March 7, 2025 • 11 mins
Robert Weintraub writes a weekly Bengals column for Cincinnati Magazine during the season.
He joined us on ESPN1530 to discuss Trey Hendrickson's trade market and what's next for the Bengals.
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He joined us on ESPN1530 to discuss Trey Hendrickson's trade market and what's next for the Bengals.
Podcasts of The Mo Egger Radio Show are a service of Longnecks Sports Grill.
Listen to the show live weekday afternoons 3:00 - 6:00 on ESPN1530.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Twenty one after five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty
on Oeggar. Thank you for joining us today. You know,
during the football season, we chat on Thursdays at five
twenty with our friend Robert wintrub of Cincinnatimagazine dot Com,
FTN Fantasy and other outlets. And you know, as we've
been doing the show this afternoon, talking mostly about Trey
(00:22):
Hendrickson in the fact the Bengals have given him permission
to go find a trade. I look there on Twitter,
which is what I still call it, and Robert Wintraub
taking a bit of a victory lap. Hey, I told
mo this was gonna happen, so here we are. So
I shot back at him and said, well let's do
this on the air. So here he is.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
How's it going?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
When you call me in March bad things, it means
usually for the Bengals, And here we are. But you know, again,
like I can, as you point out, I had posted
on Twitter, which I still call it as well. I
don't think anybody will ever recall it. X. Yeah, see
this one coming, you know during the season really, which
is when we spoke about it, and right at the end,
(01:05):
certainly when we were already making.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Our twenty twenty five what did the Bengals look like?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Discussions happen, and you know, we sort of knew a
few facts, one of which was they were already in
the business probably of trying to pay Jamar and t both,
that they only had six draft picks, that they needed
a lot of help, especially on defense, and their main
trade asset was Trey Hendrickson. And also that he was
(01:31):
going to command a lot of money, and that he
was turning thirty years old, and that's at a point
where the Bengals don't necessarily like to pay their players
big money, and he was going to.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Want more than they most likely were going to want
to give them. I find it fascinating that we were at.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
This point last year, you remember, and Trey demanded a trade.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
This year it's I seek permission, and the Bengals granted it.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know, the verbiage is always so fascinating when it
comes out from the schefters and the pealisars via the agents.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I think we should keep that in mind first
and foremost.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Just because that he's seeking permission for a trade does
not mean that a trade has happened.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It doesn't mean the trade will necessarily happen.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I think Hendrickson may go out there and one or
two things may happen. A he may discover that nobody
is going to pay him in the vicinity of what
Max Crosby just got resigned for over thirty million dollars
a year, that they're just not get as productive as
Hendrickson has been. He's just not going to see that
kind of money given to a player of his age.
(02:32):
That's just the reality of the NFL. And you know,
the trade return may not really be in anywhere any way,
shape or form to what the Bengals would want. Trade
is under contract still for next year. I mean, he
can hold out, he can go into the corner and
hold his breath, he can do a lot of things.
But you know, he is a Bengal technically under contract
(02:55):
for next year, and we'll see what that how that
plays out. I would say it's still the more likely aspect,
as we've.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Said all along, that he does get traded and the
Bengals increased their their draft equity with the trade. And
it's a good time to do it because there's.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
A lot of defensive ends and a lot of defensive
linemen out there, and you just have to I hate
to draw an on like this, sorry, but I'm just
thinking about these things, and you know it's it's a
reactionary response.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
That's what the Bengals are.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
You know, every calls them cheap and short sighted and slow,
and you know all those things are true to an extent,
but really what they are is reactionary. Right, they make
the trade up for Kajana Carter and that blows up
in their face.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Never trade up in the draft again.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
They who They signed Antonio'bryant and he got hurt and
he never played, and they sat out a decade of
free agency. Right, and then they paid Geno Atkins and
Carlos Dunlap right around age thirty to big dollars relatively speaking,
and didn't get much.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Back in return.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And they're just you know, I mean, it's again. You
hate to bring it all back to Belichick, but here
it is again. Same with DJ Reader a year ago.
