November 19, 2024 • 39 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss the Cincinnati Bengals' most recent loss, the building frustration among the players, Evan McPherson's slump, Lou Anarumo's job security, and what will happen at corner after another injury.
We also got to talk about Montecore the tiger.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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How we doing from the Growler podcast? I am great, Yes,
all things considered.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
How are you? I'm good? You know you said earlier
today you came on on my podcast and we did.
You did that from a parking lot, your second appearance
in a parking lot this year, and I got to
give you credit again, resourcefulness, willingness to do whatever it
takes to make your appearance, and I credit you. We
talked after you got off, and I said, you know,
we should probably start coming up with a tracker and
(01:48):
have over the course of the season where you make
the most appearances from home, basement, studio at iHeart random
parking lots and just see where they all end up.
Or you start going to the same parking lot and
people start just waiting for you to show up there,
like the day show in the morning. Yeah, trying just
hangs out there behind waves. You know, maybe that could
(02:10):
maybe that could be the next level that we.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Tape the thing at ten o'clock on Tuesday morning. The
sort of person that on a Tuesday morning at ten
o'clock would be waiting outside someone's card to wave with
them as they do a podcast is I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I think we should welcome them.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You'll take anybody who has a set of years. I
get it. But let's be honest, right.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I still appreciate. I appreciated your effort as always.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Fun was good, it was a good conversation, good, good podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Are you you were in Los Angeles for the game
on Sunday? I was, yeah, And so there's a lot
to get to just with that game in itself. Are
you familiar with montacor the Tiger?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
No? Should? I should? I be?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, I think it's it's a good parallel. First of all,
it's the Bengals and Montacord.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
The Tiger, the Tigers a tiger. I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
The tiger was the tiger in the Sigfried and Roy show.
That Yeah, that mauled Roy. Yeah, and I've always envisioned
this scenario, so as as legend has it Montacre mauled
Roy and and brought him to with an inch of
(03:18):
his life because he got hit Roy hit the Tiger
on the nose with the microphone. And I've always envisioned
this scenario where like at the end of every show,
Montacor is like goes back to the Tiger. Pennanty's like,
hits me with that damn microphone one more time, hits
me with that damn microphone one more time. Like there
was just a point and the other Tigers could see it.
(03:38):
So when they heard that Montakor snap, they were like, dude,
he said, So, I'm watching Jamar Chase in the locker
room the other day, and he reminded me of Montacor
the Tiger the night before he killed Roy, where he's
like you could see it, you could see it, where
it's like, you know what, one more game like that
where he and the offense are awesome and they still
lose and the next opponent being the Steelers, and just
(04:01):
all the emotion that goes into that. Like I'm not
saying he's gonna choke anybody or maul them or bring
them to with an inch of his life, but what
I saw, what I listened to both your scrum audio
with Jamar watching Joe's body language, listening to t Higgins
on the Postgame Show with Dave Lapham like, if this continues,
(04:25):
somebody's gonna snap. And what I saw on Sunday were
some guys who were doing everything they could to not snap,
and it's just gonna take one more game like that.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, I mean this was I remember maybe the last
time that we were here in Westchester. It was September. September, Yeah,
I remember. You know, we start outlining, Okay, here's how
this works. Players only meet, get to it, vexed, and
then and then then it's like, okay, the next step
you go through your checking all of the boxes of
the bad season, with one of the last big boxes
(04:56):
that you check is the locker room blow right. And
it was always going to be Jamar to be the
one to do it, because he's always the one that's
willing to say stuff and has the most clout to
do so.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And let's be clear something night wasn't a blow up,
but it was no, no, no getting there.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I mean, look, I the interesting thing about that for
me was because I was just curious. I had had
enough of everybody telling me, we got to finish. What
does that mean? Someone tell me what that means to you?
And I was just asking like, what does the finishing mean?
And he took it directly to coaching. I did not
(05:34):
see that coming. Yeah, I thought that was That was
not me being like, do you feel like the coaching
at the end of no, that was how do you
finish better? Don't ask me it's about coaching. You know,
I'm here on the field whatever. All that stuff as
ech well, that is that's a player showing where his
head is at about that situation. That it ain't me.
(05:55):
And that was surprising because a lot of times guys
can get led there and things can go in a
way where they're just answering the question. But that was
not what happened here. This was clearly something that is simmering.
And also, I mean, yeah, I think it's always We
also have seen Jamar spout off after games before about
stuff and he's not afraid to say that, So I
(06:18):
don't I don't necessarily think that it shows some like
deep rooted disbelief in that, but frustration. It's just this
happens every season where it's like this. The expectations were
high some one specifically, when one side is really pulling
their weight and the other isn't as much, you're gonna
(06:40):
have these types of blow ups, and it's just mind blowing,
Like if you can back away from it for a second,
because we spend so much time explaining it and understanding
the failures of this team, just to splice all of
the endings of these games together and say that they're
gonna lose all of them. Yeah, all of them. They're
(07:01):
not going to win a single one of these games
where they make fifteen winning plays towards the end, but
they just hemorrhage in other areas. It's crazy. It's crazy.
It's crazy to believe that in this league, where it
always is a coin flip in close games for everybody,
that they would lose all of them. A team of
that caliber, with that level of star play happening. I just.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I want them to win in the worst way.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But I'm going to be intrigued by what it sounds
like when you guys go in there.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If the losing continues, it's.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
To me, It's it's the voices are gonna are about
to go to me.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's become the storyline of the rest of the season,
does do they get this thing turned around or does
this continue to the point that, uh, oh we have
something that we haven't seen here in.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Quite a while. Yeah, well, you get into eventually, you
know where you eventually and up in the savior butt season,
and you get a lot of people trying to explain
things about why it wasn't them once they realized that
there's no sense in holding those in anymore, and it
all start coming out. You know, I'm not saying I
(08:15):
am not saying I'm working on this, but the light
I've heard about this is, you know, the sign of
the level of how bad your season was, how long
it takes for the athletic to run the behind the
scenes story.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Now they tell us.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, that's like what at what point of the season
did that happen? Shows just how bad it was or
how ugly it was. Again, I'm not saying I'm writing that,
but I it's sort of That's what happens is everybody
that you've been talking to all year that was either
saying things quietly or not saying them at all, now
very willing to say them because they their personal interests
become at stake, and there's a lot of icy situations
(08:50):
around this team that have been bubbling all year. So
I don't expect it to get quieter. No, would you.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Would you be surprised if on his way out you
wrote predictions for the season and you wrote about T
higgins departure where he has an emotional sendoff. Do you
think that could include a summation of what's happened this
season where he has zero blanks given as opposed to
somebody who's going to come back next season.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, No, I could see it. I don't think that
will if you just look at one how much he
has on the line, there could be a truth telling
of his side of the story, maybe on some things,
but he's I think he's proven himself to not be
one that wants to go that route, to not be
one that wants to, you know, air the grievances, and
(09:43):
especially not before the biggest contract of his life is
about to happen in free agency. So I would anticipate
there would be a bit more of a reflection on
five honest time, more than it would be like, Okay,
this is about me getting mad at people that did
that wronged me. I don't see him as the type
(10:05):
that will go there one number one.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I could see. I mean you could see. You've heard it, Yeah,
you've heard And it was like that his second game
as a pro. People forget about that. After that game
against Chicago, he was talking about coaches and play calling
after his second game as a prow like he's the
one guy that just isn't afraid to say it because
he's not scared of Joe, and he's not scared of
(10:30):
anybody really, and he's just and he's unfiltered and not
afraid to be himself. And now he carries weight in
the organization as they figure out how the hell they're
going to pay.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Uh did you think we would start the show by
talking about montacor the Tiger?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I hoped, I mean, I show up every The name
threw me off. If you just would have said the
Sigfred and Roy Tiger the name. I just I had
forgotten about.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
This during the the like the absolute grips of the pandemic,
when we were making up like we don't have sports.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
What are we gonna do?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
We did like video footage you know exists but we
haven't seen yet, And that's.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
At the top of my list. You want to see.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I don't want to see like the entire like it
gets me too graphic after a while.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But I want to see the point where the tigers
like I feel like I'm done.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I feel like it's quick. Yeah. Video. You know.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He was in the pen that morning and they took
him out and he's like, boys, he hits me with
that microphone.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He hits me with that microphone.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It's on.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, it's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know. And everybody's looking, all the other tigers looking
at each other.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Like sure whatever, yeah, you'll see yes. And then he
then he came back. Because I've read the history, like
he came back and they said he had a savory dinner.
