November 12, 2024 • 8 mins
Shawn Syed of Sumer Sports and the Stats and Scheme podcast broke down the Bengals/Ravens film, discussed the decision to go for two toward the end of the game in Baltimore, and talked about whether the Chargers are any good.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've conned my guys Sean Sayat into joining US Summer
Sports dot Com, the Stats and Skiing podcast, the Monday
Morning mash Up column, and very smart man.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
At Sayaed schemes.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's good to have you as always.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Uh. I attended the game in Baltimore, and it was
gruesome watching the Bengals on defense, especially in the last
quarter and a half. How bad was it on film?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
MO?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It was? It was definitely a rough watch on film.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But even when I think about it more and more,
it feels like the way the Ravens and Lamar Jackson
were playing, I don't know. I don't know if I
know it was gonna stop them. Then you think of
that first, like those first few drives, and you get
a lot of success from the Bengals defense, and of
course the Ravens kind of causing themselves some problems. And
as I just think about this unit going forward, where
I mean, they still absolutely have a chance to make
(00:49):
that wild card spot. But on the defensive end, if
you're just not as talented as some of the units
you're gonna play, you've got to lean into some craziness.
You're gonna have to start sending some blitzenes. You're gonna
have to be at a little bit. Youre responsible. I
can maybe force the turnover and just create some sort
of splash play, because when your.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Offense is rolling the way it is, it's just two
or three plays that can hopefully help you get a win.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Can can you help explain to me why it makes
sense to take Mike Helton off the field on third down,
especially close to the goal line.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You know, Mike Hilton is an awesome slot player, and
I think that he's so underappreciated because he's not an
outside cornerback, you know, and you see these cornerbacks make
big plays. That's what people want to see, that's what
people love. But a guy who is so happy to
fit the run as well, Like you could maybe intellectualize
it and think, all right, well, the Bengals, like if
you want to get him off the field, if you
want to get.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
A bigger body on the field.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
But for me, Hilton is such a plus because he
wants to defend the run, and I think against the
Ravens offense, where of course the Ravens, as you saw,
they want to get big on you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
They want to be able to push you around a
little bit outside of just passing the ball.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So it's a tough situation because it feels like, you know,
whichever way you go with Hilton on the field, or
you try and bring a line back, or like the
Ravens are still gonna I think find a way to
score one.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Lamore Jacksons play.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Like that, so the other one.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And you know, Lou and Arrumo, the defensive coordinator, was
asked about this. Miles Murphy has I don't like the
word bust. I think it's way too early. But I
think relative to what a lot of us we're hoping for,
he hasn't been that productive and he hasn't been seeing
the field all that much. And Lou was asked about
that and he goes, well, Joseph Osai is playing well. Uh,
(02:25):
when you watch the Bengals critically, do you see Joseph
Osai doing anything special?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I mean it's not standing out in a way that
would be uh.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Hey, we think Murphy on the field, and I don't
want to rag on the guy in any sort of way,
but yeah, I think when you look at Osaia in
some of his just how he's been as a rusher,
it's not like we can't get the other guy on
the field.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So I just wonder if there's.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Something further than that, because Murphy is a player that
you point to and look at and say, hey, maybe
he's just deserve more snaps. I'm pretty sure he has
the highest pressure rate amongst some of those guys.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
So if he has a good rate, let's get a
more volume. Let's sef he can extend it.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Because the game, you're just looking for a few splash plays,
and if he has.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Literally one of them, a game in him. I kind
of don't care about a lot of the other snaps.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So the game comes down to a two point conversion.
Let me start with that. I mean, you're a smart guy.
I'm yelling go for two. But I do understand the
argument for not going for two. I'm glad they did
what they did. I wish there would have been a
different outcome. Are you team go for two or team
kicked the pat.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
So I am team go for two. I will say
I think there is a good argument against.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It in that there's thirty eight seconds left, that Ravens
have two timeouts. If you get that two point conversion,
you're now up by one. Obviously, the Ravens are gonna
get the ball back, and they're gonna be just fully aggressive.
They're gonna play with all four of their downs. They're
gonna go ahead and attack the ball down the field.
