February 26, 2025 • 10 mins
Sam Bruchhaus of Sumer Sports and the "draft fm" podcast joined us from the NFL Scouting Combine to talk about his first mock draft and some Bengals draft possibilities.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Minutes after three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Oegger.
(00:03):
Reading a clock can be really hard, one of the
most difficult parts of this job. Chris Whittingham from Apple
TV on FC Cincinnati coming up in fifteen minutes, and
because it's Wednesday, our guy Rick Boring on the Musketeers
and the Norse coming up in twenty minutes. Paul Danner
Junior from The Combine in the five o'clock hour. Speaking
of the Combine, that's where a guy Sam Brookhouse is
(00:25):
sumer Sports. He does the Draft FM podcast. He's got
a mock draft up for us suomer sports dot com.
You know we love mock drafts. It's we're just now
getting into mock draft season. Sam kind enough to give
us a few minutes this afternoon. Good afternoon, Sam, how
are you. I'm doing awesome?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm here in Indianapolis. I've had shrimp cocktail. My finuses
may never be the same. I'm losing my voice talking
all these people about draft insights, trying to get the
latest information. So it's been a great time out here.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
All right, let's talk about your recent mock draft. You
did a one round mock draft the Bengals obviously picking
seventeenth overall, you have them taking an edge player Mike
Green from Marshall. Why do I want him?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's really an excellent question because I've been trying to
solve that all day. A lot of people have six
plus edge rushers going in the first round.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's what I.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Think is probably going to be the number. And I've
been trying to differentiate between all these guys right now
as an analyst. As an analytics guy, I'm not confident
any one is better than the other one. But talking
to a lot of people about Abdol Carter at the
top of the draft, he seems to have separated himself
with his mix of size, athleticism, production in college and contact,
(01:42):
playing at the highest level and playing a lot of
games Mike Green, for example, as the production and he
has the athletic traits to be a successful defensive pass rusher. However,
on the flip side, he did play at Marshall. He
played a sun Belt schedule. That being said, he was
great at the Senior Bowls, productive, and I think he
would be a good set up player for twenty twenty
(02:04):
six to play behind Trey Hendrickson and Sam Hubbard if
they move on to free agency, I think he'll be
able to fill that slot right after.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So the talk to this point has been, well, edge
is deep, and defensive tackle is deep. Well we'll address
that position here in just a second. But edge is deep.
And so there's a guy like Mike Green and you
talked about like the top six. Maybe there's not a
huge difference between those players. How steep is the drop
off from a player like this to a guy that
(02:32):
they can maybe get mid second round.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So when they say that the edge class is deep,
I think it's particularly talking about that first round.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I don't know if it's going to go.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Into you know, day three, Day four, excuse me, day three,
rounds four, five, and six, where it's going to be
super deep and you're going to be able to get
a guy that can contribute. I do think there are
guys such as Josiah Stewart from Michigan who I really
like the Senior Bowl, Princely ununce his name, but princeally
U from Ole, miss I think he's going to go
(03:03):
probably Day two early. He'll be an excellent addresser. But
I just think that the quality is going to be
a little better in the first round, even though there
is kind of a mush of guys in his middle
teams picks.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
All right, so let's slide inside and stay on the
defensive line and look at three techniques. Would you say
the same thing about the depth there?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So very interesting that you say that I was considering
three positions of need that I thought they could be
able to get in the middle rounds. Defensive tackle was
the second one. Cornerback obviously probably the most pressing need,
but there's not a bunch of guys in that slot
defensive tackle. You know, you're talking about Mason Graham all
the way up at the top. But Walter Nolan is
(03:44):
a guy I really considered from my spots for the Bengals.
I ended up putting him more around his consensus rating
to the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But I'm really hearing.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
A lot of talk, particularly from lambs Zerline of NFL
dot Com, that people are starting to think that Walter
Nolan may actually be the best defensive tackle athlete in
this draft. The problem is he lacks a little bit
of size, but in an attacking al golden defense, I
actually like that fit.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
At Notre Dame, you know, they.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Were playing with guys like Howard Cross, for example, who
was a little bit smaller but was able to get
penetration in a very active Marcus Freeman al golden defense.
And I think if that's going to be the meta
the stereotype coming in about this defense, I think Walter
Nolan may be a fantastic fit, all.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Right, kind of in passing, you mentioned corner there, which
I think is a really interesting position because there are
a lot of players the Bengals have invested early round
draft choices at that position, and yet maybe nobody that
you could say, God, you know what, this guy this
coming season, you can lock him in to fill this role.