It's like, yeah, Betty did, and Butt the tigers are like,
you're the man.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
The amount of cred he had wanted to do that
for years.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
What's happened to him since? Do we know?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Montacort died in twenty fourteen and Roy passed away I
think three years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I know a little bit too much about.
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Speaker 2 (12:43):
Good Stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And I want to spend a few minutes on a
topic we talked about today on your podcast. Here in
a minute. I rarely make guarantees, yeah to anybody who
would listen. When Evan McPherson lined up for that second kick.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I guaranteed he wasn't gonna make it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I hate this. You knew the second one was Yeah,
when the first one after the first one, you're like,
you're gonna try them back out there again. You already
know you know what's happened this season. You saw what
just happened. It would have been Honestly, I'm with you,
I would have been shocked if that one were well.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And when you line up for the first I'm like,
this could be a cool story. You know, he makes
the kick, they'd have to hold on to win the game.
But he makes the kick that kind of jump starts
the season on the road, a long kick fifty one yards.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Like in my head, I'm like, this would be kind
of cool to talk about.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But when he missed it, I'm like, he's not gonna
win this one on a kick. He came back out
for the second one, So I think we all understand
they're not going to snap their fingers and move on.
They're not gonna throw their hands up and go we're
moving on because Evan's had a few bad games. But
there does have to be a point where the performance
(13:54):
you get, you get to this point of no return
where you go, we we got to do something.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, what's that point? Next year? I think? I mean,
I still don't feel like he's gonna go out there
and be and miss everything the rest of the season.
I don't think that will be the case. I do
think he'll be able to work through it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I mean you talk to people, is it do they
bring up the operation or is it just so?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Evan's yeah, I mean this has come up before as
they were talking through some of the stuff that has
gone on. Is we I mean we sat and we
must have talked to Darren Simmons about this for fifteen
to twenty minutes a couple of weeks ago about just
the entire process after we had talked to Evan that
day and he's like, yeah, you know it is it
is different. There is some time on task that's a
(14:44):
part of the operation, everybody getting used to each other
and having that confidence in the guy. And I do
think that there is a lot of thinking going on,
which is probably the worst thing that you can do
in these types of situations. I don't mean that they
shoul and be trying to address the problems, but in
that when the kicker's out his best, he's probably not
(15:04):
thinking about any of it. You're not thinking of it.
It's like, you know, kicking is so much like golf.
You always end up back there is like the more
you're thinking about okay, elbow string back your next thing,
you know, you like through your club in the trees
like so you just.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
But maybe he should try to do what I do
when I golf, which is drink. That would be you.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Know, I mean, it's only one step further than going
out and watching the halftime show during the Super Right,
It's like, yeah, you might as well just he should
have been having a drink while he was doing that too.
Maybe now, maybe, now, maybe that is the key. I'm
not totally against that at this point. I think the
Bengals would take anything that puts the balls through the
upright when you consider how different the season looks if
(15:47):
he does that, or if there's trust in him doing that.
So there's a couple of different levels that and look,
so many of these it's it's such a big part
of these, so many of these games when you look at, oh,
what's the different between the fact that they were, you know,
the previous three seasons they were fourteen and twelve and
one score games above average in the league. Uh, and
(16:08):
now they're one and six. It's like, well, a lot
of those were confidence in the kicker. Maybe think about
how many games we said man Evan making those kicks
changed everything right over and over and over again. He
was such a game changer for them. And winning those
close games and being special teams, being the difference in
hidden yards and all that stuff and hidden points and
winning those close games. And they're just not getting those.
(16:30):
They're not getting those now. And that's certainly, you know,
the defense isn't the number one reason, but it's certain
you know that is playing a major role.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, I watched Chris Boswell make six including two from distance,
Justin Tucker miss and Justin Tucker Miss.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's difference in the game.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And so when they when they drafted McPherson, the comp
we all made was Justin Tucker. And you know, my
my thing was as a Bengals fan, I've watched the
Ravens win nineteen to thirteen. I've watched the Ravens win
games like that where holy crap, we kept him out
of the red zone, but they still scored them those
possessions because of their kicker. And so, you know, you
could certainly say, too much conversation is being spent on
(17:09):
Evan out of the Chargers game. That's not why they lost, sure,
but you gotta win games in a lot of different ways.
And the beauty of Evan McPherson early in his career
was you could win a game like that, like the
one the Steelers won on Sunday, that now they cannot win.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, you know, the biggest difference between the current set
up and the previous one is offense continues to be
good and play this very similar level, if not better
than it's ever been, you know, missing some field goals
and the red zone. I mean, the defense in the
red zone over the previous years had been the saving
(17:42):
grace right yards, It was all about hey, yards are yards?
Are fine? Talking about yards? No points? Right, keep the
points down. Well this now it's yards and points, and
and every time they get down there, the teams are scoring.
Those were those are three points on field goals, four
points on on And that's the difference. It's that, That's
that simple. I mean I was running through that last
week and they ended up doubling down on it. But
(18:03):
they on in the red zone, third and fourth downs.
They hadn't had a stop since Carolina's goal line stand.
I mean that wasn't because of a penalty. The Eagles
had scored a touchdown, but then they got called back
by an offensive hold. And they had one game against
Cleveland where they could finally got to stop on third down,
Nick Chubb scored on fourth down, and then that happened again.
Uh here against Chargers. Every time this was supposed to
(18:26):
that's supposed to be that that's a Louanna remote calling card, right,
that was a defensive calling card. Is get down on
the red zone and bam, they get stops, they get
doing it stops, they get turnovers, and especially in the
second half, they make these they do all these things
and get these stops and then all of a sudden,
it's just it's just not happening anymore. And you lose
every game by one, three, six, all these one score games.
(18:49):
Those are the points. Those are the points, and that's
the difference between winning and losing. And then you lose,
and then you overanalyze everything properly as you should turn
out of every rock obviously, but like sometimes it's simpler
just you're you're losing some of these points that you
were previously getting, and you know in that there's a
lot of different factors to why that's happening, but I
mean it, there's there's your points.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
When we come back, I'm gonna ask you to put
yourself in the shoes of a former NFL player.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I do it all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, yeah, regular exercise is.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
The least athletic NFL player of all time right now,
it looks like Trent Irwin was return Punks.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
To be honest with you, he runs like me, my guy, dude, it.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Runs like me every time. But he's a current NFL player.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's true. It's true. Yeah, so dynamic.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I mean he he you know, we used to do
this with IRV Smith. I would ask you like, does
he run like and I make his shoes between like
does he run like a guy with a refrigerator distrapped
to his back or a guy who looks like he
got shot in the ankle?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
We could do that. We could revive this game with.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
What is what is on his back?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
All right, well I'll put that in the notes here.
But there's a former NFL player. I want you to
I want you to put yourself in his shoes.
