January 8, 2025 • 11 mins
Rick Broering of Musketeer Report and NKU radio broadcasts joined us to talk about the Muskies and the Norse.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look, this is ESPN fifteen thirty on Wednesdays. Right around
this time, we chat with our guy Rick Boring Musketeer
Report dot Com, NKU Radio. You'll hear him tonight as
the North take on Youngstown State. It's crowded atop the
Horizon League. Youngstown State is the only team in the
Horizon League that has five wins. NK you aiming for
(00:21):
a fit this evening. That's going to be on Fox
Sports thirteen sixty. You got the Skinny podcast. Also, Rick
has turned into the only person who's Facebook posts I read,
so he's very very busy. How you doing, I'm doing well, ma,
How are you? Yeah, I'm doing okay, man, I'm doing okay.
It's good to have you. It's been a while.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Thanks. I appreciate you reading my Facebook post. I'm going
all all in on Facebook this year.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I've noticed and like, every time I go to that
particular app or social media platform like yours is the
first thing that comes up and I read it, and
then I read other people's Facebook posts and then I
quickly go off of Facebook. So thank you for giving
me the only reason to go to that particular platform.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, yeah, Twitter dying. I'm hearing. So I'm going back
in time or something. I don't know what's going on. Whatever,
we have to post something, I guess, yeah, very good.
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I did a Facebook purge over the holidays where I
unfriended like forty people who have died like in the
time that I've been on Facebook. Yeah, I hated to
do this, but it's like, well, I clear some room
and like, I'm like, that person's not with us anymore,
that person that I haven't been with this in ten years.
I cleaned out like maybe thirty to forty people who
are no longer with us, So I.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Have more rooms back under the threshold.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Exactly. Is this Xavier season salvagable.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
From what standpoint? From them at large bid standpoint? I
don't think so. I mean, I don't see any way
that this team goes. You know, what, do they have
their They've played sixteen games, now they have fifteen left.
They need to go twelve and three during that stretch
probably or whatever. I mean, it's whatever it is. They
need to win a ton of games and win a
(02:04):
lot of them in a row, and that's just not
in the cards for this group. I mean, I think
that's pretty clear based on their talent compared to other
Big East teams. Now, the question is people fought very
highly of this team when the roster was put together
in the offseason. It clearly hasn't panned out that way.
And yes, you don't have Lacina Triore, who was once
expected to be a part of this group, but you
(02:26):
do have most everyone else. I guess Trey Green also
not in the cards there, but he wasn't necessarily expected
to play a huge role. So you have all the
main characters that were originally expected to be a part
of this team. People thought highly of them. The question
is is there anything left in there? Is there something
else they can do? Can they change what they're doing
(02:46):
stylistically in a way that reshapes this season and gets
them playing better basketball to where there's there's some reason
to believe that maybe by the end of the season
they're playing their best and maybe they could go into
Madison Square Garden and pull a couple of upsets. Maybe
that could happen.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So, when we were assessing their chances in the preseason,
beyond the injuries, which you can't forecast, and obviously Treor
got injured before the season started, what did we get wrong?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well. I think a couple things that are really hard
to judge now in the NIL era is how are
mid major guys even if you think they're really good.
And everyone's taking chances on mid major guys and paying
them a lot of money, and a lot of them
are doing well. They're making the jump to the high
major level and they're becoming star level players there. But
(03:35):
how do you know which ones are going to make
the jump and which ones are going to be Actually
they were recruited to the mid major level for a reason.
I'm not saying that Xavier's only problem this year, but
I think it's very clear when you see the play
against the team like Saint John's. They were bullied, they
were overmatched physically. The athletes on Saint John's side were
(03:56):
so significantly better than the athletes on Xaviers side that
it felt like Xavier almost didn't really have a chance.
They felt like a mid major squad out there, And
so I guess that would be part of it. I think,
you know, a Dante Maddox hasn't really been a go
to guy along with Ryan Conwell. Ryan Conwell has been good,
(04:18):
but maybe not a number one for his team, and
granted he wasn't even the number one at Indiana State
a year ago. That was really Robbie app Love, the
big man that he played alongside. So I mean, looking back,
there are a ton of questions to be asked and
a ton of holes that you can poke in for
the theory for how they put this roster together. But
(04:38):
I think that's part of the times that we're in.
When you're in the transfer portal era and this nil era,
you're going to be taking chances. You're going to be
working with the resources that you have to put your
team together from year to year, and it is going
to be a much more year to year thing now.
