April 8, 2025 • 42 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss a bunch of different draft-related Bengals issues as well as whether or not the Bengals are moving to Chicago, which they aren't.
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The greatest Tuesday of all time. We have a lot
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Go to EMERYFCU dot org. We have last night's titled
Tilt to discuss. We have Hunter Green's awesomeness to discuss
whether or not he wins the Syngerward this year. We
have to spend some time on that last night all
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joking aside was a pressure filled pressure packs start for
Hunter Green, and he absolutely delivered. He has been awesome
over the course of the last calendar year. He has
been awesome over the course of his last twelve starts
to the tune of like a one to one o
e er and uh boy, it would be a shame
if he doesn't get a chance to pitch in October.
We're going to spend some time on that. But first,
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our guy, Paul Danner Junior's with us. Look like you
had notes, now, look at notes on your phone.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I was trying to look up a Hunter Green's high
school football career so that I could properly transition in.
He did play some high school football, according to the
Internet on my very rudimentary search that I just did.
Gave it up relatively early. Yeah, because I think the
right call. It appears baseball was going to work out.
Baseball things working out all right. But maybe there's some
traits that we can talk about with him, you know,
(01:52):
as we get into you know what tomorrow is though.
Have you have you prepared everyone that plans to print
I'm ready? Have you let them know? Yes? You checked
on a printer the toner situation. It's ready the cartridges,
it's well, I don't know, you may want to, you
may want to get it ready because the Beast does
come out tomorrow at six am.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I set aside my own ream of paper, right, I
did this, my own ream of paper to put in,
hit print, then go to lunch, and then come back
and the thing will be done and all my coworkers
will be met at me because I've printed the Beast.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yes, can't wait, can't wait for that, And it's there's
They've also we've added in a full like mini website
that's basically on top of the normal PDF that you
will print and keep here, that you can go into
that's a little more interactive as well. So extra extra
on the Beast tomorrow. It's really it's the official like, okay,
(02:44):
it's here now, everybody buckle up. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, when I was a kid, uh and sports talk
radio kind of launched in Cincinnati on a full time
basis when I was in high school, and I remember
listening to Jerry Jones the Drugstore List, and I remember, like,
you know, listening and I had something to write down,
like I get to mail away for this drugstore List done,
by this pharmacist from Marymont who sounds like a draft
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expert when he's on with Lance McAllister or whoever. And
it was eight bucks, and I would like, all right,
well I have eight dollars. I can send him eight dollars. Well, no,
it's got to be a credit card. And then I
have to add could I use the credit card? And
then and then later on, when I was in college,
I subscribed to Mel Kuiper's newsletter, and this is like
the latest and best and most improved version of both
of those. The Dan Bruglar Beast.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot out there, as people know,
like there's no shortage of draft content, yes, but when
it comes to truly like as legitimate as it gets,
as well sourced as it gets truly in contact with
every scout, every team, I mean the nuggets that you
get just reading through like the twenty third ranked running
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backs bio about why he failed his chemistry class, like
that stuff. The depth that he goes to it is is,
you know, we the athletic were full of all of
these people. A lot of us came up in newspapers,
were very much like proud to be sort of hard
charging journalists. We are all so jealous to see somebody
have a project that is just the epitome of reporting
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in every way, shape and form that Dane puts out
and it's uh, it's it gets its due every year.
It gets the love every year, and it deserves it
because it's it's one of the best things that comes
out of our entire organization.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You always podcast with them, and we're always lucky enough
to get them on the show, which tearing that's a
reminder to get Dan Bruger on the show. I enjoy
talking with him about the process of putting the Guide
together more than I actually enjoy talking about the draft
with them.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, no, I I agree. I always just say what's
your what's your favorite obscure nugget, you know, and and
he's probably has about one hundred of them that he
could go to. But I write a story off of
it every year, just on stuff Bengals related, sort of
connections that you that you find in terms of how
it to affect their draft, and it's not hard to
do when you really start diving into it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm gonna give you my sort of very basic, almost
remedial dumb GUYE draft take as it relates to the Bengals. Okay,
actually two of them. Here's number one. If the Bengals
win a Super Bowl with Joe Burrow as quarterback, this
draft will be a huge reason why. And if they don't,
this draft will be a huge reason why. This is
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a pivotal draft for a thousand different reasons. If they
screw this up, the window is gonna shut without a title.
If they get this right, Joe Burrow is going to
lead us to a parade.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I think that's probably a little it's probably too general.
I mean, I don't I think that this year, I
more so than any I think this year will be
affected by what happens here where that's not always the case, right,
you know, you can you can usually speak more of oh,
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the next in the window in the next three to
four years. I think like this year is the one
that's going to be most effect because they have more
time to fix some of the ailments going down the line,
and you can, you know, you can figure out ways
to reform it. But they have found themselves in this
spot where like this draft needs to produce help this year,
and it can. It sets up to be able to
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do so. And if they do it right, and no one.
Now I'm not saying a clean sweep of six for
six hit picks and two home runs, and you know,
no one's saying that. But if they just if they
get I need four doubles, they I think that's probably
asking a lot. I mean four doubles a lot. Doubles
are hard to get. I mean if maybe by the
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by the time you get to January, you've got a
couple of doubles in a single I mean, some of
the best drafts, you're getting three really good players out
of them, right, and they will, they would take that
today and and run to the season, especially if it's
at certain positions. But I don't, you know, I just
think they they really need to hit in a couple
of spots more so than they normally do. It's and
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that's an uncomfortable place to be in as you sit
here on April eighth, But that's where they're at.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But I say four doubles because they've whifted free agency
and because they've whifted previous drafts. The jury is still
out about last year. There's a lot of encouraging signs
that point to last year's draft being a success. But
like I put a lot on this draft for the
reasons you just articulated, but I kind of feel like
they need more than the normal load. You're right, a
typical draft if there's three good players, a couple of
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guys that you signed to a second contract. Successful haul.
But when you have you did you the athletic did
the city by city sort of team needs post free agency?
Yours red light The Bengals team needs pre free agency.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I got it right here. Change hard to pin down
just one need.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And you go through a defensive tackle, linebacker, long term
replacement at safety, pretty much, backup, swing tackle, pretty much
everybody but receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Well, and that's the case. You you might not need
four all pro.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Guys, but you need a lot of dudes who can
step in and help instantly.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Not only do they need something out of this class,
they need more out of previous class. Like it's like
it's the combination of both. They just need more and
it eventually like you find yourself here organizationally at some
points in time, and a lot of times it's when
you're spending a lot of money at the top end
of your balance sheet and they're they're doing that where
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you do have to say all right, young guys gotta
do it, go get them, and that's okay, Like I
don't have a huge problem with that. At a certain point,
you're you're gonna be defined by whether you're young guys
become something, and if they do, that ends up being
the heartbeat of teams that make runs. That happens all
the time, and those teams tend to get kicked a
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little bit in the offseason because they let flashy name
veterans that you know go that gets signed for expensive
contracts afterward, and it turns out the young player that
has the path cleared for their opportunity ends up being
better than that older player ever really was, and everybody
benefits in the long run. I think you see that
happen all the time. One that stands out to me
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the Bills last year. They got kicked last offseason for
Stefan Diggs and them most they're hitting a restart button
for Josh Allen and and what happened. They maybe had
their best team because all of these young players came
in and they sort of started growing together, and Josh
Allen obviously played great, but it can be like that,
and they're obviously banking on that it has to be
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like that some years. That doesn't change the pressure on
this year, but I do think that's that is where
they're at. This is one of those years that you're
gonna come into camp and you're gonna say there's a
lot of hope out here. And that doesn't necessarily mean
that it's the wrong plan, but it's the one that
they're gonna be playing in twenty twenty five. Two doubles
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and two singles. There you go. I think that's fair.
