January 3, 2025 • 10 mins
Shawn Syed of Sumer Sports and the Stats and Scheme podcast broke down the Bengals/Steelers, NFL coaches who don't know how to manage the clock, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We gotta chat with our guys, Sean sayat Stats and
Scheme podcastsumer sports dot com. Normally we chat with him
on Tuesdays, but again it's not Tuesday. We didn't have
a show on Tuesday. We're talking with him now on
x at Sayat Schemes Hi, Sean.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Mo, It's it's so good to be on you know.
It's not our usual day. It might be one of
our last two days.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm hoping that we get an extra one of things
fall in the Bengals favor.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
But of course, earth think it's going to be a
fun Saturday game against the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It is going to be a fun Saturday game and
one that me as a Bengals fan, I'm encouraged because
I'm if I'm going just by how the teams have
played recently, understanding the Bengals haven't played great opposition. Although
Denver's okay, Bengals going to this game with the head
of steam Pittsburgh not so much. I want to focus
on the Steelers because for a while there, you know,
(00:51):
five six weeks ago, a lot of us were talking
about them is maybe being the best team in the AFC.
Nobody is saying that now, what's happened to them.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You know, over the last three games they of course
play some rail playoff contenders between the Eagles, the Ravens,
and the Chiefs. I think that when you look at
them as a whole, you may usually say, oh, the
Steelers have such a strong defense. Of course, they're led
by a really good defensive line. Things actually had problems
in their secondary just between They are relatively simple and straightforward,
(01:20):
I think in terms of what they want to do
from a schematic perspective, and if you just don't have
all the parts holding up at the same time, or
if your pass rush is not always able to just
make things so much life easier on your secondary, then
problems sort of come up. So when we look at
some of the earlier games of the season that they
want to couse, you know, they did beat the Ravens
in that game where they were able to create a
bunch of turnovers and Russell Wilson is playing fine. I
(01:42):
think George Pickens' injury was a big bummer for their
offense overall. But I've actually been a little bit surprised
just their defense overall, I think hasn't been able to
do as use as maybe they would to vote.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
If I'm a Steelers fan, do I want Russell Wilson
to be the quarterback next year?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, I think when you look at it, they're not
going to be in a position to drive I have
to a high end quarterback. I can't imagine that they're
making a big trade. So it's an unfortunate reality, you know,
not everyone's blessed with Joe Burrow on their team. It
feels like you kind of have to continue with that
because when you look at the landscape of free agents,
do you want to like drop forty million dollars on
(02:17):
Sam Darnold. I'm not sure if that's what the Steelers
want to do. It feels like maybe in Minnesota is
able to keep him anyway. So I just don't think
there's a ton of options. And it's tough because you
then look at it and say, oh, well, maybe let's
take a flyer on a quarterback and the third or
fourth round. It's pretty rare that you're able to create
another Russell Wilson where you're drafted later in the draft
(02:38):
and you're able to be set a high level starter.
So it's just tough when you have quarterback progatory in
a little bit of way that the Steelers are in.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I'm going to ask you this understanding that his availability
for Saturday night is in question. Fill in the blank
for me, though, Chase Brown is a top what running
back in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
At least ten, It has to be at least and
I feel like every week I just continue to find
reasons to love Chase Brown.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I feel like that's my off ugh answer there.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Because the way that he is able to burst in
the run game, I think he's going to be able
to be consistent in the past game as well and
really a weapon for the Bengals offense.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Now all right, now I'm thinking about a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It's compend a little bit rich, probably, but I think
he has a high end trace to be someone that
is a staple in this offense. When you look at it,
of course you have Burrow, of course you have Chase
of course you're hoping to continue to have Higgins, even
if you have GASTICKI there who he's had a really
really positive year, and then Chase Brown. It's just like
a complete skill position unit. Obviously want to add in
the offensive line and make some changes on the defensive side.
