10/23/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show w/ Chad Brendel

Chad talks Bengals lack of aggressiveness before the NFL trade deadline, Bearcats/Buffs and more

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your bangs and feathers.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Joe Burrow where his third touchdown.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Pass the jungle will be a rock and as Joe
Burrow at its Bengals take on Jalen Hurts Sunday, eating
touchdown Bank, Burrow and his boys continue their winning ways.
The Orange and Black Defense, Ground Billies, burd Heck get
the call live from Dead Hoard and Dave.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Leftbat Is Coppernaiale I Am Bam Fan coverage starts Sunday
morning at nine on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home
of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Here we go Wednesday, A beautiful sunny Wednesday in the
Queens City. Chad Brenda in Permoegar. You can catch Mo
down the dial tonight sixty nine on wl W. Thank

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you for choosing me, Arran and I abbreviated show today
out of five point thirty. Arran and I are going
to do our best to stay awake. We had our
favorite lunch. It's my Is it your favorite, Arran? Is
it your favorite that I bring in? Yes, it's my
favorite too. Today I don't when I don't receive it
takes this. I pretty much know what did, what time

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it is. I don't want to spoil it like now,
I guess though, like you know, you already know. If
I don't text like I got something in the works,
I don't. I don't want to say it on the
air because I don't want to get in trouble. But
it's it's in Clifton. It's my favorite spot in the
in the Queen City to eat. And boy, they gave

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us a lot of food today, Terran. The food coma
is real, real. We're not supposed to eat that much
for lunch, but it was delicious and you can't stop eating.
So we did. But we're gonna We're gonna make it through.
We're out of five thirty Kentucky. Do they do they
have a scrimmage or a charity exhibition? What do they
have going on? I don't even know. I think there's

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just a scrimmage. Okay, Kentucky starts at five thirty, so
we will be out early today. We've got Joe Burrow
coming up here in about about the eight eight nine
minutes something like that, so we gotta we gotta get
it moving. So I don't I don't have a lot
of time to do an opening monologue here like normal,
But the topic of the day. Is is very simple.

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The Chiefs trade for DeAndre Hopkins. They give up a
fifth round pick, can be a fourth This is can
be a fourth round pick. If he plays sixty percent
of Kansas City snaps on offense and the Chiefs make
the Super Bowl. That upgrades it to a fourth round pick.
And then the rest of his eight million dollar remaining

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contract the Tennessee Titans pay half. So essentially, the Chiefs
are going up a fifth round at worst, a fourth
round pick and four million dollars to get DeAndre Hopkins
to be their outside receiver. They're all in on super
Bowl number three. You would think that maybe a little

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complacent after two. No, they're as all in as they've
ever been. You saw what the Jets did earlier this week.
You saw what the Bills did earlier this week. The
trade deadline in the NFL was never really a thing.

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Now it is a thing, and teams are giving up
really really good players for pennies on the dollar. Teams
that are out of contention, mid level kind of insignificant
draft picks, especially when you're the Bengals and you're bad
at drafting. You can't come off a fifth rounder for

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somebody that can really help your team. It's frustrating because
they're not. They're not with the times that they are
not evolving like other teams in the NFL are and
unfortunately it gives you the sense that they are just

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content having Joe Burrow. We know Joe Burrow means we're
gonna win a lot and we're just gonna ride that
train and we'll see where it takes us. Well everybody else,
not everybody, but the people that are serious about winning
a Super Bowl are making moves, and it's frustrating. Are
they all in? Are they not all in? Key and

(04:39):
Nickoson will join us from Big twelve media days to
talk some UC basketball. Will probably sprinkle in a little
UC football there as well. I myself will also talk
some UC football as they get ready to head to Colorado.
Maybe sneak a little bit of basketball in there as well.
We'll talk to Richard Skinner. Like I said, we'll hear
from Joe Burrow. I'll ask Aaron his thoughts on bron

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and Brownie. Tony and Austin were not happy with it.
I think it's a lot of uh wasted energy worrying
about something that really is not a big deal. Good
for bron He's got that equity, he earned it. He
wants to play with this son cool go be the
best in the world. You get to you get to
call your shots a little bit. We've got a lot

(05:23):
to get to. We've got an abbreviated show to do.
So we've got Joe Burrow coming up after this commercial break,
so let's get to it. It's The Mogger Show, Cincinnati's
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnatis Love go the hell No. I

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heard it last night in your mouth dough. I mean,
we're waiting on Joe. It's been a while, Like you know,
over the last year the Ogs have kind of like
restake their claim to hip hop. I mean the l

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eminem one ist l I was like, don't forget about like,
don't forget that I'm one of the greatest ever. Do
this exactly. I paved the way for you to right.
I am one of the great and I still am
one of the greatest ever. Do this. That song is
incredible and this is actually you know, I'm not a

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like some of ice Cube stuff I think is a
little corny, but that was a pretty good one. Then
he put out what was it yesterday, two days ago.
I just came out last Friday. Okay, I just I
think I heard it two day. I think I heard
it Monday video. Yeah, the ogs are like, look, young pups,

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you have steered us wrong. It's time to get this
thing back on track. I only got one war with
that Snoop and Dre album I know, wait, which you
will probably just have to. That'll be the bumper music
for like three shows. Uh, while we're waiting for Joe Burrow,
the Reds and the Local Chapter. I didn't think we're

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gonna have any red stuff today, but we do. The
Reds and the Local Chapter of the Baseball Writers Association
of America have announced their twenty twenty four award winners.
No surprise, the Ernie Lombardi Award as the team's MVP,
Ellie De la Cruz Most Outstanding Pitch, Most Outstanding Pitcher,

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and Nick Martinez Luke Mayley the Joe Knoxall Good Guy Award.
All right, I'm done philibustering. Here's Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
How are you feeling this week?

Speaker 5 (07:41):
I feel good. I fel good. I feel good about
the plan, feel good about how my body feels. I
had a good week. Or a good day practice. So
I feel good about the week.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
I sach about this and y'all I'll ask you to
say you feel like a way this week get back
to block under. It is a chance for you ought
to really feel all that that Carrie on versus get
the head started.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
Yeah, I mean, we we're gonna talk about this every
week from hearing out now because of how we started,
but every week is still critical at this point.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Uh yeah, we got to get another win. Do you
kind of.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Just disregard the record to a degree? I mean, obviously
the record matters, but it's more about how you're playing
and how the team's progressing. It's that the the biggest deal.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Yeah, you just have to tread week by week. You
just gotta go one and o on the week.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Our record is what it is. With three and four,
we're still in its r.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Is there really mean that getting the five hundred does real?

Speaker 7 (08:28):
Literally?

Speaker 8 (08:28):
Does that make a different society?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (08:30):
Interesting, it's a number, but does it do any freel mentally?

Speaker 9 (08:32):
You didn't you get to that?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Boy?

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (08:34):
You you wanna have a winning record? Uh and this
is the the next step towards that goal. Uh So,
gotta go one and oh this week to get to
four and four?

Speaker 10 (08:45):
Do you think what the equals have on their side
and fall on our offense? They're explosive, one of the
most explosive offenses in the NFL. How much emphasis do
you guys have as an offense about playing better than you.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Have the last two weeks in terms of.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Scoring and just overall operation.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah, we gotta play great this week. We know what
they have. You know, they have really good players.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
They're gonna make plays on an offense and defense, So
we gotta play great on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
What'sles they help without their defense? We r they got
good players, they play within the scheme.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
They're well coached. We played against this style of defense before.
It's always tough.

Speaker 11 (09:19):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
They got a good pass rush. They're gonna they're gonna
pressure yet, so you gotta handle it well.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
You gotta get the ballot quickly, and you gotta push
the ball down the field when you find your opportunities.

Speaker 12 (09:30):
You played against Fano a few times and a different stops.
I mean, is his scheme pretty much the same? What
does he adaptive players he has or does what's.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
The what's it look like to you?

Speaker 6 (09:40):
He adapts hear to year, you know a little more
too high than he used to than he used to call.
I would say he mixes it up a little more
than he than he used to. Keeps you on your toes,
sense of pressure here and there. Uh, So you gotta
be ready for a lot of different things.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
They mix it up front wise, personnel wise, Uh, quarters
single high cloud.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
So they do a good job disguising everything and make
everything look the same.

Speaker 12 (10:09):
What over the years, you've really like give all the
team and meeting on team and it really grow in response.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Uh, people go down in the Super Bowl run?

Speaker 4 (10:15):
What's it about team that they sa a guy that
you can kind of turn to when you may need
to throw more so the pub pub the throws.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
I mean, he's just a great player.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
And I'm lucky enough to play with enough great players
on our offense that I'm I can throw the ball
where the defense tells me to throw it, not having
to think about other things.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
You know, I'm confident in any of our guys to
to just go and win.

Speaker 11 (10:46):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
And he's been playing great. He's gonna continue to play great.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
He's gonna continue to to make contested plays, win his
one on ones and make plays down the field.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Uh, so I'm gonna continue to go to 'em.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
How much do you allow yourself with you think about
uh that that this could be the last year that
you have both the kids you're born to talk to,
and if you've thought about it all as.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Went to the season, no nasense the season started, did
you think about that at all?

Speaker 6 (11:10):
Those lass You have a lot of to think about
in the off seasons. Yeah, you think about your own
career a lot of different things, how things can play out. Uh,
you know, that's life. Once you're in the season, there's
almost no.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Other thinking going on other than what's my job today?
Try to get better?

Speaker 7 (11:26):
Do you do you?

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Uh keep up with the quarterback class of twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Do you have any kind of relationship.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
With the Jibble?

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Mm?