There's a lot of uncertainty there, so and you can
(04:51):
tell me that I'm wrong if I am, But is
there is there a sense that maybe they can't find
somebody in this draft at that position who can add
to that and help immediately in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So it's going to be really interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Alongside my question about the edge rushers and the differences
between those guys in which the answer with al Bill
Carter seems to be in a different tier given his profile.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I wanted to know who are the Day two cornerback.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Guys, not necessarily the guys on the edge of the
first round, like Shaevon Revel or Benjamin Morrison out of
Notre Dame who may be able to help. And it
feels like there's not either a consensus yet people maybe
haven't made it that far in the prep or people
are waiting for people to separate using the combine the
pro days and diving deeper into the film. But I
(05:38):
have not gotten a good answer on this question, and
I'm going to keep asking it. But I think you know,
we're already at this port portion of the draft season.
I think it's going to be tough to get dB
help or cornerback help on day two or day three
unless you trade up potentially right outside of the end
of the first round to get Shavon Roul or Benjamin Morrison.
(05:59):
There are a couple of other names a good cornerback
out of Florida State as well, but it just does
not feel like anyone is separating from the pack. A
name to watch out for from the Senior Bowl, however,
that I think will be in that range as Quincy Riley.
I liked him, but I think he's going to be
more of a developmental prospect or a third cornerback.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Sam brookal Suomer Sports senior analyst, former two line linebacker,
host of the Draft FM podcast, has his mock draft
up at sumer sports dot com. I do not think
the Bengals are going to draft an interior offensive lineman
in round one. I do think you can make a
reasonable case that they should. And so one thing that
(06:34):
I looked at when I looked at your draft was
how many interior offensive linemen you had going in round one?
And I believe the answer is one that was Tyler Booker.
Could you make the case that maybe, if he's there,
the Bengals take him.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So here's the interesting part is, I think there's only
maybe one or two certified tackles in this class. I
think a lot of these guys, particularly arm from Missouri,
could be an elite guard at the next level. Guys
like Josh Simmons. There's a lot of discussion about swing
offensive linemen who have really been capable to provide depth
and also to fill in massive roles for teams that
(07:13):
are kind of building up. Another interior offensive lineman that
I think is going to slip into the first round.
Perhaps there's a lot of hype behind him is North
Dakota State's Gray Zabel. But I think people are just
drafting talent at the lineman position rather than tackle or
guard or this or that. I think people are looking
for guys that are probably tackles in terms of build,
meaning long arms, you know, the stereotypical tackle position, but
(07:36):
looking for the production in terms of the analytics and
also the profile to be able to swing back into
the guard position if possible.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And I think people are viewing that properly.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Here's what I'll note the it's an ultra deep year
across free agency and the draft at the interior offensive
line positions. A lot of people are talking about Trey
Smith twenty five million dollar apy. I really think you'll
be able to get down some stantially lowered than that
and perhaps fill in a Pro Bowl level or certified
starter level guy in free agency for a pretty tidy cost.
(08:10):
And then meanwhile, you can go into the draft and
rounds one, rounds two, even in the rounds four, go
ahead and draft a pretty solid meat and potatoes offensive
guard or offensive center who can really contribute. So I
think that the Bengals are going to be able to
really address that need in this entire off season. Whether
they do they do that in free agency or in
the draft, I'm not exactly sure yet, but they should
(08:32):
be able to address it at any point.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What do you do now?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You go back to Elmo's from moor from cocktail or
do you switch it up?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So I'm actually about to go to the Big Data Bowl,
which the NFL puts.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
On for all the nerds out here. But you know,
I went Monday and Tuesday at Saint Elmo's. Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I switched up a little bit. I got shrimp cocktail
the first day and steak second day. I got the
tomato juice skipped out on the cocktail with a pork chop.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Both excellent. I just need some veggies now, and.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I'm a little stopped up from all the meat I
gotta get right. Maybe I gotta go get a salad somewhat.
I'm envious of the suomer Sports expense reports. I'm interested
in that. I might have to might have to take
you up on that. All right, Sam, good stuff, enjoy
the combine. We'll talk to you man. Thanks so much,
Thank you so much. Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's good stuff. Sam brookus Draft FM podcastsoomersports dot Com
former two lane linebacker turned NFL ner twenty nine after
three o'clock. By the way, the Reds are playing right now,
and they're playing the Angels. Both teams wearing red jerseys.
It's one nothing. Angels at the plate in the bottom
of the first inning. Do you know how the Reds
scored their run? Do we know what the Reds did
(09:39):
offensively to plate the first run of the game. I'll
tell you and we'll chat with Chris Whittingham next on
ESPN fifteen.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
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Minutes after three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Oegger.