(03:40):
So I just keep falling in love with Chase Brown
more and more as I feel like that's one of
the best parts about us talking about every week. It
feels like the Chase Brown time has just been awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I know the obvious answer is, well, look, they still
have Burrough, Chase and Higgins. But in the first game
against Pittsburgh, Cincinnati got one hundred yards from scrimmage from
Chase Brown. They scored thirty eight points. We've seen him
become such a factor. So what changes for them on
Saturday if he can't go.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
No, I do think that from a schematic perspective, you
don't change too much.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You have to kind of continue to try and threaten
with the run.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Noow, it might just either your backup running back is
not featured in the same.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Way ash Chase Brown.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Because at his head, I think Brown is so electric
in the open field.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He's able to make people miss.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He's able to be kind of an extension of the
running on the outside when they want to throw the
ball to him kind of quick. So I'll be interested
to see how much of just like pure Hey, we're
gonna line up and choptcun We're gonna go ahead and
ride out with this that the Bengals are going to do.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I think that Dale, they should be able to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Just thinking about I feel like my feeling overall in
those fielders defenses hasn't done the most positive.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, you know, I here's what I worry about on Saturday.
You know, if I go back to that first game
and you and I talked about it, Pittsburgh didn't exactly
like you know, roll out a bunch of exotic stuff
against the Bengals. It was basically leak a guy out
in the backfield, hit him and just see if he
can miss tackles. That was the biggest issue for the
Bengals in that game, the fourteen to sixteen miss tackles
(05:13):
they had. I feel like that's been cleaned up a
little bit. They ad mentally haven't gone up against great
offenses if they tackle, well, I'm not sure about what
the Pittsburgh offense right now should scare me.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I feel the same. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It feels like for the Bengals defense. We've talked about
it since the first time we.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Talked in Week one, where you had those issues.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Tackling against the Patriots, and I agree, in that last
game it really came down to the receiver heads the.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Ball in his hand. If someone had the ball in
their hands, they're in open space.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Are you, as a defensive backfield able to make a tackle.
And I do think that the Bengals have seeded up.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I mean I had points.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Maybe I just fee struggles here and there against the Broncos,
but yeah, against the Browns, against the Titans.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You see it at a higher level.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So you just hope that you're able to continue that
sort of trend, because that was how Pittsburgh was able
to create explosive play. As you mentioned, It wasn't like
we're drawing up some perfect play to have a safety
turning in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It was can you block? Can you tackle?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And unfortunately on that day, the Bengals couldn't tackle it
well enough. And I mean, you've scored so many points
in that game. It was so rare for Pittsburgh to
be able to put it that kind of offensive performance.
You hope it's really an outlier and then Westing to
shut that down.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Sean Saya is with us. The Stats and Scheme podcast
is a must listen, as is his column at Monday
Morning Mashup column at sumer sports dot com. You're a
smart guy. So for maybe twelve to fourteen years now, Sean,
I have been lobbying for the Bengals or even another
NFL team to hire me as the director of common sense. Now,
(06:46):
some teams have created this role, it's the game management guy,
but I've I've made a director of common sense, the
guy who understands when the use or not use a
time out, when we should spike the ball, when we
should throw the replay challenge flag or not. And yet
the Bengals haven't hired me. They could have used my
services on Saturday night, late in regulation when they left
(07:07):
too much time on the clock for Denver to score
the game tying touchdown. Why do NFL head coaches who work,
you know, twenty two and a half hours a day,
they sleep, They can't. They neglect their families because they've
got to be at work all the time. They have
no knowledge of world events because they're so in just
engrossed in football. Why do they routinely screw up the
(07:32):
basics of clock and game management?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yo, Mommy, it is tough, and it feels like maybe
if they played a little bit more Madden, you know,
you get those reds over and over. I will say
across the league, you see more game management people that
are involved in staff that like that is a position
that no, look, we might not be able to talk
anymore because you're right, you might get hired by the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
They can hired by some other teams to be able
to do that. So I'm like seeing that across the league.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I do think there are times where, yeah, like you're
under pressure or you know, it's those high string circumstances
where you're not able to make a perfect decision. You know.
I'm glad you mentioned the one against the Broncos, and
I've been going back and forth on it. I feel
pretty comfortable, like I would have liked to have those
you kneel right away after you get the first down
on the throw to Burrows left and you're making a choice, right,
(08:18):
do you want them to have the ball with fourteen
seconds left when you're up by three or a minute
in twenty nine when you're up by seven, when you
really haven't been able to trust your defense throughout this season.
