11/18/24 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
What's up, Good afternoon, It's the Tony and Mo Football
Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. We are broadcasting this afternoon
from Twin Pigs in Westchester. Back in west Chester, the
day after the Bengals lose again in a game that
felt painfully familiar, thirty four to twenty seven at the
hands of the Los Angeles Chargers. We are here until
six o'clock. Obviously, Twin Peaks, the home of the Tony

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Ando Football Show. We're back in Westchester next week. We'll
be back at the Florence location two weeks from today.
If you're thinking of dinner tonight, can't do better than
Twin Peaks. Great TV setup. There's Monday Night football this evening.
There's college basketball happening all week long. Great plays to
watch NKU and you see tomorrow night. Perhaps so so

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much going on the staff here is great. The beer
is cold, the beer selection is awesome. The menu is terrific.
I think the last time we were here we got
hot fudge Sundays. Need one today? Yeah, I'm going to
need one hot fudge Sunday with some bourbon port on
top or something. I don't know. I don't know. We did.
We had a gentleman bring us each a bottle of

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bourbon in mine's almost gone, so I could use a weekend,
I could use a refill. We are here till six o'clock.
Very easy to get to. Right up seventy five Union
Center Boulevard exit. You could be here in seconds, Tony,
where do you want to begin?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, you know, b I think nine gets you in.
So they only got to win five out of the
next six.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's hard.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I had this issue today at noon because I felt
myself last night watching more as a Cincinnati diehard sports
fan than someone that covers the team. And this is
part of my job, because last night was the latest
installment in so many instances where it feels like you

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just are constantly kicked in the gut.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I've rooted for this team since I was eight nine
years old. I say this with no intention of hot
taking it or making a statement of hyperbole. This is
the most frustrating Bengals season of my lifetime. They've had
worse seasons. They've had frustrating seasons. They've had seasons where
they've underachieved. They've had seasons where they fell short of expectation.

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They've had seasons where they lost prematurely in the postseason
relative to expectation and offensive talents. I have found myself
as frustrated with this season as I ever have, and
last night was just These games have taken on such

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a familiar feel, right they're this close, they can't finish
their play away. In some instances, you might argue they're
unlucky or a call doesn't go their way. Whatever it
is this is the most frustrated I've been, not angry,
but frustrated because I had such high expectations for this team.

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And then I think about, like, were those expectations misplaced?
Should I have had such high expectations.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
We were told this is the window. That's why T
Higgins was on the franchise tag is to go all
in this year, and you know sold on on. Hey,
these are why these free agents make sense. I mean,
you could argue this is the one of the biggest
tragedies traverses of the season. Is the free agent class. Yep,
they are bad. The drafting has been bad. I saw

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the stat today if you look at the two draft
classes immediately following you finding your franchise quarterback twenty one
twenty two with Evan McPherson's struggles. Out of those sixteen
draft picks in two years, Jamar Chase is the guy.
Everyone else is a letdown. So you have failed in
free agency, failed in the draft. And I think last

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night it almost felt like a culmination of so many things.
I thought there were calls that went against him last night.
I thought I thought Joe Burrow was egregiously hit harder
on two after the two plays after the past than
Herbert was. I thought Trey Hendrickson was pleading to his
head coach to hey, have my back, Like, why are
you not as angry as I am about these calls.

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I saw a team in the first half that on
the sideline looked checked out. I went into the game
thinking many by by on the other end, back against
the wall. I thought I would see the team that
played in the second half for four quarters. I didn't
see him until after the And I don't know why
you start that bad. So there is this overhang of
kind of things that everything feels like it's going against you.

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And then at the root of it all, I'm worried
about this year. I'm worried about the future. You're wasting.
You're wasting unbelievable production, production that doesn't come around every
just a couple of years, Production that comes around sometimes
once in a generation, with with players, and I'm watching
it being wasted week in and week out, and I'm

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not watching guys get better. Feels like the old line
is regressing. Fourteen more quarterback hits last night, three sacks.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
The interior of the offensive line was a disaster.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
And with the old line something that I watched last
night that is now kind of overflilling. As many times
as Joe Burrows knocked down, I don't see guys running
over to help them up. Nope, How when your quarterback
is getting smoked, how are you not running over there
to help him up? It just kind of feels like
a hull hum, a little bit of a lost group.

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O line is regressing. They're wasting unbelievable plays. Defense looks lost,
Cam Taylor Britt was lost, Sam Hubbard looks lost. I
mean pick and choose. They have a good second half
from DJ Turner and then he's hurt and he's after like,
it's just they can't catch any type of break. And

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at the root of it all, you know, I go
back to decisions or in game coaching questions that we've
had a lot on these shows. And I led with
that today on three sixty because I thought there was
an egregious miss last night.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
So let's go there first. We were texting about it
last night, and I did hear the top of the
show at noon today, so I know you've talked about this,
but it bears more examination. So the Bengals, in spite
of everything that happened. Get the football back with a
minute twenty six to go and the game is tied.
Now that's the point you said.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Everything that's already passed, the two missed field goals for
mcpheers hit.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
You're still with.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
The ball in your hands in a minute and a
half left, have an opportunity to go win.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, I mean they're down twenty seven to six. They
fight back, they missed the two field goals, and yet
buck twenty six to go with two timeouts. I put
on social media, go win it nine, right, go win
it number nine. Forget getting the field goal because I
don't trust this dude to make a kick. No, go
eighty four yards, score a touchdown, go into the buy
with momentum, and let's start talking about the game being on,

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the season being on. They gained fourteen yards on the
first play, Joe Burrow with a scramble, So all right,
pretty good. One ten to go. I gotta go seventy
yards for a touchdown. I've got two timeouts. Joe Burrow
is cooking, Jamar Chase is playing well. T Higgins is unbelievable.
The LA defense is on its heels now. The first
thing that happens. Burrow misses Chase downfield.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
It is a mess because it was an in rhythm throw.
It was three step one hitch, ball comes out. If
the ball's a half yard closer, it's a catch. If
it's a yard closer, it's probably a catch and a
touchdown to miss. But they took their shot. I don't
have a problem taking their shot.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
None.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
The problem isn't I. I was in the doghouse in
my own home last night because it's happened. I'm yelling
the TV. It's late, kids are asleep. I'm yelling at
the TV. Take a time out because we watched it.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
On Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I mentioned on Saturday night my guys Xager Henderson is
running up and down the field. He's gassed, and I'm watching.
I'm watching last night and I'm screaming because I'm looking
at Jamar Chase and I'm like, he's on the sidelines. Yeah,
it's second and ten. You have two timeouts, and I
get like one, Okay, you gotta save it for an emergency.
And it's also not three that if the Chargers get

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a bag, you can burn through all three and get
the ball back. You have two timeouts. Second ten to
go save your season. It becomes the most important play
of the year. Second and ten. And on that play,
I'm looking and I'm like, Jamar's on the sideline. Okay,
they're just gonna take a time out.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
That's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
And they run the play and on the play it's
Yoshi Higgins. Kiseki, you had two targets no catches last night,
Drew Sample and Chase Brown. Now, regardless of the situation,
if I come to you before the season, I say, hey,
season's gonna be on the line. Here are the five
guys that are gonna be in the game.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
How you feel about it? Probably not great.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
So what I didn't learn until I went and I
did a video about this today is as they're showing
Jamar on the sideline, you can see the game clock
and there is eleven seconds on the game clock or
the play clock. They flash to the field. They're just
breaking the huddle. If you screenshot it with three seconds

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left on the play clock, Higgins is nowhere close to
being set and it's having a conversation with the receiver
at the top. I'm guessing to make sure they're on
the same page. Take a timeout. Yeah, So it's the
biggest play. They're clearly rushed and the best player on
the planet's on the sideline, and you have two timeouts.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Take the time out instead.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
With one second left, the snap gets brought back in
a rush. Burrow looks left, probably should have looked right,
makes a throw to Chase Brown ball gets batted down,
and now it's third and ten. We know what's happened
on third and ten. Higgins is open. Too much pressure.
They couldn't handle it, like they couldn't all night. But
how with the biggest play of this season and your
best player on the planet Earth that's playing football right

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now on the sideline and you're rushing to the line
to get the playoff, how are you not saying time out? Jamar,
you get back in, Joe, what formation do you want?
What personnel do you want here? This is your call
at that point in the game. That's Joe Burrow's call.
What do you want to do? Instead? They rush through
everything and completely mismanage that spot.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's the thing we've talked about most since he got
here with Zach Taylor. Situational football. That's what that is.
It's situational football.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
They waste timeouts every game right, waste one.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
There, second and ten. Your season is hanging in the balance.
Your team, for all of its flaws, has fought back. Yep.
Your best player needs a blow, that's fine, give it
to him. Get organized. Here's what we're gonna do on
second down, and then here are the contingencies. Here's what

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we're gonna do on third down. Yep. Here's what we're
gonna do if we pick it up. Here's where we
want to try to drive to to kick a field goal.
If we don't feel so good about a lot. Like
a lot of different things you can discuss, it is
egregiously bad coaching. And it's not the culture, the tone setting,
the play calling, all of that stuff. It's the thing
we have harped on most. Even when we have acknowledged

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that Zach Taylor has strengths, he's not good situationally. He
failed his team last night.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I was pissed live because Jamar wasn't out there. I
was more pissed rewatching it because they rushed to the
line of scrimmage. They didn't. They didn't get to the
line and give Joe a chance to even look at
the defense. That's my thing, Like if you break the
huddle and there's fifteen to twelve on the play clock,
and Joe can evaluate, he probably makes the right read
and throws it to the strong side of the field

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for seven yards.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Now, let me ask you this, Zach doesn't call time out,
Should Joe have just called one?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
That would be That would be my next thought. What's
gonna happen if he does right? Because because you're right
as a quarterback on a big play, I need to
see what's going on. Yeah, Like if you if you
rewatch the clip, they get up to the line so
quick there's no way he can read what's going on,
which I think is why he just took the short
side of the field, because he read boundary side and

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went to it. In reality, if he goes field, it's
probably third and three. You're setting up and then we're
gonna have the conversation do you go for it on
fourth down? In that situation. But I'm mad that Jamar
wasn't in. I'm more mad that they had to rush.
I mean literally, they almost got a penalty for not
having everyone lined up. That's how close it was to

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the ball being Snaphaill, guys are still moving and you
chose not to take a time out there. It's just
it's the biggest play of the year. Your season is
hanging in the balance, and you have fought and scratched
and clawed to be back there, and a big reason
why you were back it's because of the guy that's
sitting on the sideline, Jamar Chase. I just I don't

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know how you don't take the time out.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
In no sport. I mean, Jamar Chase has been the
best wide receiver in football this season. Now, Te Higgins
was awesome last night, and so you might say, well,
Jamar was the second best wide receiver on the field,
but he has been awesome this year. In no sport,
with the game hanging in the balance and a game
of that importance, do you play without your best player

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on the field when you could do something about it,
when they could have done something about it. It would be.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Like the Bulls in the NBA Finals and Jordan gets
hit and his nose is bleeding, and it's like, all right,
you could either take the timeout and get this sorted,
or he's got to come out and Phil Jackson be like,
I just sub him out. That's what they did last night.
You have two timeouts. I get it one time out emergency.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Okay, fine, fine, but even.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Then, with how much they were rushed, it might have
been an emergency and three timeouts.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Okay. Maybe on the likehood that the.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Unlike the Chargers get the ball back, you could take
three and get it back two timeouts.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
You're a no man's land.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
You can see on the sideline you're being rushed, and
you can also see because he was standing right by
the ref Jamar is right there, right, He's waiting to
go back in the game. Just take the time out
and he'll go back in, right.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I don't understand it, and I think the easiest way
to understand I saw a guy tweeted this out last night.
He tweeted out in twenty twenty one, but someone retweeted
it and it was an Angels fan. He's like, just
watched another Angels game. Mike Trout hit three home runs,
shoheo Tani did something that never has been done in
the game, and the Tigers beat the Angels eight three.

