11/25/24 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:13):
The bye week edition of the Tonian Mo Football Show
on ESPN fifteen thirty. We are broadcasting today from Twin
Peaks in Westchester, home of the Tonya Mo Football Show.
One of the two homes of the Tony and Mo
Football Show every single Monday during the football season, with
the exception of in a couple of weeks when the
Bengals play on Monday, will move the show to Tuesday.

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We're here in Westchester until six o'clock. We'll be back
in Florence next Monday and the week after that. If
you haven't been to Twin Peaks, you're probably like most
of our coworkers who tell us, Oh, we're gonna come
to a show, right, and it's week twelve. We're still waiting.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
This still one I circled as well because week twelve
of ten year anniversary season.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
And Thanksgiving week. Yeah right, let's face it, not a
lot of commerce getting done perhaps, so I don't know.
We'll see if anybody we know shows up. But even
if we don't know you, we'd love to see you.
Twin Peaks is right off I seventy five the Union
Center Boulevard exit. There's a really good afternoon college basketball slate.
We've got a good Monday night football game tonight late

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night MAUI Invitational Dayton North Carolina. Earlier than that. Xavier
is playing tonight against South Carolina. You can watch all
those games at yukon right now, right now, so all
of them happening. We've got cold beer, great food. We
both have meatball skillets coming, and a whole lot of fun.
So come on out and see us. We are here

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till six o'clock with no Bengals loss to Ruin the
mood Man.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
And I'm sure so many ready to get on that
playoff predictor on ESPN dot com and chart the path forward.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
Yeah for the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Austin's been doing that and carved out away for all
four AMC North teams to make the postseason.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Maybe a little bit ahead of himself.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Maybe Unfortunately, we do have a Bearcat game to talk about.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah, basketball look great. Yes, I think they've answered the bell.
But yeah, Road Wins can't wait to talk about the
hoop Squad.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
And Xavior.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
I mean, both teams now in the top twenty five
shootout just a couple of weeks away. I agree, we
got a Bearcat game to talk about.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
You certainly have a chance of both teams being ranked
on December fourteenth, and maybe both teams being undefeated. Xavier's
got a couple of games in Fort Myers this week. Typically,
we devote a segment to the UC football team. Hang on, okay,
we are allowed to say Bearcats?

Speaker 6 (03:33):
Oh, so are you sure we're good?

Speaker 7 (03:37):
Some?

Speaker 6 (03:38):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Because it are Mike Mills doubles as are? Yeah, we
can say it, we just can't spell it. It could
be like Sam Houston State, the Bearcats are a k.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Do we have to make sure that people know we're
referring to the Cincinnati Bearcats. We just can't.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, right, ask legal what we're allowed to do. Yeah,
we gotta be careful about that. We'll talk about Cincinnati
football this weekend.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Typically, we spent some time later in the show talking
about the most recent UC game. Because there's no Bengal game,
I thought we'd lead off with it today. That was
my plan all along, and I'm not going to deviate
from it. Despite what you witnessed in person on Saturday night,
which was frankly a pretty ugly performance.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah, all around, it looked like a team defensively, first
of all, that went into a game not knowing Avery
Johnson was a mobile quarterback. Now, Avery Johnson for much
of the year has been a little banged up, so
they hadn't run him as much. But they did run
him the week before. You would think going in that
you would understand he was going to be up and
able to run. And ran it three times on the

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first drive and no one touched him. I mean it
looked like they were not prepared for a mobile quarterback.
So defense was on the teals immediately.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I knew.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Offensively, like I talked to coaches before the game, it was.
It was a complete reversal from the week before. Iowa
States really good against the past, terrible as to run,
Kansas State really good against the run, terrible against the pass.
And still as we've seen now I talked to you
throughout the game and after, I don't really know the

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last time I felt like this offense was operating at.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
A high level.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
And if I'm looking at an offensive play caller who's
an offensive head coach, you want to see the team
and the side of the ball getting better as the
season goes on.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I've seen regression.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
I've seen a team that hasn't scored twenty five since
win Texas Tech twenty five.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
It's not a giant threshold. It's not a giant threshold
to overcome.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
So the offense has been bad, defense looked unprepared, special teams.
Mason Fletcher just doesn't look like himself at all. Two
horrible punts early in the game. No, it was ten
to nothing after the first quarter. On the sidelines, it
felt like thirty to nothing. Not much juice in the
locker room at halftime, A bad interception to go into
the half, and we've seen it many times, momentum completely

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lost going into a half, second half, no juice it was.
It was unlike any of the other losses this year
where they've been competitive, a couple things don't go their way.
They've now lost four in a row. They're five and six,
coming home for a chance for BAWL eligibility against a
TCU team that all of a sudden looks the party.
It just it couldn't be a worse stretch for the

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Bearcats than at five and two beating Arizona State and
in the postgame press conference talking about a Big Twelve
title in a Big Twelve path, and now here we are,
a complete and utter collapse from the Bearcats.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
So go back to the Arizona State game. You see
won that game. The sun Devils have had a terrific season.
They did play with the backup quarterback, but at halftime
of that game, Cincinnati had twenty four points and the
offense was functioning really efficiently and really effectively. Since then,
it's been the exact opposite.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
What happened, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
I mean they gave away all offensively, They gave away
the game against westg Yeah, Colorado, I tip my cap,
I know Colorado lost them. What was a crazy weekend
for the Big twelve. I thought Colorado visibly was the
best team I watched them play this year.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, you see, offensively started really they did really hot
in that game though, So.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
They don't make the end game adjustments.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
They've lost to me, the downfield pass, I don't remember
the last time we saw passes go twenty five yards
in the air. They ran a crossing route early against
Kansas State where Xavier Henderson caught the ball. It's only
crossing route I saw. Everything else is straight ahead. They
feel like to me a very easy offense to defend.
We heard the postgame press conference last week of well,

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they dropped eight. There's nothing we can do do about
in the passing game, Scott's Ouderfield told me before the game.
They played downhill. Safeties come in the box. There's great
opportunities outside in Manda Man matchups.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
Just not seeing it. Corey Conner's not gone anywhere like
just it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Maybe I over offensively at least maybe I overrate the
talent they have. But I think they have good offensive linemen.
I think they have two or three offensive linemen who
will get a chance to play professionally. I think their
wide receivers are good players. I think Tony Johnson's a
good player. I think Xavier Henderson's a good player. I
think Joe Royer is going to play in the National
Football League. Corey Kiner is one of the best backs

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they've had. Evan Pryor, who Brendan missed on another throw good,
very good. Like those are good players. And the Brendan
Soarersby I saw early in the season might not be
an NFL guy, but as a big twelve quarterback, I
did not expect him to win all these games. I
didn't expect him when they were five and two to
finish nine and three or ten and two. But I

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didn't expect this because I thought a lot of the
talent did am I or you or many of us
guilty of overrating their offensive talent.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
I find I find it hard to believe that the
offense isn't as good as they or is operating as
good as they can be.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
I think the the pro sure they put on against
you in the run game should open up so many
things in the passing game.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I do.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
I think it's fair, And I think some of this
with Sworsby, Like when you see Sworersby or you hear
him talk, he comes across like a senior. Yes, there
is an understanding, he's still a sophomore, no doubt he's
still young. But to play it that high of a level,
and it's not like they did it in Better Texas
Tech was a crazy environment. He was down to his
four string running back and out multiple receivers. He was fantastic.

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He's used as It's just the mistakes that this team
has made and their margin frere is so small. I
assumed earlier in the year that they're gonna have to win.
They're probably gonna outscore a lot of teams. Well, now,
if you look at the starting field position over the
this four game losing streak, they're getting dominated. Special teams
has fallen apart. Defense is okay, Like defense. I thought

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he's played winning football over the last couple of weeks.
Outside of Saturday night. They didn't against Kansas State. I
thought they West Virginia. I thought they did, yes, And
the offense is just completely faltered. And we're going to
talk about offense. That's Scott Saderfield's baby, that's his that's
his cup of tea, that's his bread and butter with
this offense.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
So I wasn't texting anybody. I was on my phone
doing calculations that I did this morning and left of
my house. Through the first seven games, Brendan Soresby's yards
per attempt was eight point three, which would put him,
I think right now, third in the Big Twelve. Over
the course of the season, in the four games since
each losses yards per tempt five point nine, which I

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think would put him last in the Big twelve. I
just I see a quarterback who's gun shy.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
That's my What I don't know is because I don't
know the plays called. But I talked to a couple
of coaches pregame, and the consensus was the same, gotta
let it rip, gotta let it fly. So they might
be calling those plays. He's just not letting it rip.
But those times early in the season, whether it was
Burke Calter, Xavier Henderson, Tony Johnson, they were down the

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field throws even the the the major plays they've had
in recent weeks have been short pass, catch and run.
You can't operate like that over the course of a season.
Other teams are privy to it.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
They aren't.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
They are, in my opinion, wasting talent Corey Kiner. Like
that's a good run defense. That's as hard as Corey's
run all year. Yeah, on a season that's slipping away
and pointing the guy and the guy.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
I think you guys talked about it in the post game.
I hate to harp on effort because effort, effort should
be built in. But that guy the last two weeks
hasn't gone down without a fight. No, that guy could
play for me anytime.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Fights like if in my like in my view of
what is a bear cat, like that's Corey Kiner just
plays his tail off, blue collar plays with the chip
on his shoulder. He's so good. And that's what I
don't understand. He's running for nine yards of carry and
there's no.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
Work off of it.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Yeah, we were talking about this before the game. Kansas
State blitz is fifty percent of the time on first down.
They blitzed on their first three first downs. They witnessed
and as the game went on, if I'm seeing this
on the field, there has to be someone else seeing it.
Every time the Bearcats gained any success, a couple first

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downs in a row crossed the fifty. Kansas State's immediate
answer was, blitz. I can see it. People can call
it out before the snap. How are there no blitz beaters?
How are there no screen? Scot Satafield had set up
to the game. He thought the old line got beat up,
but Kansas State pressured consistently anytime their back was against
the wall.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
It felt like there was no answer for that. So
they're gonna play a game on Saturday, Senior Night, nip
at Night, nipitt Knight. They have a chance if they win,
to achieve ball eligibility and finish six and six. Coming
into the season, a lot of us said six and
six would feel like a success if they win this
game on Saturday. I'm not sure six and six is

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going to feel like a success to anybody.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
No, it doesn't, because again, like Colorado is a good team,
Iowa State on the road is a tough place to go.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
Win.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
The West Virginia loss sticks with you. The Pittsburgh loss
certainly sticks with you at this point. Like Texas Tech,
I'm like, okay, they fought they were shorthanded. Yes, okay,
you lose that one. Look like a big twelve team.
But what they've done down the stretch and my biggest
concern in today's world of the portal mo we already
saw today they lost the recruit. We saw today that