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Not not really.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
You know, we we were at the Heisman ceremony together. Uh,
we played against each other and in college. Last time
I saw him was when we played him there in
twenty twenty. Uh, And I don't really have a I
wouldn't say I have a relationship with Chalen when you
were what.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
How important has Zach Most been in past protection and
how much did you trust him as much as you
guys to move him around and got in the center picking.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Up guys a mount outside. Yeah, he's he's done. Great job.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Uh, he's really fill filled that role that we needed expertly.
He's getting in the field for where he needs to
be in these checkdowns, the timing of when he's gonna
get the ball in those checkdowns. He's he's really been playing.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well, what do you remember from that game twenty twenty?
Retired and wasn't very fun?

Speaker 7 (12:19):
Are you hear you?

Speaker 4 (12:20):
How was there of this when you come upset or
what your thoughts as a point?

Speaker 5 (12:25):
I couldn't. I can't say that, No, I have. He's
a he's a great player, always was, uh, always disruptive.
So I'm glad he's retired.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
But was there a part of me that didn't wanted
That's kind of God to get back after he had
in twenty.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
No, No, I hope he's still sitting on his couch
and joining a nice steak dinner or something and stay
off the field.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Okay, was that game, but most you've been hit in
the hardest. That's tough to say. It was so long
ago now, I remember getting hit a lot, but I
remember getting hit a lot a lot of times, So
that's football. Does it feel does it feel like four
years ago? Does it feel longer that? Yes?

Speaker 7 (13:08):
And no.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
You know it feels like a long time ago, and
then it also feels like yesterday. I guess that's how
life is when you get a little older.

Speaker 10 (13:15):
Guys, Teve and three at home. I know each game
tells a different stories to why the outcome is what
it is.

Speaker 11 (13:21):
But is there any theme that you can point to
that you.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Guys need to correct?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
At home starts.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Winning some games here, and like you said, each game
is is its own thing. I don't think there you can.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
There hasn't really been a a consistent theme game to
game this year, things that we haven't done well where
we have each game is its own thing, and.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
You go to them correct based on that. Jo, What
do you say about how this teams responded after an
early three start. We've got two in a row, we
won three or four, so we put ourselves back into it.
That's all you can say. Right now. There's still a
lot of football to be played.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Only seven games in, we got ten games left, not
even halfway through it yet, so uh, story's still being written.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
Even though in some ways, if the first few weeks
and season you started with three.

Speaker 8 (14:10):
That you were able to do some good things, be
specifically at hotinits but the outcome of games like coming away.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
From it knowing what you can want like that in itself,
does that provide confident confidence for you guys, more so
than just feel like like he did some things? Well, yeah,
of course you always your goals to win the game
doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
And nothing else matters. You know you can throw for
five hundred and lose and get me pissed off afterwards.
You know, Michael is to win games, and that's why
we've done the last two weeks.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
We gotta keep it going, just not caring what it
looks like or how you play. Part of maturing as
a professionals that.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Always get you no matter what level, you always wanna win.
You know what it's say, early in my career I
I you know you early in your career are more
you wanna go out play well, You wanna help the
team win. You wanna do everything that you can to
help the team win, and that's that's often enough. But
then very quickly you realize that you just wanna win

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games doesn't really matter what your stats are, what people
think of, you, just wanna win games. Is there any
extra feeling ex of excitement or anything when you walk
in the locker room and the white holments are hanging up?

Speaker 4 (15:21):
No, if you take, uh, you've got your pay, jamions
gotten pays, who's got the page's may all the big
quarterbacks in that class have gotten the eighty seven years.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
You take a lot right of the.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Fact that you all's class have done really well.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
That's the right.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
Is there any part of you that like you feel
the certain talk.

Speaker 11 (15:36):
Of way about that.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
I'm really thought about it. I think, you know, we're
we're each our own player.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
I'm happy for for all the guys and that they've
play played well enough to to get their contracts.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
But I can't say I've really thought about that.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Oh it's well, I'm you never got talk about I
kept up with the do.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
A situation at all?

Speaker 5 (16:04):
No, not really.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
I know we got hurt a couple of weeks ago,
I had another concussion, so I've you know, it was
obviously thought about him in the moment, but I haven't
thought about it in a while.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
For guys that maybe I mean obviously not be in
quarterbacks so you know, how do you engauge when you're
at that level, when you're at your decision, you're at
engaging what you can do to help your team versus
portal sady, when you've had those situations in the past,
how you kind of manage, you know, handling all of
that is to figure out.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
What's best for you.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm gonna go out and and
play if I can drop, drop and throw. I'm I'm
not entirely I don't. I'm not sure that decision is
is my decision. If I can drop and throw, I'm
gonna go out and play, and then I think it's

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up to the decision makers whether my limitations when I'm
hurt hurt the team enough that I need to be
sat down.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
So I I always take that mindset. If I can
go out there and complete balls, hand the ball off,
drop throw, then I'm gonna go out there.

Speaker 12 (17:15):
In Philadelphia's defense in the last three weeks and played
really well. When you're a ridiculously high level, is there
anything you can point your finger to where you didn't
just they've done something different?

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Later, when do you think.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
They're getting really good pressure on the quarterback? You know
their their secondary is playing aggressive. They they've done a
good job. It'll be a challenge for us, but you
know we face challenging defenses before.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Are you more or less inclined to take off and
run when you feel pressure than you get it here
in your career?

Speaker 7 (17:47):
Mm?

Speaker 6 (17:48):
I probably move around less, probably more confident in in
you know, my ability to make a lot of different
throws from a lot of different platforms within within the pocket.
Pick and choose my spots where I extend and I run,
because that's something that I'm I'm really good at.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
Uh, But just try to pick my spots where I can.
Of Camp Joe, you always down played the worms wearing
a pretty new personally line. It just doesn't matter to me,
like I would. I'd win this out there whatever, like
it looks cool. It does, But I'd play in just
about anything. I'm just happy to be out there.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
After the Giants game, you talked about how you felt a.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Little bit sped up.

Speaker 10 (18:31):
How did you feel like you played against Cleveland's past
rush knowing that Inn faced really good ones.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
Yea, with how I how I played on Sunday, You know,
I felt like for the most part, I was pretty
accurate and made quick decisions and didn't let the the
rush get back there. And I think our offensive line
played well, could run the ball better, and we could
have taken advantage of some some different opportunities that we didn't. Uh,

(18:57):
I could have made some more plays down the field.
But there's always room to improve. But uh, you know,
I don't think I like to let the rush get
to me.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
The age of analytics is also stats from every day
in IPA, UPA and but is there a stat that
you look at?

Speaker 12 (19:12):
Is there a stat that you cos you uh, that
you know that you look at for your.

Speaker 13 (19:18):
Soul MM.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
Completion percentage I would say is the biggest, for the
most part, indicator of of how you're playing. If you
can just find completions, get the ball in your guys hands,
then you're gonna give them more opportunities to to go
make plays after the ball, go score touchdowns, get the
ball in your playmaker's hands. It's not always gonna be

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the coverage that you ex expect versus the concept that
you caught for it's can you still get a positive
gain in those looks? You know, some of the best
plays are turn out to be two or three four
yard games, but maybe you got pressure and you had
to slide in the pocket, you get hit, but you
find the back just trying to keep keep the ball

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in your guy's hands. Let them give them more opportunities
to make place.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
To any of the what any of these new animal categories.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
I would have to understand, like what goes into the
formula to really understand whether I care about it or not.
Like there's a lot of you, like, there's a lot
of ones that people use that I don't know, like

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what is weighted within the formula higher than others. So
I can't really make a decision on whether I care
about that or not because maybe maybe yards for attempt
is weighted too highly, maybe touchdowns or waited too highly,
maybe completion percentages. Maybe they're taken into account things that
they think matter that you know, you don't really think

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about as a quarterback because it doesn't really translate to
winning games. So I would have to do a deep
dive on the formulas and the weighted values of these
analytics to really understand them. And I can't say that
I've had time to do that.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
Is it what likebr or white?

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Is there a like is that one that like an
example of that or design you get up mind, You're like,
I just don't know what.

Speaker 14 (21:19):
Goes into that one.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
Yeah, i'd have to Yeah, QBR, you know, I think
I know passer rating is weighted heavily towards touchdowns. Touchdowns
don't really necessarily mean you're playing great. You could throw
a dime and get tackled at the one and then
you run it in. I think yards per attempt is
also weighted pretty highly in that, and that's pretty dependent

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on how you play offense.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
E PA. I don't know what that is.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
I've never seen the formula for that. Those are the
three that I like a analytics that I know, I
don't know the other ones.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I think you've said in the past that you judge
good practices by how few times have all hits the ground?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
How have you done this year and the team done
this year in that regard?

Speaker 5 (22:12):
How would you assess that?

Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah, you know, I think that that's that more rings
true later in the week when you start to dial
in your like, you've talked about the routes, you've talked
about the concepts against each individual look, and then you
rep it at the end, and then you're on the
same page. You know, early early in the week, it
can be you can be not on the same page
and some balls hit the ground and you come back

(22:35):
and talk about it and say, hey, I want you
to run this route a little differently, get a little
wider in your release or change your split. And so
Friday practice, UH, and in late in the Thursday third
down practice are are critical in that Wednesday's more so.
You still think about it, but not quite as much.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Thanks, thanks for everything.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
All right, there you go, Joe Burrow, Bengals Eagles give
me a tough, one explosive Philly offense. As you heard there,
I think it was lap uh. Eagles defense playing really
well of late the uh. Nick Sirianni is a terrible coach.
Talk has died down a little bit, just a little bit.

(23:22):
It's Philly, it's rough. Thisn's gonna be a it's gonna
be a battle on Sunday one that I'm not gonna
lie to here, and I'm probably there will be a
nap involved at some point during this game ten fifteen
Saturday night. Who let's take a break. We'll talk some

(23:44):
more Bengals after this. Phone lines are open five to one, three, seven,
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Speaker 1 (23:53):
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Speaker 2 (24:05):
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(24:26):
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you buy here. That is why you talk on it
like a when you're gonna have to turn it down
or I'm just gonna sit there and listen to it.

