Schumarcher lost a hundred
games last year. Not his fault, but every small thing
that went wrong with the Reds this year, David Bell's fault.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yes, don't go there yet. Don't go there yet. Let's
focus on another team that's playing problems. Okay, they have
a lot of those.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Two. What's your best guess on Trey Hendrickson?

Speaker 3 (23:23):
So Trey like, I feel like Trey nearly dies on
the field and then plays the next week like three
times a year. He looked on television like, I mean, yeah,
it was scary. It was a super scary moment. And
then yesterday the locker room, I mean, he's just good spirits,
looking good, dapping people up, seem fine. I know the

(23:45):
reports from no nerve damage out. I mean, I just
feel like this happens a lot where he just has
stuff right, Like he's just constantly battling through stuff. He
plays a style that things happen. Yeah, hopefully it's not
too many things where he's laying there on the grass
like that. But yeah, I think there's a there's a chance.
I mean I believe that it's a let's see what

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does happen as the week goes on. I don't think
they know for sure until you start really getting him
out there.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
But Miles murphyable practice, do we think he plays again?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
He has not been out there doing a full practice,
so it's sort of like it's sort of like when
they were trying to work T Higgins back. It's like, Okay,
well he's got to get out there and practice and
see what it feels and looks like he just he
hasn't been on the practice field, So what what does
it look like? I I my gut would right now
would be probably not. But you know, you get him

(24:42):
out there and see what it looks like and see
if there's a role that he can play.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
In the day and age we live in, there's a
lot of folks who deal with the uncertainty of you know,
possible job loss, and they go to bed sometimes wondering
like man's tomorrow. The day Brad Robbins went to bed
on Sunday evening, I would imagine knowing full well, I uh,
I'm gonna be fired. Yeah, that's that. Well, do the

(25:06):
procedural thing on Bunday, yes, put him on the active roster,
and then bang on the next day.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
I tried to envision Brad's reaction as he watched every
Rico punt hit the air just go away, just his head,
his neck snaps up like whoa, and he's like oh.
Immediately like pulls out his phone and he's like, so,
do you know of any openings or kind of update
my LinkedIn? I don't know like what yeh exactly he's
going for, But I mean, look, this is what we

(25:32):
said when when the injury happened. Yeah, you're you're opening
up an opportunity for somebody else to come in and
take it from you and.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Uh and maybe be the greatest punter ever ever. Ever.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Have we ever seen suddenly like they have a real
weapon at punter? Yeah, I mean yeah, I it's the
third guy in the door. At when it was like,
what there's a third punter? Hunt, turns out he might
be the greatest punter in the history of the NFL. Yeah,
at least the greatest, the greatest uh nine punt stretch.
I had a hard time putting the sentence together when

(26:05):
I tweeted this the greatest nine punts stretch and NFL
history it might have been, but might have been.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I mean I remember, like one of those first training
camp practices someone tweeted about the three punters and I'm like, well,
who's that? Who's like it did? Did I in a raffle?
And it's like fantasy camp? And now now, yeah, like
you said, bona fide weapon in camp in preseason, he

(26:33):
wasn't consistent, so you kind of worry about that. But yeah, wow, yeah,
he would have sporadic shanks where it felt like it
with sideways into the bushes. You know, like everybody you
ever when you're messing around in the backyard, there was
always the one, the one kid who like couldn't kick
straight or whatever, and yeah, they were like you ever
gone to a tailgate? Yea, some of the passes that

(26:54):
get thrown. Oh yes, what some of those punts look like? Right?

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, well, because you know, you're so used to seeing
most of them looking exactly the same from a professional punner,
like I watched Kevin Huber my entire career. They all there,
they go right in that same way, same spot, same arc,
like solid and been. But then every like fourth one
you would just see it, like go into the street
and some guy out there who was in the RAF
four that almost ran over to Higgins has to stop
and bring the ball back in, you know, like uh

(27:19):
but no. But since but since it's been game time,
I mean, that's been the thing is when he did
hit it, even in practice, and you see it now,
it just looks different. I mean, I don't know what's
going on. I was talking to Tyson Anderson a little
bit yesterday and he's like, it's you know, it's not
obviously not just how far it's going the hangtime is
to cover high that He's like, I just I have more.

(27:40):
I have so much time to get down there and
be right there. And the returner is surprised that I'm
right there because they're running backwards, thinking well, when I
do this, I have plenty of space behind me.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Turn around.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
How could someone be right there? Because the ball was
hit so high and far that it's just tons of
time for him. You get done, and you saw that
on That's where you end up with the net sixty
one because you've got somebody on in coverage right there.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, here's what I liked about Sunday's game. Uh Amarnius
Mims plays and plays well. Chris Jenkins makes an important
play early in.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
The game on the goal line stand and then Eric
all Eric Hall, yeah, who how do you not love?

Speaker 6 (28:19):
Eric?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
John Anthony made a really nice play which is throat
for him. Yes, he said he was gonna get a
chance done, and I was. I was really happy for him.
But there's the twenty twenty four class and the search
is over for this tight end they've been looking for
since I was like eleven years old. This guy who
can block, who can catch passes. Yeah, who can do
a little bit of everything. Eric Hall. I am in

(28:40):
charge of the Eric Hall Fan Club.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Not since Rodney Holman, right right, like yes, do you
feel like you have somebody?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's like the red search for a leadoff hitter for
my entire adult life. They've been looking for a leadoff
hitter well before my adult life started. They've been looking
for a tight end. I could do everything, play him
every down, tight end. Not like they've had good tight
drew sample is a good tight end at this one
particular skill. They've had other guys who were good tight
ends at one particular thing. Eric All is everything.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Two plays stood out to me, both of them that
happened on the perimeter with Eric All. So not even
get into how many times and how many is there
a place that they can still motion him from that
they haven't yet? I mean there, bring him in from
all over the place. He's playing h back, he's motioning
in from the outside. But two plays on the outside
that stood up to me stood to me. The one

(29:32):
where he makes the guy miss to get the first
down in the I guess the four minute drill there
they were kind of running there at the end of
the to and and you know, shows elusiveness in a
one on one matchup in space. Hadn't really seen that yet,
and it's like, wow, you add that to the mix.
And then the kind of check down in the flat
to Chase Brown, and he had the safety locked up

(29:55):
for what felt like the entirety of the play and
pushed him all the way back. So Chase Brown sneaks
by him and goes and gets eleven yards on a
give up checkdown, all because Eric All is just destroying
the safety out there on the edge. And it's like, man,
that is such a game changer when you can have
somebody that can just sustain and finish and move guys
on the outside where you're you know, again, not even

(30:18):
the objective of that play necessarily just ends up there.
But because he's winning so much, it frees up Chase
Brown to get that yardage when you can do that
on top of everything else that he's doing just in
the regular part of the job, a tight down on
the inside. Yeah, and he's making such a difference, and
they're you know, they're running twelve personnel now more than
anybody in the league, which again this is eleven personnel

(30:40):
more than anybody in the league since Zach Taylor walked
on the door and loves it being that way, you know,
I think you have to appreciate their willingness to go
with something different.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
But it's all because of Eric Hall.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, like and you notice gets sicky now. A lot
of this was because of the way the game went
where they're I mean, Cody Ford had four team snaps
because they're just trying. They were going big so often.
But you see Eric All now tight end one and
Gsicki down there in a smaller amount as they were
going bigger towards the end of the game. But I

(31:11):
think that's I don't think that necessarily a flash into pain.
I think that Eric All tight end one is kind
of he's such a chess piast for them right now
and the way that that he's playing and the way
they can use it.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
And he had a block and you and Ja talked
about it the postgame pod on. I think it was
Chase's first touchdown run before he came over from the
right side, and he probably still scores if he doesn't
make the block. But if you watch the play in
real time, the first thing you notice is.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Eric Hall's block flies in that yes, many times in
my life where I've said the Bengals scored a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
And the thing that I noticed first was a tight
end block. He's so good at that.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I remember the first time I saw it in camp
where they had him do that in a gold line
drill or whatever. And I tracked down Dan Pitcher in
the in the locker room and I was like, how
about that. Yeah, that's a thing, and he and you know,
his face was like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
We're we're going to go.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
It's like we're gonna go build a whole chapter of
our playbook or on that stuff. And they have, like
they just they've kept finding different ways for him to
come in as a surprise guy. And he said, no,
that's what I did. Like I that's what I did.
And when you're at Michigan and you're at Iowa, man,
like they do, they trade, they train your right and
and that's the type of stuff that he did and
he will. It's one of his favorite things to do.