And I don't know, do you trust the Bengals defense
to guard just a few yards where Justin Tuckins can
(03:57):
of course kick from so far out. To me, I
just I'm just sure how you look at players in
the eyes and not go for two in that situation.
So I do really like that situation where you're trying
your best, of course, to be the last team to
make a decision. And I think that I'm okay with
the decision now when we look at the play itself, like,
you know, you got Jamar Chase isolated on the outside,
maybe not, you know, having just like multiple ways to
(04:18):
get open. Of course, there's a potential holding penalty on that,
But from a decision making perspective itself, I am good
with the go but there's there's a reasonable argument against
it when you look at like all the psychology of
the other team and how they approach it. I just think, like, hey,
your offense is rolling. I think you're gonna be able
to get that you as much as you can. You
want to make it so you don't have to worry
(04:39):
too much about your defense. Obviously they would get the
ball back. But from a decision perspective, like it's hard
for me to faalse over aggressiveness.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, I wanted them to go for it because you know,
to me it's it's maybe not simple, but my my
thinking was, if if I go for two and make it,
I have to stop them one time on defense. If
I go for two in and don't make it number one,
I might not ever get the foot. If I go
for one and kick the pat and we go to overtime,
I might not ever get the ball again, and I
(05:08):
have to play defense to force overtime, and then I
might have to play defense again in overtime. I wouldn't
trust the Bengals defensively to do that. Let me ask
you a question, and this has less to do with
the Bengals and more just about the league.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Two point conversions.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Have typically been about of fifty to fifty play, sometimes
in a certain year slightly below sometimes slightly above. Successful
or successful two point conversions are down this year.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think the defenses are more comfortable dealing with those
type spaces, and you see it even in the middle
of the field where they're going to play these zone
coverages where you're really forcing quarterbacks to be just perfect
in how they're doing it. And I think even outside
of the two point conversion you can see in the
red zone when space is condensed, offenses are having a
tougher time. I think a little bit of that comes
(05:57):
down to, like you're gonna lean on an isolated.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Matchup like you have to.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think when you're the Bengals in that situation, I
mean it's one of those like, hey, the ball is
going to Damarkaesler is going and no one is what
you're kind.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Of hoping for in that situation.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But defense is known that, so they can find ways,
even when it's just a two yard kind of difference,
to create some sort of double team or you're able to,
you know, deal with the run inside. So when you
think about those specific situations, offenses want to turn to
their best players, but you know, if you don't have
that second really good receiver, it just makes it a
little bit more difficult for the offense.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
UH Sean Saide is with us sumer sports dot Com
the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I remember kind of thickening this.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Back in July. I wish the Bengals were playing them
in September. I don't want to have to play them
in November. I really don't want to have to play
them in November if it's a game that the Bengals
absolutely have to win. Walk me through the evolution of
the Chargers from the beginning of the season to where
we are going into Week eleven.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The Chargers have been interesting to watch over time because
you think about it, obviously they have justin Herbert. They're
trying to rebuild this program in so many different ways,
and justin Herbert he is so so good. But to me,
it starts with their defense. Their defense has been excellent,
and in the three and winter they've showed up constantly
where they do a really good job just in their
zone coverage. Like when you watch the Bengals in zone coverage,
(07:15):
they're just dropping the spot sort of turning to the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
But the Chargers are going to match these routes.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They're gonna pass things off to each other, they're gonna
be really sophisticated in how they're doing that, and then
attack you with some complicated pressure. So I think that
the defensive unit, even if it's not the most talented unit,
they're so well coached and playing at such a high level.
Where then on the offensive end, where they've had struggles,
it's certainly at different points. I think they want to
like pose themselves as to have your run team, but
(07:40):
the offense is going to move as justin Herbert moves.
So I think he really had a chip on his shoulder.