You don't pay for past performance. You let him go
a year too early, better that than a year too late.
It's already really been an outlier kind of situation with Trey.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I mean, I don't think anybody expected this kind.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Of high quality four years on from his original signing
and it's been just incredible what he's given the Bengals,
far out performing his contract.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And that's the course, the way the Bengals like it.
They've got such a huge bargain out.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Of him, and now would it behoove them to pay
extra for his declining years look at in that aspect,
probably not, So you understand where they're coming from as well.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, I do. I guess at the end of the day,
what I wonder is we've we've almost we've almost made
the conversation about how it's the worst thing in the
world to ask a player to play with one year
left under his contract, and for a franchise that I
think if the offseason has executed successfully, I believe can
(05:01):
be in a position to win the whole thing. And
with that being the objective here with Joe Burrow twenty
nine years old, it is is it that bad to
ask Trey Hendrickson to do exactly that and go have
a big year and if you want to do a
hold in, you want to do all that stuff, which
I acknowledge is is not ideal, but we would all
(05:22):
expect them to show up week one go have a
great year, help us win, and then either we'll revisit
this or you'll hit free agency and maybe have a
championship ring on your finger, Like why can't they do that?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, I think probably sort of behind the scenes, they
may have had a little bit of those discussions, and
I think, you know, that's.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Certainly what the Bengals would have preferred, obviously.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And I think if Hendrickson hadn't been so, you know,
incredibly good last year, if you hadn't led the league
in sex, like if you had just finished like fifth,
you know, this wouldn't be a discussion, like you had
a few extras grown on and he can like point
to it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's it's a counting.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Thing, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's like, yeah, it's so many. It's one of the
few defensive positions where you can really look at it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It's like the guys who get you know, super Bowl
MVP for returning having a couple of pick sixes in
the Super Bowl, right, and then they cash in with
that huge contract even though they're not that great, but
it's like, hey, I had to pick six in the
Zuper Bowl, it must be awesome. Same the year he's
like he let the league in Zacks, he must be awesome. Well, yeah,
he's awesome, but you know he's not thirty million dollars
(06:28):
a year awesome. Maybe not at this stage of his career.
And uh yeah, I mean, we have gotten to the
point where it seems like a slap in the face
to the player of God forbid they fulfill their contract,
and certainly the Bengals history is asking the players to
do just that for the most part.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Fill out your contract, play.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
To the end, earn every dollar that we've agreed to,
and then you know, we'll take it from there. I think,
you know, it makes what makes it hard is because
they see other teams, and especially you know, Philadelphia just
splashing money around like they're just you know, in the
in the champagne room, and you know, they wonder to themselves,
(07:05):
why can't the Bengals, at least, just one time, just
take care of a guy early or spend a little
bit extra. The month of the league is in such
an incredible place that it's hard for us to say
that overpaying.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
A little bit for a guy.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah all right, maybe you can add a little bit
extra to that last year of the contract, and maybe
both sides come out looking you know, every contract negotiation
doesn't have to be or one side gets pulled into
a fiery pit of death.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know that both sides can come out smiling at
the end of it. It's okay. I think that's where the.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Problem lies for most fans is that they see that
in the Bengals, even with Jamar right now and Tea,
it's like, we know it's gonna happen, and it seems
like they just are knuckle dragging and making everything a
little bit of it so difficult for reasons that most
of the fans really can't understand why.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I acknowledge that this is maybe not the easiest question
to answer, but I've got like a minute here. What
is fair return on a trade involving Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Well, you'd like to It kind of depends on the team.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Obviously, you'd think, you know, late first second rounder, late
first might be a bit optimistic. But it seemed like,
let's say Detroit, you know, they're thinking themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
What cost us last year was.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Passed rush after Aiden Hutchinson then went down, Let's get
ourselves a really damnit guy across from them, so we're
covered in case somebody does get hurt they pick you know,
whatever it is, twenty seven to twenty eight, something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's virtually a second rounder.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Anyway, when you get to that point, you're kind of
squinting hairs with it, except for that fifty year option
through basically the same pool of players. So I can
see something like that happening. If they wanted to go
that route, they could get maybe a late first round er,
most likely to get a second and maybe you know,
toss in another Day three pick just to just.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
To make it a little bit of an extra cherry.
