11/13/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's primetime Pig skin Boro fights the ball in the
back of the apside. Football World will be trained on
Los Angeles as Joe Burrow and it's four and six
Bengals line up against Justin Herbert and the six and
three Chine Handrick.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
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Hopefully you're having an awesome Wednesday afternoon. We are taking
you up until Bengals game plan tonight with Dangerous Dan
and Died to My Dave at six o'clock. We have
a ton to get to today. Uh, this segment will
be cut short because we got to get to Joe Burrow.
Let's assume that Joe is going to be on time today, Tarn,
what would you say Joe is having an MVP caliber

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season or at least by his standards. You know, he
was an MVP finalist in twenty twenty two, which means
that year he had an MVP caliber season, maybe not
an MVP winning season, but one deserving of consideration. This year, statistically, really,
he's been better than his MVP finalist season. So I
could say he's having an MVP caliber year on the field,

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But is he having an MVP caliber season when it
comes to being on time for his press conferences?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Far from it.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, he's kind of like the Andy Dalton of being
on time. He's kind of like Sam Darnald who's kind
of turned into a pumpkin for Terren's vikings. He's kind
of the Sam Darnald, if you will, of being on
time for his press conferences, which, you know, fine whatever.
I know that doesn't bother most people, but you know,
when you're doing a show that's kind of dependent upon

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things running on time and you carry something live, it
would hello, what help at the quarterback would show up
first press conference on time? So I will have that
for you coming up at three point fifteen today or
whenever Joe sits down to talk with the Assembled Pro
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Go watch the preview. We got a lot to get
to today. You're gonna hear a lot of different things.
You're gonna hear Terry Francona on Ellie Dela Cruz. You're
gonna hear some lame retiring college football coach talk about purity.

(02:40):
You're gonna hear Zach Taylor talk about team bonding. I
will tell you who you're not going to hear a
little bit later on. I will tell you this, Zach, Zach.
The Bengals played on Thursday, so almost a week ago,
and some pretty encouraging news involving t Higgins in Orlando
Brown where they're at least approaching the week of work

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with the design being on those two guys playing and
the Bengals could badly use them. But since Thursday night,
Zach Taylor has now been required to hold free press conferences.
He had one after the game on Thursday. He had
one on Monday. He had one today. We'll play some
audio from it. I think NFL head coaches should get

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together and draft a rule and submit it to the
NFL and say, we want this to be a rule
where you know what, twice a year we get to
miss a press conference and our direct boss has to
be the one at the podium. That's probably never gonna happen.

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We hear a lot from Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor has
his faults, There's no doubt about it. Zach Taylor has
been deserving of criticism this year. That goes without saying.
But I believe, and maybe you agree, maybe you don't.
Most of the Bengals issues rest with the roster construction.
It's not a very good team. It's not a very

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good roster. Joe's having an unbelievable season. Jamar is having
an unbelievable season. Trey's having an unbelievable season. Those guys are,
of course, on first name basis. The rest of the
team is not very good. Is that on Zach Taylor?
There's an on Duke Tobin. Ten after three o'clock five
point three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number.

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We'll get out of the way. Joe Burrow, we think
coming up in five minutes on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Station Cincinnati's He's early, Zach Taylor. No, Joe Burrow. Joe
Burrow talking with the assembled Pro football media right.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Now, guys right after this game, like they needed really
help based on just.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Then, It's gotta be like that from here on out. Now,
we got to get this one. It's a it's a
big one, prime time. So I'm all I was excited
to showcase what we can do in that situation.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Uh, and we know we gotta go win it.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
Why are many guys and full five weeks.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
In the NFL you start to get get banked up
by by this time of the year. You got everybody's
dealing with a little something here, a little something there,
and so those three days to to a week really
helps you for this final stretch. You know, these last

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six seven games.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
You all have been as.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
After five weeks, five.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Weeks throughout the gold year in your season.

Speaker 7 (05:38):
What is it about your guys as a team that's
a lot of.

Speaker 8 (05:41):
Goal your day.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
I don't know, I think that's really I mean, that's
how it should be. Yeah, you got two weeks to
prepare for somebody or in a little extra three days
in this situation, and you got extra time to get
your body right.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
So that's how it's supposed to be dealing with sports.
If there was a how do you feeling now?

Speaker 9 (06:02):
Goat?

Speaker 6 (06:02):
You know, after about twenty four hours, I was back
to normal.

Speaker 10 (06:06):
You mentioned after the game you don't get those calls
the pastor calls.

Speaker 11 (06:12):
Why do you think that was?

Speaker 6 (06:14):
Did you notice.

Speaker 8 (06:16):
Sen wong to watch it all?

Speaker 6 (06:20):
I don't know why that is.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
You know, I'm sure everybody feels that way to some degree. Uh,
you know, I don't think there were any there were
I think there is one that absolutely should have been called.
But other than that, I don't think there were there
were any that Uh I was super upset about.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Uh there's just one. Yeah, what's that qut of back end?

Speaker 9 (06:44):
You go at Safalon of the league long way? How's that?

Speaker 5 (06:48):
I don't pay attention to that. I don't think you can.
I'm not gonna be the guy to argue with refs
about calls through the whole game. I'm gets me out
of my thought process and my zone that I'm in.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
So I don't think that's my job when you.

Speaker 8 (07:06):
Look at the tape, Yeah, and oh there what plays
after the game said I wish I had back?

Speaker 7 (07:12):
When you look at the tape, what's push your what
did you think about your thought process making much place?

Speaker 11 (07:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I mean obviously a lot of great that I was
really happy with. But just like any game, there's you know,
four or five that you wish you had back, And
so those are the ones that I'm gonna focus on
to try to, you know, find a way to put
ourselves in in a better position in those those spots.
Ure or logic of not wanting any your own positions.

Speaker 7 (07:40):
It's not because you wanna stay here old fast, that
apartment you don't wanna get you watch all or anything
like that.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Yeah, And there's I mean, there's not a ton of
time in between plays. You wanna get your mindset on
the situation. What's the call gonna be, what's the personnel?
What am I expecting from the defense in this situation?

Speaker 6 (07:57):
There's not you know, I don't.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
I don't wanna waste five seconds complaining to the ref
about a call that I didn't get, and then I
don't have to flip my mind mindset back into where
it's supposed to be.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
It's a waste of time. How similar are the two defense?
Does you just play Baltimore now you get Chargers or
you know the coaching common denominators or any how similar
the low.

Speaker 12 (08:24):
Do you thay?

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Yeah? Similar structures? You know.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
I I haven't gotten into third down yet, but you know,
based downs, Uh, similar to how Baltimore played us.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Is there a reason you as a quarterback have a
process like that when you say you have gotten.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
Into turned down?

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Is there a reason any propec So I don't know
what your process is, but you don't do it like
all at once on your day off on Tuesday.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
Yeah, that's just how the week works out. You know.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
I watch watch games early in the week just to
get a feel for how they like to call things
in certain situations against certain teams and players that they
might call it differently.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
And then Thursday is really the day that we're focused
on third down. So I've washed third downs, but Thursday
Thursdays the day that you really focus on those and
see what they like to call in different down and
distances and different personnel groupings. And then you do the
same thing for red zone on Friday.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
The day early out of to La.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
What are your thoughts kind of getting out.

Speaker 13 (09:26):
There the day it is.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, I think that'd be great for team building, you know,
bring these young guys along and into the into the culture,
have some dinner with guys.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
I think that's important.

Speaker 12 (09:37):
Is that something that you about before all?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Did you have any input of about the down or you.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
That's something we talked about and in the off season
if this game fell, uh in this kind of three
week time frame, you know, right before the halfway through,
halfway through the season basically. Uh, you know, we did
that in New England a couple of years ago. I

(10:03):
think guys really liked it. You know, guys went to
lunch and I think that brought us closer together and
I think that's important.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
For a team.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
And uh so the fact that we're doing that, I
think would be good for us.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
If you go up together as a team, would you
just certain groups maybe.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Want of them up with or yeah, there you're not
gonna go to dinner with twenty five guys, but uh,
you know, maybe do a lunch on Saturday, dinner on
Friday with different groups of guys.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Try to do it that way.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
You still are all comfortable, you know, with taking the
number of hits you you have taken the trade off
with that versus letting you play fellow downfield, knowing that
sometimes you're gonna have to take those hits regardless of
the protection.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah, I think you know, I do a great job
of getting the ball out quickly when I have to.
But there's certain situations in certain games that you're gonna
have to hang in there and make plays and run
around and hold the ball, you.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Know, a little longer trying to make those plays down
the field.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
Baltimore is one of those teams you have to do
that again, and knowing who they have on the other side,
you know, if it's if it's there early, you know,
I'm gonna take it. But when we're pushing the ball
down the field, if I feel like I can you
get out and try to make a play, and that's
what I'm gonna do, you know. I think with that
point in the season where that's needed, you know, that

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might be a little different mindset first five games, but
you know where we are right now.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
I think that's how I'm gonna have to play it.

Speaker 14 (11:24):
What do you think about Jim Harva.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
I mean, I don't why men him at this point
in your career at any staff, But what do you
think about the job staff, whether it be a Michigan
or least.

Speaker 14 (11:34):
Doing the charge straight.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah, I talked to him.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
He recruited me a little bit out of high school,
so I have kind of a relationship with him ten
years ago, I guess.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
But he seems to win everywhere he goes.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
He's an intense guy that seems like guys like to
play for. So uh, credit to him for for the
job that he's done everywhere he's went.

Speaker 9 (11:59):
Chool.

Speaker 12 (12:00):
You wanted to get the second period.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
Of Ye, Well, here's here was my thought process.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
He had just got the job at Michigan that that January,
after that season. I had been committed to Ohio State
for you know, five or six months at that point.

Speaker 6 (12:15):
So I think I.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Think coaches trying to make a big splash, trying to
flip the Ohio State quarterback commit. I'm not I'm not
entirely sure he knew exactly who who I was or
what I could do at that point. I think he
was just trying to make a little splash.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
There.

Speaker 11 (12:29):
They are not turning it over, Jim.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
They are not turning How does that affect your mindset going.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Into the game.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
It doesn't, you know, they they're really good at that.
Our position possessions will probably be limited, just like you
know we played the old Baltimore teams. They're gonna run,
run the ball well, getting to manageable third downs. They're
not gonna turn it over. They're gonna keep everything in
front on defense and try to shorten the game.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
So we have to find.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
Ways to take our opportunity. He does down the field,
but you know, score on as many possessions as we can.

