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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We have a lot to discuss.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
What is going on. Not much, It's good. It is good.
To be back here.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
You know, this is so much has changed, so much
changed since the last.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Time we were here in Las Yeah, so we were
we were before the opener.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, I'm not mistaken. It hadn't even gone sideways there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yes, we were giving away tickets to the Bengals Patriots
game and there was excitement and uh, and now it's
I don't know what it is because I feel like
a lot of us are doing We're doing two things.
We're sort of sifting through the carnage of the first
ten games, but you know, we're clinging to that the
Broncos and the Colts, those teams.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Aren't that inspiring.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
And if they could just get in which kicks into hyperdrive,
if they went on Sunday Night, which is doable.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Absolutely, it's doable. I mean it's both things can be true.
I mean, both things can absolutely be true.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Where you have the fact is your season is wide open.
There there is.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
No reason that this team couldn't follow the Green Bay
Packers blueprint from last year, who were four and six
at this point, and then Jordan Love got hot. Joe
Burrow's already hot, yeah, and their defense got did enough
and they were one of the best teams that had
a legit shot to win the Super Bowl by the
time things really got going in the playoffs. That's not

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saying that I believe that's gonna happen or you can
see that happening right now. A lot of things have
to change and go right and what have you. But
they got the hard part taken care of. They got
they got the quarterback playing at an elite level, which
is what will eventually carry this thing.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
And so yeah, it's it's so hard.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Not you know, that's that's almost I mean, that's the
ultimate lowest bar that this team has.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Is that can always be that.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
But it's like, it's when the expectations and the hope
and the reality of what this thing should have been
are just so much higher, it's hard to even cling
onto that and find that as hope because it's more
it almost feels sad that that's where in the position
that you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Paul. By the way, it covers the bank for the
Athletic dot Com and has a podcast, the Growler podcast
Baalds Don't Lie. Latest episode dropped a short while ago.
Go find that. I find myself sort of going back
and forth because I was doing this on Sunday watching
the the Broncos lose in what has turned into just
typical Kansas City Chiefs win fashion in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
But good, I'm moving for Kansas City in that regard.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
And then I see the Colts really no match for Buffalo,
and so I'm like, all right, you know in the
race for the seven, things haven't changed, right, Things haven't
changed from Thursday morning to Sunday afternoon, Right, things haven't changed.
They're a game behind Denver, they still have a chance
to play them. Here, they're tied with Indianapolis. That team
is still not very good. And you know what if

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they get in, boy, they're dangerous. I know Green Bay
one is a seventh seed last year, but what a
dangerous seventh seed. And so if you're Buffalo, do you
want to play them?

Speaker 5 (03:51):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
If you're Baltimore, do you want to play them? No?
If Kansas City were to slink to the second seed,
you don't want to play them at all.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
And that sounds good.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
But I went into the season talking about how do
they win a championship and can they be the one seed?
And nothing that I've seen through ten games would suggest
that they can do anything beyond just be a scary
low seed. And that wasn't the goal at the beginning of.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
The season, no, but that's the reality of where you're
at and and all paths are not the same, and
so you can talk yourself into that one. But it's
it's it's set. It's the failure that you have at
this point. I mean, is that it's just you don't
know what you can count on outside of the two
obvious things that you can count on, because every week

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it feels like it's almost it's something same but different.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I mean, we've seen them.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Go through this roller coaster now where a couple of
weeks the offense was clunky and the defense got them
wins and then okay, now the offense starts humming again
and maybe the defense is better, and then four straight
touchdown drives again? Is do we I need to do
a real dive? When is how one is the record
for most times in the season that the defense has
allowed for consecutive touchdown drives? How does how this happened

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over and over again? I I it's there's this has
got to be some kind of a record. But it's like,
you know, you feel like you have things under control
and then it falls out and it's really I've sort
of dubbed it the Season of the Inexplicable. It's just
how many times are they gonna continue to lose like this? Yeah,
where it just doesn't make any sense. They are they
a better team than four and six? Yeah, I think

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there are better than a four and six team. I
think it's wild that every single one of those close
games have knock gone their way. Just law of averages
in the league says, when a game is basically decided
by one play either way, it's gonna be something.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
You're gonna finish five hundred in.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Those games, to b zero and five in games decided
by six points or less, to be two and three
in games where you've scored at least thirty three points
when the rest of the league is thirty eight and one.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Like That's.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yes, they're better than four and six, which is what
makes them a scary seven seed, and that's what they
can cling on to. But the fact is that they
have put themselves in those situations. They have been a
team that has not made those plays, and they've played
bro yeah they haven't.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
You know, they call it complimentary football.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
I just call it disjoin it, Yeah, where it just
it never feels like it's all together.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
It never feels like they're in it to win. It
fre each other.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
The reactions and the body language never feel like anything
resembling the same stuff you saw in previous seasons.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
But they were close on Thursday, far up fourteen. They're
playing a really good football game every phase. At twenty
one seven, you've got the football and maybe it's a
lifetime as a Bengals fan. Maybe it's just understanding that
this is how the season has been preordained to go.
As soon as Chase Brown fumble. Now I know that

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after that there's a lot to relitigate, and we can.
But as soon as Chase Brown fumbled, you knew, you know,
you know, you just you you knew, And that to
me is it's frustrating for a lot of different reasons.
But for two and a half quarters were they look
like one of the best teams in the NFL. They
were operating in all cylinders offense, Lead Joe was playing
like an MVP. Jamar Chase was unbelievable. And that's not

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even taken into account of stuff those two would do afterward,
Right after they blew the lead. But at twenty one seven,
I said it out loud, like, just give me three
on this drive and then I'll take my chances. Right,
give me twenty four to seven or deliver a knockout
blow and we're gonna walk out of here five and five,
maybe a shot in the division, clear eye toward the postseason,

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and let's go. And all that evaporated. Ye in about
seventy five minutes.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, I had.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
I had leaned over right as that drive was starting
and they started, you know, getting it moving, and leaned
over to Charlie Goldsmith, this is next me in the
press box and said, I mean, are they gonna blow
this thing out?

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, just stunned by that, even having that.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
And then the next thought was, oh, the one thing
you couldn't do, the one thing like the you could
have punted. Your defense is playing well. Force them to go,
don't give him the momentum. The Ravens had just gotten
booed off the field, the MVP, you know, the MV three,
right and everything.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
That they had been this whole year.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
We're getting booed by the home crowd on the way
out of the last time that this Bengals defense the
Bengals defense had to them down again, and the only
thing you couldn't do was give them the momentum, give
them the short field, immediately get them back into it.
And that's what happened. I mean, But that's what this
season has been. It's been whenever the one thing that

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can't happen does and it just seems to happen, and
somebody else does it each and every week, and it's
the sign of losing teams that do losing football.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well, you and I've watched a lot of losing.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Football from this team over the course of our lives,
and that's what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
That's the difference.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
That's the difference is the team that always seems to
just do the wrong thing at the wrong time and
also not be able to stem the tide, not be
able to punch back against the adversity. And I feel
like this team has not had that. Once someone has
punched them, they've just been unable to recover, specifically defensively.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, it's I was gonna ask you.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
It was the great wordsmith that you are, Like have
you have you run out of adjectives? Have you run
out of descriptors like gut punch brutal, heart wrenching.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
No, I have settled into inexplicable for the rest of
the year because it's just it's it's almost impossible.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
But yeah, you gotta you gotta go with the sarus
like I didn't expect it. Usually it takes me.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Till December to have to go thesaurus on on some
on on a theme, right, But I mean I've had
to go the saarus on that, uh you know early.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I was probably mid October. Yeah, I mean, it's what
it is.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
But because every week it feels and when when you're
playing the must win game every week.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Oh they've had like seven musks.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
You can't keep playing the must wins. It's just it's
just that control.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I've I've built Sunday Night as the latest must win,
the latest must right before next week's two weeks we
were we were.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Joking that in last night when we did our live
show about we were kind of re racking some of
the takes from our preseason live show down there, and
one of them was our good friends Mike Patralia saying
the opener against New England was a must win. And
I say he may be proven right on that one.
Still it may be proven that because that does feel

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like that talk about one that has just hung over
you all year. If you're the Bengals, where you're talking
about the difference between five and five right now and
some of the other things.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
That have gone down, well, and for.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Me, and maybe this is just me, I'm sure it's
welcome to you. But the weirdness of having one game
in twenty four days, yeah, just adds to the vibe,
which right now isn't great, but it could change on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Everything can change, right, I mean everything, everything can change.
No homefield Chargers, right well, no question about that, right yeah,
I mean everything changes.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's a week to week league. I mean the.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Nature and something that I've been trying to really hammer
people is that the nature of the types of games
they're gonna play down the stretch, the types of teams
that are playing, I think does better set up to them.
They're gonna play a lot of games where you're gonna
feel better about the defense just by the nature of
the opponents that you're playing. And so you're gonna play
a lot of games where the defense is gonna make
some plays.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Nearest say, you know, yep, the.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Defense is really starting to figure it out, starting to
make plays. But the question will be can this Bengals offense,
which has put up some big numbers, some of them
by virtue of the Ravens twice and the Commanders early
in the season had put up some of those big numbers,
and they're certainly the Bay Burrows playing everything else. Are

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they going to be able to take it to the
next level against these top defenses? Four games against teams
that have defenses in the top three right now? That
will be the question, because I don't know that right now,
and which is a weird thing to say when we
talk about the nature of the way they're built, but
I think that's the predicament that they're in that nothing
feels complete.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I want to ask about what did or didn't happen
yesterday and.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Who the hell Gary Brightwell is.