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I feel like we're living that with the Bengals right now,
because all we keep talking about is man Joe. Joe
is so good, Jamar is so good. All the team's
four and seven.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
So the team is four and seven. They lose another
heartbreaker last night, and you could just tell listening and
watching the body language of players after games and listening
to their quotes that we haven't reached a boiling point,
but we're getting there. You'll hear Jamar Chase from after
the game last night when we come back twenty minutes

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after three o'clock. We're at Twin Peaks in Westchester. Tony
and MO Football show here till six o'clock on ESPN
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are here until six o'clock. By the way, if you're
wondering no Zach Taylor press conference today, your heartbroken. I'm

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sure our listeners are heartbroken.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Do you want to go through what we think it
would be like? No, Yeah, we got the guys on
this roster. I'm believe in what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I listened to his post game YEP last night, and
that's that's sort of what it was. Joe Burrow's body
language after the game and chatting with the media. This
is not the first time we have talked about this.
He he looked like somebody who had just been told
his car was stolen.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
I don't know. I don't know if it was his
video or he had found it. But Brandon Sejo tweeted
out of video today and it's it's the camera following
Joe from the last play to when he gets in
the locker room and defeated. Yeah, defeated. It's defeated. Yeah,
like he can barely walk. It's a guy that gave
everything he has, and it's a guy who I had

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looked it up. In seven losses this year, has twenty
one hundred and fifty six yards, eighteen touchdowns and two picks.
Like he was asked to throw it fifty more times.
He took fourteen more quarterback hits, he got sacked three times.
He was under pressure of the whole game, and he's
doing everything he can. Literally, some of the plays he's making,
I mean, are superhuman. Yeah, and there's nothing to show

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for it, and it just shows in his body language.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
And then there was Jamar Chase after the game, Tarrean,
go ahead and get that audio ready, so Jamar and
I'll be honest with you you'll hear the audio. We
grabbed this from Olivia Ray at Channel five. It's a
video and there's the folks who were there in La
covering the game. All were hovering around Jamar Chase and
a number of them took video. But like you watch

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his body language, it's not great, and you could hear
the frustration both in his voice and in the words
that he said. Terran go ahead and play that audio
called this the most frustrating season of his career.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Would you say the same, Yeah?

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Why what's our record?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Why can you explain why the inconsistency has been there
all year? You guys can't seem to string together plays
or quarters or halves.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I don't know, man, I don't know what we're doing.
I don't know why we're on fans. I don't know
what we're doing to give ourselves an advantage to finish.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Still, be like when the playoffs are realistic? At this
point for one and seven, we feel.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Like y'all came Joe said, y'all are at the ten
that's winning out. How realistic do you think of that?
Giving y'alls for him?

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Honestly, I don't know, man, I have no clue. I
still believe in the guys in his locker room, though.
We just gotta find ways to finish.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
You've seen it in that finish like I've heard, everybody
obviously knows you need to do.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
What do you do? How do I do it? I
don't know. That's that. That's the coaches, that's me.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
That's not my job to finish. I play football in
the field. I don't call it plays of course, you know,
so I can't really do nothing.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You think that's part of the finishing factor. The game
with reporters yesterday and again thanks to Olivia Ray at
Channel five for letting us steal the audio.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
That's that's not a very happy man. Look, everyone has
a hand in it. Joe missed a couple of passes, sure,
Joe Jamar dropped two passes last night.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yes, and some critics.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Some critic goes to the Chargers and there was a
play where Jamar got the ball in the flats one
on one and the safety came down and made a play. Yes,
not out of ten times Jamar makes that happen. But
that is a guy that I just I don't think
they know now how to react. And you know you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I think they know how they want to react can
and because they're pros and good teammates, there's only so
much they're willing to say now. But there's six games
to go. Yep. If this continues, as Zach, if this,
if this continues, that's going to turn into maybe not
from Jamar, but someone's going to talk out of turn,

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so to speak.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
You know what, what I thought was interesting, and it
was Olivia Ray who posted this as well. From WOWT
I heard Jamar make a statement about McPherson. Joe was
asked about McPherson. Olivia tweeted out that they couldn't talk
to McPherson because he had already left the locker room
by the time the media was allowed in. Yeah, I
think that's weak, agreed. If every other player has to

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stand up there and talk and and take blame and
sift through things, why is Evan McPherson not in there. Yeah,
that looks weak to me to get in the locker
room and get out of there so quick that the
media can't even talk to you.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, I was. I was listening to Paul Danner Junior
and Jay Morrison this morning. They did their podcast at
like four o'clock in the morning, and I listened to
it when I got up, and Jay brought that up
and Paul did acknowledge. Look, essentially, we were gonna go
talk to Joe, we were gonna go talk to Jamar.
Maybe Evan would have been available, but at the end
of the day nobody heard from him. Yeah, and there

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is something about, like, you know, I mean, you're a
professional athlete. If you're gonna stand there sucks and you know,
when you make the game winning kick and feel all
the questions and enjoy it, then you kind of kind
of have to hang in there when you're one of
the goats. And maybe Evan wasn't the goat, but he
was one of a last night. And so you've got
Jamar having to answer questions about Evan McPherson instead of

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Evan McPherson answering questions about Evian McPherson.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, that to me doesn't make sense, and it it
to me expands more so on there's a culture in
this locker room, and there's this body language thing going
on on this team that just reeks of something that's
ready to boil over.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Trey Hendrickson knocked away Zach Taylor's arm when Trey was
upset and understandably so it was the wrong call about
a roughing the passer penalty, right.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
And then I watched Joe get hit worse twice.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Nothing done. Do you think anybody would do that to
Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Nope, because they wouldn't have to because he would already
be out there fighting for his player. And I'm not
saying that on the inside Joe Zach doesn't fight, but
outside in those situations, very rarely do you see Tree
Hendrickson like that. He knew he was he knew he
was called for a penalty that wasn't what he committed.
Joe is consistently pulling himself up off the ground. Even

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said last week it's not my job to go at
the official. Someone's job is to do that. Yeah, how
many coaches worked like we talked about all the time,
that coach is working the officials. Man, your guys are
getting the raw end of some calls. There's frustration building
over and I don't see Zach going after these officials.

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That's like, if I'm Zach, I need Trey's support. I
need Joe behind me. So whenever I can go to
bat for them.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I am.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
We talked last week, what was Zach's comment about the
old line. Well, you know, when you look, Joe does
hold the ball pretty long to make like he got
hit thirteen times. And instead of Zach saying, well the
old linees are good enough, Zach is saying, well, you
know he's holding the ball.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
That's your dude.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Have his back when he's getting pride off the field
and can barely walk to the sideline. Have his back
about some illegal hits that are happening, some roughing the
passer calls. Instead, there's no thing. That's what I think
Trey Hendrickson was doing that like, what are we doing?
Are we not gonna say anything about that? It was

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I mean, I give credit to whatever was said at halftime,
because they fought in the second half.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yes, fine, whatever that's need. It took them falling behind
twenty four to six.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
But that looked like a team and a culture in
a locker room that I would say is trending in
the wrong direction.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
They got a three and out to start the game
on defense, and then for all the talk of again
urgency coming off the mini by this is when we
turn our season around. They looked lifeless. They looked listless,
and they looked unprepared on that side of the football.
Now is it need o that in the second half
they rallied and yeah, fine, awesome, where was it in

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the first half, because because the real reason they lost
the football game is because they got destroyed in the
first half, we could talk about McPherson and we broke
down that play. It looked like bravy in the first half.
It was astonishing the ease with which the Chargers moved
the ball. You and I did the pregame show yesterday.
What do we talk about? You know what, this is

(24:06):
a run heavy team. But man, at some point, Jim
Harball is gonna say to Justin Herbert, go be Justin Herbert,
and this could perhaps be the defense against which he
does that. And it happened last night.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
There are so many accountability and coaching question we could
do three hours on that tonight. Like I'm watching last
night and we had the conversation on the show yesterday.
You know why did it take everything happening? And then
it's all Xavier and Howard's got to be the guy.
Last night, all I heard was DJ Turner and it's like, well,
this loss is devastating because of how DJ Turner was playing.

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It's week eleven. You're just now figuring out that he's
better than Kam Taylor Brett. That's coaching. What the decisions
and the roster and the makeup. It took us that
long and Cam Taylor Britt be in that bad to
give DJ Turner a chance, a legitimate chance like that's
why the roster and the accountability and every now I

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can assure you this, players are now watching in the
locker room. If I'm a player, defense is terrible. We're
six in the NFL at points per game, we have
four wins. Is anyone gonna be held accountable? Like in
other places, heads would be rolling today, heads would be
rolling because of how bad this organ they have failed

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at four and seven what was supposed to be a
super Bowl year, and instead of showing that accountability, it's
just status quo. Right now, we got the guys that
are good enough. Well, we'll find guys on this.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Roster when where they've played eleven games.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Where and when I can assure you that right now,
with the culture and what's going on, especially on a
bye week, players are paying attention to the locker room. Sure,
and what kind of message is going to be said
between now and the Pittsburgh Steeler game.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I have no idea. I'm baffled by it. No, the
message I heard last night was we're good. Yeah, this
is good enough. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Now we can't get over the DJ Turner loss, who
was couldn't find the field for ten weeks.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
For this team, they're four and eleven, right, this is
who they are. Yep, this is who they are, and
so if the status quo remains, this is what they're
going to be. We are way late twenty four from
four o'clock, We're a twin peaks and it's The Tonyall
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(26:28):
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news for DJ Turner unfortunately not good. Mikeae Ruffalo of
NFL Media reports that he is dealing with a fractured
clavicle and done for the season. Injured last night, played

(26:52):
very well up until the injury. Bengals lose to the
Chargers thirty four to twenty seven bye week this week,
Bengals will host the Pittsburgh Steelers a week from Sunday.
Look at that. That's a big old played a chicken
tenn man That pretty good. Monday Night Football Tonight battle
of Texas Texans and Cowboys. That right. The Cowboys shoved
down our throats again on Savage one about the Bengals

(27:13):
they play in entertaining games. Yeah, Cowboys nuts.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
You know they can't move the Bengals Cowboys game because
of the Simptons. Simpsons Graphics. Saw that from Jay Morrison today.
There's no chance to get flexed as they already got
the graphics for the Simpsons built in saved by the Simpsons.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, Tonight's games on ESPN fifteen thirty College basketball, you
see eighteenth AP Top twenty five poll, sixteenth in the
Coaches poll, Kentucky up to ninth in the AP, eleventh
in the Coaches Pole, Indiana six eighth, sixteenth AP Top
twenty five, and eighteenth in the Coaches Pole. Xavier with
enough votes to finish twenty eighth and twenty seventh, respectively.

