October 15, 2024 • 36 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss the Cincinnati Bengals after their win over the Giants.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Battle of Ohio. Fresh off their prime time
victory over the.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Giants, shot for the pop touchdown, Joe.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Burrow and his Bengals roaring to Cleveland to take down
the bront S Sachs. It's an AFC North Showdown, Touchdown.
The Orange and Black are ready to attend.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Damn Hobbard tackle the King.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Then Dan Hood and Dave Levin bring you the call.
Coverage starts Sunday morning at nine on ESPN fifteen thirty,
the official home of the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
All right, that's us, Good afternoon, I'm a Legard. This
is ESPN fifeteen thirty. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
We are as we are every.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Tuesday, broadcasting from Buffalo Wild Wings.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
This is the beat dogs of my lates.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
One, early thirties, Harper's Point, Harper Stations.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
This is the one that I watched countless.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Bengals road games at a lot of U see basketball
games at this is This is like, for a while
was my home away from home. So it's awesome to
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Speaker 5 (01:35):
You know what I enjoy, yeah, is that every time
we sit down at the different B dubs that we're at,
I get to hear some story about your drinking history,
yes you know, and find out about what what portion
of your life you have connected and what errors, maybe
a judgment you've made, losses you've taken at different places.
(01:57):
You could really write a book on just my life
in B dub's, So you know.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
It's it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So the folks at Buffalo Wild Wings agreed to let
us do our show at different locations during the football season.
So it's it's eighteen weeks. It's not that there's some
that were doubling up. But before the season started, I
jumped on a zoom call, well like the general manager
of all these different Buffalo Wild Wings.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Then I literally went around the zoom and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, yeah, Newport boy, That's that's where I went, and
like just with each one of them, except for the
poor guy in Middletown.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I haven't been to the one in Middletown. Yeah, but
I'll go there next week.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You go there next weekend. It's makes some new memories,
make some new memories. I have a lot of memories
at this one. I have a lot of memories here
at this is. This is where I watched Remember the
the Bengals Steelers game where like Troy Polamalo dominated Carson Palmer.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, that happened at this game at this Buffalo Wild Wings.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
What a magical day.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, it was the first time I was over at
this one.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Was that was that when he like didn't need that
when he jumped over jumped over the center or is
that the one where he had the d the pick
and then like rand dode over on the way.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
To that one?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah that one? Yeah, Yeah, that not a great one there.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, So that was the first I had better memories,
better sports memories than that.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But I've watched a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
At this buffalo. Well it's a it's a good one
to be at.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It's a good one to be at, very easy to
get to close to I two seventy five, and so
come on out when you get off work, hang out
with us here at beat ups.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
We have a lot to discuss.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
We always do, we do.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You know the thing about these twos, we have more
pleasant things to discussed this week.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
There are a few more positive developments. A Giants player
didn't pick up an easy recoverable fumbable and so so
everybody's feeling a lot better today than they would have
been if if it would have gone the other way.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Do you know what's interesting about that fumble? So I
was watching that game and Chase Brown fumbles and I
was with a coworker of mine who you know, And
as he lets go with the ball and it looks
like the Giants player is going to recover it, I
start jumping up and down in front, and they go
(04:01):
to commercial break, and I thought it was Giant's ball.
So I said out loud, they're going to lose. And
my buddy's like a bunch of other rules, like what
are you talking with balling out of bounce the ball
had had that fumble been lost, I have no doubt
in my mind the Bengals would have lost that football game.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It sure felt that.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I hate to say that, but I have no doubt
in my mind they would have lost that foot on.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
The momentum that would have come from it, and just
everything about it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Boy, that's I let you look back.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
At these first five weeks and we sort of almost
joked about how ridiculous the fact that they were one
and four was when you consider how well they played
on offense and all the other things, and some of
the crazy the losing plays at winning time we'd been
talking about that had been dogging them, and just the
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bounces didn't go their way.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
The bounce went their.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Way, but they still put the opportunity out there for
the other team, and that credit. That's still a losing
play at winning time, boy, And it's it's hard not
to get past that sometimes because just because the ball
didn't get bounced here did bounce your way this time,
doesn't mean that the mistake still isn't very real.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I mean, two fumbles from their running backs.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
That change that both one did change the direction of
the game, and the other one almost had a fatal direction.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Of that well, and I don't recall who asked it,
but Zach yesterday was asked about the fumbles and.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It's it was that you it is kind of it's
becoming a thing.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's becoming a thing.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I mean that last year was was freaky stuff. They'd
only only lost two fumbles in the next and the next.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Lowest was five.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Uh, and so they were gonna regress to the mean
a little bit just by the nature of fumble luck.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And can't count that one.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
But that said, I mean they have been high leverage
fumbles this year, right, I mean when you're driving to
basically put the game away. Was Zach Moss, what could
have happened the Tanner Hudson with the early celebration your
favorite play.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Of the year.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I mean, there's been so many of those where it's
just you just you just can't have it. You should
have seen Jamar Chase's reaction when I asked him what
was going I said, I just said, you know, did
you did you have a good view when you were
out there of the funnel?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Did you see it?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And he's kind of explains where he was, Oh, it
was kind of over on the other sides, but yeah,
I saw it.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I was like, what went through your mind? And he
gave this look like like I am.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Holding in what I really want to say and I'm
gonna think about what I'm supposed to say.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And then he you know, he's like, uh, get the
hell out of bounds.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
It's just like that was that was the that was
the like most PG thing he could come up with
from everything else that was in his head. But I'm
sure everybody's thinking like that because there's it's hard not
to have the scar tissue of dread from the first
five games. Yes, Like it's just hard not to right now.
And that's such a different feel that they have to change.
And I think maybe this game against the Giants, and
(07:05):
maybe it takes the other team blowing an opportunity to
pick up a fumble to get them to start playing
confidently and feeling like they're gonna make the play and.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Certainly not dreading that the thing is gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, that's that's the mark of good teams and who
they've been in the past, except this year it has
felt the opposite. So that's something they need to gather.
System and maybe that comes from what happened.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Against we did Baalds don't lie this morning.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I don't know if it's it is out yourself, Jay Morrison,
and you had me on there and you asked basically,
what was Did I.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Walk away from the game encouraged or discouraged?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And I think I'm maybe the most encouraged Bengals fan
there is because one of my energy and the immediate
aftermath of the game was the defense has to get better,
and if it is, it has to start somewhere. There's
the beginning. Now ask me in five weeks if they
ult upon it. Maybe the answer is no. But it
(08:03):
was gonna have to start somewhere. A better health. They're healthy.