Two doubles and two singles. Yeah, one of them's a
bunt single, but he gets on, Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well I'm not pro bunt, but I mean they need
any four guys who reach base. I'll take two doubles,
a single, and an intentional walk, like I need four
players who can come in this.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Year and make an instant impact.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't do mock drafts, as you well know, you've
done one full one point zero that counts, one that counts.
But when I've looked at the draft order, I just
find myself trying to find teams that will trade with
them because I look at let's see, you can make
a case they need defensive tackle, defensive end, linebacker, safety, guard,
swing tackle. They say, you can never have enough corners. Golly,
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gen could use another running back. I'm like, well, I
need more picks. I need more picks. So you wrote
about how the Bengals view of the draft in their
offseason doesn't necessarily mesh with the public consensus, right, but
I think there would be a lot of public support
for the idea of trading down. Do you think the
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Bengals view it the same way?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I mean I think you at the makeup of
this first round, there's a pretty good chance all the
blue chip prospects on their board are gone. I mean,
that's the nature of what this is. It's not a
great year for blue chip right now. Then there's a
lot of guys that are the same, and there's a
lot of guys that maybe they feel like really would
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fit them, somebody that you know, Charlie and I spent
a lot of time on Monday's pod talking about safety
and linebacker, which is a very much looking like an
immediate need that's kind of gone up the pecking order
when you start talking to them. And a guy like
Malachi Starks, who just seems like a man, a great
fit and all character team a does everything. Team leader,
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the type of person you can rely on and trust
in the back of your of your defense man that
feels like exactly what they need. You don't need to
take them necessarily at seventeen, mate, maybe you could have
a better chance of getting them at twenty two and
twenty three, and maybe there's four or five. There's probably
four or five guys like that that you feel like,
even throw Derek Harmon in that mix. Throw a lot
of guys that feel like, well, you wouldn't take them there,
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but they'd be good fits for the Bengals and you
could move back they need more picks. You know, this
feels like one where they would love to The problem
is who's coming up? Right? And you run into what
are they coming up for? Is is it Shador does?
Does He's I don't know that Shador is gonna make
it past New Orleans at nine. I don't if Shador
Sanders is there in the middle rounds. I am disconnecting
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every cable television, every subscription service. I'm not gonna be
able to withstand the shouting. Well it is there, you know?
Is there a run? Is there a run that's gonna
happen at a position, whether it's edge rushers. A lot
of teams with similar needs are right around the Bengals range,
but the Bengals kind of at the front of that.
The Bengals seattle. There's a few teams that have similar needs,
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or maybe a team from behind them would want to
get in at the front of that run and the
Bengals co movement. There's always maybe some kind of a way. Now, historically,
we know the Bengals are probably gonna stick pick and
that's kind of been their mo They'll see somebody they'll like,
they'll select him. This would be a year that you
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would think that they would certainly be maybe more interested
than normal than moving back because of the needs, because
of you know this missing the seventh round pick, but
certainly in round two something that they have been predisposed
to do a bunch move back in round two to
add a you know, a fourth round pick, where you know,
when you look at their needs on the defensive line
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and the makeup of this draft where there's all of
these defensive linemen, your value really can show up in
round three and four. We're just by the sheer numbers
of it. There's just a lot of teams that they're
not going to take two and three of these guys,
so they these guys just kind of get a little
pushback board and maybe they get somebody with a late
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second round grade in round four. Well, adding a fourth
round pick can be more valuable, and the Begels might realize, like,
we can't ask for much because not a lot of
teams me trying to come up. Well, if that's what
if you're gonna move back a few in the first
round and you have all the players kind of the
same and you add a four that might be more
valuable to you that fourth round pick than normal too.
So maybe that if that's all it takes. If that's
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maybe that's where the connection comes. I think they need
to be finding creative ways to add picks. There's no
question about it. When you think about the needs and
you think about where they're at. It needed to have
more swings at this thing, There's no doubt about it.
Moving back trading is the most obvious way they would
love to. I just really have a hard time figuring
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out who's coming up. That's really my struggle with it.
Paul Danner Jr.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
The Growler Podcast latest episode was was that Ryan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yep, me and Charlie and then Ryan Wilson was in
that as well. Very good.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
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and Ryan talked about the Athletic dot Com and by
the way, part of the Growler podcast network, really tapping
into the excitement and fervor for the first ten or
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Speaker 3 (14:58):
I gotta tell you, you know what, though, Brian and
Charlie have have certainly helped me process this, sure, you know.
And that's what I appreciate is like a true view
of what's going on. And sometimes it has been a
true view that has been a little harsh. But I
feel like it's about knowledge. Knowledge is power model sure right,
And I feel like I have a good understanding of
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what's happening now and that helps me be a little
more comfortable with the sadness. I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
As good as those two are, I can help you
understand what's going on.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
They can't hit we I mean, I get it. Yeah,
you know. I don't want to take anything away from
what those maybe they need to up it from from
one hundred dollar bills to like three hundred dollars. If
anytime somebody doesn't.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Good inflation, you know, dollars doesn't go as far as
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Speaker 2 (16:42):
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Yeah on your podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, and I like this.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That conversation made me think more about the secondary on
this team and how I don't think we have talked
about it nearly enough.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, That's that's been That's been a theme coming out
of last week at Palm Beach. And not not corner
I think. I mean, I think we've talked about this
is what they're doing. Like, I don't. I don't see.
I would be really surprised if one of six picks
was a corner, even the sixth round, even the six round,
even the sixth round pick, I don't. I think that
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they've got enough of young guys, They've got enough guys
that maybe project as potentially backup corners in the league.
To add more to that, I don't think they need that.
I I think safety has quickly, you know, I think
when you can listen to them talk about the plan
and we'll listen to them, maybe not quite talk about Genostone,
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you know, or when they do, it's always with a hedge.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah right, there's there's talking about Las Vegas raider Geno Stone, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Ques. You know, it's like Justin Simmons is still out
there and there's other options, but I think it just screams, Look,
we like some of these safeties, and we like the
idea of drafting over Ginostone or you know, Nicky man
Wari from South Carolina, Malekai Starks from Georgia. It's it's
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very scarce at the top of this draft. Xavier Wats,
obviously Notre Dame is the ultimate. Trust in Al. If
you're gonna say if Al says this is the key,
you go with it. He knows him better than anybody
else in the entire country. So maybe at forty nine
you say Xavier Watts is the guy, and you're planning
on him basically starting you know, over Genostone, or maybe
there's a situation where you're like, we're gonna play a
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lot of three safety and Emon Warry could be the
drop down in the box kind of you know, sub
package linebacker, versatile piece that can kind of do a
ton of stuff and be a playmaker that they need
an elite athlete. Cool, right, you're here for all of it,
but they need more. They need so much more there
and it just doesn't feel like there's this big buy
And then like running Gino's stone back out there, and
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then you look at the makeup of this draft like
you're not getting anybody to change that opinion on what's
happening at safety. Outside of those three guys, really everybody
else will go in round three or have a big
have a question mark for one reason or another that
you have to talk yourself into, and so you end
up spending a lot of time thinking like, well, maybe
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that's a big part of their plan, like maybe that
is it. Maybe they feel like between those three they'll
be able to do it, but they obviously need more there,
you know. And that's with them being very bullish on
Jordan Battle as the other guy, which sounds solid. So yeah,
I think that feels like a pretty significant priority and
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one that you can put those three names and if
you see them come off the board, it's gonna be
news inside the Bengals draft room.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So you mentioned Corner and have you ever like planned
on doing something four months out? And sounds like a
good idea, and then the more you think about it,
you're like, I don't know, man, Right, So a few
months ago we were talking about like the off season
and what they had in front of them on defense
and it needed an overhaul. But if there was an
area of the team that you thought you might be
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comfortable kind of running it back with a bunch of guys,
that would be at corner. And I felt that way
pretty strongly two and a half months ago. I don't know, man,
I don't know, man. You know, I still kind of
feel that way, but not like I did back in January.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I don't know, dude, I know, I know, but it's
it's it's the ultimate when you get when you get
there and you're like, uh, you're at the front door
of the party, yeah, and you're like, maybe we shouldn't
have come, right, Maybe maybe this would maybe we should
Maybe I don't want to be in this room, you know,
like really bad things could happen. Yeah. I think that's
the case. I also think that's the case at defensive line.