(32:23):
And it's like he loves the collision and he loves,
you know, doing coming in from those angles. And they've
really been beneficial with that. It's a great addition to
the downhill gap run game, because the downhill game and
these big powerful guys just going forward. When you can
bring somebody out and trap them across, it can it
can open up holes. And it's done that a ton
is They've become one of the more efficient running teams.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
One of the things I like to do is when
the Bengals finish the draft, we try to get their
position coaches on because those are the guys in college
you know the most, and in many cases we're really
responsible for recruiting them. So the Iowa position coaches former
Bengal a duel Hodge, who coached Sam Laporta, and I said, like,
had he had compare him to Sam Laporta, because you know,

(33:07):
of course he's gonna say these nice things about the guy.
But it's like, you coach Sam Laporta and he's like, oh,
he might be better, and like he's like, Sam's really good.
You guys know he's really good. He might be better.
He's like, there's really nothing he can't do. He's like,
unfortunately he had the injury here, so you didn't get
a chance to see it as much. He's like, but
I coached both, he's as good. Instead it not placating

(33:29):
me or the audience. I could tell he had no
problem saying, you know, Sam Laporta's gonna have a really
good pro careers off to a great start. I think
this guy's equally talented.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, And it's so unfair. I remember, you know, kind
of ranting about this in the beginning. People said, oh,
he's gonna be the next George Kittle, and that was
I hate putting those expectations the guys when they're first drafted,
when those.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
George Kittle might be the next Eric all.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Right, right, but it's like I hate that, But it
came from where you could see it. You could see
a guy where if they can take all these pieces
that he's shown and he stays healthy, you could see
how it could come together. And that's what happens with
all of these developmental tight ends that get drafted. And
that's why you see so many third, fourth, fifth round

(34:14):
tight ends end up being great because so much of
the stuff that has to get put together and make
it work on the next level. And there's reasons why
they aren't, you know, in the top.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
First or second round.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
What's this because they probably didn't get the opportunity to
do the same stuff those Furs second rounders did, and
Eric all seems like kind of the premium case of that,
And it makes a ton of sense why they, you know,
kind of aggressively went after him the way they did.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Could the Bengals offensive line actually be good?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
It is.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
It's a good line.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
It's it's very good. It's good at what they built
it to be good at protecting Joe Burrow. They got
a bunch of giant pass protect first guys. Okay, so
everybody they have. Their specialty is protection essentially, and they
valued that. And it shows when he drops back and

(35:06):
has time. I mean that we're gonna spend all day
playing replays of Jamar Chase and just the one of
the more ridiculous plays of an already ridiculousory. Right, how
about the fact that if you have time to wait
for the backside did to come through, is the only
way you can even make that throw? I mean, and
how many times have we said, oh, if he just

(35:26):
would have had another tick, he could have got to this.
He's able to get to those, yeah, And they're able,
more importantly, Zach Taylor Dan Pitcher are able to confidently
call those longer developing plays on third down or whatever
if they want to take a shot and they feel
like they can because they're not worried about it getting

(35:47):
blown up and looking like every play from twenty twenty
one looked like, yeah, that never quite developed and then
get well, you're they run such long developing routes.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Well, yeah, because there's.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
A lot that can be had in that area, and
that's why you're seeing them really carve people up in
that intermediate level because they're able to access it a
lot better and more consistently with this line.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Awesome as always. Yeah, uh here that podcast growling Yes
the ground Yeah, I'm sorry, used to be used to
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Speaker 3 (36:18):
Right, we've evolved, you know whatever, it's all the same balls,
don't lie.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
The Athletic dot Com Yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I only have a couple of outlets. Jay Jay has more,
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it's gonna make history. He's gonna make history, which I
which I love it. But yeah, I know it's it's great.
I hope hope everybody listens. We're we're having we're having
a blast on those shows. So it's been fun.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
It's good stuff. Thank you as always, thank you, all right,
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(38:00):
They are headed to the top of the sixth inning
in Houston. The Tigers lead the Astros three nothing in
Game one of that Wildcard series. The other American League
series Baltimore and Kansas City Game one there is just
getting underway. Rick Walls from the Reds Hall of Fame
and Museum is going to join us in just about
fifteen minutes to talk about the passing of Pete Rose.

(38:24):
I believe in being authentic and genuine. And there aren't
many things that we have tried to live by in
the time that we have done this show, but that
is that's one of them. It's one of the few.
Authenticity and not being disingenuous, not being inauthentic. I believe
in being genuine, and so I say that because well,

(38:50):
I did not worship at the altar of Pete Rose
for a couple of different reasons. Number one. I'm not
old enough. I was born in nineteen seventy seven, so
my memories of Pete Rose as a player are not
of him in his prime. It's him as an older,

(39:10):
graying player manager chasing down Ty Cobb, which I do remember.
I learned pretty much everything there was to know about
Pete Rose a baseball player through my dad, who loved
Pete Rose, worshiped Pete Rose. I don't have those memories.
I remember Pete as a manager, but honestly, when I
think of those years kind of in the eighties, my

(39:32):
formative years being a baseball fan, I don't think that
much about the manager, and so I don't You have heard,
and I'm sure we'll continue to hear a lot of
people who have the same job that I do. We'll
talk about their memories of Pete Rose, and they're better
equipped to do it because they have memories of him

(39:54):
from their childhood or from early adulthood that involved watching him.
I don't have those. I also am willing to admit
that I have been, as i've gotten older, less and
less unwilling to ignore his flaws, and I've made no

(40:18):
bones about that. I've made no bones about that. On
this show. I've I've always tried to avoid Pete Rose
topics because it has often felt like there's no room
for nuance. It becomes like almost everything else black and white.
And if you if you show an unwillingness to ignore
or look past or gloss over his flaws or excuse them,

(40:41):
then then I have found that the discussions really don't
go very far. But here's what I do understand, and
here's what I think every single one of us can
understand or will understand. When you get to a certain
point in life, I know what it's like to lose
a part of your youth. And that's something that's gonna

(41:06):
happen to all of us. And something can be something
as hard as losing a parent or losing someone who
was close to you when you were growing up, but
it could mean losing your favorite athlete growing up. When
Joe Knucksall passed seventeen years ago, that hit so many
of his heart for a lot of different reasons. For me, man,

(41:28):
it was I just I thought back to being ten
years old with my granddad and Taylor Mill and driving
in the car with my dad and him being one
of those voices that taught me the game. It felt
like as stupid as it might have sounded. I was
thirty years old when Joe Knucksall passed. That felt like
the chipping away of my youth. And the older you get,

(41:52):
the more that's gonna happen. Sometimes it's a sports hero,
sometimes it's a musician, levision actor. It could be the
closing of a I don't know, a restaurant or a
store you went to as a kid. And like, again,
it sounds stupid, but those things, when they they happen,
they chip away at your youth. I don't know anybody.

(42:16):
I don't know anybody who can't relate to that. And
so my first thought last night was of the people
whose childhood was chipped away at last night, because I
think no matter how you felt about Pete Rose, you
can empathize with that, and you can relate to that.