(24:48):
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the first time you're like, oh oh oh, turn it
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sports Yeah, sports Chad, Sports short show, remember sports show

(25:14):
short show. We gotta we gotta talk sports here, Tarran
uh Tarran le Let me let me ask you a question.
What is your belief, on a scale of one to
ten that the Bengals should make a trade to improve
this team before the trade deadline? A ten? What is
your belief that the Bengals will make a deal to

(25:37):
improve this team before the trade deadline? A negative team?
There you go, he guy. The biggest problem I have
with this franchise. And I think I've talked about this before, Arran.
I know I've talked about this before, probably about and
it's you know, it's it's getting up there in years now.

(25:58):
But the mid teens, fifteen sixteen kind of the like
that dragging on end of the Marvin Lewis era into
the start of Zach Taylor.

Speaker 7 (26:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I've been a Bengals fan my whole life, and I
just decided, you know what, I'm gonna switch it up.
I can't watch this franchise as a drama anymore. And
instead I started watching this franchise as a comedy. And
what does that mean? That means like when a drama ends,
like you're if it's a good one, you're hooked, You're

(26:31):
you're waiting for the next episode. You're thinking about it,
like when you lay down in bed that night, you're like, man,
that was good. I wonder what's gonna happen with my
favorite character next. When a comedy ends, you just move
on right like it's its own, independent, standalone thing, and
you move on. And that's what I did with the Bengals,
because I they're so far behind the times, and they refuse,

(26:55):
refuse to get all the way up to speed, and
when they do finally react, they're like ten years late.
So guess what when the Bengals play. I watch the game.
I'm invested in watching the game. But when the game ends,
I don't care win, lose, whatever, it doesn't. I just

(27:19):
become dead to it. I've done this for too long,
like too many sundays, ready to like break something and
then just being angry and like at incompetence and inability
to read the way that the game changes. You want
a perfect example. Football is changing in a big way

(27:41):
right now, Tarn, You know how football is changing in
a big way. We're starting to see guys like Derrick
Henry and Sakuon Barkley and backs of that ilk come
back into prominence. You know why, because teams are going smaller.
They need linebackers that can cover, which I mean smaller linebackers.

(28:02):
They need safeties that can take away the deep ball.
Because it's quote unquote a pass happy league, right, it's
a quarterback league. It's a yin and yang. The league
goes in one direction and then as the personnel follows
the trends, you see it go back in the other direction.

(28:24):
Two of the best offenses in the NFL belong to
who Baltimore Ravens, the Philadelphia Eagles, because they can mix
great passing, great quarterback play with a thumping, physical presence
at running back. You know what the Bengals have said,

(28:47):
running is not that important running the football. Taking some
heat off Joe Burrow. Nah, We're gonna put all the
pressure on Joe. They're a few years behind. They're always
a few years behind, always, and by the time they adapt,
the linebackers will be bigger again, the safeties will be bigger,
a little bit bigger again, and it won't be as effective.

(29:09):
This is the same thing that's happening with the trade deadline.
You know how many years and years and years and
years it took for the Bengals to take free agency. Seriously,
they're doing the same thing right now with the trade deadline.
In season trades, they overvalue draft picks that they are
terrible at using, incompetent at times, and they hold onto

(29:37):
those for dear life when everybody else is saying, Okay,
we need to get better at XYZ spot. It's worth
a fifth round pick and a couple million dollars. We
can do that. Three times this week, teams that needed
help at wide receiver went out and got high end

(29:57):
wide receivers for pennies on the day. Does that mean
I think the Bengals should be in the wide receiver market? No,
not really, not necessarily. I think they're fine at wide receiver.
Do I think they could use a defensive end to
go opposite Trey Hendrickson?

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, as good as Hendrickson is. Can you imagine what
it would look like if you had a menace somebody
that really could compliment him on the other side.

Speaker 15 (30:24):
According to report, they're too available. I know one they
won't They won't get because they're not going to trade
within the division.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
The Browns would trade within the division. I bet they're
at a level of desperation. Now, the question with Miles
Garrett is you're not getting him for conditional fifth and
a couple million dollars. But hey, I don't care. I agree.
I'm not disagreeing with that. My premise being though, there
is this trend in the NFL of going and taking
a good player from a bad team, relieving them of

(30:54):
that player's contract and giving up a mid level draft pick.
That's where the market is is right now, Like that's
the market efficient, like inefficiency. That's where teams are kind
of feasting. Miles Garrett's a different a different animal. Sure,
go get Miles Garrett. I'm not saying I'm against that, Tarren.

(31:14):
But but my point being, all these other teams are
looking at this and saying, we're all in on winning
a super Bowl, and we are going to take an
area of weakness, and we're gonna call a team that's
not gonna win a super Bowl that's looking to make
some changes to shake things up, and we're gonna take
that player that can help us get across the finish line.
That is the trend in the NFL. It's been that

(31:35):
way for what two years to pass two seasons, we
have seen more and more and more of this. When
it used to be the trade deadline in the NFL
would come and go and nobody, nobody would really change hands.
The market is changing in front of our eyes, and
the Bengals don't even have the TV on. They're not
checking the market. We're fine, We've got what we've got.

(32:02):
Maybe it works. I'm skeptical. I think there's a couple
spots you could You could take advantage of market inequities
and you could give up a fourth or a fifth
round pick that's probably gonna be spent on somebody that
at best helps this franchise. On special teams, go get
a linebacker, Go get a defensive end, maybe you go

(32:24):
get a corner, maybe you go get a guard. But
you can't just look at it and say that's not
we don't do that. If you don't find something that fits, okay,
that's fine, but you were active the Bengals look at

(32:46):
it and say, no, that's not who we are. Getting better.
Trying to actually push your team over the top for
a championship is not who you are. The Bills and
the Chiefs got better. The Jets got better. The Bengals
are supposed to be in that same conversation, but they're

(33:10):
not all in. They are of the belief that we
have Joe Burrow, and you know, we gave Joe all
the money that should be enough. You know what, you
know what great franchises would have done, Tarran. They'd have
found a way to make Jesse Bates work. They'd have
found a way to make T. Higgins work, because guess
what if you'd just signed those guys two years ago,

(33:35):
three years ago for Jesse Bates, two years ago for
T Higgins, almost all of that money would have already
been paid, and you'd have Tea for a couple more years,
and you'd have Jesse Bates maybe this year and next
year and in a player option for the year after that,
and the salary cap would have worked itself out. Arren

(33:57):
jelling at me to take a break. I'm on a roll, Terran,
but I'm to take a break and we'll continue when
I come back. Since then he's ESPN thirteen thirty Rocky here,
just this, we'll cut.

Speaker 9 (34:09):
There.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
We go, closing out our number one, Chad Brenda and
Fromoeger to get the main just we go. Oh my dogs,
that's on everything.

Speaker 7 (34:18):
They love the what we bang.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Let's go out to the phone. Ryan wants to talk
about the Bengals in the trade deadline. Brian, what's going on,
my friend?

Speaker 8 (34:26):
Not a lot, you know, just over here hating the
way the Bengals have been treating free agency exactly how
you've been saying for the past however many years. I've
been a lifelong fan for thirty five years, as I'm
thirty five years old, and I kind of just want
to ask, you know, it seems like everybody that talks
about the Bengals knows what's going on, and knows what's

(34:49):
going wrong and why we don't do anything in free
agency and how that could change our team.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Who is to blame?

Speaker 8 (34:55):
Why do we keep beating this thing over the head
and nobody else is picking it up? I mean, I
think before you answered the question, before he answered the question,
I'm the guy that always calls and serverts you. But
I love you.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
You're great, thanks man. It's all in good fun. Brother.
I I can take I can take a little. I
dish it out. I can certainly take it. I'm good. Yeah.
The problem is I don't think there's that urgency from
the family. This is the family business, like they're they're
in it to make money. I think they learned their

(35:28):
lesson over the years that losing is it can't happen
because of the way that the fan base will turn
on you and and and seats will be empty. But
I think they're okay with with being good. Like I
don't have you ever sensed in this organization that there's
just a burning desire to be great? No me either,

(35:51):
and I've been I've been around forty seven years now.
I've never since that that like maybe you know, probably
when when I was a kid and Paul Brown was around,
Like Paul had that, I think, but I I since
he has passed, Like I just I think they're okay
being good, Like we're okay, we got Joe Burrow. We're good.

(36:13):
We'll do what we can to put some pieces around him,
but never enough to be great.

Speaker 8 (36:18):
It's it's almost like a travesty because we have It's
like the Cincinnati Reds organization and the Bengals organization are
best friends and they talk about how to deal with
their team in the same way.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Well, the problem is for both of them, they're they're
small market ownership, Like this doesn't have to be a
small market organization either of them, but they always will
be because the ownership is small market. Like all the
money that they have for the Bengals is the Bengals
for the Reds. I mean, Castellini has banana money, but like,

(36:54):
you know, he's not exactly like independently wealthy, you know,
where he's got billions of dollars in the bank and
he owns the team because he's dying, burning desire is
to win a World Series. Have you ever felt like
the Bengals like they just they'll never be satisfied until

(37:14):
they get to a Super Bowl or win a Super Bowl?
Have you ever felt that? Correct? And can't.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
No, I haven't. But Kansas City has turned into this
like this powerhouse now, right, And it's like, how did
that happen? Because they obviously got a great quarterback in
the draft and now they're just winning super Bowls. I'm
not sure about the finances and the monetary stuff that
goes along with it. But when we went to the
Super Bowl, like we had a huge influx of Bengals
fans and I'm sure merchandise sales and.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Make a lot more money when you win, Brian, I know,
but when they.