I think he's shown a lot of attitude in a
good way where he'll run you over, He'll he'll juke
you out. He's gonna make some insane throws and look,
some of them are gonna end up as drops, and
I think that that can.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Be something at the Bengals are able to take advantage of.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
But they have such a high feeling because of that
quarterback under center.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
No question about that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Sean sai Ed Stats and Scheme podcast and Monday morning
mashupcolumn suomer Sports dot Com.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You're the man. Appreciate it as always, Thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Thanks it always not appreciative
I've conned my guys Sean Sayat into joining US Summer
Sports dot Com, the Stats and Skiing podcast, the Monday
Morning mash Up column, and very smart man.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
At Sayaed schemes.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's good to have you as always.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Uh. I attended the game in Baltimore, and it was
gruesome watching the Bengals on defense, especially in the last
quarter and a half. How bad was it on film?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
MO?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
It was? It was definitely a rough watch on film.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
But even when I think about it more and more,
it feels like the way the Ravens and Lamar Jackson
were playing, I don't know. I don't know if I
know it was gonna stop them. Then you think of
that first, like those first few drives, and you get
a lot of success from the Bengals defense, and of
course the Ravens kind of causing themselves some problems. And
as I just think about this unit going forward, where
I mean, they still absolutely have a chance to make
(00:49):
that wild card spot. But on the defensive end, if
you're just not as talented as some of the units
you're gonna play, you've got to lean into some craziness.
You're gonna have to start sending some blitzenes. You're gonna
have to be at a little bit. Youre responsible. I
can maybe force the turnover and just create some sort
of splash play, because when your.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Offense is rolling the way it is, it's just two
or three plays that can hopefully help you get a win.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Can can you help explain to me why it makes
sense to take Mike Helton off the field on third down,
especially close to the goal line.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You know, Mike Hilton is an awesome slot player, and
I think that he's so underappreciated because he's not an
outside cornerback, you know, and you see these cornerbacks make
big plays. That's what people want to see, that's what
people love. But a guy who is so happy to
fit the run as well, Like you could maybe intellectualize
it and think, all right, well, the Bengals, like if
you want to get him off the field, if you
want to get.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
A bigger body on the field.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
But for me, Hilton is such a plus because he
wants to defend the run, and I think against the
Ravens offense, where of course the Ravens, as you saw,
they want to get big on you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
They want to be able to push you around a
little bit outside of just passing the ball.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So it's a tough situation because it feels like, you know,
whichever way you go with Hilton on the field, or
you try and bring a line back, or like the
Ravens are still gonna I think find a way to
score one.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Lamore Jacksons play.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Like that, so the other one.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And you know, Lou and Arrumo, the defensive coordinator, was
asked about this. Miles Murphy has I don't like the
word bust. I think it's way too early. But I
think relative to what a lot of us we're hoping for,
he hasn't been that productive and he hasn't been seeing
the field all that much. And Lou was asked about
that and he goes, well, Joseph Osai is playing well. Uh,
(02:25):
when you watch the Bengals critically, do you see Joseph
Osai doing anything special?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I mean it's not standing out in a way that
would be uh.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Hey, we think Murphy on the field, and I don't
want to rag on the guy in any sort of way,
but yeah, I think when you look at Osaia in
some of his just how he's been as a rusher,
it's not like we can't get the other guy on
the field.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So I just wonder if there's.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Something further than that, because Murphy is a player that
you point to and look at and say, hey, maybe
he's just deserve more snaps. I'm pretty sure he has
the highest pressure rate amongst some of those guys.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
So if he has a good rate, let's get a
more volume. Let's sef he can extend it.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Because the game, you're just looking for a few splash plays,
and if he has.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Literally one of them, a game in him. I kind
of don't care about a lot of the other snaps.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So the game comes down to a two point conversion.
Let me start with that. I mean, you're a smart guy.
I'm yelling go for two. But I do understand the
argument for not going for two. I'm glad they did
what they did. I wish there would have been a
different outcome. Are you team go for two or team
kicked the pat.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
So I am team go for two. I will say
I think there is a good argument against.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It in that there's thirty eight seconds left, that Ravens
have two timeouts. If you get that two point conversion,
you're now up by one. Obviously, the Ravens are gonna
get the ball back, and they're gonna be just fully aggressive.
They're gonna play with all four of their downs. They're
gonna go ahead and attack the ball down the field.
And I don't know, do you trust the Bengals defense
to guard just a few yards where Justin Tuckins can
(03:57):
of course kick from so far out. To me, I
just I'm just sure how you look at players in
the eyes and not go for two in that situation.