I still wish they had that still we all do,
but relatively speaking, especially upfront, a lot of guys available, healthier,
and then just improvement of performance. Say what you want
about the New York Giants, we could dwell on who
they didn't have. It was gonna have to start somewhere.
So I viewed Sunday as the starting point. Who knows
(08:26):
where it ends, but I viewed that as a starting point,
and I gotta win with it too.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah, you know, last week I told you was that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I don't know if I'm the only.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Optimistic person coming off off that Ravens game, but I
felt like the defense had to get better because they
weren't gonna play the Ravens and they weren't going to
play the Commanders. And I mean they are playing the
Ravens can actually, but they weren't gonna play. But there
are very few games against some right side the teams.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
They need to make teams like the Giants look like that.
Mm hmm, like that.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
And if they do that, their defense will be fine
to get to the levels that it needs to be
for the offense and still carry it. Now they didn't
as much on Sunday night, I'm not as concerned about
that because that's what the Giants have done to everybody.
The Giants have not let up more than twenty one
offensive points to a single opponent all year.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So that's and that includes the command Well, I was.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Gonna say that the toast of the league still right now,
even after losing on Sundays, the Washington Commanders go, look
at what that Giants team did to that offense.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, they kept shutting them down in the red zone.
And because it's just it's just.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
The difference that a real defensive line at elite levels makes,
like the rest of it can be whatever. I mean,
Dexter Lawrence and Bryan purns Man are just a handful,
and the other guys are no slouches. Obviously that was shown.
I mean, Azizo Juli, I mean had a great game.
You saw that, and so I just you know, they
(09:57):
they are where it's at on.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
The defense and some line.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And the interesting thing about you know, because Bengals offense
had come in and the line was was, you know,
leading the league in the lowest pressure percentage, and ever
after every game Zach Taylor and Dan Pitcher were praising
the play of the line. They built these pass protectors
and they got beat up.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
But in the.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Rewatch and Zach Taylor sort of confirmed when I asked
about him yesterday, it looked more like weird clunky stuff
like communication and procedural stuff and like rules not getting.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Whipped one on one. They lost some which you would
expect you against those.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Guys, but it didn't They didn't look physically overwhelmed at all.
And I thought, well, that felt more encouraging on the
rewatch than it did live where it felt chaotic and
like they were just getting beat. They still obviously are
things to fix, but I'd rather have, you know, procedural
communication type stuff to clean up and get fixed rather
(11:05):
than having to worry about Oh look, Dexter Lawrence tossed
Ted Carrison too, Joe Burrow, which we've seen that for
not necessarily with Ted, but we've seen that with Bengals
offensive line. So I thought they handled it okay, and
we know what they are. I think we know what
they're gonna be. So I thought the offense was was okay.
They could have obviously been much better, and it was
(11:26):
and it wasn't great, but I certainly wouldn't come away
discouraged by it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I want to talk about the start of the game
when we come back, and I want to test your
your knowledge of Bengals trade history.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I got a pretty good knowledge Bengals trade history, I know,
which is why we're gonna test, all right, all right,
well to that when we come back.
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Start of the game, and there were a few, but
the start of the game on Sunday night was bj Hill.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, the revenge game.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Four years later, he goes back and plays great against
his former team. This has been a great trade for
a while. It was after one year almost immediately.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, even even like in the what they got something?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Lance mcay alistair on his website kind of revisited that trade,
which has it has worked so well?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Bengals trade history.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, where do you put.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
It, bj Hill has not been a star.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It's not like he's played in a bunch of Pro Bowls,
but been here for quite a while, made a huge
play in arguably the biggest victory in the history of
the franchise against the Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game.
Has been a steadying presence as they've made a transition
to some other guys on the defensive line, and Billy
Price was never going to play here, so they got
(14:31):
this player who has done so much in exchange for
somebody that wasn't going to make the team. In twenty
twenty one, there have been higher profile trades. There probably
have been better trades, not many.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Not many.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
They once got an actual pick for bene ben Wickery, Okay,
which that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
One blew my mind more than anything.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
A guy who was based on barely anybody and showed
up and had a.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Terrible camp, and then they they were gonna lee six
round pick. I don't even remember.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Maybe Chris Evans, I don't even know, I think, but
there's always times where it's like that one bloom, that
one blew my mind?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
How did they actually get something?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I above to believe the best trade ever is Carson
Palmer for two picks that turned into good players.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Good players.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
That that is up there. Reggie Nelson for David Jones, Yes,
is pretty clterrific as far as modern like modern history,
you know that type of stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Does.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I mean that's and by the way, we.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Could have had this conversation before Sunday, Yes, but Sunday
sort of triggers the conversation.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And it adds another chapter in plus what he's done.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Here and plus so much of Bjay's impact was in
that first year. And I mean people don't talk enough
about how much the depth of that defensive.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Line was a driver for that Super Bowl run.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
And the fact they were able to pair Larry Yoga
Jobi with BJ Hill was such a big part of
which takes you to the current conversation. And what was
the topic and I know from the players that I
talked to after the game specifically, was how much that
deep rotation helped them play better. Sam Hubbard now has
(16:18):
his story has been much discussed.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, this year, he has.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
This even specifically out loud yesterday, this grade three hamstring
that happened in camp.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Worked his way through it.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
He didn't want to talk about it because he want
to complain about it because so many of the defensive
linemen were down.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
He knew they needed him. He played through it. He
played poorly. He knew he played poorly.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Okay, all that's fine, But he admitted to me after
the game, like when we were out there, when we
were down people, it felt like every play was just
survival mode, like they just were they had nothing to give.
