10/10/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 3 (00:31):
All right, there you go, what's up? I'm Malegar.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
This is the Ortho Sinsi Molegar Show on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Thank you for joining us. Hopefully you're having an awesome Thursday. Hopefully,
ideally we're having an awesome Thursday. This is our last show,
not ever, though, I guess in this business you never know.

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It's our last show of the week. It's our last
show before the Bengals play the Giants on Sunday night
on ESPN fifteen thirty. It's our last show before UC
plays on Saturday, which, as of now their scheduled to
do their schedule to leave tomorrow and as of this moment,

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nothing has happened with the game. It hasn't been moved,
they haven't changed the date, they haven't changed the venue.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
That could still happen, as of now, it hasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
This is our last show before a massive college football weekend.
There is so much to get to today. Chad Brindle's
going to join us at three forty five to talk
about the Bearcats.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
We are looking forward to that. Lee Sterling at the.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Bottom of the hour, because he makes his money every
single week on pro and college football. He's going to
join us in about thirty minutes. I hope he is
okay and say, in fact, I should have reached out.
He lives in Florida, but he has sent me his
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your credit union with heart since nineteen thirty nine. Just
go to Emery FCU dot org. So the Bengals, they
got this game on Sunday against the Giants, and you
know last week, the massive game, the big game, the
big showdown against the Ravens. Some labeled it Ay must win,

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but they didn't win and yet the people who are
calling it a must win now they're backtracking, right, no, no, no, no, no,
no no, Now.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
This one is the must win.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Like I will say this as as much as and
I spent a lot of time yesterday being the optimistic guy.
And by the way, I nobody who told me that
I was wrong, so I don't want to hear it
if I end up being wrong, which that always happens.
I think the Bengals are going to go to Baltimore
four weeks from tonight with a chance not to win

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the game. I think they have a chance to win
the game, but but a chance to use that as
a jumping off point. And to me, these next four
games are an opportunity to get to that game and
then use it as a jumping off point. I think
they at worst have to go three and one. Best
case obviously would be going four and oh I think anything.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Shy of that.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
It starts to get really hard to imagine this team
playing in the postseason. But my money is on Joe Burrow.
And I said this often yesterday and we made a
social media clip. My money is on Joe Burrow. I
think the Bengals are gonna win three of their next
four games. I think you are being foolish if you
look at how this offense is playing and are, you know,

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declaring the season over. I think you're being irresponsible if
you just chalk these next four games up as wins.
Because with this defense, you know, you really can't take
anybody for granted. But with this offense playing the way
it has, and with Joe Burrow putting up the best
numbers of his career so far, at least across the board,
a good, efficient, well constructed offense and offensive.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Line that's playing well for the most part, you cannot
count out the Bengals.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
You cannot, and so I'm not going to frustrated about
Sunday frustrated about the one and four start not counting
them out. My money, quite literally is on the Bengals
winning at least three of their next four. Now for
that to happen, the defense has to do its part.

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Doesn't have to be great. That's the good news, right,
you know, we don't need them to pitch shutouts. They
don't have to do what two other opponents have done
to the New York Giants, which is hold them without
a touchdown. They just have to be Okay, I've set
the bar at four punts, and I've done this kind
of tongue in cheek. But you know, Taran asked me

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before the show, like, where do you start with fixing
this defense? What do you want to see? And and
my response was, I want them to be better on
third down. I want them to be better on third
third down, coming off a game in which they were
they allowed the Ravens to go ten to fifteen on

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third down, couldn't get off the field, could not get
off the field. The Bengals right now are thirty first
in the NFL in opposing third down percentage. Teams are
converting at a forty seven point five percent rate. That's
not good enough. Only Atlanta is worse. Over the last

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three games, the Bengals are allowing teams to convert on
fifty eight percent of their third downs.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
So I'm just starting with that. And I joked about
this earlier this week.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I'm still waiting for a local pizza establishment to take
me up on this punts for pizza. But I think
the magic number is four. If the Bengals force four
punts per game, they're gonna be fine. Now, if you
could throw into the mix of an interception or a
fumble recovery, or maybe you blow up and you stop
a team on fourth down and they turn it over

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on downs and maybe you get good field position out
of it.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
The Bengals have forced teams to punt over the last
four games seven times. Patriots punted at five times. But
the Bengals didn't lose to the Patriots because of their defense.
So give me four punts. It's basically thirty six point
four percent of drives four punts. By the way, if

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the Bengals forced punts on thirty six point four percent
of their drives, that would put them at fifteenth in
the NFL in opposing third down conversion percentage.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
They need to be middle of the pack. So let's
start there.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And I think that can happen. I think it can
happen against the Giants, And if it.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Does again, I'm gonna make a full out of myself
on Sunday night on Twitter, which I do all the time.
Documented I'm gonna count the punts. Four punts, four punts,
Bengals win. So to do that, what has to happen, Well,
they need more of a pass rush. We know that
secondary has got to be better, fewer explosive plays, better

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at tackling, maybe being in better position, do better on
early downs.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
But like, you can name the part of defense.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
That you want the Bengals to be good at, and
you're naming something that they're not good at. Right, I
didn't say that. Well, but name a part of defense
and you're naming a part that has to get better
that they're not good at anything. So I'm starting on
third down and I'm starting with forcing punts. The defensive
players have started with having the players only meeting. And

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I know in sports, the players only meeting is kind
of cliche. You hear this a lot in baseball that like,
oh boy, they had the players only meeting. You know
what's next manager getting fired, or it's the sign of
a desperate team, or it's the sign of a team
that's spiraling out of control.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Well, first of all, the Bengals should be desperate. They're
one in four.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like, if you're not desperate now at one and eight,
who cares if you're not desperate? Now, when are you
going to be desperate? Desperate where it matters? So, okay,
they're desperate, But I'm gonna say this and I've worked
in this business for twenty seven years now for the
same company, and I'm very proud of that, by the way,

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And for the most part, I've had really good bosses.
For the most part, good bosses, but you're know, when
the most productive creative sessions occur.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
When the bosses aren't there.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Now, I might work for people who hear that and
they don't like it, but that's just me telling you
how it's been. When there have been issues, whether it's
with a show, whether it's with an idea, whether it's
with you know, us being short handed for something, trying
to come up with something, whatever it's been planning for

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an event, We've had meetings that the boss has called.
I used to work for somebody and we had more
employees back then who had a weekly meeting at one
o'clock every Thursday. By the way, the reason I got
the end of this business is no meetings. I don't
want to wear a tie. I don't want to go
to meetings. That's why I'd hate to be a football coach.
They have meetings every day, No thanks, at least I

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don't wear ties. But the most productive, the best, the
most free flowing sessions, I have ever been a part
of have been when there's no authority figure there. Now,
I'm not trying to equate what I do or what
most of us do, to what NFL players do, but

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I'm not discounting that being a productive session.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Time will tell and look, there is a limit to
what this team can do.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
The reality is they don't have a lot of good
in their prime players that could disrupt an opposing team's
game plan. But if your first response to this was
to ridicule it, I think that's a little bit unfair.
First of all, the fact that they participated in a
meeting does tell you that, well, they care, and you

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might argue, well they should care, But I don't know
what would be more damning to me would be if
they repeat these performances the team is one and four
and the players just proceed as usual. I think the
fact that they've had a meeting would tell you they
understand the urgency they're dealing with here, they understand the
importance of getting better. And I think there's also some

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accountability there. We've talked a lot about accountability right with
the Reds David Bell. David Bell didn't hold the players
accountable and whether he did or did not as kind
of water under the bridge, but accountable. I think sometimes
it's easier to hold your colleagues accountable than it is
for your boss to hold you accountable.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Here, colleagues are the people that you can relate to
a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Your colleagues sometimes are the ones whose success or lack thereof,
hinges on your performance, sometimes less so than the guy
in charge. I don't know, man, So I wasn't at
the meeting. I wasn't at the players only meeting. Chances
are not a whole lot of details are going to
come out of it. That should be the case. But
I don't discount the possibility that maybe ideas were exchanged

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with a little bit more freedom than had the coaches
been in there, or that gripes with one another might
have been aired out a little bit more freely without
the coaches being there. Sometimes more gets done without the
boss being there. That's my experience, and I think that

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applies to sports teams. I think it could apply to
the Bengals. Just think about it, man. You know, if
if you've ever been in one of those meetings, your
boss calls it, and you know, if you call out
one of your co workers, and he or she is
in there right, I'm talking about the boss. It feels
like you're tattling on them. But if it's just you

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and your peers, you and your team, you and the
people that you work with, you might be a little
bit more willing to call somebody out and say it
to their face. Where you're not tattling on anybody, you're
not trying to get anybody in trouble, you're not politicking
for their job. So I don't know if the meeting's
gonna work. I'm looking for four punts on Sunday. If

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they get to that, I'll be happy because I think
the Bengals win. But the reaction to the players only
meeting shouldn't be derision, shouldn't be to make fun of,
and shouldn't be to use that as a signal of doom.
The signal of doom might be Bengals play the Giants
and they give up thirty eight more points to a
team that is not as good as Baltimore, to a

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team that is not as good as Washington, to a
team that it's not looking good for elik neighbors. So
that would beat make fun of that, don't make fun
of the players taking some ownership, holding each other accountable,
and to try to come up with ways to get
this thing back on course. Seventeen minutes after four o'clock,

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seventeen minutes after three o'clock, reading o' clock is hard.
We're now we're gonna have to have a meeting where
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is going to be an awesome football weekend. It starts
with Thursday night football Tonight. We've got just an incredible
slate of games on Saturday. I, as a college football fan,
will admit to you there's I'm a little conflicted because
I think it's ridiculous some of these conference matchups. I'm

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watching col versus Miami late on Saturday night. The fact
that a team on or a school on the Pacific
Coast is in the Atlantic Coast Conference is ridiculous. It's
ridiculous the amount of distance that we have some of
these conferences covering, going from coast to coast. But at
the end of the day, you know what I care
about most, I want great games, and I as a

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college football and basketball fan, we're going to do this
in college basketball too this year. College basketball is my
favorite sport. You know, the portal nil, all this stuff
that people don't like. I don't know anybody who doesn't
like nil. At the end of the day, the games
are so good. This college football season has been insanely entertaining.
In the twelve team college football playoff, which I will
admit to you years ago I was totally opposed to,

