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December 26, 2024 12 mins
Mo talks Bengals with Robert Weintraub from Cincinnati Magazine, on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yea, this is football in Thennetti wrote to you in
part by blood Light and by Skyline Shiley on the
official home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Twenty two minutes half for five o'clock. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty on Moegger broadcasting from Buffalo Wild Wings Harper's station.
We're typically at one of these on a Tuesday. What
we typically do on Thursdays, though, is we chat with
our guy. Robert Winstrops, Cincinnati Magazine writes a weekly Bengals column.
This week, he wrote it from the comfort of the

(00:33):
press box at the venue originally known as Paul Brown's Statum.
Go read it now at Cincinnati Magazine dot com.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hi, Robert, Hey, you know that was an outstanding game
to appear in person, as you say in the press box.
And Joe Burrow actually dedicated his diving touchdown pass to me,
which I thought was very nice as a gift for
coming up there and seeing the game. And you know,
another w in the books almost at five hundred, who would.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Have thought it?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's not as not as cool as a gift as
a Japanese sword, So could have done better.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
I told him, I already had one. You know, I
spent a lot of time in Asia.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
They were mostly Chinese, but you know, I said I'll
take the CD pass instead.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
It was well, you know, I'm glad. So they're still alive.
But now they have to beat a team that has
a winning record. Can they finally do that?

Speaker 4 (01:24):
They also have a quarterback who's halfway decent. I mean
the common denominator.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Of teams that the Bengals have beaten this year, not
just bad teams with losing.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Records, but with really poor quarterback play. I think Cooper
Rush is actually at the top of that list.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
And you know, he's not Peyton Manning. So they have
to prove they communem po.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Nicks is not exactly a great player. You know, he's
a rookie. He's had his ups and downs, like most rookies.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
He ranks near the bottom of the league in several
advanced stats. He's certainly had his moments and has played well.
And you know, it's one thing to consider is that
Denver is their roster have a lot of guys who
have not played in any big games.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
The Broncos have not been good for a while, and.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
They have a very young team full of players who
are also kind of stepping up for the first time
and playing a team obviously that has a lot of
veterans who have played in some very.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Big games, including the biggest game, so.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
That that's a potential advantage for Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
The key will be obviously making some hay, especially.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
On the ground against that Broncos defense, which is forced
by efficiency in our stats and the first run.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Defense number one in the league.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
They also lead the league in sacks, so you know,
players like Nick Bonito of had a fantastic year ken
the Bengals get enough yards to you know, have the
passing game do what it does and just it doesn't have.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
To dominate the game on the ground, but they.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Have to at least provide something that really they have
for the past six weeks since really since Chase Brown
has taken over as the wead dog back there, and
I think if they.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Do that, you know, the weather forecast not great. I
think there's.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
A call for rain and wind, which obviously will hurt
the passing. So the game might come down to which
team can really be most effective on the ground, and
the Broncos have been under fire in Denver a lot
for getting away from the run in their past few games,
and Sean Payton is certainly a pass first kind of guy.
So it'll probably come down to which team can be
most effective in their ground game. Can the Bengals find

(03:19):
any room against that really good Denver.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Run defense, and can the Bengals run defense, which just
not been very good, find a way to stop Denver
and force them to throw.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Let's talk about the first part of that equation, which
if you would have said to me early in the season,
the Bengals might have to lean on Chase Brown in
a game that they have to have, I guess I
would have been totally opposed, but I would have had
some skepticism. Now, if you're telling me the key is
Chase Brown signed me up, I'm not sure that over
the last six seven games you could have asked that

(03:50):
kid to do any more than he's done.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, he's been everything they really wanted him to be
when they drafted him, and considering where they drafted him,
he's looking like a bigger bargain every single week.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Know, we always compare them to Joe Mixon.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Of course, we've had this discussion all year, and it's
a natural point of conversation.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
He's well ahead of Mixing.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
In terms of advanced stats, you know, he's and it's
certainly when you factor in his yards through the air.
One thing that's been most impressive is that he's you know,
he took basically the first month of the season off,
and if you take out just his first two games.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
This goes for Jamar Chase too, who really didn't.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Do much in the first two weeks of the season,
and then you know, have exploded. And if you divide
their stats on a per game basis by thirteen instead
of fifteen, they.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Look even better.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
And Brown is up near about ninety yards per game
if you do that between scrimmage, yards running and receiving.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
And the Broncos this year.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Have had a real hard time covering wide receivers in
catching running backs rather than catching passes.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
They're thirtieth in the league. That leads even more importance
to Brown's game on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's not just what he does on the ground at
conventional handoff situations, but I think the Vengers are going
to look to throw him the ball and take advantag
the linebacker play, which is really the weak point of
the Denver backfield, and Yeah, Brown has really, you know,
he stepped forward and been just the kind of player
they need. He runs the inside zone much more effectively.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Than Mixon never did.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Here he fits what the Bengals try and do offensively,
and you know, you just hope going forward he.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Can maintain You never really know with running backs.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
They're really a year to year of proposition outside of
the great ways, So hopefully Chase will.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Be doing his thing for at least a couple more
years to come.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Robert Weintraub Weekly Bengals column at Cincinnati Magazine Read it
now at Cincinnati Magazine dot com has has the defensive.
The defensive performance of the last three weeks combined caused
you to recalibrate or reassess how you feel about some
of these guys on defense.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, I think a little bit.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
I mean, again, we talked about how the opposing quarterback
play has not exactly been lights out, so you have
to take that with a bit of a grain of salt.
But I think we're seeing some of the young players
Chris Jenkins and and Jordan Battle deep to mind for sure,
as being guys who now are being asked you know,
they're they're got their feet under them.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
They kind of know where they're where they're supposed to
be in the defense.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I think it's obviously even lou N Rumo said himself,
you know, he simplified things a lot, and you could ask, hey,
how come he didn't do that with a really young
defense at.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
The beginning of the season.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, he was sort of caught in between wanting
to do, you know, his usual standard with what the
the veterans knew how to do, and with a team
that was trying to transition to a bunch of young
players who just didn't comprehend that defense and its complexities.
I think that cost the Bengals early on and maybe
cost him a playoff for But you know, for the

