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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Very busy time at the University of Cincinnati. Obviously, the
shine as I'm sure not worn off from the victory
on Saturday of the men's basketball team in the Skyline
Chili Crosstown Shootout, and then on Sunday of Katrina Meriweather's
women's basketball team and the women's Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout,
so consecutive wins for U.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
See.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It was announced this week that the football team is
going to open up the season with a game in
Kansas City against Nebraska, which we knew those two schools.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Were going to play.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The venue change obviously noteworthy, and they've set the date
for the game, which is going to be on the
Thursday the college football season starts, and so a lot
to talk about with the director of Athletics at the
University of Cincinnati, John Cunningham, is with us. I gotta
think the Monday after the Bearcats winning men's basketball and
women's basketball against your crosstown rival is a fun day
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at work.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I mean, it definitely is. It's always good to obviously
win that game.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's been hanging over our heads a little bit here
the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
There's a lot riding on the game. As we all.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Know, it means a lot, which is why it's so special.
Xavier's a great team. Both men and women's programs are
great programs.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
So to get the double.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Wins in a weekend, it is fun to walk into
the building on Monday and get celebrated.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
But what was your bar tab on Saturday night at
meos uh?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
A couple of hundred, A couple of hundreds, Yeah, but
it was well worth it. I didn't even you can
tell by my voice, I'm not. I'm not feeling that good.
So I didn't partake. But I've always wanted to do that,
you know. I think it's one of those things you
want to do, is just like throw the finger up
in there and say round for the round for the room.
And so I was able to do that at me
of Kenyon Martin right next to me and some other people.
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And then I said goodbye and left and went to
bed because I was exhausted and not feeling that way.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I understandable fans emphasize rivalry games. Alums emphasize rivalry games.
Alums from individual programs emphasize rivalry games. It's it's there's
no getting around the fact that those games are a
bigger deal when you're interviewing coaches or evaluating your coaches,
do you emphasize them a little bit more than the others.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't think I emphasize when I evaluate coaches, but
I do want to hear coaches talk about rivalry games,
and I like how West and Katrina have both just
said these are important. These are important to our program
and to our growth.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
But at the end of the day, the ultimate goals.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Makes the NCAA tournament and compete for championships in the
Big twelve in national champianship. That's that's the type of
program that we want to have. We want to make
the NCAA tournament every year and then and then you know,
kind of see how the chips follow up to make
that tournament.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
But certainly it's a great game.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It makes a lot of fun and it's something you
do mark on your every year you know it's coming up,
and it had a different feel as if third when
you play those games.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, there's there's no question about that.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
John Cunningham, the director of athletics at the University of Cincinnati,
is with us. We found out for sure yesterday that
Scott Sadderfield is going to take US team to Kansas
City open up the season against Nebraska. It's technically going
to be a UC home game. The Bearcats will be
considered the home team. This is a game that's been
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kind of nomadic. It's been moved to Indianapolis and now
the home of the Kansas City Chiefs. Can you walk
us through what led to this decision being made?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's part of the messiness of COVID and whether the
series was going to continue or not. And so we
had to work with actually two different ads that Nebraska
over quite a long period of time to get the
game scheduled, and it you know, we're going to go
to Indy Head. Kind of that that bookmark and started
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to move things that direction, and then literally got a
cold call from a group that was trying to move
a game to Arrowhead and wasn't really interested at first,
but we sort of said, you know, put the numbers
out there and see and the numbers were so much
more to go there and the possibility of several more million.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Dollars into our budget.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
In this day and age, it became a business decision.
You have to make some business decisions. I think people
were in my position, even in the most the most
fervent Bearcat fans would have made the same decision based
on the business elements of it. And so we did
end up moving at the Arrowhead. And it's going to
be a great environment. It's going to be on the
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Thursday of opening weekend. Nebraska is going to be a
really good team next year. So it's gonna be a
lot of fun, and you know, I am looking.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Forward to that.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Business decisions have been a part of college athletics for
a long time. In the era that we're in now
and in the ara that we're moving into, how much
more do you have to amplify making decisions based on
dollars and cents?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
It is different.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, you're gonna have me just you know, when
you think about this idea of a revenue share of
twenty million dollars that did not exist prior to next year.
So so that's the world that we're going to be
operating in now, which is a new, a new world
of revenue share. So you it's it's a bogie of
twenty million that you didn't have previously on your books,
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and so you're going to have.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
To be extremely.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know, extremely smart about your decisions. You're going to
have to really come up with unique ways to generate
more revenue. And fortunately for us, we moved into the
Big twelve and we get a full share of Big
twelve money going into next year, and that's going to
cover a vast majority of that that twenty million dollars
to make us as competitive as possible within the landscape
of college athletics. But you know, it's been a business
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for a while. It's more so now because you're going
to have this revenue share going down to your seedent athletes.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
At the highest level.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
The goal every year is to play seven home games
at Knippert Stadium, and you're going to do that in
twenty twenty five. Look, neutral site games at the beginning
of the season are not new to college football. We
have them every single year and oftentimes involving really high
profile matchups. Is there a desire to do this sort
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of thing more often with the football program and do
it in a way where obviously you're not taking a
game that already was in place of moving it, but
play in more large scale events like this against high
major opposition on a neutral site.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But potentially, and I should have mentioned it and thank
you for bringing up. We have seven home games in
Knippert next year, five big twelve home games, right, and
so we know we have a tremendous schedule. We have
the thirteenth ranked schedule in the country this past season,
and it's going to be a really highly ranked scheduled
next year. So you know, we don't move this game
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at all if we don't have seven home games, and
that's always going to be our goal. And then when
we did make this move to a neutral site, we
actually were able to get in Nebrasket a slide a
game in an out year, and we were able to
get another year that we had seven home games that
we weren't scheduled to have seven. So that's the ultimate goal.