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Speaker 3 (12:54):
What happened with Xavion Howard yesterday?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Huh this is a guy who's in a position to
turn down offers.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Uh yeah, I think, I mean, I guess he you know,
they brought him in, and first of all, we need
to rewind.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
This is this goes.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
I mean to me, you know when we first said, like,
so you're gonna sign a veteran corner, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
After the draft, we remember having the conversation with him, like.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Clearly this is a team that needs a veteran corner.
And I think at that point Howard's name was probably
one of a couple dozen in the conversation. And by
the time you reached camp and you're like, Okay, is there.
He's out there. I know there's off the lot off
field stuff there, but you know, he's got a relationship

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with LouAnn Arumo thinks he's great and and could be
a landing spot there you need him. Okay, okay in
training camps like well, that seems like a perfect time
to make a call and maybe Seep come in. No, no, no,
Week ten, no, no, DA's hill goes down. Yeah right, okay, Well,
now now you're in the.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Market for a veteran corner.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Xavian Howard's out there, he knows lu and Rumoh can
hop in and do some things.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
No.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Week ten, the week ten, Now this is the time.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
This is the moment we're like, well, yeah, now, let's
that's why.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's I hope the Hard Knocks cameras were in the room. Yeah,
when somebody like came in and said, you know what we
ought to do, guys, find a veteran corner.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Find a veteran corner, like I would love time, Like,
when was the moment that something someone's been raising their
hand in the corner for like six months and no
one knew they were there?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah me, okay, I have I'm the guy. When what
was the point that they had to get to where
they went? You know, there are other football players out there,
so but does this suggest that they tried to trade
from one like why would you just try to trade
for one instead of getting a guy who's on the street.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
It suggests, it certainly suggests that they failed at doing right. Yeah,
I mean, that's that would maybe make it a maybe Okay.
I mean I think that they were having conversations, but
I don't know how hopeful they were that those were
actually gonna pan out. So you end up with this
situation and he comes in and and is gonna have

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a number that he wants to play too, And what's
he what's he got to do? I'm gonna go back
to the couch man like whatever, you know, and you
can call me back if you want to, if you
want to actually pay me, or you know, put me
on the real roster, and then we can talk about
what that actually looks like, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
And so I I but how.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
How far apart could the two sides? You got a
team that's desperate for corner help or desperate enough to
be kicking the tires on Xagon Howard, and and a
player who's not in the league, Like there could not
have been a huge gulf between what he was looking
for and what they offered. I'm not gonna be honest
with that. I don't care that they did or didn't
get it whatever, but that dynamic to me is interesting.

Speaker 7 (16:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
I mean it's most of the guys that come, including Gary.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Gary Brightwell Brightwell, yes, this time.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Of year, starting the practice squad, and then eventually you
make their way up. I if that was a part
of the conversation, I can't imagine that would go over
well for a four time pro bowler or Leonard Fournette,
who also was in in for his workout. So how
much of that is reality or was it just not
gonna be? The reason he's still available is because he's

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not going to play at a league minimum. He'd rather
just stay at home. I mean, he's made money, right,
so maybe he's like, I'm not gonna come out here
and put my body up for anything, shy of X number.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
And that's just what it is.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
And that's also very possible and probably part of the
reason why he's still out there, or maybe that they
didn't bring him into this point.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Uh So, I don't you know, I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Ccifically the golf that you're talking about, they do, but
I don't think it was.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
It certainly wasn't cut and dry.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I thought Gary Brightwell was the name of my in
law's financial advisor. Yeah, apparently he's an NFL running back. Yeah, no,
he's absolutely So this was also interesting yesterday.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Nothing against Gary bright Well. This is really unfortunate for year.
It is unfortunate for him.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I was saying to you off air, I was
kind of busy yesterday, so I was just getting caught
up on Hey, Leonard Fournette, they're working him out, and
Xavier Howard they're working him out. And then by the
time I kind of wrapped my brain around that, boom,
Gary Brightwell.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Now, Leonard Fournette did nothing for him. He played two
games for the Bills last year. Yeah, washed up running
back at a position where it's easy to get washed
up at very quickly. But uh, I guess if you
were excited about playoff Lenny making an appearance in Cincinnati,
it's a bit of a letdown when my in law's
financial advisor because the guy they signed.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Well, it's it's just you know, it's it's not his fault.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
No that they were two bigger names that were being
brought in from to a fan base that has been
sitting on the edge of its seat staring at the
bottom line ticker for months, wanting anybody to come.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
And just help this team do anything, really, and.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Finally they think they're gonna get a name that they've
heard of, and then you'll take Cary and you'll like it. Yes, yeah,
you'll take Eric Bright when you like it. I mean,
their their team is, their team is on the pot.
My point is, I don't Xavian Howard isn't changing anything.
Xavian Howard was not going to come in here and
all of a sudden, you're just getting this competent level immediately.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
I mean, that's the.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Stupid part about waiting till week ten, is like, at
the very least, there's some time to come in and
get a feel for didn't We just get berated for
an entire offseason about how you gotta have communication even
get on the field out here and how important that is.
But this dude's just gonna show up and he's gonna
immediately like take you to the level that you need
to be at, and we're not gonna talk about communication anymore.

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It's just desperate. Everything that's happening is just desperate right now.
All these rotations on defense that are happening of it's
the last drive, and now Cam Taylor BRIT's out, but
DJ Turner was out before, and Josh Newton's like we're
in the Josh Newton portion of the program now right,
Like you've got Josepho's size out here playing over top
of Miles Murphy because he's playing hard. Mike Hilton's coming

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off the field and he's the only cornerback it seems
to ever make a play.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Stay there, because that was where I was gonna go
next at the game on Thursday night out loud, I thought,
maybe he got hurt.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Now, so here's this really good.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Slot corner, surehanded tackler who in situations where you would
think is perfect for him, they pull him off the field.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Can you tell me what that one?

Speaker 4 (19:48):
It was my first question for Leinn Remo yesterday. I
had why why is Mike Hilton coming off the field?
Like I watch, you know, this defense struggle to put
a competent corner out there except for one guy I
see make plays. And he said, it's matchup driven. It's
mostly on third downs. Uh and and I said, well
he seems to be making a lot of plays. Yeah,

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he makes a lot of plays on first, second down.
And he wants to get you know, he talks about
matchups and coverage matchups on other downs and more passing situations.
To me, was you know, and and lots of love
for Mike Hilton that he's had. He was suggesting that
he thinks he's not able to cover as well. And
last year his maybe his numbers were up a little more.

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Because I pointed out his snap count for the year
being down drastically from last year, he said, well, we
were rotating into play safety some So what was that
an option? I mean, it's not like safety is on
lock right now. Okay, no, no it doesn't. They think
they're settled there in what's going on in the safety position.
So you know, a guy who I see make more
plays than anybody in that secondary can't stay on the

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field for some reason. It's just added to the list.
It's it's a it's a it's another drop in a bucket.
That's really hard to put it all together. It just
feels like grasping at any straw. It's not even we're
gonna change it. I'm not gonna call it rotating anymore.
It's begging anyone, begging anyone to step up and take
a job and become an answer, and he's giving everyone

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a chance that possibly can't and nobody's doing it because
he just doesn't have.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
It reminds me of The Reds twenty twenty three, starting pitching.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Hey, can you pitch? Can you pitch? I mean it's
kind of what it feels like on defense right now?
Does Ricky Karcher play safety?

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Can we get Can we at least get a Ricky
Karcher game where he gets like three picks?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
That would be That would be awesome, That would be
maybe we'll get that some version of that from Gary
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Speaker 3 (21:57):
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Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Let's go through some of the local insurance games and
I can fire them off tea and we'll see. I'll say,
is this a new Bengals practice squad running back or
a local insurance salesman? That'll be our game? Will play
after this?

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car accident on October sixth. He's just twenty two years old.
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played this morning against the Kalamazoo k Wings and lost
three to and overtime. Morning Hockey Downtown Wow and Hockey tonight,
the Blue Jackets skate against the trying to break a

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five game losing streak.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
What's going on? We're Buffalo Wild wins?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Uh? Is there any part of that game beyond the
Chase Brown fumble that you care to rehash, relitigate, relive
two point try?

Speaker 4 (24:16):
I mean, we could we could talk about the two
point try in case it hasn't been talked about enough
at this point. Well, I did think, you know, the
the analytical discussion of it was kind of interesting, whereas
in the moment it seemed to me blatantly obvious, and
maybe I just had recency bias of watching Patrick Mahomes

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go down in overtime UH to pull out their win
against the Bucks previously, and it's like, you just can't
go to overtime and go turn it into a coin
and because that's that's a coin toss game. That's that's there, right,
one of those two teams is going down and scoring
the touchdown is the way you have to look at it.
And so it felt obvious, but the fact that they

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scored so the actual numbers were really turned it into
almost a coin flip because the inferred or implied aggression,
I should say that comes with there being two timeouts
and if you're down one as opposed to being tied,
they're gonna be They're gonna be all out. You're going
forward on fourth down, you're throwing d because you know
you've got to get day of Justin Tucker, you know.

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Because so my my take on that game is even
if they get the two point conversion, they still.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Lose, possibly possibly like that because everybody if they would
have won, would they have So it's like it's interesting
because on Monday night we had a similar situation. Yeah,
right with the Bucks and Chiefs, and I think it's
Seth Walter of ESPN's Analytics sent a tweet out immediately

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afterward that said, you know, essentially this.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Is kind of a fifty to fifty decision.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Wasn't a huge upswing in when probability had they gone
for to and made it versus kicking the pat and
going over time, And so I assumed that was the
case there. I made it very simple for me. I
wanted them to go for it. Number One, he's not
coaching scared. We can cross that off right. Number Two,
if I go for two and I get it, I've

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got to stop them once. If I kicked the pat,
I've got to stop them once in regulation and maybe
again in overtime. And they're not doing that. So I'll
roll the dice and maybe I can stop them once.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
There's almost no game in your life if you're Zach
Taylor that you shouldn't say give me one play in
Joe Burrow. Yes, right with especially this year, Yes, where
you just say give me one play in Joe Brow.
Now the calls that did not happen on that uh,
you know, I sort of you know, joked around with

(26:49):
Mike GIESICKI a bit off the record of just like,
is that the worst the worst like non call you've
ever been a part of in your life?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
You know? And he won to know.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
He wants nothing to do with any fines that are
associated with such talking about it. But you know, after
the game, he said, just watch the tape, just watch
the take there was.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
They're allowed, they're allowed to get they're allowed to push.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
On you at the line, and you expect that grabbing
and tossing down when someone starts to separate his and
you see the back of the back chudge like he
like reaches, he's like he's he's going for it. He
sees it, so he sees it and then just doesn't.
It's like, how is how is that possible?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
And I don't know?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
You know it when you have pressure in a quarterback's face,
it's like, you know, did it?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Did it? Did it not? Did you see it? How
do you not? How do you not see it?

