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October 8, 2024 13 mins
Shawn Syed of Sumer Sports and the Stats and Scheme podcast broke down the Bengals/Ravens film, which sounds miserable. Then he joined us, which I guess may also have been more miserable. For him, not us. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Football. Innnetti wrote to you in part by
blend Light and by Skyline Shillie on the official home
of the Lengos, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Twenty three for five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty
on leg or.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Our buddy Sean Sayatt is with us part of the
stats in the Scheme podcast. Also the Monday Morning mashup
column on Sumer Sports, and you can follow Sean on
x at say ed Schemes. Uh, Sean, I'm not in
a good mood after Sunday still, but nonetheless good to
have you.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Oh, I appreciate that. You know, after that loss on Sunday,
I thought first about what our phone call would be like,
and then you know, yesterday I watched the tape. I
spent a little bit of time looking at the AFC standings,
and I don't know, maybe we end this call with
a little bit of positivity.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
All right, Well, first we're going to talk about you
watching the tape, because look, you can watch the offensive
tape and there's a billion positive things to discuss. We will,
but they lose the game because they give up forty
one points and so they tried to blitz Lamar Jackson
forty one times on Sunday. I know you studied that,
walk me through that approach and how flawed or correct

(01:12):
it was.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
You know, we've talked a few weeks now about how
the Bengals have had a tough time generating pressure, and
you know you've got to try something. So you send
a bunch of extra rushers, and you find some ways
where teams like the Dolphins have historically had a little
bit of a good fortune with Brian Floyd's where you
send some of those kind of cover zero pressures where
it looks like there's just four guys kind of standing
out there in coverage and now you're sending seven rushers.

(01:37):
So I'd like the kind of idea of that from
a pass rush perspective. Lamar I thought played just like
a Superhero game. I mean, there's some plays where I
know bengalsans don't want to be replaying those kind of
ending up in touchdowns. But I thought even in the
run game, the Bengals made a real concerted effort to
just stuff the box, just throw extra bodies at the
problem where they obviously get a little bit healthier up front.

(01:58):
You get some new guys on that into your defensive line.
But from a plan perspective, I thought it was fine.
Up from an execution perspective, of course, it was a
lot to be desired, particularly you know, Dave Wower's had
a really good day kind of on the outside. Of course,
the Bengals get another injury at cornerback and then it
starts to feel like, hey, the answers for this defense
though maybe there won't be any.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
So I think when when you see a quarterback complete
a lot of passes to open targets, the the conclusion
that a lot of people draw is the defense is
slow to a degree.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
That's a bit of a subjective term.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
When you watch them on film, do you see a
slow defense in particular in the secondary.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, it's sometimes that does kind of pop up. But
then there's also just like kind of assignment errors. It
feels like or some miscommunication where you know you're supposed
to be in a certain spot or someone has to
be in that spot based on the call. But then
now you have two guys that are kind of covered
the same area. So it's a little bit I think
maybe a connection of just the physical the players that

(03:05):
are on the field, but also I think just like
how some of the execution just it makes it almost
feel a little bit slower, so they do. They're going
to have calls that I think take a little bit
of stress off the cornerbacks, but offenses are going to
find ways to kind of have one on ones where
of course that's what the Bengals do on offense. And
if you can't kind of stop the pass in any
sort of way on a tough day like that, where

(03:26):
I did think the Raven did some good things kind
of moving guys around, kind of having guys going across
the field. It's just it's tough. But again, you know,
Lou I think tried his best. You send a bunch
of pressure, you give them a bunch of different looks.
At least you're doing something on that end.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
How much should we chalk up where they are statistically
on defense to the fact that their two worst games
have come against two of the most efficient offenses in
the league in Baltimore and Washington.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
You know, I think that's a good question. But you
obviously don't get to choose your schedule. You know you're
gonna gonna play who is there. But when you look
at the fundamentals of the defense. It is not a
good unit. Like even you know, you think that they
had a little bit of success against Kansas City, which
obviously it wasn't enough. You're not gonna play Caro or
Baltimore again until a little bit later in the season.

