April 3, 2025 • 33 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined to talk Trey v. Katie, the stadium situation, the Bengals' approach at guard, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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My thanks to Jeff Brendle who pinched it for me.
Yesterday was my opening day, like the real opening day.
I saw the Reds lose. I saw the Reds not
score a run, and we're gonna discuss the offensive woes,
(00:34):
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dot org. It's one of those days. It feels like
a Monday because we had a very very very very
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very short show on Tuesday because we were on after
use his game in the Crown, and I was off yesterday.
So I'm a little discombobulated, so to speak. But we
do have with us in studio because he wasn't with
us on Tuesday because he was in Palm Beach. He
was at the owners meetings. But he's here today from
the Athletic in the Groundard podcast Paul Danner Junior High.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
In case you're not feeling discombobulated enough, I'm here on
a Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Maybe, I think is the first time I've ever been
on this show with you on a Thursday. It's it
might wait to go back through the records, Tarren, Yeah, Terribill,
Teraryen will, We'll go through. I don't know that that
is ever happening. I don't know if it has either,
But I'm happy. I'm happy to do it. I'm happy
to be here. I feel like I feel like I've
got lots of things. I got lots of thoughts in
my head to you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You know, you come back from something like what happened
in uh in Palm Beach, and uh, there's there's a
there's a lot that you don't even have a chance
to get off your chest because everybody's talking about a
couple of the bigger stories that came out of there.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
So I think there's a lot of ground for us
to cover.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's it's a little rare that like the team that
made makes the most noise of the team that gets
talked about the most at that thing is.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The Bengals, not anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Everywhere where you go, this seems like this is the
way it is, right Yeah, you know, I was sort
of I actually was just writing this as sort of
the lead of sort of things I'm hearing story it's
gonna be up tomorrow, the lead being like, you're kind
of getting used to the Bengals becoming the most talked
about thing everywhere they go right now, because even you know,
no matter where it is, it seems that days later
(02:26):
they tend to be this resounding storyline of whether it's
been t and Jamar or Trey or the stadium or
whatever else then happens on Pat McAfee, it's like, uh,
it just seems like it's.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Kind of following them right now. Well, we knew the
off season was gonna be like this. They had a
combustible off season in front of them.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, and it's combusting.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It's combusting. Yes, and I'm here for it. I'm here
for it. I'm so excited. There's so much. I guess
let's begin with what I think for most people was
the big story out of the owners meetings as it
relates to the Bengals, which was Katie Blackburn on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, were you? Were you surprised at what she said?
Were you surprised that she took what, I think privately
has been a stance that most of us have understood.
This is their stance, that this is their stances is
well known, right, Like Trey's been offered a contract, he
could take it or leave it. He's under contract this year.
This is where we are. But it wasn't surprising at
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all to you to hear her articulate her thoughts the
way she did.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I mean, I don't think it was probably the cleanest
messaging that you'd want, But I don't think the messaging
was inherently off. I think there is a bit of
exhaustion with this, not just from you and me, And
I'm not exhausted.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, you want more.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
You've got to find some way to replace t Higgins
that for years filled this this space with Somebody k
new so, but I think from their perspective, it's like,
this is the Trey Hendrickson experience, this is what it
is every year for I mean, he wasn't lying when
he said for three years. For three years he's been
making demands and being they use the word passionate about
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trays please and being you know, whether it's threats I'm
missing air quotes around that about what could happen or
distractions and all of that and wanting more money and
this happening in the offseason, and then a lot of times,
I don't know if you want to call it calling
their bluff or actually getting an extension signed, or whatever's
happening right now has worked itself out and he's played great.
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They've gone through this year after year after year with
Trey Hendrickson, and so I think the point that Katie's
making is we're going to continue to handle us the
same way that we have now. I understand him having
issue taking issue with it, and he has every right
for that. But I think that they're saying, we're offering
you more money, we're offering you an extension. There's something
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at some point, and this is true in every negotiation
anywhere in any business. At some point both sides do
have to decide if this makes them happy or not.
Trey has an option to say this doesn't make me happy,
I'll play out the remaining year and go be free.
The same way when he made the biggest mistake he's
made in all of this. A couple of years ago,
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he took the deal instead of saying I'll play it
out and then could have hit free agency this past offseason,
but the number one free agent on the market and
have gotten more than Milton Williams and all of those
people did out there, could have had that right, chose
not to do so. And so you can find whatever
that is for you, whatever your happiness level is. So
(05:38):
I understand what maybe Katie was trying to stay there. Yeah,
and I understand the reaction of Trey being mad about
someone telling him what makes me happy and what the
market really is and what I deserve. I get all
of it, because the other part of this is he
is saying, I'm trying to help you guys, like, if
you don't want to give me the money somebody does,
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go get some picks for him, go trade. And and
the word around Palm Beach was the Bengals have never
really been really that dedicated to trying to trade Trey Hendrickson,
Like that's never really felt from other teams that they're
trying to And maybe that's posturing in the trade, but
that's the vibe that's out there, and so when that,
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when both those things are happening, you understand Hendrickson's frustration,
and round and round we go.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You just hate when it's public and it just goes on,
and I.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Love it when it's public. I'm I'm I'm here for it.
I want more of it. But my take with this
all along has been I don't blame either side, no,
but what did happen is impossible for me to ignore.
And what did happen is what you just talked about.
Trey Hendrickson signed to play for the Cincinnati Bengals in
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twenty twenty five when he could have said, screw it,
I'm going to hit free agency at the end of
the twenty twenty four season. Well that that decision has consequences,
and one of those consequences is he is stuck playing
here at the mercy of the Bengals and they could
do whatever they want with him. In the short term,
he missed a chance to hit free agency when he
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willingly signed a contract to play here. Now, in the
short term, he had the security of the twenty twenty
five season, a boatload of cash, But there is a
long term consequence. He knew that going in So if
we're making about making it about taking sides, which many
are like, I understand Trey wants as much money as possible.