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a corner Carrol went to the portal. In today's world,
it's one thing to fight and scratch and claw and
just come up short. It's another thing for the performance
they had on Saturday night in Kansas State. Now, what
does that reverberate through. Has the locker room quit does
the locker room still come together? Because for the most
part we've talked about this as well, games have gotten

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out of hand. They've answered the bell the next week.
They did that early after the Pittsburgh game with Miami.
Are they going to answer the bell because Saturday night
they didn't answer the bell for the first time, in
my opinion, all year. And this is a different game
than when the schedule first came out, because the second
half of the season for TCU has been much different
than the first half. This is a team that's playing

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good football. They put up forty nine the other night
on Arizona. This isn't a TCU team coming in playing
for nothing. This is a team on their chance to
get their eighth win. They're still playing for a lot.
What kind of energy can be matched from.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
The Bearcats is my biggest question then, And maybe you
could you could ask this if they finish with a
win and go six and six, but you know, at
least then that gives them a chance to go to
a bowl game and win it and create some measure
of momentum to go from five to two to five
and seven.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Yeah, and then what you gotta do.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
You still got to go back to all those donors
and businesses and say, hey, I need more money for
the football program. You've got to now look at the
recruits and I think they're mid sixties right now recruiting class.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
He's got to go to season ticket own correct that
job the head I said this last week, the UC
head coaching job has always been about getting the fans
energized and maintaining that energy. Scott Saderfield, who I think
is an extraordinarily nice man, hasn't done that, and I
don't think he's going anywhere. I think he's going to

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be the coach of the Marracats next season. We can
get into the wisdom of giving him the buyout that
he's got, but I just if, especially if they lose
on Saturday, you go from five to two to five
and seven, that's going to be a really tough sell
for a lot of different types of people.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
You've hit on it.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
In today's world, coaches, programs can turn around quicker than
they ever have. But you shouldn't have the least you
should always have because again, you you only get a
short window at this What I can't wrap my head
around flying back on Saturday night, we're three years of
removed from the College Football Playoff, where this program was

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at a peak. It's now to ye and now we're
talking about can they just went at home to get
the six after starting five and two. It's been a
couple of years you were on top of the college
football world. To talk of the college football world. You
don't have time to middle around with this. It's got
to get turned around now, and you have to be
one thousand percent shore in today's world that you had

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the right guy in place.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
And the other thing is like you look at the
Big Twelve, it's not like them playing in the SEC
where you go, well, you know what, They're never going
to compete at the very very very top of this league.
The very top of this league isn't great now. It's
a fun, entertaining league. And there's some good teams and
need stories. Arizona States and needs story, or some really
well coach teams. Iowa State's got a very respected head coach.

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But you're not looking at anybody going, boy, they're out
of reach.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Have they played a game in your memory in the
sadderfield era that they went into the game and had
no business being in in won? No, Because if I
take a screenshot of just this weekend in the Big Twelve,
teams who had no business winning won is when is

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the last time you mentioned Arizona State, who might play
for in the College football Playoff? They played without their
quarterback that's a big loss. When they've had their quarterback,
when they played us correct, when they've had their quarterback,
they've been completely different. Is there another game you can
point to and say and they had no business winning
that so or or what a win like Iowa State

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was winnable to me?

Speaker 4 (17:26):
In the last twenty two games, the game that I
have walked away from feeling most encouraged was a loss,
and that was Texas Tech.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
I walked away from that game going, you know, offensively.
They hung in there. Yeah, Soresby made one mistake which
kind of tilted the game, but they they hung in
there on the road and still have more than half
a season to go. I think the frustrating thing about
Saturday was it wasn't unexpected, right, you know.

Speaker 6 (17:50):
I was a big worry going in.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
I had a really bad feeling the game was gonna
look like it did. Yeah, and I was desperately hoping
to be surprised, and instead I just kind of shrugged
my shoulders and said, that's about what I expected.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
That's yeah, that's not good. I want to see fight.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
And the way the game started three and out and
you watch them go right down the field like you're
playing for a lot, and it didn't feel like that matched.
It didn't feel like a team that was desperate or
had their back against the wall.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
That game felt like the latter half of twenty fifteen. Yeah,
and most of twenty sixteen, which Tommy Tumberville was the
head coach. And that's not a comparison, no, anybody wants
to have to.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
And it's also unfortunate because outside of that, what a
really fun weekend of college football that we can talk
about us. Yeah, and a very interesting college football playoff
ranking that'll come out tomorrow night, no.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Doubt about it.

Speaker 8 (18:42):
All.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Right, See, here's what we did. We got it out
of the way.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
Yeah, I think that's okay.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
So we did twenty minutes on the UC game, right,
and now it's not going to hang over us between
that normally like the five twenty or five thirty segment
is when we steered toward the Bearcats. I got it
out of the way for you, and we're good. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
I guess it feels good to get it done early,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
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Bengals game to talk about yesterday, but a wild and
extraordinarily entertaining week twelve with a good game tonight and
the Pittsburgh Steelers looming on Sunday. Lots to get to
between now and six. On ESPN fifteen thirty plus, we
have Joe Mixon popping off and Evan McPherson talks about

(19:41):
his recent struggles. We have a lot of ground to cover.
On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

Speaker 9 (19:45):
Station cincinnifty with Tony Pike.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Do we want to move on?

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They're to keep going and Boston Elmore.

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I think you should continue to let me keep going.

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we have no real Bengals news to speak of. Today,
we have Joe Mixon popping off on the Bengals, which.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
Oh, Orlando Brown Junior was back in uniform LANDA Brown
was back.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Sorry, sorry, I didn't want to downplay. That's not insignificant
by any stretchy right about that? Well, we'll have the
audio later on. Joe Mixon has had some things to
say about the Bengals, many of which are fair, but
then he also needlessly said some things about beat writers
who covered him very fairly. We'll have that for you
his I don't know if they're fraudulent, they're just they're

(20:44):
not there yet. Yeah, I mean from the the from
how high the stroud stock was, yes, so where it
is now? And I know that they lost the Von
Diggs Collins has just kind of gotten back into the
fold after an injury. But I don't I don't take
them seriously as AFC championship contenders.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
Yeah, how's that?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, I mean about they're fraudulent, because I still feel
like they're a team pointing in the right direction. But
I didn't think that they were capable of winning a
title this season, really canting for one this year. But
I wouldn't go fraudulent, but I do. If you listen
to all the preseason hype and you look at where
they are right now, watch how they played at home yesterday,
maybe you'll use that word college basketball Earlier today, Miami

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beats Sienna in Fort Myers seventeen to fifty eight. That's
where Xavier plays tonight, twenty second rated Musketeers against South Carolina.
That game is going to tip off right around eight thirty,
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have Monday Night football after that doubleheader of Kentucky shows.
The hardball ball I'm not sure you knew this. The
Ravens coach is brothers with the Chargers coach.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Well, the Ravens coach might not have Rokwan Smith tonight.
That's a problem, which would be an issue. Yes, looking
forward to that one. Can we get, in your opinion,
an undefeated UC undefeated Xavier at the shootout?

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Now the UC team that played Saturday? Yes, Xavier has
played really well as of late.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
So playing a team from the SEC tonight and then
either Virginia Tech or Michigan or Jinia Tech got beat
by Jacksonville Wednesday, Right, they still have to go to TCU. Yeah,
Bearcats have two by games sandwiched around Villanova, which I
don't think Villanova is as bad as they have looked. Sure,

(23:00):
but I do think the bark Head should win that game.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Would you wager on? We can make that a pole question?
It's a good one. Would you wager on or against
both teams being undefeated?

Speaker 6 (23:11):
I think they both can be.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
They certainly both can be. It'd be cool wager.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
I think I think the odds would be better for
me to say yes, so I'll say yes.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
So they still two weeks from Saturday, if both are undefeated,
could we be talking about at least one team maybe
in the top ten.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
I would think both teams in the top fifteen.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, which would be awesome.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
By the way, the Maley Invitational, you really miss Bill Walton,
no question about it, without a doubt.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
No question.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
And are you with are you one of these because
I've been getting hammered with this, like as a UC
basketball fan, like Watside of UC basketball, we need to
root for North Carolina this year because you don't want
North Carolina to move.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
On from the form. Tonight, I've got a news Frey
of pal zero point zero chance. I'm rooting for North
Carolina tonight.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
No I to that, I say, can we just enjoy it? Well,
it's every time the more UC wins with Wes Miller.
But it's the Big Twelve. It's no longer like he's
coaching an AAC team. The Big Twelve is a destination job,
right for head coaches. It's the best league in the sport. Yeah,
and you have a team that can compete in the

(24:16):
best league. And oh, by the way, you're doing a
really clean up job here recruiting. If you're Wes Miller
as well, I am not.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
I'm just gonna enjoy it remotely worried about that. You
know what I'm worried about. Is this team as good
as I think it can be? Yah? Is their ceiling
as high as I think it is? Because I know
Georgia Tech isn't very good and they were supposed to
be Northern Kentucky they were thirteen and a half point favorites,
but they haven't played a game yet. That has made

(24:44):
me think, you know what, They're not as good as
I thought. Everything I have seen has been encouraging. I
can only go by what I've seen, which are the
five games they've played. It again, Georgia Tech picked to
finish twelfth in the league. That's their third loss of
the season. That's not a very good team. But if
you've just watched the Bearcats play, what is there? What
is there to really be deeply concerned about it. I
wish they were a better rebounding team.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
But Dan Skillings helps out as well when he gets back.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
And he was jogging before the game. I think they're
they could be better defensively, but I don't think they're
bad defensively.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
I they I know, we we got the UC loss
out of the way, but Connor Hickman had the quietest
good game. Dylan Mitchell, dude, unbelievable, dude, Gisel James, the
way he plays, see Moss and like they have they
have so many complimentary pieces because he's Paige, like Josh

(25:36):
Reed played really hard, played really good minute.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Page has to get better on the defensive end, and
Tyler Betsy has to get better on the defensive end.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
But Dade Thomas made some good plays.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
That's he's you know, the thing about him. You and
I talked about this a lot last year that the
thing that everybody held against him las year is he's
not Gigsel James, but if he's your backup point card.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Yeah, I did remind myself Saturday because we went we
went to a beat Ups in Manhattan and for the
like forty five minutes are like we don't have ESPN.
Plus I'm like, Kansas State is in the Big twelve,
Like yeah, so finally they put it on. But before that,
I was just having lunch with Jim Kelly and we
were watching a game on my phone and I was
brought back and I don't know why I'm like this.

