November 5, 2024 • 21 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss the Cincinnati Bengals, their trade deadline activity, Joe Burrow's postgame mood, Jermaine Burton, and Erick All.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big skid touchdown pass number five for Chobo.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Joe Borrow hits Bengals Rorenton M and T. Banks Stadium.
Just slug it out with Lamar Jackson and the ratings back.
All the Orange and Black are out too, of ends,
they're overtime lost to Baltimore in week five. Heck, prepare
for a fourth quarter AFC North Slammer.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Knocker Poppindale, I am Bam Bank.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's the ball from Dangerous Dan Hood and Mighty Day.
Coverage begins Thursday at three on ESPN fifty thirty, the
official home of the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
SAW six after four ESBI fifteen thirty and as Mercall
Eggert broadcasting from Buffalo Wild Wings.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I said, Buffalo Wild Winds.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
And any Kenna wins.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We're here till six o'clock tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
We we've got prizes, We've got that Bengals cooler thanks
to bud Light. We've got bud Light talls. We've got
buy one, get one half off Traditional Wings. We're having
a blast. It doesn't get any better. Buffalo Wild Winds,
Kenwood very easy to get to. I have watched a
Bearcat basketball game here, although it didn't it didn't go well.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And it wasn't that the game won poorly.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
It's that the guy that I was with got into
a fight, and so you know, I mean that sort
of stuff sometimes happens.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
It was kind of his fault. We don't hang out
anymore again, have.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Like people like that at Buffalo Wild wins. So come
on out, no fights to be ahead here at beat Ups.
We're here till six o'clock. Come on out and spend
some time with us. Our guy, Paul Danner Junior very busy.
I just tweeted out not only that he was going
to be on, but he has five mid season predictions
for the Bengals as they get set to go to
Baltimore on Thursday. And of course, he has been monitoring
(01:39):
any and all trade deadline activity, including the Bengals parting
with a seventh round pick for Khalil.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Herbert from the Chicago Bears. Paul is with us now, Hi, Paul, Hey,
what's going on though? How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm glad I was able to catch the tail end
of the story. Times had drinks inside of this Buffalo
Wild wins.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, I watched a UC game here and I was
with a guy that we really weren't very close friends,
and he wanted to fight people, and I don't. I
don't have time in my life to for for folks
who want to pick fights.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No, no, you don't want to. We're passised and we
don't have the energy for it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Don't have the energy for fights. That's right. Well, I
wish you were here, but I I know you've been busy. Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You did, in your your list of mid season predictions
predict the Bengals would trade for a running back, and
so you nailed that one.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Congratulations, one for one, four more to go.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'll take you. It's good to check that one off
real quick. I mean, I don't think you had to
be a genius or what miss Cleo right for our
older listeners, right, you don't have to be that smart
to understand that, Uh, they really didn't have any options.
I mean, well, I guess you directly into the ground
(02:59):
and see if you can survive, or you know, go
find somebody else that people are willing to give up
for a seventh round pick. This one was a fairly
easy decision and one that really hit desperation mode on
Friday when the Zach Boston, I mean they were already
saying and running back conversation seeing what was out there
(03:19):
before the Moss injury, and that kind of pushed it
over the top. But as you know, Mo, he simple
cakes for this.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Team to get a deal done.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Pure crazy desperation is usually the only thing that ends
up making deals happen around here, and that proved to
be the case again.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Is he gonna play Thursday? You know, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
With us just recently just kind of said that maybe
it's possible because if there's anything that he needs to know,
he can just look over to his right and say, hey,
run that way, and he can do that. And so
there's a little bit of an advantage just in the
fact that Joe would be right next to him for
the vast majority of any of the calls. I mean,
(04:02):
I think it's certainly possible. They've got him in the
playbook now, so they need bodies, and he's a body.