You know. But again is going to come at the
other end.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
It's going to be what team is willing to really
write that huge check for Hendrickson and how much is
he willing to band. What we don't know is where
the contract, you know, where's the middle ground between Hendrickson
and the Bengals. You know, is it Are the Bengals
locked in and saying you gotta you know, take it
or leave it with this, you know, one year mini
bump that we're offering on top of next year and
(09:23):
that's it, or you know, can they find a bit
of gro hour, maybe they go two years, twenty five
or twenty four million per year and everybody walks away happy.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That would be nice. That would alleviate everybody's feelings. And
you know, we can go back to enjoying Trey Hendrickson
being the only quality defensive player on the defensive side
of the ball for Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Awesome to hear your voice in March, and maybe we'll talk.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I'm the four seasons, twelve months of.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Year kind of guest you are, and very last minute,
very last minute, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Always standing by with the batphone ready.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Just yes, we're on the erend. You're just you. You
have a thirst to talk to me, just shoot a
tweet out. We'll call you no matter what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
My first for talking to you is hardly ever sleeked,
but I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You're the best. Robert weinstrabs CINCINNA Magazine, FTN Fantasy. We
will switch gears. FC Cincinnati is getting set to host
Toronto Taylor Terrence will Tyler. Terrence will call that match
and he will join us next. My name is Maulweger.
It is twenty eight away from five o'clock. This is
(10:29):
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic from the UC Health
Traffic Center. When it comes to multiple sclerosis, trust the
experts at the UC Gardener Neuroscience Institute for Innovative and
Comprehensive Care. Learn more at UCHealth dot com. Northbound seventy
five approaching Mitchell Avenue, right lane blocked from an accident.
(10:55):
That's got traffic, Stuff and go from seventy four. It
is a ten minute delay. Over All, subound seventy five
traffic is stopping. Go from Western Avenue to Fort Washington Way.
I'm at ezalic with traffic.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
This report is sponsored by
Twenty one after five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty
on Oeggar. Thank you for joining us today. You know,
during the football season, we chat on Thursdays at five
twenty with our friend Robert wintrub of Cincinnatimagazine dot Com,
FTN Fantasy and other outlets. And you know, as we've
been doing the show this afternoon, talking mostly about Trey
(00:22):
Hendrickson in the fact the Bengals have given him permission
to go find a trade. I look there on Twitter,
which is what I still call it, and Robert Wintraub
taking a bit of a victory lap. Hey, I told
mo this was gonna happen, so here we are. So
I shot back at him and said, well let's do
this on the air. So here he is.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
How's it going?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
When you call me in March bad things, it means
usually for the Bengals, And here we are. But you know, again,
like I can, as you point out, I had posted
on Twitter, which I still call it as well. I
don't think anybody will ever recall it. X. Yeah, see
this one coming, you know during the season really, which
is when we spoke about it, and right at the end,
(01:05):
certainly when we were already making.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Our twenty twenty five what did the Bengals look like?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Discussions happen, and you know, we sort of knew a
few facts, one of which was they were already in
the business probably of trying to pay Jamar and t both,
that they only had six draft picks, that they needed
a lot of help, especially on defense, and their main
trade asset was Trey Hendrickson. And also that he was
(01:31):
going to command a lot of money, and that he
was turning thirty years old, and that's at a point
where the Bengals don't necessarily like to pay their players
big money, and he was going to.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Want more than they most likely were going to want
to give them. I find it fascinating that we were at.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
This point last year, you remember, and Trey demanded a trade.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
This year it's I seek permission, and the Bengals granted it.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know, the verbiage is always so fascinating when it
comes out from the schefters and the pealisars via the agents.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I think we should keep that in mind first
and foremost.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Just because that he's seeking permission for a trade does
not mean that a trade has happened.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It doesn't mean the trade will necessarily happen.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I think Hendrickson may go out there and one or
two things may happen. A he may discover that nobody
is going to pay him in the vicinity of what
Max Crosby just got resigned for over thirty million dollars
a year, that they're just not get as productive as
Hendrickson has been. He's just not going to see that
kind of money given to a player of his age.