Speaker 4 (27:44):
When a dude just gets pummeled on the face, the face,
his helmet is down over his eyes, like I I
just have a hard time to to believe that. And
then how as a lead is something like that not challengeable.
You know, it's not make the absolute no gray area,

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black and white calls should be challengeable, just like anything else.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
No one's saying add more challenges. You're not adding more stoppages.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Just have more things that can be challenged or that
are obvious, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
And that's something that it's like.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
What are we doing to remove from my end of it,
the emotion out of it being a fan? If I
that was a great.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Game, great maybe the best game I've ever seen, I.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Mean, a great supporting event, and for anyone who watched
it to walk away from it thinking most about a
non call on something that was blakeant. We're not talking
to John Anthony, you know, could go either way. Let's
let's debate whether or not it was a good call.
There was no there was no argument, you know, no,
there was. These were two egregious misses. For for that

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to be the talking point in the immediate aftermath of
that game, I think people go too far and saying
that something is not good for the NFL, because nobody
based on that is going to stop watching NFL games.
But still as a league, that's not what you want, No,
but it's what they who they are.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
It is and it is and you know, and I
know everyone went from really disliking al Michaels to loving
al Michaels by the end. But like they're talking about
that because it's it's it's true. It's at the end
of every one of these games. It feels like we
are sitting here talking about these calls and these decisions
that happen, and it just does feel like it has
been for a long time time for a change to

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just open up where you can cover yourself up a
little bit more so that the most egregious things don't
constantly haunt haunt you. The other thing from this game
that I think is interesting is everything that happened surrounding
the punt the third and two, fourth and two, the
two times they ended up in that no man's land

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and they punted the one time, and they the two
deep balls to the ball.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
To Jermaine Burton.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah, I just what's happening with Evan McPherson in that situation,
And then in play calls before those, when you're in
the situations, how you weren't playing for the field goal right,
Like you're thinking, okay, check down here to get in,
get it a little bit closer. When you edit it
was a third and sixteen or whatever it was second sixteen.

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How are you not playing to get into field goal
range a one point?

Speaker 3 (30:16):
And what are what is going on? How does do multiple.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Three deep balls in these short situations continue to happen?
I get it once, yeah, maybe even twice, and maybe
even twice You're like, look, they're giving it to us,
they're daring me, and and Joe's not going to be scared.
He's gonna I don't understand how how that happens. And
you start to wonder, like how is this something that

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you need to worry about? Because that that's for a
guy that's known for processing and making such great decisions consistently,
Like those are decisions of being too aggressive in these
spots where you need to just get the first downs
and it's not like nothing was there. I mean, yeah,
we've all seen it, and Jamar saw it, and I'm

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sure and Joe's you know, would want the want a
couple of those decisions back obviously because they didn't connect,
but like it just it just felt for as much
as we praise his decision making, there were some in
this game, sure that were brutal, and they get glossed
over by all the rest of the awesome. But like
he's being held to a level of needing to.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Be absolutely perfect. It's not his fault, it's just where
it is.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
And and those are a couple that you look at
and say, oh, man, how do you Is this something
you have to be thinking about every week?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Bypassing the fifty one yarder? That's I can't blame them
because he has struggled from distance, which is why he's
cryptocurrency mac. But what is supposed to make him special
and the reason, yeah, we all love him is he
makes those kicks. And they said thanks, but no thanks
on the fifty one yarder.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
It was the first time. It was the first time
time we saw the trust really tested right.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
And it's like Marvin Lewis, I see better than I hear.
You can tell me you trust money back, but I
saw what you did there.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
But I saw what you did there.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yeah, you didn't put him out there, uh, in situations
where every point was clearly gonna matter, and you had
a couple opportunities to come to come away with no
points on to those drives.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
You know, I mean to punt. Yeah, how did you
get yourself into that spot?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Right?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know, that's just you can't you can't have it.
And so I you know where that has effects?

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, that that has effects next week and the week
after that for when.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
He does go back out there.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I got like a minute here. Part of what made
Burrows performance so awesome was he did it on a
night where he was hit a thousand times.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Now Zach has kind of gone out of his way
to say, well, it's not really the offensive line. Yeah, whatever,
palace the offensive line? Why does the offensive line stick now?
Especially on the inside. Cordell Volson had a bad night.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Alice Kappa al Kapa has had a number of bad nights.
I mean there is also there's a domino effect from
Orlando Brown. I mean having to give more attention to
Cody Ford and not be able to just sit comfortably
and know that left side is rock solid, which it
has been with Orlando Brown in this year.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
It exposes other one on ones.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
It allows other situations that you can't compensate for not
having Eric all where you're not doing more twelve personnel
and using those guys in there for extra protection, you know,
Zach Moss, you don't have an extra protector to come
in that you can put up and be more a
thumper into those spots, and they're losing more often, and
they just they did. I mean, you know, tell me
all you want to about face mask.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
You know what I see.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
I see a dude that planted Alex Kappa right into
Joe Burrow's face and on the two point conversion. So
I think there's a couple there's a domino effect of
these injuries. That's a part of it. Having to hold
the ball a little bit longer to make some of
this stuff happening. Without te Winn quickly. On the other side,
without Orlando blocking, without Zach Moss, you're past protecting back

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being in there. I think there is a there is
a domino effect of all of those putting a lot
of pressure on guys that already were a little you know,
they're okay when everything else is there, Yeah, but it
gets a little bit more exposed when they're counted on
to now be the solid.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Ones when they've they've just been okay.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Well you've been better than okay. Oh thanks, yeah, you're welcome. Thanks,
Enjoy Los Angeles. I will I will back to so Far,
back to so Far for the hours time. I'm sure
we'll be talking about that won't come up at all.
It'll be a bad storyline this week, you know. I mean,
I mean Ron Torbert was on last night.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Awkward to watch Ron Torbert throw flags at so Far,
I'm sure for people. So I'm sure it will be
awkward being back there again. But it's uh yeah, first
time back. I get like they move it to the
night games. So we get like two long days in La.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Shut all right, and just spend half of that in traffic.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
You'll be good. Un Swing by Santa Monka.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
And and go there and visit you know where I
spend five days.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Say hello to the to the icebox.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, see if it's still there.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
It probably is, if you would, But they probably built
a statue there now in your honor, of just a.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Statue of someone sitting next to it on the ground.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I don't know if that they've done that, but if
but if you guys happen to be in the general
Santa Monica area, take a picture of it.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, and just maybe I'll see if I can fire
off a radio show real quick. I heard this where
well you need a laptop, my guy.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
You can do it in any parking lot or anybody's
anybody's dry, you can go for anywhere you want to.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Paul Danner Junior.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
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Speaker 2 (36:47):
Buffalo wild Wings in blue ash moments from the five
for road exit off I seventy one. Our buddy Jim
Kelly's gonna join us in just about fifteen minutes. And
I'm having Jim on for two reasons. One obviously, color
analyst for UC Radio broadcast the Bearcats coming off a
tough loss on Saturday against West Virginia. But Jerry Foust

(37:09):
passed away, and I'd be completely honest with you, I'm
too young to have remembered Jerry Faust coaching at Molar,
but I don't know. I know you can't tell the
story of high school football in Cincinnati and in Southwest
Ohio without talking about the Molar dynasty that Jerry Faust oversaw.
Jim played for coach Faust at Moler, and so I

(37:30):
wanted to spend a few minutes talking with him about
Jerry's passing, which we found out about last night. He
died at the age of eighty nine years old. I
love to help. I love you know, sometimes in the
sports talk radio business, we complain. We're really good at
complaining and identifying problems. We're good at that in this business.

(37:52):
I like two at times offer help. And so the
Reds I think have a little bit of a problem.
I'm here to help them with it. We'll do that
coming up a little bit later on. And I do
not want you to blame Jamar Chase this offseason. And
I do want you to stop complaining about the Kansas
City Chiefs and maybe ask for the Bengals to do
something about the Kansas City Chiefs. That coming up a

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little bit later on. Plus our buddy Sean Sayad from
sumer Sports, and we've got a poll question. The poll
question is going to be about noon kickoffs. So Ohio
State has this massive game next weekend against Indiana and
it's going to be a noon kickoff. Which Fox, when
they got into college football game decided their prime time slot,

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their best time slot where they were going to put
the best games, was going to be at noon Eastern time.
And if you go on social media and like, I
take everything happening right now on social media with a
bit of a green of salt, because social media kind
of just exists for people to complain about stuff and
be angry about things and throw temper tantrums. But a
lot of Ohio State fans throwing temper tantrums about the

(39:02):
fact that the Buckeyes again this season, are going to
play a game at noon. By the way, they're not
the only ones that have done this. U see has
not played a home game this season. I think after
two thirty they have one home game to go against
TCU will find out next week when that game is
going to be. But I've seen and heard, and I

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even know a lot of people who have complained about
noon kickoffs at Knippert Stadium. And Penn State hosted Ohio
State in a game that ended the way it always
does for Penn State when they play someone good in
the Big Ten.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
They got beat and.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
The game was at noon, and there was a movement
there to boycott the big noon kickoff pregame show because
they were all mad that the game was going to
be at noon. Look, man, I say this from the
standpoint of, like my team, I don't really care that
much when they play, right, Like I don't care that much.