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Speaker 3 (20:37):
You were at the Bengals toad any news, anything, anything
of substance happened.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I was legitimately gonna open talking about men in Black
like man, Yeah, good on men in Black for surviving
this long in the inter knows the rule yeah, Will.
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Speaker 1 (20:55):
CEO's personal at this not really personal.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
It's just I we're gonna have to have a meeting
with Arran tomorrow, call him in right now.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
News.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I don't know that there was a DJ Turner obviously.
I think we already have more confirmation of the broken clavicle.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
More.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Really, they really are excited about the way that Josh
Newton played understandably, and they feel like they're hoping that
maybe they found something, and I mean it was he
made an actual play, which is more than you could
say for anything else. Was going on a lot more detail,
I think on the Cam Taylor Britt benching and situation
from Lou Narumo. We spoke with him a little bit
(21:33):
this afternoon, just kind of specifically on essentially he played
such a major role in stuff, that stuff that they
had gone over all week, the two touchdowns back to
back on the one up the scene and then the
Quinton Johnston one where you see everyone looking like what
happened here? Well, He's like, basic, it's the stuff that
(21:54):
we went over, stuff that we we talked about all week,
and so that the stuff that happened on the sideline
that you see that was kind of the stirring up
of that A is like we went over this, we
talked about this is this is it? And Cam just
not where he needs to be on on the one
he needs to be the one that's inside and the
other one everybody's doing the same thing and Cam Taylor
Bridge just running across the formation, just going the other way.
He's like, and that's something that's something that we've done.
(22:17):
He's done hundreds and hundreds of times, and it's just
the inconsistency is just is just obviously maddening and maddening,
and at that point that's why everything that happened happened. Yeah,
and so but he's got to go back in there
now without DJ Turner and later but they're back, he's
got to play and so there there it stands. But
other other than that, news wise, off top of my head,
(22:39):
on't I can't think of anything else that was great
Newsy all right?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
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Also tonight, Ohio State battles Evansville and the Miami RedHawks
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team to beat Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Earlier this season.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Later on tonight, if you were xaviing Howard so so
since the Bengals worked him out and offered him a deal,
but not enough or not what Xavion was looking for.
And since then, the Bengals have had to bench Cam
Taylor Britt and they've had another corner get.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Hurt for the season. And you get the phone call
from the Bengals. What is your.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Response, Yesterday's price is not today's price.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, because I got to call him now, right, I mean,
gonna call somebody.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Gotta call somebody, right, I mean there's there is no question.
I I don't you know, if you weren't willing to
do it before the.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Seasons, only more lost, right?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah. So I mean again we go back to how
is it? How are we even at this point where
then you're just now having this conversation. I mean it's
there was a year. Do you remember the year that
Dusty stood by Drew Stubbs in the leadoff spot for
year long, like all year, and everybody all year is like, man,
(24:12):
like wow, there's got to be somebody else that could play.
And then they got into the playoffs and it was
like the eighth or ninth inning of the elimination game
and finally like sub Drew Stubbs out.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
It's like, now, yeah, now's the moment.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You can't you can't at this point, it doesn't matter,
you know. And I feel like that's sort of this
is like the Drew Stubbs vocation of this situation, like now, okay, cool,
you're doing it now, but like, this is this is
what should have happened such a long time ago. You're
so far behind it, and yeah, he's got leverage now
(24:46):
because you're now even more desperate and even more behind
the aphoss So somehow just say no with this.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
But somehow they've managed to lose leverage to a player
who's not even in the league.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
No, it is.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Is there a more Bengals thing that could happen?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
They've somehow been backed into a corner by a guy
who doesn't have a job.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Doesn't have a job.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
This is their suitors, as far as I can tell,
this is This is not how well run NFL franchises
do things.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Man, it's not no, it's not no. This entire situation
is bad news. I you know, I will see. Maybe
they're maybe with one less week of game checks, they're
more willing to go there. I have no idea, but
there is a spot, it's going to be available, and
they need for a cornerback, so yes, it should be
obvious in the place that they should go, whether they
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were going there or not. I guess we'll see.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Your podcast today.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
It was a good conversation about lou Ana Roumo and
his future and what the Bengals may or may not
do with him, and so I want people to go
listen to it. I was a part of it. I
don't know if you and Jay continued it, but I
was kind of taken aback a little bit by the
sort of definitive tone you took and talking about like
(25:59):
this is going to end well for.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Lou Yeah, I just there. It comes from this in
that when you analyze this situation, and they will at
the end of the year, and there's other variables that
will happen, but they are in a spot where they
have to get more out of all of these young players,
(26:20):
and lou has had two years to get more out
of all of these young players. They are not in
a place financially with Burrow and Chase's money coming that
they can go buy a defense again, which is what
happened essentially when they rebuilt it the first time, and
(26:43):
these young players have to develop and all of the
picks that we have spotlighted here for a few years
now when they started spending all of their high capital
on young defensive players. And when you have this much
time to develop them and it's not getting through and
they're regressing, you're not gonna you can't replace them all
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with mid tier veterans and think that it's gonna suddenly
work out. You have to get the most out of them,
and the only way to do that is probably to
get them a new voice. Or it feels like there's
a disconnect that's not happening. And that doesn't mean that
leu an Rima isn't still a good coordinator or wouldn't
quickly pick up a job somewhere or anything like that.
It just feels like, when you're talking about how this
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thing has to change, the defense has to do better,
you can't. You can't just have two years like this.
And when when across the league, that's what it is like,
coordinators churn. You either get fired or you get promoted.
You get fired or you get promoted a little less
so on the defensive side of the ball, just because
of the nature of promotions on the offensive side in
(27:50):
the NFL, but still there's a reason for that. If
you're not connecting with guys, the voice has to change
to try to get people to get more and feel
like they have somebody else that sees them or sees
things differently or connects with them differently. And especially when
you have seasons like this one where it's just a
constant state of rotating and changing and benching and and
everybody feels like it's not working for them, and the
(28:14):
person that's making all those decisions is that person is
that guy. That's when you have to make a change
when it feels like it's a waste of his time
and out of their time to keep trying to make
that work. I've also had seasons where it felt like
they're you know, in twenty twenty, I didn't necessarily felt
like there was a great path for him out of it. Yeah,
but they believe that the players weren't good enough in
(28:36):
his and they didn't have that in place yet. And
I understood that side of things like they didn't. There
was a mess in a lot of ways in that
point in time, and they give them more of his
players than it will work, and it did, and they
were right. It was that and he does have such
a good way of doing this, but that's not the case. Now,
(28:57):
this isn't a place where they just hand you draft
picks and you have had no influence. You helped find
your guys. They found guys to fit your system. They
gave you all of these young guys, develop them and
grow the next core of this team. And the fact
that they've failed and aggressed a little bit, there's only
there's one place that it really that that is at
(29:19):
the feet of right now, and that makes it that
seems a really tough thing to see survive. To run
it back at this level of disappointment seems a really,
really really hard sell, and it just feels like something
new is needed there. And that's not to say that
(29:41):
that's definitely gonna happen, but when you know that that's
the root of this whole thing, it seems really hard
to see it. You know, just get run back next
year and everybody say, sounds great, Yeah, something's gonna have
to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Good conversation on Paul's podcast about that very topic.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I watched folks on social media last night.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Or they're always fighting about something always, Oh, I mean,
it doesn't matter what, they're always fighting times they.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Fight about social media about you know, now we fight
about which platform you're on and what that says about you,
which I am not allowed to go somewhere or leave
or be on something that's great?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Is that that's the most social media If a were
gonna fight about which ones you're allowed to do, you
don't care.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Don't care what I do? Right, who cares?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Last line, everybody was fighting about Joe Mixon, so we
have to talk about him.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, your favorite tablets.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Let's relitigate again.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, fourteen away from four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
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Speaker 2 (30:50):
Before we talk about Joe Mixon for the four million time.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, can you explain this Bengals Cowboys Simpson's thing.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Because I wasn't aware of it?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean I'm.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Gonna watch the Simpsons broadcast.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, yeah you will? Good? Yeah, yeah, sure, it might
be better than watching the.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Real against that Bengals defense.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah. Maybe Cooper Rush could light them up. I don't know.