He's a great player. He's the greatest free agent acquisition
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in franchise history. I don't blame him, But buddy, you
did sign that contract. Yeah, and when you signed that contract,
you signed up for whatever came with it.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Had you had a four sacks season last year, well, hey,
look I'm under contract. I'm making the sixteen million dollars
whatever it is for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Right, good for you. You did it, Go ahead and
do better this year. Well, he did end up having
a great season last year. He knew that was a possibility,
and he knew if that was a possibility. Then along
with that came the fact that he, you know, was
gonna miss out on a chance to go hit the
open market. He knew that then. So I don't feel
bad for.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Him now, No, no, but he you know, loyalty wouldn't
have gone both ways. If he would have had a
one sax season and was terrible, the Bengals would have
cut him and he never would have gotten Seemingly that's
part of the contract too. Sure, but my thing is
from a Bengals perspective where I think that they have
botched this most is and I think this goes for
everything that they've done.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
There's just been no decisiveness. What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And I mean that in like a very specific way,
what art like? What is the plan here? Because the
meandering into free agency of the Tea and Jamar deals
and what was very specific. I thought this was maybe
the most underdisgusting that Katie said with us, and I
haven't hardly seen this her admitting the t and Jamar
deals took free agency essentially off the table for them,
admitting that it shifted everything and say so, if that
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was the case, then getting those done before that, so
you could have had a clearer plan in free agency,
having a clearer plan with Trey Hendrickson the Sunday before
the negotiating window began, we have all the best offers
in front of us. We know what it's gonna take
to sign Trey Hendrickson. Let's make a clear to Let's
either trade him for the best thing that's out there
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right now and do that and then fix the pass
rushing free agency, or let's say we're gonna we're gonna
deal with Trey, or we're gonna get a deal with
Trey and find a way to make that happen along
with all get all of it settled.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
There were months years.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, to get that stuff settled before the time where
you could easily plug the gaps that exist with whatever
side of the decision you make. And now they're at
a side where we have talked about this. You're going
into the draft and you're like, gosh, they don't have
enough pass rush. They need a linebacker, they need a safety,
they need a guard, they need a swing tackle, and
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you and you don't feel like you checked any of
those boxes. And it just it felt very rudderless, planless.
And that's how you when you're plan less, what happens
frustration from people that want to know your plan, voiced
publicly on the Pat mcafie show. Uh in the soap
opera zone and that's what you end up getting it
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and you're in it now. And maybe that's maybe that
was part of their plan the whole time. I don't
know that that's necessarily the case, but you're that's their mistake.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's what's landed them in this same place as well.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, Uh, do you or do the Bengals believe that
Trey Hendrickson will willingly miss games if a deal doesn't
get done.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think it's something that's really easy for him in
his camp to say.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
On where April third. I.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I think they have been down this road before, these demands,
and you know, threats have been made before, and he's
played and the best way for him to I guess
amend for the mistake he made a couple of years ago,
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would be to play out this year and get to
free agency as soon as you can. Have another great
season and get to free agency as soon as you
can if you're not willing to take whatever the Bengals
end up having on the table, as you've used the
best officer like that, that is, that's that's it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And so.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Does it help him to go full Napalming like we
saw happen last year?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
What was it with son Reddick.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Or not?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Whoever? That was? Yes? To go do that?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Is it? Does that help? Did that help Sonreddick? No?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Go out there and play great again?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And I think they're betting on that the same way
they've kind of bet on that in recent years, or
maybe that eventually Trey will come around and say something
that I've been saying that yeah, it's it might suck
to feel like you could have gotten more and that
you miss this opportunity, but this is your moment to
get the most value that you'll have in the rest
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of your career. And whatever is on the table that
might be frustrating, it might be disrespected by it, but
you got to say to yourself at a certain point,
is that better than being forced to go do it
again for just sixteen million dollars and hoping that I
do and that my value is still there next year
when I'm a year older in free agency.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think they're.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Betting on knowing where his opinion might land on that
eventually too, So don't I don't think he'll miss games,
but I understand that the messaging from his side right
now is very much a willingness to do so.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Joe Burrow took the t Higgins thing into a different
direction last December ninth, right we've discussed that at nauseum.
Bengals players come back for the off season program April
to twenty first. I'm guessing at some point within that timeframe,
Joe Burrow is going to talk to you guys, could
you see this getting accelerated if Joe Burrow decides, all right,
(13:00):
my new cause celeb is getting Trey Hendrickson paid, a
guy that he has talked about, though not as effusively
as he talked about t Higgins.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Have they already signed a guard at that point, because
I think he might bet on his own protection before that, right,
you know, there's a self preservation mode to this. And
if he's looking at that situation and he's saying, look,
if we're talking about where the money needs to go
and you're really picking between X and Y, and I'm
not saying that it should be that way. I'm saying
if that's how it's viewed, then I think he's probably
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gonna have more interest in his protection. And that's no
disrespect to Trey. I just think that's probably what Joe's
opinion would be. This is me speaking on just yeah,
the thought of the current landscape.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But Zach Taylor last week or Tuesday Breakfast without Breakfast,
which is a different story, said we're kind of done
at guard.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
In free agency? Yeah, until the draft, Until the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, so the players show up before the draft. Yeah, Again,
I'm imagining at some point you guys are to get
a crack of talking to Joe Burrow, Someone's gonna ask
him about Trey Hendrickson. Could Joe kind of do with
Trey what he did with t.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I think he could try.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I but that doesn't necessarily mean
that anything's gonna get done. I just think that what's
needed to be said and what's gotten that to the
point that it's hit now is all there, like everybody
knows what it is. It's almost like a couple of
weeks ago, wherever it was we talked about how it's
all the cards have been on the table. I just
think it's all out there, like we know that he
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wanted it, but it becomes a matter of here's all
the things that are in front of them. I still
think that t and Jamar was really what this whole
thing was all about for him, t mostly, and so
I think that his tone will be interesting, how aggressive
it is. Are we gonna get the need thing? Are
we gonna get are we gonna yeah? That'd be nice,
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or I hope they figure it out, or I'd love
to have Trey. Of course, there's there's you know, ten
different layers of how how much that Cancun. I don't know.