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I can either make it, hopefully I can professionally, I
always do or I can. But here's what I understand.
And this sounds obvious, but it bears repeating TV rules,
all TV roles everything. I don't love it, like I
don't like flex scheduling. In the NFL, Bengals are playing
on Sunday night in Los Angeles. I know people who

(40:25):
are making that trip who, because the game has been flexed,
have had to alter their travel plans. I did that
in Kansas City in twenty eighteen, Bengals played a game
against the Chiefs. Chiefs suddenly got really good. They took
a game that was going to start at one o'clock
and it became a Sunday night game that dramatically altered

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my travel plans.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I hate it.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
It sucks if you're lining up childcare. It sucks if
you're maybe trying to figure out what you're gonna do
to cover yourself at work.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
It stinks.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I do not like it, but it's a part of
the the.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Modern reality that we're in.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Right, TV rules all ticket buyers don't matter as much
as the TV networks and what they want. You might
hate it, I hate it. That's how it works. That's
how it's worked. For a long time. We have baseball
playoff games where we don't know what time first pitch
is going to be until there's less than twenty four
hours remaining before first pitch. This happened in twenty twelve

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with the Reds. We have six day windows in college football.
You see, is gonna play at Kansas State next week.
The kickoff time for that game will not be decided
until the Sunday prior. Now, for some that doesn't impact anything, right,
But for a lot of folks, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Know, whose lives maybe don't.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Revolve around the start time of a college football game,
it's a big deal. But that's how it works because
TV rules all and so you know, you might prefer
a night game because maybe you think the helmets look
cool under the lights, or maybe your alcohol intake is
different for an eight o'clock game than it is for
a noon game, and I can relate to that, And

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maybe you just think it's gonna make for a better
atmosphere if people have had a chance to get looped
up all day versus rolling out of bed and being
at their best in time for a twelve o'clock kickoff,
maybe those things do not matter. They do not matter.
They do not matter as much as what the TV
networks want and what the TV networks are paying for.

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That sounds obvious, but I do feel like this is
an instance where and I've watched people do it, this
is not an anti Ohio State thing. Ohio State as
a good team this year. They've shown a lot of
toughness Defensively, They've been totally remade over Jim Knowles. They're
this close from being unbeaten. I think they're a fair

(42:47):
value bet to win the national championship this season. IU
versus Ohio State should be a lot of fun. I
think the IU story is awesome. I love Kirksey Netty.
This is going to be a really fun game a
week from Saturday. But dude, if you're an Ohio State fan,
if you're an Ohio State lum if if you work
at Ohio State, if you're part of the Ohio State

(43:09):
Athletic department, if you're working for the football program at
Ohio State University or the Ohio State University, sorry, nobody
complained when they were catching those Fox checks. Like right,
nobody nobody was complaining when when when Fox decided to

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pay every Big Ten members school the coin that they're
paying in order to carry those games. Right, so when
you took that money an Ohio State did, and they
might not have liked the commissioner, the man who was
in charge when the deal was done, you had to

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understand that sweet, sweet television money came.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
At a cost.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
And the cost is maybe you playing foot fotball games,
marquee football games, important football games at a time that
is maybe not as desirable as others. It's not works man.
TV networks determine what the best time slots are for them,
and they schedule accordingly.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
This is not new, This isn't remotely new.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
This is why World Series games start when they do.
It's why Monday Night Football starts when it does. It's
why the College Basketball National Championship Game tips off at
nine to twenty.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I don't like some of those things. I think it's
kind of silly that nine.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
To twenty is when we tip off the college Basketball
National Championship Game. But CBS is also paying ten figures
to broadcast the NCAA tournament, So guess what they get
to broadcast it when they want. Fox is paying god
knows what to carry Big ten football games. They have
determined along with the other TV partners, that the slot
that they prefer most, the slot they want to put

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the teams in, the slot they want to direct the
most eyeballs toward, is noon Eastern time. Understanding that I
certainly am not surprised that that slot isn't being filled
by Northwestern and Minnesota and Illinois and Rutgers. Like you

(45:19):
might not like it, but this is not because my
point is, this is not new. We've had flex scheduling
in the NFL for quite a while. There is a
huge part of me that absolutely hates it. I know,
folks going to Dallas for the Bengals game against the
Cowboys on Monday Night, which I guess now might be
flexed out of Monday Night.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
That impacts a lot of people. I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
But ESPN is paying a lot of money to carry
money night football, So guess what if they want a
better game then the Bengals versus Cooper Rush or Trey Lancet,
and guess what, They're gonna get a better game.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
This is not new, So you know, you get all excited.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
I hear fans, you know, whenever they're they're you know,
it gets another big check for media company. They're all
excited about it. Understand, the media company gets a little
bit more control over your events. And by the way,
you see, we dealt with this a couple of weeks ago.
They played a road game against Colorado ten fifteen at night,
and you know, I saw some fans roll their eyes,

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and I'm like, well, what did you think it was
gonna happen when they moved to the Big twelve? What
did you think it was going to happen when the
Big twelve took on schools from the.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Mountain time zone? What did you think was going to happen?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
When ESPN chose to pay what they're paying for Big
Twelve games, they get to slot the games that they prefer.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
In the slots that are most desirable. This isn't new.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
It's not new in sports, it's not new in college.
It's not worth getting mad at. And again, this is
not a an Ohio State thing at all.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Man.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I mean, like I watch Penn State fans lose their mind.
Fox has chosen the noon time slot is their slot
for the marquee game. Ohio State Indiana is the marquee game. Uh,
and so like adjust Accordingly, you can't go and yell
and scream at noon on First of all, if you're

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not going to the game, what does it matter as
long as you can watch it. I don't know, but
there was a lot of that on social media this morning.
Seventeen minutes after four o'clock, our phone numbers are five
point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. And you know,
are my guy Austin who's at Ohio State die hard?
Well it's open to the book eyes a bunch of
times this year. Well, don't have a good team then,

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and they'll they'll put them on networks that nobody carries
in time slots that aren't as big, aren't as good.
Like again, it's it's Fox is determined that noon slot
we're gonna and it's worked for them. By the way,
Joel Klatt, who I think does a good job as
a college football analyst for Fox, outlined today how good
their numbers have been for their noon games. So what
they're doing is working. Why are they gonna deviate from

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something that's work work when they're paying a lot for
it to work. Where Buffalo Wild Wings in blue Ash
Jim Kelly joins us next on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati
Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Cincinnati excu's football in Thenetti on the official home of
the Bengals. Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
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Wings in Blue Ash.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
We are here till six o'clock.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
The UC Bearcats had the first of back to back
road games on Saturday night, with a tilt at Iowa State.
You see coming off a really tough loss on Saturday
at home against West Virginia. Jim Kelly, color analyst on
UC football broadcasts, I want to talk about the Bearcats
in a second. I want to begin though, with this.
You played for Jerry Faust at Moler. We saw last

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night that the legendary coach passed away at the age
of eighty nine. This is an iconic figure in area
high school sports.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
What was it like playing for him?

Speaker 7 (49:00):
Well, yeah, he definitely iconic, no question about it.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
MO.

Speaker 7 (49:03):
It was great to play for him. You're you know,
and you're you're young, and you're I don't know, you're
trying to figure out everything going on. You love football
and you like the school that you're going to. He
was a perfect guy to uh kind of guide you
as a young man into life. Both on the football
field and then off the football field. Very religious guy

(49:26):
and valued his religion, and in obviously a Catholic school
like Muller is, you know, that was passed on. And
one of the things that that I learned from him
was not just you know, the religion side of things
or the spiritual side of things, but how to be
a good person. And then obviously the things on the
football field are excellent as well. I played the last

(49:47):
season before the state playoffs came into existence in Ohio,
so we did not have one. We finished second in
the state that year, but it was just a mythical poll.
The next year that when the playoffs started, Mueller was
not in it. But then shortly after that they went
on their big run of I think there was five
state championships under under Jerry and a couple of national championships.

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And he carried beyond him into Ted Bochigrufo and Steve
Clawnie and so on and so forth as the other
coaches came in. But great experience planned for him. We
were good friends. My daughter in law, Jerry Faust is
her godfather. So there's a there's a lot there and

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we'll miss him, but he had gone downhill. We sell
him for his birthday. I think, I want to say
us five years ago, maybe four years ago, when he
was eighty five. He came into town and huge number
of ex players out to see him, and we had
a great time that afternoon, and still used to come
down regularly. We'd see him when he'd come to Moeler occasionally.

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He came down a couple of times a year, maybe
four times a year, and then been under in bad
health the last couple of I won't say the last
couple of years, but definitely the last year and passed
away yesterday.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I was a student at UD in the late nineties
and I don't know if he was there for a
book signing, but I end up listening to a speech
given by Jerry Faust, and I'll admit to not really
at the time knowing who he was. And by the
end of it, I wanted to go play football somewhere
that obviously wasn't going to happen. So it was this stirring,

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inspirational speech. I'm not sure why I was there or
really what happened, but it was awesome. I would imagine
you heard those sort of addresses many many times.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
Well, I did hear those in the locker room obviously,
and at times when we maybe got out a little
bit of line, we'd hear it from him as well.
But he had a strong relationship with the University of Dayton.
He went to school there, he played there, the Marianus
Brothers which Dayton as well as Shamanad High School where

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he went to as well. We're all part of that system.
So he I'm not surprised that you heard him there.
He became a very gifted motivational speaker. I went to
scene one time and he actually saw me in the
crowd and singled me out in his speech without even
letting me know that it was coming. That's how good

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the guy was. He even a year ago or two
years ago, he remembers everybody's name. So the big loss
for the Moler community, no doubt about it, and for
me personally, and you know, and all my all my
brothers that played football at Molar, and not just football players,
the entire student bodied loved him.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, an iconic legendary figure in area high school sports.
And and and one of your your thoughts on his passing,
I'll switch gears admittedly clumsily to what happened on Saturday.
You see the Bearcats lose a game where, man, if
you would have told me coming in defensively they're going
to do what they did against West Virginia's running game,
that they're going to control the line of scrimmage the

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way they did, I would have said they win, and
maybe handily.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
And yet that's not the case.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
That makes the game on Saturday for me the most
disappointing loss of the season.