(26:16):
I think it's just thirty eight years of Cincinnati sports
I just never feel comfortable in games.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
You know.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
It's funny, and they did a really good job of
closing the door or like, it never like they got
the ten point lead. It is like they never really
got threatened. They always pushed the lead further and further. Yeah,
I just think I've been Cincinnati sports like, I've been
victimized so many times so that I watched these games
with a different feel.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
I was.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
I was down there in Atlanta for working with Terry Nelson,
and early in the second half, U SEE struggled a
little bit offensive and still extended their lead by a point. Now,
a lot of that was Georgia Tech. It's just, frankly
not very good. And I said to Terry Nelson, I
am irrationally confident, yeah about this game, And I'm irrationally

(27:02):
confident about this team. And I'm not comfortable feeling that way.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
Different Like you and I watched the West Virginia game
together last year and there was a point we got irrationally.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Confident and they lost the game.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Huh.

Speaker 6 (27:14):
And now I feel like I'm just nervous to let
the guard down. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
But the more I watch them, and the more I
see the guys coming off the bench, and they're just
they're just solid in so many positions that it makes.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
You feel good about them.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Yeah, and then the Carolina is gonna be an absolute,
absolute dogfight.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
But that's what you want, right And like.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Again, I can I can hear it now. Well, they
haven't played anybody, I get it. I just all they
can do is go by what I've watched, and what
I've watched has been extraordinarily encouraging. They've played five games
this season. They haven't appeared in the NCAA tournament since
twenty nineteen. They haven't won an NCAA tournament game since
twenty eighteen. They haven't played in the Swede sixteen and

(27:56):
twelve years. And I'm gonna worry about North Carolina and
West Miller Are you kidding me? Legit Flyers? Then yeah,
Dayton hammers them by seventy nine points tonight. I mean really,
that's that's where we are about. Im about get to
an NCAA tournament.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
First and then take care of the Flyers in a
couple of weeks as well.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Fine by me, Yeah, let's do it like they they
haven't beaten Xavier since McK cronin's last season. Their biggest rival, Like,
how about how about check some boxes first before we
start worrying about North Carolina and New York Knicks legend
Hubert Davis is.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
The is the Dayton game? Is that it Heritage Bank again?
Or the day Is that in Kansas City or somewhere
else It's.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Gonna beat down to Dayton. It's at Heritage Bank Arena. Great?
So last year felt like a Dayton home Oh my gosh,
will it feel like it was? Last year was brutal?
Will it feel like a Dayton home game? This gay?

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Last year was sandwich like the shootout loss, the Dayton loss.
That was a bad stretch of basketball.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
So there you go, which is in a basketball secy?
I feel better after that. I've not even really talked
about the Bengals yet. Who Day thirteen minutes away from
eight nine might get him in eight and nine? One
hocket the eight and nine will nocket them their favorites
this weekend. They should be. Pittsburgh offensively has not been
very good. I know the snow slowed them down and

(29:09):
George Pickens was all mad about it. That is a
winnable game on Sunday. It's a losible game on Sunday
as well. I don't think the Steelers are the best
team on their schedule. We'll talk about who is coming
up after the four o'clock top of the hour. We're
here at Twin Peaks in Westchester on ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
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Speaker 4 (29:35):
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conference at four thirty three. He's bringing the ping pong
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Speaker 4 (31:21):
All right, it's our number two, the middle hour of
the Tony and Mo Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty.
We're broadcasting today from Twin Peaks in Westchester. It's the
bye week edition. You know, let's be honest, it's it's
a holiday week man, right. Most folks working a short week.
Some people like you work a half hour on Wednesday.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
We're working a short week.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
So you know, let's not gonna get any work done tomorrow.
So blow off the rest of your day now, going
hang out here at Twin Peaks. We're here till six o'clock.
There is a loaded sports slit on TV tonight. You
got Monday Night football, you get a Xavier game, you
got a dating game, you got all sorts of college hoops.
Beyond that, the Knicks play the Nuggets tonight. Maybe they'll

(32:01):
put that up there on there for you. They a
lot going on, so you can watch all those games here,
have a great dinner, get a meat ball skill, and
I haven't gotten my hot fudge Sunday.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
You think an hour three tonight?

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Hour three is gonna be the hot fudge Sunday hour? Yeah, okay,
I was thinking four to thirty when Zach Taylor's press
conferences on.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
That might work too, but I figured by at least five.
You know, folks around the office probably tidying up some
stuff before the holiday.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
They know, I hear their carpooling. They know it's ten
year yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Anniversary season, So I would imagine this as the holiday
season officially gets underway, would be a time that they
maybe shower us with a gift or two, and I
thought probably hour three they'll.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Start showing up. Well, we'll see, we'll see if you're
right about that. We're here in west Chester today, back
in Florence tomorrow and the following Monday. We'll have Bengals
games to talk about. We don't have a Bengals game
yesterday to talk about. But yesterday was not a great
day for the Cincinnati Bengals. Now, they did get some
help from the Detroit Lions, who continue to look like
the greatest football team of all time. You're poison hammering

(32:56):
the Indianapolis Colts. I don't know how. You don't know
how you defend them, and they've they've shown maybe some
cracks defensively, though I don't really think they showed any yesterday.
I don't know how you defend that team.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
They show the cracks defensively. But do you want Golf
to throw for five touchdowns or yesterday where he wasn't
as sharp and Gibbs crushes yet right or another week
Montgom like Gibbs, got twenty one carries yesterday, Montgomery got
eight the next week.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
It could be flipped of that.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Like they are, they're so multi dimensional, they're so balanced,
and I know the term gets thrown out there a ton.
They play such good, complimentary football, yes, and they take
on the identity of their head coach.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
So Detroit helps. Unfortunately, the Bengals did not get any
help from the New England Patriots who were hammered by
the Miami Dolphins, and I didn't get any help from
on the Las Vegas Raiders. Des Ritter had to come
in at the end of that game. Didn't look great.
Gardner Minshew with a broken collar bone. Denver comes back
and beats the Raiders. So the Bengals didn't play yesterday.
But their dv A playoff odds did take a hit.

(33:59):
They went from ten point four percent to ten point
one percent playoffs status dot com, So you're saying there's
a chance dropped him from twelve percent to six percent,
but mathematically not yet eliminated. But the road to the
postseason did get a little bit more difficult yesterday.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Well, the road to the postseason would start with a
win over a team with a winning record.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
That would help. So like I get there.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
They're favorite this weekend, and they probably should be because
Pittsburgh's offense is nothing to write home about. But you
know you you mentioned the games yesterday. What I think
is even more interesting to look at is what those
teams have coming up.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
So the Colts.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
The remainder of the Colts schedule is at New England.
That should be a win, and then they're at Denver,
which I think will ultimately be an elimination game probably
for the Colts.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Sure, or opens up the.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Door against Denver. Sure, but they have the Titans, Giants,
and Jaguars. Those are all winnable games.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
For the Colts.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
The Denver Broncos, who I know, we'll spend some time
talking about Cleveland, Indy if their end of the season
is different at the Chargers at the Bengals and the
Chiefs at home. The question would be are the Chiefs
still playing for the number one seed or is that
already locked?

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Let me give you the hot take. Broncos are the
better team best left on the Bengals schedule.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Absolutely, they look ridiculously good right now. Bow Knicks does
not look like a rookie Sean Paytonham has them playing
really well in Miami, and that's.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
More of a statement about Denver than hisent indictment against Pittsburgh. Correct.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
And at the end of it, the Dolphins, who have
now come back from dead so different with Tua tongue
of Ioloa. They win yesterday with Dylan Waddle being the guy.
John hu Smith has now emerged as this extremely confident weapon.
They play the Packers, who might be the best team
no one's talking about right, correct, Yes, the Jets, the Texans, eh,

(35:51):
and then it's the forty nine Ers, Browns and Jets. So, like,
I know, Miami's playing better. I don't think Miami holds
onto one of those spots above the Bengals. Okay, I
don't think the Colts do. I think Denver's going to
be the problem.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
The Denver we watched when we were doing the pregame
show against Atlanta. Against Atlanta and then Denver and what
they did yesterday are some of the most impressive performances
you can see. And their rookie quarterbacks playing so well,
and their defense. They're also very complimentary to each other.
But if you're at least looking for the path forward.

(36:26):
That's the path the other teams are sitting. They're probably
having the same conversation that we're having tea.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
So I worry maybe a little bit more about Miami
than you do, because that offense just looks entirely different
than it did before Tua got hurt. Now the question
is does he stay healthy. They've beaten up bad teams,
but offensively, I think what they do travels, so to speak.
The problem with Denver is just the math of it, right, So, yeah,
you do get ahead to head game, but right now

(36:51):
they're three games ahead of you in the win column. Yeah.
I think it comes down to this. We've played this
game all season long for eleven? Is it a must win? Right?

Speaker 6 (37:01):
We're gonna I know, we'll keep doing it. They still
haven't beat anybody, got.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
They haven't beat anybody any good And the reality is
they have to get to at least nine eight and
nine is not gonna do it, which means they've got
to win at least five out of six. Is this
team good enough to do that? And nothing about the
first eleven games would strongly suggest the answer is yes. Now,
you might say, well, Burrow is good enough. He is,
But is the defense, or you might say, you know, god,

(37:26):
the Steelers offensively are a little bit of a mess,
and the Cowboys aren't very good.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
You're just having to talk yourself into too much.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
That's the thing I have spent a lot of time.
We joked about this last Monday. It would not stun
me if the Bengals go on a little bit of
a run, But then you need the other teams to cooperate.
And it wouldn't stun me if any of these other
teams collapsed. But will the Bengals going to run?

Speaker 5 (37:46):
The only thing to rebuttle the Dolphins that I held
them differently to is I watched the big fuss last
year when they had to go play in cold weather. Sure,
they're gonna play down the stretch in Green Bay, New
York and Cleveland. Those will probably be three pretty cold games.
And I don't know if it travels as well with TUA.
Their running game the last couple weeks hasn't been as

(38:09):
good as it was in years past. Now they're using
their running game or their passing game as an extension
of the running game. I just don't know if they're
built in those three cold weather games to play at
the same level.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
But you're right, man.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
A couple of weeks ago, we held on hope because
like Denver will get the head to head. Denver's really
good right now and by the time they play the
Bengals probably gonna be even better because they're getting more
and more reps with with bo Nicks. Now again, I
think it comes down to a lot of what the
Chiefs are doing in the final week of the regular season.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
You want that game to matter. What are the Chargers?

Speaker 6 (38:46):
What's that looked like.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
At that point, because you know, once the Chargers game
went south, the problem is you lose any type of
ability to catch the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
So you talked about that Colts Broncos game. I'm rooting
for Indy, yes, because I think, yeah, because I want
to bring the team that leads everybody else back to
the pack. The Colts do not scare me. Anthony Richardson
does not scare me. No, the Broncos do, yep. And
so I need I need some help from somewhere. I'll
take I'll take it from whoever, but I'll take it

(39:15):
from Indy.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
They are easily the best team that the Bengals will
play going for me.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Now, the Bengals will play Pittsburgh on Sunday. The Steelers
against Baltimore in that showdown for first place in the
AFC North Snow Bubble Game snow Globe Game, didn't score
a touchdown against Baltimore. That's not a good Ravens defense.
And then on Thursday Night, I felt like once they
took the lead, they were gonna win the game. They
got to turn over with just under four minutes to go,

(39:40):
and you give Jamis Winston and the Browns credit. They
come back and win, which was a really fun game
to watch because I didn't have to sit in the snow.
So Pittsburgh is still a playoff team and they're still
exceeding I think a lot of people's expectations. And Mike
Tomlin's a great coach. But have cracks been revealed in
that offense enough to feel make you feel better about

(40:02):
the Bengals chances on Sunday?