Speaker 8 (13:04):
I don't know if you view it this way, Joe,
do you feel like this team is still surging for
a turning point, a big moment.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Of the season where things began to ship.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
The other way to be first trying to find wins
at this point, you know, you'd like one turn into two,
to turn into three. But the only way you can
do that is to focus on the day to day.
And so that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 12 (13:25):
Having made a run at you.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Again on the you know transer, that's something he was
took to.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think so. The transfer port
wasn't a thing when I was transferreed yet, and.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
So technically Ohio State could still block.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Me from conference at schools. Yes, I believe so, because
I think they did.

Speaker 12 (13:55):
What do you mean you picked like that they blocked
me going anywhere?

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah, at least they told me that they did within conference.
I don't know, I guess I don't know if it was.
I don't remember the rules exactly at that time, But yeah,
that that happened.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Pretty why, that's not a many hold conferences and a
lot of players from able to build their accommodation or aniversity.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, I mean I would have. Who knows how many
guys ten years ago were in the same spot I
was in that you didn't get their opportunity to go
and make a name for themselves. And I'm happy that
I did and it worked out that way for me
and I was able to graduate in three years to
go and do it. But I wouldn't have been able

(14:38):
to go and do that if I didn't graduate in
three years. And I know a lot of guys aren't
that forward thinking to be in that spot. So who
knows how many guys graduated in four and a half
years And I didn't have that fifty year to go
somewhere and didn't have their opportunity to go and make
a name for themselves.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
Do you keep at the same time both you go.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
I can't do what.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
I sutter regularly.

Speaker 8 (15:10):
You do?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
You keep tabs on Herbert?

Speaker 5 (15:12):
You guys see when he watched statistically ever since you
came out.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
You guys are always one to deal with two great
or whatever you keep tabs on.

Speaker 11 (15:18):
What do you think of his game?

Speaker 10 (15:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (15:19):
I think Justin's great. He's you know, got the one
of the strongest arms in the league. He plays football
the right way. He can run around and make plays,
but he needs too big, strong guy that can make
plays with his legs too, and uh, tough guy that's
gonna stand there and take hits.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
So I've always had a ton of respect for him.
Do you know what? All we got to know each.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Other a little bit at the combine. Uh, he's fun
to be around. I liked his personality. I think we'd
be friends and another if we ever spent time together.
You know, that's not really where we're at, But I
always liked him.

Speaker 9 (15:56):
Joe, have you seen Jamars target round chart from the
Baltimore game? Sure?

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Yeah, what's that look like to you?

Speaker 6 (16:05):
All of those we're moving him around.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Yeah, I think that's credit to him, how smart he's
been this year, understanding when he's in the slot, when
he's in a stack, when he's outside, when he's in
the backfield in the credit to our coaching staff for
coming up with all these different ways to find him
find ways to get into the ball.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
I think he's really taking a step this year as
far as.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
Understanding his own coverage, understanding what his job is in
all these different, uh little details on these routes.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
I think he's just continuing to get better.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
As crazy as t as crazy as that sounds, is
that I mean, is that kind of the meant.

Speaker 9 (16:46):
The perfect example of what a masterpiece of how Jamar
can be used should look like that? Maybe you guys
have been building towards really maybe even since you've ever
been playing with them as games, A little like like that,
ch hard little anything.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Yeah, that's when teams want to try to take him.
I mean, if you're if we're doing that and moving
him around, teams can't take him away. Just finding ways
to to get in the ball in so many different situations,
and when we're moving around like that, teams can't just
focus in on him and say we're gonna cloud this side,
we're gonna double him and and when we play man

(17:19):
h you just always got to be away from where
he's at. And you know our coaches and Jamar are
doing a great job of doing that.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
How does that.

Speaker 9 (17:25):
Jamar retro work exacts tellings made up in the dark
a little man?

Speaker 11 (17:30):
How does that work in.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
Terms of a coming to you, you realize what it
is and then.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
Translating into Jamar to pull off that play in that moment.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
But yeah, it was a great call based on you
know what we had been getting on that on that
two minute drive and Jamar when he gets contacted, he's
so strong he's gonna pull out of it whether he
gets held or not. And yeah, that's that's a bass
play that uh we've wrapped that. Maybe he wasn't in

(17:59):
the game plan, but you know, you can pull out
at any moment, and you know that's what you have
to do if you want to be a great offense
or a great player. Not everything you call is going
to be on the call sheet for that week or
you or even repped that week in practice.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
You might.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
See the way a team is playing you and pull
from something. Then you, guys, ran three or four weeks
ago and you're like, hey, that's good, let's bring it up.
So credit to our staff for that.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
So why do you think you guys have been able
to access the intermediate team middle with Jamar someone you
know more effectively this year?

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Seems like that's been a.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Big area that you guys have have found in that town.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
Of success, and it wasn't necessarily a big part of
it for the last couple of years.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
I think the protection number one, you know, we've found
a lot of We're we're not just you know, six
man protection drop back team right now. We're you know,
our our offensive line has given us a lot of
ways to move the pocket, extend, you know, the the

(19:05):
drop a little bit, to find ways to maneuver in
the pocket and buy me a little more time so
we can push the ball down the field in those situation.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
So I think that's credit to our offensive line.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
So the first off your back.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
And so far since, So what do you expect that
the line of.

Speaker 9 (19:18):
Anything you go back in it?

Speaker 6 (19:20):
I guess I hadn't really thought about it.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
I hope it doesn't feel like anything. Just get ready for
this one.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
The something from that game, that stage, that kind of
exactly what you've thought.

Speaker 6 (19:32):
About that they sucked, that you've kind of.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
You thought about the beats on the tame, not even
that game or.

Speaker 11 (19:45):
On top of that.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
I mean, whenever you go to these big cities to play,
it's always exciting.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
I think it's usually usually on a in a.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Primetime slot and when you play New York, La, Miami,
those are always exciting opportunities for you.

Speaker 14 (20:04):
It's not your d.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
The Triple Crown, which are and kind of helpless.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Is No, I know he's first and just about everything
right now, so he's probably on pace to do whatever the.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
Triple Crown is.

Speaker 9 (20:17):
What does that?

Speaker 6 (20:18):
What does that mean? Oh? I know he's got a
lot of touchdowns and a lot of yards and a
lot of catches too, so he's probably on pace to
do it. Do you say that like seeing or hear
about it. No, he's not.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
But you know, when you have a guy like that,
if if you're not finding ways to take it in
the ball, then he maybe not isn't gonna let you
know directly, but he'll let you know in his way
for sure. What's way It depends. Sometimes it's on the sideline.

(21:03):
Sometimes it's a individual conversation in the locker room. Sometimes
it's through you guys. You guys didn't pocket all there
as much to say we were playing playing well, when
we're on the same page like that, it's, uh, it's

(21:24):
always fun.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Have you ever said it in those words?

Speaker 8 (21:26):
You give me a dhead.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
I'm not sure he said that directly, and you know,
but maybe if of a glance tells me that conversation
about Mr.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
He told us a couple of weeks ago that like
he doesn't.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
Even really have to.

Speaker 14 (21:44):
Watch what he beats.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Maybe he said he takes scre of his body, but
he said he's one of those people that can basically.

Speaker 14 (21:50):
Whatever he wants. Even three he is on the field
of all of the.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Really good receivers that played with in your career.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
Is that like, is he like that gets.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Freaky in that way where he not have to do
the things that he can do and probably everybody else
has to do, but can go be the best receiver?

Speaker 6 (22:11):
Yeah, I mean he's definitely. It's very rare what he
can do.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
I would say there's been I'm not sure I've been
around a ton of receivers that are super dialed on
their diet. I would say, you know, that might have
to change in about five years if he wants to
keep playing. But you know, when you're twenty three, twenty four,
what did you want to go out and run twenty
two miles.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
An hour and.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Have to hundred however many yards he had. He'll continue
to do it until he doesn't need to anymore. That
might be the first one. Sorry, guys, I know, I
know he might not have been.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
All that involved in practice states seas running.

Speaker 9 (22:58):
Around heass walls.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
That, Yeah, it's always nice to have teeth presidents out there.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
He's usually a high energy guy that you like being around,
and you know, everybody knows what he can do on
the field, so whenever teasing that how it feels a
little different. He brings energy and it's exciting to have
him back out there.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
When T left, he knew.

Speaker 9 (23:19):
His responsibility was going to happen to what he wanted
to grow.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
How much of the TV stuff tu.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
With the T, Yeah, that's say a good portion.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
You know, he's really taking strides working in the slot
this year on choice routes, feeling zone coverage. He's really
taken ownership of that and that's exciting to see because
that just adds another element to his game. After it's
a point knowing that he no, I mean we talked
about We talked about it. You know, we we've all

(23:54):
had discussions about, you know, what we would have done
differently in that situation. So we've positive discussions about that.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Thanks jrev All Right, there you go, Joe feeling chatty
and the writers taking advantage Joe Burrow dropping an F
bomb on US. I think we dumped it. I think
we avoided an FCC fine. Do you think Joe would
have paid it for US?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Bengals choice, Yeah and no choice. Bengals Chargers on Sunday night.
The game is live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Bengals Game
Plan tonight from a six to eight live on ESPN
fifteen point thirty.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
As well.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Rick Buring is going to join us to talk XU
and NKU basketball. The Musketeers pounding Jackson State last night.
We are looking forward to that. I don't know that
we're going to have time for our Terry Francona audio,
but when we do play it later in the show,
we will give proper credit to where the audio came
from perhaps that coming up in the four o'clock hour,

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we're gonna bake some pie. We're gonna make fun of
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All right, we just heard the twenty minute laugh fest
with Joe Burrow and members of the professional football media
in Cincinnati. The nuts and bolt stuff. We want to know.
Is t Higgins gonna play on Sunday? And is Orlando
Brown gonna play on Sunday? Well maybe Zach Taylor today

(25:40):
acknowledged they're not going to take practice reps, but did
go through the walkthrough and acknowledged there's a chance that
both guys could go Sunday night with the Bengals take.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
On the La Chargers. Burrow versus Herbert for the.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Second time, justin winning round one in a weird game,
if you remember in twenty twenty one, with a charge
jumped on top of the Bengals twenty four zip. Cincinnati
pulled within two, missed a two point conversion, then there
was a Joe Mixon fumble and the game got out
of hand. Hopefully a better result this time on Sunday.
Bengals game plan Tonight from six to eight live on