(04:19):
You got the Giants come that next, you got the
Browns come up. You have the Eagles who struggle offense,
the Raiders who you know whatever they are on offense.
So you hope that you just need to be around
defense number twenty. You just can't be defense number thirty
two to be able to kind of sustain a little
bit more success.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, no, that's well said. Sean Sayan is with US
science teams on X we have spent a lot of
time over the last forty eight hours reliving, relitigating, and
second guessing the play calling in overtime. When the Bengals
were given a gift off the Baltimore fumble, they're in

(04:57):
field goal range, they go very conservative, they missed the
kick and look if they get the right hold by
Ryan Rico and.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Evan McPherson makes that kick.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
We're not spending nearly as much time on how the
Bengals chose to play it offensively, but how they played
it offensively for a lot of us seem to kind
of fly in the face of how good Joe Burrow
had been that day, how great Jamar Chase had been
on Sunday, and what the overall strength of the team is.
You look at this from an analytical standpoint. We look

(05:27):
at it sometimes from a more emotional standpoint. What do
you make of how the Bengals chose tactically to handle
things when they got the football in overtime?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
You know, I think whatever way you look at it,
obviously it's a results driven league, but I don't like
the process there because it wasn't like they were on
the Ravens twenty yard line. If they were on the
Ravens like twenty twenty five, I could be like, you
know what, That's not how I would approach it. But
I get it, like I understand you have a really,
really good kicker that you're confident in at home, but
in the day where Joe Burrow was just like off

(06:02):
the charts. You talk about looking at it analytically, like
you do not see games that are able to produce
in that specific way where you're pressing your matchups all
day long between Jamar Chase and t Higgins where it
doesn't matter if Baltimore rolled out the best quarterbacks of
all time, it felt like the ball was gonna end
up in a Bengals uniform. So I was pretty frustrated
with that line. I think, looking back on it and

(06:23):
giving it as much benefit of the doubt, I still
thought it was a bad decision to go three runs
in a row because not even one, and again the
thirty eight yard line. It's not like you're on the twenty.
And I think across the league, pickers are just making
a lot of these deep picks kind of over and over.
So maybe that, you know, lulled you into a little
bit of a false sense of security. And I mean,

(06:44):
Kristen is very very good, so I would have liked
to see, I mean, Candad, I would like to see
three passes because I didn't think that the Ravens were
really gonna stop it, even though you know, the Ravens
did have kind of a nice interception there where a
cornerback is cutting off Chase on that inbreaker. But I
have a hard time looking back at that decision and
feeling positive about it.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
So, you know, offensively, they were awesome. They scored thirty
eight points. Burrow played like an MVP caliber quarterback. Unfortunately,
he and they weren't perfect. They were damn near perfect,
which is what Joe said they had to be last week.
When you watched them offensively a little bit more critically,
give me one or two things that stood out.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
I thought there was there was maybe one or two
times where Burrow was like he turned down kind of
an open receiver. I think that is something that he's got.
He's been more comfortable every week. There's a there's another
start early in the game that it kind of looked
a little bit like that end up interception through where
a defensive back is kind of cutting it off. I
certainly think, you know, you can get things go in

(07:46):
a little bit more in the run game, you know.
I just like, I really like watching Chase Brown as
a runner of the ball, So I definitely think there
are things there where you can kind of you can
nitpick it. I mean, at the same time, it's it
is really really hard because you're leading by multiple points
in this game with just a really really good opportunity.
Even some of the throws, like you have a really

(08:07):
nice little Teagan that Higgins isn't able to come down
with excite, decent play by the defender. So it's hard
to walk away and be like, oh, you know, there's this,
there's a ton of meat on the bone. They're like,
this is a high, high end outcome for again that
you needed to win.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Can they still make the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Okay? I've spent a lot of time thinking about this,
and I really think it. You look at the rest
of this because is this going to be a team
that wins the division? I think probably not. The Ravens
are three and two right now. Off the Bengals are
at one and four. You got a lot of ground
to cover there. If you look at the other wild
card teams, you have the Pittsburgh Steelers at three and two,
you have the Denver Broncos at three and two, and

(08:46):
a bunch of teams at two and three, including the Jets.
The Steelers. I'm just not afraid of the Steelers. We
saw them on side and night struggle against the Cowboys.
I think their defense isn't as good as as it's
been through the start of the year. I don't think
that Justin Fields is gonna be able to like sustain
division winning play. The Denver Broncos have an awesome defense,
they have a rookie quarterback. I think the Bengals, they
Bengals do play them later in this season and will

(09:07):
hopefully be competitive and hopefully can win that game. And
then the Jets just fired their heads. So for a team,
if I just took it in inplation and looked at, hey,
you're one in four, they're probably not going to make
the playoffs. But considering this and considering they are a
top five offense, it's just so so rare for a
top five offense to miss the playoffs, just because offense
is going to be more predictive of wins in this league.