Speaker 7 (53:11):
How about you, Yeah, there was a little clumsily plays
in there a couple Now. I was on a bunch
of West Virginia radio shows and TV shows or you know,
online shows last week, and all of us kind of
agreed that whoever won the running game, meaning whoever could
stop the run and run successfully, was going to be

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the winner of that game. What none of us saw
were fourteen points on defense for West Virginia and then
the third turnover that led to a West Virginia field goal.
With seventeen points basically on turnovers, that's hard to overcome,
really hard to overcome, particularly when you don't take the
ball away equal to that, and obviously West Virginia scoring

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on those two. You know, want to pick six and
the other want to fumble. I honestly, their cats outplayed him.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
You hit on it.

Speaker 7 (54:05):
The defense against the run was phenomenal, and they've done that.
He gets some good running teams this year. So where
they struggled mightily in the beginning of the year against
the run, three of the last four games they've done
very very well against the run. In this case, a
little too much for them to go overcome. The mistakes,
you know, and I won't throw it all on Brendan Sowersby,

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but a couple of throws that he shouldn't have made
or you know, should have just took the sack or
thrown the ball out of bounds earlier, tried to do
too much with it, and both of those led to
those fourteen points on turnovers. For well seventeen points total,
but fourteen directly by the West Virginia defense. That's a
that's a tough thing to overcome.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
It's a weird.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Team, at least in my opinion from this perspective. They've
had some gut punch losses this season, and they have
bounced back the following week or for the next game
and put it behind them really quickly. Within games, they've
had these moments where it feels like things snowball, and
they can't put those moments behind them. And I kind

(55:08):
of felt like that happened with the first pick six
of the game on Saturday against West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Why does this team in a game itself, have such
a hard time moving on from a bad play or
a bad development, or a series of bad circumstances.

Speaker 7 (55:24):
You use the term weird, and I would echo that
this team when things go against them, they seem to
go into a funk for a period of time. Honestly,
in the West Virginia game in the fourth quarter, look
like momentum it shifted back to them, but then they've
lost it quickly again. But at the same time, I
don't know the explanation to that. I don't know if

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they I don't know if it's a personal thing with
the guys. I mean, it can't be all of them,
But you're absolutely right they when things seem to go
bad for them, they can't forget about it right away
and just get back on the field. Ken liked up
and happened, which is what you need to do. And
they are a little strange team that way, And you know,

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the other thing that in this game was even a
little bit different. But prior to this game, you know,
they had been very very good in the first half
and not so good in the second half, and I
guess that comes you know, came into this game as well.
But again they started making that comeback in the fourth
quarter and just you know, came up and fell short.
So I don't I wish I had an answer for you.

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I think if Scott Saderfield didn't answer answer, he would
somehow change that sure for this clock.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, uh, kind of a weird season, weird game on Sunday.
See if they can get back on track on Saturday
night and aims Jim good stuff as always, man, Thank you, Okay,
thank you bo Jim Kelly played at Moler under Jerry Faust,
now sits alongside Dan Horde in the UC broadcast booth.
They'll had the game on Saturday night, Bearcats against Iowa State.

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We have a poll question thanks to our friends that
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the way, we've been noon kickoffs in college football since
they started the sport right like, this isn't a new

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phenomenon where they play football games at noon, but on
social media? Is what's so bad about noon kickoffs? Four options?
A hurts alcohol consumption. B gets in the way of
family activities. C hard to be loud and excited at
such an early hour. Or D the helmets look cool
when they sparkle under the lights, which doesn't happen at

(57:41):
twelve o'clock. Vote now at maleggor we'll get to the
results a little bit later on sports headlines, And I'm
here to offer a solution to the Reds as they
embark upon free agency. Free agency is a device that
you could use, so to speak, to make your team better,

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but maybe they can't because of the TV situation. I'm
here to help. Next on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
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Speaker 2 (58:20):
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Let's begin with the games tonight, Xavier's hosting Jackson State
eight thirty tonight. The game is live on seven hundred WLW.
I refer to this every year.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
There have been some excuse.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Me good college basketball games. Kansas North Carolina was really good.
The Ohio State game against Texas had a real big
field to it. Buckeyes played great that night. I've always
referred to the Champions Classic as the unofficial start to
the college basketball season. Same for program of four programs
in for the most part, NBA venues large venues, they rotated.

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They always do the latest college football playoff rankings reveal
at halftime. It's always felt like college basketball's opening night.
Kentucky under Mark Pope. Look, I'm a John Caliperry guy.
It's fun watching the Wildcats play modern offense. I don't
know that they can guard enough for Duke tonight, but
Kentucky and Duke played in the second game of that doubleheader.

(59:27):
It's live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Pre game coverage begins
at seven thirty tonight. Also tonight, Miami takes on Maryland
Eastern Shore. UC's Dan Skillings had knee surgery, missed the
game on Friday. Kind of felt bulky, so to speak.
On the Tuesday after UC's first game. So we had

(59:50):
what they're calling a successful minor procedure on his knee,
and the expectation is he'll make a full recovery, they say.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
The school does.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
His availability will determined on a week by week basis.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Moving forward.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Coaching shows tonight NKU Coaches Show at six on ESPN
fifteen thirty. The Scott Saderfield Radio Show is tonight at
eight o'clock that can be heard on Fox Sports thirteen sixty.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
This is awful news.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Marco and Goulo passed away, an FC Cincinnati player at
the age of just twenty two years old. He had
a wife, he had a young son. Died in a
car accident. Died due to injury sustained in a car
accident earlier this month in Ecuador, Cyclones played this morning
at home. And I know that's a sloppy pivot from
something so serious to something so trivial, but anyway, the

(01:00:42):
Cyclones did fall this morning in a game to Kalamazoo
three too. They played one of those morning games at
over thirteen thousand people at the venue downtown and hockey
tonight Columbus Blue Jackets, who have lost five straight games
play against Seattle, and I believe their play by play
voice is still ever it fits you who used to
be the voice of the Cyclone.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
So there you go. What do we have?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Nineteen away from five o'clock? Meanwhile, the baseball offseason is underway.
Juan Soto is, I guess, starting to take meetings from teams.
I haven't seen that the Reds are among the teams
that will beginning a meeting with Juan Soto. It'd be
kind of cool if they were, but it feels like
things are in kind of limbo right now because the

(01:01:26):
Reds are looking for a television carrier, and it looks
like Major League Baseball is going to do what they've
done for a lot of teams and produce the games
and distribute the games. And what that means for you
and I as fans, I'm not entirely sure. I will
admit to you that the carrier that I subscribe to

(01:01:47):
I subscribe to only because it carries Bally Sports are
now fan duel sports, and if the Reds aren't on
that anymore, might be making a change. That's neither here
nor there, but I guess. And Nick Krawl was asked
about this at the GM meetings about what the TV

(01:02:08):
situation or I guess lack thereof, could mean for the
budget because we're all hoping the Reds make the roster better, right,
they can't just go hire a new manager, a Hall
of Fame manager, and wipe their hands and go, We're
going to go like there are roster upgrades and they
don't need to overhaul the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
But they need better players, need.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
More established players, need to spend some money in free agency.
And look, I say this from the standpoint I have
never ripped the Reds simply for being cheap. I ripped
them for the results they have achieved. Now there's a
correlation at times between what they spend and how much
they don't win. But my issue has never been what

(01:02:45):
they spend or what they don't spend. My issue is
the results they achieve. If you don't want to spend
that much but you achieve great results, then awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
But they do need help on the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Roster, and you could use free agency to help your roster,
and right now it sort of feels like things are
in limbo because they don't know what their TV revenues
are going to be. And I would imagine it's it's
it's hard to come to advertisers.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
And and and and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
And get them to buy add time on your television
network when you don't know what the network is gonna be,
who's going to get it, how many people are going
to be able to watch it, who's going to be
doing the games, all that sort of stuff, and so
there is some uncertainty there, and far be it from
me to speculate as to what this is going to
look like, but financially sure, I'll admit they're not going
to be getting as much from their their TV. It

(01:03:30):
looks like not going to be getting as much from
their TV as they were getting. And that can't be easy.
That's fine, here's a solution. Ready, go to your other
owners and tell them now's now's the time to help
us with the big league roster, right like, we're not
we're not talking about We're not talking about them, uh
you know, plundering into insolvency if you will, We're we're

(01:03:53):
we're trying to take uh and and a product that
more people consumed last year because of the relatives of
twenty twenty three. We've hired the manager, we're paying the manager.
We're paying the manager who's not here anymore. We might
need a few bucks to enhance the roster, not spend irresponsibly,
not become the Dodgers, not become the Yankees, although.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I think that would be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
But we want to spend this offseason making the roster better,
and the funds that we were going to use to
do that might not be there. So, you know, we've
got all these other owners who they never go to
and never ask anything from, who just continually and this
is not a criticism, but continually just make money off