I don't know if he'll take that on again. I
think that his main concern will be the line in
front of him.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Paul Danner Junior covers the Bengals for The Athletic as
well as the Growler Podcast. By the way, within the
Growler podcast network, you have power stacks. Yes. Charlie Goldsmith
Brian Geeson's log on All Things Reds.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
New episode Up the Day on the power outage that
happened the last couple of days. But you know, kind
of weighing how serious to take it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Actually it was a really great smart conversation, as you
might expect from Charlie and bright On.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I got about that. I go listen to that. Nineteen
minutes after three o'clock. I got a question here, this
question I don't think was aimed at you and I,
but I got this question here on social media, and
I'm going to ask you the question that I got
here from Ronnie Smith on social media.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I try not to we're gonna go down that road
we're taking. We're taking questions off the internets. So I
was going to ask you this doesn't make fun of
my appearing does it. No, have you seen at bald
Daaner Junior.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, similar to Toeger.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I think maybe the same guy owns both Toegger and
bald Daaner Man, which which is great, which I would
have a lot of respect for.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, so maybe that could happen.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's where's from perfect, very good. We'll check that out
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Speaker 2 (16:58):
This three five after three, This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
It's a Thursday. Paul Danner Junior is usually here on Tuesday,
but we didn't really have a show on Tuesday, and
Paul was in Palm Beach. What is it like to
cover the owner's meetings?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You take a league that has made so many people
so wealthy, right, and then you take them trying to
find a way to treat those wealthy people to an
experience that feels even above their normal means, and you
get the breakers, which is it's just I mean, we
were they have what you know, a reception to one
(17:34):
of the times that the media is kind of truly
are out allowed to go in and make them be
part of the experience, and you know, I actually I
actually almost ran into Roger Goodell. He's on the other
side of a column as he tried to come out,
and I like almost bumped shoulders with them. And then
right after that, I was standing right in front of
Guy Fieri came walking into the pillody and then about
(17:57):
twenty minutes later, I'm eating you know, the delicious uh
grouper and crabcake and this risotto that they had mixed
up in a cheese bowl for you, specifically in front
of you, and Serena Williams came walking right by me
and you're just.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Like, as just ridiculous, What am I doing?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
What was Serena Williams doing at the NFL's owners It's.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
A good question. I don't want to say specifically because
I don't know. I thought it was something to do
with maybe a minority ownership situation or connection with the
minority owner. I don't know specifically, other than everyone was
very much in awe despite a lot of very very
very famous people and rich people being in the building.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Everyone was like Serena because she's awesome. Cool.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I don't know how things work at the Athletic. If
the Bengals move, will you move with them.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
To Kentucky County?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I grew up, I grew up out there.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, I don't know Warren County.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I got a name. I got a tweet here from
Ronnie Ronnie Smith or the Bengal leaving after twenty twenty six,
this was one of the time what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Leaving leaving where?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Leaving downtown?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Leaving downtown is in places. I mean, it.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Would not be a quick process, right, but it would
be the beginning of that process going in motion could
start here soon. I would so I technically not leaving
in twenty but you could see that. You know what,
Look what's happened in Chicago right now. Right every every
year at the league meetings, they're like settling on a
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different place. They're gonna be downtown, They're gonna be at
this place. They're gonna be Island. This year was they're
going out to Arlington Heights. Kansas City is looking at
They're gonna maybe go they didn't get the votes. They're
gonna go from Missouri to Kansas Cleveland. Everyone's sueing everyone.
They're gonna go to Brook Park. This stuff's happening everywhere.
This is what's happening. And when it comes to these stadiums,
when it comes to getting whether it's renovations or billion
(19:53):
dollar mechas, this is. These are the fights and and
the battles that happen across the league. They're sort of
it's weird, there's this building boom happening right now. Everybody's
in these situations. A third of the league really has
some kind of a stadium situation that's either in the
process or or where the Bengals are with it, so
leaving the city is not a thing. But I think
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when you look around at all that's happening in the
league and all the ways that teams are utilizing ways
to get what they want, it's in play. I mean,
it's always in play to say, hey, is there another
county that haven't has interest here and doing some of
these other things that you've seen. Maybe there could be
a lot of state money involved in it if you
did do it or whatever. That is what was clear
(20:37):
from Katie, and I know I'm kind of going off
tangent with the actual question. I would not follow the
Bengals if they left Cincinnaties for the record, in case
anybody cares.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
But I also would not know this is where I am.
I would be happy to come from.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I don't know what I would be doing for a living,
but I also don't matter.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
You know, whatever, you'll find something, You'll figure something out.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's doubtful, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
But you know, I just think right now, you get
into the Bengals are in a situation with this, say
they want to be I do believe that, like I
do believe what Katie was saying, which has been just
ripped far out of context in a lot of different
places right now. Is that their sole focus right now
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is that June thirty deadline and finding a way to
put agreement in place that can make this happen. Downtown
it is where they want to be. They want to
stay downtown. They want a reasonable renovation of that facility
that can keep it going similarly as it's gone for decades.
That's what I do, one hundred percent on a quickly
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believe that's what they want.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Do we all see the irony of them asking for
more urgency from someone else in a negotiation?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
We sure do. We sure do that that is the best,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
But I do think that the end is that they
do want to continue to see out everything that has
been created down on the banks and being a part
of that, and they they like that. I one hundred
percent believe that it just was does it. I don't
know if it gets done, And I don't know if
it's fair to ask for urgency from the commissioners because
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we don't know the back room of what's going on.
We have emails that have emerged over in previous months,
but like we don't know specifically who's really dragging their
feet and who's not. All I know is I do
believe them when they say that their goal with one
hundred percent is to stay here downtown in Cincinnati and
not have to start looking into those other avenues that
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could exist.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But when we talk about them moving, the move is
within this area. Yeah, nobody's talking about them moving to
Mexico City or Toronto or Saint Louis or anywhere like that,
or London like that's that's not that.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
This isn't I remember the mid nineties. I mean I
remember Mike Brown going to Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
We're not doing Baltimore as We're not talking about that though, right,
We're talking about Warren County or Kentucky or mid the
relocation feel too, yeah exactly. I mean, okay, so now
tell me this and I this is my least favorite topic,
so I'm loath to bring it up, but it was
one of the headlines you wrote about it from the
the uh Katie Blackburn availability in Palm Beach. There's this
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June thirtieth deadline, right, and so this deadline is the
date at which they County can exercise a two year
rolling extension. Right, a two year extension of the currently
the Bengals. Yeah right, Okay, I hate this topic. I
don't want to understand. I know, I know it's politics
(23:44):
and I hate politics. Yeah yeah, So the county has
to enact this extensions the Bengals do. Okay, if we
get to June thirtieth, then there's been no they have
an exercise the option to extend this lease than.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What then the lease would They'd have but two June thirtieth,
twenty twenty six to complete it or it totally expires.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So now there's two ways to look at this. You
could look at it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
If they hit the extension, it means they don't think
anything's gonna happen soon, and they're gonna use those two
years added on to start exploring other possibilities. The best
way for this to go is that they have an
agreement close or in place at that date, and so
they know that they just have a year to finish
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it off and get it done before everything totally expires.