Speaker 8 (37:44):
Get a taste of that, you know, it's like, why
don't they just say, we need to get over the humping,
get that money.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I don't know, but like if you look at Kansas City, Okay,
they've been under the Mahomes contract for years now. Their
defense got decimated, lost a bunch of people for agents whatever,
moved on, made decisions business decisions, and then they went
out and they restocked the cupboard and they have Patrick

(38:09):
Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and Chris Jones, and like they're
paying top of the market for guys at multiple different positions.
The Bengals couldn't pay Jesse Bates an extra four million
dollars a year.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
That hurts me. I bought his jersey and I still
wear it to this day every Sunday, and it hurts
me that we lost him four.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Million dollars a year. That wasn't some like quarterback contract
where like you're okay, paying two hundred, but the guy
wants two fifty. It was four million dollars a year.
The Bengals were willing to pay fourteen plus baits one
at eighteen, and they said that's a bridge too far,
and what did it cost them? The best safety in
the NFL. That's not serious.

Speaker 8 (38:50):
The worst part about our franchise, besides the fact that
we don't sign free agents and make our team better
that way, is the fact that we are absolutely horrendous
at draft thing. Whoever is in the war room needs
to go, and we don't sign our players. Joe Mixon
is having a wonderful year and Jesse Bates is the
best safety in the league, and it's like, why aren't

(39:11):
we paying just a little bit of extra money to
keep these players? It hurts, man, it hurts. I appreciate
you taking my call. I'm gonna hang up and all,
but I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Ran, Brian.

Speaker 8 (39:23):
You're killing it too, buddy, Brian, real quick, yep, I
deserve that.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
He thanks Man, a good call. Thank you, Take care, buddy.
I had to get him tearing. I had to, of course.
All right, let's take a break. Our number two coming up.
We'll talk to Kegan Nicholson at four thirty. We'll get
some bear cuts talk and uh more, Bengals. If you
want to talk Bengals, let's do it. Five one, three, seven, four,
fifteen thirty I'm here for you if you need to

(39:53):
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Speaker 1 (40:07):
Take on the Eagles cover It starts Sunday morning at
nine on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
All right, here we go, Hour number two again abbreviated show.
We're out at five point thirty. Kentucky Basketball is I
guess playing themselves and they need a ninety minute pregame
show to do that. That's wild. Thank you for choosing me.

(40:50):
Always a pleasure to sit in. I'm back on Friday, TARM,
but not with you this Friday. Yeah, are you at
the Football Frenzy Show? No, they're they're putting me on
l W again. Really, they're getting brave. I guess I
didn't screw things up too bad the other the other week?

(41:14):
Did they asked me to come back. Let me see
if I could switch shifts with our producer and see
you all right? All right, I'm down with that. Then
they might not let you come back, I mean, or
they might not put me back on there with you.

Speaker 10 (41:26):
No.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I mean, but like Seawan Shawn, Shawn kept it going
last Friday, like we didn't tone it down any Yeah,
but he didn't drop the lyrics with the song. He
didn't know. He just he just did the music. I mean,
if you can get that switched, like, let's go, let's
go anyhow, let's get back out to the phones. Coleman

(41:48):
wants to talk about the Bengals. What's going on? Coleman?

Speaker 7 (41:52):
Unfortunately?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
How you doing, man? I'm good? What unfortunately?

Speaker 14 (41:55):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Are you not doing okay? Are you just mad about
the Bengals?

Speaker 16 (41:59):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (41:59):
No, I'm not mad about the Bengals. I'm a little
frustrated that the lack of basic one on one football knowledge.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Are you saying I don't have any football knowledge?

Speaker 7 (42:09):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
No, not you, Okay, that's not you.

Speaker 7 (42:11):
Okay, Okay, yes, sir, would you hit the nail on
the head with regard to bear with me if I
jump around here about the past happy league, there is
a difference between a football fan and a Bengals fan.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
They are not.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
Necessarily the same thing, Okay, And the Bengals fans, as
long as they're so obsessed I'm gonna use the word
obsessed because it's just like the Four Gone Days with
Aj Green and Andy Dalton. The football just comprises of
a guy streaking down the field and the quarterbacks drawing

(42:50):
him the ball.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Thirty yard and forty yard bomb.

Speaker 7 (42:54):
Yeah, we're in the past happy league, and I get
that you're not going to outscore everyone.

Speaker 9 (43:00):
Would you please educate?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Is not going to happen. There are going to be
weeks that that happens, but over the course of a
seventeen game season, it's it's one of my favorite I
don't know how much of a UC basketball fan you are,
it's one of my favorite things that Mick Cronin used
to always talk about in the Big East that if
you're gonna blend in the Big East, you better be
able to dance all the dances. You better be able

(43:24):
to win a game in the eighties, You better be
able to win a game in the fifties and everything
in between.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
No, you touched on it. You have your computer fight
in front of you. You can look at the last
time when it was done. They're called the Miami Dolphins.
That's the last time it's been that long that a
team outscored everybody they played, right, Yeah, we know how
long ago that what?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Some decades ago, seventy two. I wasn't even alive.

Speaker 7 (43:51):
But oh but oh but but your point about Mike
Brown and the system it puts butts in the seat.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, that's the goals.

Speaker 7 (44:02):
Yeah, yeah, thank you, sir, that's the goal. Long as
you're screaming their heads out but ignorant to football, this
is Bengal fans. Long as Jamar catches a long touchdown,
everybody's happy. Ever, oh we lost the game. Uh yeah,
because you need.

Speaker 14 (44:17):
More than that.

Speaker 7 (44:17):
It's not a sustaining formula anywhere, just as the Cowboys
with CD LAMB.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Now that's working out, you know, Coleman, It's funny. I
I spent probably about thirty minutes last night trying to
find a Bengals Cowboys analogy, like the right Bengals Cowboys analogy.
I didn't settle on one because I think their situations
are different enough that I didn't think it would be fair.

(44:45):
But boy, I tried to go there. I tried. I
tried to work again there.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
It is my seven year old granddaughter to tell you
that they're gonna throw about a CD lamp sure.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I just mean in general, like Dak and Joe, Like
Joe was SI significantly better than Dak Prescott. You know,
Jerry Jones just as a menace when it comes to
the they have. The Cowboys have more talent than the Bengals.
They're significantly more talent than the Bengals.

Speaker 7 (45:15):
When when your office is predictable and your defense is shady,
you get problems.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 7 (45:25):
Appreciate the comments.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
All right, thanks, Calm, I appreciate it. I did, tarn.
I spent a lot of time last night trying to
find that that correlation between the Bengals and the and
the Cowboys, and I just couldn't. I couldn't drill down
in on it to one that I was overly comfortable with.
I tried, you got one, No, right, I just don't

(45:47):
think there's a good one, like I I think it
like I think the problem with the Brown or the
Brown family and Jerry Jones actually is similar, but they
go the exact opposite ways to get there. Does that
make sense? Like Jerry Jones was talking about now, like

(46:09):
you know, we didn't have the money, uh to go
get a Derrick Henry. Well, if you would have restructured
the contracts of your main guys back in the summer
or back in the spring, and didn't screw around and
wait all the way until you know, the eve of

(46:30):
the season. You would have freed up multiple millions of
dollars to go get a Derrick Henry who wanted to
play in Dallas. The Bengals have done this. They messed
up the Jesse Bates thing, they messed up the t
Higgins thing there. I think they're gonna eventually get the
Jamar Chase thing right. But was is Jamar Chase really

(46:54):
worth two a number of fellow number one wide receiver
and uh and and the best safety in football? I
don't know. Maybe, but I think if you look around,
like you know, go go look at serious franchises, you
know what they have. They have a cap expert. They
have somebody on payroll that's entire job. Is Okay, if

(47:17):
here's the way the cap works, and if we do
this now, that means we can do this next year,
and then we can do this the year after and
we can get our ducks in a row to where
we can make most everything work. Can you make everything work?

Speaker 9 (47:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Can you get pretty damn close? Yeah? I've watched teams
around the NFL do it. You see the Chiefs do
it almost every year, find a way to make it work.
And the Bengals just say, oh, you know, we gotta
pay Joe, we gotta pay Jamar. Everybody else, Andy, Sorry,

(47:53):
not gonna be able to not gonna be able to
fit you in the budget. It's just frustrating because it's
you have the one thing that you need, the one
thing that is required.

Speaker 9 (48:10):
To be a a.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I don't want to say annual, but to be a
regular contender for the Super Bowl, to be one of
those teams that has talked about every year. But you
only want to do enough work to just we're just
gonna be saying Joe and Jamar, Like, I think Jamar
gets done. I think Joe and Jamar are here for

(48:36):
five more years, okay, But I only feel comfortable that
it's going to be Joe and Jamar. Like if they
had to redo their defense at the level that the
Chiefs had to redo their defense at no chance, absolutely
no chance. The Chiefs got it done. They've won back
to back Super Bowls and now in pursuit of a third,

(48:59):
they go out and get d hop for a fifth
round pick and four million dollars, while the Bengals say, no,
we're good, we got what we need. Make it make sense.
Let's take a break. Uh, we'll get to we get

(49:21):
to a little uc Colorado. I want I want to.
I want to get Terren's thoughts on bron and Bronni
last night. Maybe a world series. We've got a lot
to talk about. Kegan nickoson UK basketball at five point thirty.
Kegan nickoson coming up at four thirty, about fifteen minutes.
So let's take a break now so that we can

(49:42):
get to Keegan on time. I know he's busy, probably
trying to get to Joe's Barbecue in Kansas City. Good stuff,
Terry's good stuff. It is more after this Cincinnati's ESPN
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Speaker 1 (49:59):
On the Office show, Home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis, ESPN
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Speaker 2 (50:17):
All right, here we go, rolling along, hour number two.
Kegan Nikolson coming up in about ten minutes. Chad Brenda
in from my wagger away. Now, wow, honest, you don't

(50:38):
have any we don't we don't get any flute bumper music.
I really goes to sleep a little eight minute flute soliloquy.
That's something you do when you're going to be Yeah,
all right, we're gonna go back to the phones. I
don't I don't have your name, but we're gonna talk Bengals.
Who am I talking to? Hello?