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it hasn't diluted the importance of some of the games
we're gonna get this week, like Ohio State Oregon, Georgia
Alabama two weeks ago, which was one of the most
entertaining college football games you will ever watch. And yet
you can lose and there's forgiveness. You can still get
to the playoff, which is what we all want. This
season's been awesome. Obviously, uc and UCF. I tell you what,

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man in or if you read the Orlando paper, they
bran this a rivalry, and again I have not heard
whether or not they are moving the game. It does
feel like the worst of what was expected in the
Orlando area did not necessarily materialize, and that's a good thing.
But they've labeled this a rivalry tenth straight year SE
and UCF have met, and I've talked about this a

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little bit this week. This game on Saturday really does
provide the Bearcats with a jumping off point. I've used
that term a lot as it relates to the Bengals,
to a jumping off point. If they can beat UCF
on Saturday, assuming the game is gonna be played on
Saturday and you have a chance to come home play
Arizona State, there's gonna be some really tough games down
the road. You know, going to Colorado is not gonna

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be easy by any stretch. Going to Iowa State it's
gonna be really really hard. Going to Kansas State it's
gonna be really really hard. But I don't know, man,
I think there's a tendency to get so down on
them after every single loss, and granted, you know, it's
still a coach who's trying to earn some cachet with
a lot of fans, and the way they lost the

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Pittsburgh game was really hard to swallow. They've lost two
games by a combined total of five points to one
team that is unbeaten and the other team which followed
up its win over uc with a pretty good win
last week. Now, the next step is figuring out ways
to win some of those games against equal competition or
in some cases better competition. Vegas has made UCF a

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three point favorite in this game. The Knights have lost
two straight games. They are a bit of a wounded
animal that the Bearcats can go there and win. You know,
then I think we could we talk about what they
can make of themselves in the second half of the season.
Five point three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty is our
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let's do let's do an exercise as it relates to
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We'll spend some time on that. Also, try to examine
af F FC Cincinnati can pull itself out of its
recent doldrums in time for the postseason, but first try
to make some money on pro and college football this
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Malik Neighbors remains in the concussion protocol. That is not
good news if you're a Giants fan hoping for his
return on Sunday. Nothing from an injury standpoint from the
Bengals as of yet. Bengals and Giants Sunday Evening for
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Bengals cj Uzama has been signed to the Philadelphia Eagles
practice squad, perhaps worth paying attention to with Philly coming
here in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
If he's elevated, he'll play.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Against his former team forty nine ers in Seahawks tonight
on Thursday Night Football in Fox Sports thirteen to sixty.
There has been no change yet as to the status
of Saturday's scheduled UC UCF game in Orlando. Speaking of UC,
the Big twelve preseason basketball poll is out. The Bearcats
pick to finish sixth Kansas, Houston, Iowa State, Baylor, Arizona

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one through five, and the American League Division Series continue tonight.
You'll have a Cleveland trying to stay alive in Detroit
down to one of the Tigers, and the Yankees up
to one on Kansas City Game four in Casey tonight.
All right, let's make some money with our guy Lee
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his home in Florida.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Are you you're good? As the power on? What's going on?

Speaker 4 (20:13):
So we're actually at the office. Power actually never went off.
We had some winds of like thirty to thirty five
miles an hour, so looks pretty good. A few trees down,
but nothing major. And you know, I just want to
say my heart goes out to people who were in
the line of the hurricane. It was a bad one.
I mean, there's three million people without power, so you know,

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just I've been through it before. I lost my home
in Hurricane Andrew in ninety two, so not something that's easy.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
So I have seen very few things in my life
like watching the footage late last night of the roof
being blown off Tropicana Field in Saint Petersburg.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Crazy. So I didn't see it. I can only hear it.
So I was in a home that I thought that
I had just finished redoing the entire home in ninety two.
Turned out we were downstairs. We had a safe room
that we poured concrete inside concrete in one of the bedrooms.
We had the hurricane come basically down our street with

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a tornado in it. It had one hundred and sixty
five mile hour winds normally Tourricane Andrew with the tornado
was two hundred and twenty five miles an hour. All
that was left of my upstairs was cinderblock and.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
A tub, nothing else.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
And they found I had a lock box with my
grandfather some letters I had saved in a metal lock box.
Someone returned it to me a month later. They lived
four miles away from me. Wow, oh my, well to
shows you how powerful it is. You want to stay
at a harm's.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Way if at all, popp No, no questions talking about
everybody down there, and glad you're good. Let's turn to
far less important matters. The pro and college football weekend.
This weekend is awesome. Fourteen and four you are over
the last two weekends. So let's begin with that game
that right now is scheduled for Saturday. It's in Florida,
in Orlando, the Bearcats, coming off of bye. UCF has

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lost two straight games. Cincinnati a field goal underdog on
the road.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah, I mean these two teams and conference play, whatever
conference that they've been in, it has not been good.
I mean Cincinnati thirteen twenty and two against the spread
in AAC and Big twelve place in twenty twenty Central
Florida twelve twenty three over that same span. Also, so

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Gusmalson is just I mean, this guy's just not getting
the job done here. Right now, Cincinnati has a bye
week with revenge for last season's twenty eight twenty six
for home loss. kJ Jefferson has just he was an
anchor last year for Arkansas at quarterback doing the they're
getting worse and worse. And also multiple UCF players are

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transferring the last ten days. I think Brendan Sorosby is
gonna have another big game. Twelve touchdowns, just one interception
the year, so under the radar nationally here. And I
think UCF also might be distracted because of the hurricane.
I like the Bearcats thirty seven to twenty seven, right.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Very good, very good. One of many many marquee games.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
This weekend actually features a former UCF quarterback with Dylan Gabriel,
and the Oregon Ducks hosting the Ohio State buck Eyes.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
So two teams that I think are going to be
there in the end. Here's the difference. And now there
is a crazy trend that teams crossing, you know, going
across the country in the Big Ten to play if
not farewell, one in seven straight up three and five
against the spread. But here's the problem for Oregon. I
think they have trouble with good offenses. They face Boise State,

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and Boise State ran for two twenty one on them,
and when they won thirty eight to thirty four, none
of those points that they gave up on defense where
a fluke. In fact, they won the game on a
punt and a kickoff return. Something's wrong with Dylan Gabriel.
Just not the same quarterback that we saw at UCF
and also Oklahoma. I don't know whether he's injured, just

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doesn't There's just no cohesion with any of the receivers.
He's thrown three big interceptions in the red zone. Dan
Lanning also can't trust him. Watch him when he gets
close in a big game, he'll start going for it
and early in the third quarter. I like Ohio State
thirty four to twenty four, all right.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
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team gives up forty one points at home and then
goes on the road the following week and they're favored,
and they're favored. Easy for me to say, And yes,
that's what's happening on Sunday night with the Bengals as
they take all the Giants.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yeah, I mean that was just a gut wrenching loss.
Gut wrenching loss last week.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
Tough.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
I mean it is tough. You're going from being a
home underdog to a road favorite. Usually not a great combination.
But that's the scenario here for the Bengals find themselves
in after suffering that loss. Cincinnati's pattern has been played
extremely tough against the elite teams, with losses to the
Chiefs and the Ravens in overtime by combined four points,

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while losing the lesser opponents such as the woeful Patriots
and the Commanders, which are is improved here. The Giants
returned back home, they dominated the game against Seattle. I
mean they gave up one hundred and two yard fumble
return when they held the ball for ten minutes on
that drive here, and they still produced twenty nine points

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and rolled up four hundred and twenty total yards.

Speaker 8 (25:49):
Here.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
It looks like Neighbors will not play in the game,
but I think Devin Singletary's trending towards playing here and
this line would be closer to or pick them if
the Giants had won. And I mean they blew one
of the games when Graham Gano suffered an injury, leaving
them temporarily without a suitable kicker for that game. So
I know Joe Burrow is clicking here. Ten touchdowns, two

(26:11):
interceptions here, but this Giants team really good in the trenches.
I'm gonna go with the Giants team they have they've
wrecked up twenty two sacks this year, Giants thirty to
twenty seven.

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You got a Raiders team that has changed quarterbacks and
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All right, man, we'll talk next week. Hope the power
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Speaker 3 (27:39):
Chadrendel paracat journal dot com.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
The UC football team is scheduled to play UCF on Saturday.
The UC basketball team men's basketball team picked to finish
sixth in the Big twelve preseason media poem.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Chad's here, Hi, Chad, all how many.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Times since uh, let's say Tuesday afternoon has someone asked
you if you know about the status of the UC
UCF game?

Speaker 8 (28:08):
A couple hundred at least?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
How about you?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Maybe not quite that many, but I'll put the number
in the three figures. Let me run this past you
and see if your experience is the same as mine.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
So I have been asked often like have you heard
anything about the game? Do you know what's going to happen?
And my response has been I really haven't heard anything concrete.
The folks I've talked to down there are waiting to
find out if you know that there are enough emergency
personnel to staff the game, if they have enough people

(28:43):
to serve as vendors. But nobody knows right now, and
we'll find out at some point today, I'm guessing, but
maybe they make a decision tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
And then when I give that answer, the person who
has asked me about the status of the game will
then say definitively either oh, the play or they're not
going to play the game, which makes me wonder, why
did you ask me to begin with?

Speaker 8 (29:06):
Correct, I have had basically the same experience, And then
when i've last night, I was trying to give my
perspective on what I thought, and then I had people
in my in the chat for the live show or
in my direct messages telling me that I am from
Florida and you have no clue what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
So again, if if you're if you're asking me but
you already know what's going to happen, you could save
yourself and myself some time and energy by just just
not asking me.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
If you're going to ignore what I say.

Speaker 8 (29:37):
So now, now what I learned is because Orlando is
inland that they just ride it out. Yeah, like those
people don't evacuate. Somebody told me last night, like eighty
to ninety percent of the residence of Orlando wrote it
out because they don't have to worry about storm surge.
They do this all the time. By the time it

(29:58):
gets to them, it'll be like a category three or
a Category two, and for them that's not much of
a big deal, And it's just a matter of like
do they have power, and what is like the infrastructure,
like how does that look? And if things are not
a complete disaster, then they'll play the game. Yes, that's

(30:19):
what they think down there.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
I tried to explain to somebody that I had talked
with somebody who works in athletics at UCF, and the
answer I got was, well, the campus has been reopened,
We're going to check the stadium. We have to make
sure we could staff the game, and we have to
make sure that the authorities tell us, you know what,
we're better off using our resources elsewhere to.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
People who need them. And that determination hasn't been made yet,
And yet it feels like it's frustrating to a lot
of folks when I provide that answer, So I didn't
know if you wanted to double down on that, add
some clarity, or just ignore the topic entirely.