And here's here's what I like about him. Uh One
is he's not some older or washed up player. He
was super explosive last year. He has had this entire
year to just get mad, just be mad that he's
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not playing, be pissed at the situation. And now he
gets a new spot where he can come out and
play and you know, a contract year, trying to play
for the biggest contract of his entire life. Uh, he's
gonna come out and be really mad and run hard
and feel like you're gonna get the best of him
for a couple of months here. It's really as good
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as you could ask for. Would you consider the situation
that they were in and what they needed.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
If the requirement to be traded at the Bengals is
to be mad, I know a lot of folks that
this team would be interested in.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, they've got a lot of folks employee that have
gone through that as well, So yeah, uh, maybe it
just fits right in that way.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
So they trade for a running back, which they needed,
they don't trade for any defensive help. And I know
this is this is unsurprising, but but there has been
reporting done that they were at least interested. Any idea
as to how close they may have come to adding help,
specifically on the defensive line.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean it was never an idea that they
wouldn't make calls. I mean they're gonna always make calls
and be in on these conversations. It's just look over
any type of player that there's more than one team
with any interest.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They're just not gonna give up. They're not gonna win
bidding wars. They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
They don't. They never have. There's a reason they've gone
this long without really making any trades because they just
it's just when it comes down to it, when it's
two or three teams over one thing, they're just not
going to.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Give up whatever it is. And that's part of.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
The downfall what their trade deadlines have been in the past.
They've just been unable to finish these deals, and unless
they were in a situation where they were truly desperately motivated,
was the only way they got it done. Now, I
don't know what happened in the last twenty thirty minutes.
They were making calls, they were interested, but you know,
I was told multiple times like, don't hold your breath.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
There's not there's not a desperation.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
On some of this stuff. And maybe there should be,
and maybe you look at this roster and say there
should be, and I'm and maybe it kicked up more
in the last second, but I don't get the impression
that it was ever reaching that level of like ago
we're in the mix fighting nowt with this other team specifically,
they were in conversations, absolutely, but I certainly don't get
(06:49):
the impression that that they were willing to go that
extra level, which by the way, isn't.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
That much when you consider what was being.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Exchanged draft pickwise, But they weren't gonna be willing to
give up a sixth and a seventh round pick, I
guess to acquire one extra player.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So I think that speaks to the frustration that a
lot of people feel with maybe specifically this year at
the deadline, and again they did something because they had
to do something at running back, but like you know,
you wrote about it last week, there's capital that they
don't want to give up because they've they've got to
rebuild this defense, right They've they've next year's draft is
(07:27):
really important for this team. But if you look at
the rest of the league, nobody's giving up you know,
Day one or many Day two picks in order to
get incrementally better. And so the cost that they would
have had to incur to make at least a slight
upgrade to some position on defense, I think for most
people would have been worth it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We talked about this team getting into bidding wars.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You know, I don't know that most folks believe that
at the end of that bidding war, the Bengals would
have parted with a lot of precious, valuable draft capital instead,
it would have kind of what the rest of the
NFL is giving up in exchange for the established players.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, I do not disagree on that, and you know
that if that's very true, I don't. I don't think
there's anything this is a problem, Like you have to
you can't value late round picks this much that you're
not going to take a shot to try to help
this year's team win, but if you don't feel like
the upgrade is worth enough over who you have, because
(08:28):
I think that's also the combination of this, right is
potentially either valuing or overvaluing their own players that can
come in and fix what's wrong and get better and progress,
which they are counting on that. I mean, no one
player was going to show up here and all of
a sudden, the Bengals defense doesn't really stink against good
teams like that's who they are right now. I think
(08:51):
it's a combination of that and the extreme valuing of
every level of draft picks that they have. I mean,
it's how they get to the spot of never really
making trades.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Is that those two factors is just the absolute valuing
of the people that they have to fix problems already
being in house, and the you know, holding the gold
the gold nuggets that are six and seventh round draft ficks.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
In your hands and never really wanting to really puish them.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Paul Danner Jr.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
With us covering the Bengals Fortheathletic dot Com as well
as the Growler Podcast. Latest episode recorded this morning is
out Balds Don't Lie. I wanna quickly fling the conversation
back to Khalil Herbert. He is learning the playbook right now.
Who do you think right now knows more about the
Bengals playbook?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Him or Jermaine Burton.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, I mean that's a that's a hard one to say.
I mean, he's got it out. He might have an
hour up on him already today. Uh yeah, I mean
he certainly, he's certainly could be up to speed really quick. Well,
I guess it would be telling if he's out there
playing out running outside receiver routes and go balls. He's
taking over the number eighty one role.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, I'm sure he is a player, you know I
said before, relative to what he's brought to the team.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
We talk about him way too much. But but like
that was a story this weekend, right.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
He doesn't show for walkthrough, doesn't show for practice on Saturday,
and with this golden opportunity in front of him, instead,
he doesn't play in the game on Sunday. You know,
he's got to win back his teammates, some of whom
called him out. I'm sure he's got to win back
the trust of people on the coaching staff. It just
(10:41):
it feels like this isn't impossible for him. But I
don't know, And you could speak to this better than most,
Like are we are we getting close to a point
of no return for him?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
No? I don't think so. I mean there's plenty of
time to you know, let him sit in the background
and learn and figure things out. I mean it could
be years. I mean nobody wants that. But I mean
this team will give you every chance even if it
goes wrong. I mean, we saw you. Jackson Carmen struggled
every single year here, and he hung around till his
(11:17):
fourth year. When when to pick on you. They give
you every chance, you know, and and it's key separate situations.