I guess the big question is for a lot of
Xavier fans is did they make the right decision by
(05:00):
chasing off six or seven guys after last year was over,
even if that squad wasn't good enough last season? Should
they have put more faith in player development and sticking
with these guys even if you have to pay them
a little bit more money than you want to. Should
you keep them around just for the sake of continuity
and player development and getting better. I don't know what
(05:20):
the right answer is to that. I mean, we see
some of these guys that are having pretty good seasons
elsewhere after transferring. But like, get us to make sure,
putting up fourteen points at Hawaii against the three hundredth
best schedule in the country doesn't necessarily tell me that
he's the missing link to the Xavier team. You know,
I tend to think probably the drop and schedule and
talent at Hawaiian what he's facing now is more so
(05:42):
the reason that he's playing much better there than he
did for the Musketeers last season. So there are a
lot of questions, and I think based off of Sean
Miller's postgame interview on fifty five KRC with Joe Underman
and Byron Larkin and his postgame appearance with the media,
there are very few ants right now. And if I
had more of them, I would probably be getting paid
(06:03):
a lot more money. Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I mean, look that they you know, you talk about
that they've brought in players who have stepped up a level. Well,
I mean, who wouldn't take Quincy OLIVERI right, and who
wouldn't take sou Le Boom? And you know who wouldn't
take Ryan Conwell, he really struggled last night but I
think there's a lot of big eat schools at Privy
schools and other power for power five leagues that would
would like him. I think there's a lot of us
who have kind of given Sewan the benefit of it
(06:25):
out and said, all right, bring in one or two
really good mid major players, see if they could step
up a level, fill the roster with other guys, and
Sean will figure it out. Why hasn't he been able
to figure it out?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Again? I go back to last night's game. I'm sure
you watched some of it, though there was I know
there was a lot going on, but there there was
a clear discrepancy between those two teams from an athlete standpoint,
and I mean, I know think John's is probably on
the higher end of the spectrum when he comes to
athleticism in college basketball, and Xavier right now, the problem
is they seem to be in the bottom half of
(07:00):
that spectrum and maybe even lower than they should be.
In the bottom half for a team that's competing at
the high major level. It's that would be where I
start with it. It just doesn't really seem like they have
the horses right now from a physicality standpoint, from an
athleticism standpoint, and then beyond that, I don't know why
(07:20):
the offense doesn't look better. I mean we saw it
maybe for a few games, Like I'm thinking the game
against Yukon at Yukon to open Big East play where
they hit I think it was fourteen threes in that game.
They shot the ball really well, whatever it was, the
shot making was at a high level, the ball was
moving better. Dante Maddox was a big part of their
offense in that game, and I think originally that's what
we all thought, like, you're going to have Ryan Conwell
(07:43):
leading the way as a big time shooter and score.
You're gonna have another forty percent shooter who's a double
digit guy consistently, and Dante Maddox next to him. Davion
McKnight's going to be this big time point guard that's
all Big East type level running the show along with
those guys, and with that backcourt, they're really just going
to be high powered, fast paced. It's going to be
tough to chase the ball around on the defensive end.
(08:05):
And as it turns out, a lot of teams have
just said, you know what, we're bigger, we're more athletic,
we're longer. We're not going to let you reverse the ball,
we're not going to let you play real fast. We're
going to really guard you difficult man demand, we're not
going to help off your shooters, and we're going to
make the bet that you can't beat us one on
one and score over us. And that's the type of
defense that they've really struggled most with this year.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Rick Borring with us. You'll hear him tonight with Jim
Kelch NKU and Youngstown State North visiting the Penguins, who
are five and one in the Horizon League. NKU is
four and one. First of all, the last game, did
you get to spend any of the broadcasts dunking on
Doug Gottlieb, who feels like the lowest of low hanging
fruit right now?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I will tell you that I mostly avoided that chance
because one, I think a lot of people are doing
it already and I don't think it needs to be
done anymore. And two, in a very rare occurrence, something
that's never happened through my five years of broadcasting now
plus years of broadcasting now, two hours before the game,
the head coach of the other team, Doug Gottlieb came
out to our broadcast station that was US and talk
(09:08):
to us for about ten fifteen minutes and was an
open book, was willing to talk about all that was
going on that just had a very nice conversation with
Jim Kelch and I so, I quite honestly have a
new opinion of Doug Gottlieb somewhat and was pretty impressed
with the way that he handled himself there before the game.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Okay, we'll see. I think he's ruining it for sports
talk radio hosts because we're supposed to pretend this is
a really hard, time consuming job and he has it.