I think in the next eight years or so, there's
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only one year where we have six, and we're working hard.
My guy John Daniels does all of our scheduling. He's
working hard to maneuver some things to get seven in
that year. So that's always going to be the goal,
to have seven home games in Kniffort. And then you know,
if there's a possibility to maybe take a game to
a neutral site and really get a big payday you've
got to look at it again. In this day and age,
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you're going to have to look at those types of things,
and they are fun games, and I think that.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Beginning that beginning weekend is always fun.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
We're going to play on Thursday, be the first first
game out of the gate and get a lot of.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Attention to you and I talked midway through the football season.
I believe the Bearcats were either four and two or
five and two, and I think we all felt great
about where the season may end up. And I don't
think anybody's very happy with with how the season ended
with the five and seven record. Scott Saderfield would certainly
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I think it acknowledge that. How would you evaluate You've
gotten some good news. Joe Royer at the shootout on
Saturday announced he's coming back, Brendan Soresby, Dante Corleone key
pieces I see the Athletics has coached Saderfield's team among
the winners so far in this portal cycle, which is
still hard for a lot of people to wrap their
brains around. I think you would be the first to
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admit the record and the performances need to be better
next season. So give me your evaluation of the program
with where things stand right.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Now, and you've got to win.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I mean, you've got to win close games, and I
think you got to start to make the plays that
matter in those close games to get those victories. That
I think we've felt that not only in football, I
think we've felt that across all of our sports in
the Big Twelve, which is, you know, we've gotten really
close at times and we're right there and we and
we don't make that key play that would have that
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would have won that game. And the other thing is
you got to win your home I think that was
the disappointing thing. And at the beginning of the year
we talked about really trying to protect an effort, and
we didn't do that down the stretch and had opportunities obviously,
you know, had you know, double the amount of first
downs and double the amount of the.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yard West Virginia lose that game. Right.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So there's just a few of those instances where you've
got to win those close games, especially in the Big Twelve.
Nobody in the Big Twelve got away with with less
than two offices, right, So it's one of those leagues
where it's really competitive and you got to make the
Kee plays.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
So now I evaluate it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I say, are there are there tracks in the program?
And what I'm seeing is that they are not right.
But the best players on this team come back announce
they're coming back. That's very unusual nowadays at your very
best players to not do not look at the portal,
but to come back and be on board. So behind
the scene, there's a lot of good things happening. We've
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done well in the portal so far. We'll keep keep
pushing on that. But I don't see any craft and
I expect it to be a lot better next year,
and I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
In in the in the portal era, if you had
if you were college footballer or just the tzar of
college sports, and you could design the calendar the way
you wanted as it relates to the portal and when
players could could enter, when they could leave, and when
they could join a program, how would you structure things.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
It's a tough question, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I there's been some some discussion of getting rid of
a spring portal, but I actually think that that for us,
we're okay because of a culture that we've created in
most of our sports, we haven't had a lot of
uh sudent athletes that that we didn't want to lead
leave and so for us, I think having a spring
portal period in football and having multiple portal periods in
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other sports is okay because we feel like we're going
to create a culture where people want to be at
the University of Cincinnati and then that allows us to
go fill some holes and be more of a buyer in.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
The portal than a cellar in the portal.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
So, you know, I don't think it's perfect right now,
but I'm okay with the fall portal period in the spring.
I do think you can shrink those portal periods. They
don't need to be as long. If kids want to go,
they've got to make a decision. You got to make
it kind of quickly, and I think that will help
them things. The other thing that's going to help the
portal long term is that these kids are signing contracts
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now that can be multi year contract so there's a
little bit of stickiness that we haven't had in the
past with this revenue share that was that we're all
working on right now to start next year.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
How's your volleyball code search going.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I just got out of a zoom call.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So we're hot and heavy on the volleyball search and
obviously great candidate. It's a lot of interest. People want
to be here. People want to be in the big
twelve and and be a part of what we're doing.
So it's gonna be We're gonna have to move quickly
and get one here soon.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You've you've got a lot on your place.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I didn't even ask you about the football facility, like
it's you got a lot on your plate.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
How's the facility going?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Awesome? It's gonna be open in June.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
We're doing tours around it now with with select people
and and I haven't been in there in probably a
month or so.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
But they say it just looks spectaculous. So we don't.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
We don't do things in a in a small way
here and it's gonna be big.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
It's gonna beautiful. And can't wait to have that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
It's it's something that really we we needed for a
long time.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
We need it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It's this past fall. We need it right now for
training purposes. We wish it was open, but we can't
wait for it to be open in June.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
What do I have to do to be one of
those people that gets a tour.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You're in, Yeah, just give us a call. John again.
I mentioned John Daniel twice. He's my builder boss.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, he walked around and did a great tours, so
he can do that anytime.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I've got his number and I know where his office is.
I appreciate you doing this because you do have a
lot going on. He answered all my questions and we'll
chat again soon.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Always good to talk to you.