And I actually I'm hesitant to even compare the two,
but they're similar in the positions and and and and
you know, high talented potential receivers to Chris Henry, you know,
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from fifteen years ago, right, it was just continue to
bet on if, but win the switch Flipps on this
guy when it comes along. And then you see the moments, right,
and you just feel like you're willing to go through
it because you want to be the one that's there
when he comes out the other side. And this one
is different in what you're dealing with, but it's also
(11:58):
it is it's young persons stuff that he's trying to
figure out.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
And they do sound very willing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
To be patient. And this organization is known for a
long time to be very be patient with this stuff,
and there they may need to be because it could
be I don't think this feels like a short term
project where all of a sudden the trust is back
and he's gonna go out there and send the snappy
for him on Thursday. I think it's at square one,
(12:27):
long road, burning the trust back of your teammates before
you can ever start building any portion of him around
him at this.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But but you know what is different is the quarterback
that I saw at the podium on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that what Joe Burrow
has done over the last couple of days here, and
whether we're talking about the breaking it up in the
locker room and you heard those things that were said
and or with the.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Hidden demeanor on the sideline or what he said at
the video, it feels like it could be a moment
that this team needed. And we were just in there
and he just talked about how he understands and that
people have told him how much people do feed off
of his emotion, his gy and how it wouldn't feel
(13:20):
authentic if when, yeah, you're you're getting more of the positive,
you're also going to get more than negative when you're
feeding off of that. And that's what this team needs
and he's kind of regnizing that, and that's something we
heard him talk about earlier in the season. We wondered
when his leadership is going to take a step, when
he was going to have his like Tom Brady Turner, right,
He's going to become the angry Tom Brady, and I
(13:40):
think the fact that he had hes just what this
team needs right now. They have felt like a team
kind of slayed enough purpose.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
This year, and maybe this is it.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Maybe this is the the big Books moment that you
remember from mid season a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh,
or any number that they've had along the way usually
does have to come from number nine. So perhaps not
tolerating a five touchdown dominating perform and being mad and
telling everyone as much immediately in the Aftermack is the
(14:13):
moment that snaps this team to start playing more as
a team and to their potential. And that will depend
on the result that happens in Baltimore, because everything will
feel different if what was said and done after the
Raiders game leads to them getting their first kind of
signature win and suddenly sitting there back to five hundred
(14:34):
right in the middle of the race and having just
taken down the Ravens in their house, a suddenly the
season feels like it's all the way back on.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
There was so much stuff that happened on Sunday that
the Eric All thing kind of became a bit of
a footnote, and I hated for him because it's it's
a second consecutive year with the season ending knee injury.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I hated for the team, And like, I.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Know, it's easy to say, well, they're not a good
running team to begin with, so big deal. And Mika
Sicki's had back to back productive game, so big deal.
But you put this on social media and I'm not
sure it's really been tapped into that's that's a that's
a look. Every injury sucks. It really sucks for a
young guy who was, you know, really look like he
fit in, really looked like he had a bright future
(15:21):
and and hopefully he can still you know, be what
we thought he was gonna gonna be. But for this
team this year, he was vital, and he was vital
vital specifically for the way they want to play. Can
can you sort of expand on that for me?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I mean, they changed who they have been since the
moment Zach Taylor walked in the door. They have been
the kings of eleven personnel. I mean they've led to
them in the rams, have goen neck and neck for
who runs the most eleven personnel, like it's a competition.
They're so far above everybody else in the league, and
one guy, and and and this, the seeds of this
(15:58):
were planned as soon as he started participate in camp,
particularly in the full padded practices. One guy opened eyes
and made them start saying, time to get to work
on the twelve personnel package. He changes everything, and you
saw it. They came out there and they couldn't move
the ball in the opener, Mo couldn't do it. What happened?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
When did they move it?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
They put in Eric All with Drew's sample, and they
pounded the twelve personnel run game, moved down the field
and got touched on. And so they said more of that,
and then they did it. Now he's moving from every direction.