Speaker 8 (30:56):
Yeah, residents of Orlando fully believe that this game will
go as planned tomorrow, Yeah Saturday. I, like I said,
I do not I do not know. Like I said,
I am guessing we tend to be more freaked out
about this than they are because they do this all
the time where we look at it and we're like,

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oh my god, and they look at it and go,
oh Tuesday.

Speaker 7 (31:21):
So you know, like.

Speaker 8 (31:26):
We things that we that happen here, like we get
used to we deal with them. They're like down there
they deal with hurricanes hurricane season, so that like they're
fully prepared to deal with hurricanes. To see the video
the other day where the guy opened his door in
his kitchen, they're an alligator in there. Did you hear
what the wife said in that video to start the video.

Speaker 7 (31:50):
Again, like.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
Steve the alligator when it gets bad out in our kitchen.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
All right, So let's talk about the football game itself.
This feels like this feels like a swing game. You know,
they get this one on the road. You know, I
think we're gonna start to feel pretty good about them
being able to get to a win total that we're
all going to be satisfied with. Lose this one and
the math gets a little dicey.

Speaker 8 (32:18):
Yeah. I mean, if you're four and two going into
a home game, homecoming against a beatable Arizona State team
that is going to be playing at nine o'clock in
the morning on their internal clocks, I think you feel
you feel like, you know, maybe momentum is is siding
with the Bearcats three and three. You know this UCF

(32:44):
team right now, other than r. J. Harvey and their
run defense is pretty good. Other than those two things,
I don't know what they do well. Their past defense
is dreadful. They get no pass rush. kJ Jefferson looks
I had to laugh. On Tuesday at the press conference,

(33:06):
Scott Springers said to Jake goldad kJ Jefferson is about
your size, and I wanted to kJ Jefferson looks like
Jake Gold eight eight Corey Kiner. That is not what
that is not what kJ Jefferson looks like. But he

(33:27):
is not having a good season, that they are not
playing good defense, and they are They're already kind of
falling apart. It feels like they are one more loss
away from who knows, Like we're talking about firing gus
mouths on and like losing the team. Like things are
ugly down there. They will be playing with their backs

(33:48):
against the wall. But all of this week has been
Hurricane Milton down there. So how much have they really
had to practice? How much have these guys been worried
about their families and you know, what's going on at
home and what they have to deal with. How much
did they get to, like, you know, prepare for the
bear Cats. So you have an opportunity here, you better

(34:11):
take advantage, are you Okay?

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (34:15):
I just had to clear my throat and I was
trying not to do it like while I was talking,
but that's usually the bad way to do it.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
So the Texas Tech game was it sucks to lose.
It sucks to lose the way they did. I think
what made it more sobering was that during the game,
it felt like every five minutes, if not more frequently,
a UC player was coming out of the game and
usually not returning. Scott Saderfield on Tuesday painted a pretty
rosy picture from an injury perspective.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Did that reflect reality?

Speaker 4 (34:48):
It seems like it.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
I mean, you know, we're not going to find out
until Saturday, hopefully, but you know, from all indications, everybody
butt came Rutherford on the defensive line was at least
a limited participant in practice. Some were back to full participation.

(35:09):
Some had the yellow, you know, no contact jersey on.
But they were out there and going through individuals and
doing football activity. It wasn't like, you know, where you
get a report from Paul Dayer and Richard Skinner that's like, Okay,
this guy's on the practice field like jogging like. It

(35:30):
didn't feel like it was a lot of that. It
was getting guys ready to go. So I mean, they
came out of that with twenty five guys on the
injury report, and Cam Rutherford's the only one that seems
like I would consider unlikely for Saturday. Aaron Hemmler and
his staff need a raise because they put in some
serious works since the Texas Tech game.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, I mean, I I was waiting, I was anticipating
on Tuesday for him to read a long list of
guys that you know, might not be available for this game.
So it was it was pretty encouraging, then let me
switch gears. Chabrendel Bearcat Journal dot com. We did the
segment last week and we went wall to wall basketball
within the hour. The Big twelve preseason poll is out.

(36:10):
The Bearcats pick to finish sixth. That feels about right,
Do you agree?

Speaker 7 (36:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (36:16):
Yeah, I think you know, the toss up for me
is them in Texas Tech. I don't think in good
conscience you could put them above Kansas, Houston, Baylor, Iowa
State in Arizona. Like it feels like those are the
clear top group. But then there's a group of Texas Tech,
Cincinnati BYU Kansas State that feels like that second group

(36:41):
right behind those top five. And I think Cincinnati is
right there near the top of that group. So I
you know, best case scenario I think was sixth, So
I'm happy with six If they would have been seventh
or eighth, that would not have bothered me either.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah. I kind of guess somewhere in this six to
eight range, and so they were on the high side
of that. You and I last week talked a lot
of basketball. The Tyler McKinley news hadn't yet been public,
and he's not going to play this year with a
knee injury. I'm heartbroken for him, and I asked you
this not on the radio, like how much of an
impact was he going to make this year? And it
felt like he was going to get a chance to

(37:18):
show what he can do. So walk me through the
impact of him not being able to play this year.

Speaker 8 (37:24):
I think where it makes an impact is now you
really only have two centers and going through a thirty
game season. You know we've seen last year as these
wrenched his back that cost him a couple of games
and it limited him in some others. And that's the case,
then Aaronton Page is your only big male, you know,

(37:45):
legitimate big man on the roster, and you know that's
not a great place. Although it's interesting because this league
there's not a lot of thoughts. A lot of teams
play like you know, what used to be like an
old traditional power forward. Those are the guys playing the
fives in this league. So you know, if you have

(38:07):
to play Dylan Mitchell at the five or you have
to figure out, like what are we going to do
at that position. It's not like the old Big East
where like you know, Hashim Thabiit and Aaron Gray and
you know a litany of just like big monstrous dudes
are are coming down the pipe, but it does hinder
your death. And I really thought that Tyler was having

(38:30):
the type of offseason where he was going to challenge
Aaronton Page for that backup center spot. So that part
of it is heartbreaking. The other part that's more heartbreaking
is Tyler is an incredible kid. I don't say this
often Gary Clark Tray Scott level human being, and it
breaks my heart that, you know, first practice he has

(38:52):
something like this happened, and he was having such a
great offseason and he's just getting to know him being local,
you know, I've seen him out events and we've kind of,
you know, struck up a bond over the past couple
of years through his recruitment process. I'm really pulling for
the kid, and it was it was heartbreaking to hear.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
So that's kind of where I was going to go next,
because he came to a lot of UC games last
season and after a game just comes up and introduces
himself and I I go I walked away from that.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
I think I said to Terry Nelson like that, that's
a the kids in high school.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
That's it, and he's going to be playing for them,
And I'm like, so I've I've kept that interaction in
mind as i've kind of, you know, read about his injury,
and I hate it for him.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I hated it for any player, but I hated Fork. Yeah,
it sucks.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
So hopefully he uh gets uh, goes through a normal
recovery process and we're talking about him taking the floor
for the Bearcats next season.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Have you heard anything since.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
We started talking six minutes ago about the status of
Saturday's game.

Speaker 8 (39:59):
My phone ones, but I didn't answer it because I
didn't think you would take kindly to that.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I mean, it wouldn't have been great, would have been
counterproductive to what we're trying to do, all right.

Speaker 8 (40:08):
I mean, actually, if I tell people who called, I'll
probably take some heat. Well, now I want to know
new the athletic trainer for my daughter's volleyball team. Oh
so I probably need to call him back as soon
as we get off the phone. But I didn't want
to put you on hold. I didn't know how well
that would go. Give me give me a minute, mo,
I'll be like, would.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Have been kind of weird. Well, hopefully everything's okay. And
uh well we'll talk next week.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
All right, thanks bos our guy.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
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Speaker 3 (40:55):
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Speaker 1 (41:00):
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(41:29):
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Speaker 9 (41:32):
Jets interim coach Jeff Albrich demoted offensive coordinator Dethano Hacking
and is giving the play calling duty is the passing
game coordinator Todd Downey, and the move did not come
as a shot to ESPN host Chris carly Am.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
I surprised that this is the case.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 10 (41:48):
They can't sell the idea of Nathaniel Hackett publicly being
the offensive coordinator at this point. But for me, right now,
all of this now just falls in the lap of
the quarterback as if wasn't ready, but even more so
now publicly he will be the one to point too
and get the success too if they win and make
the playoffs, and blame if they don't hurt.

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Speaker 7 (43:10):
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Speaker 1 (43:14):
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Speaker 3 (43:29):
I'm I'm having fun with the whole, you.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Know, game cancelation thing. It hasn't been canceled. It's I
don't think it's gonna be canceled all right now. It
kind of feels like they're going to play the thing
on time, but I.

Speaker 8 (43:42):
It is, it is.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
It is interesting how many people have spoken definitive terms
that the game is either not going to be played
or will be played.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
How about we all just wait and see what happens.
I hope they do play it. I hope they do
play it. By the way, you know, we're not supposed
to say this. I like the Bounce House. I like
going to Orlando that they've they've had some fun games
with each other. That's a fun place to go watch
a college football game. And so hopefully they play it
on Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
One of the one of the things that I've held
onto doing this show for the amount of time that
I have.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Two thousand and nine Bengals are one of my favorite
all time Bengals teams for a few different reasons.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
It started that summer.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
They were on hard knocks and in the middle of
this stretch of time where into the Bengals had missed
the playoffs the previous three years, they had had a
lot of guys who had gotten in trouble off the field.
In two thousand and nine kind of pulled back the
curtain and we had a chance to get to know
some of those guys a little bit. Stars like Chad
Johnson and more anonymous players like Tom Nelson comes to mind.

(44:53):
And then as the season went on, they swept the
AFC North. They won every game. They dealt with tragedy.
Mike Zimmer's wife passed away during the season. We lost
Chris Henry during the season. But what I loved most
about that team wasn't really overachieved. It really really overachieved.
The late Cedric Benson at times he was the offense.