But he's also he's not doing a very good job
with that team this year. They're two and fifteen, but
he's coaching a D one basketball program. You're not supposed
to have time for anything when you do radio. He's
ruining the facade.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, that's what I wanted to bring up with you, Mo,
because you might have a bone to pick with him,
because that's one of the things he did make clear
to me and Jim. You know, he's like everyone's making
it a big deal, like this is so hard to
do both, and he's like it's not that big of
a deal to do the radio show. He's like, I
get to a hotel room. We set up at inn
Line and I just talked for three hours. So I
don't know what you guys are doing over there at
your station, but it seems like he got it all
(10:06):
figured out.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You're supposed to pretend that this is an all consuming,
all encompassing job that requires your work eighteen to twenty
hours quickly. The North are off to a good start
in the Horizon League. They play a team that has
a five to one record tonight. Handicapped the league race
through this stage of the season for me.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Man Jim and I were just talking about this today
when we were at lunch. It's tough to figure out
who the top teams are right now. It felt like
it was even more bunched up maybe two weeks ago
when we last talked. Now, you kind of have a
separation between the top half of the league and the
bottom half of the league. But when we talked about
the top half of the league, all of them have
one loss for the most part. And I mean we
could have a big tie a top first place tonight,
(10:47):
assuming NKU pulls off the win here at Youngstown State.
So I mean, I think a lot of people expected
Milwaukee to be the best team coming into the conference.
They've lived up to that with a four and one record.
Prdue Fort Wayne has lost two games now there four
and two, but there's still one of the more competitive teams.
They were picked to win the league. I think NKU
is playing as well as anyone right now, and they
have a player that could arguably be the top front
(11:08):
runner for player of the Year in the league right now,
and Trey Robinson, and then of course Youngktown State has
the best record with five and one right now. So
with them and Milwaukee, all of those teams are very
much in the mix for the top of this conference
right now, and I don't really see a clear reason
to separate any of them at the moment.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think I'm coming to the game February fifth, when
they host Cleveland State. I need you to be ready
for that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, I'll be locked in. We'll be looking for you.
Cleveland State not one of the teams towards the I
mean they excuse me. They are one of the teams
there with a four and one record, so they could
be tied to top the conference when they come in down. Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Awesome. I can't wait, and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Thanks so much, Thanks Ma, I appreciate it.
Look, this is ESPN fifteen thirty on Wednesdays. Right around
this time, we chat with our guy Rick Boring Musketeer
Report dot Com, NKU Radio. You'll hear him tonight as
the North take on Youngstown State. It's crowded atop the
Horizon League. Youngstown State is the only team in the
Horizon League that has five wins. NK you aiming for
(00:21):
a fit this evening. That's going to be on Fox
Sports thirteen sixty. You got the Skinny podcast. Also, Rick
has turned into the only person who's Facebook posts I read,
so he's very very busy. How you doing, I'm doing well, ma,
How are you? Yeah, I'm doing okay, man, I'm doing okay.
It's good to have you. It's been a while.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Thanks. I appreciate you reading my Facebook post. I'm going
all all in on Facebook this year.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I've noticed and like, every time I go to that
particular app or social media platform like yours is the
first thing that comes up and I read it, and
then I read other people's Facebook posts and then I
quickly go off of Facebook. So thank you for giving
me the only reason to go to that particular platform.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, yeah, Twitter dying. I'm hearing. So I'm going back
in time or something. I don't know what's going on. Whatever,
we have to post something, I guess, yeah, very good.
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I did a Facebook purge over the holidays where I
unfriended like forty people who have died like in the
time that I've been on Facebook. Yeah, I hated to
do this, but it's like, well, I clear some room
and like, I'm like, that person's not with us anymore,
that person that I haven't been with this in ten years.
I cleaned out like maybe thirty to forty people who
are no longer with us, So I.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Have more rooms back under the threshold.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Exactly. Is this Xavier season salvagable.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
From what standpoint? From them at large bid standpoint? I
don't think so. I mean, I don't see any way
that this team goes. You know, what, do they have
their They've played sixteen games, now they have fifteen left.
They need to go twelve and three during that stretch
probably or whatever. I mean, it's whatever it is. They
need to win a ton of games and win a
(02:04):
lot of them in a row, and that's just not
in the cards for this group. I mean, I think
that's pretty clear based on their talent compared to other
Big East teams. Now, the question is people fought very
highly of this team when the roster was put together
in the offseason. It clearly hasn't panned out that way.