They were just trying to hold on and you're not
thinking about making plays, You're just thinking about trying.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
To get through it. And they looked like that.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
They looked like a team that was just trying to
get them play. They looked like a team playing with
a purpose against the Giants. Now, is that because of
the Giants? Maybe some You're Thomas a good player, you know,
and Trey Hendrickson was still doing they were still able
to get in there. That My point is though, that
that really eight guys is at.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Least twenty one snaps.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, And you could see the feeling of those waves
changing the dynamic of the game, giving them juice late
in the game, keep staying in Daniel Jones grill and
making a difference, making that extra effort. I mean, McKinley
Jackson was running all over the field and for a
big guy, you don't expect to see a ton of that,
and he's obviously not alone, but that, Yeah, remember their
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identity on defense that they openly declared they want themselves
to be for a long time, including this year, is
like is relentlessness and just constantly being the team of
high mode and just constantly going after a chasing side it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And you didn't see all the time of that.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
They were bemoaning not having enough hats to the ball
the previous week because it mistackles because they're just kind
of not really getting under the ground and not have
enough people around the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
They're supposed to be built on the exact opposite.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
They have scouted and drafted profiles of people that are
supposed to be the exact opposite. Well, part of that
is gonna be because you gotta have guys that feel
like they're out there getting after it. They looked more
like that against the Giants, and I think the health
of that group and the fact they were willing to go,
you know, credit Luis Rumo and I guess Marion hobby
with rotations of being like it's valuable for us to
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make sure all of these guys are playing not a little,
you know, all of them having more major roles to
keep everybody fresh. That you really saw that with Hubbard,
you saw that with Hill, you're just getting We've said
that about BJ for a while, like you need to
be getting more with less out of him. That's when
he's at his best. Don't ask any of these guys
really to be out there playing. They have been two
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nation in recent years, so I just felt like that
made a huge difference. And you got a lot of
that BJ Hill play too that you expect, and they
just you know, they look like a different team with
more guys like that.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That's the main takeaway of the game for me, that
that healthy defensive line can work. That that healthy defensive
line with the bodies that I saw, and the upside
of a player like McKinley Jackson and the upside of
a player like Chris Jenkins, where you've you've got some
dudes who have been there before, but you also have
some guys that they draft early, drafted early for a reason.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
And as the season goes on, you expect to see
more and more of that, and in a role like
in a role.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
That's not featured right, And that was the whole point,
is like, still have your veterans be your frontline guys
and let those other guys have their opportunities, but real opportunities,
not you know, throwing a bone for two snaps here
and there, but real, real roles in the game plan
and being out there in big moments.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And uh, and I thought it showed.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
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a week from Sunday has been flexed to a one
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Speaker 4 (21:00):
That is the White Bengal game, so keep that in mind.
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Was originally scheduled for four to twenty one o'clock a
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We'll be broadcasting at nine am.
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Instead of noon.
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League Championship Series continues tonight Game two in New York.
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So this is an ideal set of circumstances if you're
a Bengals fan, this game on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
The Browns are bad.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
The relationship between the fan base and the organization and
the quarterback could not be more toxic. They're running out there,
Deshaun Watson. They've just traded one of his targets. This
is a chance to completely extinguish whatever hopes they have
of reviving their season and make an already awful situation worse.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
This is great. I cannot wait for this on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Really, yeah, I thought there might be some dread.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I mean, look, dreading this.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
This is the This is the chance to test the
theory of well, the Browns just have Joe Burrow's number
in Cleveland, right, yeah, I guess, but this would be
this would be the opportunity to because you can't they
haven't tried it out. A worse team than this one right,
if the entire time, if they're ever going to exercise
any demons in Cleveland, this is the time. I mean
you you can't have a quarterback playing work like you can't, can't.
(23:01):
The numbers suggest there has not been.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
One, I mean, like a quarterback playing We ran through
this on our show yesterday, Tony and I Historically he's
historically bad.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yes, like he's also a terrible quarterback.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah, well done, well done. Yeah, And it feels you know,
you see these teams just punishing him, and you know,
the defensive lineman they're enjoying themselves.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Of course, yes, they're enjoying.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Look, I just didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
It's so it's so crazy to see how they somehow
made their quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Situation worse than that jersey that used to hang with
all the names on it. You know, how could it
possibly worse?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
What if we put one name on it and it's Watson,
right like I mean, and then the streak where they
where they just don't convert third downs ever?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, is wild?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, just don't could get a third.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Haven't scored more than eighteen points in a game again,
haven't gained more than three hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
It's it's it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And so again Bengals defense, chance to build confidence, chance
to get some young guys, uh continuing to make some plays.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
You can't really dial up a much better situation than
this one for for what they need. But you know, uh,
they still you know, they still have to go and
they have to stop Miles Garrett. No, I do all
those things they've struggled with, and is gonna come back
and that's gonna get everybody all excited and maybe they'll
just go out there and you know what they do.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, they go out there.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
They go full like Corey Dillon Bengals Broncos, and they
just give it to Nick Chubb like thirty four times
and just not let Watson go the go the the
dick Lebo style, right, you just hand it off over
and over and over again and let Scott you'll complete
two passes.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And then and try to run it. I mean that
might be their best strategy. Yes, I would.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I would totally agree, is to.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Go full running game.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
But yeah, they don't have they don't have much going
on there other than just now.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
And I made it sound like I know they're going
to win the game, and I'm I'm I don't, but
from a fan perspective, there's nothing better than winning that
sort of game. And then you know, sometimes your team
will beat a bad team and then you know the
bad team, well.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
They're gonna make some changes. No, this is great.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You beat that bad team, you put them at one
and six, and yeah, you're bad and you're stuck with
the main reason why you're bad.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Sea enjoy the Guardians. That's what I want on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Their only way out is actually what they're doing is
the tank. The tank is their only way out, and
I would suggest continuing to play Deshaun Watson is as
tanky as it gets.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
It is tanky. But and you know, look, I get.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
That they're stuck with it. It's the only way to
offset is money.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And they did bail on Amari Cooper.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
But I just like you mentioned Miles Garrett, who is
a terrific player and he's playing through an injury, Like
if you're him.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
How does this make you feel?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
There are players on that especially on defense, who have value,
who are trying, and yet we're sticking with this quarterback
who clearly isn't working. Jameis Winston might not be an
exponentially better upgrade, but you gotta try and try it
from a competitive standpoint. So I guess I look at
it from the perspective of some of those players or
(26:35):
the coach who it's like, all right, if you're gonna
tank and guarantee me that I have a chance to
see this through, that's one thing. But if I'm now
tethered to Deshaun Watson and you're not gonna hit the
eject button on him and it's gonna cost me my
job with then thanks.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I mean we've seen these types of situations around here before.
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Where it comes down to is are you and are
you really telling me that everything the y're saying As
a coach, I basically shouldn't trust because you say that
if somebody proves that they are better than they can play,
or that somebody is not playing, well, they'll.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Look for a better answer.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
It's it questions the entire integrity of the coaching staff
and the way that they address players, and that absolutely
just kills your entire organization. So that said, I don't
know enough about what's going on there specifically, but it's
really hard to say that somebody.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I'm enjoying it. That's great.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Somebody has is lying because there's no there's no there
is no way I know that.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
But I mean, you know, you know, like there's no
way that Kevin's fancy asked actually feels this way. No way, Kevin.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I watched his press conference yesterday, I looked like a
hostage video.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah, well, like Jimmy like that.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Well, by the way, not the first hostage video we've
seen from Kevin Sepans.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
He's been forced to be a hostage many.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Times, right, So I I just want to twist then
if I want the Bengals to go there, And I
genuinely don't think there's I don't think the Bengals are
really capable right now playing a game that's easy. Uh,
But I would love for them to just extend the
misery and and then walk away and we could just go, yeah,
good playing. You A will see in December, well Deshaun
Watson still be the quarterback? Because if so, that'll be fun. Yeah,
(28:18):
and just I as a fan would enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah. Well, they'll take anything you need.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Did anything happen offensively? You talked about what the Giants
did from a Bengals perspective. Did anything happen offensively that
should give me pause? Or can I just chalk it
up to allows you Sunday night?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I don't, you know, I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I think that the only thing that and we talked
about the offensive line a little bit, it was because
the things that gave you pause in that game were
the uncared like Jamar Chase drop, you know, things that
would have extended Drives Burrow with the talking about the
happy feet that he kind of had in the first half.