(45:14):
I think he got MVP votes that year. And a
franchise that had not really been known for having a
very good defense for years for decades, really suddenly in
two thousand and nine had a really, really good defensive unit.
But I remember doing this show that season and I
didn't feel good about their playoff chances. I thought they'd

(45:36):
make the playoffs, and it was clear as we got
to like December, they would be a playoff team, But
I didn't love their chances of advancing in the postseason.
Part of it is, you know, I think you should
do this whenever you're kind of handicapping a playoff field,
especially from a gambling perspective, and just look.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
At our fatal flaws. Who has the biggest fatal flaws.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
It's like in basketball, if you're a bad free throw
shooting team, you get to the NCAA tournament, I think
that's gonna catch up to you, right, And it often does.
And sometimes at the absolute worst moments, what's your fatal flaw?
And that team's fatal flaw was it's offense just wasn't great.
Carson Palmer was not very good that year. Chad Johnson
had a nice season, but nothing not nearly as good

(46:18):
as compared to what he had been years prior. And
I remember as the season went along, I think I
said this one day that celebrating a victory or getting
wrapped up in the outcome, that's an emotional thing. But
sometimes talking about your team that's not an emotional thing.
And you have to apply context and criteria and things

(46:38):
like that. And so I sat in a studio for
weeks on end and had people get mad at me
because the Bengals would win a game and I would go,
but that is awesome. Now let's talk about the team itself.
This offense isn't going to work. And as it turned out,
as the season started to wrap up, offensively, it was
abundantly clear that team was really going to advance, and

(47:01):
they got to the playoffs. They played in the cold
Weather game against the Jets, and they were not very
good offensively, made some mistakes.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Let Thomas Jones run for a billion yards, but it
caught up to him.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
But the key thing for me that year and as
just kind of getting starting out doing this, and it
was one of the first times that as a fan
of a team talking about a team, I had to
kind of separate how I felt about the outcome and
kind of break things down I hate to say analytically,
but do it a little bit less emotionally. I think
the same can apply when a team is losing, getting

(47:36):
caught up in the result on Sunday, that's an emotional thing.
That's why I've said my entire career, I don't love
doing postgame shows. Sometimes the show on Monday is even
a little bit difficult compared to what we do on Wednesday,
because there's emotion and I like to sometimes just take
a step back and think about things just a little bit.

Speaker 7 (47:59):
Now.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
I haven't changed my opinion on things like what Zach
Taylor did in overtime and how that should have been handled,
and haven't changed my opinion of, you know, talking about
some of the decisions that were made on the field,
but step away from the emotion and talk about a
team at least a little independent of its most recent

(48:21):
outcome or even its record. And I think if you
do that, you can get to the same place that
I'm at. Sometimes I do this and the record's really good.
Twenty eighteen. I think I used this example yesterday. Kind
of forget the Bengals got off to a four and
one start Marvin Lewis's last year. I got off to

(48:42):
a four and one start. And if if you remember,
they they won a game during that run to cap
off a four and one start. Tyler Eifert got hurt.
They're in Atlanta and they they win a game on
a last second AJ Green touchdown thirty six or thirty
seven to thirty six, And.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
I remember.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Being excited about the victory and then on the air
the next day going defensively, this isn't gonna work. They
had been torched the previous week in a game they
lost to the Carolina Panthers. Prior to that, they had
given up over four hundred yards to the Baltimore Ravens.
And so yeah, they were winning games but it felt

(49:27):
like they were kind of a house of cards because defensively,
it's not gonna work. And as it turned out, a
team was almost historically bad on defense and finished with
a six and ten record, and Marvin Lewis Scott let go.
So you could do that when the outcomes are good.
I think you can do it when the outcomes aren't good.

(49:48):
I am bullish on their chances not to win the
Super Bowl. I know I touched on this often yesterday.
I'm bullish on their chances to get to the midway
point of the season and one of those teams that
has a chance, because when your offense is this good,
not that they're gonna score thirty eight points this Sunday night.

(50:10):
When your offense is this good, at some point it's
gonna result in victory. Maybe not as many as we
would like, maybe not easy victories, but at some point
it's gonna result in victory, especially when you're playing inferior teams.
And I'm willing to call the New York Giants an
inferior team. If New York wins, they win. Uh, Sometimes

(50:32):
you lose to inferior teams. It's happened with the Bengals,
this year they lost to the Patriots, But this offense
is too good. I can run through the Joe Burrow
numbers a little bit later on again if you would like.
But when you're this well put together like they're. The
thing about what they're doing on offense is it's not fluky.

(50:55):
When you have a guy who buy most value is
one of the best three to four quarterbacks in the sport,
with proven offensive weapons.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
And an offensive line.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
That's gotten pretty good at pass protection, you're expected to
score a bunch of points. I mean, if I would
have said at the beginning of the year, the Bengals
are gonna have a three game stretch where they score
one hundred and five points, you would go, yeah, of
course they are. Now you might have thought, well, they'll
win all those games, or they will at least win
one or at least win two, and unfortunately they've.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Only won one.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
The thing about what they're doing on offense right now
is it doesn't feel it doesn't feel like it's.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
A fluke.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
It doesn't feel like it's an outlier. And so if
that continues, it's going to result in victories. It almost
mathematically has to, and so very easy for a lot
of us to look at nothing else but the win
loss record, or be unable to detach ourselves from the

(52:11):
most recent result. But I do think if you look
at things a little bit more objectively, with a little
bit less emotion, a little bit more logically, maybe use
some math. Again, I'm not here to tell you that
you should feel good at all about them. Defensively, they're
a disaster. But are they so much of a disaster

(52:34):
that you genuinely want to count them out at one
and four? Then that totally ignores what they're doing offensively,
and this team's offense is still this team's identity.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
I very I make guarantees, you know, but I very
rarely on this show like speak as comfortably about how
I feel a team is going to do as I
am with this with this one. And maybe I'm on
an island, and maybe I have a lot of people
who are nodding along.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
The feedback I've gotten so far would suggest that I'm
not on an island. I am not asking for this
team to go eleven and six, although that would be awesome,
and I'm asking for this team to win at least
at the very least three. If it's next four with
this offense, I'm not banking on that not happening. Jaymorrison
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On Thursdays, we chat with our friend Jay Morrison from
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because it's it's Jay's birthday. Are you doing anything fun
for your birthday besides talking to me?

Speaker 7 (53:59):
No, this is the highlight of my day right here.
I'll do some fun things tomorrow, but today it's just working.
Talking to you. Wow, very good, which is great.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
The grind doesn't stop even on your birthday. I can
appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Good stuff. Did Jamar Chase to just talk? Were you
there for that? Did he say anything interesting?

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (54:16):
He was.

Speaker 7 (54:17):
It was different. He was at the podium for the
first time ever. It's kind of the whole new locker
room policy. They're just trying to put the stars at
the podium, so that I mean, poor Charlie Jones is
a locker right next to Jamar and Tomorrow likes the
whole court and sometimes for twenty minutes on Thursdays, Charlie
can't even get to his locker. It started off a

(54:38):
little a little buttoned up, just talking football stuff, and
then Jamar started loosing up, really got really got comfortable
and talking about his I guess body maintenance, how he
doesn't really worry about what he eats. He just eats
whatever he wants to eat, which I guess a lot
of guys in their twenties zero. Yeah, and playing Madden

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and just a lot of more fun things, which is
which is one of the highlights of talking to Jamar.
His personality is just it just shines through and he's
not a stuffy, coach cliche kind of guy. I'm a
little worried he might that might have happened it the podium,
but he felt very comfortable up there.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
I by the way, I am also someone who doesn't
really care that much about what he puts on his body.
And I'm not even close to my twenty so Jamar
and I kind of kind of have that in common.
What can you tell me from an injury perspective today
that we need to know.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
Well to tell you the truth, I have not got
the injury report yet, so but but Zach Moss was
back at practice today, so that's that's a good sign.
Sheldon Rankins went again. Uh, things are trending toward him playing,
which will which will be huge. This will be the
first time they've they've really had the defensive line rotation
they envisioned when the season started. You know, Miles Murphy

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missed the first four weeks and Beja Hill was out
for a while. He's back now. Joseph Osie dealing with
a shoulder injury, so he's that's still touch and go,
but he's kind of far back in the rotation anyhow.
But getting Sheldon Rankings back would be a huge step
and kind of getting this defense turned around. Looks like
Mike Hilton's going to be good to go to after
missing them last week with a knee injury.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
So last week, amid you know all the talk of
them not getting to the quarterback, they decided to blitz
Lamar Jackson forty one times with Sheldon Rankins back, a
guy that they signed to provide pass rush up the middle,
and the blitz last week not really working. Do they
eighty six the blitz?

Speaker 7 (56:34):
I don't think so, because the Lamar is just who
he is. The Blitz didn't. It wasn't because the Blitz
didn't get there. It's because Lamar got away from it.
Daniel Jones isn't a sitting duck back there, but he
doesn't move like Lamar, and I just think that it's something.
I don't think we're going to see him blift the
way they did with Lamar. But I was looking at
the blitz rates and the Bengals the last three years

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have been down near the bottom of the league and
the low twenty percent time they were up in the
mid thirties in twenty twenty and twenty nineteen when things
were going bad, and things are going bad now and
they're they're at thirty percent right now, So I could
see Lou's still kind of leaning into it. Maybe wait
and see when you get Rankings back, if they can
get pressure with four. But I don't think last week
goes on off. I do think we're going to see

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the defense blitz a little bit more so.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Early in the season, Jordan Battle was buried and a
lot of us wondered, well, why don't they put him
out there? And Lou talked about it last week, and
then they put him out there and it didn't go well.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Does that mean he's buried again?

Speaker 7 (57:33):
Yeah, a good question. I mean, I don't think it's
he's going to be buried again, but I think it's
going to slow down any kind of progress towards him
eating more into Von bell snaps. It just seems, you know,
he's younger, he's faster, and vond clearly has lost his
step and he means so much back there as far

(57:54):
as the traffic cop and getting everybody on the same page.
But you do want to see Jordan Battle out there,
and it was limited. It was only a handful of
snaps that he played. So I don't know that that's
going to cause him to go back on the bench altogether,
but I do think it's going to stunt his ascension
into even more and more start more and more snap.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Jay Morrison is with US Bengals Talk dot Com on
x by Jay Morrison sent him a happy birthday tweet.
Von Bell coming back. You know, look, we I think
we would acknowledge when he came back he may have
lost a step, but it's worth it because of what
he brings to the table, communication wise, leadership wise, all
that Geno Stone was a guy they brought here and

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we thought, you know, he's still ascending, and since he's
arrived in Cincinnati, we haven't seen any continuation of that ascension.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Is are there explanations as to why?