And yes, you don't have Lacina Triore, who was once
expected to be a part of this group, but you
(02:26):
do have most everyone else. I guess Trey Green also
not in the cards there, but he wasn't necessarily expected
to play a huge role. So you have all the
main characters that were originally expected to be a part
of this team. People thought highly of them. The question
is is there anything left in there? Is there something
else they can do? Can they change what they're doing
(02:46):
stylistically in a way that reshapes this season and gets
them playing better basketball to where there's there's some reason
to believe that maybe by the end of the season
they're playing their best and maybe they could go into
Madison Square Garden and pull a couple of upsets. Maybe
that could happen.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So, when we were assessing their chances in the preseason,
beyond the injuries, which you can't forecast, and obviously Treor
got injured before the season started, what did we get wrong?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well. I think a couple things that are really hard
to judge now in the NIL era is how are
mid major guys even if you think they're really good.
And everyone's taking chances on mid major guys and paying
them a lot of money, and a lot of them
are doing well. They're making the jump to the high
major level and they're becoming star level players there. But
(03:35):
how do you know which ones are going to make
the jump and which ones are going to be Actually
they were recruited to the mid major level for a reason.
I'm not saying that Xavier's only problem this year, but
I think it's very clear when you see the play
against the team like Saint John's. They were bullied, they
were overmatched physically. The athletes on Saint John's side were
(03:56):
so significantly better than the athletes on Xaviers side that
it felt like Xavier almost didn't really have a chance.
They felt like a mid major squad out there, And
so I guess that would be part of it. I think,
you know, a Dante Maddox hasn't really been a go
to guy along with Ryan Conwell. Ryan Conwell has been good,
(04:18):
but maybe not a number one for his team, and
granted he wasn't even the number one at Indiana State
a year ago. That was really Robbie app Love, the
big man that he played alongside. So I mean, looking back,
there are a ton of questions to be asked and
a ton of holes that you can poke in for
the theory for how they put this roster together. But
(04:38):
I think that's part of the times that we're in.
When you're in the transfer portal era and this nil era,
you're going to be taking chances. You're going to be
working with the resources that you have to put your
team together from year to year, and it is going
to be a much more year to year thing now.
I guess the big question is for a lot of
Xavier fans is did they make the right decision by
(05:00):
chasing off six or seven guys after last year was over,
even if that squad wasn't good enough last season? Should
they have put more faith in player development and sticking
with these guys even if you have to pay them
a little bit more money than you want to. Should
you keep them around just for the sake of continuity
and player development and getting better. I don't know what
(05:20):
the right answer is to that. I mean, we see
some of these guys that are having pretty good seasons
elsewhere after transferring. But like, get us to make sure,
putting up fourteen points at Hawaii against the three hundredth
best schedule in the country doesn't necessarily tell me that
he's the missing link to the Xavier team. You know,
I tend to think probably the drop and schedule and
talent at Hawaiian what he's facing now is more so
(05:42):
the reason that he's playing much better there than he
did for the Musketeers last season. So there are a
lot of questions, and I think based off of Sean
Miller's postgame interview on fifty five KRC with Joe Underman
and Byron Larkin and his postgame appearance with the media,
there are very few ants right now. And if I
had more of them, I would probably be getting paid
(06:03):
a lot more money. Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I mean, look that they you know, you talk about
that they've brought in players who have stepped up a level. Well,
I mean, who wouldn't take Quincy OLIVERI right, and who
wouldn't take sou Le Boom? And you know who wouldn't
take Ryan Conwell, he really struggled last night but I
think there's a lot of big eat schools at Privy
schools and other power for power five leagues that would
would like him. I think there's a lot of us
who have kind of given Sewan the benefit of it
(06:25):
out and said, all right, bring in one or two
really good mid major players, see if they could step
up a level, fill the roster with other guys, and
Sean will figure it out. Why hasn't he been able
to figure it out?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Again? I go back to last night's game. I'm sure
you watched some of it, though there was I know
there was a lot going on, but there there was
a clear discrepancy between those two teams from an athlete standpoint,
and I mean, I know think John's is probably on
the higher end of the spectrum when he comes to
athleticism in college basketball, and Xavier right now, the problem
is they seem to be in the bottom half of
(07:00):
that spectrum and maybe even lower than they should be.
In the bottom half for a team that's competing at
the high major level. It's that would be where I
start with it. It just doesn't really seem like they have
the horses right now from a physicality standpoint, from an
athleticism standpoint, and then beyond that, I don't know why
(07:20):
the offense doesn't look better. I mean we saw it
maybe for a few games, Like I'm thinking the game
against Yukon at Yukon to open Big East play where
they hit I think it was fourteen threes in that game.