(00:03):
Reading a clock can be really hard, one of the
most difficult parts of this job. Chris Whittingham from Apple
TV on FC Cincinnati coming up in fifteen minutes, and
because it's Wednesday, our guy Rick Boring on the Musketeers
and the Norse coming up in twenty minutes. Paul Danner
Junior from The Combine in the five o'clock hour. Speaking
of the Combine, that's where a guy Sam Brookhouse is
(00:25):
sumer Sports. He does the Draft FM podcast. He's got
a mock draft up for us suomer sports dot com.
You know we love mock drafts. It's we're just now
getting into mock draft season. Sam kind enough to give
us a few minutes this afternoon. Good afternoon, Sam, how
are you. I'm doing awesome?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm here in Indianapolis. I've had shrimp cocktail. My finuses
may never be the same. I'm losing my voice talking
all these people about draft insights, trying to get the
latest information. So it's been a great time out here.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
All right, let's talk about your recent mock draft. You
did a one round mock draft the Bengals obviously picking
seventeenth overall, you have them taking an edge player Mike
Green from Marshall. Why do I want him?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's really an excellent question because I've been trying to
solve that all day. A lot of people have six
plus edge rushers going in the first round.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's what I.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Think is probably going to be the number. And I've
been trying to differentiate between all these guys right now
as an analyst. As an analytics guy, I'm not confident
any one is better than the other one. But talking
to a lot of people about Abdol Carter at the
top of the draft, he seems to have separated himself
with his mix of size, athleticism, production in college and contact,
(01:42):
playing at the highest level and playing a lot of
games Mike Green, for example, as the production and he
has the athletic traits to be a successful defensive pass rusher. However,
on the flip side, he did play at Marshall. He
played a sun Belt schedule. That being said, he was
great at the Senior Bowls, productive, and I think he
would be a good set up player for twenty twenty
(02:04):
six to play behind Trey Hendrickson and Sam Hubbard if
they move on to free agency, I think he'll be
able to fill that slot right after.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So the talk to this point has been, well, edge
is deep, and defensive tackle is deep. Well we'll address
that position here in just a second. But edge is deep.
And so there's a guy like Mike Green and you
talked about like the top six. Maybe there's not a
huge difference between those players. How steep is the drop
off from a player like this to a guy that
(02:32):
they can maybe get mid second round.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So when they say that the edge class is deep,
I think it's particularly talking about that first round.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I don't know if it's going to go.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Into you know, day three, Day four, excuse me, day three,
rounds four, five, and six, where it's going to be
super deep and you're going to be able to get
a guy that can contribute. I do think there are
guys such as Josiah Stewart from Michigan who I really
like the Senior Bowl, Princely ununce his name, but princeally
U from Ole, miss I think he's going to go
(03:03):
probably Day two early. He'll be an excellent addresser. But
I just think that the quality is going to be
a little better in the first round, even though there
is kind of a mush of guys in his middle
teams picks.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
All right, so let's slide inside and stay on the
defensive line and look at three techniques. Would you say
the same thing about the depth there?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So very interesting that you say that I was considering
three positions of need that I thought they could be
able to get in the middle rounds. Defensive tackle was
the second one. Cornerback obviously probably the most pressing need,
but there's not a bunch of guys in that slot
defensive tackle. You know, you're talking about Mason Graham all
the way up at the top. But Walter Nolan is
(03:44):
a guy I really considered from my spots for the Bengals.
I ended up putting him more around his consensus rating
to the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But I'm really hearing.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
A lot of talk, particularly from lambs Zerline of NFL
dot Com, that people are starting to think that Walter
Nolan may actually be the best defensive tackle athlete in
this draft. The problem is he lacks a little bit
of size, but in an attacking al golden defense, I
actually like that fit.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
At Notre Dame, you know, they.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Were playing with guys like Howard Cross, for example, who
was a little bit smaller but was able to get
penetration in a very active Marcus Freeman al golden defense.
And I think if that's going to be the meta
the stereotype coming in about this defense, I think Walter
Nolan may be a fantastic fit, all.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Right, kind of in passing, you mentioned corner there, which
I think is a really interesting position because there are
a lot of players the Bengals have invested early round
draft choices at that position, and yet maybe nobody that
you could say, God, you know what, this guy this
coming season, you can lock him in to fill this role.
There's a lot of uncertainty there, so and you can
(04:51):
tell me that I'm wrong if I am, But is
there is there a sense that maybe they can't find
somebody in this draft at that position who can add
to that and help immediately in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So it's going to be really interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Alongside my question about the edge rushers and the differences
between those guys in which the answer with al Bill
Carter seems to be in a different tier given his profile.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I wanted to know who are the Day two cornerback.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Guys, not necessarily the guys on the edge of the
first round, like Shaevon Revel or Benjamin Morrison out of
Notre Dame who may be able to help. And it
feels like there's not either a consensus yet people maybe
haven't made it that far in the prep or people
are waiting for people to separate using the combine the
pro days and diving deeper into the film. But I
(05:38):
have not gotten a good answer on this question, and
I'm going to keep asking it. But I think you know,
we're already at this port portion of the draft season.