Now they're using the motions, and he's he's cracking from
the side, he's playing fullback, he's out there touching balls
up the seam, and he's got explosives outside. He's doing
(16:38):
absolutely everything, and every week they keep complimenting him and
building more into the those packages. Everything that involves him
is something new, it's something different. It's something that's more
window dressing to make the defense think about. And it
made them more physical and tougher. And now you got
to take that away. Everything you built, you know, you
(16:59):
can do those types of things, some of them Withdrew Sample,
but the flexibility that all gave you really made them
so much more versatile. And it's kind of been the
seam of their offense this year, is that the was
the evolution of them in terms of versatility and doing
different things and using different packages. You take really the
key portion of the versatility away when you take Eric
(17:22):
all the way, and I'm really curious to see how
they deal with it, because they're much easier to pinpoint
who they are and what they're trying to do when
it's only Drew Sample out there or when it's only
Mike Yasicki out there. They just become much easier to predict.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Have you ever warned pajamas to work?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
No, I don't think so, maybe like a pajama day.
I think at one point in one place I work,
You know, I worked in Key Wes.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
It was pretty.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Lax, all right, So back in the day you could
roll in. There was really no code that anyone followed
there outside of could you try to not be too
drunk at work? Right, was kind of the Key West code.
And I never dealt with that, but that I never
even came in in pajamas even down there, I I
(18:13):
I can't say that I can quite be on the
same page, but you know what I commend. I commend
the bresh. You know, look, I'm here he had and
I think everybody had to say, you're right, it probably is.
That's probably we're at with it. We're okay with this here.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah. Uh, you know, I just if I was him,
i'd really lean into it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Get some like adult foot of pajamas, maybe call since
he shirts they've had those, and just kind of you know,
I mean just that that could be his thing.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Mo.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I gotta say, though, while we're on this topic, what
are the odds? But I would actually love to talk
to the producer that or the camera guy that caught
this to get the shot of angry Joe Burrow and
truly his angriest after a touch down while leading by
a million point space, like to catch that moment and
(19:04):
to then see here coaster Maine Burton bopping along, smiling,
being goofy right in front of him, like you had
to turn to somebody and be like, no way anybody
else that Am I the only one that saw that?
Did we really just catch that? I mean you can't
sum up an entire situation with nuance and details and
days and weeks of background better than you could in
(19:26):
that one shot here it is.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
That's the situation right there. It was incredible. When so
they're gonna be on in season Hard Knocks? Are they
filming now?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Is that? Because?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
My my first thought was if, because I don't know
if they've been on board filming doing stuff and they're
gonna show it in December, but if if the Jermaine
Burton situation has been captured by that crew, then Hard
Knocks is gonna be even better then I thought it
was gonna be.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And I'm already a huge fan.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
How great would that be if they're like we Jermaine
micd up on that Saturday and they just sat there
outside of his place waiting for him to come out
and he just never did.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
That's the episode. The episode is just devastating.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
They're waiting for him to come out of the door,
not doing it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, they're around. There are a lot of cameras around
right now that are unfamiliar and people that are unfamiliar
right now, so it's hard to keep track of it
all because we have Amazon and NFL films, and we
have I'm sure the hard Knock. I don't know. Some
of them are hard knocks, as they do bos. It's
very hard to keep track of what's happening right now
when you have four of the next six games in
(20:37):
primetime and an HBO documentary all on tech. There's just
a lot of uh focus on this team right now
from a media perspective.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, understandably. So all right, man, I know you have
work to do. I do appreciate it as always. Well,
we'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'll wear for jama next week.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Okay, dude, I'm work in radio, so like I'm basically
where pajamas every day, and so does everybody else.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So, I mean, you know, if football doesn't work out.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
For Germaine, perhaps there's a future in in non television
broadcasting for him that.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
We could we can help him with. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'll leave I'll leave that alone, though.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You have a good day. Did he go from.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Paul Danner Junior from the Athletic Go to get his
work at the Athletic dot Com. He does have his
five mid season predictions for the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
One has already come true. We'll see if the other
four do.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Go read it at the Athletic End Catches podcast The Growler,
which I was a part of today. It is available,
as we say, where you get your podcast. Our buddy
Sean Saide is going to join us at five twenty
today where a Buffalo wild Wings in Kenwood on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Cincinnati's
Big skid touchdown pass number five for Chobo.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Joe Borrow hits Bengals Rorenton M and T. Banks Stadium.