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I think that's the case at linebacker. I don't see
a position on defense that that's not the case. Where
you're like, I don't know, man, and I think that's again,
but it goes back to it. There's just lots of
hope out there. Yes, there's lots of hope and projection,
and that's an uncomfortable place to be in when you
don't have proof of concept. But would you be surprised,
I think you would be.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You'd be surprised if the draft comes and goes and
there's not a defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I wouldn't be stunned. I think there will be one,
but I wouldn't be floored if there wasn't. I have edge.
I think they're going to be looking more in the
edge area than they are going to be necessarily in
defensive tackle. I mean they're both sure. I mean you
wrote that, I think that. Yeah. I mean there's there's
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always going to be room to add a premier player.
But in terms of if they went by and didn't
add you can hear the conversation, right well, Miss Slayton
and BJ Hill. We believe in Jenkins and Jackson and
and you can hear that. You can hear and there's
like a where were the snap gonna come from? They
could obviously add another one, but they re signed BJ Hill,
they have Chris Jenkins. At a certain point, they have
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to believe in Chris Jenkins and bj Hill as their rotation,
and they need pass rush. They don't need another They
have Slayton and McKinley Jackson. They don't need another big
run stopper type, a third big guy like that. Right
that's certainly not with a premium pick as much for
right now, you would take it if you felt like
it something fell to you. But when that's the case,
you're like, are they they're not gonna go over extend themselves,
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And when you only when you have a certain amount
of picks, you're like, well, edge feels more like the
spot that can add a player today at any level
in terms of first round to sixth round, and that's
a much bigger priority than defensive tackle does as much
right now.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
But the point being, there are a lot of areas
where they're gonna run it back with some guys who
were here. Yeah, and they might do that at edge,
but if they didn't take a guy, you'd be surprised.
Line by, you'd be surprised if they didn't take a
guy safety. I think we'd be surprised if they didn't
take a guy corner or just sort of accepting that they're.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Not They're not. Yeah, I mean I don't see it,
and I don't and I understand it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's it's I understand it. But man, if I'm watching
them get cooked in September, we're all gonna go, you know,
shouldn't we have seen this coming? Like I I think
there's upside there. I think we all agree there's upside.
There's a lot of guys they drafted early, like there's
there's there's some upside there.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
But the collective downside to that group, what are you
gonna do? No, you can't. I mean, what are they
gonna do? They need new blood everywhere? Okay, and they have.
They have a collection of guys there MO that have
had and not just flashes like solid runs are good play,
almost all of them where you felt like you can
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see it, and they're young, and they're athletic, and and
they they've just had these weird fits and starts, and
so you feel like, all right, that is so much
of where Al Golden has to step in and be
able to find it with these guys. And when you
have all of these other spots where you had don't
have guys that have even had that right or you
have no one right in terms of safety and linebacker
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really and where you're talking about Okay, well we don't
even have flashes here. We don't even have anything that
you can really hang your hat on. I think they
feel like they have more that they can hang their
hat on. At corner. Then probably then dessert then's deserved
because they kind of because in comparison to other spots,
It's true, I'm I'm not totally at the I don't
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want to go in this party position. I'm not either
like I'm but I'm you're at the door.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You're at the door like I'm in the driveway, and
look at my wife going, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
There's we can do something else. Yeah, I'm doing I'm
doing the face as I hit the doorbell or like
knock on the door or whatever I'm doing. They're like,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I could envision a scenario where at that position it
works because of the combination of upside the individual players
and Al Golden coaching them up.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I could see that happening, but I could also see
it backfiring.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, and if that does, then none of this other
stuff matters all that much.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I have a harder time seeing it come together on
the defensive line in terms of pass rush though, like
like if we're talking and I have a hard thing
stand right now, yeah, Like if you don't add another body,
you're just I've been a big proponent of Miles Murphy.
But if you're not adding another body, if you're not
(25:39):
adding more juice somewhere, then you're in a lot of trouble.
And that's before we mentioned the guy who were trying
to get through a show, not talking about right now
in his situation, and so like I just I just
am saying I look at that, and that feels more
makes me more uneasy, that makes me want to go home.
I'm not going to the party, like I'm in the
car turned around. I never showed up, Yes, I never.
(26:03):
I never. I went out, I picked up some food
and I turned around and went home like that was it.
I'm not I'm not going. And I feel the same
way about linebacker, like I in the same way about safety.
With with that where and so I think it's it's
comparative whereas I feel I feel like you can see it.
I can see it. I'm going into the party with
the corners right now, and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I'm going into the party, but like I have on
my radar something else I want to go do.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Well, yeah, you got it out.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, I've got it out, like i've oh yeah, uh,
you know, sitter sitters having a problem. So like I'm
I'm I'm my hands on the eject button.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, you've gone over the signals with with you know,
your significant other at the door, You're like, okay, when
I rub my nose like this, it's time to go.
So if we see Al Golden in week four looking
at Zach Taylor doing the nose, moya, we were in
a problem spot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Like I'm to the point where like I'm at the party,
but I'm keeping my wife close by because you can't
separate because then it's hard to gather and go.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah you're going. It's harder to do the Irish goodbye.
Everybody might yes four, I don't want to do an
Irish goodbye with these corners. If this blows up, there
might be a lot of people saying goodbye for the party.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Twenty five away from four o'clock, well done sports headlines,
I do have to ask about Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Oh, I thought we were gonna do it. I thought
we're gonna make it to the ad. We're gonna try. Okay,
I'll give you a choice.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Do you want to talk about the Bengals and Trey
Hendrickson or the Bengals maybe moving to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I'll take Chicago. Chicago.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Are the Bengals going to move to Chicago because Mike
Florio said they should.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
We'll do that.
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(29:09):
Danner Juniors here for another twenty minutes or so. From
The Athletic and the Growler podcast. When will they cut
Jermaine Pratt?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I don't know. I would assume that the draft is
very much affecting this, right, Yeah, I mean I think
you reach to the point where, uh, Charlie and I
talked about this on Monday about where you know, it
takes like a ten part parlay, you know, for something
to happen. It's kind of happened with Joe Mixon a
(29:38):
couple of years ago, where it looked like there's he's
probably not going to be back or whatever it was,
and all of a sudden, like all the legs that
the parlay start to hit, and then all of a sudden,
Joe Mixon is back, right and this feels like right
now on the on the ten leg parlay with your
main Pratt, the first six legs hit, and you're like,
you're looking at the heads, You're looking at the cash out,
(29:59):
and I'm or You're like, well, maybe you have to
cast this out. Maybe this ends up where it ends up,
because if things fall poorly for them in the draft
and they don't feel like they get any answer, it's
not like there's just a bunch of starting linebacker level
players sitting out there, they're not And so maybe you
(30:21):
come back to the table and you say, your Maine buddy,
we always loved you. Would you come play hard here
for us? Maybe should we can we talk about it?