(28:58):
First time we've talked about that since the open or
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
So the first time that I felt like the pressure
he was under in the first half and he did
address it was more on Joe than what the offense
won it.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I mean there were multiple plays where it seemed like
he wasn't doing what he normally does is just make
the quick decision and either get out of there or
get rid of the ball or know exactly what he's doing,
you know, sort of like in his long run where
he knew exactly what he was doing, did it so
quick that it it beat the bad play to the punch.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Uh So, Yeah, but that's so that stuff has been
so uncharacteristic from what they've been. I don't I don't
take pause inive it.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I still think that that you can see it, you
still see them as the same kind of machine that
they've been.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I think t Higgins is playing awesome.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yeah, and he's kind of That hamstring injury is so
unfortunate that he had in the first two weeks because
you probably feel like outcomes are different when you look
at the way that they he has really accelerated everything they're.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Doing and it's the same.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
You know when we talked about that, how he looked
and came like this is what he looked as good
as ever. You know what I keep noticing from him
is this like sneaky yack that he feels like he's
had a little extra juice to himself after the ball
this year, where I need to study it a little
more and go back and watch more of his catches
(30:19):
from previous seasons. I wouldn't call him like Chad where
he would just go down as.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Soon as he catch it, but he felt a little.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
More like not necessarily looking to like break out big time.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, it's funny because he had in the second Steeler
game last year, he had a long catch and run
and I think we might have talked like there are
as great of a player as he has been, there
aren't many of those.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
And that was a catch and run.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I'm talking guys trying to tackle him, him breaking tackle
and carrying guys for a couple extra yards. That like,
just that extra stuff. I'm here for the fight after
the catch where he hasn't always given off that. I
don't feel like he's just been a guy that's like
I'm just gonna get this rebound on you.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And that's that.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
That's felt like a little extra level to his game
this year.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
That's been fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
And that is just it's so demoralizing across from Jamar
Chase because you're just they're so forced to play him
one on one and when he can high point and
then be a little bit more of a dog even
after the catch.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's just it's so true.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I mean really, for a couple of years now, whenever
they've had that trio, the Bengals Holy Trinity on the
field together, they've been pretty close to unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I said this to Tony yesterday.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I felt like his game on Sunday night, you know,
seven catches on seven targets, seven targets for seventy seven yards.
That's a good game. That's a nice game. But the
numbers don't jump off the page if you're looking at
box scores, right, I think to really appreciate how good
he was, there are times where you have to watch
the game and you know, you could look at the
box score from Jamar against Baltimore and go, boy, he
(31:57):
must have been awesome. Yeah, But like watching T it
that the stats didn't tell the entire story. It was
situations where he caught it, what those catches did, degree
of difficulty, a little yard, some yards after the catch,
like that was assuming he's not here.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
When we think about the T.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Higgins body of work, we'll think of some of the
games where statistically he was insane. But I'll think of
a game like Sunday Night where you kind of had
to have watched it.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
To really appreciate what he did.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
And and you know, you see more of I see
more and more of this, and and it's it's you.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Have to think that. In the Bengals owner's box, they're.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Thinking the same thing of like can we just find
a way, right, Yes, there's got to be away to
keep this that's how do you not feel?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
How do you not how did you watch Sunday or
even what he did the week before and not feel
that way?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Like are we sure? Are we sure? Are we sure? Well?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's not only are we sure we can't pay him,
but are we sure? We don't want to watch him
do that to us because you can't control where.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
He goes exactly.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
But you know what, I think it's also part of
kicking the can down one more year, is reevaluate and
maybe things change, maybe you feel differently about it after
you get through this year. I don't know that that
will be the case, but things do change often and
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I also do want to point out, like I.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
It's becoming very notable how in really critical moments andre
Yosfash is showing up, Like whether it was all the
red zone stuff, huge plays in the red zone, it
really since it started, But I mean that twenty nine
yard catch on third and twelve, the ability to pick
up the off script play mid stream, flip get in
(33:47):
phase immediately with burrow lock eyes, then go up vice
script the ball so he doesn't even even a tiniest
bobble there and it's not a catch toe tap come
down where it's like it feels like he has the
most bang for your buck of anybody on the team,
where every play he makes feels massive, the ones that
they've gone to him on. And you talk about demoralizing
(34:10):
for defenses, it's when when you're so worried about these
other things and then in that play, that guy too,
that guy makes that play with just off script, perfectly
with you know Burrow, who's so good at that stuff
to be able to be the one to make that play.
It's why they're going to keep him on the field
in big situations and not why that you can see
that Burrow clearly has a ton of trust in him.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Well, and it's interesting, you know, Jermaine Burton's a healthy
scratch And when Andre made that play, my statement to
anybody who would listen would be, I hope Jermaine Burton
was paying attention because those are the sort of players
you're gonna have to figure out a way to make
if if you're gonna stick and if you're gonna get
opportunities on this team. Yeah, yes, and so yeah, Jermaine
ran the street round and caught the pass against the Chiefs,
(34:51):
and that's awesome, but you're only gonna dress and get
opportunities if you can do that.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
The offense is always going to be based on these
And I'm not saying Jermaine doesn't have this and.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
He's just a rookie whatever.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
When the guys that we've seen succeed here, these high
football intelligence able to quickly connect with what Burrow's trying to.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Do, it's he's a different quarterback. He's different than a
lot of guys.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
And whether it was Trent Irwin when he first made
a name for himself and now we're seeing what Andre
has done, and he did that a lot last year
and stuff like that, and Jamar and t obviously have
had that to connect with what Burrow is trying to do.
Understand when he's going off script, Understand his timing. It's
so important to him in the way that he and
how quickly he processes. The receivers have to now be
(35:37):
able to process along with him, which isn't always easy
to do. And so the fact that Andre's been able
to come in and pick that up, it shows. And
that's the reason that Burrow has looked for him in
so many big moments.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
All right enjoy the game Sunday.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
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Speaker 5 (36:00):
Good to have you as always, it was a pleasure.