(26:16):
ESPN fifteen thirty. Macchin Tonight. I was about to call
it Mac action. That's not what it's called. It's maction.
The Miami RedHawks can achieve eligibility. They take on winless
Kent State tonight. In college basketball, the Dayton Flyers battle
Ball State. Really really good news, and we had known
this for a while, but it's always nice to see

(26:37):
the player sign so the coach could talk about him.
Four star point guard Keisha Ontillery signs with Wes Miller
and the Bearcats for twenty twenty five. A six foot
point guard from the Newhampton School in New Hampshire, he
committed to the Bearcats in late September. He had twenty
eight other offers. His final three were uc wake Forest
and Virginia. He came in the peach. I'm reading this

(27:00):
from a Scott Springer Cincinnai dot com playing for the
Nike eyb on New York City Rocks my favorite team.
He came into the Peach Jam this summer, averaging thirteen
point three points per game, four point two rebounds, and
six six six assists. Easy for me to say, shooting
forty six point eight percent from the field and forty
one point six percent from a three point range. There

(27:21):
you go, ky Sean Tillery a bearcat seventeen away from
four o'clock. We got to spend a few minutes on
college basketball last night. I say this every year. The
Champions Classic is the unofficial start of the college basketball season.
Duke and Kentucky last night lived up to the hype
and the Mark Pope era is off to an awesome start.
And look, man, I'm a UC fan and a Dayton fan.

(27:45):
I think it's fun when Kentucky's good. I think it's
fun when Kentucky fans are feeling it. They're feeling it
after last night and deserveredly so should Zager fans be
feeling it? What about nkau fans? Rick Browing tells us
next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station in Peaks.

Speaker 9 (28:00):
Is the best in the game.

Speaker 11 (28:01):
Blue Floor.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
They doesn't play enough to stink in order to stink,
I actually have to play. I played one basketball game.
That's great. Way to brace the bless us with your presence.
Joel go Too of thirteen lose, and I'd say stink.
Guy never plays. It's like it's like saying I'm bad
at ice skating. I never ice skate.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
How do you know Rick Boring does not stink?

Speaker 3 (28:25):
He's got a thousand jobs MKU radio analyst, host of
The Darren Horn Show, host of The Skinny Podcast, and
proprietor of a Musketeer Report dot comedy.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Joins us every Thursday or every Wednesday. Today is Wednesday.
So Rick is here? Hi?

Speaker 13 (28:40):
Rick, what's up?

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Mom? I watched Xavier was sixteen to two. It was
fourteen to two last night. It was fourteen to two
last night for what felt like a half hour, and
then they scored to make it sixteen to two, and
I thought, you know what, I think this game has
been salted away, and so I diverted my attention to
more competitive games. XU blows out Jackson State. They have
played well in spurts. They have played unevenly in spurts

(29:03):
through three games. What have we learned about them?

Speaker 11 (29:06):
Well?

Speaker 9 (29:07):
I think one thing is that we're starting to see
a big three separate for Xavior. I think Zach Freeman
and Ryan Conwell are clearly the leaders of this team
on the offense event, and then Daveyon McKnight clearly seems
to be the third wheel there and the other guy
and most involved on the offensivevent Dalen Swain probably has
the most potential to rise into a bigger role. I

(29:30):
also like guys like Dante Maddox and Marcus Foster transfers
who are still trying to figure things out, but they
haven't really gotten it going yet and haven't gotten on track.
So I mean, Dante Maddix did hit four to threes
in the final six minutes of action last night to
finished with sixteen points, but the game was well out
of hand by that point. So I think one big
thing is that we're starting to see the roles form

(29:52):
and it's clear Zach Fremantle, Ryan Conwell, and Davion McKnight
are the ones running the show for this year's Xavier team.
The other thing I think is that defense was a
big concern, particularly perimeter defense, for the first two games
wins over Texas Southern and IU Indy. Both of those
teams shot a lot of three that made a lot
of threes against Xavior. They did much better against Jackson State.

(30:16):
But part of what I wrote in last night's recap
is that Jackson State is different personnel wise. They don't
have the shooters of those other two teams. They were
more about getting the ball inside and driving to the
basket with athletes. So I think that still remains to
be seen how well this team is going to defend
on the perimeter.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Nothing against the three schools that they have played, but
they do get a name opponent at least in wake
Forest on Saturday at noon.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
What sort of problems will the Demon Deacons present?

Speaker 9 (30:45):
You know? I think the one thing that you look
at with wake Forest and they've been they've been really
good defensively to start the year. They were ranked thirty
second in terms of their defensive efficiency according to Kenpom.
Their offense hasn't been as impressive. They're just inside the
one hundred. But you look at their wins over Coppin State,
North Carolina and t and most recently the two point

(31:06):
win over Michigan on Sunday seventy two to seventy, I
think it really stands out the way they defend and
the way that they rebound as well. So I think
those are two areas where you know Xavier is going
to be challenged. Can they get their offense going against
a legitimate defense? And also, rebounding has been a concern

(31:27):
for this team early on so far, and this wake
Force team has a couple of guys like Treyvon Spillers
that can really rebound. So he's going to challenge Xavier
in the paint.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
You've got a game tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Nichols is going to play NKU tomorrow and they're going
to play UC on Friday. So two games, two checks,
back to back games, probably back to back losses.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Here's my question for you. Are you ready?

Speaker 9 (31:53):
I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Nichols most recent game came against something called the Mississippi
University for Women.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
How's that work?

Speaker 9 (32:01):
Yeah? Mo, here's the thing. Jim Kelch and I were
talking about this on air after the Purdue game, and
so then on the ride home, we were like, what
is going on with that school? And so I googled
it and I start reading more about it, and I'll
tell you what, It gets more problematic the more you read.
I really don't know, Like the name of the school
previously is confusing. I don't want to get into it

(32:23):
because I'm too ignorant on the subject, but I'll just
tell you. Apparently they started letting men into the school
for women back in the eighties at some point. I
don't know how they recruit there. I don't know what
types of players they have there, but I do know
that Nichols handled them fairly easily.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I don't care about their basketball team, the Mississippi College
for Women or whatever they are, but they allowed men
to go to this school for women. I would imagine, though,
the ratio, forget the sports part of this, rather favorable.

Speaker 9 (32:54):
Yeah, but I think it's also like an agriculture school.
I don't know that you're really going there looking for love.
I'll be honest. The whole rite up was disturbing. Go
to the Wikipedia page. I don't want to get any
farther into it, but yeah, the Mississippi School for Women
is not really my things, all right.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
They have played two high major opponents in Florida State
and Purdue, same question, different team. What have we learned
about the Norse?

Speaker 9 (33:19):
Well, I think a couple of things from a positive
perspective is that the defense appears to be ahead of schedule.
We know, with that unique style that they have on
the defensive end, a lot of times it takes them
a little bit of the season to build up their
chemistry until they start looking cohesive on that end of
the floor. But they've really hit the ground running defensively
here in the first few games, So I think that's

(33:41):
a good sign. Also, something that's never really been a
strength of this team, partly because of that defensive strategy
that's sort of a mixture of a zone and a
man demand sort of a lot of people call it
a matchup zone, is that they rarely rebound very well
on the defensive end, and so far to the first
two games against really big physics athletic teams or at

(34:01):
least in Florida State's Cape athletics and produce case, very
big and physical, they rebounded the ball very well. In fact,
they out rebounded Perdue. They had more offensive rebounds and
second chance points than Purdue did in that game. Purdue
was second in the nation and rebounding last year, first
in the nation and rebounding the year before that, So
I take that as a very good sign for this

(34:22):
NKU team and Holbo matchup against Horizon League teams.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
I think the big.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
Question right now for NKU is who is going to
be their go to score. They lost the schools all
time leading scorer and Mark Wes Warwick after he transferred
to Missouri, so who's going to step up there? And
then also I think you're just wondering, you know, in
terms of point guard play, Dan Grezker came up from
the Division two level. He turned the ball over four times,

(34:47):
didn't play a lot of minutes in the first game
at Florida State. He looked better against Purdue, but still
really struggled from the field. Only made one of I
think eleven field goal attempts in that game. So they
need to get him going or otherwise they're going to
be a little bit thinner in the back court than
they planned on being.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Gotta be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Looking at the Mississippi University for Women Wikipedia page and
there's a lot going on here.

Speaker 9 (35:09):
Yeah, it's concerning, right. I mean, I didn't want to
say the words on air, but they're like the name
of that school previously and stuff. I don't really know
what it all means, but it doesn't sound great.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm I'm glad they're not on NKU schedule
or UC schedule or Xavier schedule or anybody in the area.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
But we'll be listening tomorrow night. Rick, thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
Thanks Mo appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
That's our guy, Rick Browing Musketeer Report dot Com. You'll
hear him tonight on the call NKU versus Nichols. Nichols.
Nichols is the school that played the Mississippi University for Women.
Nichols will play NKU tomorrow and they'll play you see
on Friday night. It is four minutes away from four o'clock.
Our numbers are five one, three, seven, four nine fifteen

(35:53):
thirty and eight sixty six, seven oh two, three seven
seven six. Zach Taylor talks about bonding. Terry Francona talks
about Eli Dayler Cruz. You'll hear both coming up on
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Speaker 2 (36:15):
What's up six at or Forum.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty I'm my legter, Thank you,
thank you for joining us. Hopefully having as good of
a Wednesday as eyeing. Been busy, been busy, not that
you care. We'll get to a pole question coming up
here momentarily, and chat with one of the experts from
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(36:40):
as well. Also, Wes Miller talked about Dan Skillings and
day Dave Thomas. We'll hear from him a little bit
later on. Lots of audio coming your way today and
later on. We're gonna bake a pie. Not really gonna
bake a pie, although boy pie sounds good.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Right now, let me just do this really quick.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
So Zach Taylor talked today and the Bengals are going
to Los Angeles, and I guess in his tenure, when
they've gone to the West Coast, they've typically left on Saturdays.
Some teams do a different Marvin, if I recall Marvin,
more often than not have the team leave on Friday.
I don't know. I don't really necessarily care. I'm not

(37:22):
sure there's a right or wrong way to do it.
It's up to everybody's individual preference. Bengals are gonna go
out there on Friday, which fine, which means they're gonna
have some time to themselves. They're gonna have some free time,
They're gonna have some time to spend with each other.
And so Zach Taylor talked about that today and he's
kind of being made fun of and he shouldn't be

(37:43):
made fun of for this. Go ahead and play Zach
talking about team bonding.