Speaker 11 (51:01):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Are you there?

Speaker 13 (51:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Who am I talking? Who am I talking to?

Speaker 14 (51:05):
This is it's verb in college here, hey man. One
problem they always have with the Bengals is that each
season will besides the year that Joe Burrow, of course
was drafted. He like selling to her Lap, so did

(51:25):
Jamar Chase. But the problem they have is they draft
in the twenties every year and the impact players that
they could be drafting are not there anymore. What the
Bengals going to have to do is come up into
the twenty twenty fours. Right, They need to draft. I

(51:46):
mean they need to move up in the draft and
give up draft capitals to move up to get the
best players at these positions. We need a defensive van,
we need defensive line, We need linebackers, impact players that
are in college that are all Americans and number one

(52:06):
you know, first rounds.

Speaker 13 (52:08):
But what we do every year is we.

Speaker 14 (52:10):
Draft in the twenties and we have to take what's less.
So I just think that is what they need to
do going forward. As far as the Browns spending money, man,
they are what they are. They've been that way for
a long time. I'm not trying to wish anything bad
Mike grown, but how long I'm as long would Mike
Brown being around? Right, I mean to do day to

(52:32):
day work, and you know it's gonna be up to
Katie and Troy to take over, you know, carry that
mantle of replenishing this team every year. So if you
end up in the twenties, you get what other people
passed over, basically. So I just think that they need
to learn how to move up into today's football and

(52:57):
you know, give up of her and you know in
a four for whatever they have to do to move
up in the draft.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
And I'm just listen, Okay, So sure that would that
would be ideal, But that's not exactly you know, you can't,
that can't be your strategy every year. And here's the thing.
There are a lot of teams that make it work.

(53:28):
There are teams that win every year. Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas, City, Yeah, Pittsburgh,
New England, for the longest time. That those teams have
to draft at the back end of the draft every year,
and they still find a way to make it work.
That's that's the trick to being consistently good for a

(53:54):
long time is being a team that has a standard
a proceed you know, the the right infrastructure in place
that is able to look at the board and say,
here's my problem with with with the Bengals and their
draft strategy. Far too often to me, they're perfectly okay

(54:19):
with taking the guy that is falling down the board.
Oh look, this guy was projected seventeen and we got him.
We got him at twenty four, this guy was projected
eighth and and we got him at twenty six, whatever
it may be, with very little regard that maybe there's

(54:40):
a reason that guy's falling twenty thirty forty spots. Like
if in the fourth round you want to take a
guy that was a projected late first round, or that's fine,
But if this continues to be a thing where you're
taking these guys that are seeing their draft value slip,
and you're the team that steps up and takes them

(55:01):
over and over again and then you continue to get burned.
Shouldn't you rethink that strategy. Shouldn't you maybe instead be
looking for guys that are moving up, for guys that
are thought of as you know, risers instead of stock fallers.

(55:26):
It's little stuff like that that if you're gonna consistently
be great in the NFL, if you're gonna consistently win
over a long extended stretch, you have to be able
to draft in the twenties, late twenties, early thirties, if
things go exactly how you want them to go. You

(55:49):
have to be because the biggest problem there is the
cost of trying to get back up into the top
ten or top five. When you're coming from twenty seven,
twenty eight, whatever. It's not just gonna cost you a third.
It's gonna cost you more than that because the other team,

(56:11):
you know, you're if you're six, then you trade up
to second. That team that was at two is still
getting a pretty dang good player at six. More often
than not, the team that's at eight, it's gonna take
them a lot to go back down to twenty seven.
You're not gonna be able to just give up, you know,

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a seventh round pick. The next year and be able
to make that kind of jump. So instead, what you
have to do is figure out a way to be
good at drafting in the late twenties early thirties. There's
a bunch of franchises that have done it. The ones
that have been at the top of the NFL for
a long long time have all figured it out. The

(56:56):
Bengals don't seem interested. Break Kegan nickoson Live from Kansas City,
Let Me Come Back, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
You've been listening to a football in Thennetti on the
official home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
So cracked her own up the back of.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
The hole, just smelling mustard, be dusk and the crack
of the doll. We go to episode to like Attack
of the Clothes, Welcome back here to crack one of
my favorites.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Yep, just the year back, just age back, just again to.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
The spirits thing you eat jab Brandall and from Oger
Let's go live to Kansas City. Big talib Kuali fan,
Keegan Nickoson joins us Bearcat Journal dot Com. Keegan, that
one's that one's on your regular That's on your gym playlist,
isn't it?

Speaker 13 (57:55):
You know?

Speaker 17 (57:55):
When I get on here with Tony, he never makes
fun of me for my music expertise.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
That's because Tony. Because Tony doesn't have any music expertise.
He's a dumb jock. How is Kansas City? And have
you been to Joe's?

Speaker 17 (58:15):
Kansas City is awesome. Every time I come here, it
gets better and better. Have not been to Joe's yet,
Planning on doing that when I leave the arena today.
I am super, super excited that the Big Twelve tournament
and I think Media Days are both here through twenty
thirty one, so that means two trips a year and
then not counting when Cincinnati plays at Allen Field House.

(58:37):
So I love this city and I'm glad it's kind
of the main city for the Big Twelve.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
How much did you learn about hip hop on our
our journey, our van journey to Kansas City and back
or did you just put your headphones in and tune
it out while Taran and I had fun.

Speaker 17 (58:54):
I'm pretty sure I put my headphones and tuned it
out while you and Taren were Dominie in the front
two seats. I remember getting in the car with my
fiance after that trip and just taking a big deep
breath like, uh, wow, I don't have to listen to
whatever it was the entire trip.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Unbelievable, Terrence, can you believe this?

Speaker 13 (59:17):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
You know what I should have done? Terran Austin wanted
to have him on Tony's show on three sixty today,
and I should have just let him have him. You
know what I mean. Unbelievable. What did you learn from
Wes Miller today?

Speaker 17 (59:32):
Kegan a pretty decent amount told us about day Da
Thomas's foot issue had a setback at practice. Repeated he
said he doesn't expect it to be a long term
thing or a serious thing, that Dada already feels better
than he did yesterday, and then just the continued emphasis

(59:57):
on continuity. Is I think really really going to work
in UC's favor, just in comparison to basically every other
team in the conference and every other team in the
country when you think about it, I don't think there's
many teams that have six of the top eight guys returning.
Scott Drew was the first coach to talk of the podium,
and soone asked him about roster building and how he

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does it and like what his plans are, and he says, look,
you're basically year to year right now, Like no one
knows the long term roles, so no one can put
together a long term plan because we don't know how
transfers are going to work. We don't know how NIL
deal stuff like that, how that's going to impact people
staying and people going. And I asked Wess about that

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and he was like, look, I think you have to
strive for continuity as much as possible, but if you
don't get that, you get some flexibility with the transfer portal,
with just the amount of players all over the country.
So I think that really really serves in UC's favor.
And west Miller isn't shying away from kind of boasting

(01:01:01):
about having his guys back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Yeah, the important thing to that, Kegan is a continuity
is critical. But it's an early season thing, right, Like
you still have to take your team and develop progress
and have them getting better and better towards the end
of the season. But it's certainly November and December now
it's a massive advantage to have a bunch of guys

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coming back because everybody else essentially is trying to figure
out who are we and what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:01:33):
Absolutely, And I think I mean November December for this
team is extremely important because you go back to last
year and say, hey, they win Xavier and Dayton, they're
probably in the tournament. Those two non conference games probably
give them a tournament bit. So if they can take
care of the non con and I think, I mean,
they have a decent chance of going four and oh

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at their four biggest games of Georgia Tech, Villanova, Xavier,
and Dayton, I don't think that will probably happen. I
think one of those games you inevitably drop just because
it's four good teams, two big road games with Villanova
and Georgia Tech. So if they can perform well in
the non conference and then just have I mean, you

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don't have to knock down doors in the Big twelve.
You can have a pretty good season in the Big twelve.
You should be looking at a pretty high seed in
the tournament. So that's going to help them for now.
But I mean it's like you said, he still has
to fit Dylan Mitchell and Connor Hickman and to a
lesser extent, Arrington Page and this rotation somehow make them

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play cohesively with the rest of the team, because if
you take out those three guys, I mean the outlook
for this team is pretty different.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Yeah, everybody's going to talk about Gisel James, everybody's going
to talk about Dan Skillings, everybody's going to talk about
Dylan Mitchell. But for me, I think the rock of
this team, and I genuinely believe he's going to end
up the leading scorer is Siemas Lucacius. I think he
is the most steady, the most consistent guy on the roster.

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I think his personality is built for it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
You got to talk to Siemos today. What did he
have to say about being ready for this year? Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:03:18):
The first question I asked him, and it's kind of
something that we asked him last year when he was
in a hot streak and I think he finished the
latter half of the season shooting forty one point six
percent from three, And we kind of asked him last
year like how disappointed are you that you just weren't
at full strength? And this time I was like, were you, like,
actually pretty pissed last year when you know you're you're

(01:03:39):
catching fire and lighting up the scoreboard and hitting big
shots and big situations and just thinking about being able
to do that for a full season. He's like, Yeah,
but you know, I think I'm in my best spot
right now and I'm really really looking forward to this season.
And I actually asked him when he thinks that he
like developed that clutch team and just having that willing

(01:04:00):
this to hit shots latent games, because he just kind
of he looks like he plays with a different confidence
in this kind of situation. And he said to me,
you know, it's kind of like what you probably did
in your driveway. It's just you count down from five
and you shoot the ball. And then I kind of
just developed that and I got used to that situation.
And I don't think that's exactly the same, you know,

(01:04:22):
probably versus Wells.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Here's the difference. Simos made a lot of those shots,
so his confidence built. We missed a lot of those shots.
So I started talking for a living, and you learned
how to play catcher.