I can't wait to hear the rest of the show.
I'll be listening the rest of the day.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Really.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Oh yeah, well at least until I got on my car.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Thanks. It is seven away from four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
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Speaker 4 (36:17):
I don't know what's scarier, the spot your pet just
It's the Battle of Ohio. Fresh off their prime time
victory over the.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Giants, shot for the pop touchdown, Joe.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Burrow and his Bengals roaring to Cleveland to take down
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The Orange and Black are ready to attend.
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Speaker 4 (00:51):
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Speaker 5 (01:35):
You know what I enjoy, yeah, is that every time
we sit down at the different B dubs that we're at,
I get to hear some story about your drinking history,
yes you know, and find out about what what portion
of your life you have connected and what errors, maybe
a judgment you've made, losses you've taken at different places.
(01:57):
You could really write a book on just my life
in B dub's, So you know.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
It's it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So the folks at Buffalo Wild Wings agreed to let
us do our show at different locations during the football season.
So it's it's eighteen weeks. It's not that there's some
that were doubling up. But before the season started, I
jumped on a zoom call, well like the general manager
of all these different Buffalo Wild Wings.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Then I literally went around the zoom and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, yeah, Newport boy, That's that's where I went, and
like just with each one of them, except for the
poor guy in Middletown.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I haven't been to the one in Middletown. Yeah, but
I'll go there next week.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You go there next weekend. It's makes some new memories,
make some new memories. I have a lot of memories
at this one. I have a lot of memories here
at this is. This is where I watched Remember the
the Bengals Steelers game where like Troy Polamalo dominated Carson Palmer.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, that happened at this game at this Buffalo Wild Wings.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
What a magical day.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, it was the first time I was over at
this one.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Was that was that when he like didn't need that
when he jumped over jumped over the center or is
that the one where he had the d the pick
and then like rand dode over on the way.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
To that one?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah that one? Yeah, Yeah, that not a great one there.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, So that was the first I had better memories,
better sports memories than that.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But I've watched a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
At this buffalo. Well it's a it's a good one
to be at.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It's a good one to be at, very easy to
get to close to I two seventy five, and so
come on out when you get off work, hang out
with us here at beat ups.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
We have a lot to discuss.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
We always do, we do.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You know the thing about these twos, we have more
pleasant things to discussed this week.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
There are a few more positive developments. A Giants player
didn't pick up an easy recoverable fumbable and so so
everybody's feeling a lot better today than they would have
been if if it would have gone the other way.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Do you know what's interesting about that fumble? So I
was watching that game and Chase Brown fumbles and I
was with a coworker of mine who you know, And
as he lets go with the ball and it looks
like the Giants player is going to recover it, I
start jumping up and down in front, and they go
(04:01):
to commercial break, and I thought it was Giant's ball.
So I said out loud, they're going to lose. And
my buddy's like a bunch of other rules, like what
are you talking with balling out of bounce the ball
had had that fumble been lost, I have no doubt
in my mind the Bengals would have lost that football game.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It sure felt that.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I hate to say that, but I have no doubt
in my mind they would have lost that foot on.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
The momentum that would have come from it, and just
everything about it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Boy, that's I let you look back.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
At these first five weeks and we sort of almost
joked about how ridiculous the fact that they were one
and four was when you consider how well they played
on offense and all the other things, and some of
the crazy the losing plays at winning time we'd been
talking about that had been dogging them, and just the
(04:51):
bounces didn't go their way.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
The bounce went their.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Way, but they still put the opportunity out there for
the other team, and that credit. That's still a losing
play at winning time, boy, And it's it's hard not
to get past that sometimes because just because the ball
didn't get bounced here did bounce your way this time,
doesn't mean that the mistake still isn't very real.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I mean, two fumbles from their running backs.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
That change that both one did change the direction of
the game, and the other one almost had a fatal direction.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Of that well, and I don't recall who asked it,
but Zach yesterday was asked about the fumbles and.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It's it was that you it is kind of it's
becoming a thing.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's becoming a thing.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I mean that last year was was freaky stuff. They'd
only only lost two fumbles in the next and the next.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Lowest was five.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Uh, and so they were gonna regress to the mean
a little bit just by the nature of fumble luck.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And can't count that one.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
But that said, I mean they have been high leverage
fumbles this year, right, I mean when you're driving to
basically put the game away. Was Zach Moss, what could
have happened the Tanner Hudson with the early celebration your
favorite play.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Of the year.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I mean, there's been so many of those where it's
just you just you just can't have it. You should
have seen Jamar Chase's reaction when I asked him what
was going I said, I just said, you know, did
you did you have a good view when you were
out there of the funnel?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Did you see it?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And he's kind of explains where he was, Oh, it
was kind of over on the other sides, but yeah,
I saw it.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I was like, what went through your mind? And he
gave this look like like I am.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Holding in what I really want to say and I'm
gonna think about what I'm supposed to say.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And then he you know, he's like, uh, get the
hell out of bounds.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
It's just like that was that was the that was
the like most PG thing he could come up with
from everything else that was in his head. But I'm
sure everybody's thinking like that because there's it's hard not
to have the scar tissue of dread from the first
five games. Yes, Like it's just hard not to right now.
And that's such a different feel that they have to change.
And I think maybe this game against the Giants, and
(07:05):
maybe it takes the other team blowing an opportunity to
pick up a fumble to get them to start playing
confidently and feeling like they're gonna make the play and.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Certainly not dreading that the thing is gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, that's that's the mark of good teams and who
they've been in the past, except this year it has
felt the opposite. So that's something they need to gather.
System and maybe that comes from what happened.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Against we did Baalds don't lie this morning.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I don't know if it's it is out yourself, Jay Morrison,
and you had me on there and you asked basically,
what was Did I.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Walk away from the game encouraged or discouraged?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And I think I'm maybe the most encouraged Bengals fan
there is because one of my energy and the immediate
aftermath of the game was the defense has to get better,
and if it is, it has to start somewhere. There's
the beginning. Now ask me in five weeks if they
ult upon it. Maybe the answer is no. But it
(08:03):
was gonna have to start somewhere. A better health. They're healthy.
I still wish they had that still we all do,
but relatively speaking, especially upfront, a lot of guys available, healthier,
and then just improvement of performance. Say what you want
about the New York Giants, we could dwell on who
they didn't have. It was gonna have to start somewhere.