(42:39):
And so if if that's you, if you're among those
folks who that was your reaction last night, boy, there
goes one of the faces of my youth. There goes
one of the figures of my youth. I believe you
have every right to cherish those memories and on a

(42:59):
day like today, to prioritize those memories, and to hold
them dear and to talk about them, and to write
about them and post about them. I think that's completely understandable.
I think if you're among the people that I talk to,
I think you're entitled to those memories. As a general rule,

(43:25):
I don't believe in being dismissive of what's important to
other people, and so I don't believe in being dismissive
when it comes to your Pete Rose memories, even though
I might not share the same perspective, or I might
not have as many I've got Pete Rose memories. I'll
tell my Pete Rose story or two a little bit

(43:46):
later on. I do understand that there are a lot
of people for whom Pete Rose is not a baseball hero.
But those people aren't the ones who are hurting today,
at least not to the extent of like a ten

(44:09):
year old kid who in nineteen seventy five decided, I'm
gonna wear number fourteen on my not whole team, or
I'm gonna fight the other kids on my team to
wear number fourteen on my not whole team. Or you
know the person who in nineteen seventy three was twelve
years old and had the Pete Rose poster of him
circling the bags at Chase Stadium after hitting that home

(44:30):
runn in Game four against the Mets, or the teenager
in nineteen eighty five who got to go see forty
one ninety two with his dad or her dad, like,
those people are hurting today. And I think, regardless of
how you felt about Pete, and I am again the
first to admit that I've always had a really sort

(44:52):
of the words that have been used often since last
night are complex and complicated? Am I not my person
on a relationship with Pete Rose. Pete was on this
show three times and he was a lot of fun
to have on. But my relationship with the figure as
an observer, as a fan, as a Cincinnatian has always

(45:14):
been a little bit more complex then he's a baseball hero,
and that's all we should talk about, and more complex
then you know what he did a lot of bad things,
and that's all we should talk about. But the people
to me who are most impacted by his passing are
the folks that have those memories and choose to cherish

(45:34):
them and choose to hold on to them and choose
to talk about them, and so If that's you, I
know what you're going through, and I think we all do.
Maybe you didn't care that much about Pete Rose, but
it was another athlete or another person, or another figure
in your life or another thing that just went away

(45:55):
that connects you to your youth, and now it's gone.
And I think that's that's where my mind went to
last night. I put this on social media, and I
did not care to look at social media last night.
I really haven't looked at it today because it's it's
it's not a place for nuance, and it's frankly not

(46:16):
a place for I think, reasonable discussions. And by the way,
there are some reasonable discussions to be had about Pete Rose,
and we've got some time to have them. But my
first thought last night was of the people who have
those memories and had a piece of their youth taken
away last night. And if that's you, you have my sympathies,

(46:39):
you have my empathy, and I can understand why finding
out that Pete died is so hard, and I can
understand why it's so hard for so many people in
this city. I mentioned at the top of the show,
we all knew that from a baseball perspective. From the
perspective of Pete Rose's baseball life, we were never gonna

(47:01):
get a happy ending, right, we were never gonna get Hey,
Baseball is letting Pete back in and he can serve
as an ambassador to baseball or an ambassador to the Reds.
We knew that wasn't gonna happen. And since that wasn't
gonna happen, he was not going to be inducted into
the Hall of Fame, at least during his lifetime. It's
a I think a separate discussion about whether it happens posthumously,

(47:24):
which again we'll get to. But just because you know
the ending isn't going to be very happy doesn't make
it any less sad when the ending comes. This was
and is somebody who in a city with very recognizable
sports figures, I don't think there's anybody more recognizable, and

(47:45):
he is somebody who I thinks, whether you like it
or not, represents a period of time in this city
that a lot of people really, really really hold dear,
including folks like myself who aren't old enough to really
remember it. You can't the city of Cincinnati is two
hundred and thirty six years old. You cannot tell the

(48:06):
story of this town without I mean, you can't talk
about Cincinnati without talking about the Reds, of course, But
how do you tell Cincinnati's story without talking about seventies
and the Reds of the seventies and that era in
the sport, and that era in the city. And yeah,
Pete Rose's baseball life went beyond the seventies. But in

(48:29):
the United States of America there are a handful of
athletes who in the seventies were among the most famous
people in the United States. Pete Rose was one of them.
And that does nothing to diminish what other men on
those teams represented, and how popular they were, and how
great they were. Joe Morgan, Pete Rose, Johnny Bench. We
know the names, but I believe for most people, the

(48:52):
first name that comes to mind, right or wrong, is
Pete Rose. And so I was filled with sadness about
the reminder that over the last thirty five years, again
right or wrong, we have not had a chance to
enjoy as a city what you're supposed to enjoy. When
one of those figures hangs it up, gets done playing

(49:19):
like they celebrate cal Ripken in Baltimore, Tony Gwynn God
rest his soul in San Diego, or other athletes or
sports figures of that ilk that are so identified with
one city. We never got to completely enjoy that. We
never got to completely enjoy the next post baseball act.
And you might say that's Pete Rose's fault, and I

(49:39):
think you would be right, But we still didn't get it,
no matter whose fault it was, And so his passing
didn't change that. It might have amplified it, and it
might have extinguished whatever tiny bit of hope you may
have had that things might be different and maybe one
day he would be let back in even though we

(50:00):
all logically knew he wasn't, or you know what, maybe
he'll get his moment at Cooper's Town, even though we
all logically knew that wasn't really gonna happen. Emotionally, I
think a lot of is held out hope that it would,
and his passing cements the fact that it won. And
that's sad, and I think it's sad no matter how
you felt about him as a man. It is eighteen

(50:21):
after four o'clock. The perspective of Rick Walls from the
Reds Hall of Fame and Museum is next on ESPN
fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station on.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
The official home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Your Bengals News. Other day, the Bengals to No. One's
surprise release Brad Robins because Ryan Rico has been awesome.
On the day after we found out that Pete Rose
passed away, I thought it was appropriate to get on
with as someone who certainly has a great perspective on
not only Pete's career but what he meant to the
Reds organization, the executive director of the Reds Hall of

(51:01):
Fame m museum, and somebody who has spent a lot
of time with Pete and his teammates, our friend Rick Walls.
Rickett's good to have you. Good afternoon. How are you.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
I'm doing well, No considering right, tough loss for Reds Nation.
Just talking to a lot of the fans. They're out
here at the ballpark, coming down the Hall of Fame,
pay tribute to Pete. It's been a tough day or
two for them now.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Twenty sixteen Pete Rose Weekend, the club dedicates a statue,
his jersey number gets retired, and he enters the Reds
Hall of Fame. What was that weekend like for you?

Speaker 6 (51:34):
It was spectacular, and I know it was for him
and his family. I remember it like it was yesterday,
and I remember all of the events leading up to
us being able to have that induction ceremony and Pete
being brought back for reunions and activities, and then kind
of building this way to where Commissioner Manford said, I

(51:55):
really don't care if he's honored locally, and teams should
be able to do that, and the Reds Hall of
Fame Museum elected, you know, Pete to the Hall of Fame,
and it was a special weekend, and of course his
number was retired in a statue a year later, and
you know, we got to know Pete pretty well for
the entire process thinking of these reunions with their teammates.