Is this something that you can we talk about? I
feel like you're close to getting to that conversation. I
think they're they're kind of hoping that the draft gets
them a place where at least they could say, we
(30:43):
feel like by the guy that we took, whether it's
in round two or round three or whatever, by week
eight could should be the answer. Orren Burks could get
us to week eight, you know, uh, and and and
that can or maybe maybe sooner. But you know, if
you don't feel like you can even say that, if
you didn't even get that, then you got to start saying, Okay,
(31:08):
that's a couple more legs at the parlay that have hit,
and you've got to start to have that conversation again.
I don't think that's what anybody had in mind here
or anybody wants. I still don't think he's back, but
you do have to realistically start to reassess your options
depending on what happens at that position in a couple weeks.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
When he tries to tackle people, he looks like my
daughter trying to tire her.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Shoot. It was not the best. It was not the best.
You need to put the film on. He actually, you know,
he did a I didn't think I'd see anybody that
did such a good Nick Vigil impression ever. Again, who
did the running with arms extended move? You know where
it's just like not really running like a normal person,
(31:53):
but just running with arms extended and then just kind
of quitting the vigil. The vigil We've seen everybody, everybody
that's a Bengals fan knows the vigil, and so there
was a lot of that happening. You know, there's a
lot of like, it's just better if we just find.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You has had his moments here, Yeah, and maybe one
of the biggest, Yeah, one of the biggest defensive plays
in the history of the franchise. I am more than
willing to shake hands and go mistackle some hard.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It's really hard to come back from. We're gonna go
a different direction in January too. Can I get your
full effort here?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Next in the next season? Like that's a that's a
really hard move with a new coordinator and trying to
have a new energy to your entire defense and flush
everything that was the last two years in terms of
all the bad results. That's a really hard refresh. So
I think it's the it's not what they want to do.
You could like.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Always sell people on the idea that he was only
the second most unreliable guy named Jermaine on the on
the team last year.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
It's true, right, Yeah, that's true. He was able to
get on the field. He showed he did show up
for practices in Slan Burton's on a quiet all season
that we know of. Yeah, that's that's for the best problem.
You can't make noise hasn't had a practice to show
up at you exactly. You know, I prove it every weekend.
You can't be late to your living room. Man, like.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk says the Bengals should
move to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Your thoughts. Mike Florio loves this, like this, Mike Florio
loves to do this to Bengals face like it's it's like,
it's just a joy now I have I can see.
I have this vision of Mike Florio sitting at his
desk thinking about this and probably talks to an agent
and somebody else and they talk themselves into this like
(33:51):
ten Domino scenario, right, and then they say I probably
shouldn't write it. He's like, but that video, so why
don't we just ride it? Right? Do you know what
the relocation fee was the last time that a l
nine fingers about seven hundred million was a number. So
(34:16):
there you go. How's that for an answer? The Bengals
are not paying seven a relocation fee.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Just get the people, the taxpayers at the new city
to pay for right.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
They're having a hard enough time getting that thing taken
care of just for one team, okay. You think they're
gonna be like okay, and the relocation fee on top
of this, okay, And you also you're gonna have to
negotiate with the Brown family on top of it all
while doing it like no, no, no, this is not
about this. This was never about that, and it's already
(34:48):
become about something different than it was really about. When
we talked to Katie last week in pomp Peach.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I feel like that got aggregated poorly, poorly, and you
and I talked about it and we had fun with it,
and I joked about you moving with the Bengals if
they moved, and then the possibility of them moving to
your hometown of Mason. But as many here have pointed out,
she stayed at a preference to stay in town. Yes,
and pretty emphatically so yeah, and to the best of
(35:16):
my knowledge, without prompt like she was asked about the
stadium situation, but unprompted, within that answer said we want
to stay downtown.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Now I asked specifically about is that an option for
you guys to move to another county, and she said,
we like downtown. We want to be downtown. I this
is where our focus is, and this is we think
this is a good spot. It's where we want to be,
it's what we want to do. And then everything else
(35:45):
was like, of course, yeah, we would have that option,
sure to move and legal. That's that's correct. She's stating
the facts of the situation. Those are options. Their focus
and I one hundred percent believe this between now and
June thirtieth is getting this done and staying downtown. Then
if that doesn't happen, if they start looking at other options,
(36:05):
the other outside counties would be something that they could
have as options. I do not, in at all believe
that leaving the Cincinnati market is even an option. And
so that is I mean, that's just the bear was poked,
and I think Florio loves this stuff, and so he
he's going to push it out there and and do
(36:26):
that stuff. I don't that's not well.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
And like and I read Pro Football Talk and I
have for twenty years. I mean, I can respect the
niche that he has carved out, but people took that
and lost their mind, and I'm like, why would you
even read that?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Would why are you even entertaining this? Well, like, what
what good is? You are feeding the beast? If you
do that, you are giving him what he wants if
you if you respond, if you get starred up and
and again. I read his website, and I think there's
a lot of good stuff on there, but that in particular,
I saw the headline and said, that is not worth
my time, right, that is not worth my energy, and
(37:05):
it's not worth anybody else's energy.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
But I did just get six minutes of radio out
of it. Yeah, exactly. I mean I get where it
comes from. It's it's directly from the San Diego situation
in LA. I mean it's it's San Diego, smaller market,
wasn't as much interest in doing the stadium. Move them
right up there, join them with the rams built so far.
Then you have New York Chicago and LA could withstand it,
could could take that. I get it. It's just that's
(37:29):
not this is not the answer here, you know, it's
it's not the answer here. Chicago Bengals. Sure, whatever, I'm
not I'm not I'm not even going I'm entertaining this
any farther. Maybe I do want to talk about treehn No,
I want to play.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I want to fling it back to the draft here
really quick before we go, because what's interesting to me
is you and I talked about Bengals draft possibilities for
twenty five minutes and I'm not sure either one of
his broached guard.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Well, just because we were spending so much time on
the defense. I think it's priority one and it's not guard.
It is gu It is is better offensive lineman. Yes,
right now. I think position flex is a big part
of you know that. To me, that becomes the selling
point of using number seventeen overall on it is if
(38:18):
you get somebody who can be something today and something
else tomorrow, tackle tomorrow, or maybe even a guard center
whatever you know, like Grey's abel Get has been brought
up recently North Dakota State. He could be a center guard.
He's a multi position type. Yeah, exactly. He could get
to show you that I've studied. Congratulations the Beast comes
(38:39):
out tomorrow. You can read more, But I you know
he is. That's that's kind of an example of how
someone vaults into the seventeen conversation versus the forty nine
overall conversation. They have to hit this early. It's it
is what they are spending so much time trying to
make sure they get this right. They know they just
(39:00):
can't blow this one. They have in the past, they
have for a decade plus. You went over the line
last week twenty eleven, the last time they drafted a
player and they gave him a second contract in the
offensive line. They have to get this one right. There
are opportunities to do so. There's plenty of players to
choose from that could help them, that could start Day
one in both the first and second round. It is
(39:21):
a focus, and so I think to me, I would
maybe even put it as priority one. I think I
did in my piece having as priority one because of
you know, they still don't have a swing tackle either,
and just adding more good players, particularly if they have
versatility to cover their bases. I mean, let's talk about
last year at tackle. Okay, Orlando Brown has not had
(39:44):
an injury history, but he did last year, right, and
he fought through stuff, and he's a bigger guy, and
that can be a Marius Mims knocking him coming out
the injury stuff that was in his past. He didn't
play all of last year, he had his injury issues himself.
