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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Twenty three after five. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moegger,
thank you for joining us. During the Bengals season. We
were lucky enough to be joined by Sean Sayatt from
a Sumer Sports, host of the Stats and Scheme podcast.
He joined us every Tuesday, which was awesome. And then
the Bengals season ended. They didn't go to the playoffs,
and so we told Sean, yeah, we'll see you and
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hopefully Chad sometime down the road. Well, guess what. We're
down the road. It's the super Bowl week. You might
have heard Chiefs and Eagles, although folks here love to
pretend they're not going to watch the game because the
Chiefs are in it. Yeah, call me at six o'clock
on Sunday. Anyway, the game is in New Orleans and
that's where Sean is. He is one of the stars
of I think he's on Radio Row with a setup
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where he's drawn up plays and he's ranking movies and
he's talking with people. He's really become a superstar. So
we're lucky enough to get him. Hi, Sean, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We I'm doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It feels like maybe the superstar push was because I
got to come on the show I grew we can
talk Bengals and then it's been a lot of fun
and and certainly wish we're able to do it in person,
but you know, hey maybe sometime soon down the line.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, well it's fun to watch your Are you doing
your stuff from Radio Row?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, bring your table, Lady nine, if anyone's listening, if
you want to come down. We got a nice setup.
We got a big board where you can go through
some plates, we can talk about the data behind it.
We're breaking stuff down with former players, former coaches, current players,
current coaches and really getting to you know, you can
get to the bottom of the silly game we call football.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Now, I've I've done the Radio Row thing before and
I always enjoy when you get a chance to talk
to like a former play. They'll bring John Riggins over.
But you have to plug like sketch er shoes. Have
you had to do a bunch of weird, awkward plugs?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I mean yes, absolutely, Yeah, I don't have to do
the plugs. But you know, you get to talk through
some football, and you know, it's a little it's a
little it's a little tat Now you get to do
the different tat you let them plug with the stuff
that they need to do.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
They they're putting in the work there as well.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You know down there in New Orleans making big news, Shawn,
as you're well aware, is Trey hendricks And we're in
the middle of the off season of Trey Hendrickson. What
should the Bengals do with him?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Send him a fat check, I think is what they
should do for Tree Anderson.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And when we talked about it all season long about.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
How he is your defense, like you're really able to
form things around him so well, I do think I
would love to have them extend Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I would love for them to be able to draft and.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Maybe a defensive lineman early in that first round, where
now we have Hendrickson on one set, you have an
attacking player maybe like a Mike Green from Marshall, where
you're able.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
To get after the quarterback. You're able to just boost those.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Numbers a little bit. On the defensive side. And we
talked about the offense all season. The offense is fine,
we'll see what t Higgins happens, of course, but you
really need to be able to improve that defense.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So I would love for them to be able to
extend them, and.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
You know the question comes up, Oh, we can't extend
these guys.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
No, that's what the money is for. That's for someone
else to figure out.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
You have to be able to extend people on time,
to be able to start doing those funky things where
you can manipulate the cap a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
What's your take right now on where things stand, which
frankly is not that much different from when you and
I last talked, but where things stand right now with
T Higgins.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, I mean it's tough because it just feels like
as you continue on, you continue on, you start to
discover hey, and more teams were interested.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I do kind of like that, you know, Burrow and Higgins,
I feel like they've made it.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Clear, like, hey, like let's figure this out, guys, let's
try and do something. I'm never gonna ask a guy
to take a hometown discount. Just thinking about a person
doing what's best for them and their family, it feels like,
you know, they should be able to.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Figure it out.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I think that you can maybe not necessarily compromise, but
you don't put that money out there like this is
like your window is going to certainly be Burrow's career
as Burrow himself has said before, but surrounding him with
quality players is going to be so important where I mean,
if not, you know, if you're gonna let Higgins walk,
you better find a you know, a quick way to
replace that second receiver spot.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Sean Sayde is with us from New Orleans on x
AT sayed schemes. Uh, are you starting to formulate draft
opinions or do I have to wait a few weeks
for that?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I you know, it depends.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
MA. You know you can float the question and I
guess I'll tell you. But yeah, have we got to
be at the Shrine Bowl, We got to be at
the Senior Bowl. We got to talk to a bunch
of players. We got to talk to a bunch of
players coaches. See how these people are thinking, see how
they're going through the process.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And so I'm starting I will certainly say, you know,
it's not maxed up. I'll be excited to talk more
stuff later on. But yeah, I certainly have some.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Opinions based on where we are right now. Who do
I want to Bengals to draft in the first round.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I think, you know, Mike Green or Schamar Stewart, a
defensive end player that can have that high end potential
where Mike Green he's a really speed guy off the edge.