(52:17):
That induction in sixteen, In fact, we brought back many
of his teammates. It was the fortieth anniversary of the
seventy six championship that year, so we brought back all
the players that could come back, and then the statue
the following year. You got to see how much Pete
really loved baseball and loved the Reds and the fans yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I think when I think back to specifically his his
Hall of Fame induction, you know, he's somebody who's going
to tell you how he feels. And listening to him
talk about what that honor meant to him was great
and I think deeply authentic.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
As well when I recall him talking about behind the
scenes and on stage because he ran his gripped by
a few of us, Hey I'm going to say this,
what do you think? And he really meant it about
the Indian piece. Not a guy you would think would
write down all his comments and thoughts, right, he wouldn't
think that, but he thought this one through, like Joe

(53:12):
Morgan did too. I remember Joe doing a similar thing,
talking about how this honor was just as important as
any other honor he'd received. He wanted that red jacket
to go in the Hall of Fame because all of
his teammate said kids him about and how come you
don't have a red jacket? And he finally got that
red jacket at the induction galap and it was a
special day, a special night, and he was I think

(53:33):
he was sincere by saying that you may or may
not get future honors, but these because They're from my
hometown and my hometown team, and I mean a lot
to me, and I believe he meant that.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
What was also always kind of striking to me about
Pete maybe over the last ten fifteen years, he would
come to games, right, he'd come to games invariably. If
he was at the ballpark, they'd show him on the
video board, he would point to the wishbone, c a hat,
or if he would would give an interview. Uh, you know,
you were, you were, you were setting him up to

(54:07):
give you something good. If he asked him about the
state of the current Reds, no matter if they were
playing well, playing poorly, in the middle of a rebuild.
Uh set to try to go win the pennant, whatever
it was. Uh, I was. I was always struck. Look
you you're around a lot of these guys. Some of
them paid less attention than others. Some of them, you know,
might kind of be done with baseball. Some might pay attention,

(54:28):
but not very close Pete. Uh, you know, it might
be a stretch to say he lived and died with
every single pitch, but he paid attention, paid attention closely,
and always had an opinion or a thought on whatever
was going on with the club at whatever point you
might be talking to him or listening to him.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
I agree, I don't think there's too may. I don't
know of any other player that was that much into
wanting to see the team do well to improve. Could
he analyze the game, you know, the moves that were made,
the players, the mistakes in the swings. He would come
in here and talk about the game from the we before,
the night before, almost like he could remember games that
he played in, because you could ask him about any

(55:05):
game and he would probably remember what happened. I went
three for three that game, and I remember who was pitching,
what the weather was like. But he stayed up on
this team, So you're right. When he came to ballpark,
you know, he engaged with the fans and they wanted
to know how he was doing and how the team
was doing. And he always had an opinion, and usually
it was a pretty good opinion. I mean, he knew
what was going on. He paid it to and I
think that was something that you're right.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
People don't do that.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
So he's like a walking Reds logo. He was around
always being a really a supporter, almost like the brand
of the team as a very you know up Cincinnati,
he represented the town as much as he did the team.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Yeah, you know, I wrote down the word recall, and
you referenced it. That's always been I think a neat
thing about talking with specifically former athletes. I did this
with George Foster once. I brought up a Grand Slam
he had off Tom Nidfior, and he gave me the
runners who were on base and what the count was.
With Pete a right man, you could you could bring

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up the name of a picture from You could say, well,
Bob Nepper of the Astros, and he would say, well, yeah,
you know, I faced him in the Astrodome on this
day in July and he threw me a change up
on the inside part of the plate and I hit
it in the right field and two guys scored and
we took the lead, and it was and you know,
you could you could maybe go look that up and
if you did, you would see he was right. I've
never been around anybody understanding these guys oftentimes have great

(56:24):
recall for things they were involved in. I've never been
anybody who had that gift the way Pete.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
Did, you know, maybe not being permitted to be involved
in baseball directly and being part of the game really
forced him to dig deep into his history in his past,
to live in that world over and over again and
then understand it because that became him. And as he
went out and did his speeches and went on tour

(56:50):
and signed autographs, he had a great routine. And sometimes
it's a routine. And but if you sat down with
him and did a Q and A, and his routine
was by the way, you could hear it over and
over again. It'd be laughing and talking about Pete and
he'd be telling stories and you might have heard it
ten times, but it's still just as good the tenth time.
But he would get into Q and A. And if

(57:10):
you would bring up a question I've heard, like Marty
talk to him and different of his his teammates, because
they'll pin him down on a few things, and you're right,
he recalls it and he's got some great insight. And
think about the history that he's been involved with with
players of his age, even afterwards, making phone calls to

(57:32):
them suggestions on you know, improving their game. The guy
could have been a great asset to baseball.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah, you know, I think of and I'm too young
to have experienced this firsthand. But I said before that
if you were to, if you were to go back
into the mid seventies or late seventies and sort of
I don't know gauge who the most famous people in
the United States of America were. Pete Rose was on

(58:00):
that list. You know this this. There are a lot
of great players in that ear. I'm not sure there
was anybody. There were many, There were some many who
busted through from a cultural perspective the way Pete did.
Can you speak to that for me?

Speaker 6 (58:12):
I agree with that. I mean, I think locally, you know,
Johnny was national since uh you know, Pete was local
in nature from Cincinnati, but then he branched out and
was the national spokesperson did commercials. People knew who he
was because he had that You know how we talk
about players like Ellie with electric personalities, and he's just electric,

(58:34):
electric player, right Pete Pete was.

Speaker 7 (58:35):
I wouldn't say electric.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
But he he certainly could electrify or at least galvanize
the team and gets you fired up. You certainly didn't
want to play against him. Nobody wanted to play against Pete.
You wanted him on your team. You might not have
enjoyed the way that he went after the game because
he just kept coming at you. And I don't think
people always wanted to play one hundred percent, but Pete

(58:58):
certainly did. A special player played like you.

Speaker 7 (59:02):
Want to play, like I think i'd play.

Speaker 6 (59:04):
You know, I think we all we can all be
major leaguers, and he he wanted to be one and
he became one.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yeah, the news is fresh, and so you're probably not
equipped to answer this question, but I'll throw it at you. Nonetheless,
the twenty twenty four season just ended. Organizationally, I'm sure
things are going to be done as the twenty twenty
five season inches closer to commemorate the passing of Pete Rose.

(59:32):
From the Hall of Fame's perspective, I'm sure you've thought
about what you may do, and my guess is you have.
You don't have set in stone what you're going to do,
but I would imagine those discussions have already started.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
Well, it's kind of ironic, you know. Next year's the
fifties anniversary of the seventy five World Championship, and I
think we had big plans the museum to celebrate and
honor and bring back players and have a reunion, and
that's kind of happen, of course, and it'll take on
a new flavor next year with the passing of Pete.

(01:00:09):
I know, when they lose a player from that group,
I think it takes a piece of all of them.
With him meeting his teammates, they're so close, so tight,
and happened with Jill Morgan have to Sparky Anderson before that,
and anybody on that team. I think there's a closeness
to them. And I can just tell you that, you know,
we have certainly thought about what we're going to do.

(01:00:29):
It hasn't been a deep dive at all yet, but
it's about doing the right thing at the appropriate time,
working with his family and making sure that you know,
Pete is recognized and honor the way everybody would.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Like that to be.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
And I think that's the key. You know, we always
do those things right, from reunions to inductions to statues,
it ends up being about them, and we want to
make sure we do this one right. So there'll be
something at some point. And can't tell you exactly when
because I don't know. It's really just a matter of
everybody getting together to get this thing going. I think,

(01:01:03):
like you said, it's quick, it's fresh, it's you know, yesterday.
I think seven fifteen is the time I heard. I'll
remember that phone call and just trying to verify if
it was right or not because I knew he was
just active the day before and doing an event in Nashville,
and then we flew back to Vegas.

Speaker 7 (01:01:20):
So well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Know whatever is done, it'll be done in good taste,
and it'll be worth everybody's time. I appreciate you jumping on.
We'll talk soon under more celebratory circumstances. Rick, thanks so.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Much, absolutely, thanks about take care all right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Twenty seven away from five o'clock, Rick Walls, Executive director
of the Red's Hall of Fame m Museum, where at
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Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
I love thanks for putting me on.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:03:59):
Sure, Yeah, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Good? Good?

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
Good?

