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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dave Lapplock and you're listening to the Home
of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thirty's right here you go, right on time. Five minutes
after four. This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Moleegor. Thank
you so much for listening. I have questions about the
I have a question about the Bengals and how afraid
you think they should be coming up in just about
fifteen minutes. I mentioned this when it started that I
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was excited for the news show that airs on our
station from ten am to noon, right before Tony and
Austin are on. Since e three sixty, Clinton Yates took
over the spot I think just over a month ago
that was previously occupied by Mike Greenberg. And nothing against
Mike or nothing against anybody else who has been on
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in that time slot or on ESPN Radio, but I
was excited that Clinton was going to be on. He
is somebody who I've read for years. You could read
him on Andscape somebody who I've watched on around the Horn,
which is going away from my standpoint, unfortunately, because I
like that show and I've heard him do radio before.
But what I like about Clinton, and this has proven
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to be the case, and I said this was going
to happen when we found out he was going to
be taken over that time slot. He was going to
talk baseball because this guy's a seam head. This guy
loves the sport. And lo and behold, and I have
said this to people. Listen to the show, tend the noon.
He's gonna work in some good baseball topics, and it's
happened because he loves the sport as much as I do.
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So Clinton, I appreciate you joining us and talking baseball
when you're on.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's good to have you. Good afternoon. How are you well?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
What up, dude?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
That's nothing abnormal at all. Baseball is the sport that
I love the most. It's the sport that I liked
playing the most. It's the sport that I covered the
most now. And I'm being quite honest, your red Legs
over there probably a story that I'll be paid a
lot of attention to. This seed's with what they've got
with them done in the offseason. They're not just a
cute little Reds anymore. They got a real shot to
make some noise.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
They do, especially in this division.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I know it's challenging for a lot of folks on
national outlets to talk baseball, and I like, I get it,
and we can talk about the direction of the sport
and the placement of it on large platforms. But I
like how you work in smart topics about the game,
and you've talked about the ABS system and some spring
training storylines, and frankly, it's more than just the Dodgers
and Yankees. So I really am speaking from a place
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of appreciation that it's been a refreshing change of pace.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I'll just put a t you that way.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, I appreciate that. I'll say this quickly.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I think it's difficult for a lot of people on
a national skill we'll talk about baseball because a lot
of people.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
On a national skill don't actually like baseball.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
They just like talking about baseball as a reason to
crap on it, which is a completely different thing. If
you genuinely enjoy the game, it's not that difficult, just
like any other sport for me.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So you like the direction the sport is going in.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I'll say that what baseball has figured out is that
what people care about is a lot more than just
what teams win what And they've actually tried to jump
in and delve into how the game is played and
what the people playing it are actually like. That was
the big mistake that I think a lot of this
country did not understand in terms of the regional concepts
of the game. Nobody necessarily cares that much whether or
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not the Dodgers beat the Yankees, especially from the participant standpoint.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You think about people who are baseball fans.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
There are people who probably caught onto baseball at some
point up through high school.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
They like the game.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
The game itself is what baseball needed to get back
to marketing, not just oh do you root for that team?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Do you root for this team? Always their homers always
they're not. The culture of baseball is what makes it cool.
And if you understand who the guys are that play it,
you're you have a far better chance of attaching to
it that if you're just concerned about whether or not
a team in your town or another is it what earth?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I we're on
the same page. I love the sport.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I like some of the on field initiatives, I will admit,
you know, like banning the shift. I thought that was
gonna have an undesirable effect. That hasn't been the case.
The pitch clock has been universally received. I think for
the most part, people like the extra playoff team and
hasn't watered down the season all that much. The playoff
format is really good. Here's what I like the most,
and this I've noticed this us doing what we do.
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We've done this show now for a while. I don't
really have to listen to people talk about unwritten rules
in baseball anymore, and that, to me is the most
refreshing thing.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
It's a great call too, because it's also changed I
think the way a lot of fans have felt about
what they are allowed to like, which is huge in
terms of trying to expand your fan base.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
That was the thing that I always to talk about.
People say, oh, well, you know, the baseball riders are
gonna say this. The baseball riders are gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Man if the baseball writers, for lack of a better term,
you know what I'm saying, come to the game and
enjoy what you want to enjoy. And I think that also,
and this is a very different thing that a lot
of people think about, but I'll say it this way.
Baseball is more than just the Big league's man. You know,
the World Baseball Classic showed that I get to a
lot of college baseball games. In general, the sport is
the sport because of where it rests globally, not just
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in your city, and that once MOLB figured out, you know,
maybe we shouldn't act like we're the only product.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
In town or on the world, you know, in the planet.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Then they kind of figured out that different people want
to come to the game.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Not everybody who likes baseball has to be a seam head.
As you said.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
People want to feel invited and welcome, and this unwritten
rules for part of things.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
That just made people feel like this is too stepid.