Speaker 6 (40:03):
I think so.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
And it's hard because we just talked about it when
the Bengals played the Ravens. Of how hard AFC North
or in Division Thursday night road games are for the
road team, So I get that side of it. But
if you're the Steelers you can't help coming out of
that and feeling like you open the door, because if
you take care of business there, you send a message

(40:25):
that kind of verberates through. Now you got to play
the Bengals where you're a dog. You've got to turn
around and play that same Cleveland team again on the
other side of that. So I think you allow that
bit of self doubt to creep in, Whereas now you
look and say, well, they did only score six field
goals against it. At that point it's they won scoring
the field goals. Offense sputtered again and not easy conditions

(40:48):
on Thursday night. But I am interested to see one
what Steeler team shows up Sunday And two is this
a game where the Bengals defense can start to rally,
Because if you're holding out hope to that six percent
or that ten percent, the hope would be if you
do make the playoffs, you're doing so in the defense
has to have been doing something right, which would give

(41:09):
you confidence going into a playoff that the defense is
playing better. Because let's face it, if if you give
up twenty eight or something like that to the Steelers,
that offense, yeah it's over anyway.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
And then we're talking about draft and right which pick
they're going to have and all that, which is not fun.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
It is worth mentioning because we've kind of looked at
the schedule like this, well, you know what, just figure
out a way to beat Pittsburgh and then favored against Dallas,
favored against Tennessee, favored against Cleveland. It's worth mentioning. The
Cowboys played really hard to miss today, made some bone
headed decisions at the end of the game.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
You know, they played like a team with their back
against the ruck.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Played in one on the road. Tennessee played in one
on the road. Look good, yeah, played hard yeah. And
you know, say what you want about the Browns. Maybe
the snow mitigated the advantage the Steelers had, but at
home figured out a way to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers
while playing with Jamis a quarterback, and so you know,
you could say, well, just get get past Pittsburgh and

(42:04):
then the pathway opens up. Those teams have proven to
be Pittsburgh, I'm sorry, Dallas and Tennessee and Cleveland this
weekend each beat playoff hopefuls, two of them on the road.
So I'm not trying to be negative here by any stretch.
Of the imagination. But it's about a little bit more

(42:26):
than just beating Pittsburgh on Sunday. Yeah, and then you're
good to go.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
The only thing I think it would open is the
pathway to have a conversation. Sure, right, because let's face it,
there's no conversation. He correct, they win, then the conversation
starts off. Let's say they beat them handily. Yeah, then
you say, screw nine and eight. Can this team get
to ten and seven?

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Right?

Speaker 5 (42:46):
And then the numbers add up to your favor a
little bit, and those that's six percent of the ten percent.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
It starts to climb week after week after week.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
But let's be honest, Sunday would give them an opportunity
pretty much for us to start having a conversation.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah. To quote Dan Horde, Sunday feels like coffin nails.
If they lose, and there's a little bit of a
door crack. Yeah, if they win, yep, And again you're
gonna do that.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
And then because it's a different week, you're gonna be
paying close attention to what these other teams are doing,
you know, Thursday or that are playing before you.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
There's just there's a lot that has to happen. I mean,
that's the difficulty of it, the difficulty of being where
the Bengals are right now. We always talk about teams
that can control or can't control their own destiny. You know,
on one level, Yeah, they can, because nobody else is
guaranteed ten wins. They just they need a lot to
happen in their favor. Yeah, not much happened in their
favor yesterday. But the thing that has to happen most

(43:40):
in their favor is they start a run by winning
at home in a game their favor against Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
And you'll have an opportunity, at least with the Dolphins
Thursday night, sure to say, okay, let's go Packers and
then maybe that door. Okay, so cause all you're gonna
do is try to cross different teams off. Sure, all right,
let's get the Dolphins back to the same level. Let's
get to the Cults. Let's let's creep a game back
of Denver by the time they play heads up in Cincinnati.

(44:06):
Then you start to have those conversations and let's let's
be honest. We've seen Indy, we've seen Denver, and we've
seen the Dolphins with bad losses as well.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Sure, so they could also suffer us. These teams are
where they are correct.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
So it's not like they're guaranteed shoe wins. But this conversation,
to me, well, it's what happens when you have a
bye week and you try to sit on a bunch
of different ideas. It's so frustrating the fact that this
team still not beat a team and with a five
hundred record, and until they do, this is I mean,
this is about as much coach speak as you can get.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, there's no getting around that. But I mean I
said we were gonna do this last Monday. Yeah, you know,
and we are. And it's I think it's it's because
the two things. Number One, we understand the volatility of
the NFL. Number Two, this team does have a quarterback
who's having a great year. Like you, you can still
at least entertain the possibility of this team making a

(45:03):
run and at least making those last few games matter
if Joe Burrow's spectacular play continues.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
It's the thing like, if they make a run and
make it and you're getting ready to play the Bengals
in the first round as an opposing famous, you're saying,
here comes the end of the NFL, sack leader, triple
Crown leader, and A're gonna be the best quarterback in
the league.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
You know we've done this before. If if you're any
of the teams at the top of the AFC and
you have to play the Bengals in your buildings, say
what you want about the way the Bengals have played
in Kansas City. The last three times they've played, they've
been on the cusp of winning every single one of them.
The Bengals playoff history against Buffalo is not in Buffalo's favor.

(45:41):
I don't think Baltimore is going to win the division,
But if they did, do you really want to play
the Bengals, a team that has scored seventy two points
on you twice? Do you want to play them? Frankly,
if you're Pittsburgh, you've got offensive limitations. If our defense
doesn't do what it needs to do, do we want
to try to match scores with Joe Burrow? I mean, like,
that's the fun and also frustrating part of this right

(46:02):
that there are there's every reason to think that if
they got to the postseason, they would be a tough out.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
It's just it's it's such a frustrating part the difficulty.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
In getting there twenty minutes after a four o'clock. Now,
could the key to a turnaround be ping pong? You
got you gotta think it plays a big role. Well,
we'll get into that when we come back. You'll hear
Zach Taylor. Oh, and we'll listen to Evan McPherson as well.
Coming up. Plus, we're gonna hear from Joe Mixon. Joe
Mixon's big man.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Yeah, big made name for him yesterday.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
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Speaker 6 (47:11):
Playoffs for the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Still, the Bengals are bringing back ping pong tables back
to the locker room. Well, this key elite season surge
and a ten win finish my.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Red shirt year at the University of Cincinnati, I was
the ping pong champion of Camp high Ground.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Really and is that an official thing? Yes, you got
a hardware trophy? No? Okay, would you get for that?

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Played in the finals against Mark D'Antonio in front of
the room. Really cannot tell you how much it propelled
my career. So yes, is that why he never played you?

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (47:40):
He was so mad, he was like, screw you. And
then we never had ping pong tournaments under Brian Kelly. Really,
but uh, yeah, I think the ping pong tables, you know,
you left something out. Ping pong paired with a night
of team bonding they got in La because night before
that's right.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
So yes.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Uh do you have any issue with Ryan Day running
up the score against Indiana? No?

Speaker 5 (48:03):
I think it's soft from Indiana fans who say otherwise.
What I think was the issue I would have is
Signetti punning in Ohio State territory down three scores, right,
that was embarrassing. On the other side of it, it
was a sixteen point game. Technically that's two scores and
crazier things have happened in football.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
I said this to Austin during since he three to
sixty or I'm sorry, Monday midday quarterbacks. I think he
was surprised in my answer. A coach's job is to
worry about his or her team, not the other coaches team. Yep.
Ryan Day's job is to worry, whether you like him
or not, whether you like Ohio State or not. Ryan
Day's job is to worry about the Buckeyes. Yes, not

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the Hoosiers. That's Kirk Signetti's job. Let him worry about them.
So whenever I hear he ran up the score, it's
not the coaches job to worry.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
About the feelings of the other team, especially when the
message from Ohio State and the coach all week was
finish fish.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
That's finishing agreed.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
I mean it happens all over the game. Yes, it's
a two score game. It's not a fifty five point game.
It was a two score game.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Final one. This is not a football question, Okay, but
you asked it. Well, this year Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout
be played between two teams that are unbeaten. Yes, I
stopped that pole question tonight about ten o'clock because if
Xavier loses, I don't feel like dealing with it. But
right right now, it's close to fifty to fifty.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Yeah, I think so's so Xavier's path is harder to
being undefeated at the shootout. Yeah, at TCU three high
major teams South Carolina than the winner of Michigan Virginia Tech.
If they win tonight TC's roagame, and if they if
they win those three, they're top fifteen by the shootout.
Should be if you see wins until the shootout, top

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fifteen easy. Maybe top ten at fifth Third Arena.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Could be fun. Should be fun, be funny the way
beat at a little bit more too. The game would
be fun if you're sitting courtside up in the rafters,
both in the top fifteen would be cool. Yeah, all right,
Zach Taylor is coming up next, and we have hot
fudge Sundays coming. Oh my goodness, will you let your
kids see you eating a hot fudge Sunday.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
No, that's why my computer's out.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
If I yell at Wilder and Wesley and say, hey, no,
Dad's about to put back a hot fudge Sunday.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Do you see so you see where they're at back there.
Uh huh, my computer, it's perfectly here. I've mastered this.
Like I indulge in ice cream. I like ice cream,
me too. I've indulged in placing a pillow in a
perfect spot right there in front of me. Uh huh,
to just house a quick bowl of ice cream. I'll
do the same today.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
I'll tell you something. As the father of a seven
and a half year old, those tricks have a very
short shelf.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
For you, say seven a half. Could you guys just
celebrate a half birthday last Monday?