Speaker 12 (37:47):
You'll be out there two days in advance, so we
feel good about kind of the reasonings why that, and
it'll be good team chemistry to get out there and
some some time together and then play a five point
thirty Sunday night kickoff, you know, which I don't think
I've ever played a five point thirty game. I'm I'm
not sure if I ever haven't. But guys are excited
for the trip. You know, we got to be locked in.

(38:08):
This is a big one for us, you know, and
so we've had success doing that, but again, this this
feels like just a different game entirely, and so we
got to be locked in with this team traveling and
make sure we put it best be forward bonding.

Speaker 6 (38:21):
Is there more free time for those guys on Saturday
than maybe normal.

Speaker 12 (38:25):
Yeah, you get there night earlier, so a little bit
more time to those guys. This is the first time
we've done that.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
The point of the year.

Speaker 12 (38:35):
You know, we just wanted the team, the chemistry as
we get out there, guys eating together, guys spending time together,
and stressed to the veterans, you know, veterans, younger guys
getting a bond together. I think it's a good opportunity
for those guys.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
You also get back I think at seven in the morning.

Speaker 12 (38:49):
How does that pat by week? Yeah, it's the right time.
I mean, it's of all the weeks I have to
get back late to have a I think it times
up right, So not a really.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Concern about that.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
There's Zach Taylor talking today about the travel plan for
Los Angeles in here. They're gonna get back early on
Monday morning, but they've got to buy weeks and no
one cares. So he talked about chemistry and bonding and look,
it's it's Zach Taylor and his Q rating isn't very
high and the team is not very good and they
just lost to Baltimore, and nobody really wants to hear
about team bonding right now, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Look, man, Unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Austin said this before he is anything Zach says at
this point is low hanging fruit.

Speaker 10 (39:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
It's like when if you're married and you're in the
doghouse with your wife or significant other. You know what
it's like when just there's you can't do anything right.
Nothing you could say is right. It just it's how
it works. Zach is in everybody's doghouse right now. So
nothing that he says, not whether it's football, non football,
whether it's positive negative, Nothing he says is going to
be received all that. Well, but step away from your

(39:55):
disaffection with Zach Taylor and I don't know, look at
the positive benefits that could be had with the team
that has a little bit extra time and is forced
almost to bond. Now, the pushback against that is going
to be, well, wait a minute, MANU, it's week eleven.
Shouldn't they have already bonded? Well, have you ever been

(40:17):
on a work trip. Have you ever been on a
work trip with your colleagues. There's a really good chance
you spend time with them in a non working environment
that you don't spend when you're at home, Like Tony
Pike and I travel on UC football broadcasts for UC

(40:40):
Football broadcasts, and Tony and I are good friends and
I've known them for a long time, and we work together.
You know, the way life works, we don't get a
lot of time to hang out with each other. We're teammates,
we're colleagues. We do a show together. He's got his life,
I've got mine. When we go on the road, we're
kind of and we enjoy each other's company, or at least

(41:02):
I enjoy Tony's. I can't speak for him. When we
go get a couple of beers, get something to eat,
and there's an ancillary benefit to that, right, it's personal,
but it's also professional.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
It helps.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Anybody who's ever traveled with colleagues for work, I think
could relate to this. You spend time with people that
you typically don't get a chance to spend time with
because life gets in the way. Life gets in the
way for you, and I gets in the way for
professional football players as well. And so I don't dismiss that.
I don't know how much it's gonna matter. You know,

(41:33):
to me, what matters more than anything is can they
put pressure on Justin Herbert? Can they stop LA's running game?
Can they keep Joe Burrow upright as Tee Higgins gonna play?
Can they run the ball more effectively? Can anybody besides
Jamar Chase make a play?

Speaker 10 (41:46):
Like?

Speaker 3 (41:46):
I mean, there's a lot more to it, right, But
could there be some long term benefit or season lasting
benefit to the guys just getting a chance with no family,
no wives, no girlfriends, no kids, no other obligations to
you know, pretty much be forced to go get a
couple of drinks or go do something, or just go

(42:07):
have dinner together, or hang out and not hang out
with the way to Hey, we've got a meeting in
twenty minutes, or we've gotta make what we're doing all
about football.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Sure, Like, I get it.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Nobody likes Zach Taylor right now and everything he says
we're gonna make fun of. It's low hanging fruit. Everybody
wants a different coach. It sounds sort of seventh grade ish.
But what about that's wrong? Hey, Look, we've got a
chance to go out there early. There's the physiological benefit perhaps,
And I'm not an expert on whether it makes sense

(42:38):
to go out on Friday or Saturday when you've got
to deal with a three hour time difference.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Some teams do it on leaves as late as possible,
and some teams leave as early as possible. I don't
know what's right, but I could certainly understand, Hey, look
let's go out on Friday. By the way, it's gonna
cost a little bit more, Okay, Bengal's gonna incur that cost,
and our guys get a chance to spend some time
with each other, with themselves and in an environment that

(43:04):
they typically don't get a chance to take advantage of.
There's no harm in that. It's not the key to
the season. Look, they're not prioritizing team bonding.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I looked.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
The Lakers and Clippers neither are in town. The LA
Kings have a game on Saturday. I don't know if
UCLA has a home game. I don't know why anybody
would want to go to a usc basketball game, and
there's some stuff to do, Like, I don't know, there's
possibly some benefit to that, And you could say, well,
they should be bonding already. Sounds easy, right, How much

(43:35):
do you bond with your coworkers, Like, we're all busy
life kids in the way, life kids in the way
for football players, So they're gonna go out. Life will
not be in the way. Maybe some take advantage of it,
maybe some don't. There's no downside. It's not gonna be
an Auburn basketball flight where the players are fighting.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I don't think.

Speaker 13 (43:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Maybe we've talked a lot.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
About how the performance of the team this year could
perhaps racture the locker room, because you know, the offense
is really good, and Burrow's really good, and Chase is
really good in the defense aside from Trey Hendrickson stinks
and could it create a fissure. I'm not sure if
fisher is the right word. I haven't used that since
I took a geology class in college rocks for jocks

(44:15):
and got to see moved on.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I could cause a rift? How about we'll go with
rift could cause a rift?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Maybe there's something to repairing that rift over a couple
of beers that you're not gonna have time to go
get when the guys are in Cincinnati and they've got
life and commitments and family and stuff to do.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
It sounds stupid, but it's not.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Anybody who's ever been on a work trip I think
knows exactly what I'm talking about. Fourteen minutes after four
o'clock Uh, Terry Francona talked about Ellie de la Cruz
and his visit to go see him on The Red's
Hot Stove League Show last night, and you'll hear that audio,
which we will properly credit, and then we'll discuss next

(44:55):
on ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
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Speaker 3 (45:06):
Even though I'm going to play some Terry Francona audio
him talking about hanging out with Ellie della Cruz. Maybe
they did some bonding down to the dr Because it's
football in the Nattie, I'll do some football content. I'll
read for you the Bengals injury report. Are you ready?
Good news? T Higgins Limited. That is a step in

(45:27):
the right direction. Limited.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I think tomorrow is going to be a big day
for him. Limited.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
T Higgins today, Orlando Brown did not go anybody else
you need to know Trey Hendrickson limited as well. No
go for bj Hill, no go for Charlie Jones. Bengals
Charged Sunday Night Live on ESPN fifteen thirty. And of course,
of course Bengals game plan tonight from A six to
eight on ESPN fifteen thirty as well with Dan and Dave.

Speaker 11 (45:55):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Terry Francona called into The's Hot Stove League show last
night on seven hundred WLW and the Reds Radio Network,
and I mentioned that because we're gonna play the audio
from that show, and uh, just as a matter of
sort of outlining how this business works. One of the
sort of the basic tenets of it is, you know,

(46:19):
you could borrow someone else's content, and you could you
could take someone else's content and use it for your
own good, and that's that's kind of what what happens
in this business. But you know, it's just it's professional courtesy,
the right thing to do to publicly give credit where
it's due and acknowledge the source of the audio. You know,
we've done this before, and we did it with most recently,

(46:41):
I think Joe Danoman.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
We borrowed some all we borrowed.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
We took some audio from him that he acquired, he
got that he used on Fox nineteen that he put
on his social media account, and we played the audio.
We acknowledged Joe Daniman got that audio. That's from Joe
Daniman Fox nineteen of Cincinnati sportscasters or sports newscasters, sports anchors.

(47:06):
That's what I was looking for. The dean Joe is.
I think he's about to celebrate his seventy fifth birthday.
So that's what you do. And then so like the audio,
like if we use audio from Tony and Austin, that's
from Sincy three sixty, and you give credit words due
the audio we're about to play came from a radio

(47:27):
station like just down the hall from where I'm sitting
right now, a Reds production, if you will, the Reds
Radio Network and seven hundred WLW. So anyway, here's Terry
frank ConA Tito, the new manager of the Reds. Who
is He's getting to know his players, he's hiring a staff,
he's getting set for the season, and he's spending time

(47:51):
with Elie de la Cruz. Here's Terry talking about that
last night on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 16 (47:59):
You went down to the Medican Republic and met with
Ellie de la Cruz and Noelve Martein. I believe it
was jam Or Candelario as well. The question is really
about Ellie. One, how did that meeting go how far
do those meetings go. When you first meet you talked
about people same time. You've managed some great players over
the years, and certainly Dela Cruz would be in that category.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
At least talent wise. How impressed have you been with them?

Speaker 16 (48:26):
How do you hone it and get it to the
next level with him?