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Well?

Speaker 7 (58:49):
I think the biggest thing is he's he's the ball hawk.
He sits back their play center field, makes teams pay
for the mistakes and a lot of a lot of
the turnovers he created Inaltimore came when when they were
playing from with the lead and teams were forced to pass,
and and that just hasn't happened this year. The Bengals
have been playing from behind or just going back and forth, touchdown, touchdown,

(59:12):
touchdo touchdown, like the Washington game, like the Baltimore game.
I think if they can get a lead, and they
did have one in Carolina, so I guess that that
that theories made the test a little bit here. But
I do think that just getting him settled in and
it hasn't been good. I think they all they all
realize that. But again, it's five games. I don't think

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anybody's ready to write him off yet, but they have
not come close to getting what they thought they were
getting from him.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
And I think of him chasing down Derek Henry on
that drive, that on that play that set up the
field goal, and maybe one play he made against Washington
and they're just haven't been all that many. Well, whatever
you do for your birthday, have a great time, enjoy
the game on Sunday, and we'll talk next week. Thank
you as always, all right, thanks mooe. That's our guy,
Jay Morrison, Bengals Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
I got a text here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
My brother lives in New York. Doesn't live in the city.
He lives maybe forty five minutes outside the city. He
lives in New York, and he is a a very
very very very casual sports fan, but he identifies as
a Bengals fan. He follows them very casually. He texted

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me a short while ago that he has a ticket
to the game on Sunday, and he sent me a
picture of the jersey he ordered to wear to the game.
I don't know, man, I get the sense Giants fans

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are a little bit more bougie than Jets fans are.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Primetime game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
The thing is, if you have ever been to that stadium,
they play a nut nearby, you tailgate or you bust
from somewhere and nowhere to go. So I've provided a warning,
like and I'm I have historically been on I've never
seen I saw the Bengals play the Giants in New
Jersey when I was in college. I actually saw Danny
Kanal beat the Bengals nineteen ninety seven. And now I'm like,

(01:01:18):
my brother's thirteen years younger than me. I'm like sending
him text like a concerned parent that I just please,
please don't get stabbed or beaten up. Got a jamar
Chase Jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I don't know that he I say this to his face.
I don't know that he really does. And he listens.
I mean he does listen, but oh my man, I
don't know. I don't know. I've not been to a
primetime game in New Jersey. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
I don't know that I would do that in Cleveland.
I went to a game in Cleveland last year and
I we were with folks. I wore a We're a
Bengals T shirt. Nobody gave me a hard time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
I don't know. We'll see. I don't know why that
came up. Four thirty Sports Headlines.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
All right, So Bengals injury report.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Like thirty seconds after Jay Morrison hung up with us,
he tweeted out the injury report. And there's always that
surprise Thursday injury this week it belongs to a Chase Brown.
Chase was not on yesterday's report. He is on today's report.
The official designation is limited. He is dealing with a
quad issue. Another day of full go for Mike Hilton

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another day, a full go for dj Ivy, a limited
day for Sheldon Rankins, Zach Moss on the report he
did not go yesterday, he was limited today. Same for
Joseph Osai, Marius Mims a full go today and Chris
Jenkins a full go today. But the headline there is
Chase Brown on the report. He was not on it yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Bengals Giants Sunday Night.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Live on ESPN fifteen thirty pregame covered starts at four
o'clock and if you're looking for a place to watch
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Monday Night Football last year. So dot make it happen.
Get there, get to Dickmans. Pizza at Dickmans. We could

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do punts for pizza at Dickmans if you want giveaway
free pizzas that the Bengals force four punts.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
I'm not saying they will do that, but maybe I
can convince them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Former Bengal cj Uzama is back in the NFL with
the Philadelphia Eagles on their practice squad. Perhaps he'll be
elevated when Philly comes here in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Thursday Night football is in af AFC and NFC West battle.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Between two teams that each lost last week, San Francisco
at Seattle Games on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. No change
as to the status of UC and UCF on Saturday.
I can tell you the Bearcats are still scheduled to
leave right around one thirty tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
That has not changed. It's still May.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
But as of right now four to thirty eight, the
game has not been postponed, moved, canceled, or anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
College basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
You see in the Big twelve media the bear Cats
picked to finish sixth, which I said to chat about
an hour ago, seems about right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
I would have guessed anywhere in the six to eight range.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
By the way, not that I often plug other podcasts,
but the college basketball podcast one Shining podcast. This week
they did a with they had on the great college
basketball writer Emon Brennan, and this particular episode they've bounced
around and done every conference, or they're in the middle

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of doing every conference. They did a whole episode on
the Big Twelve, and I thought the encapsulation, if I
was smart I'd grab some of the audio, but just
go find it. The encapsulation of UC basketball over the
last couple of years and the expectations for this year
I thought were pretty well clocked by Tate Frasier and
Emon Brennan, So go find that podcast. I listened to

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that this morning. Kansas Houston, Iowa State picked one through three,
Bearcats picked sixth.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
The baseball playoffs continue.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Tigers tonight, Detroit trying to close out the series, which
would mean another year without Cleveland winning a World Series
hasn't happened since nineteen forty eight and Yankees Royals Game
four tonight, New York on the strength of Ajion Carlos
John Carlos Stanton seems like an easy guy to root
for a home run of the eighth inning last night

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Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
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Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
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six fantasy football advice, and God knows I need it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Hi, Dan, No, I mean I'm dying. And now are
we five?

Speaker 14 (01:09:02):
And now are we still undefeated? With one of these teams.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
No, I took my first loss last week. I'm still
in first place, but I'm I now four in my
But here's the thing. I could handle a loss in
that league, right, four and one is fine. I'm in
good shape. I needed to win in my other league.
I was one and three going in the last week
and I got torched. So I'm now one in four.

(01:09:26):
I'm teetering on the brink. I'm like the Bengals. I
need some help.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
Oh I gosh, Well, let's hope we can help you.
The Bengals got a better shot than one and.

Speaker 14 (01:09:34):
Four fantasy team, so I think maybe. But let's dive
into it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:39):
Brother, all right, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Let's start where I took a beating last week, and
that's at the running back position.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Give me some running back trends.

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
Yeah, I have as fume things to highlight here, and
we'll talk about starting with DeAndre Smith.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
And I'll be the first admit.

Speaker 6 (01:09:52):
I don't have him on any teams because I wasn't
that high on the guy. But one thing has come
for sure. The last two weeks, twenty four point eight
the r points per game after just five oh, excuse me,
six point five PPR points the first three weeks of
the season.

Speaker 14 (01:10:07):
And what's real interesting about this mo is his touches.

Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
His running backs year.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
It's all the numbers there are pretty similar over the
span of time. He's just being more effective. I think
it's the Bears are just getting good, dude. They're figuring
out their identity.

Speaker 7 (01:10:18):
I like Swift as an R and B two.

Speaker 14 (01:10:20):
If you have him, but enter at your own risk.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
Another guy that's an RB two guy is Remandre Stevenson
up the Patriots, and I was a little worried last
week there was a lot of buzz Antonio Gibson threw
the start because of Stevenson's fumbling issues, and Stevenson did
end up paying off for fantasy managers the using last
week Big Day nineteen point two fantasy points. But a
deeper dive here. You look at the snaps, you look

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at the running of the routes, and all the true metrics.
It was truly a fifty to fifty split. So I
don't know if we can expect Stevenson to be the
best back out of that backfield every week, but certainly
liking him here. And then finally for Goo Dabdle, I
talked him out as a sleeper last week, and his
role is growing up from sixty percent seventy one point

(01:11:04):
four percent running back share. He also hit a season
high fifty percent snap raid. He is indeed the running
back in Dallas, and now that we know that he
does have some fantasy value, all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Right, let's take a look at some of these significant
Week six injuries.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Starting in Houston.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
Yeah, buzzkild city if you got Nico Collins placed on
injured reserve.

Speaker 14 (01:11:25):
But the hamstring issue.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
Out at least four games now. And I'm expecting this
based off of some people that you know, I've seen
that are more knowledgeable than me of the situation they're
protecting six weeks here. So this is a big blow
for a guy that was some fantasy's top receiver over
the first month. A. J. Brown DeVante Smith's good news
there for the Eagles. Both those guys trending in the
right direction coming out of that bye week. Brown himself

(01:11:48):
has missed two games. He'll probably be back, as will
Smith in Sunday's matchup versus Brown's my last neighbor's not
looking as good though with the concussion.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Yeah, that might be.

Speaker 6 (01:11:57):
Good for the Bengals fans, but not fantasy managers, and
they're coming out of a ten day week here where
they played on Thursday Night football.

Speaker 7 (01:12:04):
He barely has you know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:06):
Cleared any of the protocol, didn't do much today. I'm
not thinking he's playing. We'll see and track it as
we go through the weekend. At running back, it's Aaron
Jones with the hip issue. Not gonna matter this week.
The Vikings are on a buy, but Ty Chandler could
have some value coming out there. If he's available in
your league, might want to scoop him up. Jonathan Taylor
could be dicey with an ankle. Trey Sermon did return
to practice today, would be the guy out of Indy

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Devon Chan, but the concussion needs a clear protocol. We
did see Joe Mixon back of practice day with an ankle,
so that's good. Looks like Anthony Richards trending towards playing
with his oblique injury. But Derek Carr for the Saints
as their hotspire, can a miss at least a couple of.

Speaker 14 (01:12:39):
Games within the bleak injury of his own.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
Spencer Rattler taking over a quarterback, and you know, if
I'm sitting on Chris o Lave or Rashid Shaheed.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
You know it is risky rolling those guys.

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
In the lineup but not knowing what the rookie might
be capable of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Mo Yeah, no, no question.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
All right, let's roll through Dan Glaskins, get Sportsinfo dot
Com or Weekly Duds, Duds and Sleepers. Yeah, I mean,
you know what.

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
The Bengal Super Bowl prediction might not be looking good,
but my Burrow bounced back the prop beds.

Speaker 14 (01:13:09):
I made the pilgrimage I was on on my serious
XM show.

Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
Burrow is looking pretty awesome. We've all seen the metrics
amongst the league leader in all key categories. I love
him against the Giants this week. I got him a
number three of my QB rankings. And as bad as
that defense is for real life football, it's helping fuel.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
The fantasy numbers.

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
So you're rowing him, You're rowing Tea, you're rowing Jamar
for sure. That passing game is looking good. You know
else is looking good. My other stud is Drake London
finally looking like himself. Man Kirk Cousins starting coming in.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
His own there in Atlanta.

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
We saw it last Thursday night in a big way
as he went off for five hundred plus yards.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
I love London to have a hundred plus yards and.

Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
A score as they hit the road to Carolina in
this individual match up. There on the dud side, Travise
t the workloads, scan trapped averc Tank Pigsby coming that too.
He's dealing with the minor rib issue. Jacksonville in playing
in London this week. He had twenty six in my rank,
so he's gonna sit in some places. And Mark Andrew's

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another dune. The Ravens busted out a third tight end
last week for the Bengals, so just another mix in there.
Andrews a guy that was a fourth fifth round pick
in some leagues. He's not even startable in the shower leagues.
He might consider him been dropping him. And we'll leave
you with a couple of sleepers for this week. I'm
gonna go to the well Mo pick a running back
first the Bengals. Now, if Devin single Parry's rolled out,

(01:14:26):
Tyron Tracy Junior is for sure in some fantasy lineups
at there his big day in Seattle last week. But
even if Singletary's active in this bye week that we're
in with all these injuries, I think Tracy has enough
upside to be a flex play and Jalen Tolbert. Last
week it was Jordan Winnington, that wide receiver.

Speaker 7 (01:14:42):
Three four.

Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
I told you desper Manager is a pick up. He
paid off until he got hurt Tobert, He's gonna pay
off two.

Speaker 14 (01:14:48):
He's got about only.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
Ceedee Lamb has a more target shareman Brandon Cooks on IR.
Jalen Tolbert suddenly a top forty ish receiver every week.

Speaker 14 (01:14:56):
I like him in this matchups.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
I think the Cowboys will be playing catch up the Lion.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Yeah, Jalen Tolbert.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
At the end of that game on Sunday night slash
Monday morning, I thought was like dying of a heart attack.
And now we're going to add them to our fantasy team.
So it's amazing. It's amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
Selfishly, I wish he dropped that touchdown because I needed
to Steelers on the money line on.

Speaker 8 (01:15:16):
The back of a couple of different parlays.

Speaker 7 (01:15:18):
But so, uh, you know, we won't talk about that.

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Speaker 7 (01:15:51):
All right, good luck, mo.

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
I hope you can pick up that much needed dub
and more importantly, let's hope the Bengals do as well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yes, I don't know if that's more important, but equally important.
We'll go with go with that, all right, David lill
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to that. There's something I'm not hearing anymore about Zach Taylor.
Zach Taylor has gotten some criticism, and I I think
mostly deserved.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Like they're not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Fire Zach Taylor because they're one and four. They're not
gonna fire Zach Taylor because he handled the overtime offensive
possession the Bengals had the way he did last Sunday
against Baltimore. Those things aren't going to happen. But he's
gotten some fair criticism. I thought he coached scared.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
I didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Your news of the day. And I'm not an alarmist.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I'm not gonna sound any alarm I'm not going to
tell you to read into this any more than you
should just take it at face value. Chase Brown showed
up on the injury report today with a quad issue.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
He was limited in his capacity.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I haven't seen any reporting that would suggest that he
is being ruled out for Sunday's game or that he's
totally fine, but it's going to be worth paying attention to.
Zach Moss was back today. Chase Brown has obviously been
awesome to watch. He's been such an important component in
this offense. Ends you know, look, he may be totally fine,
and he plays on Sunday and he has a big game.

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It is one of the frustrating things about the one
and four start. There are so many of them, but
one of the frustrating things about the one and four
start is that the Bengals have put on the field
a really not just productive and efficient offense, a really
healthy offense. And if you're an NF team enjoying good

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health like there's a short shelf life. I mean, it's
just injuries are a built in part of the sport.
Injuries in football are almost never a good excuse. I
said almost You gotta take advantage of health. Twenty fifteen
man Bengals started eight no. Why did they start eight

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to No? They were the healthiest team in the league
for the first half of the season. There were weeks
that season where in this I guess in the studio
we used to do the show from I would look
at the injury report and read exactly zero names. You
got to take advantage of it, and the Bengals have not.
So both of their one and one A running backs

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are dealing with injuries. Chase Brown full go yesterday, popped
up as limited today. Yesterday he was a no go
Zach Moss and a limited participant today. So keep that
on your radar if you're wondering, if you're a UC fan,
if you're wondering about Saturday, Cincinnati is set to go
on the road leave tomorrow to play in Orlando against UCF.

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If a decision has been made, it hasn't been announced.
I would imagine that if the game isn't moved, either
time or locale or date. If the game is not moved,
they're still going to announce something that the game is
not being moved. But as of right now, I do

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I do have an acquaintance in the UCF Athletic department,
and we've texted a few times today. Know some folks
that you see that I've been going back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
And forth with, and they have not been told that
the game is being moved.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
I did see a report from Orlando that the ESPN
broadcast crew is planning on proceeding as planned, which means
traveling to Orlando tomorrow, and I could tell you for
a fact that UC's planned to leave right around one
thirty tomorrow. Those plans are still in place, but we'll
see what happens between now and the end of the
day or now and tomorrow morning. But as of right now,

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that game on Saturday is still set to kick off
at three point thirty at the Bounce House.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
On top of all that, the Bengals defense had a
player's only meeting. I think there is a natural impulse
that a lot of sports fans have, maybe a lot
of people covering sports have to make fun of the
players only meeting. Some view it as a sign of desperation.

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Let me tell you something, man, the Bengals should feel desperation.
They're one in five, they're running out of time. They
cannot go one, or they're one and four.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
They cannot go one in five. They cannot go one
in six, So there should be some desperation shows urgency.
Some always look at those as a sign that the
acts is about to be swung. I don't think Zach
Taylor's in jeopardy of losing his job at any point

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during the season. I get a guess he's not in
jeopardy of losing his job after the season if things
don't go the way we all hope the player's only meeting.
I think the bigger deal to me would be if
there was no player's only meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
This defense has.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Been atrocious, so it would be troubling to me, excuse
me as a fan, if we found out that amid
the one and four start, amid the defense being the
primary reason for the one and four start, that the

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players just decided to proceed as normal. That would be
worth laughing at. That would be worth questioning. I've seen
some on social media mock this. I've never been in
a player's only meeting because I'm not a professional football player,
but I've been in meetings before.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
I've been in employee only meetings before.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
I've not been in a ton of meetings in my
life because I got into radio, because there, frankly, are
very few meetings. Meetings are awful. Two things I love
most about this job. Very few meetings, and I don't
have to wear wrinkle free pants and a tie. But
I've been in I've been in meetings where the boss
has been there, and I've been in meetings where, you

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know what, maybe maybe it's a meeting at a bar,
maybe it's at a meeting offside a gathering, or perhaps
it's everybody huddling together and the people who are in
charge aren't invited or in some cases not aware. The
most productive sessions I've ever been a part of are
usually the ones where there's no supervisor.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Bosses might not like to hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
For the most part, in the twenty seven years i've
worked here, have had good bosses, But the most productive,
most creative, most free flowing sessions that I've ever been
in where there's something being discussed, have have have come.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
When it's just peers talking with each other, sometimes you'll find.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
People who are a little bit more willing to express
how they really feel, or to confront a teammate or
you know, somebody that's appear then they would be if
the boss was in the room. I kind of read
that last night Kelsey Conway wrote about it from the Inquiry.
My first thought was, well, of course they having a

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player's only meeting, Like if they didn't, I would take
that as a sign that like the guys are giving
up on the season, that they don't care. I think
the opposite is true, And so they're trying something here
and is one meeting and the results of those meeting
are Is that going to translate into a defense that
is suddenly the best in the NFL or anywhere close?

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Of course not.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
This defense is not constructed very well, and they have
a lot of guys who just either aren't playing well
or have very little track records playing well. But I
can't blame the guys at all for trying to come
up with something. And these guys meet all the time
with coaches round. They meet as a position group, they
meet as a unit, they meet as a team. What's

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the harm in getting together with everybody else? And just
maybe it's maybe it's just a free flowing exchange of ideas.
Maybe it's getting different perspectives. Maybe they're airing out personal
grides with each other. Maybe they're trying to fix communication.
Maybe they're trying to get together to come to the
coaching staff with a consensus of ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Whatever it is. In my experience not playing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Football, the best and most creative sessions where ideas are
exchanged are the ones where the boss isn't there. So
I took that as a good thing yesterday. Not desperate
at all, or desperate, but not not pathetic to somebody
send of you a tweet like this is pathetic, like
the players getting together to talk about how to fix

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stuff as pathetic.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
No it's not. It's good. Pathetic would be they don't
get together. So there you go.

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Robert Wintraub right say weekly.

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Bengals column for Cincinnati Magazine, and he joins us on Thursdays.
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Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
And we're on time today. Actually we're a minute early.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Wow, Robert Winchobs here, I'd see a weekly Bengals column
for Cincinnati Magazine. You could read it at Cincinnati Magazine
dot com, where you can just go to my x
feed and click on the link on X.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Rob is at Rob Wine and he's with us. Now,
what's going on?

Speaker 13 (01:28:47):
So does that mean I get to talk at length
because we're a minute early?

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
Sure, Football Inninnati.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Really you could.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
You could take the next forty one minutes and just
use it as your own platform talk about whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Filibuster away and I'll.

Speaker 13 (01:29:00):
I'll head home, a highly, highly dangerous proposition, but I'll
do my best, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
So before the season, I gave you a hard time
because you know everybody's producing the Bengals. We're gonna go
like fifteen and two, and then you wrote the columns
sounding the alarm. Here are the things to be cautious
about and now everybody thinks, you know that this might
be among the worst five football teams ever.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
They're never gonna win another game. Fire everybody. And now
now you're taking the opposite approach, the contrarian.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Suddenly, your mister, everything is going to be okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
The thing is, I kind of agree because I just
simply don't think it's worth betting against this offense the
way it's playing right now.

Speaker 13 (01:29:40):
Right well, first of all, you know me, I like
to sway like bamboo mo so, I go back and
forth with the breeze.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
But I'm also a few different people. I'm the remote control.