Speaker 4 (50:45):
I love it. I left here, I picked up half
a cake for seven and a half birthday. Man.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
So you're saying it just gets easier, It just gets easy.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Yeah. Twenty nine away from five o'clock, Zach Taylor next
to football show at twin Peaks on ESPN fifteen thirty,
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
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You'll hear that game after a double dip of Mark
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College basketball, the latest AP and AP Top twenty five
and Coaches Poll both have the Bearcats and Musketeers in
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both can tell y eighth and both Indiana fourteenth AP

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fifteenth in the Coaches Poll. Musketeers play tonight against South Carolina.
That game is tipping off right around eight thirty. And
Fort Myers, you'll hear it live on seven hundred WLW.
Miami beats Santa today in Fort Myers. They're playing in
the same event, but different tournaments, Miami and Xavier. The
Dayton Flyers play North Carolina in the Maui Invitational. That

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game will tip off right around eleven thirty Zach Taylor
talked just a short while ago. Here's his Monday afternoon
press conference on ESPN fifteenth.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
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Speaker 10 (52:54):
Prags. All right, sir, and update we'll get we'll give them.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Sorry I thought it was read them, thanks sac.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (53:19):
Can we start out with a post by the injury
to day that looked like Sheldon and.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Sam weren't out there.

Speaker 12 (53:25):
Yeah, Sam was personal for today. Shelton has a viral
illness right now. We'll keep working through that. But other
than that, I'll I'll hit the other injuries as we
get to Wednesday and see where guys stand. Then do
you expect to Orlando Brown to be able to We'll see.
We'll just get to Wednesday and we'll see where he's at.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
The guys. Can we get right for the p Yeah?

Speaker 12 (53:50):
Just grein energy in the locker room. You know it's
it's December football now and need everyone to be at
their best, need everyone to have energy when they walk
in the building. That creates some competitiveness.

Speaker 10 (53:59):
It's about all.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
There is to it.

Speaker 10 (54:01):
What did y'all make that decision that was going to
be a big something I've talked about for a couple
of weeks now.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
When they when they would come back and players.

Speaker 10 (54:10):
I wouldn't say it was much of a reaction.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
They're free to good. There's still a bunch of guys
in there right now.

Speaker 12 (54:16):
Is exactly Yeah, I think it is. I just want
guys interact and and you know, so that's the one
way to do it. I'm not overthinking it too much,
but it is a way to create some energy and
and uh, get guys up and active.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
What was your message to the team as everybody to
have a chance to get away and get back with
what a great opportunity for us?

Speaker 12 (54:39):
I mean at home against Pittsburgh in a divisional game. Uh,
no better way to get our season back on track
right now than to have our best week, you know.
And so uh, you know, I thought the energy was
tremendous when we played the Raiders here recently from the crowd.
I expect the same when we're playing Pittsburgh. Players will
certainly match that energy as well, and so just just
phenomenal opportunity. This is the December football. This is where
it means something. Regardless of what our record is right now,

(55:01):
you need to play your best football in December, and
now more than ever, we're going to need that from
our guys, and they understand that, they subscribe to it,
and we just keep more moving forward from here.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Out of mindset thing with the December football, or I
mean because the weather turns, it's a little bit different
kind of approach that way as well.

Speaker 10 (55:18):
You get a little bit more of that.

Speaker 12 (55:20):
But I again, just every season we've ever had, you
got to play your best if you want to do
all your postseason aspirations and hit the ground running if
you if you make the postseason, you've got to be
playing your best football in December. And whether our record
is four and seven or something significantly better, we're going
to need everybody to be at their best right now.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
We wants kind of how what's going to do.

Speaker 12 (55:41):
Is to touch down you know, subs Gotta I think
you know you look at the second half of the
game last week. That's how we want to play football.
Getting stops, a ton of energy, a lot of different
guys making plays over the course of the half there,
and so we just got to keep that momentum going
and capitalize on that and minimize the explosives. Certainly, I
think that's that's pretty key if you look at the
first in that game and so continue to play good

(56:02):
football and again just just minimize as explosive plays.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
How much of them trying to find life when the
who should be the can spots that secondaries maybe played
a role in why it hasn't.

Speaker 10 (56:12):
Been statisteny, that's that's part of it.

Speaker 12 (56:14):
I think a lot of teams go through that, you know,
due to injuries or whatever it is, you hit this
point of the year, and it's always guys that are
maybe more in a reserve role at one point in
the season that are having to step up. And so
that's certainly no excuse for anything that's happened in our
season so far, because we're one of thirty two teams
has got to deal with that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Having that meet off.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
To sit back and evaluate everything throughout first eleven weeks,
I believe it has said that you know, you guys
can go through every position and look at everything is
or anything that you notice.

Speaker 12 (56:46):
Through yourself done I think it's stuff that we look
at every single week. So there's nothing that just well, wow,
that catches your attention, because I think at this day
and age, you know, we've got to access so much
information as this season goes, and we make sure we
combed through that. You know, we had a longer week
with a Thursday game, and so again we're just trying

(57:07):
to put our team in the best position to go
out there and play good football in December, and that
starts this week in Pittsburgh, and our guys are excited
about it.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
What about Joshton tells you that the situation isn't.

Speaker 10 (57:17):
Too big for him as work.

Speaker 12 (57:18):
He's had a great mindset, you know, he'said tremendous energy,
very focused, very mature for young player, and turns how
he conduct him stff on the field and his how
much it means to him. And so again I was
I was pleased with some of the things that he's done,
you know, just his mentality as he's gone out there
and practiced even today. Impressive young man and we're gonna
count on him going forward.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
A couple of the guys we're talking about you want
good on good and practice today. Is that a standard
post by script or is that something that was kind of.

Speaker 12 (57:45):
A new you know, it was just seven on seven,
so it wasn't eleven on eleven or anything like that,
so I wouldn't read too much into it. Sometimes it's
the most efficient way just to get the reps in
and get you know, kind of the ones more reps,
and so to go good on good was a way
to do that. I think every single buy has come
at different points in the season, and so that the
schedule is always tweaked a little bit. I'm always looking

(58:07):
back at that as we go into a bye week
to make sure I'm not overlooking anything. But it comes
at different points of the season, different stages of your season,
and and so we always just react accordingly to what
the team needs.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
Now advis always good physically, was this one helpful emotionally?

Speaker 4 (58:21):
I think so.

Speaker 12 (58:22):
I think it's good just to sit back and watch
other teams play and kind of kind of see what
everybody else goes through, and the ebbs and flows of games,
whether it be college or pro is really good to
just be able to reflect on and see, and it
gives your perspective going into December football. But again, it
is good I think physically for the guys to to
take some pressure off their bodies. Mentally just to refocus

(58:44):
yourself and get geared up for this last six game
stretch going into the playoffs. And so again, I think
it was it came a right time for our.

Speaker 10 (58:51):
Team, specifically to you, as you had to watch other
teams go through.

Speaker 12 (58:55):
The nothing particularly. Yeah, I think it's just good Situationally,
you're always trying to predict what somebody will do or
make decisions for yourself, and so it's good when the
when the pressure is not on you to be able
to sit back and and see what other people are
going to do. It's it's always fun to do.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Watching that.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
It's for fleeting game on uh Thursday night. Was that
something where you know, after that game you tell the
team just about how crucial the stretches and how these
division games.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Are always just such a hard part.

Speaker 12 (59:24):
I think that's pretty well understood amongst our team. You
know that these divisional games are. They're big for a
lot of reasons. They're always physical. It always comes down
the turnover, battle field position, capitalizing in the red zone.
You say that every week, but in this division it
always you always look back at those factors and it
can usually tell you who want to lost the game.
It's a good football game Thursday night, you know, it's

(59:45):
and of course we've watched the tape in depth now
because that's that's one of our next opponents and uh,
some of them sorry to see.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
You know.

Speaker 12 (59:51):
You watch the en zone tape at the end of
that game, and it's fun football to watch. I think
it's it's it's fun for people to watch. And you know,
you never know, you get caught in one of those games.
We had one in Buffalo that wasn't quite as bad
as as what they had to deal with the other day.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
But you never know.

Speaker 12 (01:00:06):
Man, in the AFC North, anything can happen, and you
gotta be ready for for all types of weather. I
wouldn't say that I have a bye week routine. I
think I'm just like I just mentioned a minute ago.
Every week's a little bit different.

Speaker 10 (01:00:21):
Every year.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
You've maintained your confidence in his ability around your struggles.
You watch closer in practice this.

Speaker 12 (01:00:28):
Week and help meet I mean to watch closer. You
watch every week, you know, and I stay in the
same spot we all do, and it's something he'll he'll
continue to work through. I got a ton of confidence
in Evan and and so excited to watch him move forward.

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
Evan was saying to us all the way that he obviously,
like a lot of the guys got away, was off
the good for a period of time, given where he
left it off going into the by is that kind
of maybe what.

Speaker 10 (01:00:57):
You would have prescribed for him as good for everybody
you know?

Speaker 12 (01:01:00):
And and again, Evan works as hard as anybody we
got on the team at his craft, and he's specific
and diligent with with what he wants to get done,
working hand in hid with Darren and the other specialists.
And I got a lot of trust in him that
he understands his process and and trust him and Darren
to work through that.

Speaker 11 (01:01:20):
That try. Hen Drewson is calling the person he's learned
the most from by just watching the way he plays
about is what's unique about.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Trey's off the field, the way he gets himself to.

Speaker 9 (01:01:33):
Be at the level that he's at.

Speaker 12 (01:01:35):
He's got a he's got a routine in place that
he does not deviate from. I think everybody can see it.
He doesn't make a big deal about it, It's just
what he does. You always know when to find him
and where you know, throughout the entire year, all twelve months,
really to be honest with you, and and so again
he does it the right way. So it's not shocking
when Trey goes out and performs like he does because
he's got a routine that works for him and and

(01:01:56):
it helps get him to to where he's at. Everyone's
got to their own routines. Not everybody has to do
what Trey Henderson does. That's what works for him. But
it is important for guys like Josh Newton, these rookies
to see, you know, you're if if you've got a
routine in place and you know what to expect from
yourself every Monday and Tuesday and win and so on,
it gives you your best chance to survive and thrive

(01:02:17):
in this league. And so I think it's good at
someone like Josh notices Trey Henderson. He's one I would
point to that has that standing routine that he follows
and has gotten him to where he is. And it's
important for those guys establish their own routines.

Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
Is he up there with some of the guys like I.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Mean, you guys talk about vonn and he's just some meticulous.

Speaker 11 (01:02:35):
Is Trey up there some of the guys and the
coaches that like their consistency is like just completely stands out.

Speaker 10 (01:02:42):
Yeah, And I don't see.