They shot the ball really well, whatever it was, the
shot making was at a high level, the ball was
moving better. Dante Maddox was a big part of their
offense in that game, and I think originally that's what
we all thought, like, you're going to have Ryan Conwell
(07:43):
leading the way as a big time shooter and score.
You're gonna have another forty percent shooter who's a double
digit guy consistently, and Dante Maddox next to him. Davion
McKnight's going to be this big time point guard that's
all Big East type level running the show along with
those guys, and with that backcourt, they're really just going
to be high powered, fast paced. It's going to be
tough to chase the ball around on the defensive end.
(08:05):
And as it turns out, a lot of teams have
just said, you know what, we're bigger, we're more athletic,
we're longer. We're not going to let you reverse the ball,
we're not going to let you play real fast. We're
going to really guard you difficult man demand, we're not
going to help off your shooters, and we're going to
make the bet that you can't beat us one on
one and score over us. And that's the type of
defense that they've really struggled most with this year.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Rick Borring with us. You'll hear him tonight with Jim
Kelch NKU and Youngstown State North visiting the Penguins, who
are five and one in the Horizon League. NKU is
four and one. First of all, the last game, did
you get to spend any of the broadcasts dunking on
Doug Gottlieb, who feels like the lowest of low hanging
fruit right now?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I will tell you that I mostly avoided that chance
because one, I think a lot of people are doing
it already and I don't think it needs to be
done anymore. And two, in a very rare occurrence, something
that's never happened through my five years of broadcasting now
plus years of broadcasting now, two hours before the game,
the head coach of the other team, Doug Gottlieb came
out to our broadcast station that was US and talk
(09:08):
to us for about ten fifteen minutes and was an
open book, was willing to talk about all that was
going on that just had a very nice conversation with
Jim Kelch and I so, I quite honestly have a
new opinion of Doug Gottlieb somewhat and was pretty impressed
with the way that he handled himself there before the game.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Okay, we'll see. I think he's ruining it for sports
talk radio hosts because we're supposed to pretend this is
a really hard, time consuming job and he has it.
But he's also he's not doing a very good job
with that team this year. They're two and fifteen, but
he's coaching a D one basketball program. You're not supposed
to have time for anything when you do radio. He's
ruining the facade.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, that's what I wanted to bring up with you, Mo,
because you might have a bone to pick with him,
because that's one of the things he did make clear
to me and Jim. You know, he's like everyone's making
it a big deal, like this is so hard to
do both, and he's like it's not that big of
a deal to do the radio show. He's like, I
get to a hotel room. We set up at inn
Line and I just talked for three hours. So I
don't know what you guys are doing over there at
your station, but it seems like he got it all
(10:06):
figured out.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You're supposed to pretend that this is an all consuming,
all encompassing job that requires your work eighteen to twenty
hours quickly. The North are off to a good start
in the Horizon League. They play a team that has
a five to one record tonight. Handicapped the league race
through this stage of the season for me.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Man Jim and I were just talking about this today
when we were at lunch. It's tough to figure out
who the top teams are right now. It felt like
it was even more bunched up maybe two weeks ago
when we last talked. Now, you kind of have a
separation between the top half of the league and the
bottom half of the league. But when we talked about
the top half of the league, all of them have
one loss for the most part. And I mean we
could have a big tie a top first place tonight,
(10:47):
assuming NKU pulls off the win here at Youngstown State.
So I mean, I think a lot of people expected
Milwaukee to be the best team coming into the conference.
They've lived up to that with a four and one record.
Prdue Fort Wayne has lost two games now there four
and two, but there's still one of the more competitive teams.
They were picked to win the league. I think NKU
is playing as well as anyone right now, and they
have a player that could arguably be the top front
(11:08):
runner for player of the Year in the league right now,
and Trey Robinson, and then of course Youngktown State has
the best record with five and one right now. So
with them and Milwaukee, all of those teams are very
much in the mix for the top of this conference
right now, and I don't really see a clear reason
to separate any of them at the moment.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think I'm coming to the game February fifth, when
they host Cleveland State. I need you to be ready
for that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, I'll be locked in. We'll be looking for you.
Cleveland State not one of the teams towards the I
mean they excuse me. They are one of the teams
there with a four and one record, so they could
be tied to top the conference when they come in down. Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Awesome. I can't wait, and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Thanks so much, Thanks Ma, I appreciate it.
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