(02:32):
That's just the reality of the NFL. And you know,
the trade return may not really be in anywhere any way,
shape or form to what the Bengals would want. Trade
is under contract still for next year. I mean, he
can hold out, he can go into the corner and
hold his breath, he can do a lot of things.
But you know, he is a Bengal technically under contract
(02:55):
for next year, and we'll see what that how that
plays out. I would say it's still the more likely aspect,
as we've.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Said all along, that he does get traded and the
Bengals increased their their draft equity with the trade. And
it's a good time to do it because there's.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
A lot of defensive ends and a lot of defensive
linemen out there, and you just have to I hate
to draw an on like this, sorry, but I'm just
thinking about these things, and you know it's it's a
reactionary response.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
That's what the Bengals are.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
You know, every calls them cheap and short sighted and slow,
and you know all those things are true to an extent,
but really what they are is reactionary. Right, they make
the trade up for Kajana Carter and that blows up
in their face.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Never trade up in the draft again.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
They who They signed Antonio'bryant and he got hurt and
he never played, and they sat out a decade of
free agency. Right, and then they paid Geno Atkins and
Carlos Dunlap right around age thirty to big dollars relatively speaking,
and didn't get much.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Back in return.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And they're just you know, I mean, it's again. You
hate to bring it all back to Belichick, but here
it is again. Same with DJ Reader a year ago.
You don't pay for past performance. You let him go
a year too early, better that than a year too late.
It's already really been an outlier kind of situation with Trey.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I mean, I don't think anybody expected this kind.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Of high quality four years on from his original signing
and it's been just incredible what he's given the Bengals,
far out performing his contract.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And that's the course, the way the Bengals like it.
They've got such a huge bargain out.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Of him, and now would it behoove them to pay
extra for his declining years look at in that aspect,
probably not, So you understand where they're coming from as well.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, I do. I guess at the end of the day,
what I wonder is we've we've almost we've almost made
the conversation about how it's the worst thing in the
world to ask a player to play with one year
left under his contract, and for a franchise that I
think if the offseason has executed successfully, I believe can
(05:01):
be in a position to win the whole thing. And
with that being the objective here with Joe Burrow twenty
nine years old, it is is it that bad to
ask Trey Hendrickson to do exactly that and go have
a big year and if you want to do a
hold in, you want to do all that stuff, which
I acknowledge is is not ideal, but we would all
(05:22):
expect them to show up week one go have a
great year, help us win, and then either we'll revisit
this or you'll hit free agency and maybe have a
championship ring on your finger, Like why can't they do that?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, I think probably sort of behind the scenes, they
may have had a little bit of those discussions, and
I think, you know, that's.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Certainly what the Bengals would have preferred, obviously.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And I think if Hendrickson hadn't been so, you know,
incredibly good last year, if you hadn't led the league
in sex, like if you had just finished like fifth,
you know, this wouldn't be a discussion, like you had
a few extras grown on and he can like point
to it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's it's a counting.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Thing, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's like, yeah, it's so many. It's one of the
few defensive positions where you can really look at it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It's like the guys who get you know, super Bowl
MVP for returning having a couple of pick sixes in
the Super Bowl, right, and then they cash in with
that huge contract even though they're not that great, but
it's like, hey, I had to pick six in the
Zuper Bowl, it must be awesome. Same the year he's
like he let the league in Zacks, he must be awesome. Well, yeah,
he's awesome, but you know he's not thirty million dollars
(06:28):
a year awesome. Maybe not at this stage of his career.