You better make sure you in good shape at back
tackle when you had the what happened both last year
and and and in the case of MEM's longer on
(40:06):
in his career, and obviously the holes at guard. So
those stand out as one player with the ability to
really do both and impact both can go a long
way to sustaining this season. And so they they recognize that,
I you know, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised
if it's the only offensive position they end up taking
this draft, they'll be running back probably late. I think
(40:29):
round five running back feels like the most the thing
I would bet the most amount of money on is
round five running back literally trying to do the Chase
Brown button again. But outside of that, you know, this
is the one. I mean, this is this is where
it's at.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
We we did basically an hour and we didn't talk
about Trey Hendrickson, And unless he does something kind of
dopey in the days leading up to the draft, we
might get through the rest of April without talking about
Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Not betting on that of him not doing something dope.
It just feels like something dopey. No, I'm not saying him.
You just feel like something dope has been happening. This
all is gonna happen. There's always something dopey happening in
the Hendrickson situation. So I'm not I'm not counting. Do
me a favor.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
If something does happen and you have to write about it,
will you include the word dopey?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yes, Oka the latest dopey turn. And it's not always
the Bengal's fault or tra Henderson's fault the media. This
thing is no dopey. This whole thing is dopey. This
whole thing is dopey. No, I think I'm you know,
we'll see, we'll see where it goes. I just I
just hope that it goes away soon. Well, for fifty
(41:36):
four minutes on this show, it did. Thank you very much.
I've never been happier.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
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whether or not he wins the Syngerward this year. We
have to spend some time on that last night all
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joking aside was a pressure filled pressure packs start for
Hunter Green, and he absolutely delivered. He has been awesome
over the course of the last calendar year. He has
been awesome over the course of his last twelve starts
to the tune of like a one to one o
e er and uh boy, it would be a shame
if he doesn't get a chance to pitch in October.
We're going to spend some time on that. But first,
(01:25):
our guy, Paul Danner Junior's with us. Look like you
had notes, now, look at notes on your phone.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I was trying to look up a Hunter Green's high
school football career so that I could properly transition in.
He did play some high school football, according to the
Internet on my very rudimentary search that I just did.
Gave it up relatively early. Yeah, because I think the
right call. It appears baseball was going to work out.
Baseball things working out all right. But maybe there's some
traits that we can talk about with him, you know,
(01:52):
as we get into you know what tomorrow is though.
Have you have you prepared everyone that plans to print
I'm ready? Have you let them know? Yes? You checked
on a printer the toner situation. It's ready the cartridges,
it's well, I don't know, you may want to, you
may want to get it ready because the Beast does
come out tomorrow at six am.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I set aside my own ream of paper, right, I
did this, my own ream of paper to put in,
hit print, then go to lunch, and then come back
and the thing will be done and all my coworkers
will be met at me because I've printed the Beast.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yes, can't wait, can't wait for that, And it's there's
They've also we've added in a full like mini website
that's basically on top of the normal PDF that you
will print and keep here, that you can go into
that's a little more interactive as well. So extra extra
on the Beast tomorrow. It's really it's the official like, okay,
(02:44):
it's here now, everybody buckle up. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, when I was a kid, uh and sports talk
radio kind of launched in Cincinnati on a full time
basis when I was in high school, and I remember
listening to Jerry Jones the Drugstore List, and I remember, like,
you know, listening and I had something to write down,
like I get to mail away for this drugstore List done,
by this pharmacist from Marymont who sounds like a draft
(03:10):
expert when he's on with Lance McAllister or whoever. And
it was eight bucks, and I would like, all right,
well I have eight dollars. I can send him eight dollars. Well, no,
it's got to be a credit card. And then I
have to add could I use the credit card? And
then and then later on, when I was in college,
I subscribed to Mel Kuiper's newsletter, and this is like
the latest and best and most improved version of both
of those. The Dan Bruglar Beast.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot out there, as people know,
like there's no shortage of draft content, yes, but when
it comes to truly like as legitimate as it gets,
as well sourced as it gets truly in contact with
every scout, every team, I mean the nuggets that you
get just reading through like the twenty third ranked running
(03:53):
backs bio about why he failed his chemistry class, like
that stuff. The depth that he goes to it is is,
you know, we the athletic were full of all of
these people. A lot of us came up in newspapers,
were very much like proud to be sort of hard
charging journalists. We are all so jealous to see somebody
have a project that is just the epitome of reporting
(04:15):
in every way, shape and form that Dane puts out
and it's uh, it's it gets its due every year.
It gets the love every year, and it deserves it
because it's it's one of the best things that comes
out of our entire organization.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You always podcast with them, and we're always lucky enough
to get them on the show, which tearing that's a
reminder to get Dan Bruger on the show. I enjoy
talking with him about the process of putting the Guide
together more than I actually enjoy talking about the draft
with them.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, no, I I agree. I always just say what's
your what's your favorite obscure nugget, you know, and and
he's probably has about one hundred of them that he
could go to. But I write a story off of
it every year, just on stuff Bengals related, sort of
connections that you that you find in terms of how
it to affect their draft, and it's not hard to
do when you really start diving into it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm gonna give you my sort of very basic, almost
remedial dumb GUYE draft take as it relates to the Bengals. Okay,
actually two of them. Here's number one. If the Bengals
win a Super Bowl with Joe Burrow as quarterback, this
draft will be a huge reason why. And if they don't,
this draft will be a huge reason why. This is
(05:20):
a pivotal draft for a thousand different reasons. If they
screw this up, the window is gonna shut without a title.
If they get this right, Joe Burrow is going to
lead us to a parade.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I think that's probably a little it's probably too general.
I mean, I don't I think that this year, I
more so than any I think this year will be
affected by what happens here where that's not always the case, right,
you know, you can you can usually speak more of oh,
(05:53):
the next in the window in the next three to
four years. I think like this year is the one
that's going to be most effect because they have more
time to fix some of the ailments going down the line,
and you can, you know, you can figure out ways
to reform it. But they have found themselves in this
spot where like this draft needs to produce help this year,
and it can. It sets up to be able to
(06:15):
do so. And if they do it right, and no one.
Now I'm not saying a clean sweep of six for
six hit picks and two home runs, and you know,
no one's saying that. But if they just if they
get I need four doubles, they I think that's probably
asking a lot. I mean four doubles a lot. Doubles
are hard to get. I mean if maybe by the
(06:36):
by the time you get to January, you've got a
couple of doubles in a single I mean, some of
the best drafts, you're getting three really good players out
of them, right, and they will, they would take that
today and and run to the season, especially if it's
at certain positions. But I don't, you know, I just
think they they really need to hit in a couple
of spots more so than they normally do. It's and
(06:58):
that's an uncomfortable place to be in as you sit
here on April eighth, But that's where they're at.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But I say four doubles because they've whifted free agency
and because they've whifted previous drafts. The jury is still
out about last year. There's a lot of encouraging signs
that point to last year's draft being a success. But
like I put a lot on this draft for the
reasons you just articulated, but I kind of feel like
they need more than the normal load. You're right, a
typical draft if there's three good players, a couple of
(07:26):
guys that you signed to a second contract. Successful haul.
But when you have you did you the athletic did
the city by city sort of team needs post free agency?