But this is kind of a moment in time here,
I think on that it just to kind of truly
dumb it down, just know that it's important moment to
try to have some understanding that something is in place,
and if not, then you know you can. Then you
can start seeing what's happening in a lot of these
other cities, start to happen here where you start to
(24:52):
have talks about other places and land out in counties
and whatever that's happening all over the league.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Already bored with the time understandable. I did it.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I'm a you know going around the league a lot,
and you do too.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I love downtown stadiums, yes, like I. I loathe when
we have to go somewhere like Kansas City or going
out to Arlington in Dallas or any number of these places.
It sucks. It's not it's not a fun experience. You
don't feel like it just doesn't. None of it feels right.
And I love going to Baltimore. I I love going
(25:27):
to places like Pittsburgh with the Dead, like all of
these places that truly have a downtown experience that the
city feels a part of. And kudos to the fact
that the Bengals have kept their facilities down there and
kept all the players and the taxes associated and everything
else in Hamilton County, understanding the importance of that, rather
than doing what so many teams have done and just
having their practice facilities and everything and then basically you know,
(25:50):
being out in whatever Mason, Milford or wherever. So kuzm
on that, but I just I like that, like I
like the downtown feel. I think they do too. I
think it's great for the city. And that's what I
care about most is is this the city keeping the
feel I think that it has. I think there's there's
just something special to what they what is going on
(26:10):
down at the banks, even though they somehow still haven't
totally finished the project and we're talking about renegotiating at least.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I just it needs to stay like.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
That, and I hate going places where it's somewhere out
in the middle of nowhere. And that's becoming this trend
because you can build these, you know, complexes with entertainment
districts and whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It's like part of the new future of the NFL
that I don't buy into, the same way the Browns
shouldn't be playing in a dome. Danner hates Mason. That's
what I grew up in Mason. I love Mason. I'm
a Mason guy. Shout out Saint Susanna in the house.
I'm totally with you. Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Just I don't like this.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I don't like it either. I hate talking about it.
I hate that's a thing. But here we are.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
We are. It's a thing. I acknowledge its significance. Yeah,
I acknowledge its significance. I just I remember the one
thirty years ago and how unfun it was, and it
resulted in the Bengals getting a stadium, and the Bengals
getting a stadium resulted in a lot of cool things
happening downtown, which we all love. But I remember that
and I remember how unfun it was, and I liked fun.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, this is not the fun part of it.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Oh, pretty much everything happening right now is not the
fun part of sports. Yeah, Like, we haven't even we're
how far are we in here? Thirty five minutes in here?
We haven't even talked about the draft yet. It's three
weeks from tonight.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
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Speaker 1 (28:42):
You can be here on Tuesday. Oh yeah, I'm here
on Tuesday. We need to get back to normal, get
it back to normal. Too many things there.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Back into the swing of things back on Tuesday, a right,
So that'll give us Tuesday is the eighth, the fifteenth,
and the twenty second to exhaust every conceivable draft topic
there is. Okay, good, We were just talking about this
off here. There have been so many other things going on.
And I said this to a couple of other people
who also cover the team, like, I've barely paid attention
(29:08):
to the draft. Yeah, I've barely paid attention to mock
drafts or draft possibilities. Here's what I do know. It
feels like they're playing with fire at guard.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah. Yes, here's why it feels hotter than that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
In my opinion, after this week, they seem to feel
kind of content about where they're at, and I think
I tried to relay that in the story I really
on Tuesday. I think they view it as you know,
and look, they're not signing another free agent between now
and that caught a lot of fire on the internet.
I think they feel like they can pinpoint and find
(29:43):
a guy who can, at the very least compete in
a better perspective, be locked in as day one starter
at one of those two positions in this draft, whether
it be at seventeen or at forty nine or some
other combination. And I think that's true. And then the
and then I think you they certainly feel okay with
(30:06):
the competition between the other four that are currently there
and whatever else maybe could get thrown in afterwards. I
think the problem becomes their drafting history. There something that
you know. Zach Taylor admitted, Yeah, there's truth to what's
happened there. The fact is, since you're gonna read my life,
I was gonna need to say it, or you can
read it.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Every time the Bengals gave one of their offensive line
draft picks a second contract, was twenty eleven fourth round
or Clinton Bowling. They have drafted twenty offensive lineman. Since
that's fact. These are facts.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Now, Trey Hopkins was undrafted, right, so he doesn't. I mean,
I'm not accounting fair fair, that's it. Though, that's staggering.
That is staggering, daggering. Maybe a Marius Mims breaks that right.
We don't know, hope. So, but that is these are
the facts of the case. They are undisputed, and you're
talking about a team that has not in round two, three,
four been able to find real solution that have proved
(31:01):
lasting when really the rest of the league has done
it with some level of success. That's a problem. The
other thing is that's part of this is that I
think that you know, if you read the tea leaves
and you kind of look at it, I think that
they're targeting tackle as well here because they have one.
They still don't really have a swing tackle right Okay,
(31:22):
they are two years away from Orlando Brown being a
free agent, okay, at left tackle, so you can, to me,
the perfect situation is someone like a Kelvin Banks from
Texas who could come in guard today, tackle the future.
If something happened to Mims or Brown right now, could
kick outside and be okay there and then your other
competition guys screwed up and play guard. I don't disagree
(31:43):
with that strategy. It's just a matter of if that's
where it ends up going. But tackle is on the mind.
I think at this point too. It's certainly not a
forgotten position. If you look at kind of what they're doing,
and both guys they have talked to and brought in
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You've not even done your first macht your first.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
One point, Oh, did come out?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I did? I did?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I did point five? I did point seventy five sounded
less prepared for did come out after free agency? And
I had Mike Green the edgeress Oh yes, yes, yes,
from Yah Marshall.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I did read that. Yes, And Dan Burglar's Beast comes
out next Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
That's really when it starts, though, Like when the Beast
comes out, everyone is fully okay. Draft is like all
the way here, even for the people that only kind
of pay attention to it.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Right, all right, Well Tuesday, we'll uh, we got much more.
I have a lot of more thoughts unless Trey Hendrickson
says anything else. Yeah, I guess I don't really Well,
thank you for carrying me this segment. I didn't know
how the least roll over worked. I forgot about draft
one point. Oh, it's all right whatever.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday will be back.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Tuesday will be normal swing of things on Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Maybe that were awesome. I don't know about that always.