Speaker 10 (48:30):
Well, then that's that's part of why I went down there,
was just to start the lines of communication and the
building of a relationship, because I really believe when a
player trusts you, and it doesn't happen overnight or it
wouldn't mean anything, but as they does, that bond forms.
You can tell guys sometimes things they don't want to hear,

(48:52):
and inevitably, when you're in leadership, you're going to have
to tell people things they don't want to hear. But
when they trust you, I might get mad for a
day or so, but you're not going to lose them.
And the thing I always try to explain to players
is I'll never ask something that's unfair. Yet am I
gonna ask a lot? You better believe it, but nothing

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that's unfair, And I'm not gonna make something up and
throw it against the wall. You know, again, we have
to find a way to value what it takes to
win more than all the other teams were playing. And
that's hard as hell to do, but that's our goal.
And with Ellie I told him, I said, hey, I
watched your videos. You know my goal for him is

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not just to be an exciting good player. It's to
be one of the best players in baseball on one
of the best teams in baseball.

Speaker 9 (49:42):
And that's that's our goal.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Terry Francona from the reds Hot Sol League Show on
seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
That's good stuff. Look, we love Ellie.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
We could have disagreements about how good he's going to
be or if he's better cast playing so somewhere else
in the field. I'm more than okay right now with
him playing shortstop. I think if you're being reasonable, you
understand the kid is uber talented. You saw the strides
that he has made, You've seen how good he can be.
You know how that can be measured statistically. You also

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acknowledge there are times where watching him is maddening. And
maybe it's the strikeouts, and maybe it's some of the
defensive miscues on plays that are seemingly routine. Maybe it's
some of the base running issues where he's getting picked
off or at times maybe crossing the line from aggressiveness
to stupidity. He's got around a lot of that stuff out.

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He has come a long way, and we're all glad
he's on the team, but especially for a guy of
his talent, like you know, he's never going to reach
his full potential until some of that stuff gets smoothed out.
And as much as you know, I would defend David
Bell often, there were times last year where with him
specifically and others, you wondered, like our messages getting home

(50:59):
or our messages even being delivered right, Like, is is
he really being held accountable? Is stuff really being corrected?
Is anybody really pulling him aside and going, look, some
of this stuff has to get cleaned up. And maybe
maybe there was an effort by the previous manager. Maybe
those efforts were forthright, and maybe they were coming from

(51:20):
the right place. They just weren't delivered and just not
well met. I don't know, but the reality is we
watched Ellie last year and said, okay, twenty twenty five,
as good as he's been, it's got to clean some
stuff up. And maybe it's it's the mental part of
the game. Maybe it's maybe it's understanding completely what it
takes to be as good as he can be. Maybe

(51:42):
it's he's got to be held more accountable. What I
heard there was a manager who told a player, look, man,
I've watched you play. I know how good you are,
I know how good you can be. I also know
the things that might keep you from getting to that level.
And it's my job to make sure that we fix
that stuff. And sometimes me helping you fix that stuff
could involve me telling you things and doing things with

(52:04):
you that you're not gonna like. And I just I
can't help but think that that is a message about Look, man,
the previous guy wasn't as willing to say some of
those things that you wouldn't like. The previous guy wasn't
as willing to maybe get in your face a little bit.
And by the way, it doesn't have to be demonstrative,
it doesn't have to be public. You're probably not gonna
see Terry Francona like, you know, pulling Ellie Deyler Cruz

(52:25):
by his jersey lapels if he gets picked off base.
That stuff can happen outside of public view. But we
have talked about this what the team as a whole,
but with this player specifically, Like we all understand how
good he can be, we all understand how exciting he is,
right like, we get it, but we all want to
see him realize his potential and the team stands to
benefit from that. And him realizing his potential has often in.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Public view.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Been something that I think is hard for us to
envision if he continues to have some of the lapses
that we have seen team plays in the field, base
running stuff. You know those moments where it's like getting
mad at your kid, right getting mad at your young
kid where you love them, but holy hell, what are
you gonna stop doing that? And there's been a lot
of that with Ellie, and that stuff has to get

(53:14):
cleaned up, and it's got to get cleaned up soon.
If the idea here is to win in the short term,
we can't be talking about next season how the Reds
continue to make a lot of mistakes on the base pass.
We can't continue to talk about how defensively their team
that just isn't what it needs to be. That can't
be a thing next year. And that's the sort of
thing that I think Terry Francona was talking about and

(53:36):
referencing his willingness to get in guy's faces a little
bit and to hold players accountable and to say things
to them privately and how maybe eventually publicly I don't know,
but privately that you might not like. But it's my
job to say those things. I'm not doing my job.
If I don't say those things. I'm not doing my
job if I don't get you to figure out how

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to stop making outs on the basis or make the
routine play is a shortstop, or not have mental lapses.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
And so I'm going to do my job. Be ready
for it.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
I loved everything about that. That audio, by the way,
courtesy of seven hundred WLW in the Reds Radio Network.
Twenty nine away from five o'clock. Richard Skinner is going
to join us at five twenty. Danny Canal is going
to talk some college football with us at five point
thirty three. Last night was a great sporting event in Atlanta.

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We're going to get to that in a bit, but
first we got a couple of Bengals injuries to talk about.
This Eric All thing is kind of being glossed over,
and I hate it because it means there's a lot
of other stuff happening. Also, Eric All looks like he
has a chance to be really good, but he's got
to stay healthy. We're going to talk about him and
what Dan Skillings might be dealing with with doctor Adam
Mesler from Ortho Sinsey. He joins us next on ESPN

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Speaker 2 (57:11):
All right.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Joining us this week is doctor Adam Metzler from Ortho Sincy.
I want to start by talking about Eric Al who
showed such promise before he got injured, but he got
hurt against the Raiders back on November the third non
contact injury in ACL tear, his second ACL tear within
about a year. We've got to keep in mind his

(57:32):
injury history because he's had a back issue now to
ACL tears. How much does all of that complicate his
long term prognosis.

Speaker 14 (57:41):
I'd probably think that these two separate entities, to be honest,
I think his back recovery seems to be finished bash stable,
and they're probably just two separate entities. But unfortunately, having
a re injury retare of his previous ACL certainly complicates
his passway in the NFL here, so definitely a challenge

(58:02):
for him.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Does the injury history complicate the rehab and recovery following surgery?

Speaker 14 (58:10):
Well, this is the same needed authority is that iwas
so yes. I mean, these revision cases are more complicated.
They have a longer time frame for return to play. Typically,
when we're doing our revision acls, we have to harvest
an issue from the knee as well, So if you
had a previous patit attendon autographed issue taken, they're going

(58:32):
to have to use a blowtendon or vice versus. So
just there's increased surgical rehabilitation from the complexity of a
revision surgery. Whether it's an NFL athlete or a high
school or college athlete, there's definitely an increased time frame
for return to play due to the overall complexity of
the surgery and the post surgical recovery.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
The latest injury occurred on November third, so we're kind
of talking about ten months before the start of next season. Obviously,
the timeline is earlier for the start of training camp.
Kind of walk me through how much we could anticipate
him being on the field for Week one next season.

Speaker 14 (59:11):
Well, he had his previous a sales surgery done in
October of twenty twenty three, and unfortunately kind of time
frame was pretty darn close to one year being out
retearing that ACL, so I imagine that he is going
to be slow and methodical with his rehab and recovery,
as retail rates are higher after a secondary a sale
surgery than a primary a sales surgery, and my assumption

(59:35):
is that he would probably take close to, you know,
tend to ten to twelve maybe close to that twelve
month time frame before he has optimized his physical recovery
to step on the field. But obsten, with each NFL athlete,
each each game to play, there's a financial compensation for
that that he's going to try to get back as
soon as possible. But now that he's been through this

(59:57):
journey twice, my track record for this is they're going
to take every bit of time they need to to
feel comfortable and healthy, as we see that more commonly
in our professional athletes taking longer period of time, not
necessarily because they can't, but because they want to optimize
their body and their physical attributes that they can provide

(01:00:17):
for their team and reduce their risk of further injury.
So those things all play a factor into this. But
it's really unfortunate for a great young kid doing a
fantastic job, and as an alum of Fairfield myself.

Speaker 9 (01:00:28):
It's tough to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
See, so yeah, no question about that. Let me ask
you about Charlie Jones. He has missed the last couple
of games with a groin injury. How do you typically
treat groin injuries?

Speaker 14 (01:00:40):
Yeah, just generically. You know, groinstrain is the muscles on
the inside of the leg. They help to bring our
leg inward, and different grades they take different type of treatment.
So a lower grade strain or sprain to that muscle
can be back quicker, but the bigger sprains or strange
there can take a lot longer.

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
But if it's a lower.

Speaker 14 (01:00:59):
Grade strain, obviously we have to reduce the amount of
impact and running and let the muscle tend and heal.
We're going to do that with anti inflammatory medications. We're
gonna do physical therapy. They'll do topical anti inflammatory cream,
some ultrasound, physical therapy, massage, et cetera. To try to
get to heal and to relax. Initially, you're going to

(01:01:20):
ice pretty religiously, and then as you start to warm
up that muscle further in the phase of healing, you'll
start using more heat and you progress from doing limited
impact biking, ellipticals those type of activities and then progress
to running and then cutting and pivoting. And once we're
doing those motions with high veloscity and minimal pay, we
can start the progression of return to play. Low grade issues,

(01:01:40):
low grade growing strange. You're talking two to three weeks.
Higher grade may take a couple months, two to three
months to get back on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I want to ask you about Dak Prescott, the Dallas
Cowboys quarterback, is having surgery today, or at least it
was scheduled. He is dealing with a partial hamstring tendon evulsion. Now,
typically we hear hamstring tear, hamstring strain, that sort of thing.
I've read that the tendon came partially off the bone.
Are these sort of different and maybe extreme ways of

(01:02:10):
just talking about a hamstring tear.

Speaker 14 (01:02:13):
Yeah, I mean most of the hamstring strains and tears
that we hear about the nfl are muscle are mostly
muscle issues, so they're within the muscle. These evulsion tears
that come off of from the bone, from the pelvis
where they attached to, they are a different animal and
they're treated differently. A lower grade partial evulsion, maybe one

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tendon is treated down surgically, two tendons contemplation for surgery
can be had, and then a three tendon tear complete
evulsion is generally recommended for surgery and showing to have
better outcomes with surgery than without surgery. The hamstrings, your
quad muscles have four, those are the ones on the
fronts and your hamstrings are three. They're on the back

(01:02:55):
of your leg, and so they run all the way
across your hip point all the way down past your
nee point. And so his injury is more proximal based
being towards an off of the pelvist zone. And it
sounds it's at least severe enough that it's a high
grade strained spring slash tear injury that necessitated surgical intervention.
It's hard to get a read on based on the

(01:03:16):
information available how severe it is, but obviously with two
second opinions or different opinions medically, it sounds like it
was bad enough to necessitate surgical intervention.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
All right, one more, let's talk college basketball. I'm a
huge UC basketball fan, and I think all of us
are kind of, I don't know, apprehensive, nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I'm not sure what the right word is. We're not
feeling good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
When two games into the season one of their best
players has already gone out of the knife. So Dan
Skillings after the first game the next day, was dealing
with Nie Swelling. According to his coach Wes Miller, they
have done a procedure and nobody is saying that he
is going to miss the entire season or anything like that,
but the timeline is going to be It feels like

(01:04:01):
a couple of weeks. Are we talking meniscus here? What
are the range of possibilities we're dealing with?