(09:28):
And again, the defense does not have to be a
top ten unit. It doesn't have to be a top
fifteen unit. It just has to be a top twenty unit.
It's just kind of improved a little bit. And I
think when you look at some of the games that
the Bengal have coming up, like they're absolutely gonna have
a chance. Like I said, you got the Giants, you
get the Browns, you get the Eagles are struggling, and
you've got the Raiders. You get a chance to beat
the Steelers twice. You get a chance to beat the

(09:50):
Broncos when it matters. So I think that they're a
team that, like I it's not even that I don't
want to give up on them, Like I think that
they are going to make the playoffs because the offense
is still good. Because of what is happening in the
rest of the conference.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Wow, all right, I can't find anybody who's that optimistic. Like,
my basic sort of take is the offense is too
good to give up on this season. The defense is
so bad that I can't take any opponent for granted,
which you know, I recognize who they play. They're gonna
be favored in I think in each of the next

(10:26):
four games.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
These offenses do not scare you.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
But boy, I guess defensively, there's just nothing to hang
your hat on. On the flip side, they're healthy on offense,
there's multiplicity, Joe is playing like an MVP, and so
I think it's irresponsible to bury them at one and four.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, and again, I keep looking at the rest of
the conference. If it was a year where they were
just like, for example, the NFC has fourteenth Dynasty North
that I think can make the playoffs. I think that
the AFC as of just a whole entire conference overall,
isd some struggles where coming into the ear, we thought
the Bills, the Jets, and the Dolphins with all the
legitimate playoffs contenders, two is out, the Jets are being

(11:08):
the Jets, and then things even in the AFC South,
But the Jaguars are at one and four. I think
maybe that was a team that people thought could have
been a little bit better than they are right now.
So you know, whatever the Bengals record is, they just
have to be the seventh team overall, like that's all
they have to get you the only one game off
of that pace right now. And I just I just
can't bet against the offense. I can't, And that's what's

(11:30):
always going to be more predictive of wins. At the
same time, the defense is bad, like capital be bad
right now, and that is certainly going to be other
thing that is that's gonna be the limited here. But
I just keep thinking, hey, they Dublin has to be
the best.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
The best.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Things just gotta be okay. It just has to be
fine to give your offense enough opportunities to win.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I've put the magic number at four if they could.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
If they can force four punts a game, that's one
a quarter, they're gonna win. They for seven over the
last four games, So I've made the magic number four. Uh,
most teams get eleven drives per game. If they can
force four punch on this team's gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I'm just not sure they can.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, Hey, it's gonna be a good test. And I
do like that. You mentioned you played two really really
good offenses in last week and you're just you're not
playing those offenses for the next few weeks. Like it
is going to look different here and now looks if
they dropped to one in five, then if it does
the oppos the meter absolutely turned to as low as
possibly do we start talking about, Hey, mom, maybe we

(12:33):
can talk about something else. I don't know, are there
well this books are going on uh in Ohio. But
I still think like there's just there's just not a
reason to give up her beast on what else is
going on in THEFC?

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, the reds desk just hired Terry Francona, so I'll
make you bone up on him. But hopefully that's not
the case. We could talk about a win in New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
On uh on Sunday night. Always in the Hevy Man.
Thank you so much, appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Read Shawn's Peace Monday Morning mashup for sumersports dot Com
and catch.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
The Stats and Scheme podcast as well.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
It is twenty four. We are way late, twenty four
away from six o'clock. We're here at Buffalo Wild Wings
in Milford on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Now you've been listening to football Inminetti on the official
home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty

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