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So I'm a little discombobulated, so to speak. But we
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Speaker 1 (01:17):
In case you're not feeling discombobulated enough, I'm here on
a Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Maybe, I think is the first time I've ever been
on this show with you on a Thursday. It's it
might wait to go back through the records, Tarren, Yeah, Terribill,
Teraryen will, We'll go through. I don't know that that
is ever happening. I don't know if it has either,
But I'm happy. I'm happy to do it. I'm happy
to be here. I feel like I feel like I've
got lots of things. I got lots of thoughts in
my head to you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You know, you come back from something like what happened
in uh in Palm Beach, and uh, there's there's a
there's a lot that you don't even have a chance
to get off your chest because everybody's talking about a
couple of the bigger stories that came out of there.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
So I think there's a lot of ground for us
to cover.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's it's a little rare that like the team that
made makes the most noise of the team that gets
talked about the most at that thing is.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The Bengals, not anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Everywhere where you go, this seems like this is the
way it is, right Yeah, you know, I was sort
of I actually was just writing this as sort of
the lead of sort of things I'm hearing story it's
gonna be up tomorrow, the lead being like, you're kind
of getting used to the Bengals becoming the most talked
about thing everywhere they go right now, because even you know,
no matter where it is, it seems that days later
(02:26):
they tend to be this resounding storyline of whether it's
been t and Jamar or Trey or the stadium or
whatever else then happens on Pat McAfee, it's like, uh,
it just seems like it's.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Kind of following them right now. Well, we knew the
off season was gonna be like this. They had a
combustible off season in front of them.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, and it's combusting.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It's combusting. Yes, and I'm here for it. I'm here
for it. I'm so excited. There's so much. I guess
let's begin with what I think for most people was
the big story out of the owners meetings as it
relates to the Bengals, which was Katie Blackburn on Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, were you? Were you surprised at what she said?
Were you surprised that she took what, I think privately
has been a stance that most of us have understood.
This is their stance, that this is their stances is
well known, right, Like Trey's been offered a contract, he
could take it or leave it. He's under contract this year.
This is where we are. But it wasn't surprising at
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all to you to hear her articulate her thoughts the
way she did.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I mean, I don't think it was probably the cleanest
messaging that you'd want, But I don't think the messaging
was inherently off. I think there is a bit of
exhaustion with this, not just from you and me, And
I'm not exhausted.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, you want more.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
You've got to find some way to replace t Higgins
that for years filled this this space with Somebody k
new so, but I think from their perspective, it's like,
this is the Trey Hendrickson experience, this is what it
is every year for I mean, he wasn't lying when
he said for three years. For three years he's been
making demands and being they use the word passionate about
(04:07):
trays please and being you know, whether it's threats I'm
missing air quotes around that about what could happen or
distractions and all of that and wanting more money and
this happening in the offseason, and then a lot of times,
I don't know if you want to call it calling
their bluff or actually getting an extension signed, or whatever's
happening right now has worked itself out and he's played great.
(04:31):
They've gone through this year after year after year with
Trey Hendrickson, and so I think the point that Katie's
making is we're going to continue to handle us the
same way that we have now. I understand him having
issue taking issue with it, and he has every right
for that. But I think that they're saying, we're offering
you more money, we're offering you an extension. There's something
(04:54):
at some point, and this is true in every negotiation
anywhere in any business. At some point both sides do
have to decide if this makes them happy or not.
Trey has an option to say this doesn't make me happy,
I'll play out the remaining year and go be free.
The same way when he made the biggest mistake he's
made in all of this. A couple of years ago,
(05:15):
he took the deal instead of saying I'll play it
out and then could have hit free agency this past offseason,
but the number one free agent on the market and
have gotten more than Milton Williams and all of those
people did out there, could have had that right, chose
not to do so. And so you can find whatever
that is for you, whatever your happiness level is. So
(05:38):
I understand what maybe Katie was trying to stay there. Yeah,
and I understand the reaction of Trey being mad about
someone telling him what makes me happy and what the
market really is and what I deserve. I get all
of it, because the other part of this is he
is saying, I'm trying to help you guys, like, if
you don't want to give me the money somebody does,
(06:00):
go get some picks for him, go trade. And and
the word around Palm Beach was the Bengals have never
really been really that dedicated to trying to trade Trey Hendrickson,
Like that's never really felt from other teams that they're
trying to And maybe that's posturing in the trade, but
that's the vibe that's out there, and so when that,
(06:21):
when both those things are happening, you understand Hendrickson's frustration,
and round and round we go.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You just hate when it's public and it just goes on,
and I.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Love it when it's public. I'm I'm I'm here for it.
I want more of it. But my take with this
all along has been I don't blame either side, no,
but what did happen is impossible for me to ignore.
And what did happen is what you just talked about.
Trey Hendrickson signed to play for the Cincinnati Bengals in
(06:52):
twenty twenty five when he could have said, screw it,
I'm going to hit free agency at the end of
the twenty twenty four season. Well that that decision has consequences,
and one of those consequences is he is stuck playing
here at the mercy of the Bengals and they could
do whatever they want with him. In the short term,
he missed a chance to hit free agency when he
(07:12):
willingly signed a contract to play here. Now, in the
short term, he had the security of the twenty twenty
five season, a boatload of cash, But there is a
long term consequence. He knew that going in So if
we're making about making it about taking sides, which many
are like, I understand Trey wants as much money as possible.