Speaker 14 (01:04:09):
Yeah, obviously I don't know exactly all the inside details here,
but I was a huge Bearcat fan myself.

Speaker 9 (01:04:15):
I'd hate to see any injuries. I feel like I
already had.

Speaker 14 (01:04:17):
One ACL injury on their team, as their freshman had
an ACL surgery already, So we're going to miss him
for the season, and now we have one of our
premier starters out for some period of time here. It
sounds like it's probably a small moniscus care based on
information that's available, and hopefully it's a small, little kind
of small flap tare we'd like to think about those generally. Well,

(01:04:38):
I'm usually three to six weeks back playing, obviously returning
back to high level function and you know he's a
great rebounder for the team and a great asset and
a leader. It may take a little bit longer, but
hopefully in four to six weeks we can see him
back on the floor. And obviously the same concept for
rehabbing for any other procedures. Get the spelling down, get
the motion back, gets the strength back, and then increase

(01:04:59):
sports specific activities where he's comfortably out there without the
nie swelling. And that's the to be determined. That is
always the uncertainty anytime an athlete undergoes any type of
procedure like this. So hopefully we can see him back
on the floor, and I think generically the timeframe would
be for the Zager game and that would be great
to see. And even if it's a limited minutes, it's

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it's great to see a leader out there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
No question about that. Awesome stuff is always doctor Menswick.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 9 (01:05:26):
Yeah, I have a great day.

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have two Bengals are four and six. Who would you
hand a larger slice of blame pot Zach Taylor or

(01:07:01):
Duke Tobin. And the other question is have you ever
associated college sports with purity? Because if we have time,
we're gonna play this college football coach who's retiring because
the purity has gone in college football. The purity purity
in college football's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Is gone. I can't even get through it without laughing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Great college basketball game last night, Champions Classic Kentucky and
Duke the first big, you know, sort of marquee game
from Mark Pope, traditional rivalry. It lived up to the
billing Cooper flag with a couple of turnovers late that
he is not going to make in February. I mean, look,
this is how it works when you're a coach taking

(01:07:46):
over for someone who is iconic, and you say what
you want about John Caliperry and how things kind of
unfolded towards the end. John Caliperry is an iconic figure
in not just Kentucky basketball, but all of college basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
He looms large and not like he left.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
He's coaching in the SEC and I'm sure he's going
to have a lot of success at Arkansas. But first
of all, like that event itself, it's always early in
the season. It's I call it every year. Basically college
basketball is opening Night. In recent years, it felt like
and not even felt like it was stated by the
head coach, Yeah, that event doesn't matter. Well, okay, but

(01:08:22):
if you're a fan, it does, like you want me
to have an emotional investment in your program. You're playing
these games against marquee opponents, yet matters, especially for folks
who make the trip to places like Chicago and Atlanta,
which is where the game was last night. It was
fun to watch Kentucky play the game with a coach

(01:08:42):
who treated it like it mattered. But if you think
of like recent seasons for UK, they've had good teams,
but whether it be in the NCAA tournament or just
in regular season games, it felt like when they lost,
the game kind of followed a familiar script where in
the last three or four minutes they completely stopped executing

(01:09:05):
on the offensive end. If you're a Kentucky fan, how refreshing.
Was it watching them in the last three or four
minutes get defensive stops, which they did, but execute offensively,
not have shot clock violations, not have critical possessions end
in nobody knowing where they're going, everybody standing around, and

(01:09:26):
an end of clock key from way beyond the arc
that didn't go like that was refreshing. And there is
an energy that Mark Pope brings that I think would
be refreshing no matter where he ended up. But when
you put him at that school, replacing a coach who's act,
frankly kind of got stale at the end, and then
you start your tenure effectively by winning a game like

(01:09:49):
that last night, where in the first half Duke offensively
looked like a machine that one turnover at halftime, I
thought they were too reliant on the outside shot. But
I mean, for a while it felt like they weren't
gonna be able to stop them from getting to the rim,
weren't going to be able to stop him on the glass,
weren't going to be able to stop him from scoring inside,
And it felt like a couple of times midway through

(01:10:09):
the first half early second half, like the game might
get away from them to come back and win, win
the way they did, but just look how they did
and play with the vibe they played with. If you're
a Kentucky fan, I cannot imagine how reinvigorating that was.
I said this to Tony and Austin Man. I'm a
die hard UC fan and I root like hell for

(01:10:32):
the Dayton Flyers, But I don't necessarily believe that college
basketball needs Kentucky to be good. I think that argument
in a lot of sports is overblown. College football doesn't
need Notre Dame to be good, but I kind of
think it's more fun when they are. The NBA is
thrive without the Knicks being very good. But I think
you saw last year like it's a little bit more
fun when they are. College basketball in this area is

(01:10:55):
ten times more fun when Kentucky is good and when
UK fans are feeling it and they're letting you know
about it. I said this when Cali Perry got the
program turned around. You know, people associate that fan base
with obnoxiousness. Every fan base has obnoxious fans. I'm a
UC fan. I know obnoxious UC fans. I can be
an obnoxious UC fan, but when those people are coming

(01:11:18):
to the party, as a college basketball fan, I think
it's a blast. Hey, it's a blast when a program
like that close to our backyard, as nationally polarizing as
it is, is relevant is good. Uh And you know,
frankly right now likable if you watch that game last night,
And I was cool watching Kobe Braya make such an

(01:11:39):
impact in the game on the glass and shooting the
basketball last night, And as a UD guy, I rooted
for him. But I think it's really good for the
sport in this area. I think it's good for the
sport overall and fun for the sport more than anything else.
When Kentucky is is good, and when that fan base
is engaged and talking about the games and sticking their
chest out a little bit, and they had every reason

(01:12:02):
to stick their chest out last night.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Been a really good Duke.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Team, and the arrow seems like it's pointed in the
right direction. But on top of the win itself, just
how they played, like the late game execution, I mean,
it was it got to be in recent years for
all that John Caliperi did at UK, the late game execution,
it felt like every game they lost was basically the same.

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Whether they'd be in December or March, and last night
looked and felt different and it was a lot of fun.
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Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Like I look outside, it's dark and I know it's
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on this note that is this time of year. You
can have it and just look at it outside dark,
nothing but darkness for weeks on end. It's miserable. It's miserable.
Richard Skinner is not miserable. He is going to join
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Chargers on Sunday night Danny canell is gonna join us
as well five thirty three to talk some college football
the day after the second College Football Playoff rankings. And
I'm gonna run my Travis Hunter, take past him, which
he is the greatest college football player I've ever seen,
and give him an opportunity to laugh at me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
We'll do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Plus you'll hear Wes Miller on Dan Skillings coming up
here in just a bit. The Bearcats play again on Friday.
They get a key signing today with Keyschan Tillery making
it official he is going to be a Bearcat. All
that is awesome. I guess the Dan skilling stuff is
not awesome. We'll get to that here in just a bit.
We're playing the Zach Taylor audio for you, the Zach

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Taylor where he talked about team bonding and Zach is
low hanging fruit. I mean, think about it. Look, I'm
not here to tell you that I'm enamored with the
job that Zach Taylor is doing with this team this year.
There have been plenty of things that we on this
show have second guest and discussed, and like you know,

(01:15:41):
I'll be completely honest if if they were to decide
for twenty twenty five to get a new head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
I'd want to see who it was, but I don't
know that that would be like the worst thing in
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
And conversely, if he comes back and coach at the
Bengals in twenty twenty five, I don't think that's the
worst thing in the world either. I think Zach Taylor's okay.
I think he's got his strengths. I think he's got
his weaknesses. A big part of me that wishes he
wouldn't have anything to do with play calling, just to
see how that would work out.

Speaker 6 (01:16:09):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Man, they got an offense that's very good. I think
there's some leadership things that Zach brings to the table
that I really like. There's been some game management stuff
that I don't but I just not that this is
necessarily new. The Bengals last played on Thursday night. Since then,
Zach Taylor has been forced to do two press conferences.

(01:16:34):
We long ago decided that NFL head coaches are so
important they have to talk to the media in an
organized setting.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
On a non game day twice. Does anybody else do this?