(06:44):
moment we're looking around and at the defense, he's certainly
on Sunday, they were flying around making a lot of plays.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Guys like Joseph Osai and Miles Murphy who haven't really
done much all year.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
We're in the backfield consistently, and I think some of
that is due to the fact that Sam Hubbaru was
out and these young kids, and you know, just like
a player like bo Nicks, you know, these.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Guys have to learn by playing.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
They can't you know, develop on twelve to fifteen snaps
the game, and then you expect them when they have
to step in, let's say, for injury or just in general,
to make an impact unless they've been out there and
get a lot of play underneath them. And I think
they're you know, at the time of the season where
you're seeing that much more now and they're playing much
better now.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Is it too little, too late? Possibly, But at least
it does give you a little bit of hope.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
For next year that this year's defense was not a
complete waste and that you don't have to, you know,
swap out the entire roster defensively because of some of
the steps forward these guys have taken.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
This will be the Bengals final home game. Who on
the team should be playing the final home game?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
It's a good way to put it.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I mean, obviously we don't want to see t Higgins
playing in his final home game.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
I think we all want.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
To see Alex Kappa playing in his final home game,
you know, and I think that's a guarantee cover.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Many other guys. You can, you know, make a bit
of a case for either way.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think the Bengals would like to see Mike Caseki
come back at tight end.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
I think he adds something.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
To the offense and almost sort of a big slot role.
You know, he doesn't give you much from a blocking perspective, obviously,
but he seems to have.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Be in line with what the overall offense wants to
do and it's not Grady.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
So I think the Bengals would be interested in having
him back, and I would too.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Certainly.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
BJ Hill is a player that you know, you take
for granted, and he's not a.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Dominant player by any means.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
But if he does leave, which is certainly possible considering
how much money he might be offered in the offseason,
you know, you suddenly find yourself with another void, a
defensive tackle, and you say to yourself, boy, if only
we could have a player like BJ Hill in there.
So it's, you know, another guy who's tough to replace
with another draft take. Let's say, you know, it'd be

(08:57):
a case of maybe that draft pick eventually gets to
the point or he plays a lot as well as
Hill does, but it's gonna take a while, So I'd
be interested in seeing him back.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Obviously. Mike Hilton is a.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Case where he's done a lot in the Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Uniform, and it's arguable whether or not he'll be back.
He probably would want to go to Tennessee, where he's.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Had a lot of great games as a Bengal. But
you know, again, a valuable player who knows the defense,
knows the system, and makes a lot of slot day plays,
a lot of big plays, splash plays out of the
slot corner position. Again, not a perfect player, but a
guy who'll be tough to replace. And it really all
depends on whether or not they can, you know, allocate

(09:38):
the resources and sign a.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Bunch of guys back as well as get some new.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Players in here.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
And of course the big ticket item T Higgins. We'll
see how that plays out.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
But you know, other than Kappa and maybe a Jermaine Pratt,
I think he'll see that. You know, they will be
sniffing around and try and keep at least be in
the mix for a lot of these players who will
be free agency this after the season.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Knowing the league the way you do, do you believe
that both the Colts and Dolphins will lose a game?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I mean, here's how I think of it, is that
those teams, even with the level of opposition, that they have,
which is weak of course, in the next two games.
It's hard to see either one of those teams winning
with three games in a row, right, I mean, it's
just not the NFL in general.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Now you could have argued it's hard to see Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Winning five in a row, which they'll have to do,
but the Bengals are obviously much more talented, especially at
the quarterback position. In either of those teams, it'll be
a difficult ask. I thought the Colts most likely chance
to lose might have been this past week in Tennessee,
you know, funnily enough division opponent, and they almost blew
a big lead.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
And obviously, you know, the forty nine ers were a decent,
if not a.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Shadow of their former sales, but a team that.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
You would hope would have beaten Miami.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
But I still think it's possible.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
I hold out hope. That's what being a Bengal fan
is all about.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
As you know, hear unbridled optimism, even in the face.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Of long, long odds.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
And let's face that the most obvious Bengal thing in
the world to do would have all these things fall
into place and then lose to Pittsburgh anyway, and not
haven't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, no, I've prepared myself for that. I'm prepared for myself.
I mean, it happened. If you go back to two
thousand and six, you know, they had like a thousand
things that had to happen, all of them in they
blow a lead and lose them overtime to the Steelers
Bill Cowers last game. So there is at least to
a degree precedent. I'm waiting and almost anticipating that out come.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I'd like to think that in the holiday season we'd
see a little bit floor Rosie about the.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Cancers for our team to pull off a lite season miracle.
But you know, the years have beaten us down all
this time to where we don't expect the best, but
we hope. I still have my fingers crossed.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
And I think that, you know, if nothing else, Cincinnati
has a decent chance, if not better than fifty fifth.
Winning this weekend and making the last game of the
season means something. If not an actual playoff first, at
least they'll be playing for one on the final Sunday
of the regular season.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Let's hope. So awesome stuff. As always, man, thank you
very much, thank you, and have.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
A great new year. Guys, everybody out there, I appreciate
it most definitely.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
That's our guy. Robert Wintrum read his weekly Bengals column
at Cincinnati Magazine dot com. It is twenty six away
from six o'clock. We're late, but we're here at Buffalo
Wild Wingsay had about twenty minutes

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