(27:51):
Musketeers played well on Saturday against wake Forest. Shawn Miller
Show tonight at seven on fifty five KRC. The Miami
RedHawks on the road tonight against miss again. Red's picture.
Nick Martinez says, hell yes to that qualifying offer. Nick
Martinez did well last year. Good acquisition. It's gonna make
more twenty million bucks Martine.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
He waited to see, is anyone else? No one else's
bite nine, I'll sign it. Where do I sign? And
how quickly Nick Martinez is making links?

Speaker 2 (28:17):
You know, okay? Starting quarterback money out in the NFL
quarter yep hockey. Tonight, the Blue Jackets skate at Boston
sixteen away from four o'clock for comic relief.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
My favorite, well not my favorite, but one of the
things I found myself enjoying is like all the statistic
with how good Joe Burrow has been, and uh, there
was one that came out and I think you and
I just got tagged in a Jacob.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Ka tweeted out.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Through the first eleven games four and seven Bengals, Burrow
has three twenty eight passing yards, twenty seven tds, five interceptions.
Listen to this list of players to achieve three thousand
or more yards twenty seven plus touchdowns five few interceptions
through their first eleven games, and gives the team records
Tom Brady and O seven and twenty fifteen, sixteen and

(29:04):
O thirteen and three years, Aaron Rodgers in twenty eleven
and twenty twenty fifteen and one and thirteen and three,
Mahomes in twenty twenty fourteen and two, Drew Brees in
twenty eighteen, thirteen and three. He is putting up historical numbers.
He should be the MVP front runner, should be, and
there're four and seven, which is why he won't be,
which is why he won't be.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Right. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Like how much I said earlier that this is what
Angels fans went through with how good Trout and O
Tani were.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
But this was as much as you and I and
so many of us rolled our eyes and got tired
of the pre draft conversation. At the end of the day,
this is what people were referring to. Yeah, he goes there,
he's great. Like everybody acknowledged Joe Burrow is a chance
to be a terrific NFL quarterback. You would have some

(29:55):
reasonable folks that would argue maybe Herbert should go to
number one overall, but every evaluator, So this guy's a
chance to be really good. The questions were, if he
goes to Cincinnati and he's really good, is that going
to be wasted? Now, to be fair, he's played into
AFC championship games, so it's not like they've won nothing.
But still, yeah, I think this season is what everybody
was referring to when they wondered, is that really going

(30:17):
to work? As great as Joe may be, is that
really going to work in Cincinnati? And this year? The
answer is no. And what I fear is moving forward,
the answer for much of Joe Burrow's prime is also
going to be no.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
The fear is is that since that time of the
draft he's also been sacked one hundred and seventy one times.
That's most in the NFL since that time, and that's
not counting the quarterback hits. And now on top of
it all, you work through that emotionally as a player
when you're playing for an AFC title in the Super Bowl?
How do you emotionally get through that when you're four
and seven. That's the Joe that we saw come out

(30:54):
of the locker room and up to the podium last night.
That's tough.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, I mean or him. Even when we're really good,
I'm getting my ass kicked.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
And at some point with Joe. We talk about this
all the time. We watch NFL offenses every weekend. It
just comes easy to a lot of offenses. They have
really good players, but they're not asked to shoulder every
single thing the offense does. Mahomes is unbelievable. Not asked
to shoulder everything, Herbert Herbert, not asked Josh Allen. This year,

(31:25):
they lose their weapons, still not asked to shoulder everything.
They go and get James Cook, Jared Goff. Jared Goff
is not like and yet you turn around and Burrow
is literally asked to do everything. I just that style
and that mindset cannot continue. Or we are going to
be talking about the ultimate doomsday scenario, because we've already

(31:49):
talked about with injuries, where you just keep playing with
fire so much he's getting up slower.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
One of two things will happen. Either he's gonna get
hurt again and again and again and his career is
going to be defined by injury, or he's going to
get tired of it and something's going to happen. Now,
what is something? Because one will say, well, he's under
contract for a long time. I don't know. Is it
ever good to have your most valuable employee disgruntled with

(32:19):
his coworkers, his bosses, the people who run the place.
So I would just say, let this continue. The luck,
the superlative performances, the non winning, and the repeated abuse
that he's taking. Let it continue. And tell me if
you don't think there's a place where Joe Burrow goes
screw this now. What that looks like, in what course

(32:40):
of action he takes, I don't know, But do you
want to try it? Do you want to go there?
I do not want this franchise to have to go there.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Do you know what else makes it worse? If you
evaluate a third round guy and he doesn't turn out
to be the guy in Jermaine Burton?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
You know, And I think this is a Joe gave
Jermaine chances last night.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I think this is a conversation that we can expand
on in the show as well. But you know, if
Jamar is gonna make what he's gonna make, Joe's making
when he's gonna make. The emphasis goes on coaching, development,
free agency, and drafting. Right, they have failed in those situations. Like,
it's not lack of spending money. They've spent some money
on the old line. Have they spent it the right way?

(33:17):
Is Alex Kappa? A good investment? Is Cordell Volson right now?
A good draft pick?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
No, So Cordell Volson's where he is because they whipped
on Jackson Carmen.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yes, but if Borrow, you're like, this is who we're
this is who we're paying. Yeah, if you're Borrow, this
is who they're drafting. These are the tight ends we signed, Like,
this is the running back we got. This is like
eventually that's gonna continue, and there has to be a
conversation to be had today about how good players were

(33:49):
before they come here or when they leave here.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
First when they're here.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Free agent class, you got a safety that has seven
interceptions in the NFL that looks like he shouldn't be
on an NFL field.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I have never seen a city if he'd take worse
angles in my life than Geno Stone.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
So you have him. We were told Joe Mixon can't
thrive in this system. He's thriving in Houston. Zach Moss
was fantastic for Indy last year and Apparently all these
teams were in a bitting war for Zack Moss. People
wanted him out of here well before he got hurt.
There has been a track record of other players. So
is it the evaluation? Is it the scheme? Is it

(34:25):
the coaching that these players just somehow get here and
they failed?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Well? And look, you Sean Regans has been a good player. Yeah,
you can let players walk if you replace them, right.
So look at Cam Taylor Britt last night, and I
think about this. He was the guy they said that
Chouldobie Wuse thanks SIA CTV is going to be the
new number one coin. Okay. In the biggest game of
the season, he got bingched. Yep. Now he came back
in because DJ Turner got hurt. But how about that.

(34:50):
You're CB one in the biggest game of the season.
And by the way, not in a game where they
were running out their version of Jamar Chase and T Higgins.
In the biggest game of the season, CB one hit the.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Bench, Clinton Johnson, Will Dissey, Lad mcconki right, just carved
you up right.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Year three, This was hey, look we can so fine
some good okay.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
So is it the player or is it the coaching
in the scheme, or is it the evaluation of bringing
that player in. There is a epic failure somewhere, or
it could be failures at all levels. Well, you and
I were told for years Joe Mixon can't play here.
I'm watching Joe Mixon watch tonight. Joe Mixon will be
in on third down and he'll be picking up preussures.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
He did it last week in the game that.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
They lost, but we were told he can't do that right, right, So, like,
what where's the disconnect?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's somewhere, I mean with that specifically, and I think
I texted you. I watched that game against Detroit last week,
and Joe statistically didn't have an awesome game, But there
was a play on a third down. Mixing's on the
field and he plugs the gap, picks up a guy
come in. Stroud gets the pass off, and then Collinsworth
talks for thirty seconds about Joe Mixon picking up the blitz.
I asked you this three or four weeks ago. It's

(35:58):
before Zach Moss got hurt, exactly what you talked about.
Mixon wasn't a good fit here. Okay, Moss was a
good fit here, but the production is basically the same.
It's is it the player of the fit? Right? Is
it the player of the fit? At some point is
that the player of the team.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Genostone had to be good enough last year that he
had seven interceptions on the Baltimore Ravens and played and started. Yeah,
and now he can't cover anybody, he can't tackle. Are
you really in one year that much worse? I don't,
I'm I don't know how to. I can't figure it out.
And I free agency in the draft have been such failures.

(36:38):
And when you're gonna pay two players ninety plus million
by just them two, then you have to hit on
the draft and you have to hit in free agency,
and they're not doing it.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
It is eight away from four o'clock. We're here at
uh I'm gonna eat a very cathartic show.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
So far positives, Oh, we'll talk about the Bearcats. You
said positives. You see basketball? Okay, that's a positive, yep.
Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Not a positive. Not a positive fight that came before
it positive. It is eight away from four o'clock. We're
a Twin Peaks in Westchester, Tony and Mo Football show.
On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2 (38:02):
What's Up five after four ESPN fifteen thirty Moeggar with
Tony Pike its the Tony and Mother Football Show at
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If you're getting off work here anytime soon. If you're
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(38:23):
off those chicken tenders very quickly. When are we getting
our hot fudge show. It's like a hot Fudge Day.
It's gonna be a hot Fudge Sunday Day. We've got
cold beer, great weight staff, We've got hot fudge Sunday's coming.
Nobody has brought us bourbon yet, but that's okay. There's
plenty of time. There's a lot of time between now
and six.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
If not now, you know, in ten years doing this. Yeah,
one of our favorite shows.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
This is the tenth season of The Tony of Mo
Football is one of.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Our favorite shows of the year. Is the Bye Week Show.
It is that's next week. Yes, it also happens to
fall right smack deb in the middle of the holiday season.
So if you're thinking, like man, Tony and Mo they've
been out of ten years. Yep, they've been a staple
of our Mondays. Come to the Bye Week Show.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
It is one of the best shows.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Have some fun and if you're inclined, I don't mind
which kind I'd like bourbon of all kinds, bourbon cigar, yeah,
big cigar Guy.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Really pretty much any cash.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I was surprised you didn't have a cigar Friday night.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Little chili, Yeah, little chili.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Well, you were so glued to the TV waiting for
Mike Tyson and Jake Paul. This tough one. I appreciate
the folks in Iowa. Yes, because we found an establishment Tonic.
Is there any chance we could get the UC gets
on ESPN Plus. Not only they put it on, they