So it feels like there are more situations like that,
even taking to go up six, where like across the league,
I think there's enough discussion and as just data as numbers.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
They continue to push forward. It just slowly but surely,
you know, as you like every cycle.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It feels like some of the head coaches continue to
like they're talking about here.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
We're gonna in all of analytics in certain ways. Then Look,
the word analytics is just another word for information. And
in a game that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Is especially raises in margin, why wouldn't you want all
the information possible.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I do hope that we see more teams that
are able to do.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Smart things like sometimes in the first quarter, if you're
gonna have a delay a game, just take the delay
and burn those five yards instead of having a one
less time out in a situation where that could burn you.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
At the end of the half. Solely most fully bit Charlie.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, well they haven't hired me yet. I've always offered
to work for I just want some sideline gear, you know,
maybe a couple hundred bucks a game, and I'd be
happy to do it. They have yet to take me
up on it. Bengals need to win on Saturday and
then they need some help. Can they get it from
the New York Jets?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I do think they could get it from the Jets.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
That one actually wears me a little bit less, just
because it seems like the Dolphins aren't going to have too.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
A dug of aloa to play there.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I think the Jets are trying their best to cobble
together some gift.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Level of pride for what they've kind of put out
this year.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
The one that strussed me out more, I think is
the Chiefs against the Broncos. I mean, hey, Carson Wentz,
like I think the whole entire state of Ohio is
ready to donate to the charity.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Of your choosing.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I'm sure when wants to put out some good table
and hopefully have a good career going forward, that's more
than just a backup.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So Carsons, you do it. Do it for us?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, I you know, people have talked about and understandably so,
that the Chiefs aren't going to play their starters. I
do think the players who play for them will play hard.
I do think those players will play their best. I
just don't know if it's going to be enough, but
I guess they have to make it matter on Saturday
Night Bengals and Steelers. I cannot thank you enough for
(10:24):
doing this all year long.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Shan, thanks so much, thanks so much, I really appreciate
you
We gotta chat with our guys, Sean sayat Stats and
Scheme podcastsumer sports dot com. Normally we chat with him
on Tuesdays, but again it's not Tuesday. We didn't have
a show on Tuesday. We're talking with him now on
x at Sayat Schemes Hi, Sean.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Mo, It's it's so good to be on you know.
It's not our usual day. It might be one of
our last two days.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm hoping that we get an extra one of things
fall in the Bengals favor.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
But of course, earth think it's going to be a
fun Saturday game against the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It is going to be a fun Saturday game and
one that me as a Bengals fan, I'm encouraged because
I'm if I'm going just by how the teams have
played recently, understanding the Bengals haven't played great opposition. Although
Denver's okay, Bengals going to this game with the head
of steam Pittsburgh not so much. I want to focus
on the Steelers because for a while there, you know,
(00:51):
five six weeks ago, a lot of us were talking
about them is maybe being the best team in the AFC.
Nobody is saying that now, what's happened to them.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You know, over the last three games they of course
play some rail playoff contenders between the Eagles, the Ravens,
and the Chiefs. I think that when you look at
them as a whole, you may usually say, oh, the
Steelers have such a strong defense. Of course, they're led
by a really good defensive line. Things actually had problems
in their secondary just between They are relatively simple and straightforward,
(01:20):
I think in terms of what they want to do
from a schematic perspective, and if you just don't have
all the parts holding up at the same time, or
if your pass rush is not always able to just
make things so much life easier on your secondary, then
problems sort of come up. So when we look at
some of the earlier games of the season that they
want to couse, you know, they did beat the Ravens
in that game where they were able to create a
bunch of turnovers and Russell Wilson is playing fine. I
(01:42):
think George Pickens' injury was a big bummer for their
offense overall. But I've actually been a little bit surprised
just their defense overall, I think hasn't been able to
do as use as maybe they would to vote.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
If I'm a Steelers fan, do I want Russell Wilson
to be the quarterback next year?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, I think when you look at it, they're not
going to be in a position to drive I have
to a high end quarterback. I can't imagine that they're
making a big trade. So it's an unfortunate reality, you know,
not everyone's blessed with Joe Burrow on their team. It
feels like you kind of have to continue with that
because when you look at the landscape of free agents,
do you want to like drop forty million dollars on
(02:17):
Sam Darnold. I'm not sure if that's what the Steelers
want to do. It feels like maybe in Minnesota is
able to keep him anyway. So I just don't think
there's a ton of options. And it's tough because you
then look at it and say, oh, well, maybe let's
take a flyer on a quarterback and the third or
fourth round. It's pretty rare that you're able to create
another Russell Wilson where you're drafted later in the draft
(02:38):
and you're able to be set a high level starter.