Uh yeah, I don't. So, yeah, that's an alternate broadcast
that they've mean, there's a lot of production, as you
might imagine, that goes into having to create an alternate
broadcast with certain with players, you're gonna have all this
stuff that's gonna happen, So they a lot of background
they had to do on that to be ready. So
you can't switch it out. You can't flex it out
(31:37):
because they have to the stuff. They've recorded and done
all of that stuff well ahead of time. So it's
one of the few games that's locked in. So it's
really unflexible for that fact, they really want to do
this alternate broadcast thing of nobody certainly they might actually
do better just running old Simpsons episodes instead of the
(31:57):
game at this point when you consider the direction that
these two teams are going. But uh yeah, it's it's
it's gonna be there Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Okay, very good. You want to talk about Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Sure, I mean, I gotta tell you, I really kind
of thought that perhaps him leaving would take him off
of the local sports talk. But I get it, I
get it. The dudes the dude's playing well.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
He's playing well.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
What's interesting to me about him is what what I
see when I watch him play for the Texans doesn't
mesh with what some of the advanced metrics suggest, which
looked like his metrics last year here. Yeah, success rate,
I think yards before contact pretty.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Much the same. Nice averaging more yards per carry.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
But when you look at and if I was a
prepared host, the piece of paper I jotted all this
down on at six o'clock this morning, wouldn't be sitting
on my kitchen table, but I was. I've watched him
a lot. They've been in high profile games. I watched
him last night.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
He was terrific.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I watched his postgame interview with Scott van Pelt. What
my eyes tell me is that's a guy the Bengals
could use. What the numbers say is he's in many
respects kind of the same guy.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I yeah, I think so. But the way that they're
using him, I think the advantage of Joe Mixon was
always as a volume.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
He has six more attempts per game.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
There he does he people get sick of trying to
tackle that guy, and that was something that that the
Bengal staff would say often is that that's the advantage
of Joe Mixon is people just get sick of trying
to tackle him. He is just he's so hard to
bring down. He's just so physical and tough, and so
he is great in the wide zone system that they're
(33:38):
running there and as a high volume carrier and the
way that he can he can wear people down over
the course of games, and you've seen that, and he's
obviously tough in so many situations. That was their point
is that they're not ever going to be a high
volume running team, which is his strength. He's not playing
to the strength of Joe Burrow, and so that's part
of it. I also think he's also motivated in a
(34:03):
way that he hasn't ever, hasn't been in a long time,
and I think that's part of it. And he's clearly
playing like a motivated guy. Yeah, he's playing like he's
out for revenge on everybody that ever said that he
wasn't good anymore. And it shows and good for him.
One of the first things that I was told after
the Joe mixing thing happened was it might end up
making it look bad because it's actually a great spot
(34:24):
for him. And there's a reason why they were willing
to trade and wanted to make sure that they they
got him because I think they felt like he was
going to be a fit. I don't know that even
they at that point thought they were going to be
getting what they've been getting from Joe Mixon this year.
But yeah, obviously, obviously it's work.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I got like, three minutes here.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
If the Bengals on their last offensive drive score and
then in whatever amount of time is left, the Chargers
don't and they win the game, how much of your
story after the game is about the team bonding they
did in so cow Ough Zero.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I was like, you know, if we needed to come
up with some good team bonding things for them, I
wanted the idea like I want to see this entire
team doing a ropes course in Venice Beach together and
trust falls, you know, and and trying to help each other.
And that's what That's what I that's what I have.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
A buddy that is the company he works for made
him go on some retreat like that, and I said, like,
that's my version of hell on Earth.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Nobody like corporate retreat.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
My point was, know this, when you ever you've ever
been in a workplace and and they start talking about like, look,
we I think maybe things aren't going so well.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I know we're gonna do We're gonna.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Spend a little bit of extra time together. We're gonna
go away that night, Oh my god. And so we're
gonna go and do something. You know what, It turns
into a team bonding, that turns into complaining time. That's
when you start you get quiet off of the side.
I got a lot of extra time to kill. Let's
talk about Jones TPS reports.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
But here's the thing, Like, because you know, people made
fun of Zach for talking about it, and I said,
like if it's organic and and guys who because they're
all in the same hotel, decide we're all gonna go
to dinner together. Like there's ancillary benefit to that, like that,
I've been on work trips like that's you spend some
time with people that at home you typically don't get
a chance to spend time with. But what I was
(36:14):
looking forward to is if they win, the team bonding
being the pivot point to the season and we've been
deprived of that.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, no, I was gonna say that probably would have
ended up being a story about and let's see what
three years later, the go ball was actually able to
be thrown. How unbelievable is it that again it ends
up with a go ball at the end. It's so
Fi they come back, and I was like, oh, it
(36:40):
would have been I mean, it would have been the
perfect story. They got enough protection for Burrow to get
the go ball off this time, and it gets them
the big win that they needed to try to get
back to the super Bowl in so Fi. Instead. They
may never throw another go ball or attempt one in
Sofi ever, again, certainly not late in games. But there
it was. And after the game, you know, I asked
(37:01):
Joe if there were any specific there's He was very
clearly hanging on to some things. He was beating himself
up about. Ask them what they were, and that's where
he started again. He leaves the stadium thinking about that,
and you're right though, and we just talking to the
picture and he was saying, I mean, I will live
with that all day. Those guys are going to hit
those like that is my dream scenario that you end
(37:23):
up with Jamar open on a go ball and and
Joe throwing it to him. But they didn't connect. Story
this season didn't didn't quite make that one last play.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Enjoy your You're Bye Week. I'm tarin.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I'm gonna screw up the clock here because I do
want you to talk about your event Thursday.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Oh yeah, I'm super excited about this. My favorite game
series that we've done a bun ton of these together.
But we have somebody come on and talk about their
favorite game they've ever been in and we sort of
rehash all of it, getting into the minutia, the legacy,
the lead up to it, everything else. Todd Frazier is
going to be our guest down at bet MGM Nation
Kitchen and Bar right down there at the Banks, and
(37:59):
we're we're gonna discuss the twenty fifteen Home Run Derby.
It's myself, Sea, Trent, and Jim Day on the panel
along with Todd, and we're gonna re air it from
five to seven there in the bar, and the panel
will start at seven and we'll talk about the Home
Run Derby everything with him that and he'll do a
little meet and greet after that. It's gonna be an
awesome night. I always love those things. I know we've
(38:20):
had a lot of fun doing those in the past
where you can really dive back into thing. We're almost
you know, nine years almost ten years ago, one of
the best events in the history of that state. And
they'll be right across the street. Really excited about doing that.
A little bit of a break from the Bengals stuff
that people probably need at this point. So that'll be
the panel. Start at seven o'clock on Thursday night at
bet MGM Nation Kitchen. Right, you'll post all that it's
(38:40):
a podcast, yes, eventually, Yeah, we'll get that up the
next day.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
All right, enjoy your time off. We'll do see in
two weeks.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
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How we doing from the Growler podcast? I am great, Yes,
all things considered.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
How are you? I'm good? You know you said earlier
today you came on on my podcast and we did.