(39:42):
put it on every single TV at the bar, to
a point like the fights were starting, and the guy
came up who owned the place and turned it back
on for us.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yes, he's like sorry about it, and the game was
out of HND. We said like, hey.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Man, he's like, I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
He had this gentleman who owns this barn and des Moines.
We found it. It was called Tonic and very very
cool place. They put the Bearcat game on for us.
Remember it's six o'clock out there, so but they were
advertising a watch party for the the Jake Paul Mike
Tyson fiasco, which I was excited about. And then about
three and a half minutes into the actual box and

(40:17):
said to myself, this is atrocious, but anyway, so it's
it's time for the fights to come on. And the
guy comes over and says, we're going to turn the
basketball back on for you, and we're like, look, it's
kind of out of a hand and playing nicol State
went in by a thousand points. Bearcats played well, and
he was insistent. He's like, no, no, no, you guys
are here, you're you know, you're buying beer, spending money,
and so he put the game back on for us

(40:37):
the folks in Iowa. I mean, it was a miserable
game on Saturday for us, for for Bearcat fans, but
the folks in Iowa could not have been nicer. And
by the way, des Moines underrated spacity very Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
I wonder because we where we were staying, you could
see the Wells Fargo Arena that they have there. Yeah,
do they haven? Are they an NCAA tournament host this year?
I don't believe so, but I'll oh because I would
go back.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
If let's say the Bearcats were the fore seed in
Des Moines.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I'd go back. You're going four seed already for seed? Yeah,
that's what I like. All right, fine, I'd sign me
up for that.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
I letessn't have their name. One of the biggest things
that we've been.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
They are not in Des Moines.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
This okay, one of the things we've been that's been
taken away from us. It's it's been my favorite thing
when they've made it. I love traveling to the first
round of the NCA tournament. The year they were in Louisville,
They've been in Nashville, Columbus, Columbus. None of ended particularly
well except the uh or the one in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Twenty twenty eight, first and second round in Des Moines.
Here we go at the Wells Fargo Arena. Yep. So
put it on your calendar. Des Moines. Pretty nice, you said,
what year twenty twenty eight? Oh good gracious, I'd be
probably two seed, probably defending a national champion, right, you
never know.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Coming back defending a title. This was a positive an
this show needed most.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
It was the positivity that this show needed. So we've
we've talked a lot about Zach Taylor, and I think
you and I, over the course of his time here,
have been very fair to him. Where when he has
deserved credit for their successes, we have given it to him,
and where he has deserved some criticism, we have given

(42:21):
it to him. I'm still willing to do that. I'm
still willing to give him credit where there are successes.
There just aren't enough this year. And by the way,
talking about Zach Taylor doesn't mean we don't talk about
Duke Tobin or other members of the coaching staff. But
I think there are a lot of fans who have

(42:41):
reached kind of a tipping point with Zach, and I
understand it. Yeah, here's what I here's the exercise that
I would do. Let's look at the teams. Let's just
look at the the the AFC playoff picture, all right,
Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Houston, Hargers, it's Denver. Let's

(43:02):
limit it to those teams. How many of those teams
would be upgrading their head coach if they replace the
guy they have now with Zach Taylor? Zero zero, Buffalo, No.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
How many of those teams if you went into a
game and you put everyone up quarterback, wide receiver and
you just did, Okay, who's got the advantage? How many
of those games or teams would you check coaching to
the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
So that's the thing. So again, I can appreciate a
lot of the good work that Zach Taylor has done.
But we've talked about the Bengals in the Super Bowl
window where their competitors aren't. The Cleveland Browns not supposed
to be, not supposed to be, the New York Jets
not supposed to be, the dregs of the league. They

(43:46):
have an elite quarterback, and so we should be talking
about them competing with the elite teams. So coaching isn't
the only thing that matters, but it does. Kansas City
has a future Hall of Famer. The Pittsburgh Steelers have
a future Hall of Famer. The Baltimore Ravens I believe
have a future Hall of Famer. They're not perfect coaches,
but guys who are going to be in camp. The
Denver Broncos probably have a future Hall of Famer. The

(44:08):
Houston Texans have one of the I think best young
and upcoming coaches in the sport in Tamiico Ryans. And look,
it's not to say that the rosters aren't good or
in Houston's case, j Stroud, But the LA Chargers the
team last night you may hate Jim Harball. Jim Harball
is an elite coach who's had a lot of success
at the pro and college level in any of those situations,

(44:31):
In any of those instances, Sean McDermot in Buffalo, I
think there's some exasperation with him. They've lost a lot
of playoff games. He's in a little bit of a
different category for me.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
But you know what they've done. He has said, Okay,
what was working, what we had wasn't working. Right, We're
moving on from these players. We're changing our coordinator, and
we're going to do it different. We have a different identity.
The Chargers came in and said we are going to
have a different identity. They took Justin Herbert and said, hey,
we're taking Eckler, We're taking Mike Williams, We're taking Keenan Allen.
We're moving off from Wall. We're gonna draft to tackle right,

(45:01):
We're gonna go get a running game, and we are
gonna rebuild this from the ground up, and we need
you to buy in. There is a coaching advantage for
all those teams that would be above the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
So yeah, so just look at the game last night.
If we're doing you know, it's fun to talk about
Burrow versus Herbert, Right, those are two terrific quarterbacks. I
prefer Joe. That doesn't mean Justin's not gonna be a
terrific quarterback in this league. But if we're doing you know,
the position by position. When it got to head coach,
did you even think about not taking Jim Harball. No,
Bengals will play the Steelers a week from some day. Now,

(45:32):
that's not a perfect team. Mike Tomlins had his game
management issues. Whose roster is back? When we do quarterback,
running back, wide receiver coaching, you're taking Tomlin or Zach
Taylor Tomlin. So if among the teams they're supposed to
be competing with for a championship, you're always taking the
other guy's head coach. I'm not sure you had the
right guys your head coach.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Here's the realness of the Zach Taylor situation. For me,
say what you want. Joe Burrow's brilliance and the defense
with Evan McPherson got that team to a Super Bowl,
got that team to an AMC title game. The other
year's first year, Okay, give him a pass. Outside of that,
Joe's been hurt, so you could kind of hide the

(46:12):
flaws because it's like, well, Joe's hurt, what do you
want me to do.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah. And by the way, you mentioned last year, right,
I think Zach Taylor deserved a season amount of credit
for getting Jake Browning ready to play and be function.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
But that's the craziest thing about it. Last year they
were on the cusp of the playoffs with Jake Browning,
and coaches in the front office when the season ended said.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I think the roster's all right.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Well, had a couple like they were on the cusp
of the playoffs with Jake Browning, and you have Joe
Burrow coming back healthy and instead of going all in, this.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Is the roster they assembled.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
But more often than not, you and I MO are
talking on this show on Mondays about the offense disappearing
for too long, about the end game adjustments, about the
game plan, about how in a game like night, when
you have a mini by and your backs are against
the wall and your season's on the line, how do
you come out and sleepwalk to a first half? How
do you start to every season slow?

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Right? That falls back on the head coach. So here's
what I wonder. Okay, the Detroit Lions scored fifty two
points yesterday. They have a head coach and bent or
an offensive coordinator in Ben Johnson, who last year was
considered maybe the leading head coaching candidate for both the
Washington Commanders and the Seattle Seahawks. Prior to twenty twenty three,

(47:32):
he was pursued by the Carolina Panthers. Now, the Seahawks
are okay, and I happen to think they have a
pretty good head coach and Mike McDonald. The Commanders struck
gold with jayde and Daniels, but that has been a
mess of an organization for quite a while. The Panthers
no offense, Tony are a train wreck. So Ben Johnson's
gonna be a head coach one day, Right, It's just

(47:53):
a matter of this guy's being selective. I'm gonna find
I'm gonna find the right situation. Yeah, why would you
not want to pay him? With Joe Burrow? Yep. Like
everybody who covers this league, I know everybody's wondering where
Bill Belichick is going to end up. That's a different conversation.
Everyone who covers this league has talked about and written about.
Boy in Detroit. They've got a guy. It's just a

(48:14):
matter of time. Yep. It's just that guy's going to
be selective. He's not looking to leave Detroit until he
can find the right spot. But if you're the Bengals,
how do you not see if it could be the
right spot here?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
The Bengals have anyone on the staff that another team
would be talking like that with.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I think it was Atlantis.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
But there was a quote last night that Collins were
said that meeting with Harball this week, He's like, I
love Jesse Minner, but I won't have him pass this
year because he'll be a head coach.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Right, Did Bengals have anything like that?

Speaker 4 (48:37):
No.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
I listened a couple of weeks ago leading in it
was last Wednesday, Colin Coward's talking about the Bengals and
the Ravens and the differences that they built around their quarterback.
And Colin Coward said, and I didn't even think about
it until more today, he said. Brian Callahan moved on
to Tennessee. Did the Bengals open up this like national
search and go beat down doors to find who the next?

(49:00):
Did they get into a bidding war to say Cliff Kingsbury,
let's go get him. Instead they just said we'll hire
within instead of saying, wait a second time out. We
almost made the playoffs with the backup r oc and
I know he doesn't call the plays. Is leaving instead
of doing the easy thing and just promoting from within.
Why didn't they, like, looking back on it now, why

(49:23):
didn't they go national That's.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Just not what they do.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Correct. But if this team would have said, holy cow,
this is the time. Now we got Tea coming back
for one more year, let's go national search. Let's go
find the best offensive coordinator or the best offensive mind,
and let's get Joe in on it. Joe, what do
you think of these guys? Joe Brady, his guys now
calling plays in Buffalo, doing a hell of a job.

(49:49):
Why was there not a national search? Or are you
not knocking down the doors or getting into a bidding
war to get one of the best offensive minds in
here to be the old of Joe Burrow and Jamar
Chas and t Higgins.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Instead, because pitch pitches the third down he's coming up
with the third down plays. It's pitch yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Instead, well we'll just quietly promote Dan Pitcher.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I don't know what that that shot you were doing
in Des Moines on Friday was, what was you did
a few of them shanky. I don't know what it was, shanky.
Do you think if we gave Joe Burrow a few
of those and we got him to speak the truth
and said, Joe, who do you want to coach the
Bengals next year? Zach Taylor?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Ben Johnson, Well, if we got him into that, there's
about one hundred questions I'd like to ask Joe. Yes,
I think, and I think now again, winning changes everything.
Locker room's good because you're there. Maybe there are bigger voids,
or maybe they are bigger problems, but they get covered
by winning. When you're losing, Like you see it on

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Joe's face right right that you can't hide it anymore.
I am you saw it in the game on the
sideline where he was a death stare at Zach Taylor
what he feels.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I'm a big believer in body language often tells you
more than verbal language, and the body language I have
watched from Joe Burrow speaks volumes and again, I believe
on this show and on yours and on mine, when
Zach Taylor has earned criticism, we have given it to him.
When he has earned praise, we have given it to him.

(51:26):
We've been very fair to him. I just I look
at a franchise that's at a bit of a crossroads,
and I just wonder have they've gotten as far with
Zach as they're going to go. And if we're no
longer talking about the Bengals being in rebuild mode and
we want to put them in a conversation with the
NFL's elite, Okay, you need any quarterback they've got, when
you need other elite players, the Bengals have a handful.