Speaker 17 (01:04:37):
Yeah, I dropped the basketball I think in fifth grade,
and I didn't take it back up because it was
pretty clear. But uh yeah, making a mid range jumper
at the buzzer against Texas Tech is definitely much harder
than making it in your in your in your driveway.
But I mean, this is something that we talked about
last year of them not really having a guy to

(01:04:59):
go to the stretch. It was maybe Jisil just because
he looks like he might have the most talent offensively.
Team offs was struggling day day, wasn't really a great
option offensively, and then Dan's jumps out just wasn't where
it needed to be. And now, I mean it's clear
the option down the stretches team off to the kashis
the big shot against Texas Tech, the big shot against

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San Francisco. I think he might have had one against
PCU as well, if I'm remembering that correctly. But he's
the number one option down the stretch, and I think
I kind of agree with you that I think he'll
probably be the leading scorer, especially with the amount of
kickoffs they'll have, with their ability to offensive rebound and
just their ability to deflect balls coming off the rep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
And his ability to run off screens, get open and
in one motion catch, rise, fire and hit the bottom
of the net. Football. Before I let you go, what's
the plan? Do you do you leave tomorrow for Colorado?
Do you you hang out KC for a little while.
Like I'm paying for an extended vacation here for over

(01:06:05):
a couple of days.

Speaker 17 (01:06:07):
I thought about which one would be more fun to
spend two days in, So I picked the I picked
to go to Colorado for the two days. Flight leaves
at six am tomorrow, so that's fun. And then I
have to figure out something to do Thursday and Friday
in Colorado, so I would I'll probably go hiking.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I would send you a couple of suggestions. But I
don't think we have the same interests in Colorado. I'm
just saying, no, I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:06:37):
Think so, I don't. Yeah, that's the same everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yeah, Tony said you were a little scared. He thought
he kind of sensed you were a little scared in
Lubbock to really hang out with him and Mo.

Speaker 14 (01:06:53):
Scared of Mo.

Speaker 17 (01:06:54):
Yes, not exactly Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
I think Tony could drink you under the table. He
is from reading Tony could drink you under the table that.

Speaker 17 (01:07:00):
Yeah, anyone could. Anyone could.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
I'm a feather.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Okay, So Dan Hord's going to be with his son,
Jim Kelly has uh He's he's got friends out there
that he's going to be hanging out with, So you're
kind of going to be with like Zach, Steipe, Tony
and Moe, and you don't have to be at the
football stadium until like seven o'clock that next night. Like

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you're in trouble Friday night, You're in trouble. Son.

Speaker 17 (01:07:27):
I learned, let's just say, without elaborating too much, that
I learned my lesson in love itck and that will
not be happening again.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You're not You're not going out to play with the
big boys.

Speaker 11 (01:07:37):
Oh.

Speaker 17 (01:07:37):
I'll go out to play, but the certain activities that
we partake in will be different than in Love it.

Speaker 12 (01:07:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
You have felt good about the Bearcats in their last
two games. You felt confident, predicted a win against ucf Uh.
You you almost nailed the score prediction against Arizona State,
although the Arizona State fans we were very unhea happy
with your prediction of them scoring thirteen points. You were
off by one. You were wrong. They scored fourteen. Someone

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did apologize. What is your read? What is your feel
on this game?

Speaker 8 (01:08:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:08:15):
I think this one's going to be hard for Cincinnati
to win. Ultimately, when you look at their wide receiver corps,
they have four stubs at wide receiver with Travis Hunter,
who I think will be in a little bit more
of a snap count with his shoulder injury. And then
you have Jimmy Horn junior, Will Shepherd, a Vanderbilt transfer,

(01:08:37):
and then Lejont Western, former teammate of Tony Johnson at
Florida Atlantic, which is their second leading score kind of
a speed guy. I don't think Cincinnati's secondary has been
tested like they will be against Colorado, and all those
four wide receivers wouldn't be as good as they are
if Colorado didn't have a surefire first round pick and

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Shoulders who is having a good season twenty two hundred yards.
I think it's a nineteen to six touchdown interception ratio
in a seventy two point two completion percentage. So you
know what I'm thinking about what since said he has
to do. He's in sacked twenty five times, so that
you have to get to the quarterbacks. But then you

(01:09:19):
take linebackers out of coverage and then he just takes
underneath routes and his talented yack receivers can extend plays
and extend drives, dominate time with possession. It's just hard
for me to look at this game and see Cincinnati
coming out on top, especially in an offensive shootout. I

(01:09:40):
think they're going to have to get to short or
Sanders about four to five times, which they're averaging about
three point five to four right now, giving up three
point five to four sacks per game. And you're going
to have to get a couple of interceptions as well,
which I think he had two against Arizona last week.
And then you have to score off those turnovers, and
you have to score a touchdown on basically every red

(01:10:01):
zone trip, and you can't miss your goals. I mean,
that's not even an option. So I think Colorado is
ultimately going to come out with it. If I had
to predict it right now, I definitely wouldn't be surprised
to Cincinnati one, because they're a very good football team.
They've made a lot of plays and they've made the
necessary place in some big games. But right now, I
think it's probably going to be Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Yeah, we've seen Cincinnati get better on defense against the run.
We have yet to see if they've gotten better on
defense against the pass, and that is absolutely going to
be tested appreciated. Buddy, have a safe trip to Colorado,
Go for a hike, get some better food than Chipotle.
Go go somewhere and get some good food. They have

(01:10:44):
good food and Boulder, Oh.

Speaker 17 (01:10:47):
I'll try. Hopefully it's not forty dollars a meal.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Well, if you want, I've got a friend that lives
out there. I'll see if my friend that lives in
Boulder can take you to dinner.

Speaker 17 (01:10:56):
Okay, I would love that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Talk off air. That's gonna wrap it up. We appreciated gigs,
Keegan Nicholson, Bearcat Journal dot Com. Uh, safe travels, and
uh well we'll follow along. Hopefully the Bearcats can bring
home a win on Saturday. Thanks buddy, thank you. All right,
there you go. Let's take a break more after this.

(01:11:20):
Since that's ESPN fifteen thirty one time thinking I had
a just made myself laugh cy week games like week SQUB.

(01:11:49):
I feel like we've listened to more music today than normal,
but we haven't. We haven't been together for a while,
that's true, so it just felt right. I think I'm
back next Thursday. Halloween. Yeah, Halloween, I mean there's not
a lot of Halloween hip hop songs, is there? My
mind's playing tricks on me. Yeah, that's really about it.

(01:12:13):
Then the Jesse Jeffy Preshure Prince one. Yeah, yeah, that's
not very good though.

Speaker 13 (01:12:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Ah, we had a caller. I was getting ready to
go to him. He waited all that time. He waited
like breaking the room minutes. Sorry, my bad, my bad,
my bad. I just pulled up the thing. I was
gonna let him sing. And then when he was done singing,
I was gonna go to the caller, and the caller

(01:12:45):
was gone. Some callers have no patience. He waited seventeen
eighteen minutes. I thought he had patients. He patiently waited
while I took a caller, and then we would We
talked to Key and he waited through the commercial break.
He was there when we came back from commercial. I
guess he doesn't like Tupac and ny Dog is lost.

(01:13:09):
I agree, I agree. World Series tarn Friday Night begins.
Everybody is upset. I don't understand. We all like everybody,
what is this station? What do we listen to? Constantly?
The Reds aren't serious. The Reds don't do everything humanly

(01:13:32):
power in their possible, like grip to win baseball games.
And then the World Series is two teams that do
everything in their power to win every baseball game humanly possible.
They have the best players in the world, and we're
not interested in that. Which one is it? Yeah? Someone

(01:13:55):
works here told me that, and I damn or slapped him.
I'm not gonna watch. You don't want to see the
sport played at that maybe the highest level it's ever
been played. Shoho Tani is unbelievable. Aaron Judge is unbelievable.
They both have great pitching staffs, they both have great rosters.

(01:14:18):
What is not to love about this World Series? I
don't understand. I don't understand the like the angst that
your favorite team isn't doing everything humanly possible and then
hating the teams that do. They don't set the system.

(01:14:39):
Major League Baseball sets the system. They just play by
the rules. Do they have more money than everybody else? Yeah,
it doesn't mean they would win every year, or else
we'd see these two teams all the time. Correct? What
did most say yesterday? Was anybody busting out of their
skin to watch the Texas Rangers in the World Series
the past couple of years?

Speaker 7 (01:15:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Absolutely, Yeah, it seemed like every year nobody cared. They
didn't move the needle. They had a good team, they cheated.
Come on, you are getting the two best teams. You
are getting the biggest stars in the sport on the

(01:15:24):
same stage, competing for the championship. I love it. We
got time to do this. Tearing real quick. Yes, he
was the one that.

Speaker 17 (01:15:37):
Jake.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
What happened? Did we get disconnected?

Speaker 16 (01:15:39):
We got disconnected?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
No, it's I was just worried, like you waited a
long time and then you weren't there. I felt bad. No,
it's all good.

Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
It's the reason why I call was.

Speaker 16 (01:15:52):
Honestly, I understand most Angles fans are upset about not
making the trade. Kansas City makes a deal us recently.

Speaker 17 (01:16:00):
But if you took what.

Speaker 16 (01:16:02):
They did last year versus this year, no, Bagels fans
are like getting all but hurt right, Like they traded
for Mchole Hardman last year. Well, because his name's DeAndre Hopkins,
everybody's like, ooh ah, but what has he done this year?

Speaker 17 (01:16:17):
Absolutely really nothing.

Speaker 16 (01:16:19):
He's been hurt a lotle. He's still been kind of
relatively hurt or he's been kind of invisible. So if
you take the name right now, you're looking at his past.
He hasn't really done much Okay, but what I'm looking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
At is the franchise saying we feel like we can
get better here and then going out and doing something
about it.