You did that from a parking lot, your second appearance
in a parking lot this year, and I got to
give you credit again, resourcefulness, willingness to do whatever it
takes to make your appearance, and I credit you. We
talked after you got off, and I said, you know,
we should probably start coming up with a tracker and
(01:48):
have over the course of the season where you make
the most appearances from home, basement, studio at iHeart random
parking lots and just see where they all end up.
Or you start going to the same parking lot and
people start just waiting for you to show up there,
like the day show in the morning. Yeah, trying just
hangs out there behind waves. You know, maybe that could
(02:10):
maybe that could be the next level that we.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Tape the thing at ten o'clock on Tuesday morning. The
sort of person that on a Tuesday morning at ten
o'clock would be waiting outside someone's card to wave with
them as they do a podcast is I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I think we should welcome them.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You'll take anybody who has a set of years. I
get it. But let's be honest, right.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I still appreciate. I appreciated your effort as always.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Fun was good, it was a good conversation, good, good podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Are you you were in Los Angeles for the game
on Sunday? I was, yeah, And so there's a lot
to get to just with that game in itself. Are
you familiar with montacor the Tiger?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
No? Should? I should? I be?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, I think it's it's a good parallel. First of all,
it's the Bengals and Montacord.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
The Tiger, the Tigers a tiger. I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
The tiger was the tiger in the Sigfried and Roy show.
That Yeah, that mauled Roy. Yeah, and I've always envisioned
this scenario, so as as legend has it Montacre mauled
Roy and and brought him to with an inch of
(03:18):
his life because he got hit Roy hit the Tiger
on the nose with the microphone. And I've always envisioned
this scenario where like at the end of every show,
Montacor is like goes back to the Tiger. Pennanty's like,
hits me with that damn microphone one more time, hits
me with that damn microphone one more time. Like there
was just a point and the other Tigers could see it.
(03:38):
So when they heard that Montakor snap, they were like, dude,
he said, So, I'm watching Jamar Chase in the locker
room the other day, and he reminded me of Montacor
the Tiger the night before he killed Roy, where he's
like you could see it, you could see it, where
it's like, you know what, one more game like that
where he and the offense are awesome and they still
lose and the next opponent being the Steelers, and just
(04:01):
all the emotion that goes into that. Like I'm not
saying he's gonna choke anybody or maul them or bring
them to with an inch of his life, but what
I saw, what I listened to both your scrum audio
with Jamar watching Joe's body language, listening to t Higgins
on the Postgame Show with Dave Lapham like, if this continues,
(04:25):
somebody's gonna snap. And what I saw on Sunday were
some guys who were doing everything they could to not snap,
and it's just gonna take one more game like that.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, I mean this was I remember maybe the last
time that we were here in Westchester. It was September. September, Yeah,
I remember. You know, we start outlining, Okay, here's how
this works. Players only meet, get to it, vexed, and
then and then then it's like, okay, the next step
you go through your checking all of the boxes of
the bad season, with one of the last big boxes
(04:56):
that you check is the locker room blow right. And
it was always going to be Jamar to be the
one to do it, because he's always the one that's
willing to say stuff and has the most clout to
do so.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And let's be clear something night wasn't a blow up,
but it was no, no, no getting there.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I mean, look, I the interesting thing about that for
me was because I was just curious. I had had
enough of everybody telling me, we got to finish. What
does that mean? Someone tell me what that means to you?
And I was just asking like, what does the finishing mean?
And he took it directly to coaching. I did not
(05:34):
see that coming. Yeah, I thought that was That was
not me being like, do you feel like the coaching
at the end of no, that was how do you
finish better? Don't ask me it's about coaching. You know,
I'm here on the field whatever. All that stuff as
ech well, that is that's a player showing where his
head is at about that situation. That it ain't me.
(05:55):
And that was surprising because a lot of times guys
can get led there and things can go in a
way where they're just answering the question. But that was
not what happened here. This was clearly something that is simmering.
And also, I mean, yeah, I think it's always We
also have seen Jamar spout off after games before about
stuff and he's not afraid to say that, So I
(06:18):
don't I don't necessarily think that it shows some like
deep rooted disbelief in that, but frustration. It's just this
happens every season where it's like this. The expectations were
high some one specifically, when one side is really pulling
their weight and the other isn't as much, you're gonna
(06:40):
have these types of blow ups, and it's just mind blowing,
Like if you can back away from it for a second,
because we spend so much time explaining it and understanding
the failures of this team, just to splice all of
the endings of these games together and say that they're
gonna lose all of them. Yeah, all of them. They're
(07:01):
not going to win a single one of these games
where they make fifteen winning plays towards the end, but
they just hemorrhage in other areas. It's crazy. It's crazy.
It's crazy to believe that in this league, where it
always is a coin flip in close games for everybody,
that they would lose all of them. A team of
that caliber, with that level of star play happening. I just.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I want them to win in the worst way.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But I'm going to be intrigued by what it sounds
like when you guys go in there.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
If the losing continues, it's.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
To me, It's it's the voices are gonna are about
to go to me.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's become the storyline of the rest of the season,
does do they get this thing turned around or does
this continue to the point that, uh, oh we have
something that we haven't seen here in.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Quite a while. Yeah, well, you get into eventually, you
know where you eventually and up in the savior butt season,
and you get a lot of people trying to explain
things about why it wasn't them once they realized that
there's no sense in holding those in anymore, and it
all start coming out. You know, I'm not saying I
(08:15):
am not saying I'm working on this, but the light
I've heard about this is, you know, the sign of
the level of how bad your season was, how long
it takes for the athletic to run the behind the
scenes story.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Now they tell us.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, that's like what at what point of the season
did that happen? Shows just how bad it was or
how ugly it was. Again, I'm not saying I'm writing that,
but I it's sort of That's what happens is everybody
that you've been talking to all year that was either
saying things quietly or not saying them at all, now
very willing to say them because they their personal interests
become at stake, and there's a lot of icy situations
(08:50):
around this team that have been bubbling all year. So
I don't expect it to get quieter. No, would you.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Would you be surprised if on his way out you
wrote predictions for the season and you wrote about T
higgins departure where he has an emotional sendoff. Do you
think that could include a summation of what's happened this
season where he has zero blanks given as opposed to
somebody who's going to come back next season.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, No, I could see it. I don't think that
will if you just look at one how much he
has on the line, there could be a truth telling
of his side of the story, maybe on some things,
but he's I think he's proven himself to not be
one that wants to go that route, to not be
one that wants to, you know, air the grievances, and
(09:43):
especially not before the biggest contract of his life is
about to happen in free agency. So I would anticipate
there would be a bit more of a reflection on
five honest time, more than it would be like, Okay,
this is about me getting mad at people that did
that wronged me. I don't see him as the type
(10:05):
that will go there one number one.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I could see. I mean you could see. You've heard it, Yeah,
you've heard And it was like that his second game
as a pro. People forget about that. After that game
against Chicago, he was talking about coaches and play calling
after his second game as a prow like he's the
one guy that just isn't afraid to say it because
he's not scared of Joe, and he's not scared of
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anybody really, and he's just and he's unfiltered and not
afraid to be himself. And now he carries weight in
the organization as they figure out how the hell they're
going to pay.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Uh did you think we would start the show by
talking about montacor the Tiger?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I hoped, I mean, I show up every The name
threw me off. If you just would have said the
Sigfred and Roy Tiger the name. I just I had
forgotten about.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
This during the the like the absolute grips of the pandemic,
when we were making up like we don't have sports.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
What are we gonna do?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
We did like video footage you know exists but we
haven't seen yet, And that's.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
At the top of my list. You want to see.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I don't want to see like the entire like it
gets me too graphic after a while.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But I want to see the point where the tigers
like I feel like I'm done.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I feel like it's quick. Yeah. Video. You know.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He was in the pen that morning and they took
him out and he's like, boys, he hits me with
that microphone.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He hits me with that microphone.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It's on.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, it's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know. And everybody's looking, all the other tigers looking
at each other.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Like sure whatever, yeah, you'll see yes. And then he
then he came back. Because I've read the history, like
he came back and they said he had a savory dinner.