(51:49):
Do they have an elite coach? Because I think they
do in Kansas City, I think they do in Pittsburgh.
I think they do in Baltimore. I think they they
may in Houston. You know, Sean Payton has had his issues,
but that's a guy that's won a ring. Denver Broncos
looked unreal yesterday. And if you want to extend the
conversation to some of the other teams, BOYD feels like

(52:10):
Dan Campbell's the right guy there in Detroit. I mean, like,
I just in how many if we're talking about the
Bengals among the elite against how many of those teams,
either head to head in a game or just over
the next couple of years, would you say you know what,
the Bengals had a coaching advantage none right now?

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Is it a pride thing with Zach do you think,
because what better opportunity Because we've talked a lot about
maybe he just needs to be a head coach. Because
if you're a head coach, instead of trying to figure
out what play you're gonna call on second and ten
with a minute left, maybe you're looking in saying play
clock's winding down. Wait timeout, But Jamar is not a
time out, time out, timeout left.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Talk about it.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
But when you're a play caller and a head coach,
a lot of that overlaps. So we had a chance.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
He had a free out.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
He has taken this team to a Super Bowl, taking
him to two AFC title games.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
He had the easy out this year.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Offense has been an issue consistently, has been an issue.
Callahan leaves he had the opportunity to cement himself for
here as long as he wanted, bring in a national
name of oc. Let someone else call the place and
be the head coach and let that side cook and
figure out the defensive side. Maybe if he's not doing
offense as much, maybe you can figure out the defensive

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side of the ball. Maybe you can have more of
an input there. You know, things things happen, people change.
Luke Thinkel's gonna call plays for Wisconsin offensively about that
people change he had.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I'll be painfully honest with you. That's gonna work. But
I hope he had to get out of jail free
card mood.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
They could have went and got a big time OC.
I like I've I've talked before. I got a good
buddy that played at Miami. Dolphins offensive coordinator is a
Miami guy, Frank Smith, Mike Dolphins are fun. Dolphins know
how to use their personnel. Ben Johnson knows how to
use personnel. Cliff Kingsbury is doing wonders in Washington with

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a rookie quarterback. And and they don't have the weapons
that the Bengals have. They don't have that, they don't
have the quarterback the Bengals have, they don't have the
skilled players that the Bengals have, and zactly like nah
damn Pitcher, this guy's a genius.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Just wait. But but you know, like here's the thing.
I mean, one might argue the head coaching part is
the problem because the Bengals offense is good, right.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
But they're but but they are still susceptible to let
We saw a half of six points or in the
Super Bowl seven eight possessions with nothing sure, and that
is why earlier in the year, in the win it
was the last game they win, Joe Burrow was so
mad because you know, Joe knows that they can't afford three, four,
five series of nothing.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
That's why he was frustrated.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
That still haunts this offense unless it's Joe, like, how
many times this year have they done something and you're like, man,
clean pocket, hit your third step, fire the ball, guys,
wide open. That's skin more of the Bengals is Burrow
extending Burrow b and Houdini Jamar being awesome, t being awesome.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
That's not sustainable. We watched the Denver Broncos yesterday, Oh
my god, with bo Nicks. I don't know that I've
seen a team this year aside from Detroit and a
bunch of times with Baltimore make it look as easy
effortless as the Broncos did yesterday. And a bow Knicks
is certainly ascending. That's not coaching effortless, that's not Sean Payton.

(55:30):
So again, want the Bengals to be among the elite.
Do they have a coach that matches wits or gives
them an advantage ahead of the coaches of the elite
teams in the NFL? It's a fair question. Twenty three
after a four o'clock He's Tony Pike on moegor Tony
and Mo Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
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Speaker 2 (56:00):
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Through the first eleven games, Joe Burrow has threeenty twenty
eight passing yards, twenty seven touchdowns and five picks. Players
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first eleven games Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, and
Drew Brees. What makes that interesting is when Tom Brady
did it oh seven, his team won sixteen and oh fifteen,
his team went thirteen and three. Aaron Rodgers and twenty eleven,
his team won fifteen and one, twenty twenty one, thirteen
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fourteen and two. Drew Brees. His team finished thirteen and three.
In twenty eighteen, Joe's team is four and seven and
by the way, Joe's victory versus defeat splits. In the
seven games the Bengals have lost, Joe Burrow is averaging
more than three hundred passing yards per game. He has
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of one oh seven point six. Those are good stats,
yet they're sad stats because the Bengals aren't winning enough.
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Speaker 1 (58:30):
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Speaker 6 (58:37):
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Speaker 2 (58:47):
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that DJ D Turner has broken his classical that, according
to Ian Rappaport of NFL Media, injured in last night's game,
a thirty four to twenty seven loss to the Chargers.

(59:08):
Bengals are off this weekend. They will host the Pittsburgh
Steelers a week from Sunday live on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty, It's the Texans and Cowboys
Monday Night football. College basketball Tonight, Miami Redhawk's on the
road against Michigan. You see eighteenth in the AP Top
twenty five Men's poll, sixteenth Coaches poll, Kentucky ninth in

(59:31):
the AP Pole, eleventh in the Coach's poll, and Indiana
sixteenth in the AP Pole, eighteenth in the coaches polls
AVI Your twenty seventh and twenty eighth, respectively. Sean Miller
showed tonight at seven o'clock on fifty five KRC. Nick
Martinez accepts the qualifying offer from the Reds. What you're thinking,
Nick Martinez? Yeah, unbelievable. You owe me to what I'm

(59:55):
gonna make? What to do? What?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Where do you want me to sign this? Mar Teaz
is gonna make t Higgins money next year?

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
And again Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Martinez, who is like a long relief right and a
good one swing pitcher.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
It's making t Higgins money. Wow, unbelievable hockey. Tonight the
Blue Jackets skate against Boston.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
You know, it's crazy that the DJ Turner injury is
now being taken as like all they've lost their best
secondary piece. Well when he couldn't even get on the field, can.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I rest of the year. I'm I want to hire
Chris Collinsworth to be my hype man because if and
and Chris is an astonishingly good broadcaster. I mean, has
had a great career. But if you're playing on Sunday
night and you make like two good plays in the game,
you're the guy. He'll put you in Canton. DJ Turner

(01:00:50):
had a good game last night. I'm heartbroken for him
that he's hurt. It sucks for the team. But if
you knew nothing else, you would think this was like
this was like prime Derell Reevis.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Yep, Turner Island Turner Island.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Literally like I'm like, yeah, Chris like DJ Turner, I'm
glad he's getting a shot, But I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Call him Xavier Howard back today we almost have to right,
there is don't you have to?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yes, all right, an Xavier.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Yes, there is there's a problem, and there's a it's
partially a sickness, and I get like, I just talked
to my aunt during the break and the first thing
she says to me since seeing me since last night,
what if they just win their next six, they'll be
in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Oh oh. And it's that type.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Of mentality, dude, that has given me the sickness that
I have. I react to U see losses and Cincinnati
Sports losses. I don't handle a loss well. Same and
I blame optimism that I just heard from my aunt
over the break of well, they'll just win the next six.
She and then I buy myself back in and I
get mad, and I see her last night. Yeah, she's

(01:01:57):
tormented last night because they're losing ruins her day, and
now today she's back on, well, win the next six,
they'll be in with ten wins.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
She's just the first.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
It's the same madness. He's just that Cincinnati Sports buys
us back into. That drives me insane. And it's the
same reason that I get so mad week after week
with losses.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
She's just the first because first of all, we have them.
There's a bye week, Oh my god. And so you
know next week, you know they came out of the bye. Yeah,
they're healthier. Zach had a good talking to with his
team and they did team bonding.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
The team got together on the bye weekend, they watched
NFL games.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
They went over there to Top Golf and came out
to Twin Peaks. And then like, like, Detroit's gonna slaughter Indianapolis, right,
I hope? So so we're gonna have that, right? And
then who do the Broncos play? Denver goes to Vegas,
will pull off the upset because.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
They're still playing hard for their coach, and then they're
gonna win by not playing next week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Sure, so you know what's gonna happen. I'm already here
for it. Miami. Miami's hosting the Patriots. We're gonna emerge Monday.
I'm telling you there's gonna be a tone shift.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
There's a high week edition of the Tony in Motion Show.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
What if you just if you just get this one
against Pittsburgh? You just get this one? You know, did
he get a Dallas?

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Imagine what this team does by beating their first opponent
with a winning record.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
What does that do to a team's confidence?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Then you could have Dallas and then you're gonna Nashville
and beat the Titans, and you know, boy, they'll be
favored against the I mean, Jenny's just the first. She
has won the race. Now it's who's second. Who's who's
gonna be right behind her to be second in line
to go, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
And I was sitting across the table and he's like, nah,
I turned it off with Macpherson and missed a kick
last night, so he's in a difference, like he that's
I need to go into games like that now. I
maybe if I think UC's gonna finish five and seven,
Maybe if I think that the Bengals an't gonna win
a ball, like aren't gonna to make the playoffs? Am
I am? I at least allowing myself to mentally be
let down because now it's affecting my life. Last night,

(01:04:05):
I'm not sleeping, I'm yelling in the house, the kids
are waking up, no one's getting sleep. It's putting a
strain on me, on my marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
That's a problem. It's a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Maybe I just need to take this approach that I'm
just gonna feel this pain my whole life with Cincinnati Sports.
I'll start talking to myself and Nick Martinez being the
fourth starter next year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
You know, I've gone to marriage counseling. Oh well, and
then I got divorced.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
I'm worried about the shoot Mentally, I'm thinking about the
shootout now and what's gonna happen with that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
They're gonna be in kay you tomorrow, Yeah, and kay
you tomorrow. They gotta play dating again.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
And that was a slaughter last It's just been Cincinnati
sports for as long as I can remember.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
And yet but we buy back in. By the time
you and I are on the air the morning of
the Steeler game with Ken Brew, who was listening today,
Text him he's listening by Ken. By the time we
go on the there will be a tone shift. You
know what Pittsburgh they they play, They play Thursday against Cleveland. Oh,
that'll be a dog fight. Russell Russell Wilson didn't play

(01:05:08):
that well against the Ravens. They kick six field goals,
hold into six field goals. We will ensure that our
kicker doesn't try any field goals because he can't make one.
And you know, just get out of there with a
win and then all of a sudden, we are here,
we go, We're back. So it's it's coming. I know
how this works. Yeah, everybody who's writing them off today

(01:05:29):
is gonna wake up on that Sunday morning going we're back.
What they just just figure out away to beat the
Steelers figure out away to just eke one by and
then you know, schedule is kind of favorable. Deadver's not
that great, Mimmy's not that good, the Colts aren't very good.
This team's right back in it. Here's the things coming.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
If you haven't joined us at Twin Peaks yet, if
you were here right now, you could relive this last
minute and fourteen, which is now on the clock. Bengals
just got the ball back twenty seven to all Mough.
They're gonna go try to win this football game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
What should the Bengals do about their kicking situation?