(01:04:39):
their ownership of the team.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
It's called a capital call.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Make one one time, one capitol call. Hey, we have
this TV situation that has us in a place where
we have to take some dramatic measures, and we want
to try to win this year.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
And by the way, they can like this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Isn't taking a ninety six loss team and trying to
make it an eighty four loss team. It's trying to
take a team that's got a good young core, a
lot of promise with their starting pitchers, and just hired
a soon to be Hall of Fame manager.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Don't don't, don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Show a willingness to kind of step out of your
comfort zone and call some of those other investors and say, hey, look,
we'd like to try to win this year. We don't
want to have to do this, but because of our
TV situation, it's kind of a necessity. Pretty simple stuff.
Quarter to five, five point three, seven, four nine, fifteen
thirty is our phone number.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
We are guest free.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Until five point twenty today. Do not get mad at
Jamar Chase this offseason. Do not get mad at Jamar
Chase when he does what I think we all know
he's gonna do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
And also, don't envy the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Don't don't envy them to the point of hatred, envy
them to the point of doing something else. I'll tell
you what that something else is coming up in the
five o'clock hour. We're at Buffalo Wild, Wings and Blue
Mash on ESPN fifteen already Cincinnati Sports Stage. Here's a
nothing right now being a Cleveland Cavaliers are gonna win
them all, not just at all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
It's a ten away from five. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
We're broadcasting from Buffalo wildweks here in Blue Ash, Glendale,
Milford Road. Moments from I seventy one, We've got the
Bengals cooler. We have like a gigantic stack of Bengals
cups thanks to our friends.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
At bud Light.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
We've got a bud Light Bengals Nike golf hoodie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
You cannot beat it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
You cannot win any of that stuff unless you are here.
We've got some more Bengal stuff to get to coming
up in the five o'clock hour. And a college basketball
thought as well. I'm not picking on Ohio State fans
because of the new kickoff thing. Like I just we've

(01:06:53):
I think we've we've as sports fans. We've we've watched
as leagues of capitulated to television networks and you know, again,
like I'm the first to tell you, I think it'd
be awesome if when an NFL schedule comes out that
the times and the dates don't change it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
It'd be awesome. I'd say that as.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Somebody who's whose weekends revolve around when those games are
going to be, but I also have a daughter and
a family and other obligations, Like it'd be great if
you can kind of put in your calendar, Okay, this
game is going to be at four twenty five on Sunday,
and it's not gonna move.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
That would be great. That's not the world that we're in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Flex scheduling exists, and games get moved because of the
amount of money the television networks pay for these games,
and the NFL has prioritized the television dollars, and like
as a ticket buyer and as somebody who you know
doesn't love having to move stuff around, like I get
like this this Sunday Bengals play the Chargers. Personally, I'm

(01:07:58):
doing the pregame show on Sunday Day, I've got a
station appearance, and then I was gonna have something to
do on Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
That now gets thrown out the door.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Like I don't like it, but I get it right
with the money that NBC is paying for the NFL,
if they're stuck with a bad game, they should go
and pick a game that is more to their liking.
And I'm sure CBS protected Buffalo KCS to the next
best game was Cincinnati and Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
The same thing applies in college.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
What's funny, though, is college sports fans love to get
excited about the money that their school is going to
get from a TV network and what it's going to
mean for recruiting and what it's going to mean for facilities.
You can't get excited about that stuff and then not
understand that there's payment on the back end, and that
payment could be something as simple as putting the game

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at noon. Like I am sure Ohio State has benefited
tremendously athletically and otherwise from the money it's getting as
part of its The Big Tens deal with Fox comes
with a cost, and the cost is the games have
to be played at a time that maybe isn't convenient
for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
But I've heard the same from UC fans, and I've
heard the same from Penn State fans, and this is
just the world that we are in. And by the way,
the better the program, the better the team, the more
you're going to have to pay the price. Nobody cares
about moving ECU football. Nobody cares when Northwestern games are.
Nobody's making a big deal about when Minnesota games are.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
The NFL. It's the same thing Chiefs fans to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
We don't have to, but Chiefs fans are games are
going to be played on Christmas this year on a Wednesday.
There's a competitive disadvantage there, but there's also like I
gotta get Netflix if I want to watch this Chiefs game,
like it just the better. Nobody's worrying about where nobody's
flexing Carolina Panthers games.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Nobody's moving them into.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
The slots that are most desirable, Like it or not,
the noon slot on Fox for that network is most desirable.
We'll get to our poll results coming up here just
a bit. But first, remember what Jamar Chase did last summer.
Remember what he did, Remember it this offseason, and yeah,

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Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
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We are broadcasting this afternoon from Buffalo Wild Wings in
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We've got some Bengal cheerleaders in the house. We are
still giving away a Bengals hoodie, a Nike Golf Bengals
hoodie thanks to bud Light and the Bengals cooler, which
is awesome. I've had folks that have come to Buffalo
Wild Wings who have tried to win the cooler and

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we give one. The way we do it is if
the Bengals have a home game the upcoming week, we
give away Bengals tickets. If the Bengals are on the road,
which they are on Sunday, we give away one of
these coolers. And so we've given away a bunch so
far year. The Bengals have played four road games, so
we've had four coolers. And we had one instance where
a gentleman didn't win a cooler and like offered to

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buy it and was like up to like one hundred
and twenty bucks to the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Dude who did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
So you might win the cooler and then you could
sell it, I don't know, or use it because it's
an awesome cooler. You can't win it if you're not
here coming out to a Buffalo Wild Wings minutes away
from I seventy one the Fifer Road exit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
This is a Buffalo Wild Wings.

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When I lived in Sharonville, I came to all the time.
And I know I've talked before clinch Miss Night twenty
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Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Sean Sayad from Asumer Sports is going to join us.
Tony and I touched on this a little bit yesterday.
Jamar Chase is having an unbelievable season. Leads the league
in yards, receptions and touchdown receptions, and he is doing
this mere months after engaging the Bengals in negotiations that
didn't work. Now, I respect to hallet On, Mike Florio,

(01:13:45):
I follow his website, I watch his show. I don't
know how much to put into how contentious or tough
the negotiations got between the Bengals and Jamar Chase. Here's
what I know. A new deal didn't get done and
happened since his Jamar is blown up. He's having an
unbelievable season. Jamar is having a year that could put

(01:14:05):
him squarely in the conversation to be the NFL's Offensive
Player of the Year. Not gonna be MVP because that
always has to go to a quarterback for some reason.
But he's having this sort of season that could result
in him winning Offensive Player of the Year. What happens

(01:14:27):
if that happens? Like Jamar did, the Bengals have favor
this past off season. As as much as you might
not have liked how he did it, and as much
as you might not have liked the day in day out,
is he gonna practice? Is he dressed for practice? Is
he gonna play?

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
As exhausting as that guy?

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
He came to the Bengals and said, I want a
new deal. Let's get the deal done now before I
go out, ball out and have an ecit optional season,
because if I do, then the asking price is going
to go up. And by many accounts, they agreed on
the terms. They agreed on the dollar amount. I guess

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the terms they didn't agree on were the guarantees. Getting
a deal done with Tea might have been difficult, too
difficult for the Bengals to do that. They walked away
and said, we're not going to continue this. Has it
gotten any easier since he's had the season that he
has had so far? And look, his production may drop
off to a degree it's almost impossible to expect him

(01:15:34):
to keep producing at the level that he has, but
it's not going to drop off the degree that suddenly
the asking price is going to go down. So this offseason,
if suddenly the asking price goes up, and if suddenly
Jamar becomes a little bit more difficult to deal with,
don't get mad at him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Uh oh man. He tried to make it easy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Hey, look, sign now, let's get this done now, because
guess what, I am the best wide receiver in the sport.
And if I prove that this year, the asking price
is gonna go up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
He maybe didn't say that public lead, didn't come out
and state that, but that, to me was always the
implied message, Right, hey, get it done now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
If you don't get it done now, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Watch me go out there and lead the league in
a bunch of stuff Like what happens if what he's
doing now turns out to be what he does when
the season's over.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Right, wins the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Triple crown, leads the league in receptions, leads the league
in yards, scores more touchdowns than anybody. What happens if
he leads the league in one of those categories? What
happens if his play is the primary reason why they
make the postseason? What happens if he's his play is
the primary reason why they win in the postseason? Then

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what's the asking price? I think Jamar Chase isn't gonna
ask for forty million dollars or maybe more so. I
heard it this offseason a lot of folks chose to
take sides, and like, my side was, look, Jamar's a
great player, You're gonna get it done. Why wait, let's
go ahead and get this done now. Well, since you
didn't do that, you kind of put yourself organizationally at

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the mercy of the player having a great year. What
has happened, Jamar's had a great year. Think the asking
price is gonna go down. Think he's gonna become suddenly
easier to negotiate with. Like no, So don't get mad
at Jamar Man because it's coming. It's if this pace continues,
it's coming now. He made it easy. He could not

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have made it easier for them. Let's go ahead, let's
get the deal done, let's pay me now, give me
the guaranteed money. Now, let's figure out a way to
make this work now, because we can revisit this. But
some stuff can happen. And by the way, by the way,
let's say the opposite happened and Jamar struggles with injury,
or he doesn't have a very good year, or I mean,

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Burton blows up in the offense and suddenly Jamar is
maybe not as important. Do we think the Bengals change
their approach. Of course they do, and they would be
within their rights. We're gonna hold it against Jamar if
he changes his approach when the opposite has happened.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
It's coming. Bengals blew this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Sorry, they blew this. You're gonna sign them anyway, So
you didn't. And now he's had a better year than
he's ever had before. Now you're gonna have to pay
him even more. Great work. Don't get mad at Jamar
when he exposes this quarter after five pole question, because
everybody's all big mad, big mad at big noon kickoff

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up there in Columbus, Ohio State's got to play a
game against Indiana at noon.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
And this has become a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
I don't recall a time where we were so adverse
to noon kickoffs, which have been around forever. So I'm
trying to get at the point. This is the closest
four way poll question we've ever had. What's so bad
about noon kickoffs? Hey hurts alcohol consumption, which I think
is the primary answer here. B gets in the way
of family activities, which I can relate to. C Hard

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to be loud and excited at such an early hour.
I don't really relate to that. Or D the helmets
look cool when they sparkle under the lights, which doesn't
happen at twelve o'clock right now. How about this, B
gets in the way of family activities twenty six point
two percent. A hurts alcohol consumption twenty five point five percent.