Speaker 16 (01:16:38):
Now, if you're looking at it as a financial guy,
right where in the areas minus what people are willing
to give up? What kind of draft capital we really
wanted to do? Because if you're saying, hey, I want
to give rid of draft capital, if you look at
our most recent draft, short it's been a short sample size, right,

(01:16:59):
but your top four of your five picks have been significant.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Contributors, which is the first time in five years.

Speaker 16 (01:17:09):
No, what last year you have, you have five picks
that are been contributors are out of your eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Mon, we're gonna I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need your
definition of contributor.

Speaker 16 (01:17:19):
Jake, what do you consider a con Do you want
a star player or do you want to actually contribute
there's actually playing significant roles.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
A starter at minimum a starter, or somebody that's playing
like fifty plus snaps.

Speaker 16 (01:17:34):
Miles Murphy is playing at least a good significant amount
of snaps, but DJ Turner's playing significant around snaps. Charlie
Jones has been playing more of a special change.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
But he has a role.

Speaker 16 (01:17:45):
Chase Brown is now playing significant amount of snaps this year,
Andrey Yoshivas is playing significant STAPs. DJ Turner was playing
STAPs until he got hurt, so the jury's still out
with him. That's twenty twenty three. Draft twenty twenty two,
Hill played significant roles, which he is still He was
doing better this year as a corner, so I'll give

(01:18:05):
the jury still out. As a first round pick, am
Taylor Britt has had a good I would say it
overall average. I wouldn't give a sell average that Carter
was a was a whiff. Cordell Boltson has been what
you think from a fourth round pick right as a starter.
Tyson Anderson before he got hurt, he's been playing a

(01:18:28):
good I would say what thirty to forty percent of
the staff's depending what you want to do on depending
on the game of who they're playing, especially because you're
adding special teams. And then Jeff Kunter nothing doing an
air twenty twenty Twenty twenty one was the big whiff year, right,
That's the year they whiffed the most, and that's the

(01:18:50):
year where you were hoping those.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Picks would be hurtful because.

Speaker 16 (01:18:55):
The twenty twenty, the twenty twenty draft pick, Joe Burrow,
T Higgins, Logan Wilson, Gathers, even Khalik Kareem.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Well, what's the what what's Jake? What's the difference between
the twenty and twenty one draft and all the other ones?

Speaker 16 (01:19:13):
The difference on that one was they were well, actually
they're the same the draft pick. They were picking towards
the end. The twenty twenty they were picking at the beginning. Yeah,
in the twenty nineteen they were picking.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
At the beginning.

Speaker 16 (01:19:24):
Because I'll give you those ones we didn't hit. Like
the twenty nineteen, I think the only one left is
sample through sample if the only one left.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Well, so Burrow's in the Borough draft was twenty right,
the twenty twenty was Burrow you had, and then twenty
one and then twenty one was they picked fifth.

Speaker 9 (01:19:44):
Correct? So early?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Yeah, like that. Those are the difference in twenty twenty
twenty and twenty one than the other ones is they're
not bad at picking at the at the front. They're
not great at picking. They have to get a lot
better at picking in the back. You've named a lot
of guys that to the rooms are on the field.

Speaker 16 (01:20:02):
That's the first the ones they were bad at they
were at the beginning, they were worse.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Well, they got Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and T Higgins
like that, that's all the matters in those drafts.

Speaker 16 (01:20:13):
Yes, that was the ones there and then you go
Chase Jamar Chase. That was the big hit, right, But
you're got to look at the overall.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Do you got three of the best players in the
in the NFL. You hit, you won the draft.

Speaker 16 (01:20:27):
And Miles Murphy is that we don't know if he's
gonna be He's looking like more a solid piece now.
The only thing that we still don't know is what
is any of these going to be the quote star.

Speaker 13 (01:20:41):
But I think they're hitting them.

Speaker 16 (01:20:43):
We just haven't got the star.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I think we have a different uh. I think there
are guys that play because they have to play, they
were drafted to play. I don't know that any of them.
I look at and think those guys are the lynch
pins to to helping lead this team to a super Bowl.
Unfortunately we're up against it. I wish we would have
had I wish we would have not got disconnected, so
we would have had a couple extra minutes but I

(01:21:07):
just disagree somewhe Jake on what what constitutes a guy
that is is that of that type of value? Miles Murphy,
I mean, what has he done so far? That's all.
Let's take a break more after this since a he's
ESPN fifteen thirty hour number three coming up.

Speaker 11 (01:21:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Number three a partial hour as Kentucky Basketball gets set
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they got a ninety minute pre in show for a scrimmage.

(01:22:05):
Good for them, I guess, more power to them. But
but we got to get rolling here because we got
Richard Skinner coming up here in.

Speaker 5 (01:22:12):
About uh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
About ten minutes or so, and uh, that's taking us
to the end of the show. So that means, Tarren,
we're gonna have to power through this segment because Skinny
and I like to talk, and I think we had
a lot to talk about. So let's get it moving. Cincinnati, Colorado.
What is your interest level, Tarran in Scott Sanderfield's crew

(01:22:35):
going out and taking on the buffs. Oh, I'm very interesting.
I'm very interested in this game.

Speaker 15 (01:22:39):
Will you be up beautiful in the game eligibility at
the beginning of the year, I have told you you're crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Yeah, I mean neither. The hopes weren't high for either,
I guess is a good way to say it, especially
to be trying to get Bowl eligible like a you know,
with with time to spare before Halloween.

Speaker 15 (01:22:56):
Correct, have you watched much? I'll watch majority of the
game this year. Yes, what's your take? Yeah, I get
pressure on your door.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah. When he's been hit, when he's been sacked, that
offense has not looked the same. And the thing is
you got to bring him down. Like I said earlier
in the show, he is a mobile quarterback, but he
is not looking to run. He is looking to create time,
create space, and then his wide receivers are going to
keep moving. They are going to keep working for the football,

(01:23:30):
and he does a great job keeping his eyes downfield
and making a play. You gotta get him down. Like
if they do this thing that they've done in the past,
or they get close, or they play touch football and
they don't play tackle football, Shador will eat you up
and he will throw for three hundred and fifty plus yards. Yes,
And I'm honestly we're not worried about.

Speaker 15 (01:23:52):
I wonder how much coach Prime will how many more minutes, like,
well he put on Travis Hunter with him having injuries, how.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Much yeah he plays? Will we play? That's a great
I mean, I think the I think offensively obviously probably
creates the most issues, like the most chance that he's
gonna be hurt. But you know, I think he could,
he could, He could do some damage to Cincinnati secondary.

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The difference being they also have three more wide receivers
that are really really good. But if you put him
on Xavier Henderson, that's Brendon Soarsby's guy, that's who he
loves to go to, Travis Hunter if he's if he's
able to take out Xavier Henderson, Soresby's gonna gonna have
to you know, Royer and Jamoy Mays and Tony Johnson,

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those guys are all gonna have to have huge games. Yes,
I agree. Unfortunately, I think it's probably gonna be Colorado
in a game played in the early the low thirties,
low to mid thirties.

Speaker 15 (01:24:55):
Yeah, No, I don't see UC Stevens be able to
contain an offense for sixty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Yeah, I think that's my that's my concern what you
take on Brownie, Tony and Austin were very upset about
it earlier today, a lot of people upset about it.
I look, I it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 15 (01:25:13):
I mean at first, when I mean when he got drafted,
I mean I had a big deal of it, But
like after like seeing last night, I honestly I would
would rather them treated like a senior night, just have
him start the game, play like five minutes and didn't
get him out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Yeah, I mean it worked out for them because they
the game wasn't really in question in the final three minutes, right, like,
so they were able to get him in and and
and low risk, high reward. Look, man, you want to
you want to enjoy the benefits of being able to
do things like this, be one of the best to
ever do. Whatever it is that you do, correct, and
then you know, you get to you get to to

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enjoy it. I will say, tarn and I look, I
know this is not the same, But over the past
year and a half, Kelsey has uh very much in
joy going to work with Dad and now becoming part
of work with you know, she's been taking pictures. I'll
show you a couple of pictures in the break that
she took at the uc Ohio State game. She's really

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good at it and being able to share that and
being able to do that and you know, having those
conversations on the way home or like you know, her
going through and editing the pictures and getting them ready
for the website and being proud of the work that
she's done. Like that stuff is really cool, man, Yep,
it's really cool. And you know, I don't begrudge bron

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He held on a long time for this, right and
that looked and looked amazing last night. Yeah, I mean
he's you know, if this is if this is motivating him,
which it very well might be, then hell yeah, keep
the kid around, leave him on the bench. Like you
get fifteen guys and you play like eight or nine
of them. Like if it helps do what you gotta do,
it doesn't bother me. It really doesn't get over it, everybody.

(01:26:58):
I mean, he'll be in Julie Guliu, Yeah, uleasson start.
So of course, all right, let's take a break Richard
Skinner to close things out. We'll get his opinions on
whether he thinks Kentucky will win tonight or if it'll
be Kentucky. Well, no, definitely Kentucky Wesley. Oh okay, never
mind Kentucky Westlan. It's a it's an exhibition game, then yeah, wow,

(01:27:21):
that's not as exciting. Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Damn, it feels good to be a gangster speaking of
welcome in from Local twelve. An original gangster in the
Cincinnati sports scene. My good friend Richard Skinner, skinny, how's
it going?

Speaker 13 (01:28:00):
Maybe an original one man, But I feel like I'm
one of those guys at the end of the rope
who's just about to say, can I get to the
witness protection portion of this? Just get out?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
That's outstanding? I love it. I love it. Do people
have a right to let's just get right into it?
Do people have a right to be upset that everybody
else in the AFC looks to be making moves and
trying to improve and the Bengals do not seem to
be doing the same.

Speaker 13 (01:28:28):
Sure, I mean, you got a right to be upset,
but but if you know them of this organization, there
is nothing to get upset about because they just don't
do it.