Speaker 7 (01:04:07):
I'm not sure. I'm sure you've articulated guscuse I have
a little trouble bringing. I know you've articulated this before,
but what are your candid feelings on one? Pete Rose's
admittance to the Hall of Fame before his death and
after his death.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Well, I think that the discussion is often hard to
have because I think people misunderstand why Pete's not in
the Hall of Fame. He's not in the Hall of Fame,
not because baseball is keeping him out. He's in the Hall.
He's not in the Hall of Fame because the Hall
of Fame changed its rules when Pete Rose was given
a lifetime ban. The Hall of Fame did not have

(01:04:50):
a rule against players who are on the permanently ineligible
list being excluded from Hall of Fame consideration. In nineteen
ninety one, in advance of Pete going on the ballot,
which that was the year he was first eligible, the
Hall changed its rules. It is since reconsidered its rules,
most recently as twenty seventeen, and ultimately decided we're going

(01:05:14):
to keep the rule in place. So Rob Manfred or
Bud Seelig or a fee Vincent or whoever the commissioner
has been at the time, isn't keeping Pete out of
the Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fames and the
writers aren't keeping them out of the Hall of Fame.
The Hall of Fame's rules are so I didn't like that.

(01:05:35):
I was fourteen years old when that happened. I have
always felt like it should be up to the writers
who vote, the people that you entrust to vote to
decide yeay or nay on Pete Rose, and so it
bothers me that they never got that opportunity. Do I
believe that he should be in the Hall of Fame? Yeah,
for I think two basic reasons. Neither are necessarily ground breaking.

(01:06:01):
Number one is what he accomplished statistically. That goes without saying.
You don't need me to recite what he did statistically.
Number two is I don't believe there should be a
character clause. There are writers who adhere to the character clause,
which is why folks like Barry Bonds and Kurt Schilling
aren't in. I don't believe it's up to baseball writers
to determine who the best people are. I believe it's

(01:06:22):
up to the baseball writers to determine who the best
baseball players were. Unfortunately, the writers have never been given
that opportunity. At the end of the day, however, what
has bothered me most about the entire Rose ordeal hasn't
been that he wagered on baseball. It's been that he

(01:06:45):
spent fifteen years lying to everybody's face about it, and
when he decided to come clean in two thousand and four,
quite frankly, is when he lost me. Because it's one
thing to come clean, it's not the thing to come
clean to sell a book. And that's what he did.
And I will admit to you that I changed my

(01:07:07):
feelings about Pete's guilt and how I don't want to
say sympathetic, but how I talked about it and how
I felt about it when he decided to come clean
to sell books. But I don't necessarily believe that should
keep him out of the Hall of Fame. I've been
hoping the Hall of Fame would change its rules so
that we can find out once and for all. Would

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those who can vote vote him in? And maybe the
answer is yes, Maybe the answer is no. If I
had a vote, I would put him in. The other
part of the question is, well, should they put him
in after his death? And I'll be honest with you,
I don't see the point of that. To me. The

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Hall of Fame, a Hall of Fame induction is a celebration,
a posthumous posthumous induction, to me, is not a joyous event.
And so in order for him to get inducted into
the Hall of Fame, the Hall of Fame would have
to change its rules again. And if it did that,
that to me is a middle finger to Pete Rose's family,

(01:08:14):
to the people who cared about him the most, if
you want to say, the city of Cincinnati. So we
enacted this rule to punish Pete Rose, and now we're
gonna lift the rule, and now anybody else who's made
permanently ineligible, we're going to let them in, and we're
gonna put Pete in. But we're gonna do it so
he can enjoy his moment. I think that's a cruel

(01:08:36):
thing to do, and maybe not so much to Pete.
I've watched Hall of Fame inductions for athletes after they
have passed. I watched Ken Riley go in two years ago,
and I believe Ken Riley deserved to be in the
Hall of Fame. I was heartbroken watching his son give
his induction speech because Ken should have been there for that.

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I've used this example before the year that Barry Larkin
went in twenty twelve, Ron Santo also went in after
he was gone, and his poor widow had to give
a speech that wasn't that wasn't a joyous event, that
wasn't a celebratory event. I I don't. I don't think
putting Pete in the Hall of Fame right now would
be a celebratory event. And so if you're not celebrating something,

(01:09:19):
then what's the point now. I know the argument is
gonna be, well, the point is to honor his accomplishments
and uh to to to make note from a historical
perspective of what he did statistically, But I'm sorry the
idea behind well, we're we're gonna put him in, and
somebody's gonna speak on his behalf, and we're gonna have

(01:09:40):
to dredge up all the reasons why he's not in.
I don't think the people connected to Pete deserve that.
I don't. So I know I'm in the minority. I
know there's a lot of people who don't care and
they want to see him get in, and I understand that,
but I don't think those folks are really considering how
sad that would be a Hall of Fame induction. For

(01:10:01):
my money, is supposed to be a joyous occasion. A
Pete Rose induction after his death would not be a
joyous occasion, and so I'm not for it. I've wanted
to happen for all these years while he's still with us,
because let's just say Mike Pete was here today and
the Hall of Fame lifted its rule the voters at

(01:10:21):
that point. It wouldn't be the writers. It would be
any one of any number of committees, and maybe the
people in that committee would say no, but at least
people would have a chance to vote on him. And
if they said yes, that would be a joyous occasion.
That would be a joyous occasion. Inducting him with him
not there is not a joyous occasion. So what's the point.

(01:10:42):
I know I'm in the minority, but the more I
think about it, the stronger I feel that doing it
after he is gone is almost stupid, and so I
stopped short. And again, if they did it on some level,
then the Hall of Fame is more whole by having
the guy with the most hits, who played in the

(01:11:03):
most winning games and had all those records in it.
But I just don't think that's a moment that anybody
is really going to feel like celebrating you.

Speaker 8 (01:11:13):
Now, I think that is probably and you know I
compliment you quite a lot, but.

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
That historically you you.

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
Developed your opinion and I thought that was excellent, and
then your opinion makes I would think that articulation of
your opinion could in fact change some people's minds because
it's just it's humanitarian. Plus it's just very logical. So
thank you for that moment. I appreciate that, buddy, big time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
That's that's very kind to be. I appreciate it as always.
It's good to hear your voice. I know I'm in
the minority there. And look, man, I have I have
spent my entire career having the times to discuss this,
and I have wanted Pete to go in the Hall
of Fame. I I have found it. I think it's

(01:12:05):
a shame that the Hall of Fame changes rules and
never gave the people who vote on such things a chance.
And looking in nineteen ninety one or nineteen ninety two,
maybe seventy five percent of writers would have said no. Maybe.
I don't know. I don't think that would have happened.
I don't know. I have I think to me, it's
it's gonna it's gonna end up being one of the

(01:12:26):
great mysteries of all time. What would those writers that's
that winner. I think when ninety one to ninety two,
what would they have done with Pete Rose on the ballot?
They didn't get a chance. But I think striking the rule,
ripping away the rule, and which would do two things.
Number One, it would make Pete eligible for the Hall
of Fame after he's no longer with us. Number Two,

(01:12:47):
it would allow any player who would subsequently go on
the permanently banned list, it would give them a chance
to do and enjoy what Pete didn't get a chance
to do and enjoy. I think that's wrong. I think
that's really wrong. So I know that that opinion does

(01:13:07):
not represent most in my audience, doesn't represent most among
the people that I hang out with. I'm sure doesn't
represent most in the city. I know it doesn't, but
I'll be honest with it. Was the very first question
I was asked last night that my cousin texted me
and goes, well, maybe this will be what the Hall
needs to put him in. And I got, like, a
Hall of Fame induction supposed to be a celebration, like

(01:13:30):
I watched the baseball, Football, and Basketball Hall of Fame inductions.
They are a celebration, but the Hall of Fame when
Kobe Bryant went in a couple of years ago, now
Kobe was taken from as tragically. I'm gonna be honest
with you, man, that wasn't a celebration, and that's no
one's faults. You know, Kobe went in the first time
he was eligible. But man, Ron Santo, Ken Riley, there

(01:13:52):
are many others. I just I think it would be
almost cruel, and I'm not I'm not for being cruel,
not for being cruel to Pete's family. I'm not cruel
to being I'm not for being cruel to people that
cared about Pete the most. So you are welcome to
disagree with that, but that's just how I feel. We are.