It's like, yeah, Betty did, and Butt the tigers are like,
you're the man.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
The amount of cred he had wanted to do that
for years.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
What's happened to him since? Do we know?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Montacort died in twenty fourteen and Roy passed away I
think three years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I know a little bit too much about.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
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Speaker 2 (12:09):
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Speaker 2 (12:21):
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Speaker 3 (12:25):
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Speaker 2 (12:43):
Good Stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And I want to spend a few minutes on a
topic we talked about today on your podcast. Here in
a minute. I rarely make guarantees, yeah to anybody who
would listen. When Evan McPherson lined up for that second kick.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I guaranteed he wasn't gonna make it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I hate this. You knew the second one was Yeah,
when the first one after the first one, you're like,
you're gonna try them back out there again. You already
know you know what's happened this season. You saw what
just happened. It would have been Honestly, I'm with you,
I would have been shocked if that one were well.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And when you line up for the first I'm like,
this could be a cool story. You know, he makes
the kick, they'd have to hold on to win the game.
But he makes the kick that kind of jump starts
the season on the road, a long kick fifty one yards.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Like in my head, I'm like, this would be kind
of cool to talk about.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But when he missed it, I'm like, he's not gonna
win this one on a kick. He came back out
for the second one, So I think we all understand
they're not going to snap their fingers and move on.
They're not gonna throw their hands up and go we're
moving on because Evan's had a few bad games. But
there does have to be a point where the performance
(13:54):
you get, you get to this point of no return
where you go, we we got to do something.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, what's that point? Next year? I think? I mean,
I still don't feel like he's gonna go out there
and be and miss everything the rest of the season.
I don't think that will be the case. I do
think he'll be able to work through it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I mean you talk to people, is it do they
bring up the operation or is it just so?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Evan's yeah, I mean this has come up before as
they were talking through some of the stuff that has
gone on. Is we I mean we sat and we
must have talked to Darren Simmons about this for fifteen
to twenty minutes a couple of weeks ago about just
the entire process after we had talked to Evan that
day and he's like, yeah, you know it is it
is different. There is some time on task that's a
(14:44):
part of the operation, everybody getting used to each other
and having that confidence in the guy. And I do
think that there is a lot of thinking going on,
which is probably the worst thing that you can do
in these types of situations. I don't mean that they
shoul and be trying to address the problems, but in
that when the kicker's out his best, he's probably not
(15:04):
thinking about any of it. You're not thinking of it.
It's like, you know, kicking is so much like golf.
You always end up back there is like the more
you're thinking about okay, elbow string back your next thing,
you know, you like through your club in the trees
like so you just.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
But maybe he should try to do what I do
when I golf, which is drink. That would be you.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Know, I mean, it's only one step further than going
out and watching the halftime show during the Super Right,
It's like, yeah, you might as well just he should
have been having a drink while he was doing that too.
Maybe now, maybe, now, maybe that is the key. I'm
not totally against that at this point. I think the
Bengals would take anything that puts the balls through the
upright when you consider how different the season looks if
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he does that, or if there's trust in him doing that.
So there's a couple of different levels that and look,
so many of these it's it's such a big part
of these, so many of these games when you look at, oh,
what's the different between the fact that they were, you know,
the previous three seasons they were fourteen and twelve and
one score games above average in the league. Uh, and
(16:08):
now they're one and six. It's like, well, a lot
of those were confidence in the kicker. Maybe think about
how many games we said man Evan making those kicks
changed everything right over and over and over again. He
was such a game changer for them. And winning those
close games and being special teams, being the difference in
hidden yards and all that stuff and hidden points and
winning those close games. And they're just not getting those.
(16:30):
They're not getting those now. And that's certainly, you know,
the defense isn't the number one reason, but it's certain
you know that is playing a major role.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, I watched Chris Boswell make six including two from distance,
Justin Tucker miss and Justin Tucker Miss.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's difference in the game.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And so when they when they drafted McPherson, the comp
we all made was Justin Tucker. And you know, my
my thing was as a Bengals fan, I've watched the
Ravens win nineteen to thirteen. I've watched the Ravens win
games like that where holy crap, we kept him out
of the red zone, but they still scored them those
possessions because of their kicker. And so, you know, you
could certainly say, too much conversation is being spent on
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Evan out of the Chargers game. That's not why they lost, sure,
but you gotta win games in a lot of different ways.
And the beauty of Evan McPherson early in his career
was you could win a game like that, like the
one the Steelers won on Sunday, that now they cannot win.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, you know, the biggest difference between the current set
up and the previous one is offense continues to be
good and play this very similar level, if not better
than it's ever been, you know, missing some field goals
and the red zone. I mean, the defense in the
red zone over the previous years had been the saving
(17:42):
grace right yards, It was all about hey, yards are yards?
Are fine? Talking about yards? No points? Right, keep the
points down. Well this now it's yards and points, and
and every time they get down there, the teams are scoring.
Those were those are three points on field goals, four
points on on And that's the difference. It's that, That's
that simple. I mean I was running through that last
week and they ended up doubling down on it. But
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they on in the red zone, third and fourth downs.
They hadn't had a stop since Carolina's goal line stand.
I mean that wasn't because of a penalty. The Eagles
had scored a touchdown, but then they got called back
by an offensive hold. And they had one game against
Cleveland where they could finally got to stop on third down,
Nick Chubb scored on fourth down, and then that happened again.
Uh here against Chargers. Every time this was supposed to
(18:26):
that's supposed to be that that's a Louanna remote calling card, right,
that was a defensive calling card. Is get down on
the red zone and bam, they get stops, they get
doing it stops, they get turnovers, and especially in the
second half, they make these they do all these things
and get these stops and then all of a sudden,
it's just it's just not happening anymore. And you lose
every game by one, three, six, all these one score games.
(18:49):
Those are the points. Those are the points, and that's
the difference between winning and losing. And then you lose,
and then you overanalyze everything properly as you should turn
out of every rock obviously, but like sometimes it's simpler
just you're you're losing some of these points that you
were previously getting, and you know in that there's a
lot of different factors to why that's happening, but I
mean it, there's there's your points.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
When we come back, I'm gonna ask you to put
yourself in the shoes of a former NFL player.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I do it all the time.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, yeah, regular exercise is.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
The least athletic NFL player of all time right now,
it looks like Trent Irwin was return Punks.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
To be honest with you, he runs like me, my guy, dude, it.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Runs like me every time. But he's a current NFL player.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's true. It's true. Yeah, so dynamic.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I mean he he you know, we used to do
this with IRV Smith. I would ask you like, does
he run like and I make his shoes between like
does he run like a guy with a refrigerator distrapped
to his back or a guy who looks like he
got shot in the ankle?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
We could do that. We could revive this game with.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
What is what is on his back?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
All right, well I'll put that in the notes here.