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I at this point would not be opposed to trying
somebody else at kicker, I because it won. I think
it was John Shearon or someone who tweeted this out,
like you can't compare the two because of the money,
but the optics of Jamar Chase wanting to get a
deal done and you getting your extension done with McPherson

(01:06:30):
and still having nothing with Chase. Those optics now look
bad because McPherson's been awful. I mean, think about where
we're at right now. What distance would you be comfortable
at with McPherson, Well, forty five.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
I'll day. I'll tell you this. When he came out
for the second one, no chance, I said out loud.
I've never thought a guy was gonna miss a kick more,
no chance. I just sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
The first one at forty eight, I'm like, okay, it's
under fifty. This when we talked about on the pre
game show yesterday, at some point this year McPherson will
have to make a big kick and he'll be relied
on to kick a fifty plus yarder.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Talked about it all year. The second kick that he missed,
that is the first time in his career as a
Bengal that I have thought he wasn't gonna make it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Listen, if we're gonna make this run and win our
next six, can you trust Evan McPherson. No trotting out
there every single time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Chris Boswell six for six yesterday, a couple fifty plus
Yarders needed every one of them to beat the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I don't trust him. There has been now I assuming
they don't do anything with him and keep running him
out there. I hope he earned regains my trust, But
how do you trust him?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
He's missed kicks in four different one score losses this year,
Right for a team that's one in six and one
score games? Comes down to kicking now, Because the only
pushback I got today when I said anything about McPherson
was well, you're just gonna ben him after paying that money. Yes,
if it's what's best for the team. Am I gonna

(01:08:03):
loose sleep over a five million dollar kicker deal?

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
No, no offense. There's guys out there waiting right now
that'll make fit the orders. I don't know how you don't,
because again, if I'm Joe Burrow or I'm Jamar Chase,
I'm sitting back on this bye week and I'm watching
what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
These guys cost us a couple of games.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Well, and if you're his coach has been like as
a as a player, you want accountability.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Well, as a quarterback, we've talked about like Evan is
a weapon and how that can affect your play calling
when he's when he's been moneymack, how that can affect
your play calling, how you could use him as a weapon,
and how that affects your play as a quarterback. Now
if you're playing on certain third downs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Yeah, and you a force throw.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
We've got a force to throw because if we put
that guy on the field, he ain't gonna make it
like that's not that's not a good place to be
if you're a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
It affects the mindset of what you're doing when you
cross midfield, because when he was a weapon, it was
want a weapon because you cross midfield, you get one
first down, you're getting points. Well, now that that changes completely.
Now it changes third down play calling. Now it changes
maybe the aggressiveness to go or not go for a
fourth down and in certain situations. But again from a

(01:09:15):
locker room standpoint, you heard a little bit when we
played the Jamar Chase audio. There's players sitting back saying,
I'm busting my ass, I'm putting my body on the
line every single snap I'm producing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
This guy's not well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
And if that guy's not producing, why does he get
to keep the same job that I'm keeping.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
So That's what I wonder. Okay, they signed him, he's
got history, you're not gonna cut him loose. What if
he goes over to against Pittsburgh? Yeah, I mean like,
where's where's the threshold? Where's the threshold? Where's the point
where you're like, okay, we have paid him, but this
isn't working.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
If he makes one of those two last night, do
they win the way the defense was playing. Probably, defense
was playing great. Probably, I think so too. Probably it
took an unbelievable throw with pressure in his face and
getting hit for Justin Herbert to do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Let's let's say they go up three and get the
ball back with him minute ten. Your first your first
play is in a pass down field, right, I mean
you're yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
You're changing that completely, right, So now you're one first
down away and on third down, put the ball in
Joe's hands, and if you get a first down, it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
So I guess what I would what I would say
to the person who's like, well, you paid him, Like, okay,
they did, and if you don't want to pull the trigger, now,
that's fine. But does does the contract means he he
never gets removed? Can he go? Oh for his next ten,
Like like, how many more games do you have to
lose or how many more kicks would you have to
miss for you to go all right? Man, this guy

(01:10:43):
was great and he's an important part of our recent history,
and we did give him a contract. But this isn't working. Yeah, Like,
there has to be a point and if you want
to say it's not now, that's okay. But you can't
tell me, well, you can't move on from him, or
you can't try somebody else, And that's what it is about.
That's what it's about to me. You can't try somebody
else because this is what you've done again. Like if

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if he misses, and I'm being extreme here, let's say
he goes zero for two each of the next two games,
We're just gonna keep running him out there, Like there
has to be a point where you're like, dude, we're
done with this. I hope it doesn't happen. Right, he
goes three for three against Pittsburgh and he helps him
win the game. But you can't tell me that you
can't cut him or you can't find somebody else simply

(01:11:24):
because they gave him a contract and you drafted him.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
But to me, the issue becomes if that happens, So
you gonna stay in the post game and talk about
the kicks he made because the optic optics last night. Again,
the fact that Joe's got to answer and Jamar's got
to answer for Evan McPherson, who's not in the locker
room to get questioned like those are bad optics to me,
Like you, at that level, you have to be accountable.

(01:11:50):
You can't just have the good Can you imagine? Can
can you imagine Joe last night? I'm not talking to
the media, No, no, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
He played great.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Joe was mad because he missed two throws, he missed
the slant in the deep ball to Jamar. He threw
fifty times last night, gave them every chance to win,
and he's beating himself up and at that point, his
lowest point, he's got to go and answer questions and
Evan McPherson just gets a free pass.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah. I don't again, I agree with you. I will
allow for the fact that the people who covered the
team when they went in, they went to go talk
to Joe and Jamar. I mean, at that point, is
Evan supposed to just stand there?

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
You might argue the answer is yes, But I don't
know that there'd be some quote. I don't know I'm
gonna be fair to Evan here. I don't know that
he might have gone to his locker waited. All right,
nobody's coming to talk to me. Screw it. I mean,
I don't know, but yeah, at surface level, it's it's
not a good look ted away from five o'clock. He's
Tony Pike on moegor Tony and Mo Football Show twin

(01:12:54):
peaks in Westchester on ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station
Ohio Prime Sports has a you know the show is
back on the air. I want a hot Fudge Sunday
as well. Just hot fudge and vanilla ice cream and
whipped cream and some cherries. Multiple yeah, no brownie.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
See, I want the brownie, just no caramel.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
N I'm sorry that we had to do that, but
I mean, Mercedes was hair and I needed it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
We're coming up on the power hour here. We need
to I mean, you and I are. We're chugging along.
We are a late night when in Ames.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
We had a game in Ames that didn't go so well.
We got back at a late flight.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
We had a pregame show tomorrow or yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Four o'clock in the morning, got home, turned right back around,
was on the air yesterday at four o'clock. Yeah, and
then we're here. Yep, we're troopers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
We're troopers, and sometimes you need a hot fudge Sunday
to get through that final leg.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Might be more than a hot fudge Sunday that I
could use. But the hot fudge Sunday will be a
will be a good start, no, no question about that.
We still have an hour ago here at Twin Peaks
in Westchester. So if you're just getting off or come,
come have a hot fudge Sunday or a beer or both,
or get.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
A burn repairs best with a hot fudge Sunday. I
don't think it would be a beer. It'd be like
a bourbon.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Or a with a bourbon. It's fine. By over those
things we had in Iowa. I don't recall what they were.
Maybe look at my e I know they tasted well,
my lengthy barbacing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Never have I been sold more on a on a
drink than I was that night just by smelling something.
I was a little shocked when the check came out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Yeah, some beer pressure in fault as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Yeah, Yeah, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
A lot of quiet. Would you I wish this much money.
I wish some of that would have been available during
the game we were at, which we have to spend
some time on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Yeah, that's you know. I guess we want to start
strong in the third hour. Might not start with that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Bengals lose, bear Cats lose. There's a lot to discuss.
We haven't really talked about the rest of the today.
It is really exciting Week eleven in the NFL. We'll
do that when we come back. Tony and Mo Football
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Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Final Hour, The Power Hour, fueled by Hot Fud. Sunday's
The Tonian Mo Football Show its Twin Peaks in Westchester.
We are here until six o'clock sifting through the wreckage
of last night's Bengals lost to the LA Chargers thirty
four to twenty seven. Posted up here, till six. We're
back here next Monday for the bye week edition of
the Tony and Mo Football Show. We'll worry about that

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next week. A great place to post up. Watch Monday
night football tonight. I don't expected to be much of
a game. I could not be more bored with the
Dallas Cowboys, but they played tonight against the Houston Texans,
trying to bounce back after their prime time loss last
week to Detroit. You could watch that game here. Get
a meatball skillet, get a burger, get some wings, get
some ice cream, get a beer, hang out, enjoy yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
We've been doing this show a long time ago, ten years,
ten years, and most of the times we've done this
show and you've ordered something to eat, you kind of
pick at it over the course of time. Yeah, I've
never seen you put something down so quick like I
You housed that that Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Well, it wanted to melt right. Man. You could get
like some chicken wings and eat a few and then
go back on the air and it's gonna be okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Normally, I mean you're like, man, you just say five
chicken tenders over the course of a five minute break. Yes,
I do you usually take your you crush that it
was a good sunday. It's a very good sun It's
a great sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Yeah. I did ask for two cherries and I got
two cheer Oh, pretty good, man, pretty good. This is
a win. It it is a win. Unlike unlike last night, Bengals,
is is there any part of the game last night
that we haven't focused on?

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
We we did not single out how great when they're together,
number nine, number one and number five are. I mean
T Higgins was awesome last year, like last night, is
the T Higgins that you see when healthy and think, yeah,

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just because his catches are strong, like his extension, his
hands are strong, he gets yards after the catch. Like
we go back and I talked about, you know, Zach
kind of sticking up for players. I thought Zach should
have lost his mind. The way T Higgins got hit
early in the game. I thought that was dirty. But

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getting the view that we've been deprived of for much
of this season of those three on the field together
and what the offense can be. I just think we
take it for granted a little bit of how how
good those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
And it got dinged up last night. T Higgins is
a gamer, And you know it's funny. I was driving
home listening to the postgame show last night and T
Higgins was, I think the second player that Dave Lapham
talked to. And you know how Dave does. It's a
delicate situation. After a long lap talks about you know,
the game that he had and statistically, and T Higgins

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just kept saying, we lost. Yeah, I'm gonna miss him
when he's gone. But if I'm a Chargers fan, oh dude.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Yep, I mean, if you're looking for an audition, they
need help.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
From the outside. They've got seventy to seventy five million
dollars of camp room next year. They have fixed much
of the team. Like, yep, I mean. If I'm a
Chargers fan, I'm going, can we get can can justin
Herbert third of that guy next year?