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(01:16:41):
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are here until six o'clock. We've done a lot of
Bengals stuff today and a lot of Pete Rose stuff today.
And it's a sad day in Cincinnati. I think it's
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(01:18:10):
about Pete Rose, and my general point at four o'clock,
I think, regardless of how you feel about Pete you
should be able to empathize with somebody who's youth got
chipped away at last night. And I can, man. I
think that's something we can all relate to. And maybe
you can if you're twenty years old, but you probably

(01:18:31):
can start to relate to it once you get into
your thirties. And maybe it's an athlete, you know. I
think of like sports figures that like as a kid,
herb Jones passed away. Now, herb Jones was not on
the Pete Rose level of stardom, but as a freshman
in high school, I lived eight breathed and slept. You

(01:18:54):
see basketball, and Herb Jones probably wasn't the best player
on the team, leading scorer, but like did everything guarded
every position, was just like kind of embodied what I
loved about that team. He passed away maybe two years ago,
and it just I was sad for his family. I
was sad for his teammates. I was sad for his friends,

(01:19:15):
sad for Herb. But there was that part of me,
that fourteen year old in me that it just died
a little bit when he passed. Tom Browning passed away
right before Christmas twenty twenty two, one of the first,
one of the first former athletes I ever interviewed, a

(01:19:36):
guy that I remember his rookie season back when I
cared about pitcher Winds. He wins twenty games, was a
starting pitcher for forty one ninety two, a big part
of the ninety team, and he passed away, like, yeah,
a little part of my youth, little part of my
youth went away. Joe Nuxaw I used that example before,
Like when he passed, I thought about all the hours

(01:19:59):
as a kid listening with my grandparents on their patio,
and so I think we can all relate to that,
And I think if if you view Pete mostly through
the lens of him being your childhood hero, I think
you are entitled to cherish those memories, and I think
you're entitled to hold onto those memories. I think you
also have to understand there's maybe a younger generation of

(01:20:22):
people that don't quite have the same attachment as Pete
or only know him for everything that went on nineteen
eighty nine and beyond, or everything we found out about
Pete at nineteen eighty nine and beyond. I will be
completely transparent and completely authentic when I will tell you
that I said about nine years ago, I'm kind of

(01:20:42):
done talking about Pete Rose. The documentary came out that
HBO had and I said, I just I'm not interested.
I'm not interested because I don't think we're going to
learn anything else. And honestly like the more we learn
about Pete kind of outside of baseball, the less I
like it and the more I want to cringe. And
so I think you're entitled to feel that way. But

(01:21:02):
I think if you viewed Pete mostly through the lens
of that's the guy who made me wear number fourteen
when I was in sandlot or not whole, or there's
the guy who's poster I had, or there's the guy
who I went and saw with my dad, you know,
when I was a kid like I think you're entitled

(01:21:23):
to hold onto those memories and cherish them. And I
think each one of us can empathize and sympathize with
somebody who is hurt today. I think the person who
doesn't care about Pete, or didn't like Pete, or solely
looks at him as an unlikable figure, that person's not

(01:21:44):
hurting today. I think if you, if you understand what
it's like to have a part of your youth get
chipped away, you know what a lot of folks around
us are going through. And that sounds heavy, and that
sounds maybe even hoki and silly, but I think there's
something to it, and so I put on social media
last night. It does not ignore a lot of the

(01:22:07):
criticisms I've had of Pete, but I do empathize, and
I do understand what it's like to lose a part
of your youth. And and I'm in my mid forties.
Who that's in my age group doesn't know what that's like.
It sucks, and the people who are dealing with that

(01:22:27):
last night and today are hurting. So I don't know.
My heart goes out to you if that's where you are.
Everybody is sharing their Pete Rose stories. I will give
you two. I have time for one. So twenty fourteen,

(01:22:47):
Pete was doing a like a one man show and
it was like an evening with Pete Rose at I
think it was still the Grand Victoria Casino now it's
Rising Stock, and they were advertising this on our radio station.
I was doing this show in the afternoon. They were

(01:23:09):
advertising that in the radio station. It was like an
evening with Pete Rose. And as part of their advertising package,
we were going to do a show there right out
there outside the theater where Pete was going to do
his show in the casino. And as part of it,
I was told, you know, we've asked, this is our management.

(01:23:33):
We've asked if Pete will go on the air with you,
and I was told, Pete's not so sure because you've
been kind of critical of them, and I had been
and what specifically, I'll be honest with you, I don't know.
It's been it's been ten years. But I had been
critical and I'd made jokes because then that's what we do.

(01:23:55):
And I said, yeah, you know, I've sure I've been critical,
but I'll do the show. I'll have Pete on for
an hour and the focus will be on baseball in
his career, and honestly a little bit more interested in
talking about the current Reds, which ten years ago. That
was twenty fourteen, so Reds were coming off a playoff year.

(01:24:16):
I'm not gonna duck it. I'm not gonna run like
you can't do that in this business. And so I
was told, well, Pete will do it, but you know,
be ready for whatever. So we did the first two hours,
and then Pete sat down for the five o'clock hour,
and when the hour with him started, he instantly playfully
started in on me about kind of being critical of him.

(01:24:39):
And it wasn't confrontational, but it made the audience know,
and it made me know that he knew I had
said some stuff about him and stuff that I felt
like was fair, and we talked about it, and then
we'd moved on and had an awesome fifty minute discussion
about baseball, and most of the focus of the conversation

(01:24:59):
was a like we talked about Billy Hamilton because it
was like his first year as the Red starting center fielder,
and we talked about Dusty Baker and Joey Vado and
the team as a whole, and it was a fun conversation.
And when it ended, Pete's guy comes up to me
and says, well, that went better than I thought. And
I said that was awesome, it was cool, it was fun.

(01:25:21):
And he comes back to me like five minutes later,
as we're kind of packing up, and he goes this
evening with Pete Rose, Are you staying for it? And
I said no, because I wasn't planning on it. I
was going to drive back to Cincinnati from Aurora and
do whatever. And he said, well, Pete wants you on
stage with him, and I initially said no, and then

(01:25:45):
he said to me, well, here's what we'll pay you,
and then I very quickly changed my mind. So the
whole thing was going to be like ninety minutes of
Pete telling stories, but instead of him just taking questions
from the audience, I was going to do a Q
and A and then facilitate a Q and A with
the audio. And I said, okay, that's fine, and so
the casino gave me a room. I think, or at

(01:26:06):
least I bought a room and I went and hung
out for a bit, and then I go back out
to where the theater is in that facility and they
may have changed at since I don't know, And Pete's
guy says, well, Pete is sitting backstage. Will take you
back to him, and you know again like I'm the
son of Dennis Egger who revered Pete Rose. So they

(01:26:27):
bring me back and take me into Pete's dressing room
which is just off the stage, and he is sitting
there watching a Reds Mets game in New York, and
it's Pete Rose and me, and he's like calling out
the pitches like slider change up, like it's exactly what

(01:26:48):
you think it would be, maybe without the gameling, I
don't know, but it was exactly what you would think
it would be. And so I'm in this little room.
There's a ballgame on television, and it's me and Pete
Rose watching the game. And I stood there and then
eventually I felt comfortable sitting down, and we had like
thirty minutes to kill before we go on stage, and
I just remember thinking about how many people that I knew,

(01:27:14):
how many people in my life, and specifically my dad,
how much they would have loved to have been doing
what I was doing at that moment. It was awesome,
It was incredible, and I thought it was really need
of him to let me have that opportunity, though I
had been critical of him, and I think what he appreciated.