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D the helmets look cool when they sparkle under the
lights twenty four point eight percent. C. Hard to be
loud and excited at such an early hour twenty three
point five percent. Closest pole question we have ever had.
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Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Right twenty two after five o'clock.

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Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
It's good to have you. As always.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I attended the game in Baltimore, and it was gruesome
watching the Bengals on defense, especially in the last quarter
and a half. How bad was it on film?

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
Mo?

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
It was?

Speaker 8 (01:20:46):
It was definitely a rough watch on film. But even
though when I think about it more and more.

Speaker 9 (01:20:50):
It feels like the way the Ravens and Lamar Jackson
were playing, I don't know if I know it was
going to stop that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:20:55):
You think of that first, like those first few drives,
and you get a lot of success from the Bengals defense,
and of course the Ravens kind of causing themselves some problems.
And as I just think about this unit going forward,
where I mean, they still absolutely have a chance to
make that wild card spot.

Speaker 8 (01:21:10):
But on the defensive end, if you're just.

Speaker 9 (01:21:12):
Not as talented as some of the units you're gonna play,
you've got to lean into some craziness. You're gonna have
to start sending some blitzes. You're gonna have to be
get a little bit irresponsible. I can maybe force a turnover,
just create some sort of splash play, because when your
offense is rolling the way it is, it's just two
or three plays that can hopefully help you get a win.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Can can you help explain to me why it makes
sense to take Mike Helton off the field on third down,
especially close to the goal line.

Speaker 9 (01:21:38):
You know, Mike Helton is an awesome slot player, and
I think that he's so underappreciated because he's not an
outside cornerback, you know, and you see these cornerbacks make
big plays.

Speaker 8 (01:21:48):
That's what people want to see, that's what people love.

Speaker 9 (01:21:50):
But a guy who is so happy to fit the
run as well, like you could maybe intellectualize it and think,
all right, well, the Bengals, Like, if you want to
get him off the field if you want to get
a bigger body on the field. But for me, Hilton
is such a plus because he wants to defend to run,
and I think against the Ravens offense, where of course
the Ravens.

Speaker 8 (01:22:06):
As you saw, they want to get big on you.
They want to be able to push you around a
little bit outside of just passing the ball. So so
it's it's a tough situation.

Speaker 9 (01:22:14):
Because it feels like, you know, whichever way you go
with Hilon on the field, or are you trying and
bring a linebacker like the Ravens are still gonna I
think find a way to score.

Speaker 8 (01:22:21):
Onelamore Jacksons play like that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
So the other one and you know, Lou and or Rumo,
the defensive coordinator, was asked about this. Miles Murphy has,
I don't like the word bust. I think it's way
too early. But I think relative to what a lot
of us we're hoping for, he hasn't been that productive
and he hasn't been seeing the field all that much.
And Lou was asked about that and he goes, well,
Joseph Osai is playing well.

Speaker 7 (01:22:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
When you watch the Bengals critically do you see Joseph
Osai doing anything special?

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
I mean, it's not a standing out in a way
that would be uh, hey, we take on the field,
and I don't want to rag on the guy in
any sort of way, but yeah, I think.

Speaker 9 (01:23:00):
When you look at Osaia in some of his just
how he's been as a rusher, it's not like we
can't get the other guy on the field. So I
just wonder if there's something further than that, because Murphy
is a player that you point to and look at
it and say, hey, maybe he's just deserve more snaps.
I'm pretty sure he has the highest pressure rate amongst
some of those guys. So if he has a good
rate statistic, let's get a more volume. Let's see he

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can extend it. Because again, you're just looking for a
few splash plays, and if he has literally one of
them a game in him, I kind of don't care
about a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:23:29):
Of the other snaps.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
So the game comes down to a two point conversion.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Let me start with that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I mean, you're a smart guy. I'm yelling go for two,
but I do understand the argument for not going for two.
I'm glad they did what they did. I wish there
would have been a different outcome. Are you team go
for two or team kicked the pat So I am.

Speaker 8 (01:23:52):
Team go for two.

Speaker 9 (01:23:53):
I will say I think there is a good argument
against it in that there's thirty eight seconds left that
Ravens have two timeouts.

Speaker 8 (01:23:58):
If you get that to playing conversion, you're now up
by one.

Speaker 9 (01:24:02):
Obviously, the Rivens are going to get the ball back
and they're gonna be just fully aggressive. They're gonna play
with all four of their downs. They're gonna go ahead
and attack.

Speaker 8 (01:24:09):
The ball down the field.

Speaker 9 (01:24:11):
And I don't know, do you trust the Bengals defense
to guard just a few yards where Justin Tucks can
of course kick from so far out. To me, I
just I'm just not sure how you look at players
in the eyes.

Speaker 8 (01:24:20):
And not go for two in that situation.

Speaker 9 (01:24:22):
So I do really like that situation where you're trying
your best, of course, to be the last team to
make a decision. And I think that I'm okay with
the decision now when we look at the play itself, like,
you know, you got Jamar Chase isolated on the outside,
maybe not, you know, having just like multiple ways to
get open.

Speaker 8 (01:24:38):
Of course, there's a potential holding penalty on that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:40):
But from a decision making perspective itself, I am good
with the go but there's there's a reasonable argument against
it when you look at like all the psychology of
the other team and how they approach it.

Speaker 8 (01:24:51):
I just think, like, Hey, your offense is rolling. I
think you're gonna be able to get that. You as
much as you can. You want to make it so
you don't have to worry too much about your defense.
They would get the ball back.

Speaker 9 (01:25:01):
But from a decision perspective, like it's hard for me
to fallse over aggressiveness.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah, I wanted them to go for it because you know,
to me, it's maybe not simple. But my thinking was,
if if I go for two and make it, I
have to stop them one time on defense. If I
go for two and don't make it number one, I
might not ever get the foot. If I go for
one and kick the pat and we go to overtime,
I might not ever get the ball again, and I

(01:25:27):
have to play defense to force overtime, and then I
might have to play defense again in overtime. I wouldn't
trust the Bengals defensively to do that. Let me ask
you a question, and this has less to do with
the Bengals and more just about the league. Two point
conversions have typically been about of fifty to fifty play
sometimes in a certain year slightly below sometimes slightly above.

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Successful or successful two point conversions are down this year.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Why is that.

Speaker 9 (01:25:55):
I think the defenses are more comfortable dealing with those
type spaces and you see it even in the middle
of the field where they're going to play these zone
coverages where you're really.

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
Forcing quarterbacks to be just perfect in how they're doing it.

Speaker 9 (01:26:08):
And I think even outside of the two points and
version you can see in the red zone when space
is condensed, offenses are having a tougher time. I think
a little bit of that comes down to, like you're
gonna lean on an isolated matchup like you have to.
I think when you're the Bengals in that situation, I
mean it's one of those like, hey, the balls going
to Dabar Taper is going and no one is what
you're kind of hoping for in that situation. But defenses

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know that, so they can find ways, even when it's
just a two yard kind of difference to create some
sort of double team or you're able to you know,
deal with the run inside.

Speaker 7 (01:26:37):
So when you think.

Speaker 9 (01:26:37):
About those specific situations, offenses want to turn to their
best players. But you know, if you don't have that
second really good receiver, it just makes it a little
bit more difficult for the offense.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Uh Sean side is with us sumer sports dot Com
the Chargers. I remember kind of thickening this back in July.
I wish the Bengals were playing them in September. I
don't want to have to play them in November. I
really don't want to have to play them in November
if it's a game that the Bengals absolutely have to win.
Walk me through the evolution of the Chargers from the

(01:27:08):
beginning of the season to where we are going in
the week eleven.

Speaker 9 (01:27:12):
The Chargers have been interesting to watch over time because
you think about it, obviously they have Justin Herbert. They're
trying to rebuild this program in so many different ways,
and Justin Herbert he is so so good.

Speaker 8 (01:27:23):
But to me, it starts with their defense.

Speaker 9 (01:27:25):
Their defense has been excellent, and in the three game
Winter they've showed up constantly where they do a really
good job just in their zone coverage. Like when you
watch the Bengals in zone coverage, they're just dropping the spot,
sort of turning into the quarterback.

Speaker 8 (01:27:37):
But the Chargers are going to match these routes.

Speaker 9 (01:27:39):
They're going to pass things off to each other, They're
going to be really sophisticated how they're doing that, and
then attack you with some complicated pressure. So I think
that the defensive unit, even if it's not the most
talented unit, they're so well coached and playing at such
a high level. Where then on the offensive end, where
they've had struggles, it's certainly at different points. I think
they want to pose themselves as and have your run team.

(01:28:00):
The offense is gonna move as justin Herbert moves. Do
I think he really had a chip on his shoulder.
I think he's shown a lot of attitude in a
good way where he'll run you over, He'll he'll juke
you out. He's gonna make some insane throws and look,
some of them are gonna end up as drops. And
I think that that can be something that at the
Bengals are able to take advantage of. But they have
such a high ceiling because of that quarterback under center.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
No question about that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Sean sayed stats and Scheme podcast and Monday morning mashup
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Thanks so much.

Speaker 8 (01:28:30):
Thanks he always appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
You got it twenty nine away from six o'clock. Follow
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We we've got We've got folks signing up for the cooler.
We've got folks signing up for the Bengals hoodie. We've
got the you just get a cup. We're giving away cups.

(01:28:52):
We've got some Bengal cheerleaders here. We had a conversation
off air about their vocations that aren't cheerleading and that
was interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
And we have a lot of ground tocover. We have
sports headlines.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
We've got a lot. We've got a lot going on here.
I'm talking about the Chiefs. Are the new Cardinals Next,
ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Xavier's home trying to make it three straight wins, hosting
Jackson Stink tonight. That game tips off at eight thirty
and you'll hear it live on seven hundred WLW. I

(01:29:41):
was just looking at Xavier schedule. Their next game is
on Saturday against wake Forest.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
It tips off at noon? Is that okay? Is that alright?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Is our college basketball games at noon?