Speaker 13 (01:29:49):
Slinging expletive hurling guy on Sundays, but you know, Monday
through Saturday, I'm sedate and clinical, and I put my
analytics head on.

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
And they looked at the.

Speaker 13 (01:29:58):
Fact that, yeah, the Bengal at the number two offense
by efficiency Rankings.

Speaker 5 (01:30:02):
DBOA as we always talk about in the league.

Speaker 13 (01:30:05):
And you know, I always look to point differential two
as a nice easy stat to look at to determine
your relative merit of your team, and the Bengals are
minus five, which at one in four basically means their
average game this year, they've lost by one point and
that just means your margins are so you know, it's
almost hard.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
To do in that scenario to be one and four
with that kind of point differential, and you know it
regresses to the mean.

Speaker 13 (01:30:32):
As we say in the analytics world, those things don't
stay at the extremes.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
You can look at the Texans who are four and one.

Speaker 13 (01:30:40):
They have a worse point differential than the Bengals. That
means they've found ways to win these close games, and
the Bengals have found it, you know, excruciating, yes, but
unlikely to continue ways of losing a couple of these games.
Fourth and fifteen penalty in a bad hole last Sunday, and.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
You know you can go on and on.

Speaker 13 (01:30:57):
So I look at the team, as you mentioned offensive,
they're doing pretty much what they want right now. They're
doing everything that we'd asked for as a fan base
to multiply their attack and be highly diversified, move the
ball and the passing game in different ways, run the
ball effect that we the offensive lines look good. So
you can't tell me that that's going to all of

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a sudden go away. And you know they've played the
best offenses in the league other than them so far
the first third and fifth best so far through five games.
Their defensive efficiency, because we adjust for opponent, is actually
twenty second in the.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
League, which is not great, but not nearly as bad
as you might think.

Speaker 13 (01:31:39):
So once they start playing some worse offenses, I think
the defense will look a little better. And you know,
as long as the offense stays hume and you're always
going to bet on this Burrow and Chase, etc. To
find ways to win some games and get out of
this hole.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
How much is feeling reasonably optimistic based on the schedule
during the coming weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
The part of it, for sure.

Speaker 13 (01:32:01):
The next month you get to with the Giants, the Browns,
the Eagles, and the Raiders, four teams that have much
worse dvoas than Cincinnati. They have much worse point differential,
and I think you'd say maybe with the exception of
Jalen Hurts, much worse quarterback play.

Speaker 5 (01:32:15):
Oh, Daniel Jones all of a sudden looking like an
All Pro.

Speaker 13 (01:32:18):
But you know, we don't think that's gonna last necessarily,
although he might dice up the Bengals that's a different story.
But you know, it looks good But on the other hand,
you know, we thought that coming into the season, and
we thought the Patriots were a walk over, and so
it was Washington and they didn't exactly look all that
convincing against Carolina either. So no game at this point

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when you're one and four is a gimme. You can't
look at it and say, oh, this is a they're
gonna go three and four this month or whatever. I
think it's definitely on the table.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
But they got to play it.

Speaker 13 (01:32:50):
We got to beat this team in front of us
and get a win and feel good about ourselves finally,
and do it in semi convincing fashion before you start
looking ahead to the to the other teams that you're
gonna play. But you know, it's very possible that with
the exception of the rematch against Baltimore, they've played the
hardest teams they're gonna play for the entirety of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
And that's good.

Speaker 13 (01:33:11):
On the other hand, the Giants looked very impressive this
past Sunday against the Seahawks. You know, manhandled them pretty
good on the road. The Browns we always have trouble against,
no matter what the two relative situations that the teams are.
The Eagles have a heck of a roster of nothing else,
and you know their offense is potent, so they're gonna
be tough raiders.

Speaker 5 (01:33:30):
Maybe we can assume a victory, but you know, maybe
too late by then. So I don't know if.

Speaker 13 (01:33:36):
You know it's directly tied to the schedule, but it
doesn't help to be playing these guys rather than say
the Chiefs or the Ravens when you're already in a hole.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Robert wine Trab's weekly Bengals column is available at Cincinnati
Magazine dot com. The Lunarumo experience has been interesting because
when he was hired, he was hired really late in
the process, really not their first choice, hadn't been a coordinator,
not much was known about him. He takes over a
defense that first year that was atrocious. They slowly get better,

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they throw a lot of money into the defense. Twenty
one and twenty two they're good, and they're really good
when they needed to be in the postseason against good teams,
and then things fall apart and now everybody wants a
new defensive coordinator. I got people in my timeline that
think Robert solid should be on the Bengal sideline running
the defense by Sunday, So like.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Did we over rate Lou? Did we? Are we giving
him too much blame? Like he's been here for a
long time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
There's been been some highs and there's been some times
where it felt like he was one of the darlings
of the league and should be a head coach. And
now many would say it's it's only a matter of
time before he's shown the door.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Is Lou and Rumo good or did we overrate him?

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
Well?

Speaker 13 (01:34:55):
First of all, I think you just described pretty much
every defensive coordinator has ever come through the I mean
that's kind of the nature of the league. First of all,
defense is much more volatile than offense, which is why
you'd rather have a good offense than a good defense
if you had the choice.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
There's no question that.

Speaker 13 (01:35:11):
Lou's riding off that sort of twenty five game heater
that he had, which encompassed the twenty one playoffs through
the you know, the twenty two playoffs, and you know,
the defense, as you mentioned, was transitional before that. They
got rid of all the Marvin Lewis era guys that
they wanted to and they got the guys up to
speed when they brought a bunch of new people in

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and that was when they were at their most elite.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
But you know, these things changed.

Speaker 13 (01:35:34):
No personnel remains the same in this league for the
most part, and now they're in a transition phase. We've
talked about it a lot. They drafted a whole bunch
of guys with high draft picks make this defense younger, faster,
and cheaper, and right now all they are is cheaper
and younger. They haven't looked up. Specially, they're not playing
fast and they're not playing well. Some of that, a

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lot of it maybe is due to injury. A lot
of it maybe do the fact that they keep Jesse Bates.
But you know, one thing I will say about the
Jesse Bates thing. Everybody's like, now, all of a sudden, hey,
we should have kept this guy. And sure he was
a great player, but you know, if you don't, if
you keep Jesse Bates at that point after the twenty
two season, you probably don't have Orlando Brown on the team.

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And what do we always talk about is that how
we the most important thing is protecting Burrow and getting.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
That offensive line up to up to the best it
can possibly be. And you know you're seeing it right now.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
That's where they are.

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
But you know, you can't have it both ways all
the time in this league, so they made a choice.

Speaker 13 (01:36:32):
It's easier to replace a safety at ninety percent of
what you had than it is to find a semi
elite left tackle, and you know, you got to live
with your choices. I don't think this defense it's basically
bottomed out if you, you know, are looking at it
in that perspective, like they can't really play any worse,
you know, so the guys they have have to turn
it around, and you know they're capable of it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:55):
We've seen a lot of these guys play well.

Speaker 13 (01:36:58):
I think you saw Sam Hubbard get back to sort
of an identifiable Sam Hubbard after he's played hurt for
the last sort of twenty games. A lot of these
rookies are just and young players are just coming into
the lineup and getting their feet wet, and you know,
you can't expect them to be great, but you know,
you can definitely expect them to improve. And you know,
I like to think that's what we'll see kind of

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going forward, because it can't get much worse than it's
been over the last couple of weeks, especially.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Is there anything historically that we could use as as
a guide when we look at teams that have been
as efficient offensively in the bank as the Bengals but
have gotten off to slow starts to teams I mean,
are is there. There can't be a very long list
of teams that have been this good that have been
as bad as many male ledge they're going to wind up.

Speaker 7 (01:37:48):
Yeah, it doesn't happen.

Speaker 13 (01:37:50):
Basically, you know, there's not a lot of examples because
teams that are that good offensively don't have slow starts.
They win a lot of games in the regular season anyway.
Playoffs are different story. But you know, just look at
as I said, the Bengals are the number two team
right now in offense DVOA the last four years of
the Borough era you're talking about. Last year, number two

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was Miami they won eleven games, Buffalo the year before
one thirteen, the Packers the year before one thirteen, and
in twenty twenty it was the Chiefs they won fourteen
and won the Super Bowl. You know, teams that are
this good offensively are very rarely even in this spot
three games under five hundred. They win a lot of games,
and that's because you know what you want to be

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in this era of football is explosive, and the Bengals
have been and it's just you know, you can point
to the fact that, oh, the defense has been terrible,
or you could take an approach saying that they've just
shot themselves in the foot at the worst possible time
and it's a fluky.

Speaker 5 (01:38:46):
One in four record.

Speaker 13 (01:38:47):
Both can be true, but what remains mostly true is
that they you know, a team with that good an
offense is almost always going to be over five hundred
and you know, most of the time was gonna win
ten games or more. And the fact that the Bengals
have a lot of work to do to get to
that spot is unfortunate. But it's that's why I'm still
optimistic that it's more than possible that they can still

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even win ten games, because of the fact that when
you have that good an offense, it's just hard to
hard to keep down over the course of a long season.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Awesome stuff. I look forward already to talking next week.

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
Thank you very much, me to moo and hopefully off
win for God say it'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Nice, it'd be nice. I'm starting to forget what it's like,
all right there, You go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
There's our guy, Robert Winthrops Cincinnati Magazine dot Comgarrita's column.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Thanks Robert, no problem, thank you may right there you go.
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it up. All right, Bengals getting said to play the Giants.
Here's what you need to know from an injury perspective.

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Chase Brown showed up on the report today with a
quad issue limited. He practiced yesterday, so this is a
new thing worth paying attention to. Zach Moss did not
practice yesterday today he was limited, so also worth paying
attention to Mike Hilton back for a second consecutive day.
Limited go for Sheldon Rankins, limited as well for Joseph Osi.