(01:27:35):
And this isn't to pat myself on the back, because
I'm not deserving of it. I think what he appreciated
was I owned up to what I had said to him,
and I didn't back down from it, and I explained
on the air why I had said what I had said,
and I think he respected that. And so I don't
remember much about the Q and A. I don't remember.

(01:27:55):
I remember getting the check. That was nice, But I
remember more than anything being in that room with Pete
Rose watching a Reds game and for thirty minutes thinking
that there are millions and millions of millions of people
that would love to trade places with me right now.
So there's also the time I participated in a Rose
that I offended him. We'll get to that later. On First,
Sean sayed, we'll talk Bengals Ravens. We're at Buffalo Wild

(01:28:18):
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Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Twenty four minutes after five o'clock, ESBA fifteen thirty, We're
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with our buddy. Sean sayed. His Monday morning mashup column
for Summer Sports is terrific. He also has a podcast.
The latest episode dropped just a short while ago, Stats

(01:28:59):
and Scheme. One of the things he and his co
host asked is who's going to win the AFC? Is
it the Bengals?

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
Mo?

Speaker 9 (01:29:08):
You know, I'm not really sure If it's getting me
the Bengals. I think I have to see it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
What's going on, you know, particularly on that Sunday night
game where the Ravens come in and just play an
awesome game against the bill It's really fun. I guess
for us that we get to see the Bengals play
the Ravens, and you know, if they win that game
and then we started our conversations about, Hey, you know,
the AFC at the top end is a little bit muddied,
where the Chiefs are kind of banged up in a
few different ways. The Bills come off a lot. The

(01:29:34):
Ravens are only one game better than the Bengals, so
you know you're seeking the wildcard MO and then you
know Bengals fan to know that anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Well, all right, all right, did this game on Sunday
is mass and it kind of feels like they win
this one game on and if they don't, and then
we start trying to convince ourselves that they can make
the math work. I think the big takeaway for a
lot of folks on Sunday was less about how the
Bengals played against Carolina and really more about how bolts
we're played in that Sunday night game against against Buffalo. Look,

(01:30:04):
we know Derrick Henry and we saw what he did
against the Bills. We have obviously seen firsthand for years
now what Lamar Jackson can do. But when you kind
of look at this schematically offensively, understanding the Bengals defensive weaknesses,
which there are many, what should concern Cincinnati fans? The
most about Sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
Absolutely the run game that it's gonna be, I think
a really really big concern where you're going to continue
to get pushed around at that defensive tackle spot right inside.
The Ravens are more than happy to just run this
ball over and over, and the Ravens are creative and
how they do it. Of course, they're going to have
Lamar Jackson included in the run game, but you're gonna
see kind of tight ends and fullbacks running in all

(01:30:45):
sorts of different directions. I think Bengals fans are used
to seeing what the Ravens, but they really I mean
took it to the Bills because the Bills want to
play kind of light on defense and the Bengals like
to do that a little bit too, because some of
those heavier bodies I think are not always the best
in the past game. But Ravens are gonna get heavy,
They're gonna run the ball, and it's gonna be up
to the Banglo to have a much better performance than

(01:31:07):
they had all season, and even a better performance than
they had against the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Yeah, the performance against the Panthers left a lot to
be desired really in every phase. Look they're gonna get healthier.
Hopefully Bjy Hill comes back here soon. Hopefully they get
Miles Murphy here this week. Hopefully Trey Hendrickson's next stinger
is not something that's gonna be an issue moving forward.

(01:31:32):
But man, I don't know. I saw some things in
the back end of that defense on Sunday. This is
more of a statement than the question, Sean. I saw
some things in the back end of that defense on
Sunday against Andy Dalton the Panthers that were deeply troubling.

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
Yeah, when you have Deontay Johnson, who we mentioned him,
you know last week, just talking about a player that
is able to create separation and win in different ways.

Speaker 9 (01:31:52):
If he's if the Panthers are doing it on you,
you know, it feels like anyone can do it on you.
Or even though the Panthers have looked better over the
last two weeks than they have the season, you know,
you think.

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
About Lamar Jackson, he is a really really high level passer,
and how the Bengals are maybe able to deal with
some of the pass catchers.

Speaker 9 (01:32:08):
You know, you could maybe look at it and say,
you know, hopefully.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
You can get a little bit more of a favorite
favorable matchup if you're the Bengals.

Speaker 9 (01:32:15):
But I mean, Loui Roma, He's trying things.

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
He's sending some blitzes, he's playing a little bit of
man coverage, he's moving his own coverage around in a.

Speaker 9 (01:32:22):
Few different ways.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
And I think at this point you're really hoping that
you're a team that can continue to score on offense
and then just get one to turnover. All you need
is one sometime to create a win. Where obviously against
the Panthers, you know, you score fourteen points kind of
towards the end of the first half the start of
the second half, and that's able to flip a game.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Yeah, I mean, that's easier than it sounds, right, It's
it's such a small margin for error. At the same time, Look,
you have to love how they played on offense against Carolina.
You have to love what they did offensively against the
Washington Commanders. This Baltimore defense is a little bit of
a different animal, right, and so understanding that Cincinnati is

(01:33:04):
healthy offensively, their hole, there's a lot of weaponry, the
offensive line is playing well. Where's the biggest area of
concern on.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Sunday, Yeah, I mean the Ravens defense is really playing
at a high level after that Bills game. Now, I
will say they don't have Mike McDonald, who I think
has put together some really good game plans against this
Bengals unit.

Speaker 9 (01:33:23):
So I think, you know, some of the.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
Disguises that Burrow is going to see, I think hopefully
he's going to be able to handle it. But you know,
you wonder is that right tackle you know where Men's
I think had a good showing for different parts of
Carol of the game against Carolina, he did get kind
of beat inside.

Speaker 9 (01:33:38):
On that interception.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
I think that may be a spot in that Baltimore
really targets, or even just the pass protection as a
whole where I love what I saw from Case Brown
again for the Bengals team, but he's not going to
be used as a pass protector as often. So the
Ravens do a really good job of getting a linebacker
one on one with it you're running back in pass
protection and really kind of shrinking the game in that way.

(01:34:00):
But still the Bengals have Jamar Chase, and Jamar Chase
literally made the whole entire Panda defense look like they
didn't exist for a play.

Speaker 9 (01:34:06):
So you can have that explosiveness where I.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
Agree with you in that it is a small margin
peer and that's just how this is going to be
for the whole season, where they're playing a high wire
act game after game and you're just hoping that you
come on the right side of that enough times.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Yeah, and maybe they do, and maybe they do to
the extent that they sneak in and you know, you're right.
There's something about, hey, win, get in and if you
have burrow, you have a chance. But like we went
into this season thinking about Super Bowl and wondering if
it's Super Bowl or bust, and talking about how they
would stack up against Kansas City and Buffalo and you know,

(01:34:43):
jumping back into that elite that they were in in
twenty twenty one in twenty twenty two, and if if you,
if you start talking about win in spite of your defense,
that tells me that they can't compete for the things
we talked about them competing for before the season started.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
Absolutely, And we look at how some of these teams
have built kind of around their quarterbacks where I know
how much Banals fans love thinking about the Chiefs, but
they really have an awesome, awesome defense that is carrying
them through some struggles from their quarterbacks.

Speaker 9 (01:35:14):
So I do think it changes what your ceiling is.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
But like the variant, it's still there, like they still
have the high end outcomes. It just has to kind
of fall in your favor multiple times the Raves. Again,
it's a really really good test where of course you
do not want to be going into this game at
one in three, like it thinks.

Speaker 9 (01:35:33):
That September kind of ended up in this way.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
But if you win this game, like all of the hey,
the I mean I even wrote it that the Ravens
are back, like they're a team that can compete.