Speaker 7 (01:28:35):
Whether that's.

Speaker 13 (01:28:37):
I didn't say it made it okay, but again I don't.
I don't threat that's funny. We're talking to standful to
talk about that today of you know, people that are
proposing trades and whoa they need to make this trade
and not trade. It's all well and good, but it's
not going to happen. You're just beating your head against
the walls. So I do also think part of me says,
I have to look at, honest the empirical evidence to

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see what team's been fit from that and what teams
don't like Frisco benefited greatly from Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey, Yeah, no, no, right,
but week one of the Devonte Adams trade to the
Jets that didn't you know it has a workout so good. Again,
it's only week one, so I think I need to
see proof of how much of those are successful, how

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much of those compromise you're moving forward in the future,
And I think it's probably split fifty fifty. But I mean,
I don't fretd it here honestly care to that point
because they just don't do it. So there's no reason
too threaded. I get nobody got a right to what
they want and what they believe, and that's all well
and good, but I'm not gonna be my head against
the wall for a franchise.

Speaker 16 (01:29:36):
It just doesn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Yeah. I think the thing that maybe becomes frustrating to
Bengals fans is it made sense not to do it
for the longest time, because really it was something that
nobody did. But over the last two to three years
it seems much more prominent that it's becoming like baseball,
right those teams that that have decided that it's not
their year there, they're not gonna win, they've got pieces

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that they want a jettison. Uh, and then the teams
that are trying to win look and say, okay, well
we need this or we need that, and that is
I guess the difference is for many, many years, it
just wasn't something that was done and that has changed.

Speaker 13 (01:30:16):
Yeah, and I think there's some truth to that too.

Speaker 7 (01:30:18):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:30:20):
At the same time, is the part you're getting going
to be integrated in your team quickly?

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Sure?

Speaker 13 (01:30:27):
Yeah, And I know listen, everybody's now in the Cooper
cup train, right of all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Of that give me a defensive end if they go
do something, I guess.

Speaker 13 (01:30:35):
But here's the other part to that. And I've heard
people say that same point. But you know, you got
two starters you believe in Trey Henderson and Sam Hubbard,
and you got two draft picks that you believe in,
Miles Murphy and Joseph o Science. So I get it
in theory. But if you believe in those guys, are
you making a deal to make a deal. I don't
know that you are. It may it may be you say,
improve you, but then what does it do to a

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Miles Murphy who you're trying to get snaps for. What
does it do for a Joseph's side is coming off
of a nice game. So I think you get to
weigh all of those things. I understand that the flashy
pass rusher may look like great on paper. But if
you guy guys you're believe in, you'll roll with your guys.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Yeah, I think they maybe they believe a little like
you know, the Never Ending Story is a good book.
That doesn't mean I believe it.

Speaker 13 (01:31:18):
Good point. I just go back to it's just when
it's something there, it's not there.

Speaker 11 (01:31:24):
I I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Agree, uh, Philly, this weekend defense is playing really well
after a little bit of a rough start. Explosive offense,
great back like this is as but Jones would say
this one's a great challenge for the Bengals.

Speaker 11 (01:31:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:31:42):
And I try to ask Luay and a Runo in
a very thoughtful way. I guess, of hell, you played
too crappy offenses and your defense look good. But did
you see the signs of progress that you wanted?

Speaker 9 (01:31:52):
And he said he did.

Speaker 13 (01:31:53):
But I think you understands where I was coming from
with the question, because the last two offenses that they
played are not very good until he is a good offer.
And so I think this is a great test of
how far have you come have you? Are you still
at the level of the Baltimore game where you're still
capable of giving up forty one points in a bunch
of yards? Are you somewhere in the middle of that
game in the last two weeks because your defense did

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play better, but you have the caveat of the Giants
offense sucks and the Cleveland offense sucks, so it's hard
to gage both. Now back to your point about Philly,
and they are playing better and they are talented, right,
I mean, Bacon Barkley's a talent, Dalen Hurts is a
Talent's two wide receivers a talent. The Dallas Goddards talent.
Lane Johnson's a great offensive lineman. That's just on the
offense alone, let alone the defense. You know, their last

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two opponents back to back in reverse fashion with the
Browns and the Giants, and they look like they dominated
both and they probably should have. But at the same time,
where those dominant performances because Philly's playing better or because
they played like the Bengals, they played the Browns and
the Giants. So it's a weird. It's a weird thing
to look at at at how the last two weeks
of shaped up for both teams.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
What do they do got to do to get this
offense kind of clicking again? One, you know, not play
maybe the two best defensive fronts in the NFL, or
certainly two of the top defensive fronts in the NFL
will help.

Speaker 13 (01:33:12):
Well, that's a big part of it. I mean, you know, listen,
the Giants. The Giants don't have a lot of wheel
on their team, but that front was real in person, Chad.
They they really flash and the Browns defense has guys
that I feel what they're their back end is really
really good, not just Joe Hayden, but that entire back end.
I mean, they're really sticky in coverage, and you marry
that up with Miles Gere and other guys, and you know,

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their defense has actually played at a pretty good level,
especially when you consider their offense is done next to
nothing that they have a chance and really the defense
is always compromised each and every game. So yeah, I mean,
this is this is this is a really really good
team they're playing and and you know, in order to
get this win and get this offense un track, I
think it's it's just kind of stick with what you're

(01:33:55):
doing and hope to pop something. I mean, you know,
they left three points on the field with McPherson's this
field they you know, they got to a spot where
they rant it on a third and seven and probably
pass it range, maybe trying to settle for a field goal.
They ended up having the punt in the Giants game.
They left points on the field when Zach moss Foot
lost to fumble at the Giants twenty five, so they've

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also left some points on the field too, And you
know those are not games you're getting in the thirties in,
and you're probably not getting in the thirties in this game.
Can he get in the mid twenties? And can your
defense do it enough against the best offensives faced in
three weeks to keep them somewhere in the twenties to
allow you to win.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Let's switch over real quick. We're up against it at
the bottom of the hours skinning because Kentucky is playing
Kentucky Wesleyan tonight. Are you reinvigorated in the Big Blue?
Are you back on the train?

Speaker 10 (01:34:45):
I am.

Speaker 13 (01:34:46):
I at least get a chance to root again for
the first time in about fifteen years as a grad
because I do like what Mark Pope is doing and
I think it's it's fun. It's gonna be fun to watch.
But there's gonna be some growing pains, man, There's gonna
be something. There's gonna be some six for thirty four
from three point range, and there's gonna be eighteen for
forties from three point range some nights. Depends on how

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those come, and when those come is what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
You see Pommels Ohio State Xavier beats the crap out
of Dayton. It's been a while since these two programs
have both been up. They feel like they're trending significantly up.

Speaker 13 (01:35:23):
Yeah, no question, And I think that's gonna make for
a really fun winner in the city for sure, and
obviously with the northern Kentucky fan based across the river
with Kentucky fans, it really should be a fun, fun season.
And you know, I don't know how good Dayton is,
I don't know how good Ohio State is, but it's
still two good wins and exhibition games for both programs
because you've got individual guys playing well in both of

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those games too.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Yeah, And I think both teams are really talented and
coached well, and it's going to be an exciting like
twenty seventeen. Eighteen was really I think the last time
both had a reason to be excited. Can Cincinnati go
into Boulder and eat Colorado?

Speaker 13 (01:36:02):
Jimmy, Yes, I would tell you this though in the
last three or four weeks my narrative on Colorado's change,
I mean I thought it was better. Yeah, Ei, They're
playing a whole lot better, especially on the defensive front.
That's been really good. And and you know, you got
the quarterback and you got a you know, the unicorn
to go with it. But it's been not just those guys.
It's been this this whole team, especially on that defensive front.

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At least a great opportunity for UC to maybe go
steal this win.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
How how far into that game do you? Do you
make it to kick off? Do you make it to
wear do you make it to kick off.

Speaker 13 (01:36:37):
On Saturday night? Man, I'm hoping she had to make
it to halftime. If I can make it to halftime
is good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
I'll be proud of you.

Speaker 17 (01:36:45):
Stay awake.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
I'll be proud of you if you make it the halftime.

Speaker 13 (01:36:49):
Thanks, We'll see how that goes. Ten fifteen kickoff.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Brother, I'm gonna have to do a post game show
at like two and then be back up for a
Sunday morning wrap up show at like nine. Be a
lot of fun and then a nap. All right, brother?

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Thanks? Man?

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Richard Skinner Local twelve, real quick. I've only got like
a minute, Mike, but I wanted to say Hi Mike
in La, what's up my friend? It's been a long time,
and I just wanted to say hello.

Speaker 9 (01:37:17):
Oh, I'm very appreciative, Chad. Things are looking really bad,
but we don't want to talk about huh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Well, Mike, I wanted to make sure I got to
hear your voice.

Speaker 11 (01:37:26):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:37:26):
I appreciate that. Chid meingo us me your voice means
go up.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
To me by.

Speaker 9 (01:37:32):
ESPN or fifteen thirty. Has really helped me a lot
get through these days. So I'm thankful to all of
you guys. And I don't give a rip about football
right now because the Dodgers and the Yankees, the classic
I was hoping for is coming up. So Mike, to
hear your voice, I hope your family is will and you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Take care of my dear dear friend, Mike, I appreciate it,
and just for you, I'll be rooting for the Dodgers.

Speaker 9 (01:37:57):
God bless you many. He hit me with something, kid,
hit me with something. Kids really like hip hop. I
don't care what it is, just hit me with it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
He's got it right now. I love this tune. Thank you, brother,
Thanks Mike, appreciate it. Be well, brother, All right, there
we go. I hate to hear that.

Speaker 7 (01:38:16):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
I wasn't gonna let the show end without at least
saying hi, that's gonna wrap it up. Will be back tomorrow.
I'll be on tomorrow at three forty five. Since he's
ESPN fifteen thirty. When you're alone, it gets mad.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
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