Just slug it out with Lamar Jackson and the ratings back.
All the Orange and Black are out too, of ends,
they're overtime lost to Baltimore in week five. Heck, prepare
for a fourth quarter AFC North Slammer.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Knocker Poppindale, I am Bam Bank.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's the ball from Dangerous Dan Hood and Mighty Day.
Coverage begins Thursday at three on ESPN fifty thirty, the
official home of the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
SAW six after four ESBI fifteen thirty and as Mercall
Eggert broadcasting from Buffalo Wild Wings.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I said, Buffalo Wild Winds.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
And any Kenna wins.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We're here till six o'clock tonight.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
We we've got prizes, We've got that Bengals cooler thanks
to bud Light. We've got bud Light talls. We've got
buy one, get one half off Traditional Wings. We're having
a blast. It doesn't get any better. Buffalo Wild Winds,
Kenwood very easy to get to. I have watched a
Bearcat basketball game here, although it didn't it didn't go well.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And it wasn't that the game won poorly.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
It's that the guy that I was with got into
a fight, and so you know, I mean that sort
of stuff sometimes happens.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
It was kind of his fault. We don't hang out
anymore again, have.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Like people like that at Buffalo Wild wins. So come
on out, no fights to be ahead here at beat Ups.
We're here till six o'clock. Come on out and spend
some time with us. Our guy, Paul Danner Junior very busy.
I just tweeted out not only that he was going
to be on, but he has five mid season predictions
for the Bengals as they get set to go to
Baltimore on Thursday. And of course, he has been monitoring
(01:39):
any and all trade deadline activity, including the Bengals parting
with a seventh round pick for Khalil.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Herbert from the Chicago Bears. Paul is with us now, Hi, Paul, Hey,
what's going on though? How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm glad I was able to catch the tail end
of the story. Times had drinks inside of this Buffalo
Wild wins.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, I watched a UC game here and I was
with a guy that we really weren't very close friends,
and he wanted to fight people, and I don't. I
don't have time in my life to for for folks
who want to pick fights.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No, no, you don't want to. We're passised and we
don't have the energy for it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Don't have the energy for fights. That's right. Well, I
wish you were here, but I I know you've been busy. Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You did, in your your list of mid season predictions
predict the Bengals would trade for a running back, and
so you nailed that one.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Congratulations, one for one, four more to go.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'll take you. It's good to check that one off
real quick. I mean, I don't think you had to
be a genius or what miss Cleo right for our
older listeners, right, you don't have to be that smart
to understand that, Uh, they really didn't have any options.
I mean, well, I guess you directly into the ground
(02:59):
and see if you can survive, or you know, go
find somebody else that people are willing to give up
for a seventh round pick. This one was a fairly
easy decision and one that really hit desperation mode on
Friday when the Zach Boston, I mean they were already
saying and running back conversation seeing what was out there
(03:19):
before the Moss injury, and that kind of pushed it
over the top. But as you know, Mo, he simple
cakes for this.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Team to get a deal done.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Pure crazy desperation is usually the only thing that ends
up making deals happen around here, and that proved to
be the case again.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Is he gonna play Thursday? You know, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
With us just recently just kind of said that maybe
it's possible because if there's anything that he needs to know,
he can just look over to his right and say, hey,
run that way, and he can do that. And so
there's a little bit of an advantage just in the
fact that Joe would be right next to him for
the vast majority of any of the calls. I mean,
(04:02):
I think it's certainly possible. They've got him in the
playbook now, so they need bodies, and he's a body.