Having Hendrickson crush the pocket Mike Green kind of off
the edge quickly. On the other side of that would
be nice if a Shamar Stewart from Texas A and
m I mean this guy, he is a physical freak.
I think in college he wasn't able to finish sacks
in the same way. I think that you would like
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him to in the NFL. But it's hard not to
be able to bet on some of that potential. I
do think, you know you're I think Bengals are picking
around seventeen. Perhaps you know later on you can fill
in some things in the offensive line. I do think
though the best teams. I feel like when I think
about the Eagles and how their Robster is constructed, they're
filling a lot of holes in for agency.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So you can go into the.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Draft and just take a player that is a real
difference maker, and of course says you get later in
that first round, it might be a little bit less lucky,
but I think I might just be falling in love
with that defensive line class.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Next time we talk, Hey, it might be a guy
like a Gray's able from North Dakota State, you know,
and into your offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
All right, very good the game itself on Sunday. When
when you watch the Chiefs critically, like you know, when
not not you know, surface level like a lot of us.
But when you watch them critically, you know, the takeaway
we've had all year long is like, well, they're they're
they're winning dot dot dot. But right they're winning, but
they're playing offensively, you know, a pretty uneven brand of football,
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and at some point their fatal flaws are going to
catch up to them. Like when you watch the Chiefs critically,
obviously they're good. It wouldn't be here if they weren't good.
But what what has been missing all season long that
they seem to have figured out here toward the end
of the regular season and in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean, it.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Feels like their superpower is just this absurd third down
efficiency where you're getting these late down plays.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That Mahomes can just consistently make them over and over.
It does feel like you're getting Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Unlocked a little bit more, where you know they're not
exactly chucking the ball down the field all the time,
or defenses are really prioritizing stopping that. But in the
RPO game, they're getting a lot just quicker throws. Get
that ball out, don't test your offensive line in the
same way when you're moving your left guard to left tackle.
Now you have maybe two weeks spots on that offensive
line that the Eagles might be able to take advantage of.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So I think getting things. Just get that ball out quick.
We're really trying to make our offensive life a little
bit easier.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I think that's been you know, a little bit of
the difference on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I think Philly's roster is better and they're gonna win
by ten.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I look, I've talked about it since Saturday, where I
put my official prediction in.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I had Eagles twenty seven, she's twenty four.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The Eagles roster is up and down.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
They're just better and you can do the whole Oh man,
it's Patrick Mahomes. You don't want him to have the
ball as the game ends.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That's absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think the Bills were able to make enough stops
in that game, and mo, I think the Eagles defense
is better and more more talented and better coach than
that Bill's defense, it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Come down and jail and hurts, you know, maybe making
like three throws. I think that's all you're gonna need
from him in this game.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I think he's off a game in the NFC Championship,
the Conference championship game where I think he played his
best game in maybe two years against the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So I do feel like things are set up pretty
well for the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
What should the success of Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry
this season do about the conversation regarding running backs.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I think it should teach you that if you have
a supremely talented player in a positive offensive line environment,
they're going to be able to reach that superstar status.
So I don't necessarily think, look, you know me, I
would like all these guys get paid all of the
money from all of the owners at the same time.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But I think when you are looking at.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
That high end running back type player, I think a
little bit it is helped by having a good offensive line.