He's a great player. He's the greatest free agent acquisition
(07:34):
in franchise history. I don't blame him, But buddy, you
did sign that contract. Yeah, and when you signed that contract,
you signed up for whatever came with it.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Had you had a four sacks season last year, well, hey,
look I'm under contract. I'm making the sixteen million dollars
whatever it is for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Right, good for you. You did it, Go ahead and
do better this year. Well, he did end up having
a great season last year. He knew that was a possibility,
and he knew if that was a possibility. Then along
with that came the fact that he, you know, was
gonna miss out on a chance to go hit the
open market. He knew that then. So I don't feel
bad for.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Him now, No, no, but he you know, loyalty wouldn't
have gone both ways. If he would have had a
one sax season and was terrible, the Bengals would have
cut him and he never would have gotten Seemingly that's
part of the contract too. Sure, but my thing is
from a Bengals perspective where I think that they have
botched this most is and I think this goes for
everything that they've done.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
There's just been no decisiveness. What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And I mean that in like a very specific way,
what art like? What is the plan here? Because the
meandering into free agency of the Tea and Jamar deals
and what was very specific. I thought this was maybe
the most underdisgusting that Katie said with us, and I
haven't hardly seen this her admitting the t and Jamar
deals took free agency essentially off the table for them,
admitting that it shifted everything and say so, if that
(08:57):
was the case, then getting those done before that, so
you could have had a clearer plan in free agency,
having a clearer plan with Trey Hendrickson the Sunday before
the negotiating window began, we have all the best offers
in front of us. We know what it's gonna take
to sign Trey Hendrickson. Let's make a clear to Let's
either trade him for the best thing that's out there
(09:19):
right now and do that and then fix the pass
rushing free agency, or let's say we're gonna we're gonna
deal with Trey, or we're gonna get a deal with
Trey and find a way to make that happen along
with all get all of it settled.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
There were months years.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, to get that stuff settled before the time where
you could easily plug the gaps that exist with whatever
side of the decision you make. And now they're at
a side where we have talked about this. You're going
into the draft and you're like, gosh, they don't have
enough pass rush. They need a linebacker, they need a safety,
they need a guard, they need a swing tackle, and
(09:54):
you and you don't feel like you checked any of
those boxes. And it just it felt very rudderless, planless.
And that's how you when you're plan less, what happens
frustration from people that want to know your plan, voiced
publicly on the Pat mcafie show. Uh in the soap
opera zone and that's what you end up getting it
(10:16):
and you're in it now. And maybe that's maybe that
was part of their plan the whole time. I don't
know that that's necessarily the case, but you're that's their mistake.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's what's landed them in this same place as well.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, Uh, do you or do the Bengals believe that
Trey Hendrickson will willingly miss games if a deal doesn't
get done.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think it's something that's really easy for him in
his camp to say.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
On where April third. I.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I think they have been down this road before, these demands,
and you know, threats have been made before, and he's
played and the best way for him to I guess
amend for the mistake he made a couple of years ago,
(11:06):
would be to play out this year and get to
free agency as soon as you can. Have another great
season and get to free agency as soon as you
can if you're not willing to take whatever the Bengals
end up having on the table, as you've used the
best officer like that, that is, that's that's it.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And so.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Does it help him to go full Napalming like we
saw happen last year?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
What was it with son Reddick.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Or not?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Whoever? That was? Yes? To go do that?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Is it? Does that help? Did that help Sonreddick? No?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Go out there and play great again?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
And I think they're betting on that the same way
they've kind of bet on that in recent years, or
maybe that eventually Trey will come around and say something
that I've been saying that yeah, it's it might suck
to feel like you could have gotten more and that
you miss this opportunity, but this is your moment to
get the most value that you'll have in the rest
(12:03):
of your career. And whatever is on the table that
might be frustrating, it might be disrespected by it, but
you got to say to yourself at a certain point,
is that better than being forced to go do it
again for just sixteen million dollars and hoping that I
do and that my value is still there next year
when I'm a year older in free agency.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I think they're.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Betting on knowing where his opinion might land on that
eventually too, So don't I don't think he'll miss games,
but I understand that the messaging from his side right
now is very much a willingness to do so.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Joe Burrow took the t Higgins thing into a different
direction last December ninth, right we've discussed that at nauseum.
Bengals players come back for the off season program April
to twenty first. I'm guessing at some point within that timeframe,
Joe Burrow is going to talk to you guys, could
you see this getting accelerated if Joe Burrow decides, all right,
(13:00):
my new cause celeb is getting Trey Hendrickson paid, a
guy that he has talked about, though not as effusively
as he talked about t Higgins.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Have they already signed a guard at that point, because
I think he might bet on his own protection before that, right,
you know, there's a self preservation mode to this. And
if he's looking at that situation and he's saying, look,
if we're talking about where the money needs to go
and you're really picking between X and Y, and I'm
not saying that it should be that way. I'm saying
if that's how it's viewed, then I think he's probably
(13:31):
gonna have more interest in his protection. And that's no
disrespect to Trey. I just think that's probably what Joe's
opinion would be. This is me speaking on just yeah,
the thought of the current landscape.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But Zach Taylor last week or Tuesday Breakfast without Breakfast,
which is a different story, said we're kind of done
at guard.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
In free agency? Yeah, until the draft, Until the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, so the players show up before the draft. Yeah, Again,
I'm imagining at some point you guys are to get
a crack of talking to Joe Burrow, Someone's gonna ask
him about Trey Hendrickson. Could Joe kind of do with
Trey what he did with t.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I think he could try.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I but that doesn't necessarily mean
that anything's gonna get done. I just think that what's
needed to be said and what's gotten that to the
point that it's hit now is all there, like everybody
knows what it is. It's almost like a couple of
weeks ago, wherever it was we talked about how it's
all the cards have been on the table. I just
think it's all out there, like we know that he
(14:32):
wanted it, but it becomes a matter of here's all
the things that are in front of them. I still
think that t and Jamar was really what this whole
thing was all about for him, t mostly, and so
I think that his tone will be interesting, how aggressive
it is. Are we gonna get the need thing? Are
we gonna get are we gonna yeah? That'd be nice,
(14:53):
or I hope they figure it out, or I'd love
to have Trey. Of course, there's there's you know, ten
different layers of how how much that Cancun. I don't know.