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Bengals Giants Sunday eight twenty pregame coverage on ESPN fifteen
thirty starts at clock. Wide receiver Molik Neighbors remains in
the NFL's concussion protocol, so not a step in the
right direction for him as he tries to return to
the Giants on Sunday night. Former Bengals cj Uzama has

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been signed to the Eagles practice squad.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Bengals play Philly two weeks from Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Thursday Night Football Tonight, the NFL Weekend starts with a
game between the Seahawks and forty nine Ers. Game is
in Seattle. Seahawks have lost too straight, forty nine Ers
have had a hard time playing four quarters. You'll hear
the game live on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. By the way,
that game is being streamed tonight, it's on Amazon Prime
because that's who carries Thursday Night Football streaming service. NFL

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games on a streaming service. I did not get to
ask Chad about the UC game against Xavier being on
the Skyline Jelly.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Crosstown Shootout being on ESPN plus.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
No change as of right now for Saturday's UC UCF
game and the aftermath of Hurricane Milton. I did see
a student reporter from a UCF's student paper during one
of our breaks on social media was posting photos from
the UCF campus and it looks remarkably normal, So keep

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that in mind. But no official word on what's going
to happen to the game on Saturday right now. It
feels like there's a lot of optimism that the game
will be played on Saturday, but stay tuned. The Big
twelve preseason men's college basketball poll was released today. The
uc Bearcats have been picked to finish sixth Cincinnati behind Kansas, Houston,

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Iowa State, Baylor, Arizona in the league's poll.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
U tap picked to finish in last place.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
And tonight it's the American League Division Series Tigers in
Detroit because that's where they play, hosting Game four against
the Guardians. Detroit leads that series two one and the
Yankees up to one on the Royals game for tonight
in Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
There you are, you are caught up. And also there's
the game with the WNBA Finals tonight, yeah, which is
worth watching. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
By the way, they put a bunch of playoff games.
Did they put two conference finals games against the NFL
on Sunday?

Speaker 8 (01:43:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
And I hate that? Why did they do that? Like baseball,
you kind of can't avoid it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
You're putting conference finals games up against the NFL on
like a league that is having a moment right surge
of popularity, a league that prior to last year I
barely paid attention to. And I've watched games this year,
and you can't put those games up against the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
It has always been like that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
It's not just this year, right, I get, I understand that,
but the league like more people want to watch it.
So don't make people choose you are you are shooting
yourself in the foot if you're a sports league. If
you're making people choose between your product and the National
Football League, Baseball deals with this.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Baseball is celebrating. Baseball's had a good Offsea.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
I'm sorry, he has had a good preseason, and the
TV numbers, relatively speaking, are good. They're celebrating two million
people watching games. Bengals Chiefs got thirty million. Like you're
you're just you're setting yourself up to fail. Play those
games in any window that's not opposite a whole bunch
of NFL games. I mean, the college football Playoff is

(01:44:21):
gonna go up against the NFL, at least for this year.
It's gonna get destroyed, you know. I mean, just it
might be the novelty the college football Playoff. You make
people choose between anything in the NFL. They're gonna choose
the NFL. It just you might not like to hear
me say that. On Sunday Night, game one of the

(01:44:42):
National League Championship Series will start, right it's a New
York team, the Mets against San Diego or LA. So
it could be Los Angeles, it could be the two
biggest markets. It's gonna go up against Sunday night football.
By the way, also involving a New York team, Bengals
Giants will dwarf that baseball game. So if you're the

(01:45:05):
WNBA for years, you've been a niche sport, now your mainstream.
You've got some popularity, you've got some stars that everybody's
talking about. The product is awesome. Theyn't make people choose.
You make people choose between anything in the NFL. They're
gonna choose the NFL in this country. Game one is tonight,
that best of five tarn Yes, WNBA Finals are best

(01:45:27):
of five.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Yes, I'm learning, just like a whole lot of other people.
I guess when Game two is.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
Uh, Sunday yep, So they're gonna play Game two of
the w NBA Finals oos afternoon. The the NFL slate
the late window of and now like the Chiefs don't

(01:45:55):
play this week, they're a big draw. But the late slate,
the four o'clock game include the Steelers and Raiders opposite
each other, and the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
M I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
You're making and like you know, I understand people have
multiple devices, attentions more divided than but I did the
baseball put on playoff games opposite the NFL last Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
I think two of them dwarfed. Just I mean again,
I'm reflecting the way it works.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
You might not like it, and you may choose to
watch WNBA basketball, you may choose to watch baseball. I
don't think anybody that is listening to me is gonna
choose watch baseball ahead of Bengals on Sunday night. But
you put anything opposite the NFL, you lose, like the
NFL decided when Roger Goodell took over.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
Sunday night football started in the mid eighties. I want
to say it became a and every.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
Week thing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
In the late eighties early nineties regardless, So for years,
for years, the NFL would not play on the same
Sunday night as Game two of the World Series. The
World Series for decades started on a Saturday, It's why

(01:47:25):
it was weird. In nineteen ninety the World Series in
Cincinnati started on a Tuesday because there was a lockout.
They had to tack three games on at the end
of the year. And I remember as a kid going like, boy,
this is weird. So for years the NFL would not
put a game on Sunday night that was opposite Game
two of the World Series. Now they would put a

(01:47:47):
Sunday night game the following week, which would coincide with
Game seven of the World Series. But obviously Game seven
was if necessary, Game two was not. And then Roger
Goodell came in and is like, we're not giving up
ground owned to Major League Baseball. I remember in oh one,
so oh one. Obviously everything got thrown out of whack

(01:48:08):
in the sports calendar because of the nine to eleven attacks,
and baseball for the first time had World Series games
played in November because everything got pushed back, and uh,
the night of Game seven, I'm sorry, the night of
Game two, which was played in Arizona, my memory serves

(01:48:30):
me correct. The NFL had a game between the New
York Jets and the New Orleans Saints, which was the
game if you remember, Kyle Turley like threw a helmet
and people were making a big deal about how like
this is the first time the NFL is going up
against Game two of the World Series. Then Roger Goodell
a few years later took over, and right or wrong,

(01:48:50):
was like, Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and play a game.
We're we're we're gonna go ahead and play a game
on the Sunday night of Game two of the World Series.
Our ratings are gonna be fine. We're not giving that
territory up to baseball. The NFL is upset of the
people who run college football for staging the Playoff opposite
NFL games.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Like the NFL doesn't care. They now have a three
day draft.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
That they're talking about extending to four because they know
it will Dwarf, the NBA and NHL playoffs and whatever
baseball is doing that night. And so if you run
those leagues, you know those nights, you're taking an l
On Night one of the NFL Draft. This year, there
was an NBA playoff game between the New York Knicks

(01:49:37):
and the Philadelphia seventy six Ers, two big markets, a
great series destroyed by the NFL draft.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
So you have to know, like, we're gonna we're you know,
it's unavoidable.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
We're gonna put on our games opposite the NFL, opposite
what the NFL does. You're setting yourself up for failure.
It's one thing if it's a first round NBA playoff game,
it's something else if it's your league's fine like and
I know there are some people who will make the
choice to focus on the WNBA not the NFL, But

(01:50:08):
if you're trying to maximize your audience, if you're trying
to bring as many eyeballs as you can to your
signature event at the end of your greatest season, you're
putting game one or game two, is game two, game
two opposite the four o'clock window of NFL games.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
It ain't gonna work.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
I agree, And again I'm not saying that as a
to be critical of the WNBA. I know that's how
they've done it for years, but like maybe they couldn't
move it, but next year, just hey, look, we're not
going to put our finals opposite the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Baseball can't help it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
I mean, they have, you know, a long postseason, seven
game LCS, seven game World Series. It's it's almost unavoidable.
But and the WNBA, you know, play what play tomorrow night?
Friday's not a good TV night. Now they will be

(01:51:05):
boosted tonight because there are people who don't have Amazon
Prime who are just you know, gonna not gonna be
able to watch Seattle and San Francisco. And it's it's
a Western game, so maybe some fans in the eastern
part of the US don't care nearly as much.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
Sunday is going to be a different story. I think
that qualifies as our first.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
WNBA segment on this show, me telling them to schedule
their finals not opposite the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
I totally didn't get to what I was gonna do there,
but it's not that important.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
It's the orthosin c Emo Eggers Show on ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati sports station.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Nobody that I know.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Simple question.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
The theme of the week punts for pizza. We just
need a pizza store to get on board with us.
If the Bengals force four Giants punts on Sunday night,
will they win?

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
It's the magic number. Ninety one point four percent of
you say yes. I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
It's if to me if you put it in these terms.
If I'm gonna I've done this in my head, I'm
gonna confirm it. I think this is true. So the
average NFL team gets eleven possessions per game. Last year
the number was ten point eight. So let's round it
up to eleven possessions per game. If you force a

(01:52:39):
punt on four of those possessions, you will have forced
a punt thirty six point four percent of the time. Now,
the Bengals on third down against Baltimore were ten of fifteen.
I'm sorry I should put it this way. Baltimore was
ten to fifteen on third down against Cincinnati, so that's
allowing the other team to convert at a sixty seven

(01:52:59):
per clip. Bengals have the second worst defense on third
down in the NFL. If they hold the Giants or
anybody else to four punts, let's say that's four punts
in e eleven possessions on average, that would mean the
Bengals are getting off the field on third down thirty

(01:53:21):
six point four percent of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
That would put them fifteenth best in the NFL. The
standards not very high.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
They've got to be roughly maybe in some cases slightly
below league average.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
That's the number I'm tracking on Sunday. Four punts.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
What if the Giants punt four straight times to start
the game and then never punt again.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Mo, Maybe that's what you're asking right now.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
I'm taking my chances with Joe Burrow a couple of
things before we get out of here. I am off
tomorrow because Bengals pep Rally takes the place of me.
Tony and Austin have Friday Football Frenzy from noon to three.
The Tony and Mo Football Show on Monday will be
at Twin Peaks in Florence. We hope to see you
there regardless of Sunday's outcome. And we'll be watching the

(01:54:07):
game on Sunday at Tickman's and Fort Right, and so
we hope to see you there for that as well.
We're pretty much done. My thanks to Tarran Bland for
producing My thanks to you for listening. Since I'm not
here tomorrow, have a pleasant weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
Thanks traveles to Orlando.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
I'm assuming we're going tomorrow, so thank you very much.
We're done, have a great weekend. This is ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Is this the game?

Speaker 13 (01:54:52):
Joe with his third touchdown?

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Zach Taylor's men finally achieve a second winn. Bengal listening
as Joe Burrow and his Bengals table New York's Hexangos
habit will beat Orange and Black? When's their thirst for
trial from the chalus of victory? Find out when you
get the call from Dan Hood and Dave Black What

(01:55:17):
a Try? Coverage starts Sunday at four on ESPN fifteen thirty,
Official Home of the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
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