I think it's going to be tough to get dB
help or cornerback help on day two or day three
unless you trade up potentially right outside of the end
of the first round to get Shavon Roul or Benjamin Morrison.
(05:59):
There are a couple of other names a good cornerback
out of Florida State as well, but it just does
not feel like anyone is separating from the pack. A
name to watch out for from the Senior Bowl, however,
that I think will be in that range as Quincy Riley.
I liked him, but I think he's going to be
more of a developmental prospect or a third cornerback.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Sam brookal Suomer Sports senior analyst, former two line linebacker,
host of the Draft FM podcast, has his mock draft
up at sumer sports dot com. I do not think
the Bengals are going to draft an interior offensive lineman
in round one. I do think you can make a
reasonable case that they should. And so one thing that
(06:34):
I looked at when I looked at your draft was
how many interior offensive linemen you had going in round one?
And I believe the answer is one that was Tyler Booker.
Could you make the case that maybe, if he's there,
the Bengals take him.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So here's the interesting part is, I think there's only
maybe one or two certified tackles in this class. I
think a lot of these guys, particularly arm from Missouri,
could be an elite guard at the next level. Guys
like Josh Simmons. There's a lot of discussion about swing
offensive linemen who have really been capable to provide depth
and also to fill in massive roles for teams that
(07:13):
are kind of building up. Another interior offensive lineman that
I think is going to slip into the first round.
Perhaps there's a lot of hype behind him is North
Dakota State's Gray Zabel. But I think people are just
drafting talent at the lineman position rather than tackle or
guard or this or that. I think people are looking
for guys that are probably tackles in terms of build,
meaning long arms, you know, the stereotypical tackle position, but
(07:36):
looking for the production in terms of the analytics and
also the profile to be able to swing back into
the guard position if possible.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And I think people are viewing that properly.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Here's what I'll note the it's an ultra deep year
across free agency and the draft at the interior offensive
line positions. A lot of people are talking about Trey
Smith twenty five million dollar apy. I really think you'll
be able to get down some stantially lowered than that
and perhaps fill in a Pro Bowl level or certified
starter level guy in free agency for a pretty tidy cost.
(08:10):
And then meanwhile, you can go into the draft and
rounds one, rounds two, even in the rounds four, go
ahead and draft a pretty solid meat and potatoes offensive
guard or offensive center who can really contribute. So I
think that the Bengals are going to be able to
really address that need in this entire off season. Whether
they do they do that in free agency or in
the draft, I'm not exactly sure yet, but they should
(08:32):
be able to address it at any point.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What do you do now?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You go back to Elmo's from moor from cocktail or
do you switch it up?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So I'm actually about to go to the Big Data Bowl,
which the NFL puts.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
On for all the nerds out here. But you know,
I went Monday and Tuesday at Saint Elmo's. Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I switched up a little bit. I got shrimp cocktail
the first day and steak second day. I got the
tomato juice skipped out on the cocktail with a pork chop.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Both excellent. I just need some veggies now, and.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I'm a little stopped up from all the meat I
gotta get right. Maybe I gotta go get a salad somewhat.
I'm envious of the suomer Sports expense reports. I'm interested
in that. I might have to might have to take
you up on that. All right, Sam, good stuff, enjoy
the combine. We'll talk to you man. Thanks so much,
Thank you so much. Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's good stuff. Sam brookus Draft FM podcastsoomersports dot Com
former two lane linebacker turned NFL ner twenty nine after
three o'clock. By the way, the Reds are playing right now,
and they're playing the Angels. Both teams wearing red jerseys.
It's one nothing. Angels at the plate in the bottom
of the first inning. Do you know how the Reds
scored their run? Do we know what the Reds did
(09:39):
offensively to plate the first run of the game. I'll
tell you and we'll chat with Chris Whittingham next on
ESPN fifteen.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center. Around forty percent
of cancers are preventable. Lifestyle changes and screenings can make
a difference. Call five one three five eighty five UCCC
on Dixie Highway. It is an accident between Crescentville and
wood Ridge Boulevard running road. Another accident, this one south
(10:12):
of Crescentville Road and on Camargo Road. An accident at
Madison Road. Set on seventy five. Traffic slow from Western
Avenue to Fort Washington Way. I'm at Ezelic with traffic
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