And here's here's what I like about him. Uh One
is he's not some older or washed up player. He
was super explosive last year. He has had this entire
year to just get mad, just be mad that he's
(04:24):
not playing, be pissed at the situation. And now he
gets a new spot where he can come out and
play and you know, a contract year, trying to play
for the biggest contract of his entire life. Uh, he's
gonna come out and be really mad and run hard
and feel like you're gonna get the best of him
for a couple of months here. It's really as good
(04:44):
as you could ask for. Would you consider the situation
that they were in and what they needed.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
If the requirement to be traded at the Bengals is
to be mad, I know a lot of folks that
this team would be interested in.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, they've got a lot of folks employee that have
gone through that as well, So yeah, uh, maybe it
just fits right in that way.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
So they trade for a running back, which they needed,
they don't trade for any defensive help. And I know
this is this is unsurprising, but but there has been
reporting done that they were at least interested. Any idea
as to how close they may have come to adding help,
specifically on the defensive line.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean it was never an idea that they
wouldn't make calls. I mean they're gonna always make calls
and be in on these conversations. It's just look over
any type of player that there's more than one team
with any interest.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
They're just not gonna give up. They're not gonna win
bidding wars. They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
They don't. They never have. There's a reason they've gone
this long without really making any trades because they just
it's just when it comes down to it, when it's
two or three teams over one thing, they're just not
going to.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Give up whatever it is. And that's part of.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
The downfall what their trade deadlines have been in the past.
They've just been unable to finish these deals, and unless
they were in a situation where they were truly desperately motivated,
was the only way they got it done. Now, I
don't know what happened in the last twenty thirty minutes.
They were making calls, they were interested, but you know,
I was told multiple times like, don't hold your breath.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
There's not there's not a desperation.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
On some of this stuff. And maybe there should be,
and maybe you look at this roster and say there
should be, and I'm and maybe it kicked up more
in the last second, but I don't get the impression
that it was ever reaching that level of like ago
we're in the mix fighting nowt with this other team specifically,
they were in conversations, absolutely, but I certainly don't get
(06:49):
the impression that that they were willing to go that
extra level, which by the way, isn't.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
That much when you consider what was being.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Exchanged draft pickwise, But they weren't gonna be willing to
give up a sixth and a seventh round pick, I
guess to acquire one extra player.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So I think that speaks to the frustration that a
lot of people feel with maybe specifically this year at
the deadline, and again they did something because they had
to do something at running back, but like you know,
you wrote about it last week, there's capital that they
don't want to give up because they've they've got to
rebuild this defense, right They've they've next year's draft is
(07:27):
really important for this team. But if you look at
the rest of the league, nobody's giving up you know,
Day one or many Day two picks in order to
get incrementally better. And so the cost that they would
have had to incur to make at least a slight
upgrade to some position on defense, I think for most
people would have been worth it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We talked about this team getting into bidding wars.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You know, I don't know that most folks believe that
at the end of that bidding war, the Bengals would
have parted with a lot of precious, valuable draft capital instead,
it would have kind of what the rest of the
NFL is giving up in exchange for the established players.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, I do not disagree on that, and you know
that if that's very true, I don't. I don't think
there's anything this is a problem, Like you have to
you can't value late round picks this much that you're
not going to take a shot to try to help
this year's team win, but if you don't feel like
the upgrade is worth enough over who you have, because
(08:28):
I think that's also the combination of this, right is
potentially either valuing or overvaluing their own players that can
come in and fix what's wrong and get better and progress,
which they are counting on that. I mean, no one
player was going to show up here and all of
a sudden, the Bengals defense doesn't really stink against good
teams like that's who they are right now. I think
(08:51):
it's a combination of that and the extreme valuing of
every level of draft picks that they have. I mean,
it's how they get to the spot of never really
making trades.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Is that those two factors is just the absolute valuing
of the people that they have to fix problems already
being in house, and the you know, holding the gold
the gold nuggets that are six and seventh round draft ficks.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
In your hands and never really wanting to really puish them.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Paul Danner Jr.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
With us covering the Bengals Fortheathletic dot Com as well
as the Growler Podcast. Latest episode recorded this morning is
out Balds Don't Lie. I wanna quickly fling the conversation
back to Khalil Herbert. He is learning the playbook right now.
Who do you think right now knows more about the
Bengals playbook?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Him or Jermaine Burton.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, I mean that's a that's a hard one to say.
I mean, he's got it out. He might have an
hour up on him already today. Uh yeah, I mean
he certainly, he's certainly could be up to speed really quick. Well,
I guess it would be telling if he's out there
playing out running outside receiver routes and go balls. He's
taking over the number eighty one role.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, I'm sure he is a player, you know I
said before, relative to what he's brought to the team.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
We talk about him way too much. But but like
that was a story this weekend, right.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
He doesn't show for walkthrough, doesn't show for practice on Saturday,
and with this golden opportunity in front of him, instead,
he doesn't play in the game on Sunday. You know,
he's got to win back his teammates, some of whom
called him out. I'm sure he's got to win back
the trust of people on the coaching staff. It just
(10:41):
it feels like this isn't impossible for him. But I
don't know, And you could speak to this better than most,
Like are we are we getting close to a point
of no return for him?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
No? I don't think so. I mean there's plenty of
time to you know, let him sit in the background
and learn and figure things out. I mean it could
be years. I mean nobody wants that. But I mean
this team will give you every chance even if it
goes wrong. I mean, we saw you. Jackson Carmen struggled
every single year here, and he hung around till his
(11:17):
fourth year. When when to pick on you. They give
you every chance, you know, and and it's key separate situations.