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Like the President of the United States, whoever it is,
barely holds press conferences. We make NFL head coaches on
non game days do it twice a week.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
They are essentially the spokesperson for the team, and the
people who cover the team need quotes from the coach
about the game that just happened, and then later in
the week the game that's going to happen. I understand it,
but I mean, and then you add to it. They
played the game on Thursday. Zach Taylor had media obligations

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on Thursday not to mention interviews that he does on
radio shows, in the postgame show and stuff like that.
So football people get mad, I say this, but it's
true about baseball managers too. They are, especially the Bengals,
the de facto press secretary for the team, only person
who's required to speak multiple times per week, all year long,

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all season long, right, Which is fine, that's how it works.
But if I were Zach Taylor, there's two things I
would do. One would wouldn't do anything, but I'd email
like the other thirty one head coaches, some of whom
who obviously aren't gonna be head coaches next year, some
of whom are in two cases, New Orleans and New

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York with the Jets interim head coaches, but basically say like, hey,
could we figure out a way to compel the league
to give us a break with these press conferences and
two or three times per year instead of me having
to talk on a Monday or a Wednesday, my boss
has to talk. I'm not talking about the owner, talking
about the general manager, player personnel director, or whatever job

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title you want to give to Duke Tobin.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
And if I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Zach and I'm walking around the venue originally known as
Paul Brown Stadium, and I passed Duke Tobin in the hall,
we have a meeting, you know, I'm like getting ready
to get up to go have another press conference to
answer questions about this not great team you put together.
I'm like making snide remarks to him, like, yep, back
to go do another press conference, Duke, what are you

(01:18:51):
gonna have yours? This team this season is four and
six because the roster is not very good. One of
the most interesting things about this season is, you know,
for years we wondered, is is Joe Burrow just covering

(01:19:11):
up all the cracks? Now the Bengals have done some
really good things and did some really good things around
Joe Burrow and deserve an enormous amount of credit for
the team they built that went to consecutive AFC Championship games.
But you know, the Bengals were a punchline for years
and then they draft Joe Burrow and suddenly they're this
model franchise. Or is the success and the high profile

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nature of the quarterback covering up the cracks that exist,
cracks in the foundation, some of the issues that are there,
some of the organizational warts, some of their deficiencies, And
many wondered, God, what's going to be revealed if Joe
Burrow is gone or out for a while, or if
he stinks. Well, Joe Burrow hasn't stunk this year. He's

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been awesome statistically better in many cases than twenty twenty
two when he's an MVP finalists. And yet he's been awesome.
And Jamar Chase, by the way, has been otherworldly in
what has happened. The worts have been revealed, the cracks
have been revealed. Who's responsible for those cracks the person
in charge of the roster. But there have been players

(01:20:16):
that we expected more from who have underperformed. There's no
getting around that. But where is this roster really really good?
Besides at one receiver position. I'll make it two receiver positions,
because t when he has played, has been very good
and quarterback Trey Hendrickson is terrific at his job. The

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rest of the defensive line been nowhere to be seen.
The defense as a whole has no major strength. I'm
not sure who you build around Cam Taylor Britt unfortunately
has turned into a pumpkin. None of the free agency
acquisitions thus far have worked. The offensive line at best
is okay. The running game is shaky. They're good at

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tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I'll give you that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
I'm a big Eric auguy Gas Sicky's had some good games.
Where are they really really good? In how many areas?
Let's just make it about the AFC North In how
many areas would you take the player the Bengals have
at their position ahead of who the Browns, who are bad,

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the Ravens and Steelers have at that position. I say this,
and I haven't done the exercise, and maybe I'll do
it tonight. Probably not, and I'll be surprised by what
I find. The roster is not great. Now, okay, fine,
this roster isn't very good. Maybe next year's roster will

(01:21:43):
be but roster building is about to take on a
different form. Jamar Chase is gonna be asking for forty
million dollars. Joe Burrow, his money is gonna kick in.
You've kind of whift in free agency this year. You've
got a long list of things that you have to address.
They're gonna have to get some offensive lineman this offseason,
and they're gonna have to get some more defensive line
in this offseason. Might need secondary help, could use a

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running back, might have to replace, will have to replace
t Higgins, like there's a lot there, linebacker, like you
name it. They're gonna be having to address it this offseason. Well,
that's a lot. With the financial outlook for the franchise
changing and the recent history of draft picking not being great.

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They're four and six because the roster has deficiencies, four
and six because they've let some good players walk. Now,
it's my understanding that the person championing Joe Burrow, I'm sorry,
Joe Mixon getting cut, I'm sorry getting traded was traded
to the Texans was Zach Taylor himself.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
And so if that's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
On his ledger, then it counts and if I'm in
the front office, I'm going to Zach like, dude, Okay,
it's one thing to let the player walk at something
else and not be able to replace them. And by
the way, the player that's walked has had some very
good moments in Houston. But like, I listen to Zach
to and I watch people react to him, and again,
I'm not here to tell you I think he's the
world's greatest head coach. Have done plenty of segments where

(01:23:07):
we have criticized Zach Taylor and discussed his role in
success and failure. But this dude has asked to talk
three times a week for a team that he didn't build,
that he didn't construct, a roster that he's not in
charge of, And so man, if I am him, it

(01:23:28):
would be kind of nice if, yeah, Duke, how about
you answer these questions for once? Also be nice to
hear from him as a fan. Seventeen minutes after five o'clock,
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Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
How you doing, I'm good, mo.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
I'm well. I want you to, uh, I.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Want you to pretend for a second that you have
chosen to embrace the world of legalized gambling, and you're
gonna make your first wager ever. Would you wager on
T Higgins playing or not playing on Sunday?

Speaker 7 (01:24:22):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:24:22):
Man, I don't know anything about this gambling stuff. I'm
gonna wager on him playing. Yes. I thought today it
was a good step that we All we did was
seeing one on the side rehab field, but he was
listed as limited, and I think that's a great step forward.
You know, I don't know how effective he may be.
Will it be mostly decoy stuff? Will we actually contribute? Listen,

(01:24:45):
there's no doubt this team is far better when T.
Higgins is on the field. So get him on the
field any way you can. And I think he's probably
at the stage two where maybe if he's not even
one hundred percent, but enough to where it's not nagging
him again. He's playing for his football free agent see
future here, right, and so he needs to show that
he can be available to play. And then when he
plays ball out like he's done.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
For the most part this year, how long is the
least for some of those interior offensive linemen.

Speaker 13 (01:25:13):
Until they get hurt. I mean, I literally think that's
what it is, because you're not gonna put a seventh
round rookie in there at center. You're not, you know,
you really I guess you could float Cody Ford back
to guard if if Orlando Brown win, Orlando Brown come
back and play and play left tackle. But we actually
asked Dan Pitcher that today and he said that he

(01:25:34):
thought they were getting getting some good play out of
those guys, not all the time, and it's not been perfect.
And certainly, I mean Alex Kappa, who I really like
is a person, but I mean, he literally got steamrolled
on that two point conversion. You know, certainly the guy
hits Joe Burrow in the in the face, but get
him in the face because he got steamrolled. And so
if there was more depths, then maybe you'd see a

(01:25:56):
move made, perhaps at somewhere in the interior but just
isn't a better solution.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
To be honest with you, I would ask, and I
would want to know if if they're getting good play
from those guys, what does it look like when they're
getting bad play from those guys?

Speaker 11 (01:26:09):
That's a good question.

Speaker 13 (01:26:10):
You know, they're not going to roll anybody under the bus.

Speaker 11 (01:26:12):
And I will say Pitch did.

Speaker 10 (01:26:14):
Him in the hall a little bit.

Speaker 13 (01:26:15):
He was searching for the right thing to say. Trust me,
he didn't talk about them playing at a Pro Bowl
level by any stretch of the imagination. But again, I
just don't there's just not a better solution on the roster.
And they're not alone. I mean this league right now,
the offensive lines for a lot of teams, just especially
when you have to get to depth pieces, it's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Yeah, no, there's no question about that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Are they did they demonstrate on Thursday night a slight
lack of confidence in Evan McPherson.

Speaker 13 (01:26:44):
No, that's a great question because obviously he could have
kicked the field goal to put him up twenty four
to twenty. I do believe that they thought, hey, the
way this game is starting to trend, as the defense
started to melt down, it was we got to score touchdowns.
We can't just go get three here and they come
back and coore touchdown. I think that was part of
the thought process. I truly believe both Darren Simmons when

(01:27:05):
we talked to him a couple of weeks ago, that
he doesn't lack confidence in Van Zach has literally said
he does not lack confidence in Evan. I don't think
that was the case of it. I think it was
really literally them going a field goal is nice, but
it's not nice enough. We need to score seven. And
unfortunately the sequence of plays that took place before that
didn't help either. But yeah, no, I do think they
still have confidence in Evan McPherson.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Do the explanations as to why they take Mike Hilton
off the field on third down and near the goal
line makes sense to you?

Speaker 9 (01:27:34):
No, they do not.

Speaker 13 (01:27:34):
I talked to Mike a little bit today and he
said he understands it. Listen, getting up there in years,
he said, and you know, maybe it's a chance for
them to take the snaps off me. I said, but Mike,
you know, some of the issues that's been talked about
have been communication issues, and it's probably one of your strengths.
I said, have you lobbied? He said, I'm gonna do
what the coach.

Speaker 9 (01:27:50):
Tells me to do.

Speaker 13 (01:27:51):
But he kind of gave me a ri smile, like, yeah,
I'm trying to get myself back on third down. And
I in talking to lou the other day, I think
he was back to open to that idea. Understand why
he's trying to get some guys snaps. He's trying to
again take some snaps off of Mike. But but you know,
when when you've got so many other issues in that
secondary and Mike's the if you had to pick pick
five guys in the secondary, the two outside corns and

(01:28:12):
two stats and Mike Hilton, go who's the least of
your problems at.

Speaker 9 (01:28:15):
The moment, you know that would be he might be
Mike Hilton.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Yeah, he's the most dependable player in the secondary and
the second most dependable player on the defense, and they're
taking him out on critical, uncritical downs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 13 (01:28:27):
Yeah, I think they feared because earlier here there were
times where where might look like a guy who Okay,
this might be the last year's career. And I think
they probably recognized that at that point and decide all right,
let's let's get some snaps off of him. But as
you know, because he I think ever since Mike came
back from from the little injury he had in the
Carolina game, I think he's played some really really good
football and really consistent with go to that point and
maybe at that point you go, Okay, we don't need.

Speaker 9 (01:28:49):
To worry about this any longer.

Speaker 13 (01:28:50):
This guy's fine. And I wouldn't be shocked on Sunday
if you see Mike come off the field far far less.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Yeah, that would that would make sense to me. Well,
think about that wagering thing. It might be something you
want to want to explore and tap into and let
me know if you do.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Okay, Hey, is it?

Speaker 13 (01:29:06):
Is it legalized anywhere?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Yeah? In Ohio?

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
I'm not you know you live in Kentucky. I'm not
sure it's made its way to the Bluegrass.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
But take a look at it.

Speaker 13 (01:29:15):
Okay, I'll look in this gambling you said, right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Wagering, wagering, Yes, legalized wagering. Okay, all right, let me know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
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going on?

Speaker 11 (01:30:18):
What's up?

Speaker 9 (01:30:19):
Mo?

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
How's it going?

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
Man?

Speaker 11 (01:30:20):
I can't believe it's already like dwindling it the last
three or four weeks in the college football season. We're
like having these playoff debates. It's insane how fast the
season goes by. But I love catching up with you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Likewise, for my purpose, the expanded postseason has already served
its purpose because we have some really fun debates involving
teams we typically would not be talking about.