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
If I'm Borrow, I'm so frustrated on the sidelines, and
I know that the Bengals pass rush isn't a strength.
Herbert had all day to do whatever he wanted yesterday.
The difference in pockets and pressure rate when dropping back
is insane. And don't get it twisted. Some of that
is to use the Bengals. Other is that hardball came

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in and said, we're gonna We're gonna win up front.
We're gonna revamp the old line. They took Joe Alt
in the first round of the draft. They again, we
talked about it. They moved on from skill guys in
order to beef themselves up front. Now they're gonna have
more money to spend, like you saw the the benefits
of that. And the crazy thing is the Bengals have

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tried to do that. Yeah, they signed Kris, they signed Kapa,
they drafted Vols and Mims is solid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Brown, I mean a boy, a boy. Who else are
we talking about? Cordy Glenn, Yes, Jackson Carmen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Yeah, But like they've tried to spend money and they've
tried to draft, they've just failed at that. And Orlando Brown,
you is good. But the season going along the old
lines regressing for the Bengals. Joe's having less and less
time back there to throw, and he's still making plays.
But I thought last night on both sides was a
team that is not only all in on protecting and

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building around Herbert, but they're also coaching it. And they've
made the correct decisions on who to draft and who
to sign.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
I will say this. We talked about the Bengals wide
receivers and they lost the football game. If I'm a
Chargers fan, and Collinsworth talked about this on the TV
broadcast last night, fourth and goal from the four, if
we get a stop ball game, it's twenty seven to six. Yeah,
and they leave Jamar Chase one on one. Unbelievable baffling.

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I mean, Jesse Minner is a great defensive coordinator, but
come on, baffling, just doubling. I mean, watching in real time,
I'm like, what, holy crap, Yeah, tours about to be
open here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Yeah, I I was. I was frustrated on the Chargers
fourth down from the one because if you looked at
the copy from the back, Von Bell is like eight
yards deep in the end zone. Jermaine Pratt's like six
yards deep. You know what's coming. Harball calls the time out.
You know he's not gonna come out and get cute.
I mean, that's Horball's mentality is we're built this way.

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We're gonna run this down their throat. And you have two,
like two or three guys that are seven yards off
the ball, Like, what are we doing? Get up to
the line of scrimmage, give yourself a chance to make
this play.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Here we were on the plane getting set to fly
back from Ames, which is an entirely different story, and
you said to me that your concern for the Bengals
game was that this was gonna be the Chargers kind
of coming out party, and nationally, much of the night
sort of felt like that, and collins Worth and Tarico

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both talked about, like, you know, teams around the AFC
have to be watching this now. They started talking about that,
then they nearly blew the game. Do you consider the
Chargers legit AFS contenders.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Because of the style of play. I think they could
get based on seating. I could see them getting to
an AFC title game. I don't think they're a super
Bowl team yet. But they're built in the way that
you need to be built in inclement weather. And I
was they're just they're solid. Like I said, Jamar gets

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to catch in the flat and the safety comes up
and makes a pitching, perfect tackle. They don't have a
lot of blown assignments. They're strong up front. They were
playing a little short handed last night on the defensive
side as well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
They reminded me of Michigan. Yeah, like exactly. I know
people here don't want to hear this, but Michigan the
last few years, when they've beaten Ohio State and enjoyed
the seasons that they have and won the Big Ten
and won the national title last year, it wasn't a
lot of flash. Yeah, but you would watch them often
and go, that's a really sound, fundamental team without a

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lot of holes, no misted assignments, stuff like that. Tough team,
and the Chargers kind of look like Ann Felt version
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
I think the only thing that eventually it hurts them
and Lad McConkie is gonna keep getting better. They just
don't have the weapons top to bottom right, Will Dissey,
Quinton Johnson, although in the first half last night they
look like the greatest show on turf, Like it was unbelievable.
Herbert used his legs last night successfully. Dobbins is a

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strong runner. But yeah, they're They're a team that takes
on their their head coach and his personality.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
And if I'm if I'm T Higgins, yeah, I mean
I want to get paid and I want to go
catch passes from a good quarterback. And if I can't
do that here Yep, that's spot. Why would I not
want to go play for the chart?

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Yeah, playing in a building you've dominated both times you've
played there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Yeah. I mean he's been really good in.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Two games at so if I stadium to finish the
first question as well, I thought Chase Brown was solid
last night. He was he was really getting the passing
game he was, and I thought he ran I think
there was one or two. I know there was a
stretch play where he tried to stretch it too much
when he could have cut it up, probably got four
or five yards. Other than that, I thought he made
really good decisions for much of the night, and I

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thought he ran hard against a good front. Statistically it
doesn't show a ton because he ran for under four
a carry, but on a game like that last night,
he still carried the ball twenty two times for eighty
six yards and fifty seven yards in the air, I
thought he was good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
What do you do now? We talked last hour and
brought up DJ Turner's injury and do you make another
overture to exaving Howard? But the reality is your your secondary.
Last night Cam Taylor Brick got benched.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Themes of the Brick got called out. I mean they
were poured on the sidline after him right after he
went after him. He completely missed an assignment and gave
up the touchdown. Yes, and I think that's what led
to the benching. Like right now your players are calling
you out and you're still no.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
That's not to say that he can't come back and
play well, but he got bench last night. At the
latest sort of chapter, what's been a bad season? Would
you say that's a bad season for for Cam Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Britt He's giving up the most yards of any corner
in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
So I'm being generous, so you can't count on him.
DJ Turner is apparently done for the season. Geno Stone
has turned out to be a poor free agent signing.
Maybe that changes, but so far that's the verdict. The
secondary is not good. By the way, Mike Hilton gave
up some plays last night.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Mike Hilton had a chance to end the game he did.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
In the short term, you could say we'll go get
Xavier Howard. He fills a roster spot. How do you
take a secondary that has been awful and get it
to a place where you could at least win with it,
If not because of it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
You lean on the schedule coming up. The offenses you're
gonna play that aren't good are very good, and you
hope that you can patch something together. I mean, if
there's a last stand for lou Anarumo, this is it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
I mean, Tony, there was a play last night late
in the game, and I texted you about it. Herbert
missed the throw in the sideline? Yes, wide open? They
the Bengals rushed three. Yeah, how was a guy that
wide open?

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Especially when a team drops eight because we heard Saturday that,
oh you can't throw verse drop eight?

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Dj Ivy, come on down, I guess, I mean, what
what is the depth right now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
You have at corner? Healthy?

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Cam Taylor, Brit dj Ivy, Josh Newton, Mike Hilton, I mean,
Dax Hill hurt, DJ Turner hurt, Lance Robinson hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
I don't see Sam Taylor Britt bad.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Yeah, I don't see like you're gonna You're gonna move
Tyson Anderson or Jordan battle of a corner from Dejon
Anthony to corner like it is a it's a nightmare
scenario and the I guess the only again, the only
solace you have is you're not playing at least teams
yet that are going to light it up in the air.
Zavian Howard's gotta be looking his jobs right now, and

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his agent like, we played this perfect. Let him come
crawling backs right now. We want four years. I want
a four year deal.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
I just add an extra mill you know, I mean
for this year. All right, we'll jump back to the NFL,
but let's discuss what happened in Ames on Saturday. The
Bearcats beat after being tied at halftime, they lose by
seventeen points to Iowa State. That is next, Tony and
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Twenty six. After five Tony and Mo Football Show, We're
at Twin Peaks in Westchester till six o'clock. We've obviously
been heavy on the Bengals in their law last night.
We'll get back to the NFL here in a few minutes.
A few weeks ago, Tony, you and I were talking
about the Bearcats at five and two, wondering could they
play for a Big twelve championship, and if, even if

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that seemed a little unrealistic, we were certainly talking about
the possibility of UC winning eight games, maybe stretch a
little bit of get to nine, and how much of
a success that would be a few weeks later, they're
five and five. They're big underdogs on the road on Saturday,
and I think most fans are either fearful of or

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contemplating the possibility of a five and seven finish, which
would feel disastrous.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
It would feel disastrous, It would feel disastrous. But how
can you not feel that way right now?

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
I mean the way this team has played, it doesn't
give right now confidence in what the gonna do. I
mean you mentioned five and two. I think we knew
going to Colorado is gonna be tough. I also think
we found out and we have since Colorado's I think
Colorado's gonna win the Big twelve. Agreed, So okay, tip
your cap. This to me again comes down to the

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West Virginia game. So much better than West Virginia.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
You lose that, and on top of losing that, you
lost a twenty one point lead against pitt Texas Tech.
I'm good with. That's a tough game, night game. They battled,
dealt with a bunch of injuries. But it's not just
been the losses. It's been how they're losing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Defense.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
I kind of feel bad because they gave up thirty
one against West Virginia, not on the defense. I thought
the defense played winning football Saturday night offense. To me
that the consistency has been gone. Brendan Soarsby threw for
forty one yards on the opening drive where they went
down the field and scored. At twenty five to the
rest of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
The Bearcats had more penalties than pass completion. It's sixty
six yards passing. Can you explain to me why in
the final two and a half quarters of the game
they essentially decided to not throw the football?

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Iris they dropped eight can't can't throw against eight eight
guys dropping?

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
I don't know. I like part of me.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
I get they were having success on the ground, but
you can't win like that consistently.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Early in the year, this team was stretching the field.
They were putting stress on defenses and in turn that
that makes running the ball easier. It makes the short
passing game easier. In the last couple of weeks, teams
have just come up, they've tried to take away the
short passing game and they're they're they're not taking any
shots downfield. I mentioned during the broadcast, Xavier Henderson probably

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ran ten.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Miles that game.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
He was running go route after go rout and just
not even looked at they Xavier Henderson and Joel Royal
had three catches combined.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
So Joe Royer is viewed as an NFL prospect right
NFL tight end. Xavier Henderson is an All Big twelve
caliber player. Yeah, we went into the season pretty excited
about what they can do on the outside and talking
about how complete this offense is. If you would have
watched that game on Saturday and not known anything about

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the Bearcats, you would have thought they were playing like
with a third string quarterback and all of their receivers hurt. Yep.
It just it didn't make any sense to me. I
get they want to be run heavy, and and and
Soresby made some plays with his legs, sure, but they
abandoned the pass entirely.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
When is the last time that you can even remember
where they hit on a down the field shot Houston. Yeah,
like West Virginia Pryor has the long eighty yarder on
like the screen passage.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Outside of that, their longest completion was Tony Johnson for
sixteen like that. That has been who they've been.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Texas Tech a lot of catches and runs.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Yeah, but I'm like, down the field, you're gonna hey,
I'm calling this to take a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
They just they haven't had that. Yeah. And early in
the season, i mean Jamoy Mays caught some, Burke Calder
Burke Calder, Yeah, disappeared, Tony's caught some, Xavier Henderson caught some.
It's disappeared entirely. And then you add to it thirteen
penalties in game ten, on top of just some of

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the mistakes, primarily on special teams.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
They wasn't running away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
With what that was a terrible football game. Yes, I
mean Iowa State wins. Good for them. Matt Campbell's a
terrific coach. That was a bad football game, bad field,
poorly played, mistakes all over the place. But from a
bear cap perspective, it's the thirteen penalties. It's on when

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you're punting, having to burn a time out because you
don't have enough guys on the field, taking a delay
in penalty, the coverage issues, the the I mean, the
bad snap. It looked like game one. It looks like
game one of like a bunch of dudes that were