Speaker 12 (01:02:44):
Again, I don't see everything that goes into that, but
I he's arguably there at the top with all the
great ones you've been around in terms of their work
on their own because everybody's in the meeting, everybody's at
practice doing that kind of stuff. But the work that
Trey puts in on his own time, you know, it's
up there with everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
This has been the Zach Taylor Press Conference on the
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Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Hey, there you goes Zach Taylor in the weekly Monday
press conference setting Bengals and Steelers on Sunday afternoon. That
game is on ESPN fifteen thirty and we'll kick off
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Peaks in Westchester. We have only scratched the surface. We
have a lot of ground to cover. We haven't heard
from Edan McPherson now yet. We haven't heard from Joe

(01:03:33):
Minxing yet now yet. We'll hear from both coming up
in the next hour and spend much more time on
the Bengals. As we've already done the UC football segment,
we don't need to revisit a Dewey.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
No, I think we're in a good past right now. Mentally,
we're in a good spot. I would assume a lot
of our co workers will start rolling in here in
the next couple of minutes for the third and final.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Hour any second now, Yeah, I think we've got a
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Was really exciting Week twelve. With one more game to

(01:04:49):
go tonight, we have to talk about the AFC North.
We spent some time on the Steelers. I guess we
could focus in a little bit on the Browns and
Ravens plays tonight, trying to bounce back after their loss
to Pittsburgh last week.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
Are you now that we're going an hour three, are
you gonna, like, for your Twitter handle and everything, you're
going to cross out the M and just be oh
this wee. Well, that's right, because that's what this week is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
You're lucky. You don't have to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
Nope. I just wanted to make sure you remembered to
do it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Cross out mine?

Speaker 6 (01:05:15):
Yeah, I forgot put that on my to do list.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
Uh do you have to do that on all the
social media everything?

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Everything?

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
What if I like have to sign a docum? Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Just oh this week we go x everything.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
It's just gotta be oh, this is tough. Yeah, I know,
it's always a tough week for you with the game. Yeah,
big game on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
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Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
You want to hear Evan McPherson. Yes, I've not heard this,
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(01:09:09):
nice job. Shot out Corney covering nonsports. Yes, here's Evan
McPherson chatting with reporters today about his recent struggles.

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
My whole career, since I've started kicking, my miss has
always been right and for for these to be left,
you know, it's pretty interesting for me, and so I
feel like the bye week and then this week my
focus is just figuring that out and figuring out what
I'm doing wrong and trying to make corrections.

Speaker 11 (01:09:37):
None of us, none of us are kickers, So can
you walk us through, Like, when it's you're saying it's
going left, is weird for you?

Speaker 7 (01:09:45):
Like?

Speaker 11 (01:09:46):
What what are you breaking down as to why that's happening?

Speaker 8 (01:09:49):
Well, usually right footed kicker has a right miss normally
just because you're you're a little late, you're hitting it
with your leg a little bit, and you're not catching it.
I mean, you're not fully locked out, and so the
ball is just kind of weak and fast spinning off
to the right, but left you can kind of come
into play like your token wrap. You could pull a

(01:10:12):
little harder and just tug it a little bit, That's
what I say. So yeah, I mean I feel like
for righty uh, normal miss is right just from not
pulling through harder than you usually do. But maybe I'm
just over compensating and swimm a little too hard.

Speaker 10 (01:10:27):
What is a mental part of just been like, do
you have and do you do a mental recession?

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:10:32):
I mean mentally it's been just fine for me. I
haven't feel like I haven't felt negatively about this season.
I feel like I'm hitting the ball well, I'm just
not putting the ball where it needs to go, and
so mentally, I feel like, you know, I should just
continue doing what I'm doing, but just find those little

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things here and there that are gonna help me put
the ball through the upright. And I feel like it's
walking out there with a little more confidence in myself
and knowing that day and day out practice pre game,
you know, I do the same thing as I do
during the game, So just really understanding and not overthinking

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kind of what I'm doing.

Speaker 10 (01:11:13):
Do you think you're in a good mental place.

Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
Yeah, I think I'm in a fantastic mental place. I
think my wife and my daughter definitely help with that.
Just going home to her every day and she doesn't
care if I go zero for five in a game
or five for five and hit a game winner.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
That's Evan McPherson. Thanks for our friends at Fox nineteen.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
You know, I think it's certainly interesting to say. You know,
for my career, most of my misses are right. I've
missed left, So that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Talked about overcompensating persons.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
Yes, whatever it is, I hope it's fixed. It's cost
them multiple games this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Do you like we all want to see the Bengals
score touchdowns every time they get the football. Is it
helpful for all parties involved to see him get a
chance from distance early, probably after a drive that has
stalled again you want seven, But like they need the
kicking to be good, whether it's Evan McPherson or somebody else.
They need the kicking to be reliable, they need the

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kicking to be clutch, and they're gonna need the kicking
to come from distance. You're gonna play Pittsburgh on Sunday,
a team that has a guy in Chris Boswell who's
had a terrific season and has been money from deep,
Like it's gonna happen at some point for this team.
And not to say that if you make the first
well you're automatically gonna make the the rest of them,

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but for his mental well being, for the team's level
of confidence, and maybe to just know what you have right,
there's a part of me that does want to see
him get an attempt from deep early in the game
on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
I think you would have to because if it goes
the opposite, that changes the rest of the game. If
he gets a shot from forty eight or fifty early
in the game and he doesn't hit, then it completely
changes the way you coach and call plays the rest
of the game, as opposed to, well, you know, let's
say you have a fifty one yarder in the first
quarter and you go for it and you don't really

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know and the next thing you know late in the
game he's called upon and it's nowhere close, right.

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
I just you know it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
I've seen it personally from playing, and I've seen it
watching it. Kickers mentally are a fragile position, and you've
got to find you've got to find some sort of
confidence going forward, or you have to change how you
call plays completely in the opposite of what we used

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to talk about when he was hitting.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
It changed everything because if you get past midfield and
get web first down weapon, you get points. Now that changes,
and they've lost momentum so many times this year that
has affected them completely negatively.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Yeah. I mean go back to the Chargers game, and
this is just me as a fan. When he came
out there for that last attempt, I would have wagered
my house. He wasn't going to make it. Nobody would
take that wager, so I didn't lose my house. But
that's how little confidence I had in him. I can't
be the only one. And as much as I know

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his teammates are all going to say the right things
about him, and they should, I've got to think deep
down inside are a lot of those guys who are
no chance we make this. So are we going to
get the ball back and give ourselves another chance to
win the football game. That's that can't be who you
play with, it can't be how you play, it can't
be how you coach.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
And it would fracture, it would fracture things completely for
this team if he were to miss one or two
and they lose this weekend. Because you've already kind of
seen it, you know, the Jamar's answer, Joe's answer, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
Neither of the for my opinion, at least, neither of
those players are wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
No, absolutely not needs to make us cats. And again
you've got those two offensively playing out of their mind.
T Higgins you can throw into that bunch as well
when he's playing. It is from experience, there is nothing
worse offense for an offense then to feel like you're
doing good things and a kick gets missed. There is

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no bigger gut punch. Then you can suffer then completely
let in the air out of that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
And I could just tell you as a fan, that's
the worst. Now if he runs out there early in
the game and he misses whole different set of issues, yep, right, Yeah,
So I'd kind of like to know what I'm playing
with moving forward.

Speaker 6 (01:15:22):
Yeah, you have to have some idea.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
I'm not gonna, you know, get mad if they score
a bunch of touchdowns early. But yeah, there is a
part of me that wants to allow on nail one
from deeps right extra points just to get getting to
rhythm while we're listening to two people on other people's platforms.
This is from the Exhibition This All podcast hosted by
longtime NFL reporter Joe Sena Anderson, who I've met, very nice,

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very good at what she does. She does a podcast,
the Exhibition. Joe Mixon was on this podcast This Is
I Guess before his performance yesterday and the Texans loss
to the Tennessee Titans. Joe had some things to say
about his time in Cincinnati. Go ahead and hit that.

Speaker 10 (01:16:05):
What happened there?

Speaker 13 (01:16:06):
Like I don't I really don't give to Like I
really don't care about how they how they yeah, how
they utilize me. I mean when it comes down to it,
like the real the real ones in Cincinnati and the
real like the players, you know what I'm saying, The real.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Fans, they they know what it was like.

Speaker 13 (01:16:30):
It ain't no you know, it ain't no discrepancies what's
understand ain't got to be explained when it comes down
to it, you know it was. It was an unfortunate
situation to where things changed a little bit. And obviously
you know they had them fake guys, beat writers out there, reporters.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
You know what I'm saying. I don't care. I mean,
I ain't there no more, so call it what it is.

Speaker 9 (01:16:58):
So why do you call them fake?

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
What do you mean?

Speaker 13 (01:17:00):
I mean they come with all types of stories like
can't play this, this and that, you know, lost steps,
I can't.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
Do this and this and that.

Speaker 13 (01:17:09):
But when it comes down to it, like like I said,
my teammates know what it is. You know what I'm saying.
If you look at situation, I'm a messed up situation,
go look at the film. Turn the film on. I
mean there's many a times where you know what I'm saying,
we call some stuff and I mean it's obvious situation

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if y'all see all the time.

Speaker 9 (01:17:34):
Like and then what are you talking about, like the
way you're utilized?

Speaker 10 (01:17:38):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:17:39):
I mean when it comes down to it, like I'm
gonna do what the coach wants me to do, but
at the same time, I'm going to play the way
I play football. I mean, that's just what it is.
You're not going to turn me into a robot. You're
not going to turn me into you know what I'm saying,
a person that that's not what I do. You know

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what I'm saying. And one thing that I can appreciate
here is like they utilize my skill set, like I've
always been a threat in the passing game. And one
thing about here, they give me my screens, they give
me my choices, they give me, you know, flat routes
that I could take, They give me all types of

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combinations that they utilize me. And one thing that I've like,
I guess you could say over there in Cincinnati's that
wasn't the case.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
You know some of the time.