But there's a former NFL player. I want you to
I want you to put yourself in his shoes.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
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Speaker 3 (20:04):
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Speaker 1 (20:13):
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Speaker 3 (20:14):
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Speaker 1 (20:17):
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Speaker 2 (20:34):
Terren's playing Will Smith. He gets into merricka.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You were at the Bengals toad any news, anything, anything
of substance happened.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I was legitimately gonna open talking about men in Black
like man, Yeah, good on men in Black for surviving
this long in the inter knows the rule yeah, Will.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Smith after nineteen ninety one, no pitpoll. Those are the
only two musical rules we have. Becaues personal literally play
anything else.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
CEO's personal at this not really personal.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
It's just I we're gonna have to have a meeting
with Arran tomorrow, call him in right now.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
News.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I don't know that there was a DJ Turner obviously.
I think we already have more confirmation of the broken clavicle.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
More.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Really, they really are excited about the way that Josh
Newton played understandably, and they feel like they're hoping that
maybe they found something, and I mean it was he
made an actual play, which is more than you could
say for anything else. Was going on a lot more detail,
I think on the Cam Taylor Britt benching and situation
from Lou Narumo. We spoke with him a little bit
(21:33):
this afternoon, just kind of specifically on essentially he played
such a major role in stuff, that stuff that they
had gone over all week, the two touchdowns back to
back on the one up the scene and then the
Quinton Johnston one where you see everyone looking like what
happened here? Well, He's like, basic, it's the stuff that
(21:54):
we went over, stuff that we we talked about all week,
and so that the stuff that happened on the sideline
that you see that was kind of the stirring up
of that A is like we went over this, we
talked about this is this is it? And Cam just
not where he needs to be on on the one
he needs to be the one that's inside and the
other one everybody's doing the same thing and Cam Taylor
Bridge just running across the formation, just going the other way.
He's like, and that's something that's something that we've done.
(22:17):
He's done hundreds and hundreds of times, and it's just
the inconsistency is just is just obviously maddening and maddening,
and at that point that's why everything that happened happened. Yeah,
and so but he's got to go back in there
now without DJ Turner and later but they're back, he's
got to play and so there there it stands. But
other other than that, news wise, off top of my head,
(22:39):
on't I can't think of anything else that was great
Newsy all right?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
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Speaker 2 (22:48):
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Speaker 2 (23:08):
Earlier this season.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Later on tonight, if you were xaviing Howard so so
since the Bengals worked him out and offered him a deal,
but not enough or not what Xavion was looking for.
And since then, the Bengals have had to bench Cam
Taylor Britt and they've had another corner get.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Hurt for the season. And you get the phone call
from the Bengals. What is your.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Response, Yesterday's price is not today's price.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, because I got to call him now, right, I mean,
gonna call somebody.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Gotta call somebody, right, I mean there's there is no question.
I I don't you know, if you weren't willing to
do it before the.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Seasons, only more lost, right?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah. So I mean again we go back to how
is it? How are we even at this point where
then you're just now having this conversation. I mean it's
there was a year. Do you remember the year that
Dusty stood by Drew Stubbs in the leadoff spot for
year long, like all year, and everybody all year is like, man,
(24:12):
like wow, there's got to be somebody else that could play.
And then they got into the playoffs and it was
like the eighth or ninth inning of the elimination game
and finally like sub Drew Stubbs out.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
It's like, now, yeah, now's the moment.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You can't you can't at this point, it doesn't matter,
you know. And I feel like that's sort of this
is like the Drew Stubbs vocation of this situation, like now, okay, cool,
you're doing it now, but like, this is this is
what should have happened such a long time ago. You're
so far behind it, and yeah, he's got leverage now
(24:46):
because you're now even more desperate and even more behind
the aphoss So somehow just say no with this.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
But somehow they've managed to lose leverage to a player
who's not even in the league.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
No, it is.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Is there a more Bengals thing that could happen?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
They've somehow been backed into a corner by a guy
who doesn't have a job.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Doesn't have a job.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
This is their suitors, as far as I can tell,
this is This is not how well run NFL franchises
do things.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Man, it's not no, it's not no. This entire situation
is bad news. I you know, I will see. Maybe
they're maybe with one less week of game checks, they're
more willing to go there. I have no idea, but
there is a spot, it's going to be available, and
they need for a cornerback, so yes, it should be
obvious in the place that they should go, whether they
(25:32):
were going there or not. I guess we'll see.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Your podcast today.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
It was a good conversation about lou Ana Roumo and
his future and what the Bengals may or may not
do with him, and so I want people to go
listen to it. I was a part of it. I
don't know if you and Jay continued it, but I
was kind of taken aback a little bit by the
sort of definitive tone you took and talking about like
(25:59):
this is going to end well for.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Lou Yeah, I just there. It comes from this in
that when you analyze this situation, and they will at
the end of the year, and there's other variables that
will happen, but they are in a spot where they
have to get more out of all of these young players,
(26:20):
and lou has had two years to get more out
of all of these young players. They are not in
a place financially with Burrow and Chase's money coming that
they can go buy a defense again, which is what
happened essentially when they rebuilt it the first time, and
(26:43):
these young players have to develop and all of the
picks that we have spotlighted here for a few years
now when they started spending all of their high capital
on young defensive players. And when you have this much
time to develop them and it's not getting through and
they're regressing, you're not gonna you can't replace them all
(27:07):
with mid tier veterans and think that it's gonna suddenly
work out. You have to get the most out of them,
and the only way to do that is probably to
get them a new voice. Or it feels like there's
a disconnect that's not happening. And that doesn't mean that
leu an Rima isn't still a good coordinator or wouldn't
quickly pick up a job somewhere or anything like that.
It just feels like, when you're talking about how this
(27:30):
thing has to change, the defense has to do better,
you can't. You can't just have two years like this.
And when when across the league, that's what it is like,
coordinators churn. You either get fired or you get promoted.
You get fired or you get promoted a little less
so on the defensive side of the ball, just because
of the nature of promotions on the offensive side in
(27:50):
the NFL, but still there's a reason for that. If
you're not connecting with guys, the voice has to change
to try to get people to get more and feel
like they have somebody else that sees them or sees
things differently or connects with them differently. And especially when
you have seasons like this one where it's just a
constant state of rotating and changing and benching and and
everybody feels like it's not working for them, and the
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person that's making all those decisions is that person is
that guy. That's when you have to make a change
when it feels like it's a waste of his time
and out of their time to keep trying to make
that work. I've also had seasons where it felt like
they're you know, in twenty twenty, I didn't necessarily felt
like there was a great path for him out of it. Yeah,
but they believe that the players weren't good enough in
(28:36):
his and they didn't have that in place yet. And
I understood that side of things like they didn't. There
was a mess in a lot of ways in that
point in time, and they give them more of his
players than it will work, and it did, and they
were right. It was that and he does have such
a good way of doing this, but that's not the case. Now,
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this isn't a place where they just hand you draft
picks and you have had no influence. You helped find
your guys. They found guys to fit your system. They
gave you all of these young guys, develop them and
grow the next core of this team. And the fact
that they've failed and aggressed a little bit, there's only
there's one place that it really that that is at
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the feet of right now, and that makes it that
seems a really tough thing to see survive. To run
it back at this level of disappointment seems a really,
really really hard sell, and it just feels like something
new is needed there. And that's not to say that
(29:41):
that's definitely gonna happen, but when you know that that's
the root of this whole thing, it seems really hard
to see it. You know, just get run back next
year and everybody say, sounds great, Yeah, something's gonna have
to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Good conversation on Paul's podcast about that very topic.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I watched folks on social media last night.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Or they're always fighting about something always, Oh, I mean,
it doesn't matter what, they're always fighting times they.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Fight about social media about you know, now we fight
about which platform you're on and what that says about you,
which I am not allowed to go somewhere or leave
or be on something that's great?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Is that that's the most social media If a were
gonna fight about which ones you're allowed to do, you
don't care.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Don't care what I do? Right, who cares?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Last line, everybody was fighting about Joe Mixon, so we
have to talk about him.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, your favorite tablets.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Let's relitigate again.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, fourteen away from four o'clock.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
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Speaker 2 (30:50):
Before we talk about Joe Mixon for the four million time.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, can you explain this Bengals Cowboys Simpson's thing.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Because I wasn't aware of it?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean I'm.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Gonna watch the Simpsons broadcast.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, yeah you will? Good? Yeah, yeah, sure, it might
be better than watching the.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Real against that Bengals defense.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah. Maybe Cooper Rush could light them up. I don't know.