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new to the program or six new players.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
It does not feel like in the last three weeks
that this team has progressed. No, be feels like they
have regressed as a team. That's concerning to me one,
because this is when you should be hitting your stride.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Two.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
It's a different world of football. The nil is different.
And I will give you see a ton of credit
because so far they've crushed anil. It is a lot
more difficult to go ask for money if you've given
money and you're not seeing results for what you've given.
And my biggest concern and my biggest reason this year

(01:34:45):
to say they have to get to six was it
becomes a lot harder to go knock on those doors
and say, hey, if we're going to keep competing, we
need this money. Well and now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Nine point underdogs this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
Week, TCU is a twelve point favorite at home against Arizona.
That TCU team right now, they are getting better. They'll
throw the ball over the Field that they have to,
which is not UC's strong point. My concern at this
point is much like we've talked about the Bengals locker
room culture, because after the Arizona State win for the

(01:35:20):
first time, he talked about Big twelve, and you could
sell that to players. Even after the Colorado loss, there's
still outside chances you could sell to players. Sure a
championship now you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Well, and then there's the general public, I mean, right
or wrong. When Brian Kelly got the job, one of
his tasks was energized the fan base. When Luke Fickle
got the job, one of his tasks was energized the
fan base. Both men did that in dramatically different ways.
That's always been a part of the job here. When

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Luke left, Scott Sanderfield got hired, let's be honest, not
the most popular higher. Since then, he's turned into three
and nine that most of us were willing to kind
of overlook last year. Five and seven is not going
to feel like.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Progress, especially when they were five and two.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Right, five and seven, and I think honestly even six
and six is not going to feel like progress for
those folks who never bought in. How are you going
to go to them and say, get excited and energized
in twenty twenty five. We need this money and we
need the coin to find the roster.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
That's the hard part. And you know we talk about
this often. This team, for whatever reason, does not handle momentum.
They don't handle negative places.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Yeah, I mean they will.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
They will be cruising along and one bad thing happens
and it's candy by watch out.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
So there was a play four forty five to go.
Cats are up by three. Evan Pryor runs a little
bit of a wheel route and source Be overthrows them
by two or three ares. Yeah, if he catches that pass,
it's a seventy nine yard touchdown and they go up
seventeen to seven. Now there's no guarantee they win the

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game from that point, but you're on the sideline. Yep,
you just feel it. And having watched every game this year,
it feels like that's the sort of play that's too
deflating for this team to overcome. Yeah, and that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Defense is going well, misdirection punt leads to a big return,
they score. It's just they don't handle plays in a
sense that you want to see a team respond. You
want to see a team, Okay, we get punched in
the mouth, We're gonna swing back. Yeah, it doesn't feel
like they swing back, and when they do, it feels

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like it takes them a quarter or two. Like as
bad as it was the other night. They cut it
the three, but it never felt like three. Tony Ill
on the sidelines, it felt like they were down twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
I thought when they cut it the three, they were
gonna win the game. Yeah, because I was not dramatically
impressed by Iowa State. No, And I'm like, you know what,
you get this team on its heels a little bit.
They have lost two straight games, yep, and it just
it didn't happen. It was I think those from a
talent perspective, I think those are two equally talented teams.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
But I think they're equally talented. I think they were
better than West Virginia. Colorado is better than you see sure, man,
It's just it's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
You said it. Going into West Virginia. That's the swing game, yep.
And I think it's going to prove to be it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
I mean, now my worry is you get the Kansas
State Saturday. Now you go down early. What's the response,
Right now, you're not playing for anything. And then, you know,
we talk about this often. I'm curious, you know, when
Pittsburgh comes into town, what's the crowd at Paycourt? Like
we see a lot of terrible towels. You know, I'm

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gonna get curious on the thirtieth of November their holiday,
what the stadium looks like at Nippert Stadium. If this
team this five and five or five and six at
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Yeah, I just I have a hard time believing that
there's gonna be unbridled enthusiasm to see if they can
break a four game losing streak and achieve Bowl eligibility. Yeah,
just sneak in and and again, like relative to where
things were a few weeks ago, it's massively disappointing to
be talking about this. And I'm like you that the

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Colorado game, I shrugged my shoulders and said one on
the road and lost to a better team. I don't
think West Virginia is better, Nope. And I know Iowa
State has a good record and they were in the
top ten a few weeks ago. I don't think. I
don't think they're dramatically better either.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
I didn't walk away from that like I did against Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Right, Colorado, I was impressed. I was impressed by their team,
impressed by Texas Tech, I was impressed by their offense.
Iowa State did not impress me, and yet they lose
by seventeen points. Jump back to the Bengals in the NFL.
When we come back, Tony and Mo Football Show twin
peaks in Westchester on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
You've been listening to football in Thennetti on the official
home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Cincinnatis eat Westchester. We are back here next Monday for
the bye week.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Edition, Man of the It's bye week edition, and it's
also a holiday week, which means there's probably a lot
of folks that are in town off work.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Yep, could be festive, could be festive. We will not
be talking about a Bengals loss next week. That's right?

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
Are we talking about the Colts losing, Broncos losing? Chargers?
Doors back open? Just got to win the next six
that gets you to ten. Ten's in. No one would
want to play this team.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
You're there now, you are aware everybody else is going
to be in about a week and a half. Yeah,
people get tired of the same narratives. So I'll get
it all year with the Reds.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
So I'm done by and we get to five hundred,
watch out because this team is built to go on
a run.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Are the Bills better than the Chiefs? No?

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Bills had beat the Chiefs in the regular season four years.
They don't beat him in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
I feel the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
I just I'm not there yet. The checko is gonna
come back. I think the Chiefs will be fine. Can
you hear me right now?

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Yeah? Okay, I can't hear myself anymore. Well, now you
sound fine to me. Big takeaway from Pittsburgh versus Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
Mike Tomlin toughness of the Steelers. Yeah, showed through over
what was the hottest offense in football.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
I look, I'm a die hard, lifelong Bengals fan. I
could watch the Steelers and Ravens play every week and
be entertained. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
I think two or three different times during the game
they were offsetting personal fouls. You know, it's chippy Pittsburgh
hits man, and like you, they just grind you out.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
As good as the Ravens have been on offense this year.
You knew that that game was gonna be nineteen thirteen,
seventeen thirteen, eighteen fourteen, Like that's what the game was
gonna look like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
No idea what the two point attempt was from Baltimore. No,
I thought that was bad, but Lamar wasn't good. No,
again against Pittsburg fumbled. Yeah, but I went more about
that win was more about Pittsburgh's toughness than it was.
And you mentioned it last night before the game. The
two out of their next three against the Browns. Yeah,

(01:42:37):
their next three year against Browns, Bengals, Browns. I mean,
if you're a Pittsburgh fan today, you're saying, let's go
to eleven and two. Let's push the Chiefs, right, Yeah,
they play the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
No, all we talked about back in September was, well,
the schedule will catch up to the Steelers. I'm not
sure it will now. Russell Wilson is going to have
to play better than he did yesterday. But yeah, it's
Brown's on a short week up to Cincinnati and then
another game against the Browns, and so they they've they've
got a chance to take off.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Russell has to play better. But I will give him this.
He protects the ball really well. Sure, I had a
pick yesterday, and I like the the brief that we
saw that yesterday. Fields coming in from time to couple
of times. I think that's a really good little wrinkle.

(01:43:27):
George Pickens is continuously developing into a dangerous threat. They
got a good tight end in Friar, move hard catches,
he does I, I, and and they're they're as good
defensively as you could get.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Broncos culture Dolphins. Oh boy, do you does Miami? Does
Miami belong in the conversation?

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Four and six they played one fewer games in the banks.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Yes, because the majority of their losses came when two
mm hmm. They have been a much different and a
much better team when they've had two in the lineup. Right,
and now it's it's hill, it's waddle, it's a good
running game and signs of life. Because of the door
that's been left open in the AFC, the same one

(01:44:14):
that the Bengals were trying to knock down, they're still
in it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
I mean, folks, get get excited. But folks, we'll talk
about with the Bengals, they've got to win five out
of six at the very least within those six games
or two with Pittsburgh, which Bengals might win those games,
but they're certainly not going to be easy. And then
that Broncos team that I saw yesterday, zero chance to

(01:44:37):
say it, the first half, that Broncos team, Oh my god,
zero chance boat raced, zero chance anything else from yesterday.
I think the Jets are done. Yes, Aaron Rodgers comes back,
I think he does. I don't know why why.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Texans tonight they get Nico Colline. Yeah, they're getting healthier.
Is Houston still an AFC threat? Because now we talk
about the AFC, we say Buffalo, Kansas City, and Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
No, should Houston be on that. They're not. They're not.
I mean, they're gonna win the South, which means they're
going to host a game. So let's say they're the four.
Let's say for the sake of argument, Baltimore's the five.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Stroud's taking a beating, scked a ton.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
And I mean, I think you saw the limited Detroit's awesome,
but I think you saw the limitations of that team
in that game against the Lions where they got some
pushback and then things sort of fell apart for him,
Stroud took a beating in that game. They just offensively
haven't taken off the way a lot of us would
have thought. Now, look, I'll buy all your long term CJ.

(01:45:50):
Stroud stock and again, they're gonna be in the postseason.
But I mean they I watched Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore,
and Pittsburgh, and I feel like Houston doesn't really belong
in that conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Cowboys, Titans, Jaguars, Dolphins. The next four they'll probably win
at least three out of those four.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Would you feel comfortable Houston going on the road and
playing playing any of the other division winners in the division?
And I think for them. Would you feel good about
taking them at home against Denver? Would you feel good
about taking them at home against the team that finishes
in second in the AFC North?

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
No, but Denver I still think yes. I think what's
gonna end up?

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
What about the Chargers?

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
I probably lean Chargers right now from what I saw
last night. One of the one of the biggest things
that hurts this team is when they had such a
limited sample sides of Collins Dell digs with mixing that
Collins goes down digs is on IR. They just I

(01:46:58):
thought at full health Wich Droud look out, but they
haven't been there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
All right, music means we gotta go. Wow bye week edition,
next week by week edition, next week here in west.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
On the ten year anniversary season of the Tony and
Mo Football Show. Yeah, I come celebrate how you seem
adeem accordingly.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
I would imagine that I haven't been told anything. But
if the company is working on something to commemorate this, yeah,
the week they do it is probably next week.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
There's usually one or two shows a year where I
decide how I'm gonna I'm gonna hang around after for
a couple of drinks.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Next week is in. Next week will be one of those. Okay,
I'll do that with you. Come in. There we go.
Sounds good, there we go, all right, Twin Peaks in Westchester.
We thank them for their hospitality. Thank our guy Mike
Mills for producing on site, and our man Tearin back
in ken Wood. Tony is back for Sincy three to
sixty tomorrow at noon. I am in my normal spot

(01:47:57):
at three to zero five. Have a great night. This
has been The Tony and Mo Football Show on ESPN
fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station. In Today's Marketers Report, Eric
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