And I actually I'm hesitant to even compare the two,
but they're similar in the positions and and and and
you know, high talented potential receivers to Chris Henry, you know,
(11:37):
from fifteen years ago, right, it was just continue to
bet on if, but win the switch Flipps on this
guy when it comes along. And then you see the moments, right,
and you just feel like you're willing to go through
it because you want to be the one that's there
when he comes out the other side. And this one
is different in what you're dealing with, but it's also
(11:58):
it is it's young persons stuff that he's trying to
figure out.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
And they do sound very willing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
To be patient. And this organization is known for a
long time to be very be patient with this stuff,
and there they may need to be because it could
be I don't think this feels like a short term
project where all of a sudden the trust is back
and he's gonna go out there and send the snappy
for him on Thursday. I think it's at square one,
(12:27):
long road, burning the trust back of your teammates before
you can ever start building any portion of him around
him at this.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
But but you know what is different is the quarterback
that I saw at the podium on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that what Joe Burrow
has done over the last couple of days here, and
whether we're talking about the breaking it up in the
locker room and you heard those things that were said
and or with the.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Hidden demeanor on the sideline or what he said at
the video, it feels like it could be a moment
that this team needed. And we were just in there
and he just talked about how he understands and that
people have told him how much people do feed off
of his emotion, his gy and how it wouldn't feel
(13:20):
authentic if when, yeah, you're you're getting more of the positive,
you're also going to get more than negative when you're
feeding off of that. And that's what this team needs
and he's kind of regnizing that, and that's something we
heard him talk about earlier in the season. We wondered
when his leadership is going to take a step, when
he was going to have his like Tom Brady Turner, right,
He's going to become the angry Tom Brady, and I
(13:40):
think the fact that he had hes just what this
team needs right now. They have felt like a team
kind of slayed enough purpose.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
This year, and maybe this is it.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Maybe this is the the big Books moment that you
remember from mid season a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh,
or any number that they've had along the way usually
does have to come from number nine. So perhaps not
tolerating a five touchdown dominating perform and being mad and
telling everyone as much immediately in the Aftermack is the
(14:13):
moment that snaps this team to start playing more as
a team and to their potential. And that will depend
on the result that happens in Baltimore, because everything will
feel different if what was said and done after the
Raiders game leads to them getting their first kind of
signature win and suddenly sitting there back to five hundred
(14:34):
right in the middle of the race and having just
taken down the Ravens in their house, a suddenly the
season feels like it's all the way back on.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
There was so much stuff that happened on Sunday that
the Eric All thing kind of became a bit of
a footnote, and I hated for him because it's it's
a second consecutive year with the season ending knee injury.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I hated for the team, And like, I.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Know, it's easy to say, well, they're not a good
running team to begin with, so big deal. And Mika
Sicki's had back to back productive game, so big deal.
But you put this on social media and I'm not
sure it's really been tapped into that's that's a that's
a look. Every injury sucks. It really sucks for a
young guy who was, you know, really look like he
fit in, really looked like he had a bright future
(15:21):
and and hopefully he can still you know, be what
we thought he was gonna gonna be. But for this
team this year, he was vital, and he was vital
vital specifically for the way they want to play. Can
can you sort of expand on that for me?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I mean, they changed who they have been since the
moment Zach Taylor walked in the door. They have been
the kings of eleven personnel. I mean they've led to
them in the rams, have goen neck and neck for
who runs the most eleven personnel, like it's a competition.
They're so far above everybody else in the league, and
one guy, and and and this, the seeds of this
(15:58):
were planned as soon as he started participate in camp,
particularly in the full padded practices. One guy opened eyes
and made them start saying, time to get to work
on the twelve personnel package. He changes everything, and you
saw it. They came out there and they couldn't move
the ball in the opener, Mo couldn't do it. What happened?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
When did they move it?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
They put in Eric All with Drew's sample, and they
pounded the twelve personnel run game, moved down the field
and got touched on. And so they said more of that,
and then they did it. Now he's moving from every direction.