I don't know if he'll take that on again. I
think that his main concern will be the line in
front of him.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Paul Danner Junior covers the Bengals for The Athletic as
well as the Growler Podcast. By the way, within the
Growler podcast network, you have power stacks. Yes. Charlie Goldsmith
Brian Geeson's log on All Things Reds.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
New episode Up the Day on the power outage that
happened the last couple of days. But you know, kind
of weighing how serious to take it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Actually it was a really great smart conversation, as you
might expect from Charlie and bright On.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I got about that. I go listen to that. Nineteen
minutes after three o'clock. I got a question here, this
question I don't think was aimed at you and I,
but I got this question here on social media, and
I'm going to ask you the question that I got
here from Ronnie Smith on social media.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I try not to we're gonna go down that road
we're taking. We're taking questions off the internets. So I
was going to ask you this doesn't make fun of
my appearing does it. No, have you seen at bald
Daaner Junior.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, similar to Toeger.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I think maybe the same guy owns both Toegger and
bald Daaner Man, which which is great, which I would
have a lot of respect for.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, so maybe that could happen.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's where's from perfect, very good. We'll check that out
when we come back. It's twenty after three o'clock on
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Speaker 2 (16:58):
This three five after three, This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
It's a Thursday. Paul Danner Junior is usually here on Tuesday,
but we didn't really have a show on Tuesday, and
Paul was in Palm Beach. What is it like to
cover the owner's meetings?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You take a league that has made so many people
so wealthy, right, and then you take them trying to
find a way to treat those wealthy people to an
experience that feels even above their normal means, and you
get the breakers, which is it's just I mean, we
were they have what you know, a reception to one
(17:34):
of the times that the media is kind of truly
are out allowed to go in and make them be
part of the experience, and you know, I actually I
actually almost ran into Roger Goodell. He's on the other
side of a column as he tried to come out,
and I like almost bumped shoulders with them. And then
right after that, I was standing right in front of
Guy Fieri came walking into the pillody and then about
(17:57):
twenty minutes later, I'm eating you know, the delicious uh
grouper and crabcake and this risotto that they had mixed
up in a cheese bowl for you, specifically in front
of you, and Serena Williams came walking right by me
and you're just.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Like, as just ridiculous, What am I doing?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
What was Serena Williams doing at the NFL's owners It's.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
A good question. I don't want to say specifically because
I don't know. I thought it was something to do
with maybe a minority ownership situation or connection with the
minority owner. I don't know specifically, other than everyone was
very much in awe despite a lot of very very
very famous people and rich people being in the building.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Everyone was like Serena because she's awesome. Cool.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I don't know how things work at the Athletic. If
the Bengals move, will you move with them.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
To Kentucky County?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I grew up, I grew up out there.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, I don't know Warren County.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I got a name. I got a tweet here from
Ronnie Ronnie Smith or the Bengal leaving after twenty twenty six,
this was one of the time what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Leaving leaving where?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Leaving downtown?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Leaving downtown is in places. I mean, it.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Would not be a quick process, right, but it would
be the beginning of that process going in motion could
start here soon. I would so I technically not leaving
in twenty but you could see that. You know what,
Look what's happened in Chicago right now. Right every every
year at the league meetings, they're like settling on a
(19:31):
different place. They're gonna be downtown, They're gonna be at
this place. They're gonna be Island. This year was they're
going out to Arlington Heights. Kansas City is looking at
They're gonna maybe go they didn't get the votes. They're
gonna go from Missouri to Kansas Cleveland. Everyone's sueing everyone.
They're gonna go to Brook Park. This stuff's happening everywhere.
This is what's happening. And when it comes to these stadiums,
when it comes to getting whether it's renovations or billion
(19:53):
dollar mechas, this is. These are the fights and and
the battles that happen across the league. They're sort of
it's weird, there's this building boom happening right now. Everybody's
in these situations. A third of the league really has
some kind of a stadium situation that's either in the
process or or where the Bengals are with it, so
leaving the city is not a thing. But I think
(20:15):
when you look around at all that's happening in the
league and all the ways that teams are utilizing ways
to get what they want, it's in play. I mean,
it's always in play to say, hey, is there another
county that haven't has interest here and doing some of
these other things that you've seen. Maybe there could be
a lot of state money involved in it if you
did do it or whatever. That is what was clear
(20:37):
from Katie, and I know I'm kind of going off
tangent with the actual question. I would not follow the
Bengals if they left Cincinnaties for the record, in case
anybody cares.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
But I also would not know this is where I am.
I would be happy to come from.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I don't know what I would be doing for a living,
but I also don't matter.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
You know, whatever, you'll find something, You'll figure something out.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's doubtful, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
But you know, I just think right now, you get
into the Bengals are in a situation with this, say
they want to be I do believe that, like I
do believe what Katie was saying, which has been just
ripped far out of context in a lot of different
places right now. Is that their sole focus right now
(21:21):
is that June thirty deadline and finding a way to
put agreement in place that can make this happen. Downtown
it is where they want to be. They want to
stay downtown. They want a reasonable renovation of that facility
that can keep it going similarly as it's gone for decades.
That's what I do, one hundred percent on a quickly
(21:42):
believe that's what they want.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Do we all see the irony of them asking for
more urgency from someone else in a negotiation?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
We sure do. We sure do that that is the best,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
But I do think that the end is that they
do want to continue to see out everything that has
been created down on the banks and being a part
of that, and they they like that. I one hundred
percent believe that it just was does it. I don't
know if it gets done, And I don't know if
it's fair to ask for urgency from the commissioners because
(22:18):
we don't know the back room of what's going on.
We have emails that have emerged over in previous months,
but like we don't know specifically who's really dragging their
feet and who's not. All I know is I do
believe them when they say that their goal with one
hundred percent is to stay here downtown in Cincinnati and
not have to start looking into those other avenues that
(22:41):
could exist.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But when we talk about them moving, the move is
within this area. Yeah, nobody's talking about them moving to
Mexico City or Toronto or Saint Louis or anywhere like that,
or London like that's that's not that.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
This isn't I remember the mid nineties. I mean I
remember Mike Brown going to Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
We're not doing Baltimore as We're not talking about that though, right,
We're talking about Warren County or Kentucky or mid the
relocation feel too, yeah exactly. I mean, okay, so now
tell me this and I this is my least favorite topic,
so I'm loath to bring it up, but it was
one of the headlines you wrote about it from the
the uh Katie Blackburn availability in Palm Beach. There's this
(23:23):
June thirtieth deadline, right, and so this deadline is the
date at which they County can exercise a two year
rolling extension. Right, a two year extension of the currently
the Bengals. Yeah right, Okay, I hate this topic. I
don't want to understand. I know, I know it's politics
(23:44):
and I hate politics. Yeah yeah, So the county has
to enact this extensions the Bengals do. Okay, if we
get to June thirtieth, then there's been no they have
an exercise the option to extend this lease than.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What then the lease would They'd have but two June thirtieth,
twenty twenty six to complete it or it totally expires.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So now there's two ways to look at this. You
could look at it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
If they hit the extension, it means they don't think
anything's gonna happen soon, and they're gonna use those two
years added on to start exploring other possibilities. The best
way for this to go is that they have an
agreement close or in place at that date, and so
they know that they just have a year to finish
(24:32):
it off and get it done before everything totally expires.