Yours red light The Bengals team needs pre free agency.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I got it right here. Change hard to pin down
just one need.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And you go through a defensive tackle, linebacker, long term
replacement at safety, pretty much, backup, swing tackle, pretty much
everybody but receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Well, and that's the case. You you might not need
four all pro.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Guys, but you need a lot of dudes who can
step in and help instantly.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Not only do they need something out of this class,
they need more out of previous class. Like it's like
it's the combination of both. They just need more and
it eventually like you find yourself here organizationally at some
points in time, and a lot of times it's when
you're spending a lot of money at the top end
of your balance sheet and they're they're doing that where
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you do have to say all right, young guys gotta
do it, go get them, and that's okay, Like I
don't have a huge problem with that. At a certain point,
you're you're gonna be defined by whether you're young guys
become something, and if they do, that ends up being
the heartbeat of teams that make runs. That happens all
the time, and those teams tend to get kicked a
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little bit in the offseason because they let flashy name
veterans that you know go that gets signed for expensive
contracts afterward, and it turns out the young player that
has the path cleared for their opportunity ends up being
better than that older player ever really was, and everybody
benefits in the long run. I think you see that
happen all the time. One that stands out to me
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the Bills last year. They got kicked last offseason for
Stefan Diggs and them most they're hitting a restart button
for Josh Allen and and what happened. They maybe had
their best team because all of these young players came
in and they sort of started growing together, and Josh
Allen obviously played great, but it can be like that,
and they're obviously banking on that it has to be
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like that some years. That doesn't change the pressure on
this year, but I do think that's that is where
they're at. This is one of those years that you're
gonna come into camp and you're gonna say there's a
lot of hope out here. And that doesn't necessarily mean
that it's the wrong plan, but it's the one that
they're gonna be playing in twenty twenty five. Two doubles
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and two singles. There you go. I think that's fair.
Two doubles and two singles. Yeah, one of them's a
bunt single, but he gets on, Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well I'm not pro bunt, but I mean they need
any four guys who reach base. I'll take two doubles,
a single, and an intentional walk, like I need four
players who can come in this.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Year and make an instant impact.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't do mock drafts, as you well know, you've
done one full one point zero that counts, one that counts.
But when I've looked at the draft order, I just
find myself trying to find teams that will trade with
them because I look at let's see, you can make
a case they need defensive tackle, defensive end, linebacker, safety, guard,
swing tackle. They say, you can never have enough corners. Golly,
(10:35):
gen could use another running back. I'm like, well, I
need more picks. I need more picks. So you wrote
about how the Bengals view of the draft in their
offseason doesn't necessarily mesh with the public consensus, right, but
I think there would be a lot of public support
for the idea of trading down. Do you think the
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Bengals view it the same way?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I mean I think you at the makeup of
this first round, there's a pretty good chance all the
blue chip prospects on their board are gone. I mean,
that's the nature of what this is. It's not a
great year for blue chip right now. Then there's a
lot of guys that are the same, and there's a
lot of guys that maybe they feel like really would
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fit them, somebody that you know, Charlie and I spent
a lot of time on Monday's pod talking about safety
and linebacker, which is a very much looking like an
immediate need that's kind of gone up the pecking order
when you start talking to them. And a guy like
Malachi Starks, who just seems like a man, a great
fit and all character team a does everything. Team leader,
(11:40):
the type of person you can rely on and trust
in the back of your of your defense man that
feels like exactly what they need. You don't need to
take them necessarily at seventeen, mate, maybe you could have
a better chance of getting them at twenty two and
twenty three, and maybe there's four or five. There's probably
four or five guys like that that you feel like,
even throw Derek Harmon in that mix. Throw a lot
of guys that feel like, well, you wouldn't take them there,
(12:01):
but they'd be good fits for the Bengals and you
could move back they need more picks. You know, this
feels like one where they would love to The problem
is who's coming up? Right? And you run into what
are they coming up for? Is is it Shador does?
Does He's I don't know that Shador is gonna make
it past New Orleans at nine. I don't if Shador
Sanders is there in the middle rounds. I am disconnecting
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every cable television, every subscription service. I'm not gonna be
able to withstand the shouting. Well it is there, you know?
Is there a run? Is there a run that's gonna
happen at a position, whether it's edge rushers. A lot
of teams with similar needs are right around the Bengals range,
but the Bengals kind of at the front of that.
The Bengals seattle. There's a few teams that have similar needs,
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or maybe a team from behind them would want to
get in at the front of that run and the
Bengals co movement. There's always maybe some kind of a way. Now, historically,
we know the Bengals are probably gonna stick pick and
that's kind of been their mo They'll see somebody they'll like,
they'll select him. This would be a year that you
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would think that they would certainly be maybe more interested
than normal than moving back because of the needs, because
of you know this missing the seventh round pick, but
certainly in round two something that they have been predisposed
to do a bunch move back in round two to
add a you know, a fourth round pick, where you know,
when you look at their needs on the defensive line
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and the makeup of this draft where there's all of
these defensive linemen, your value really can show up in
round three and four. We're just by the sheer numbers
of it. There's just a lot of teams that they're
not going to take two and three of these guys,
so they these guys just kind of get a little
pushback board and maybe they get somebody with a late
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second round grade in round four. Well, adding a fourth
round pick can be more valuable, and the Begels might realize, like,
we can't ask for much because not a lot of
teams me trying to come up. Well, if that's what
if you're gonna move back a few in the first
round and you have all the players kind of the
same and you add a four that might be more
valuable to you that fourth round pick than normal too.
So maybe that if that's all it takes. If that's
(14:12):
maybe that's where the connection comes. I think they need
to be finding creative ways to add picks. There's no
question about it. When you think about the needs and
you think about where they're at. It needed to have
more swings at this thing, There's no doubt about it.
Moving back trading is the most obvious way they would
love to. I just really have a hard time figuring
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out who's coming up. That's really my struggle with it.
Paul Danner Jr.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
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Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yep, me and Charlie and then Ryan Wilson was in
that as well. Very good.
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Speaker 3 (14:58):
I gotta tell you, you know what, though, Brian and
Charlie have have certainly helped me process this, sure, you know.
And that's what I appreciate is like a true view
of what's going on. And sometimes it has been a
true view that has been a little harsh. But I
feel like it's about knowledge. Knowledge is power model sure right,
And I feel like I have a good understanding of
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what's happening now and that helps me be a little
more comfortable with the sadness. I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
As good as those two are, I can help you
understand what's going on.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
They can't hit we I mean, I get it. Yeah,
you know. I don't want to take anything away from
what those maybe they need to up it from from
one hundred dollar bills to like three hundred dollars. If
anytime somebody doesn't.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Good inflation, you know, dollars doesn't go as far as
it goes to. All right, twenty minutes after three o'clock.
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Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, and I like this.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That conversation made me think more about the secondary on
this team and how I don't think we have talked
about it nearly enough.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, That's that's been That's been a theme coming out
of last week at Palm Beach. And not not corner
I think. I mean, I think we've talked about this
is what they're doing. Like, I don't. I don't see.
I would be really surprised if one of six picks
was a corner, even the sixth round, even the six round,
even the sixth round pick, I don't. I think that
(17:27):
they've got enough of young guys, They've got enough guys
that maybe project as potentially backup corners in the league.
To add more to that, I don't think they need that.