So it's just tough when you have quarterback progatory in
a little bit of way that the Steelers are in.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I'm going to ask you this understanding that his availability
for Saturday night is in question. Fill in the blank
for me, though, Chase Brown is a top what running
back in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
At least ten, It has to be at least and
I feel like every week I just continue to find
reasons to love Chase Brown.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I feel like that's my off ugh answer there.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Because the way that he is able to burst in
the run game, I think he's going to be able
to be consistent in the past game as well and
really a weapon for the Bengals offense.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Now all right, now I'm thinking about a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It's compend a little bit rich, probably, but I think
he has a high end trace to be someone that
is a staple in this offense. When you look at it,
of course you have Burrow, of course you have Chase
of course you're hoping to continue to have Higgins, even
if you have GASTICKI there who he's had a really
really positive year, and then Chase Brown. It's just like
a complete skill position unit. Obviously want to add in
the offensive line and make some changes on the defensive side.
(03:40):
So I just keep falling in love with Chase Brown
more and more as I feel like that's one of
the best parts about us talking about every week. It
feels like the Chase Brown time has just been awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I know the obvious answer is, well, look, they still
have Burrough, Chase and Higgins. But in the first game
against Pittsburgh, Cincinnati got one hundred yards from scrimmage from
Chase Brown. They scored thirty eight points. We've seen him
become such a factor. So what changes for them on
Saturday if he can't go.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
No, I do think that from a schematic perspective, you
don't change too much.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You have to kind of continue to try and threaten
with the run.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Noow, it might just either your backup running back is
not featured in the same.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Way ash Chase Brown.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Because at his head, I think Brown is so electric
in the open field.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He's able to make people miss.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He's able to be kind of an extension of the
running on the outside when they want to throw the
ball to him kind of quick. So I'll be interested
to see how much of just like pure Hey, we're
gonna line up and choptcun We're gonna go ahead and
ride out with this that the Bengals are going to do.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I think that Dale, they should be able to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Just thinking about I feel like my feeling overall in
those fielders defenses hasn't done the most positive.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, you know, I here's what I worry about on Saturday.
You know, if I go back to that first game
and you and I talked about it, Pittsburgh didn't exactly
like you know, roll out a bunch of exotic stuff
against the Bengals. It was basically leak a guy out
in the backfield, hit him and just see if he
can miss tackles. That was the biggest issue for the
Bengals in that game, the fourteen to sixteen miss tackles
(05:13):
they had. I feel like that's been cleaned up a
little bit. They ad mentally haven't gone up against great
offenses if they tackle, well, I'm not sure about what
the Pittsburgh offense right now should scare me.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I feel the same. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It feels like for the Bengals defense. We've talked about
it since the first time we.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Talked in Week one, where you had those issues.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Tackling against the Patriots, and I agree, in that last
game it really came down to the receiver heads the.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Ball in his hand. If someone had the ball in
their hands, they're in open space.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Are you, as a defensive backfield able to make a tackle.
And I do think that the Bengals have seeded up.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I mean I had points.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Maybe I just fee struggles here and there against the Broncos,
but yeah, against the Browns, against the Titans.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You see it at a higher level.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So you just hope that you're able to continue that
sort of trend, because that was how Pittsburgh was able
to create explosive play. As you mentioned, It wasn't like
we're drawing up some perfect play to have a safety
turning in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It was can you block? Can you tackle?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And unfortunately on that day, the Bengals couldn't tackle it
well enough. And I mean, you've scored so many points
in that game. It was so rare for Pittsburgh to
be able to put it that kind of offensive performance.