Where seeing Saquon Barkley feel like his vision improved so
much this year. Part of that is because he's trusting
when he makes a cut to the left.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You know, Jordan Mallan is gonna move a guy out
of the way for him. So I do think there's
a little bit of combination there where. Maybe it's not just.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Hey, we need to throw a ton of money out
running back, but having a running back that maybe just
a little bit towards a different part of their career.
You put them in a situation with a really good
offensive line.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That can be a good thing. Now, as you know,
I love Chase Brown.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Not everyone has a guy like Chase Brown, just just
young and spry running around the field.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Who's the coolest person you've had a chance to talk
to in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I mean it might not be cool for everyone, but
Vic Banjo was a really big one for me. The
artiflot wrote about his defenses.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Gamone got me the jobs that I have now, so
i'd be able to ask him a few questions.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Was really good.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Clint Hurt the defensive line coach there, Milton Williams, who
I think is going to be the X factor in
this game, and I don't know, I'm not going to
say Jalen Hurts, and like all the top guys, I
feel like some of those guys that people talk about
a little less.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
They're really cool too.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
That's that's why I like you, because if I asked
that question to anybody else, they would have they would
have mentioned Starr. You mentioned the defensive coordinator who's bounced
around the league. So that's that's why I like having
you on.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Look. I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
And now he's he's at a point in his career
where you know, he wants to be in.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Philly for the rest of his career. I'd be really
happy for him.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I think they had the best defense in the league.
I'm just I'm super excited to watch the game on Sunday.
I don't really understand the whole Oh you know, ticket.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Prices are down or the viewership is going to be down.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Like you said, let's wait till the numbers come back
at the middle of next week when we break some
records about how many people are watching the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Look, I dealt with this last and look like everybody
here hates the Chiefs, right, So I dealt with this
last year like, oh yeah, I'm not gonna watch it.
And then the next day the same people were like
breaking down the game, the commercials, the halftime, like oh yeah,
what were you doing at six point thirty on Super
Bowl Sunday. You turn the game on, everybody will all right, man,
it was awesome to get caught up and join the
rest of the week in New Orleans. And I'm sure
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we'll bother you before the draft.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Thanks so much, man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
All right.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
That's our guy, Sean sayat the Stats and Scheme podcast
and sumer sports dot com. He's you go find them
on social media. His setup at Radio Row. Why the
stupid Bengals couldn't make the Super Bowl Because I'm watching
all this content from my favorite city at Radio Row
and we're not there. Instead we're talking to people from
Radio Row.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
But would you have won the Radio Row.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I don't know. Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Just find the ice chest in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I don't know what the setup would have been. I
don't know. I've done Radio Row twice. I did it
in New York and I did it in in Indy,
and and it's its value to the audience isn't great. Like,
let's be honest, Now, we were lucky in Indy, like
Andy Dalton and aj Green were coming off rookie seasons.
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We grabbed them, uh, and they were terrific. And in
New York we got Marvin Jones was with the Bengals,
Connor Barwin, you see, Anthony Munhoz came by. But like
you know, they really are like wheeling these you know,
it's one thing if it's like a like a Hall
of Famer, like a legend, but it's like here's a
Jeff Hosteler on behalf of four trucks. Do you want
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to talk to him? Like, I don't know, man, I
don't know that I really want to.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Boy, they would have gave you because I'm looking now
Ted Carris and Alice Kappa that have been cool. They're
sponsoring Bounty this year.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, do they have those cool bounty jackets on?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yep, yeah, yes they do.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Instead here we are, but I just I wanted to
go to New Orleans and uh, I mean I guess
I could, but we're we're not.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Might be Santa Clara next year?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Is that where this I had? Honestly, you could have.
You could have said to me, mogguest with the Super
Bowl is next season, and I would have It would
have taken me five or six guesses. Santa Clara would
be would be nice. It is twenty five away from
six o'clock, another Reds projection, a low bar for the
Bearcats and uh more on Trey Hendrickson and That's not
the last time I'll say that on ESPN fifteen thirty,
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