Uh yeah, I don't. So, yeah, that's an alternate broadcast
that they've mean, there's a lot of production, as you
might imagine, that goes into having to create an alternate
broadcast with certain with players, you're gonna have all this
stuff that's gonna happen, So they a lot of background
they had to do on that to be ready. So
you can't switch it out. You can't flex it out
(31:37):
because they have to the stuff. They've recorded and done
all of that stuff well ahead of time. So it's
one of the few games that's locked in. So it's
really unflexible for that fact, they really want to do
this alternate broadcast thing of nobody certainly they might actually
do better just running old Simpsons episodes instead of the
(31:57):
game at this point when you consider the direction that
these two teams are going. But uh yeah, it's it's
it's gonna be there Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Okay, very good. You want to talk about Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Sure, I mean, I gotta tell you, I really kind
of thought that perhaps him leaving would take him off
of the local sports talk. But I get it, I
get it. The dudes the dude's playing well.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
He's playing well.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
What's interesting to me about him is what what I
see when I watch him play for the Texans doesn't
mesh with what some of the advanced metrics suggest, which
looked like his metrics last year here. Yeah, success rate,
I think yards before contact pretty.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Much the same. Nice averaging more yards per carry.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
But when you look at and if I was a
prepared host, the piece of paper I jotted all this
down on at six o'clock this morning, wouldn't be sitting
on my kitchen table, but I was. I've watched him
a lot. They've been in high profile games. I watched
him last night.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
He was terrific.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I watched his postgame interview with Scott van Pelt. What
my eyes tell me is that's a guy the Bengals
could use. What the numbers say is he's in many
respects kind of the same guy.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I yeah, I think so. But the way that they're
using him, I think the advantage of Joe Mixon was
always as a volume.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
He has six more attempts per game.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
There he does he people get sick of trying to
tackle that guy, and that was something that that the
Bengal staff would say often is that that's the advantage
of Joe Mixon is people just get sick of trying
to tackle him. He is just he's so hard to
bring down. He's just so physical and tough, and so
he is great in the wide zone system that they're
(33:38):
running there and as a high volume carrier and the
way that he can he can wear people down over
the course of games, and you've seen that, and he's
obviously tough in so many situations. That was their point
is that they're not ever going to be a high
volume running team, which is his strength. He's not playing
to the strength of Joe Burrow, and so that's part
of it. I also think he's also motivated in a
(34:03):
way that he hasn't ever, hasn't been in a long time,
and I think that's part of it. And he's clearly
playing like a motivated guy. Yeah, he's playing like he's
out for revenge on everybody that ever said that he
wasn't good anymore. And it shows and good for him.
One of the first things that I was told after
the Joe mixing thing happened was it might end up
making it look bad because it's actually a great spot
(34:24):
for him. And there's a reason why they were willing
to trade and wanted to make sure that they they
got him because I think they felt like he was
going to be a fit. I don't know that even
they at that point thought they were going to be
getting what they've been getting from Joe Mixon this year.
But yeah, obviously, obviously it's work.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I got like, three minutes here.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
If the Bengals on their last offensive drive score and
then in whatever amount of time is left, the Chargers
don't and they win the game, how much of your
story after the game is about the team bonding they
did in so cow Ough Zero.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I was like, you know, if we needed to come
up with some good team bonding things for them, I
wanted the idea like I want to see this entire
team doing a ropes course in Venice Beach together and
trust falls, you know, and and trying to help each other.
And that's what That's what I that's what I have.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
A buddy that is the company he works for made
him go on some retreat like that, and I said, like,
that's my version of hell on Earth.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Nobody like corporate retreat.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
My point was, know this, when you ever you've ever
been in a workplace and and they start talking about like, look,
we I think maybe things aren't going so well.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I know we're gonna do We're gonna.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Spend a little bit of extra time together. We're gonna
go away that night, Oh my god. And so we're
gonna go and do something. You know what, It turns
into a team bonding, that turns into complaining time. That's
when you start you get quiet off of the side.
I got a lot of extra time to kill. Let's
talk about Jones TPS reports.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
But here's the thing, Like, because you know, people made
fun of Zach for talking about it, and I said,
like if it's organic and and guys who because they're
all in the same hotel, decide we're all gonna go
to dinner together. Like there's ancillary benefit to that, like that,
I've been on work trips like that's you spend some
time with people that at home you typically don't get
a chance to spend time with. But what I was
(36:14):
looking forward to is if they win, the team bonding
being the pivot point to the season and we've been
deprived of that.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, no, I was gonna say that probably would have
ended up being a story about and let's see what
three years later, the go ball was actually able to
be thrown. How unbelievable is it that again it ends
up with a go ball at the end. It's so
Fi they come back, and I was like, oh, it
(36:40):
would have been I mean, it would have been the
perfect story. They got enough protection for Burrow to get
the go ball off this time, and it gets them
the big win that they needed to try to get
back to the super Bowl in so Fi. Instead. They
may never throw another go ball or attempt one in
Sofi ever, again, certainly not late in games. But there
it was. And after the game, you know, I asked
(37:01):
Joe if there were any specific there's He was very
clearly hanging on to some things. He was beating himself
up about. Ask them what they were, and that's where
he started again. He leaves the stadium thinking about that,
and you're right though, and we just talking to the
picture and he was saying, I mean, I will live
with that all day. Those guys are going to hit
those like that is my dream scenario that you end
(37:23):
up with Jamar open on a go ball and and
Joe throwing it to him. But they didn't connect. Story
this season didn't didn't quite make that one last play.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Enjoy your You're Bye Week. I'm tarin.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I'm gonna screw up the clock here because I do
want you to talk about your event Thursday.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Oh yeah, I'm super excited about this. My favorite game
series that we've done a bun ton of these together.
But we have somebody come on and talk about their
favorite game they've ever been in and we sort of
rehash all of it, getting into the minutia, the legacy,
the lead up to it, everything else. Todd Frazier is
going to be our guest down at bet MGM Nation
Kitchen and Bar right down there at the Banks, and
(37:59):
we're we're gonna discuss the twenty fifteen Home Run Derby.
It's myself, Sea, Trent, and Jim Day on the panel
along with Todd, and we're gonna re air it from
five to seven there in the bar, and the panel
will start at seven and we'll talk about the Home
Run Derby everything with him that and he'll do a
little meet and greet after that. It's gonna be an
awesome night. I always love those things. I know we've
(38:20):
had a lot of fun doing those in the past
where you can really dive back into thing. We're almost
you know, nine years almost ten years ago, one of
the best events in the history of that state. And
they'll be right across the street. Really excited about doing that.
A little bit of a break from the Bengals stuff
that people probably need at this point. So that'll be
the panel. Start at seven o'clock on Thursday night at
bet MGM Nation Kitchen. Right, you'll post all that it's
(38:40):
a podcast, yes, eventually, Yeah, we'll get that up the
next day.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
All right, enjoy your time off. We'll do see in
two weeks.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Absolutely. I'm Tanner Jiner.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Read his work the Athletic dot Com. Catch the podcast
The Growler Podcast. Where you get your podcast?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Four o'clock Buffalo Wild Wings, Westchester, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports station.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
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