You hope it's really an outlier and then Westing to
shut that down.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Sean Saya is with us. The Stats and Scheme podcast
is a must listen, as is his column at Monday
Morning Mashup column at sumer sports dot com. You're a
smart guy. So for maybe twelve to fourteen years now, Sean,
I have been lobbying for the Bengals or even another
NFL team to hire me as the director of common sense. Now,
(06:46):
some teams have created this role, it's the game management guy,
but I've I've made a director of common sense, the
guy who understands when the use or not use a
time out, when we should spike the ball, when we
should throw the replay challenge flag or not. And yet
the Bengals haven't hired me. They could have used my
services on Saturday night, late in regulation when they left
(07:07):
too much time on the clock for Denver to score
the game tying touchdown. Why do NFL head coaches who work,
you know, twenty two and a half hours a day,
they sleep, They can't. They neglect their families because they've
got to be at work all the time. They have
no knowledge of world events because they're so in just
engrossed in football. Why do they routinely screw up the
(07:32):
basics of clock and game management?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yo, Mommy, it is tough, and it feels like maybe
if they played a little bit more Madden, you know,
you get those reds over and over. I will say
across the league, you see more game management people that
are involved in staff that like that is a position
that no, look, we might not be able to talk
anymore because you're right, you might get hired by the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
They can hired by some other teams to be able
to do that. So I'm like seeing that across the league.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I do think there are times where, yeah, like you're
under pressure or you know, it's those high string circumstances
where you're not able to make a perfect decision. You know.
I'm glad you mentioned the one against the Broncos, and
I've been going back and forth on it. I feel
pretty comfortable, like I would have liked to have those
you kneel right away after you get the first down
on the throw to Burrows left and you're making a choice, right,
(08:18):
do you want them to have the ball with fourteen
seconds left when you're up by three or a minute
in twenty nine when you're up by seven, when you
really haven't been able to trust your defense throughout this season.
So it feels like there are more situations like that,
even taking to go up six, where like across the league,
I think there's enough discussion and as just data as numbers.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
They continue to push forward. It just slowly but surely,
you know, as you like every cycle.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It feels like some of the head coaches continue to
like they're talking about here.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
We're gonna in all of analytics in certain ways. Then Look,
the word analytics is just another word for information. And
in a game that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Is especially raises in margin, why wouldn't you want all
the information possible.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I do hope that we see more teams that
are able to do.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Smart things like sometimes in the first quarter, if you're
gonna have a delay a game, just take the delay
and burn those five yards instead of having a one
less time out in a situation where that could burn you.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
At the end of the half. Solely most fully bit Charlie.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, well they haven't hired me yet. I've always offered
to work for I just want some sideline gear, you know,
maybe a couple hundred bucks a game, and I'd be
happy to do it. They have yet to take me
up on it. Bengals need to win on Saturday and
then they need some help. Can they get it from
the New York Jets?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I do think they could get it from the Jets.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
That one actually wears me a little bit less, just
because it seems like the Dolphins aren't going to have too.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
A dug of aloa to play there.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I think the Jets are trying their best to cobble
together some gift.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Level of pride for what they've kind of put out
this year.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
The one that strussed me out more, I think is
the Chiefs against the Broncos. I mean, hey, Carson Wentz,
like I think the whole entire state of Ohio is
ready to donate to the charity.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Of your choosing.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I'm sure when wants to put out some good table
and hopefully have a good career going forward, that's more
than just a backup.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So Carsons, you do it. Do it for us?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, I you know, people have talked about and understandably so,
that the Chiefs aren't going to play their starters. I
do think the players who play for them will play hard.
I do think those players will play their best. I
just don't know if it's going to be enough, but
I guess they have to make it matter on Saturday
Night Bengals and Steelers. I cannot thank you enough for
(10:24):
doing this all year long.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Shan, thanks so much, thanks so much, I really appreciate
you
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