Now they're using the motions, and he's he's cracking from
the side, he's playing fullback, he's out there touching balls
up the seam, and he's got explosives outside. He's doing
(16:38):
absolutely everything, and every week they keep complimenting him and
building more into the those packages. Everything that involves him
is something new, it's something different. It's something that's more
window dressing to make the defense think about. And it
made them more physical and tougher. And now you got
to take that away. Everything you built, you know, you
(16:59):
can do those types of things, some of them Withdrew Sample,
but the flexibility that all gave you really made them
so much more versatile. And it's kind of been the
seam of their offense this year, is that the was
the evolution of them in terms of versatility and doing
different things and using different packages. You take really the
key portion of the versatility away when you take Eric
(17:22):
all the way, and I'm really curious to see how
they deal with it, because they're much easier to pinpoint
who they are and what they're trying to do when
it's only Drew Sample out there or when it's only
Mike Yasicki out there. They just become much easier to predict.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Have you ever warned pajamas to work?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
No, I don't think so, maybe like a pajama day.
I think at one point in one place I work,
You know, I worked in Key Wes.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
It was pretty.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Lax, all right, So back in the day you could
roll in. There was really no code that anyone followed
there outside of could you try to not be too
drunk at work? Right, was kind of the Key West code.
And I never dealt with that, but that I never
even came in in pajamas even down there, I I
(18:13):
I can't say that I can quite be on the
same page, but you know what I commend. I commend
the bresh. You know, look, I'm here he had and
I think everybody had to say, you're right, it probably is.
That's probably we're at with it. We're okay with this here.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah. Uh, you know, I just if I was him,
i'd really lean into it.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Get some like adult foot of pajamas, maybe call since
he shirts they've had those, and just kind of you know,
I mean just that that could be his thing.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Mo.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I gotta say, though, while we're on this topic, what
are the odds? But I would actually love to talk
to the producer that or the camera guy that caught
this to get the shot of angry Joe Burrow and
truly his angriest after a touch down while leading by
a million point space, like to catch that moment and
(19:04):
to then see here coaster Maine Burton bopping along, smiling,
being goofy right in front of him, like you had
to turn to somebody and be like, no way anybody
else that Am I the only one that saw that?
Did we really just catch that? I mean you can't
sum up an entire situation with nuance and details and
days and weeks of background better than you could in
(19:26):
that one shot here it is.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
That's the situation right there. It was incredible. When so
they're gonna be on in season Hard Knocks? Are they
filming now?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Is that? Because?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
My my first thought was if, because I don't know
if they've been on board filming doing stuff and they're
gonna show it in December, but if if the Jermaine
Burton situation has been captured by that crew, then Hard
Knocks is gonna be even better then I thought it
was gonna be.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And I'm already a huge fan.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
How great would that be if they're like we Jermaine
micd up on that Saturday and they just sat there
outside of his place waiting for him to come out
and he just never did.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
That's the episode. The episode is just devastating.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
They're waiting for him to come out of the door,
not doing it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, they're around. There are a lot of cameras around
right now that are unfamiliar and people that are unfamiliar
right now, so it's hard to keep track of it
all because we have Amazon and NFL films, and we
have I'm sure the hard Knock. I don't know. Some
of them are hard knocks, as they do bos. It's
very hard to keep track of what's happening right now
when you have four of the next six games in
(20:37):
primetime and an HBO documentary all on tech. There's just
a lot of uh focus on this team right now
from a media perspective.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, understandably. So all right, man, I know you have
work to do. I do appreciate it as always. Well,
we'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'll wear for jama next week.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Okay, dude, I'm work in radio, so like I'm basically
where pajamas every day, and so does everybody else.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So, I mean, you know, if football doesn't work out.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
For Germaine, perhaps there's a future in in non television
broadcasting for him that.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
We could we can help him with. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'll leave I'll leave that alone, though.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You have a good day. Did he go from.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Paul Danner Junior from the Athletic Go to get his
work at the Athletic dot Com. He does have his
five mid season predictions for the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
One has already come true. We'll see if the other
four do.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Go read it at the Athletic End Catches podcast The Growler,
which I was a part of today. It is available,
as we say, where you get your podcast. Our buddy
Sean Saide is going to join us at five twenty
today where a Buffalo wild Wings in Kenwood on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Cincinnati's
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