Speaker 9 (01:35:41):
In the AFC. If you knock them off.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
You really are just right back in it where maybe
some things like you mentioned, you know, you get a
little healthier on defense, things just messed together a little
bit more upfront, and then you're in a conversation for
maybe some of those similar conversations that you'd have before
the season.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
So let's let's say they do that they win this
game on Sunday, and you know, again, now it's it's
game on. You'll have a head to head win against Baltimore.
You're game behind them. I'm sorry, you're you're even up
with them. You're gonna go to New Jersey and play
the Giants and be favored Like it's it's gonna feel
here like this season can get going if Cincinnati wins
this game. Look, Pittsburgh did get off to a three

(01:36:21):
and zero start, but would you would you would you
call it a two team race in the AFC North
between Cincinnati and Baltimore. Am I being too dismissive of
Pittsburgh and way too dismissive of Cleveland?

Speaker 9 (01:36:32):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
I do think Pittsburgh has impressed me really with how
Arthur Smith, the offensive coordinated there, has gotten justin fields
to play a little bit faster and play a little
bit smoother. So you know, it's to be seen if
he can manage that over an entire season, because that
is not an easy thing. It still feels like, you know,
this is kind of a rated the division to lose,

(01:36:53):
even though they're not at the top of the standings. Now,
the Steelers have a fantastic defense, But yeah, the Bengals
win this, I think you can starts with med you
look at it as like a two and a half
team race. I don't think that the Browns offense is
going to be able to get enough things figured out,
even though Nick Chubbs is going to be coming back
this week, and it's still a division where every time
these guys play each other, you're like, it is just

(01:37:13):
brutal game after brutal games for every single player.

Speaker 9 (01:37:16):
But you know, the the margin Perris thing, I feel like,
who keeps saying that?

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
But you know you can you can kind of earn
yourself in there with a good win on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Yeah, well you mentioned Arthur Smith. I don't like him
because I love Des Richard and I think Arthur Smith
ruined him.

Speaker 5 (01:37:33):
Well, you know, it's just there's so much for these quarterbacks,
Like you think about across the league, where in the
NMCS you get Jayden Dangas playing so so well, and
I don't know, I just like, I hate watching some players,
but because I root for every player, I really want
to all.

Speaker 9 (01:37:46):
Of these to succeed and do so well. And it
stinks sometimes when it's just you know, like a little
bit of situation. It's a little bit of coaches, it's
a little bit of how things fall, and it's kind
of cool.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
I think, what do you think about justin Field getting
a second chance in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
M hm. Yeah, and it's good for Jane Daniels, who
seems like an easy kid to root for in a
situation in Washington where he's got the right play caller
and a team that really seems like they're buying into
him individually. We'll do it again next week. Man. Always
good to have you. Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (01:38:18):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
Mom.

Speaker 9 (01:38:19):
I'm looking forward to I'm hoping if after a big
win now we can start to get excited.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
That would be awesome. Follows Sean on x at sayaed Schemes.
Read his Monday morning mashup column at sumersports dot com
and podcast is good as well. These stats and Scheme podcast.
Sean Sayed joins us every single Tuesday, and he is awesome.
It is twenty six away from six o'clock. By the way,

(01:38:43):
the Astros have a run in in the bottom of
the nine tenning and they have the bases loaded down
three to one with two outs and Jason Heyward at
the plate. So Drama in Texas will update on that
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(01:40:51):
opening the Bengals beat the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, but nonetheless,
that game will still be on Sunday Night with Carrie
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By the way, his sister on social media has some
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(01:41:14):
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(01:41:34):
Zip got a man in, had the winning run at
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an absolute bullet that was caught in the air by
Detroit first baseman Spencer Torkelsen. So this is what I
like about the baseball playoffs. Tomorrow an elimination game. Already
Day two of the playoffs. Astros need to win backs

(01:41:55):
against the Wall Game two Tomorrow. Game one between the
Royals and Orioles is in the bottom of the seventh inning.
Baltimore really kind of limped into the postseason their last
two months. They were not very good. After getting off
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(01:42:15):
bottom of the seventh inning. They are underway at whatever
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(01:42:36):
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(01:42:57):
today was on Channel nine and when the game ended,
kicked it to news and there's Tanya O'Rourke and the
other guy and there I don't know the guy's name.
They're talking about Pete Rose. I told my Pete Rose
story before. Pete was a guest on this show three times,
which is not an insane number of times, but three times.

(01:43:19):
I was asked once to participate in a roast of
Pete Rose by the then Florence Freedom, and I said yes,
like the thing at the casino, I was told I
would get paid. Unlike the thing at the casino, actually
didn't get paid, so anyway, but the Florence Freedom had

(01:43:40):
a roast of Pete Rose, and there were four or
five of us, and I was, frankly the least qualified
to be there. But I was the last to go
because I was late getting there. And I was late
getting there because the thing started at six o'clock and
that's when our show ends. So I get there, it's

(01:44:01):
late August, it's hot out, and you know, roasts in
this day and age aren't like they were back in
the seventies. I feel like roasts now like everybody just
says nice things about the roast tea and that's what
kind of what was happening with this roast. And so
I came prepared with like seven to eight jokes, and

(01:44:23):
my first joke was I can't say it on the air,
but I was pretty proud of it, and it got
some laughs, and but it was it was a little like,
it wasn't raunchy, but it just it was raunchy because
a roast, you're supposed to be kind of raunchy. Uh.
And then I told a joke that Josh Sneed wrote

(01:44:46):
for me, and the joke was something to the effect
of Pete had just started doing Sketcher's commercials, and I said,
it's appropriate that Pete's doing commercials for a running shoe
because he's, you know, always running from the truth. And
it gets a roast, right, so you're roasting them. So
I told other jokes, but those were the two that

(01:45:07):
afterward he did not like. And I was sort of
like taken aback by the fact, like Pete, Pete knew
what he was signing up for. He's signing up to
be roasted, right, He's he's gonna get Like the idea
is to tell jokes about him and make fun of
him what a roast is doing. And when the roast ended,
they put us up all in this like Suite the

(01:45:29):
Florence Freedom were playing again, and Pete made it known
that he wasn't happy with my jokes, and I kind
of caught wind of this, and then he approached me,
and he wasn't happy with my jokes, and he didn't
the the raunchy joke that I told he found offensive.
He told me this, and then the the joke about
him running from the truth. He said that that bothers

(01:45:51):
me too, And like I could tell, everybody else in
the was like watching us, like Pete's over there harassing
Moan or Pete's over there kind of giving this dude
a hard time, and so I kind of wanted it
to be known that I understood that everybody was watching
Pete express his displeasure with me for these jokes that
I had told, and so I decided to sort of

(01:46:14):
loudly say something to the effect of Pete Rose, of
all people, is offended by something I have managed to
offend something like that, and Pete laughed, and from that
point he was fine, and we hung out along with
all these other people for the remainder of the night.

(01:46:36):
But I remember feeling like first set and I disarmed him,
and once I did, he was awesome. He was cool.
So there's my other Pete Rose story, maybe not as
cool as the ones from the casino. And I'm not
going to tell the joke that I had told because
I need this job. It is twelve minutes away from
six o'clock. We're a Buffalo Wild Wings here in on

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that's what's happening. We're done. I want to thank the
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to our friends at bud Light. Thanks to the folks
who have come out. We're going to be at the
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(01:47:23):
was here. We're at Milford next week. We'll have stuff
to give away. We're done. Thanks to Terran for producing
on site, Mike Mills. Mike Mills for producing on site
tarn back in Kenwood acts who deserves the applause. I
just really sat here, really didn't do much of anything today.
What else do we have? Anything else? I have to

(01:47:44):
mention Tony and Austin have since he three to sixty
tomorrow noon. We're back at it tomorrow at three zero five.
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