I I think safety has quickly, you know, I think
when you can listen to them talk about the plan
and we'll listen to them, maybe not quite talk about Genostone,
(17:48):
you know, or when they do, it's always with a hedge.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah right, there's there's talking about Las Vegas raider Geno Stone, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Ques. You know, it's like Justin Simmons is still out
there and there's other options, but I think it just screams, Look,
we like some of these safeties, and we like the
idea of drafting over Ginostone or you know, Nicky man
Wari from South Carolina, Malekai Starks from Georgia. It's it's
(18:19):
very scarce at the top of this draft. Xavier Wats,
obviously Notre Dame is the ultimate. Trust in Al. If
you're gonna say if Al says this is the key,
you go with it. He knows him better than anybody
else in the entire country. So maybe at forty nine
you say Xavier Watts is the guy, and you're planning
on him basically starting you know, over Genostone, or maybe
there's a situation where you're like, we're gonna play a
(18:40):
lot of three safety and Emon Warry could be the
drop down in the box kind of you know, sub
package linebacker, versatile piece that can kind of do a
ton of stuff and be a playmaker that they need
an elite athlete. Cool, right, you're here for all of it,
but they need more. They need so much more there
and it just doesn't feel like there's this big buy
And then like running Gino's stone back out there, and
(19:03):
then you look at the makeup of this draft like
you're not getting anybody to change that opinion on what's
happening at safety. Outside of those three guys, really everybody
else will go in round three or have a big
have a question mark for one reason or another that
you have to talk yourself into, and so you end
up spending a lot of time thinking like, well, maybe
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that's a big part of their plan, like maybe that
is it. Maybe they feel like between those three they'll
be able to do it, but they obviously need more there,
you know. And that's with them being very bullish on
Jordan Battle as the other guy, which sounds solid. So yeah,
I think that feels like a pretty significant priority and
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one that you can put those three names and if
you see them come off the board, it's gonna be
news inside the Bengals draft room.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So you mentioned Corner and have you ever like planned
on doing something four months out? And sounds like a
good idea, and then the more you think about it,
you're like, I don't know, man, Right, So a few
months ago we were talking about like the off season
and what they had in front of them on defense
and it needed an overhaul. But if there was an
area of the team that you thought you might be
(20:14):
comfortable kind of running it back with a bunch of guys,
that would be at corner. And I felt that way
pretty strongly two and a half months ago. I don't know, man,
I don't know, man. You know, I still kind of
feel that way, but not like I did back in January.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I don't know, dude, I know, I know, but it's
it's it's the ultimate when you get when you get
there and you're like, uh, you're at the front door
of the party, yeah, and you're like, maybe we shouldn't
have come, right, Maybe maybe this would maybe we should
Maybe I don't want to be in this room, you know,
like really bad things could happen. Yeah. I think that's
the case. I also think that's the case at defensive line.
(20:58):
I think that's the case at linebacker. I don't see
a position on defense that that's not the case. Where
you're like, I don't know, man, and I think that's again,
but it goes back to it. There's just lots of
hope out there. Yes, there's lots of hope and projection,
and that's an uncomfortable place to be in when you
don't have proof of concept. But would you be surprised,
I think you would be.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You'd be surprised if the draft comes and goes and
there's not a defensive tackle.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I wouldn't be stunned. I think there will be one,
but I wouldn't be floored if there wasn't. I have edge.
I think they're going to be looking more in the
edge area than they are going to be necessarily in
defensive tackle. I mean they're both sure. I mean you
wrote that, I think that. Yeah. I mean there's there's
(21:44):
always going to be room to add a premier player.
But in terms of if they went by and didn't
add you can hear the conversation, right well, Miss Slayton
and BJ Hill. We believe in Jenkins and Jackson and
and you can hear that. You can hear and there's
like a where were the snap gonna come from? They
could obviously add another one, but they re signed BJ Hill,
they have Chris Jenkins. At a certain point, they have
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to believe in Chris Jenkins and bj Hill as their rotation,
and they need pass rush. They don't need another They
have Slayton and McKinley Jackson. They don't need another big
run stopper type, a third big guy like that. Right
that's certainly not with a premium pick as much for
right now, you would take it if you felt like
it something fell to you. But when that's the case,
you're like, are they they're not gonna go over extend themselves,
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And when you only when you have a certain amount
of picks, you're like, well, edge feels more like the
spot that can add a player today at any level
in terms of first round to sixth round, and that's
a much bigger priority than defensive tackle does as much
right now.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
But the point being, there are a lot of areas
where they're gonna run it back with some guys who
were here. Yeah, and they might do that at edge,
but if they didn't take a guy, you'd be surprised.
Line by, you'd be surprised if they didn't take a
guy safety. I think we'd be surprised if they didn't
take a guy corner or just sort of accepting that they're.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Not They're not. Yeah, I mean I don't see it,
and I don't and I understand it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's it's I understand it. But man, if I'm watching
them get cooked in September, we're all gonna go, you know,
shouldn't we have seen this coming? Like I I think
there's upside there. I think we all agree there's upside.
There's a lot of guys they drafted early, like there's
there's there's some upside there.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
But the collective downside to that group, what are you
gonna do? No, you can't. I mean, what are they
gonna do? They need new blood everywhere? Okay, and they have.
They have a collection of guys there MO that have
had and not just flashes like solid runs are good play,
almost all of them where you felt like you can
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see it, and they're young, and they're athletic, and and
they they've just had these weird fits and starts, and
so you feel like, all right, that is so much
of where Al Golden has to step in and be
able to find it with these guys. And when you
have all of these other spots where you had don't
have guys that have even had that right or you
have no one right in terms of safety and linebacker
(24:14):
really and where you're talking about Okay, well we don't
even have flashes here. We don't even have anything that
you can really hang your hat on. I think they
feel like they have more that they can hang their
hat on. At corner. Then probably then dessert then's deserved
because they kind of because in comparison to other spots,
It's true, I'm I'm not totally at the I don't
(24:37):
want to go in this party position. I'm not either
like I'm but I'm you're at the door.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You're at the door like I'm in the driveway, and
look at my wife going, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
There's we can do something else. Yeah, I'm doing I'm
doing the face as I hit the doorbell or like
knock on the door or whatever I'm doing. They're like,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I could envision a scenario where at that position it
works because of the combination of upside the individual players
and Al Golden coaching them up.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I could see that happening, but I could also see
it backfiring.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, and if that does, then none of this other
stuff matters all that much.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I have a harder time seeing it come together on
the defensive line in terms of pass rush though, like
like if we're talking and I have a hard thing
stand right now, yeah, Like if you don't add another body,
you're just I've been a big proponent of Miles Murphy.
But if you're not adding another body, if you're not
(25:39):
adding more juice somewhere, then you're in a lot of trouble.
And that's before we mentioned the guy who were trying
to get through a show, not talking about right now
in his situation, and so like I just I just
am saying I look at that, and that feels more
makes me more uneasy, that makes me want to go home.
I'm not going to the party, like I'm in the
car turned around. I never showed up, Yes, I never.
(26:03):
I never. I went out, I picked up some food
and I turned around and went home like that was it.
I'm not I'm not going. And I feel the same
way about linebacker, like I in the same way about safety.
With with that where and so I think it's it's
comparative whereas I feel I feel like you can see it.
I can see it. I'm going into the party with
the corners right now, and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I'm going into the party, but like I have on
my radar something else I want to go do.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Well, yeah, you got it out.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, I've got it out, like i've oh yeah, uh,
you know, sitter sitters having a problem. So like I'm
I'm I'm my hands on the eject button.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, you've gone over the signals with with you know,
your significant other at the door, You're like, okay, when
I rub my nose like this, it's time to go.
So if we see Al Golden in week four looking
at Zach Taylor doing the nose, moya, we were in
a problem spot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Like I'm to the point where like I'm at the party,
but I'm keeping my wife close by because you can't
separate because then it's hard to gather and go.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah you're going. It's harder to do the Irish goodbye.
Everybody might yes four, I don't want to do an
Irish goodbye with these corners. If this blows up, there
might be a lot of people saying goodbye for the party.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
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Speaker 3 (27:24):
Oh, I thought we were gonna do it. I thought
we're gonna make it to the ad. We're gonna try. Okay,
I'll give you a choice.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Do you want to talk about the Bengals and Trey
Hendrickson or the Bengals maybe moving to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I'll take Chicago. Chicago.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
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Speaker 2 (27:38):
Are the Bengals going to move to Chicago because Mike
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We'll do that.