So I viewed Sunday as the starting point. Who knows
(08:26):
where it ends, but I viewed that as a starting point,
and I gotta win with it too.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah, you know, last week I told you was that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I don't know if I'm the only.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Optimistic person coming off off that Ravens game, but I
felt like the defense had to get better because they
weren't gonna play the Ravens and they weren't going to
play the Commanders. And I mean they are playing the
Ravens can actually, but they weren't gonna play. But there
are very few games against some right side the teams.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
They need to make teams like the Giants look like that.
Mm hmm, like that.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
And if they do that, their defense will be fine
to get to the levels that it needs to be
for the offense and still carry it. Now they didn't
as much on Sunday night, I'm not as concerned about
that because that's what the Giants have done to everybody.
The Giants have not let up more than twenty one
offensive points to a single opponent all year.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So that's and that includes the command Well, I was.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Gonna say that the toast of the league still right now,
even after losing on Sundays, the Washington Commanders go, look
at what that Giants team did to that offense.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, they kept shutting them down in the red zone.
And because it's just it's just.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
The difference that a real defensive line at elite levels makes,
like the rest of it can be whatever. I mean,
Dexter Lawrence and Bryan purns Man are just a handful,
and the other guys are no slouches. Obviously that was shown.
I mean, Azizo Juli, I mean had a great game.
You saw that, and so I just you know, they
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they are where it's at on.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
The defense and some line.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And the interesting thing about you know, because Bengals offense
had come in and the line was was, you know,
leading the league in the lowest pressure percentage, and ever
after every game Zach Taylor and Dan Pitcher were praising
the play of the line. They built these pass protectors
and they got beat up.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
But in the.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Rewatch and Zach Taylor sort of confirmed when I asked
about him yesterday, it looked more like weird clunky stuff
like communication and procedural stuff and like rules not getting.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Whipped one on one. They lost some which you would
expect you against those.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Guys, but it didn't They didn't look physically overwhelmed at all.
And I thought, well, that felt more encouraging on the
rewatch than it did live where it felt chaotic and
like they were just getting beat. They still obviously are
things to fix, but I'd rather have, you know, procedural
communication type stuff to clean up and get fixed rather
(11:05):
than having to worry about Oh look, Dexter Lawrence tossed
Ted Carrison too, Joe Burrow, which we've seen that for
not necessarily with Ted, but we've seen that with Bengals
offensive line. So I thought they handled it okay, and
we know what they are. I think we know what
they're gonna be. So I thought the offense was was okay.
They could have obviously been much better, and it was
(11:26):
and it wasn't great, but I certainly wouldn't come away
discouraged by it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I want to talk about the start of the game
when we come back, and I want to test your
your knowledge of Bengals trade history.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I got a pretty good knowledge Bengals trade history, I know,
which is why we're gonna test, all right, all right,
well to that when we come back.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
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Speaker 3 (13:41):
Start of the game, and there were a few, but
the start of the game on Sunday night was bj Hill.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, the revenge game.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Four years later, he goes back and plays great against
his former team. This has been a great trade for
a while. It was after one year almost immediately.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, even even like in the what they got something?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Lance mcay alistair on his website kind of revisited that trade,
which has it has worked so well?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Bengals trade history.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, where do you put.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
It, bj Hill has not been a star.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It's not like he's played in a bunch of Pro Bowls,
but been here for quite a while, made a huge
play in arguably the biggest victory in the history of
the franchise against the Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game.
Has been a steadying presence as they've made a transition
to some other guys on the defensive line, and Billy
Price was never going to play here, so they got
(14:31):
this player who has done so much in exchange for
somebody that wasn't going to make the team. In twenty
twenty one, there have been higher profile trades. There probably
have been better trades, not many.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Not many.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
They once got an actual pick for bene ben Wickery, Okay,
which that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
One blew my mind more than anything.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
A guy who was based on barely anybody and showed
up and had a.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Terrible camp, and then they they were gonna lee six
round pick. I don't even remember.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Maybe Chris Evans, I don't even know, I think, but
there's always times where it's like that one bloom, that
one blew my mind?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
How did they actually get something?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I above to believe the best trade ever is Carson
Palmer for two picks that turned into good players.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Good players.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
That that is up there. Reggie Nelson for David Jones, Yes,
is pretty clterrific as far as modern like modern history,
you know that type of stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Does.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I mean that's and by the way, we.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Could have had this conversation before Sunday, Yes, but Sunday
sort of triggers the conversation.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
And it adds another chapter in plus what he's done.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Here and plus so much of Bjay's impact was in
that first year. And I mean people don't talk enough
about how much the depth of that defensive.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Line was a driver for that Super Bowl run.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
And the fact they were able to pair Larry Yoga
Jobi with BJ Hill was such a big part of
which takes you to the current conversation. And what was
the topic and I know from the players that I
talked to after the game specifically, was how much that
deep rotation helped them play better. Sam Hubbard now has
(16:18):
his story has been much discussed.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, this year, he has.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
This even specifically out loud yesterday, this grade three hamstring
that happened in camp.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Worked his way through it.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
He didn't want to talk about it because he want
to complain about it because so many of the defensive
linemen were down.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
He knew they needed him. He played through it. He
played poorly. He knew he played poorly.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Okay, all that's fine, But he admitted to me after
the game, like when we were out there, when we
were down people, it felt like every play was just
survival mode, like they just were they had nothing to give.
They were just trying to hold on and you're not
thinking about making plays, You're just thinking about trying.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
To get through it. And they looked like that.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
They looked like a team that was just trying to
get them play. They looked like a team playing with
a purpose against the Giants. Now, is that because of
the Giants? Maybe some You're Thomas a good player, you know,
and Trey Hendrickson was still doing they were still able
to get in there. That My point is though, that
that really eight guys is at.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Least twenty one snaps.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, And you could see the feeling of those waves
changing the dynamic of the game, giving them juice late
in the game, keep staying in Daniel Jones grill and
making a difference, making that extra effort. I mean, McKinley
Jackson was running all over the field and for a
big guy, you don't expect to see a ton of that,
and he's obviously not alone, but that, Yeah, remember their
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identity on defense that they openly declared they want themselves
to be for a long time, including this year, is
like is relentlessness and just constantly being the team of
high mode and just constantly going after a chasing side it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And you didn't see all the time of that.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
They were bemoaning not having enough hats to the ball
the previous week because it mistackles because they're just kind
of not really getting under the ground and not have
enough people around the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
They're supposed to be built on the exact opposite.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
They have scouted and drafted profiles of people that are
supposed to be the exact opposite. Well, part of that
is gonna be because you gotta have guys that feel
like they're out there getting after it. They looked more
like that against the Giants, and I think the health
of that group and the fact they were willing to go,
you know, credit Luis Rumo and I guess Marion hobby
with rotations of being like it's valuable for us to
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make sure all of these guys are playing not a little,
you know, all of them having more major roles to
keep everybody fresh. That you really saw that with Hubbard,
you saw that with Hill, you're just getting We've said
that about BJ for a while, like you need to
be getting more with less out of him. That's when
he's at his best. Don't ask any of these guys
really to be out there playing. They have been two
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nation in recent years, so I just felt like that
made a huge difference. And you got a lot of
that BJ Hill play too that you expect, and they
just you know, they look like a different team with
more guys like that.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That's the main takeaway of the game for me, that
that healthy defensive line can work. That that healthy defensive
line with the bodies that I saw, and the upside
of a player like McKinley Jackson and the upside of
a player like Chris Jenkins, where you've you've got some
dudes who have been there before, but you also have
some guys that they draft early, drafted early for a reason.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
And as the season goes on, you expect to see
more and more of that, and in a role like
in a role.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
That's not featured right, And that was the whole point,
is like, still have your veterans be your frontline guys
and let those other guys have their opportunities, but real opportunities,
not you know, throwing a bone for two snaps here
and there, but real, real roles in the game plan
and being out there in big moments.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And uh, and I thought it showed.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
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League Championship Series continues tonight Game two in New York.