There's too much going on for me to actually care about. Now.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I work in Clinton ates from ESPN Radios with us
on ten to noon every day right here on ESPN
fifteen thirty on ESPN Radio. I live in a small market,
and you know, you've this has been amplified this past
offseason with what the Dodgers have done, and you have
folks in markets like this who go, well, we can
never do that. My counter to that is, well, forget
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the Dodgers, how about be the Brewers, how about beat them,
you know, figure out what they are. What do you
say to somebody in Cincinnati or Milwaukee or in another
similar type of market where they go, Look, I'm not
as in love with the sport as I used to
be because of that economic disadvantage that a team like,
for example, the Reds have had to deal with when
it comes to the bigger market clubs.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Well, I think that there's two things about that.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Number one is that I do think the concept of
an economic disadvantage is a bit of a cop out.
And the other reason is this because while there is
a disadvantage, it does not mean that teams are still
maximizing what they have in order to be the best
clubs that they can.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
People talk about, oh, there should be a salary cap.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
No, there should be a salary floor, is what there
should be to insist that teams are actually trying. And
I'm not saying the Reds are an example of this,
but when I look at teams like the Pirates or
the Marlins, some of these squads where you're like, these
owners are clearly just using their baseball teams as an
ATM machine and not trying to invest in the product,
And it hurts I totally understand if I lived in
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a market like that, or I worked for a team
like that or whatever, or like the team like that,
which I did.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
For a long time.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
The Washington Nationals come to mine from BC, and it's like, Yo,
just because you are at a disadvantage from somebody else
doesn't mean you can't try harder.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
And that's something that I don't know how to replace.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Greed is a hell of a factor when it comes
to these people. I've said over over and over again.
All I want is for owners who actually like their
sports to own the teams. That is the number one
thing that is going to motivate them to want to
be better, because other than that, it's just a way
to try to make.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Money and use it as a plaything.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
If you know, we've all done the what would you
do if you're a commissioner for a day, If if
you could implement one initiative, rule change, or just thing
in the sport, what would it be?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They'd be dropped.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Pitches are all runnable on as in, you can steal strike,
you can steal a base at any point during the
at bat. I know this sounds weird, but think about it.
You can go on drop third strikes. Why can't you
go on any other pitch from the plate? Now, the
strategy is you might not want to take the bat
out of your hand. You're not necessarily going to gain
a huge advantage by lumbering something big do down in
the first base who might get thrown out? But yeah,
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it would add a little element of change to be like, yo,
you snap off a sixty footer, I might be out
of here Jack.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You know what I'm saying. I think that would be
an interesting thing to.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Kind of mix up the game, add base running and strategy,
and also change the way that the.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Things the dynamic works between the batter and the catcher.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So you think our Reds have a chance in the central.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I think they have a chance in the central.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I think that they are also moving up on the
list of things that we like, which is.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Fun to watch, Yes, which is half the battle.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know what I'm saying, Like the way Ellie looks,
the way you know, I just I just feel that
the Reds are a team. Last year then when people
figured out who da Cruzmos, they were like WHOA Okay,
And if you add a little talents to that, you
add a little hope.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yeah, certainly got a chance, and at Paul Park, you
got a chance to do anything.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I have followed your work for a while. I did
not know until recently that you attended Miami University. Now
you're from d C. How did you find your way
to Oxford? My mom went there. That's pretty much all
that happens. She's from Kansas City, Missouri. I was very lucky.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I'll tell this story really quickly because I know you
guys are probably up against it. But I went there
and I got their sight unseen. I transferred there after
not working out another school on the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
My mom went there.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
It was sort of like a last chance on life
kind of thing to really get make sure I could
get to college when I was still of age to
be of a normal situation.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
The year that I got there, the excuse me.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
The fall that I got there was this fall that
nine to eleven head and I remember I was working
as a student broadcaster a WMSR doing color for football.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Games, and we were going to be off for two whole.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Weeks, and I was thinking to myself, Wow, that's a
long time, because football is pretty much so it makes
this town run on some level.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I wrote a column about it. I sent it to the.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Student paper that got printed verbatim, and was just like,
what do you got for me next week? So, as
it turned out, I was there also when one guy
by the name of Benjamin Todd Roethlisberger was there, so
I got to write about him and all those good teams,
and thus people knew who I was and pam next
thing I knew I.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Was in the age.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Wow, So did your mom? Does your mom from here?
Did she? She came from outside as well?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
In casey, she's in k c MO.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, she went to She went to Western when it
was the women's college on campus that is now part
of Miami University.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Wow, very good, All right, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I did not know that until maybe two or three
weeks ago, and I'm not even sure how it came up. Well,
it is Uh, it is great to have you on
our airwaves every day. I told folks, this show is
going to be a combination of smart and fun and
he's gonna work in baseball and you're gonna love it.
And the feedback I've gotten has been really, really good.
It is good to have you. Hopefully we can do
it again.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, listen, I always got love for Cincy. I want
to shout out my man, David Cox. He still lives there,
one of my roommates back from college.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Get after it, y'all. It's going to be a fun summer.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
On the Diamond. I hope so. Clinton, thanks so much,
no problem.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You'll hear Clint Yates tomorrow ten am till noon before
Sincy three to sixty. Clinton and Friends on ESPN Radio.
Obviously you might be aware we are in ESPN radio affiliate.
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