But this is kind of a moment in time here,
I think on that it just to kind of truly
dumb it down, just know that it's important moment to
try to have some understanding that something is in place,
and if not, then you know you can. Then you
can start seeing what's happening in a lot of these
other cities, start to happen here where you start to
(24:52):
have talks about other places and land out in counties
and whatever that's happening all over the league.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Already bored with the time understandable. I did it.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I'm a you know going around the league a lot,
and you do too.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I love downtown stadiums, yes, like I. I loathe when
we have to go somewhere like Kansas City or going
out to Arlington in Dallas or any number of these places.
It sucks. It's not it's not a fun experience. You
don't feel like it just doesn't. None of it feels right.
And I love going to Baltimore. I I love going
(25:27):
to places like Pittsburgh with the Dead, like all of
these places that truly have a downtown experience that the
city feels a part of. And kudos to the fact
that the Bengals have kept their facilities down there and
kept all the players and the taxes associated and everything
else in Hamilton County, understanding the importance of that, rather
than doing what so many teams have done and just
having their practice facilities and everything and then basically you know,
(25:50):
being out in whatever Mason, Milford or wherever. So kuzm
on that, but I just I like that, like I
like the downtown feel. I think they do too. I
think it's great for the city. And that's what I
care about most is is this the city keeping the
feel I think that it has. I think there's there's
just something special to what they what is going on
(26:10):
down at the banks, even though they somehow still haven't
totally finished the project and we're talking about renegotiating at least.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I just it needs to stay like.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
That, and I hate going places where it's somewhere out
in the middle of nowhere. And that's becoming this trend
because you can build these, you know, complexes with entertainment
districts and whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It's like part of the new future of the NFL
that I don't buy into, the same way the Browns
shouldn't be playing in a dome. Danner hates Mason. That's
what I grew up in Mason. I love Mason. I'm
a Mason guy. Shout out Saint Susanna in the house.
I'm totally with you. Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Just I don't like this.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I don't like it either. I hate talking about it.
I hate that's a thing. But here we are.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
We are. It's a thing. I acknowledge its significance. Yeah,
I acknowledge its significance. I just I remember the one
thirty years ago and how unfun it was, and it
resulted in the Bengals getting a stadium, and the Bengals
getting a stadium resulted in a lot of cool things
happening downtown, which we all love. But I remember that
and I remember how unfun it was, and I liked fun.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, this is not the fun part of it.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Oh, pretty much everything happening right now is not the
fun part of sports. Yeah, Like, we haven't even we're
how far are we in here? Thirty five minutes in here?
We haven't even talked about the draft yet. It's three
weeks from tonight.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, we're gonna do that when we come back on
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Just another couple of minutes here with Paul Danner Junior.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You can be here on Tuesday. Oh yeah, I'm here
on Tuesday. We need to get back to normal, get
it back to normal. Too many things there.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Back into the swing of things back on Tuesday, a right,
So that'll give us Tuesday is the eighth, the fifteenth,
and the twenty second to exhaust every conceivable draft topic
there is. Okay, good, We were just talking about this
off here. There have been so many other things going on.
And I said this to a couple of other people
who also cover the team, like, I've barely paid attention
(29:08):
to the draft. Yeah, I've barely paid attention to mock
drafts or draft possibilities. Here's what I do know. It
feels like they're playing with fire at guard.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah. Yes, here's why it feels hotter than that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
In my opinion, after this week, they seem to feel
kind of content about where they're at, and I think
I tried to relay that in the story I really
on Tuesday. I think they view it as you know,
and look, they're not signing another free agent between now
and that caught a lot of fire on the internet.
I think they feel like they can pinpoint and find
(29:43):
a guy who can, at the very least compete in
a better perspective, be locked in as day one starter
at one of those two positions in this draft, whether
it be at seventeen or at forty nine or some
other combination. And I think that's true. And then the
and then I think you they certainly feel okay with
(30:06):
the competition between the other four that are currently there
and whatever else maybe could get thrown in afterwards. I
think the problem becomes their drafting history. There something that
you know. Zach Taylor admitted, Yeah, there's truth to what's
happened there. The fact is, since you're gonna read my life,
I was gonna need to say it, or you can
read it.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Every time the Bengals gave one of their offensive line
draft picks a second contract, was twenty eleven fourth round
or Clinton Bowling. They have drafted twenty offensive lineman. Since
that's fact. These are facts.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Now, Trey Hopkins was undrafted, right, so he doesn't. I mean,
I'm not accounting fair fair, that's it. Though, that's staggering.
That is staggering, daggering. Maybe a Marius Mims breaks that right.
We don't know, hope. So, but that is these are
the facts of the case. They are undisputed, and you're
talking about a team that has not in round two, three,
four been able to find real solution that have proved
(31:01):
lasting when really the rest of the league has done
it with some level of success. That's a problem. The
other thing is that's part of this is that I
think that you know, if you read the tea leaves
and you kind of look at it, I think that
they're targeting tackle as well here because they have one.
They still don't really have a swing tackle right Okay,
(31:22):
they are two years away from Orlando Brown being a
free agent, okay, at left tackle, so you can, to me,
the perfect situation is someone like a Kelvin Banks from
Texas who could come in guard today, tackle the future.
If something happened to Mims or Brown right now, could
kick outside and be okay there and then your other
competition guys screwed up and play guard. I don't disagree
(31:43):
with that strategy. It's just a matter of if that's
where it ends up going. But tackle is on the mind.
I think at this point too. It's certainly not a
forgotten position. If you look at kind of what they're doing,
and both guys they have talked to and brought in
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You've not even done your first macht your first.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
One point, Oh, did come out?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I did? I did?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I did point five? I did point seventy five sounded
less prepared for did come out after free agency? And
I had Mike Green the edgeress Oh yes, yes, yes,
from Yah Marshall.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I did read that. Yes, And Dan Burglar's Beast comes
out next Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
That's really when it starts, though, Like when the Beast
comes out, everyone is fully okay. Draft is like all
the way here, even for the people that only kind
of pay attention to it.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Right, all right, Well Tuesday, we'll uh, we got much more.
I have a lot of more thoughts unless Trey Hendrickson
says anything else. Yeah, I guess I don't really Well,
thank you for carrying me this segment. I didn't know
how the least roll over worked. I forgot about draft
one point. Oh, it's all right whatever.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday will be back.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Tuesday will be normal swing of things on Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Maybe that were awesome. I don't know about that always.
All right. Paul Tanner Jr. Read The Athletic dot Com.
His coverage of the Bengals and the Growler podcast is well, yes,
very good. We'll see Paul back here on Tuesday. Chad
Brendle on the Bearcats, next.
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