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Speaker 4 (21:48):
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So this is an ideal set of circumstances if you're
a Bengals fan, this game on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
The Browns are bad.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
The relationship between the fan base and the organization and
the quarterback could not be more toxic. They're running out there,
Deshaun Watson. They've just traded one of his targets. This
is a chance to completely extinguish whatever hopes they have
of reviving their season and make an already awful situation worse.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
This is great. I cannot wait for this on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Really, yeah, I thought there might be some dread.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I mean, look, dreading this.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
This is the This is the chance to test the
theory of well, the Browns just have Joe Burrow's number
in Cleveland, right, yeah, I guess, but this would be
this would be the opportunity to because you can't they
haven't tried it out. A worse team than this one right,
if the entire time, if they're ever going to exercise
any demons in Cleveland, this is the time. I mean
you you can't have a quarterback playing work like you can't, can't.
(23:01):
The numbers suggest there has not been.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
One, I mean, like a quarterback playing We ran through
this on our show yesterday, Tony and I Historically he's
historically bad.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yes, like he's also a terrible quarterback.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah, well done, well done. Yeah, And it feels you know,
you see these teams just punishing him, and you know,
the defensive lineman they're enjoying themselves.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Of course, yes, they're enjoying.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Look, I just didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
It's so it's so crazy to see how they somehow
made their quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Situation worse than that jersey that used to hang with
all the names on it. You know, how could it
possibly worse?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
What if we put one name on it and it's Watson,
right like I mean, and then the streak where they
where they just don't convert third downs ever?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, is wild?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, just don't could get a third.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Haven't scored more than eighteen points in a game again,
haven't gained more than three hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
It's it's it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And so again Bengals defense, chance to build confidence, chance
to get some young guys, uh continuing to make some plays.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
You can't really dial up a much better situation than
this one for for what they need. But you know, uh,
they still you know, they still have to go and
they have to stop Miles Garrett. No, I do all
those things they've struggled with, and is gonna come back
and that's gonna get everybody all excited and maybe they'll
just go out there and you know what they do.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, they go out there.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
They go full like Corey Dillon Bengals Broncos, and they
just give it to Nick Chubb like thirty four times
and just not let Watson go the go the the
dick Lebo style, right, you just hand it off over
and over and over again and let Scott you'll complete
two passes.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And then and try to run it. I mean that
might be their best strategy. Yes, I would.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I would totally agree, is to.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Go full running game.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
But yeah, they don't have they don't have much going
on there other than just now.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
And I made it sound like I know they're going
to win the game, and I'm I'm I don't, but
from a fan perspective, there's nothing better than winning that
sort of game. And then you know, sometimes your team
will beat a bad team and then you know the
bad team, well.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
They're gonna make some changes. No, this is great.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You beat that bad team, you put them at one
and six, and yeah, you're bad and you're stuck with
the main reason why you're bad.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Sea enjoy the Guardians. That's what I want on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Their only way out is actually what they're doing is
the tank. The tank is their only way out, and
I would suggest continuing to play Deshaun Watson is as
tanky as it gets.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
It is tanky. But and you know, look, I get.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
That they're stuck with it. It's the only way to
offset is money.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And they did bail on Amari Cooper.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
But I just like you mentioned Miles Garrett, who is
a terrific player and he's playing through an injury, Like
if you're him.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
How does this make you feel?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
There are players on that especially on defense, who have value,
who are trying, and yet we're sticking with this quarterback
who clearly isn't working. Jameis Winston might not be an
exponentially better upgrade, but you gotta try and try it
from a competitive standpoint. So I guess I look at
it from the perspective of some of those players or
(26:35):
the coach who it's like, all right, if you're gonna
tank and guarantee me that I have a chance to
see this through, that's one thing. But if I'm now
tethered to Deshaun Watson and you're not gonna hit the
eject button on him and it's gonna cost me my
job with then thanks.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I mean we've seen these types of situations around here before.
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Where it comes down to is are you and are
you really telling me that everything the y're saying As
a coach, I basically shouldn't trust because you say that
if somebody proves that they are better than they can play,
or that somebody is not playing, well, they'll.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Look for a better answer.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
It's it questions the entire integrity of the coaching staff
and the way that they address players, and that absolutely
just kills your entire organization. So that said, I don't
know enough about what's going on there specifically, but it's
really hard to say that somebody.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I'm enjoying it. That's great.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Somebody has is lying because there's no there's no there
is no way I know that.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
But I mean, you know, you know, like there's no
way that Kevin's fancy asked actually feels this way. No way, Kevin.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I watched his press conference yesterday, I looked like a
hostage video.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah, well, like Jimmy like that.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Well, by the way, not the first hostage video we've
seen from Kevin Sepans.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
He's been forced to be a hostage many.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Times, right, So I I just want to twist then
if I want the Bengals to go there, And I
genuinely don't think there's I don't think the Bengals are
really capable right now playing a game that's easy. Uh,
But I would love for them to just extend the
misery and and then walk away and we could just go, yeah,
good playing. You A will see in December, well Deshaun
Watson still be the quarterback? Because if so, that'll be fun. Yeah,
(28:18):
and just I as a fan would enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah. Well, they'll take anything you need.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Did anything happen offensively? You talked about what the Giants
did from a Bengals perspective. Did anything happen offensively that
should give me pause? Or can I just chalk it
up to allows you Sunday night?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I don't, you know, I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I think that the only thing that and we talked
about the offensive line a little bit, it was because
the things that gave you pause in that game were
the uncared like Jamar Chase drop, you know, things that
would have extended Drives Burrow with the talking about the
happy feet that he kind of had in the first half.