So I do really like that situation where you're trying
your best, of course, to be the last team to
make a decision. And I think that I'm okay with
the decision now when we look at the play itself, like,
you know, you got Jamar Chase isolated on the outside,
maybe not, you know, having just like multiple ways to
(04:18):
get open. Of course, there's a potential holding penalty on that,
But from a decision making perspective itself, I am good
with the go but there's there's a reasonable argument against
it when you look at like all the psychology of
the other team and how they approach it. I just think, like, hey,
your offense is rolling. I think you're gonna be able
to get that you as much as you can. You
want to make it so you don't have to worry
(04:39):
too much about your defense. Obviously they would get the
ball back. But from a decision perspective, like it's hard
for me to faalse over aggressiveness.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, I wanted them to go for it because you know,
to me it's it's maybe not simple, but my my
thinking was, if if I go for two and make it,
I have to stop them one time on defense. If
I go for two in and don't make it number one,
I might not ever get the foot. If I go
for one and kick the pat and we go to overtime,
I might not ever get the ball again, and I
(05:08):
have to play defense to force overtime, and then I
might have to play defense again in overtime. I wouldn't
trust the Bengals defensively to do that. Let me ask
you a question, and this has less to do with
the Bengals and more just about the league.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Two point conversions.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Have typically been about of fifty to fifty play, sometimes
in a certain year slightly below sometimes slightly above. Successful
or successful two point conversions are down this year.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Why is that?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think the defenses are more comfortable dealing with those
type spaces, and you see it even in the middle
of the field where they're going to play these zone
coverages where you're really forcing quarterbacks to be just perfect
in how they're doing it. And I think even outside
of the two point conversion you can see in the
red zone when space is condensed, offenses are having a
tougher time. I think a little bit of that comes
(05:57):
down to, like you're gonna lean on an isolated.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Matchup like you have to.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think when you're the Bengals in that situation, I
mean it's one of those like, hey, the ball is
going to Damarkaesler is going and no one is what
you're kind.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Of hoping for in that situation.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But defense is known that, so they can find ways,
even when it's just a two yard kind of difference,
to create some sort of double team or you're able to,
you know, deal with the run inside. So when you
think about those specific situations, offenses want to turn to
their best players, but you know, if you don't have
that second really good receiver, it just makes it a
little bit more difficult for the offense.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
UH Sean Saide is with us sumer sports dot Com
the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I remember kind of thickening this.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Back in July. I wish the Bengals were playing them
in September. I don't want to have to play them
in November. I really don't want to have to play
them in November if it's a game that the Bengals
absolutely have to win. Walk me through the evolution of
the Chargers from the beginning of the season to where
we are going into Week eleven.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
The Chargers have been interesting to watch over time because
you think about it, obviously they have justin Herbert. They're
trying to rebuild this program in so many different ways,
and justin Herbert he is so so good. But to me,
it starts with their defense. Their defense has been excellent,
and in the three and winter they've showed up constantly
where they do a really good job just in their
zone coverage. Like when you watch the Bengals in zone coverage,
(07:15):
they're just dropping the spot sort of turning to the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
But the Chargers are going to match these routes.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They're gonna pass things off to each other, they're gonna
be really sophisticated in how they're doing that, and then
attack you with some complicated pressure. So I think that
the defensive unit, even if it's not the most talented unit,
they're so well coached and playing at such a high level.
Where then on the offensive end, where they've had struggles,
it's certainly at different points. I think they want to
like pose themselves as to have your run team, but
(07:40):
the offense is going to move as justin Herbert moves.
So I think he really had a chip on his shoulder.
I think he's shown a lot of attitude in a
good way where he'll run you over, He'll he'll juke
you out. He's gonna make some insane throws and look,
some of them are gonna end up as drops, and
I think that that can.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Be something at the Bengals are able to take advantage of.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
But they have such a high feeling because of that
quarterback under center.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
No question about that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Sean sai Ed Stats and Scheme podcast and Monday morning
mashupcolumn suomer Sports dot Com.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You're the man. Appreciate it as always, Thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Thanks it always not appreciative
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