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Xavier fans gonna get all angry like college football fans
do the games at noon? Gets wake Forest? Also tonight
nine o'clock tip off. Now it's a late night game,
Is this okay? Kentucky and Duke or tipping off at
nine and actually gonna tip off, you know, probably closer
to nine thirty Tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty. Game two

(01:30:22):
of the Champions Classic. Also tonight, Miami takes on Maryland
Eastern Short MKU Coaching Show tonight six o'clock on ESPN
fifteen thirty. Scott Sadafield Show Tonight eight pm on Fox
Sports thirteen sixty. You seez Junior or you see Junior
Dan Skillings had a what they're calling a successful minor
procedure on his knee, had the procedure yesterday. Availability being

(01:30:45):
determined on a week by week basis moving forward. I've
heard folks whose opinion I trust say two to three weeks.
I've had folks whose opinion I trust say four weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Here's what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
I'm gonna assume this is just me and I hope
I'm wrong, because I hope the timeline is accelerated. I'm
just gonna assume Dan doesn't play in the non conference
portion of the schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Like this is in the night.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
They've got three true road games. They're gonna go on
the road to play MKU. They go to Villanova, they
go to Georgia Tech. Obviously the Skuy like Chili Crosstown
shootout wombs, and if you're a Bearcat fan, you're waiting
for your team to finally win that game. Dan can
do a little bit of everything, but they were decidedly
different right now, at least a decidedly different rebounding team
when Dan's not on the floor, and I think you

(01:31:30):
saw that in their game on Friday Night. There's also
something and this is maybe a little irrational, and as
fans we can be a little irrational, where early injuries
often seem to foreshadow the season not going as we
had hoped. Now, I think the Bearcats are a tournament team.

(01:31:53):
I think the Bearcats have a chance to win games
in the Big Twelve. I think they have a chance
to have a really good season. I love everything I've
seen from this bunch so far, how they've defended, how
they have shot, how they've taken care of the basketball.
But they've played two games and they've had three injuries
dayde Thomas. Things feel like they're moving in the right

(01:32:15):
direction with him, Tyler McKinley, who's obviously not going to
play this year now, Dan Skillings, and regardless of the sport,
if you're a fan of a team, you know what
it's like when you know what there's a really, really
early injury and it just seems to foreshadow there being
a bunch of them. I use the example before with
Tony and Austin Marvin Jones getting hurt on the first

(01:32:35):
day of training camp in twenty thirteen, and that ended
up being a season that was kind of partially just
defined by or twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
I'm sorry just kind of partially.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Defined by injury, right, So many guys got hurt that year,
so much so that they were playing with like, you know, dudes.
They pulled off the street in the playoffs out wide
against against the Indianapolis Colts. Hopefully that's not the case,
but as a Bearcat fan, I kind of have that
nagging feeling I've done this three times and the pivot

(01:33:06):
gets clumsier every single time.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Just awful news.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Twenty two year old Marco and Gulo, an FC Cincinnati
player who was on loan to a club in Ecuador,
passed away last night after a battle with injury sustained
in an auto accident just about a month ago in Ecuador.
He has survived by his wife and a young son,
again just twenty two years old. Hockey this morning, the

(01:33:31):
Cyclones played Kalamazoo, lost in overtime three to two in
front of more than thirteen and a half thousand people.
And hockey tonight, the Blue Jackets trying to break a
five game losing streak through on the road against Seattle.
The cracking the Cracker, Seattle crack him. I don't know
if Fox Sports thirteen sixty is carrying that game. I

(01:33:53):
guess we'll all find out together. How about the Cardinals.
Cardinals were good for years and years and years years,
and you would hear about the Cardinal way, and at
least around here people would get really mad and really
jealous and really resentful. I'm not sure we ever went

(01:34:15):
down the road of well it's fixed, Cardinals games are fixed.
But my take after a while was stop getting resentful,
stop getting jealous. Hope the Reds can emulate. By the way,
when did the Reds, for the first time in the
history of the National League Central close the gap between
themselves and the Cardinals when they hired the guy from

(01:34:36):
the Cardinals, Walt Chockety. I watched the Kansas City Chiefs.
You can attribute all their success to Patrick Mahomes, and
obviously he has taken them to another level. Do you
know what the Chiefs were in the four seasons leading
up to trading up to draft Patrick Mahomes in the

(01:34:58):
twenty seventeen draft.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Let's work backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Twelve and four, eleven and five, nine and seven, and
eleven and five. They made the playoffs in three of
those four years. They had a program, a winning program,
a program that worked, a well run organization's a Hall
of Fame coach, a good team. Then they added to
it with their quarterback. But the point being is that's

(01:35:23):
been a really well run organization, a really good team
for quite a long time. This year they're undefeated. I
was asked to work today. Are they the worst nine
and O team ever? I don't know another than twenty
twenty Steelers. I remember they were. I think they started
ten to zero. I was pretty underwhelmed by them. They
lost four of their last five, flamed out in the postseason,

(01:35:45):
at one point lost a game to Ryan Finley.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Here's what I could tell you. I would rather be
the worst nine and o team ever than the best
four and six team ever. Forget about how the league
is fixed. Chiefs games are fix. They've got the refs
in their back pocket. How about this, expand your scouting department.
Hire someone from the Chiefs. Next time you've got a

(01:36:09):
coaching staff opening, hire someone from the Chiefs. Like the
best way to achieve the same success as another organization
is to borrow from that organization in some respects emulate them.
By the way, the Bengals have a peer, a Patrick
Mahomes peer in Joe Burrow what does that organization do

(01:36:29):
differently that they haven't seemed to master here? You know,
in a way, it's kind of remarkable what the Bengals
we say all the time, like what Joe Burrow can
cover up all their cracks. Joe is having his best season.
The cracks have been revealed. They whiffed in free agency
in this past offseason. They haven't drafted very well on defense.
The roster has a lot of different holes.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
It's not very good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
In Kansas City. Patrick Mahomes is having, by his standards,
a pedestrian season, not even close to as good as
Joe Burrow. This year, they haven't lost a game. If
you think that's because Roger Goodell is scripting the games
or the Chiefs have the refs in their back pocket,
I'm sorry that's not the case. They've got a well
run organization, Hall of Fame coach, great defensive coordinator, very

(01:37:17):
well run scouting department, general manager who gets you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
I try to see what I could grab from that
organization that has worked for a very long time and
apply here. I used to get frustrated with Reds fans
that would get mad at the Cardinal Way tired of
hearing about the Cardinal Way. I'm tired of them always
winning at the Reds expense. Maybe there's something to hew.

(01:37:43):
They do things that we could grab here, pull here,
emulate here. It doesn't apply to the Bengals and Chiefs
like this year would show you as much. Patrick Mahomes
is still great and still take them on your team.
But they're winning because of their defense, their roster. They
win a game on special teams on a block kick

(01:38:04):
to end the game on Sunday. They've drafted well, they
have good coaching staff, They've remade their defense. In recent years.
They've had secondary deficiencies, they get cleaned up quickly. They've
had offensive line deficiencies, they get cleaned up quickly. On
one level, I get why you resent it. It's not
your team. I think it's to be admired. I also

(01:38:26):
think it's to be copper. What do they do there
that they can't quite do here or don't quite do here?
Is there a way to emulate? Is there a way
to borrow? Is there a way to steal? Instead of
asking is the NFL fixed? I was asked that when
I came to work today by somebody. NFL's not fixed.

(01:38:48):
NFL's not out to help the Chiefs win. They don't
have the refs in their back pocket. They have an
organization that the rest should aspire to, should be borrowing
from and stealing from.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
That's what we should be asking. What can the.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Bengals and other teams take from an organization that was
winning before Mahomes got there and is winning when he's
not having his best season. It's twelve away from six o'clock, Tara,
how much time do we have? We have two minutes, Mike.
You can have those two minutes. It has been forever
since I've heard your voice.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
What's up?

Speaker 10 (01:39:25):
Very good to listen all. I'm back in at home
and in my hometown and might be one of my
laps here, but I'll piss off my own college just
because guess what happened when I die? You didn't want
me to come in and pray the money with it?
As I got here? What I do? I hit the
skyline and the punt station. Next day's almost hit that

(01:39:46):
Sam and are growing up.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
I'm I'm glad that you're you're in town, and I'm
glad you've been able to travel, and I'm happy to
hear your voice, and I wish I had more time
for you today. I'm sure you're still on a high
from your Dodgers winning the World Series. What else is fine?
I want?

Speaker 10 (01:40:06):
Well quick, it's it's a Bagels offensive one. Now we
spend some money on that offensive life, correct?

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Sure? Yeah, a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Or Lando Brown wasn't cheap, and and Alex cap and
Ted Carriss weren't cheap, and Lele Collins was in cheap.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
None of those.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
The Trent Brown wasn't cheap. They spent some money on it.

Speaker 10 (01:40:25):
And we'll ranked twenty six or twenty seven. Not good,
not good. Poor Joe. I feel sorry for him. Okay,
I have some other stuff that you gotta get calling. Well,
I'm really excited about me. This is going to be
the most exciting collective nca basketball season in this city
for the last fifteen years. Minimum, don't you a great

(01:40:47):
I am so excited about the Vager and up I
can't stand it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
I don't know that I go fifteen years, but I
think it has a chance to be really, really good,
and I think we have more than a good chance
to have both. You see Exavier in the NCAA Tournament
at the same time for the first time since twenty eighteen. Mike,
it's great to hear your voice. Perhaps we can chat
again later this week.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
We are done.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
We're at Buffalo Wild Wings in Westchester next week. We
thank the staff here at the Buffalo Wild Wings and
Blue Ash for their hospitality.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Today.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Thank our Bengal cheerleaders, Mike Mills for producing on site,
Tarren Blant for producing back and Ken with the NKU
Coaches Show is coming up next.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
We'll talk to you tomorrow in studio.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
This has been about like five o'clock Happy hour on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
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