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First time we've talked about that since the open or
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
So the first time that I felt like the pressure
he was under in the first half and he did
address it was more on Joe than what the offense
won it.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I mean there were multiple plays where it seemed like
he wasn't doing what he normally does is just make
the quick decision and either get out of there or
get rid of the ball or know exactly what he's doing,
you know, sort of like in his long run where
he knew exactly what he was doing, did it so
quick that it it beat the bad play to the punch.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Uh So, Yeah, but that's so that stuff has been
so uncharacteristic from what they've been. I don't I don't
take pause inive it.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I still think that that you can see it, you
still see them as the same kind of machine that
they've been.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I think t Higgins is playing awesome.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yeah, and he's kind of That hamstring injury is so
unfortunate that he had in the first two weeks because
you probably feel like outcomes are different when you look
at the way that they he has really accelerated everything they're.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Doing and it's the same.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
You know when we talked about that, how he looked
and came like this is what he looked as good
as ever. You know what I keep noticing from him
is this like sneaky yack that he feels like he's
had a little extra juice to himself after the ball
this year, where I need to study it a little
more and go back and watch more of his catches
(30:19):
from previous seasons. I wouldn't call him like Chad where
he would just go down as.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Soon as he catch it, but he felt a little.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
More like not necessarily looking to like break out big time.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, it's funny because he had in the second Steeler
game last year, he had a long catch and run
and I think we might have talked like there are
as great of a player as he has been, there
aren't many of those.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
And that was a catch and run.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I'm talking guys trying to tackle him, him breaking tackle
and carrying guys for a couple extra yards. That like,
just that extra stuff. I'm here for the fight after
the catch where he hasn't always given off that. I
don't feel like he's just been a guy that's like
I'm just gonna get this rebound on you.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And that's that.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
That's felt like a little extra level to his game
this year.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
That's been fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
And that is just it's so demoralizing across from Jamar
Chase because you're just they're so forced to play him
one on one and when he can high point and
then be a little bit more of a dog even
after the catch.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's just it's so true.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I mean really, for a couple of years now, whenever
they've had that trio, the Bengals Holy Trinity on the
field together, they've been pretty close to unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I said this to Tony yesterday.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I felt like his game on Sunday night, you know,
seven catches on seven targets, seven targets for seventy seven yards.
That's a good game. That's a nice game. But the
numbers don't jump off the page if you're looking at
box scores, right, I think to really appreciate how good
he was, there are times where you have to watch
the game and you know, you could look at the
box score from Jamar against Baltimore and go, boy, he
(31:57):
must have been awesome. Yeah, But like watching T it
that the stats didn't tell the entire story. It was
situations where he caught it, what those catches did, degree
of difficulty, a little yard, some yards after the catch,
like that was assuming he's not here.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
When we think about the T.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Higgins body of work, we'll think of some of the
games where statistically he was insane. But I'll think of
a game like Sunday Night where you kind of had
to have watched it.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
To really appreciate what he did.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
And and you know, you see more of I see
more and more of this, and and it's it's you.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Have to think that. In the Bengals owner's box, they're.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Thinking the same thing of like can we just find
a way, right, Yes, there's got to be away to
keep this that's how do you not feel?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
How do you not how did you watch Sunday or
even what he did the week before and not feel
that way?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Like are we sure? Are we sure? Are we sure? Well?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's not only are we sure we can't pay him,
but are we sure? We don't want to watch him
do that to us because you can't control where.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
He goes exactly.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
But you know what, I think it's also part of
kicking the can down one more year, is reevaluate and
maybe things change, maybe you feel differently about it after
you get through this year. I don't know that that
will be the case, but things do change often and
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I also do want to point out, like I.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
It's becoming very notable how in really critical moments andre
Yosfash is showing up, Like whether it was all the
red zone stuff, huge plays in the red zone, it
really since it started, But I mean that twenty nine
yard catch on third and twelve, the ability to pick
up the off script play mid stream, flip get in
(33:47):
phase immediately with burrow lock eyes, then go up vice
script the ball so he doesn't even even a tiniest
bobble there and it's not a catch toe tap come
down where it's like it feels like he has the
most bang for your buck of anybody on the team,
where every play he makes feels massive, the ones that
they've gone to him on. And you talk about demoralizing
(34:10):
for defenses, it's when when you're so worried about these
other things and then in that play, that guy too,
that guy makes that play with just off script, perfectly
with you know Burrow, who's so good at that stuff
to be able to be the one to make that play.
It's why they're going to keep him on the field
in big situations and not why that you can see
that Burrow clearly has a ton of trust in him.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Well, and it's interesting, you know, Jermaine Burton's a healthy
scratch And when Andre made that play, my statement to
anybody who would listen would be, I hope Jermaine Burton
was paying attention because those are the sort of players
you're gonna have to figure out a way to make
if if you're gonna stick and if you're gonna get
opportunities on this team. Yeah, yes, and so yeah, Jermaine
ran the street round and caught the pass against the Chiefs,
(34:51):
and that's awesome, but you're only gonna dress and get
opportunities if you can do that.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
The offense is always going to be based on these
And I'm not saying Jermaine doesn't have this and.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
He's just a rookie whatever.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
When the guys that we've seen succeed here, these high
football intelligence able to quickly connect with what Burrow's trying to.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Do, it's he's a different quarterback. He's different than a
lot of guys.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
And whether it was Trent Irwin when he first made
a name for himself and now we're seeing what Andre
has done, and he did that a lot last year
and stuff like that, and Jamar and t obviously have
had that to connect with what Burrow is trying to do.
Understand when he's going off script, Understand his timing. It's
so important to him in the way that he and
how quickly he processes. The receivers have to now be
(35:37):
able to process along with him, which isn't always easy
to do. And so the fact that Andre's been able
to come in and pick that up, it shows. And
that's the reason that Burrow has looked for him in
so many big moments.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
All right enjoy the game Sunday.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Thanks for as always, Paul Danner Junior, The Athletic dot Com.
The Growler podcast Balds Don't Lie came out today on
x AT Paul Dane J.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Good to have you as always, it was a pleasure.
I can't wait to hear the rest of the show.
I'll be listening the rest of the day.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Really.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Oh yeah, well at least until I got on my car.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Thanks. It is seven away from four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
We're above the wild Wings Harper's Point here till six
o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
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