And uh yeah, I mean, we have gotten to the
point where it seems like a slap in the face
to the player of God forbid they fulfill their contract,
and certainly the Bengals history is asking the players to
do just that for the most part.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Fill out your contract, play.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
To the end, earn every dollar that we've agreed to,
and then you know, we'll take it from there. I think,
you know, it makes what makes it hard is because
they see other teams, and especially you know, Philadelphia just
splashing money around like they're just you know, in the
in the champagne room, and you know, they wonder to themselves,
(07:05):
why can't the Bengals, at least, just one time, just
take care of a guy early or spend a little
bit extra. The month of the league is in such
an incredible place that it's hard for us to say
that overpaying.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
A little bit for a guy.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah all right, maybe you can add a little bit
extra to that last year of the contract, and maybe
both sides come out looking you know, every contract negotiation
doesn't have to be or one side gets pulled into
a fiery pit of death.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know that both sides can come out smiling at
the end of it. It's okay. I think that's where the.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Problem lies for most fans is that they see that
in the Bengals, even with Jamar right now and Tea,
it's like, we know it's gonna happen, and it seems
like they just are knuckle dragging and making everything a
little bit of it so difficult for reasons that most
of the fans really can't understand why.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I acknowledge that this is maybe not the easiest question
to answer, but I've got like a minute here. What
is fair return on a trade involving Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Well, you'd like to It kind of depends on the team.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Obviously, you'd think, you know, late first second rounder, late
first might be a bit optimistic. But it seemed like,
let's say Detroit, you know, they're thinking themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
What cost us last year was.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Passed rush after Aiden Hutchinson then went down, Let's get
ourselves a really damnit guy across from them, so we're
covered in case somebody does get hurt they pick you know,
whatever it is, twenty seven to twenty eight, something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's virtually a second rounder.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Anyway, when you get to that point, you're kind of
squinting hairs with it, except for that fifty year option
through basically the same pool of players. So I can
see something like that happening. If they wanted to go
that route, they could get maybe a late first round er,
most likely to get a second and maybe you know,
toss in another Day three pick just to just.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
To make it a little bit of an extra cherry.
You know. But again is going to come at the
other end.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
It's going to be what team is willing to really
write that huge check for Hendrickson and how much is
he willing to band. What we don't know is where
the contract, you know, where's the middle ground between Hendrickson
and the Bengals. You know, is it Are the Bengals
locked in and saying you gotta you know, take it
or leave it with this, you know, one year mini
bump that we're offering on top of next year and
(09:23):
that's it, or you know, can they find a bit
of gro hour, maybe they go two years, twenty five
or twenty four million per year and everybody walks away happy.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That would be nice. That would alleviate everybody's feelings. And
you know, we can go back to enjoying Trey Hendrickson
being the only quality defensive player on the defensive side
of the ball for Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Awesome to hear your voice in March, and maybe we'll talk.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I'm the four seasons, twelve months of.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Year kind of guest you are, and very last minute,
very last minute, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Always standing by with the batphone ready.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Just yes, we're on the erend. You're just you. You
have a thirst to talk to me, just shoot a
tweet out. We'll call you no matter what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
My first for talking to you is hardly ever sleeked,
but I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You're the best. Robert weinstrabs CINCINNA Magazine, FTN Fantasy. We
will switch gears. FC Cincinnati is getting set to host
Toronto Taylor Terrence will Tyler. Terrence will call that match
and he will join us next. My name is Maulweger.
It is twenty eight away from five o'clock. This is
(10:29):
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic from the UC Health
Traffic Center. When it comes to multiple sclerosis, trust the
experts at the UC Gardener Neuroscience Institute for Innovative and
Comprehensive Care. Learn more at UCHealth dot com. Northbound seventy
five approaching Mitchell Avenue, right lane blocked from an accident.
(10:55):
That's got traffic, Stuff and go from seventy four. It
is a ten minute delay. Over All, subound seventy five
traffic is stopping. Go from Western Avenue to Fort Washington Way.
I'm at ezalic with traffic.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
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