Speaker 13 (01:18:33):
Most of the time, you know what I'm saying, Like
you said, when it came to them championship games, like
I couldn't. I couldn't tell you why I wasn't out
there on the field, Like I said, that's a question
y'all got to ask for Zach Taylor, what do you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Think a lot of it? I feel like you're just
kind of talking in circles. I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
The stray to the beat writers was necessary. I thought
that was totally but ridiculous. I don't know that a
lot of the other stuff he was trying to implement
was wrong because he is past protecting. He is being
used in the passing game, he is being used in
the screen game. Look, he is obviously sour about how

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things ended in Cincinnati. He also, what's understanding got to
be explained. That's a Lil Wayne lyric, that's not his
own stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
But is he going to get a cease and desist
from Little Wayne? Now? That's a good question. That's that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
That was my bigger question.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
When I heard that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
But I don't think he was I don't think any
of that is wrong, because I thought there were many
people who thought at times, why is he not in
there in this situation? Why is he in there in
that situation? And it was always, well, he can't pass protects,
He's not that type of back. The The odd thing
is there's this misconception this year where if you really
look the production of the two, what the Bengals have

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right now is just as productive, if not more than,
what Mixon is doing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:20:07):
Mixon has more yards, he's got more touches.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
He's averaging four point two yards of carry. Yeah, I
mean he's averaging nearly ten and they're receiving him and
he's averaging four point two yards again.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
But I think this is a situation where it probably
benefits the Texans to have Joe Mixon and Chase Brown
has been a good option for the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
So I think there's cast aside the beat Ryder slap here,
and we'll get to that in a second. I think
there's two different issues in regards to Joe Mixon's time
in Cincinnati. There is production. Based on the production and
their system, I understand why the Bengals moved on. I
was okay with the Bengals moving on, certainly when he
was making twelve million dollars a year. Yep, it didn't

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make any sense to pay that kind of money to
a guy who was getting fifteen carries a game and
whose production was okay. Right. Again, there's a lot of
different ways to measure a running back, but he was
coming off a season in twenty two, the year after
the year that came before him taking the pay cut,
he averaged less than four yards of carry, So I
could look at that and certainly make the case he

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wasn't worth paying twelve million dollars to. Then there's the
player who played last year. Again, he was fine, but
he wasn't great, wasn't explosive. There's what we have come
to understand for the most part about that position. And
so they moved on the production within the framework that
the Bengals were asking him to play. To me, necessitated
very good conversations about whether the Bengals should get younger

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at the position or more explosive. But there's also the
usage thing. And this is where I'm with him, because,
first of all, there were times in playoff games, including
the Super Bowl, where I wondered, like samaj p Ryan,
with the season, the championship hanging in the balance, running
at Aaron Donald or Joe Mixon, right, but you mentioned
like he is past protecting. All we were told was

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he can't do that here. He has been on the
field on third down in Houston. All we were told was, well,
you can't really do that here. And the Zach Moss
thing hasn't worked, which kind of amplifies I guess this
a little bit. I don't blame. First of all, I
understand he's sour grapes. He's a human being. Fine, I

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would say to Joe like, well, if you really wanted
to stay in Cincinnati, within the framework of what they
ash you to do, you should have been more productive.
But it is fair to question the framework that they
established and that dictated how they used Joe Mixon, if
that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
I also look at you know, opportunities and scheme, and
I don't want this to turn into a a Zach
Taylor conversation, but you and I have had the conversation
multiple times this year. Mo Zach Moss was very highly
regarded coming into Cincinnati by multiple teams, played extremely well
when giving starter role snaps when Jonathan Taylor was out

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last year. Genostone had seven interceptions last year, and we
were told that Joe Mixon's kind of not the guy
in the system with past blocking and whatnot. Joe Mixon's
had a phenomenal year. Geno Stones turned into a punkin
Zach Maull wasn't producing. There's a bigger There's a bigger
question here that goes into is the scheme in place
in Cincinnati matching the personnel in place. Sure, that's what

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I get out of the Joe Mixon frustration because in
the grand scheme of things. This year, Chase Brown is
averaging four point three yards per attempt mix it averages
four point two. The difference, Joe Mixon has been given
one hundred and eighty five carries, Chase Brown's been given
one hundred and forty explosive runs. Joe Mixon has doubled
Chase Brown in the explosive runs and also doubled it

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up and touchdowns. But what do the Bengals do in
the goal line? More times than not, they're spreading teams
out and utilizing Joe Burrow. That's more of a scheme
and system. But the sheer numbers yards per carry, which
is what I look at for running backs. Chase Brown
has given you more there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
And then there's also what he has done in Houston
is he has been given the football. If you take
away yesterday when they lose, in the previous five games,
he carried it minimum twenty times four times, twenty four,
more times, three times, twenty five or more time times.
If I have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and I'm
not in the fourth quarter just trying to salt the

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game away, I don't want any running back carrying in
twenty five times.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
Now, bad game for him yesterday not only carries, but
yes got called for a penalty on what would have
been a winning touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Yeah. So outside of that mix, it's been great.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
But you are salary standpoint, saving a heck of a
lot of money for a running back that has essentially
given you the same production from a yards per carry standpoint,
and you're not really worrying about how many times.

Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
You have to give it to him per game.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
Yeah. I also like, there's there's a part of me
that goes you know, Joe, the Bengals decided they were
done with you and traded you to a to a
team that right then chose to pay you, and from
a football perspective, seems to be perfect. They didn't send
you off to Siberia. They didn't say, well, we're not
you know, we're not treating think there.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
Was something more within the Bengals organization, like for him
to continue to be this man, Maybe because it's everyone
knows it's a business. Maybe if I could see if
there was something in the organization, I was like, oh,
we love you, we're gonna keep you, and then all
of a sudden you're shipped out but there's maybe there's
something there.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
There's also a part of me that says, there's a
lot of teams that said no to this guy. The
Bengals drafted. Somebody would have and maybe he would have
taken advantage, but there were a lot like he fell
to where he fell in the draft because of what
he did off the field. A Bengals granted with a
different head coach said that's fine, we're gonna give you
a shot. Now. To his credit, he took it there
phenomenal here, he took advantage of it. Was by every

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account of good teammate, was a productive player, was a
part of the franchise's turnaround. I think that should go
at least a little way. And then you know, there
was his off season going into twenty twenty three, which,
let's face it wasn't great. He was exonerated in a
criminal court, but the team hung with him, stayed with him.
I don't again, I can understand. You get cut by,

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you get fired, you get late. Whatever it is, are
there gonna be Is there gonna be some residual Benner? Yes,
that's that's human nature. And it's still fresh. The wound
is still open. This happened less than a year ago.
At the same time, you got sent to a pretty
damn good place, you got paid. And then the part
about the beat writers. You and I both devour Bengals coverage.

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We both know those people who cover the team. There
was nothing that I felt was unfair when you were
told is cover performance with Joe, people covered performance. The
performance was up for speculation. He got mad at some
folks because they were wondering, is he gonna get a
pay cut? Well, guess what, he got a pay cut.
He was. He got mad because some people wandered to
the Bengals going to move on. Well guess what they
moved on? Who reported anything unfairly?

Speaker 6 (01:26:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:26:40):
His the shot at the media completely unwarranted. He'll go
down for me as one of the best backs in
this team's history. I mean he finished is just a
couple of yards behind James brook for second overall. Ever
he finishes behind Corey Dillon. He did so he only
had ninety seven games played. James Brook one hundred and eighteen,
Corey Dillon one oh seven, fumbled six times. Very sure

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Brooks thirty one, Corey Dillon twenty sure handed solid people
around the city and the team seem to genuine. I mean,
we've talked about him before this year he wrapped his
arms around the city. No, we've talked about is a
part of Joe Mixon missing from a leadership standpoint, no doubt,
from a locker room standpoint.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
Notice, at times this team has felt tight inno situation. No,
there's an area where it's fair to wonder, correct, could
he have made a difference?

Speaker 6 (01:27:27):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Yeah? Again, I think some of where he's coming from
is really fair. Hey, look, I'm doing what I'm doing
in Houston, but I could have done in Cincinnati. They
just didn't use me. That's fair. At the same time,
the production wasn't great. Now, what I will say about
Joe Mixon is I did not want the Bengals to
draft him, and when they did, I said, Okay, it's
up to him to make me feel good about this,
and for the most part, for the most part, he did.

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He's also one of four players to throw a touchdown
pass for the Bengals in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
Would he, in one way or another, have altered how
this season has played out to this point?

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Maybe? And and that to me is the fair part
that that to me is whether it be from an
intangible leadership perspective or just used a different way, which
I'm not sure he would have been. I don't think
the Bengals would have kept Joe Mixon and said, hey man,
you're getting twenty five times. But sure, look, Zach Moss
has been not good and he's been hurt. Could could

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Joe Mixon have provided some help? Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
Seam has been tight at times, Yeah, pens in situations
that we've wondered like is there borrow head to like
change who he is to be the new leader?

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Right? Would that have taken some stress? All? Very fair?

Speaker 6 (01:28:35):
I Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
I mean and what does does it make up a
game to make up to like you don't know, because
it's not like I'm sitting back like, oh, Chase Brown
has won them games, Whereas I think you can look
at some of the games he's played in Houston and
say Mixon won that game, yes, and in that setting
this year yes.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
But again it's to.

Speaker 5 (01:28:53):
Me, this goes all the way back to scheme and
how they're utilizing the personnel and are they doing it
in the best way possible?

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
And I think that's a question that will be ongoing
with the Zach Taylor Company, just to put a.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Bow on it again. I just so as I hate
when people confusion. If you're looking at his raw production
from last season, I think you were looking at a
player who could be replaced. They unfortunately haven't replaced him.
I also think if you've watched him this season, you
are being fair if you wonder had the Bengals I

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don't want to say dramatically changed how they used him,
but changed how they used him situationally. Could they have
squeezed a little bit more out of them that they
are getting in Houston that we didn't get hear the
last couple of years. We are way late twenty seven
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Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
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Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
All right, well, I want to get this back on
time because we went way long. Good luck talking about
Edison Pearson and Joe Mixon.

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
We're at peaks there we are. It runs together for you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
Sometimes I struggle to keep them all.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Straight during the week, You're everywhere. You're you know, warring Manhattan,
You're in Atlanta over the region?

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Miss me?

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
I did you miss me in Manhattan? How dad? Beyond
the game itself, how was how was the Kansas State
slash Manhattan experience? Very interesting?

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
Team hotel experience? Really it looked like it was a
hotel that had been evacuated. Really, Yeah, no signage on
the front, undergoing a face left boxes everywhere throughout the hotel,
and it was like three floors and everything. You know,
It's kind of like the Iowa State setup where everything

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kind of face the middle, except in their middle was
just a giant pool that nobody really took advantage of it.
It's actually a cool town. It's a smaller town, but
if you get into right around campus, it's actually a
cool little area.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
I was in Atlanta with the basketball atl and the
atl hotel was a little bit nicer. Hmmm, no boxes.

Speaker 6 (01:31:21):
What's traveling with uh? With basketball?

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
Like compared to football, smaller traveling party. Yeah, uh, but
essentially the same.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
It was fun minus the beat down.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
I saw a better game than you did. I missed
I missed hanging out with you guys, But I I
saw a better.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
You would have enjoyed the uh you know the uh
the main lobby area of the hotel was really nice. Yeah,
they had cookies, they did they they did good.

Speaker 6 (01:31:51):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:31:51):
Random spotting of Kansas State fans throughout, But it's about it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
I'll say this, if you get a chance to go
to the Camis Pavilion Tech play, that's a nice place.

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
I will say with Kansas State. Awesome video boards. They've
got huge video boards in all four corners of the stadium,
and their sound system was probably second to Texas Tech. Really,
it was impressive. They did not which was appreciated. Their
mascots a little different. Willy, Yeah, he does this weird

(01:32:24):
KSU thing after they score. Couldn't quite get over what
I was watching. But a cool, cool college football environment.
I'd just like to win in some of those environments.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
Yeah. Look, just went on Saturday bowl game. Yeah, the
big bowl game environment. Unbelievable. I can't wait. I can't wait.
Finish seven and six tons of momentum.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
This is exactly what we talked about at five and two.
They could just squeak out one more sneak into a
bowl game quickly. Should Indiana be excluded from the playoff.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
No, had the SEC meltdown not happened?