Speaker 11 (01:30:43):
Oh, without a doubt, I think it's the debate that
becomes that much more compelling, and it's the amount of
teams that legitimately have a chance to make the playoff.
Last year, I looked this up just before we came on.
There were eight teams that had a chance to make
the four team playoff. Anybody outside of that top eight
really was eliminated already. They had two losses, they didn't

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have consequential games, it was done. We're still at a
number where there are teams in the back end. I mean,
there's some wild scenarios in the SEC where a three
loss LSU could still make it to the SEC championship game,
which puts them in the playoff. Clempson another one down
there at twenty. You can go all the way down
to twenty five and make a case two lane as

(01:31:25):
a team that is ranked twenty fifth in the committee's eyes,
they still have a chance to win the American Conference
to potentially catch Boise State as that group of five teams.
So there's a bigger debate way more teams have consequential
games here to finish out the season. I absolutely love it.
I think it's been awesome. I don't think it's the
perfect system, but I do love the debates that are

(01:31:46):
being had.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
There are a lot of fun and look invariably, the
more teams involved, the more gripes, both from fans of
teams who are within the twelve and those on the
outside looking in. Which fan base has the most legitimate ripe.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Right now?

Speaker 11 (01:32:00):
There's a couple, so for me it would be SMU.
SMU is ranked fourteenth, they are eight to one, They've
got two wins over top twenty five teams they are
Their only loss is to BYU, who is ranked sixth
right now, so I think this is a team that
absolutely should be higher, and if you stack them up

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next to Texas, who is ranked third and is eight
and one. Also their loss, of course an ugly loss
at home to Georgia, But where is their significant win.
I know they've beat some big brands. They beat the
Florida Gators last week and that's a nice win, but
the Florida Gators are not a very good football team
this year. Michigan another one that's not a very good

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football team this year, and they didn't know that in
the Week two when they faced them Oklahoma, a team
they face without five wide receivers and another team that
is around five hundred. Texas's resume isn't that great. I
get it that the eye test has been pretty solid,
but the fact that there are eleven spots between SMU
and Texas shows me an incredible brand bias. For like

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the typical blue blood brand that's had a lot of success,
SMU is a newcomer to the ACC didn't start very
high in the preseason top twenty five. They're still trying
to make a lot of ground to catch up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
All right, So, as I look at the odds to
win the national championship, not to make the playoff field,
but to win the national championship. Right now, Ohio State
is the betting favorite at plus three hundred, a lot
of folks are getting bet in the buck eyes, certainly
in this part of the country. If I'm looking for
better value, give me a school that stands out.

Speaker 11 (01:33:33):
So I wouldn't go any of those top three teams.
Oregon was my pick to start the season plus three
seventy five. Like that's okay, you know, I wouldn't take it, though.
It's still like the thing about if you like Oregon,
I would not touch them here. Maybe they lose in
the Big Ten Championship and their odds drop them, then
you snatch them up because I think they could potentially

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still win it no matter what, I'll go. So I'm
looking at them right here. See how far out I
would go. Old Miss is a team at nine to
one that I think if they're playing at their best
and they get their defense going, which has been probably
the biggest difference of this team. Lane Kiffon has always
been known as an offensive mastermind. Their offense is playing

(01:34:16):
pretty good. They've had a lot of injuries, but when
they're healthy, which we saw this past weekend against Georgia,
they dominated Georgia both the sides of the football. Their quarterback,
Jackson Dart he's got enough mobility to kind of extend
plays if they can't protect them. He's also a good
enough passer to get it done. I think they've got
the depth to do it. So at nine to one,

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I think Old Miss is probably as far down as
I go. Then there's a pretty dramatic dropoff, though Penn
State twenty to one, Notre Dames twenty to one, Tennessee's
twenty two to one. I don't trust those teams very
much because of their quarterback. Let me give you one
more if you've really wanted to flyer Miami Hurricanes at
thirty three to one. I love cam Ward. I think
he's the type of player that could put the team

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on his back, but they would have to be absolute
shootouts because their defense has been a sieve and it
would be fun to back them to watch, but ultimately
I think their lack of defense would catch up to them.
So I think from a value standplay all miss is
about as far down as I'd go.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
So I'm rooting for Indiana because as a UC Bearcat fan,
I know what it was like to see your team
hovering around the College Football Playoff and then in the
College Football Playoff, and how astounding that was. I use
obviously a Big Ten school, so it's a little bit different.
But still their ranked fifth, they're undefeated, They're playing the
Buckeyes next week.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Do you give them more than a puncher's chance?

Speaker 11 (01:35:35):
Absolutely?

Speaker 9 (01:35:36):
I do.

Speaker 11 (01:35:37):
I think this team is anything but a fluke. I
know some people don't they look at their schedule and
they say, well, they haven't played anybody. They have dominated
every single team on their schedule except for the last
time out. And that's the game that I actually so
really good teams they figure out ways to win when
they're not playing at their best. And their offense was

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struggling somewhat against Michigan, but they found a way to
keep it together to get a couple defensive stops and
beat Michigan, who Again, it's not a great win, but
I thought it was sort of one of those Okay, xal,
we showed to everybody we can beat a traditional powerhouse
in Michigan, we can hang up, we can win a
game that we need to be there in the fourth quarter.
In Ohio State, they're a really good football team, and

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I think Ohio State wins that game, but I think
Indiana can be extremely competitive with them. I think their
offense is very innovative. Curtis Wark is mobile enough and
he's got a lot of playing experience to do it,
and their defense flies around and tackles outstanding. The question
I have is what version of Ohio State are you
going to get? Because when they're at their best, I
don't think it's close, but they also almost had a

(01:36:44):
rough game against Nebraska where they didn't kind of show up,
they weren't kind of clicking on all cylinders. Here's the
one thing mode that scares me for Indiana because they're
my favorite story in college football, and I don't think
it's a fair test. They have to keep it close.
And when I say it close, I would probably say
within ten points in order to make sure that that
loss doesn't prevent them from making the twelve team playoff,

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because you would think a one lost Big Ten team
should be in no matter what. But because Indiana's schedule
is weak and because they didn't start the preseason in
the top ten, they will be held to a very
tough standard. If they get beat. Let's just say thirty
one to three or thirty four to ten, and it's
a little bit ugly. The committee would absolutely put a
two or a three loss team in over them from

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the SEC. So I think Indiana has to keep it close.
I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's right,
but I think that's the standard they have to hold
up to.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
I can get updated Heisman Trophy odds at bet online,
where Travis Hunter of Colorado is the betting favorite. I
was in Boulder to watch Cincinnati play Colorado a few
weeks ago, and this is gonna sound like hyperbole. You
know a ton more about college football than I do.
That's the best player I've ever seen. Why should he
not win the Heisman?

Speaker 11 (01:37:53):
He should, and I think he does. They've already kind
of got to this position where they've got seven wins,
which is well above their total, and even if they
lose out, which I don't think they do. I mean,
they're a double digit favorite this weekend. But I thought
eight wins was the magic number to get to for
Travis Hunter to win, just to kind of showcase you're
not in a loser, you know, like you're helping your

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team win games. But he played one hundred and sixty
six naps last week. I mean, that's in one game.
That is insanity. And that's something we have not seen
done in the past fifty years of college football. Like
we've seen guys like Charles Woodson and Champ Bailey and
or other players play a little bit on both sides
of the ball. But Travis Hunter is playing every single

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snap of the entire game. We do not see that,
and oh, by the way, he's the best receiver on
his team, the best defensive back, and he could maybe
make a case that he's the best wide receiver in
the country and the best defensive back in the country.
Hands down, he's the best pure football player in the country.
As long as they don't lose out again, I don't
think they do. I think he should win the award,

(01:38:58):
and if he doesn't, I'll ask why even have the
award if you're not giving it to the best football
player in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Now you're on the same page with me, Danny Canal
Thanks to a bed online. Good to bet online for
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Thanks so much.

Speaker 11 (01:39:19):
Awesome though, great catching up. We'll see you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
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Sports station said surgery you see is getting said to
play Nichols on Friday night. Wes Miller is the coach
of the Bearcats. Chances are you knew that he had
a media He had a media availability. Stop stop mumbling moo.

(01:39:47):
He had a media availability today and he was asked
about his junior star who just went under the knife.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Here's what the coach had to say.

Speaker 8 (01:39:58):
You know, he had a minor. Sure, it wasn't a
serious procedure. You know, we're always restricted for good reason
of what we can say about people medically. But I mean, guys,
I can tell you it was pretty minor. It went
as good as it could go. And I bet if
I told Dan Skillings I wanted him to play Friday night,
he probably tried to dang play and be fine. Now

(01:40:20):
we ain't doing anything like that. But I think it's
he'll be out for a week or two, a couple
of weeks, and then from there it'll be a week
to week decision on when he plays again. So I
can't give you and everybody wants what's the timetable. I
can't give you a timetable. I can say it won't
be the next couple of weeks, but after that it'll

(01:40:41):
kind of take it week to week. We will be
incredibly conservative. So if I thought Dan could play next week,
and he thought he could play next week, and our
trainers and our medical staff, I'd probably wait longer, right
because we are going to be one hundred percent sure
that we're not putting him out for it. It's not
about when can he play, it's about when is it

(01:41:01):
not going to be risky in any way even the
slightest bid for him to get back on the floor
in a game situation, We'll take it incredibly slow. Again,
I don't think it'll be forever for our fans out
there at all. That would drive Dan crazy. But we
will be more conservative than we have to be or
we're told to be, just because number one, it's the

(01:41:22):
right thing to do, and number two, the young man
has a big time future ahead of him.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
There you go, Wes Miller talking about Dan Skillings who
had surgery on Monday, And I know, I know, if
you're a Bearcat fan, you're thinking, Okay, a couple of weeks,
but what about December fourteenth? That'd be something we spend
a lot of time between now and then discussing. If
you're on the West side of Cincinnati, Bengals game plan
is at Champions Champions Bar and Grilla plays I've been

(01:41:49):
too many times, Dan Horde, Dave Lap two hours Wall
to wall Bengals, as we get said for Sunday Night.
If you can't go there in person, then you can
listen to the entire show on ESPN fifteen thirty. You
could also listen to our show tomorrow on ESPN fifteen
thirty starting at three oh five. Thanks to Tearan for producing,
Thanks to you for listening. Have an awesome night. This

(01:42:11):
has been the bud Light five o'clock Happy Hour on
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 6 (01:42:26):
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