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
Yes, yeah, because I don't think they were impressive at
all in how they lost. Agreed, Alabama's lost, oh Missus loss,
Texas A and M's loss all help Indiana. Mentally, someone's
gonna get an easy trait in the first round.

Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
A decent team playing that Indiana team will advance.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
Yeah, any other going into this will be the second
to last, right or third to last. This is like
rivalry week this week, then next week, and then the
ones on Sunday after the final week fourteen, after the
conference championship games. Do you have any other college football
playoff ranking, hot take, prediction, complaint, gripe, observation, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
You know, I saw Joe Daniman posted it and it's
worth a conversation. Do you look at how the structured
format is going forward? I like the twelve team, yes,
but giving the four conference winners the automatic buye, I
don't know how I feel about that. It's for the
highest ranked conference winners, but at of different conferences. Yeah,

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so it's like two highly ranked Big Ten teams can
be one, one and three.

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
Yeah, So what you're.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
Gonna have is right now, I saw projections that Arizona
State is twelve, Boise State is four. Yeah, so you'll
have Ohio State play Arizona State and then an all
likelihood of Boise team.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
Right, it's not apples to apples to me, But if
I have, If I have, let's just take it from
the Big ten. Let's say it were to be Oregon
Ohio State.

Speaker 6 (01:34:29):
Right, And I think those are the two best teams,
by the way, I.

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
Agree, and those are the best two teams. They should
be seated one too. And in basketball, we don't well
you didn't. We didn't win your conference tournaments. This team did.
See you can't be a one. We just we see
them one through sixty eight, or we rank them one
through sixty eight them and see them accordingly. I would
do that at the same in the College of Well playoffs. Yeah,
so I would have no problem taking a team that
didn't win its league but was the second best in

(01:34:54):
the country and my particular metrics. If I'm on the
committee making them a two seat.

Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
If A and M beats Texas this week, that SEC
conversation is a.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Mess, oh my goodness, which I'm rooting for ko I
want and I'm rooting for angry SEC fan who's going
to go out of the way to tell us, really.

Speaker 6 (01:35:10):
Well, three SEC laws should still get in.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Did you read the piece on Brian Kelly and the athletic.

Speaker 5 (01:35:16):
Yeah, BK man, And if you had the chance to
bring one back, would you bring back b K.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
Or Luke Fickle? I would bring back Luke Fickle really,
and I appreciate both. I think both should be remembered
fondly in their own way. But with Luke Fickle there
was just a little bit more substance.

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
Yeah, that'll be a good that'd be a good fifth
pole question. I might be tomorrows if you could bring
one back.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
In this big twelve, I would take I want to
say I would take.

Speaker 6 (01:35:52):
Either, but or Rick Benner and he brings Jesse with him.

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
I have always been among the more forgiving UC fans
when it comes to Brian Kelly, and I am certainly
among the more forgiving UC fans when it comes to
Luke Fickle. I think the question is which fan base
right now would give you their coach quicker, LSU or Wisconsin.

Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
You might be able to find a scenario where BK's
OC and Luke Fickle's your DC next.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
Year, because I'm not sure in either situation, the fans
are enamored with you.

Speaker 5 (01:36:24):
Remember Scott's Sudderfield saves his job by naming BK the
offensive coordinator.

Speaker 6 (01:36:29):
In Luke Fickle the.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
DC, I could see Brian Kelly taking orders from Scott's.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
I would love to just see what happens to Brian
Kelly's accent if he comes back here.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
I don't know which fan base is least.

Speaker 6 (01:36:40):
I couldn't even imagine BK or coach Fickle.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
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Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
It's fourteen minutes away from six ESPN fifteen thirty Tomo
Football Show. We have a double tip of Kentucky football
coaches shows, The Mark Stoop Show at six the Mark
Pope Show at seven o'clock.

Speaker 6 (01:37:25):
Mark Pope era has gotten off to a good start.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
They're fun to watch, man, Yep, they're fun to watch.
And my guy Kobe Bray is a big reason why
he's crushing it. Former Dayton Flyer. And then we have
a Monday Night football Tonight, Ravens versus Chargers. Can Baltimore
catch Pittsburgh in the Division Sofi Stadium? Yeah? On back
to again, back to back prime time games.

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
I think so because I think when all said and done,
I still think Baltimore is a better team, and I
think Pittsburgh has some more losses coming down the stretch.

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
But including Sunday, Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
Absolutely, including Sunday when they're a dog here in Cincinnati.
I do think it's at least interesting to see a
bad defense in the secondary. What do they look like
without Rokwan Smith in the middle against a Chargers team
that's going to try to pound the ball? I don't

(01:38:17):
I don't think that Baltimore has trouble moving the ball
and scoring. I I do worry about their defense in
this game. Did you also know that brothers will be
coaching against each other, the Jim and John Harballs, not
twins or anything, but they're there are related their brother.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
To any chance they're dead coached football. Who's got it
better than them? Really? Not many? Uh, it was anything
less surprising than how the Chiefs won yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
Nothing about that was surprising to me. There were some
really good football games on yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:38:54):
It was awesome yesterday. It was awesome that early slate between.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
Chicago Minnesota, the crazy of the Dallas Washington game, yep,
where both teams just took their turns giving it away.
I never felt like Kansas City was gonna lose because
I fed Mahomes is gonna get the ball last. They'll
kick a field goal even without Bucker. But yeah, the
the early window yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:39:15):
Hayli Williams took the worst sack I think I've ever seen, yep,
in overtime, the the Baker Mayfield Tommy DeVito celebration. How
about the Giants, man, One, you sit back last night
and you watch Saquon Barkley again. Two, you have rookies
calling the whole roster and coaching that essentially soft Malik

(01:39:36):
Neighbors sounding off. Not a good environment with the Giants
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
No, And the thing is like the Saquon Barkley played
out publicly because they were in the off season hard knocks. Yep,
Barkley's really good. He's awesome. Has Saquon Barkley and Derrick
Henry have they changed how we should talk about the
value of not running backs but the best running backs?

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
Yeah, but I think like at the beginning, Henry's older, Yeah,
and Barkley's head injury concerned seemingly every year. True, this
is this is the healthy Saquon Barkley around a competent offense.
The Giants should be at fault for never building an
offense around Barkley that is competent. And I do think
Derek Henry is that perfect. I don't know if Derek

(01:40:19):
Henry is this dominant on other rosters. It's a lot
about playing anywhere else around Lamar Jackson. Should the Niners
be in big panic mode?

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:40:32):
Five?

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
And so's hurt. Brandon Allen looked.

Speaker 6 (01:40:37):
Like Brandon, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
I mean the part of it is how non competitive
they were, right, and you said it before. I think
Green Bay is the best team that nobody talks about,
the third in the NFC North.

Speaker 6 (01:40:50):
Right, But yeah, how crazy is that division?

Speaker 5 (01:40:53):
Like the Lions, You're like, all right, ten wins, rolling
one game, one game on the Vikings yeah. I mean,
it's just that is in same and I do think
to highlight we talked about what McDonald's doing in Seattle
at a good Arizona. Arizona's been playing well offensively, Kobe
channeled his Marshall, but Seahawks are very quiet six and five.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
Started h three and so the the wins are kind
of front loaded against bad teams. Yeah sure, yeah. So
the Giants move on from Daniel Jones, right? I wish
I hit the Cowboys. Have the Raiders signed him yet?
Although he wants to go to a playoffs? What about
the Vikings play Sam Donald? Mhm, does he fit anywhere?

(01:41:40):
I don't think so. I don't know what team he
fits as a starting quarterback?

Speaker 6 (01:41:43):
Yeah no.

Speaker 5 (01:41:46):
Side note, Uh huh. What a fleece of a deal.
That guy got all that money guaranteed and now just good?

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
Would you would you would you give him your team?
I mean, would you say, Daniel?

Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
I mean, if you're like, is there a contending team
right now that he would make better than what the
quarterback they already have? In Like, as a Viking fan,
do you trust Sam Donald Fooley over Daniel Jones?

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
Tearing you're a Viking Fanny one, Sam Donald or Daniel Jones.

Speaker 6 (01:42:13):
Sam Donald, Sam Donald played well, he did.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
I mean he's cooled off from what he was early
in the season. But yeah, so contending team that doesn't
necessarily mean a team that occupies a playoff spot right now,
Off off the top of my head, I.

Speaker 5 (01:42:30):
Really wish the Cowboys would sign him and let him
start Thursday against the Giants.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
Would be awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:42:35):
What do you have to lose?

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
Like you to pay him anything? Would take a game
that is wholly uninteresting and make an interesting, yes. And
then if you're the Bengals, you would play against Daniel Jones.
Didn't this? They did this last year? Did they play
Josh Dobbs twice last year?

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
Would you?

Speaker 5 (01:42:50):
But would you feel more confident playing against the Cowboys
and Daniel Jones or Cooper Rush?

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
I'd rather play if i'd them. If I'm the Giants,
want to play Cooper Rush. I want to play the
guy that knows all my stuff. Yep. But but like
if I'm looking, okay, follow but he's not gonna play
in the AFC Kansas.

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
City, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Houston, Los Angeles, Baltimore, no, Denver, no Miami,
no Indy.

Speaker 6 (01:43:19):
Maybe maybe maybe Jets.

Speaker 5 (01:43:23):
Yeah, I mean I Detroit, no Philly, no Seattle, no Atlanta, no,
no Minnesota. I ushould go to Minnesota and take Darnold's job.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
I wanted to go to Dallas and play against the
Johnny too, because then the game on is that the
first game Sunday, Thursday. I'm sorry Thursday at the first game.
Please give us that. Miami Green Bay is the first one.
It's a second game, second game, give me that. So
the middle game on Thursday, right when I'm eating my
sister in laws, Yeah, I'm like, hey, let's watch Giants Cowboys.
Suddenly there's a storyline yep, other than just a three

(01:43:55):
point spread. Bears Lions, which is an interesting game, is
the first one? Yeah, all right. We're at our co
workers today. Yeah, I want to thank all of our
teammates are co workers who showed up. iHeartMedia. The bye
week is when we want to and we don't have
time to thank them all.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
No, but so many of us so blessed that outside
of Bobby. Yeah, Bobby's got a winner.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Bobby's got a winner giving away a gift card with
announce it now, Tarry, we have time to announce a winner.
Of a gift card. We have to go.

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
We can announce it after we end here.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
Yeah, we can announce it for the people here.

Speaker 6 (01:44:23):
Yeah, hoppy, Thanksgiving, everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
Happy Thanksgiving. Tony's back for since he three to sixty
Tomorrow at noon. I will be broadcasting from a different
establishment tomorrow at three oh five, and uh, we're done.
Thanks to Mike Mills for producing on the holidays. Thanks
to Run Bland for producing Back and Ken would have
a great late half birthday, Crosley. Thanks to the staff

(01:44:46):
here at Twin Peaks in Westchester. Back and Forence next week. Yeah,
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