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Danner Juniors here for another twenty minutes or so. From
The Athletic and the Growler podcast. When will they cut
Jermaine Pratt?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I don't know. I would assume that the draft is
very much affecting this, right, Yeah, I mean I think
you reach to the point where, uh, Charlie and I
talked about this on Monday about where you know, it
takes like a ten part parlay, you know, for something
to happen. It's kind of happened with Joe Mixon a
(29:38):
couple of years ago, where it looked like there's he's
probably not going to be back or whatever it was,
and all of a sudden, like all the legs that
the parlay start to hit, and then all of a sudden,
Joe Mixon is back, right and this feels like right
now on the on the ten leg parlay with your
main Pratt, the first six legs hit, and you're like,
you're looking at the heads, You're looking at the cash out,
(29:59):
and I'm or You're like, well, maybe you have to
cast this out. Maybe this ends up where it ends up,
because if things fall poorly for them in the draft
and they don't feel like they get any answer, it's
not like there's just a bunch of starting linebacker level
players sitting out there, they're not And so maybe you
(30:21):
come back to the table and you say, your Maine buddy,
we always loved you. Would you come play hard here
for us? Maybe should we can we talk about it?
Is this something that you can we talk about? I
feel like you're close to getting to that conversation. I
think they're they're kind of hoping that the draft gets
them a place where at least they could say, we
(30:43):
feel like by the guy that we took, whether it's
in round two or round three or whatever, by week
eight could should be the answer. Orren Burks could get
us to week eight, you know, uh, and and and
that can or maybe maybe sooner. But you know, if
you don't feel like you can even say that, if
you didn't even get that, then you got to start saying, Okay,
(31:08):
that's a couple more legs at the parlay that have hit,
and you've got to start to have that conversation again.
I don't think that's what anybody had in mind here
or anybody wants. I still don't think he's back, but
you do have to realistically start to reassess your options
depending on what happens at that position in a couple weeks.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
When he tries to tackle people, he looks like my
daughter trying to tire her.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Shoot. It was not the best. It was not the best.
You need to put the film on. He actually, you know,
he did a I didn't think I'd see anybody that
did such a good Nick Vigil impression ever. Again, who
did the running with arms extended move? You know where
it's just like not really running like a normal person,
(31:53):
but just running with arms extended and then just kind
of quitting the vigil. The vigil We've seen everybody, everybody
that's a Bengals fan knows the vigil, and so there
was a lot of that happening. You know, there's a
lot of like, it's just better if we just find.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You has had his moments here, Yeah, and maybe one
of the biggest, Yeah, one of the biggest defensive plays
in the history of the franchise. I am more than
willing to shake hands and go mistackle some hard.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It's really hard to come back from. We're gonna go
a different direction in January too. Can I get your
full effort here?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Next in the next season? Like that's a that's a
really hard move with a new coordinator and trying to
have a new energy to your entire defense and flush
everything that was the last two years in terms of
all the bad results. That's a really hard refresh. So
I think it's the it's not what they want to do.
You could like.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Always sell people on the idea that he was only
the second most unreliable guy named Jermaine on the on
the team last year.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
It's true, right, Yeah, that's true. He was able to
get on the field. He showed he did show up
for practices in Slan Burton's on a quiet all season
that we know of. Yeah, that's that's for the best problem.
You can't make noise hasn't had a practice to show
up at you exactly. You know, I prove it every weekend.
You can't be late to your living room. Man, like.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk says the Bengals should
move to Chicago.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Your thoughts. Mike Florio loves this, like this, Mike Florio
loves to do this to Bengals face like it's it's like,
it's just a joy now I have I can see.
I have this vision of Mike Florio sitting at his
desk thinking about this and probably talks to an agent
and somebody else and they talk themselves into this like
(33:51):
ten Domino scenario, right, and then they say I probably
shouldn't write it. He's like, but that video, so why
don't we just ride it? Right? Do you know what
the relocation fee was the last time that a l
nine fingers about seven hundred million was a number. So
(34:16):
there you go. How's that for an answer? The Bengals
are not paying seven a relocation fee.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Just get the people, the taxpayers at the new city
to pay for right.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
They're having a hard enough time getting that thing taken
care of just for one team, okay. You think they're
gonna be like okay, and the relocation fee on top
of this, okay, And you also you're gonna have to
negotiate with the Brown family on top of it all
while doing it like no, no, no, this is not
about this. This was never about that, and it's already
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become about something different than it was really about. When
we talked to Katie last week in pomp Peach.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I feel like that got aggregated poorly, poorly, and you
and I talked about it and we had fun with it,
and I joked about you moving with the Bengals if
they moved, and then the possibility of them moving to
your hometown of Mason. But as many here have pointed out,
she stayed at a preference to stay in town. Yes,
and pretty emphatically so yeah, and to the best of
(35:16):
my knowledge, without prompt like she was asked about the
stadium situation, but unprompted, within that answer said we want
to stay downtown.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Now I asked specifically about is that an option for
you guys to move to another county, and she said,
we like downtown. We want to be downtown. I this
is where our focus is, and this is we think
this is a good spot. It's where we want to be,
it's what we want to do. And then everything else
(35:45):
was like, of course, yeah, we would have that option,
sure to move and legal. That's that's correct. She's stating
the facts of the situation. Those are options. Their focus
and I one hundred percent believe this between now and
June thirtieth is getting this done and staying downtown. Then
if that doesn't happen, if they start looking at other options,
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the other outside counties would be something that they could
have as options. I do not, in at all believe
that leaving the Cincinnati market is even an option. And
so that is I mean, that's just the bear was poked,
and I think Florio loves this stuff, and so he
he's going to push it out there and and do
(36:26):
that stuff. I don't that's not well.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
And like and I read Pro Football Talk and I
have for twenty years. I mean, I can respect the
niche that he has carved out, but people took that
and lost their mind, and I'm like, why would you
even read that?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Would why are you even entertaining this? Well, like, what
what good is? You are feeding the beast? If you
do that, you are giving him what he wants if
you if you respond, if you get starred up and
and again. I read his website, and I think there's
a lot of good stuff on there, but that in particular,
I saw the headline and said, that is not worth
my time, right, that is not worth my energy, and
(37:05):
it's not worth anybody else's energy.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
But I did just get six minutes of radio out
of it. Yeah, exactly. I mean I get where it
comes from. It's it's directly from the San Diego situation
in LA. I mean it's it's San Diego, smaller market,
wasn't as much interest in doing the stadium. Move them
right up there, join them with the rams built so far.
Then you have New York Chicago and LA could withstand it,
could could take that. I get it. It's just that's
(37:29):
not this is not the answer here, you know, it's
it's not the answer here. Chicago Bengals. Sure, whatever, I'm
not I'm not I'm not even going I'm entertaining this
any farther. Maybe I do want to talk about treehn No,
I want to play.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I want to fling it back to the draft here
really quick before we go, because what's interesting to me
is you and I talked about Bengals draft possibilities for
twenty five minutes and I'm not sure either one of
his broached guard.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Well, just because we were spending so much time on
the defense. I think it's priority one and it's not guard.
It is gu It is is better offensive lineman. Yes,
right now. I think position flex is a big part
of you know that. To me, that becomes the selling
point of using number seventeen overall on it is if
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you get somebody who can be something today and something
else tomorrow, tackle tomorrow, or maybe even a guard center
whatever you know, like Grey's abel Get has been brought
up recently North Dakota State. He could be a center guard.
He's a multi position type. Yeah, exactly. He could get
to show you that I've studied. Congratulations the Beast comes
(38:39):
out tomorrow. You can read more, But I you know
he is. That's that's kind of an example of how
someone vaults into the seventeen conversation versus the forty nine
overall conversation. They have to hit this early. It's it
is what they are spending so much time trying to
make sure they get this right. They know they just
(39:00):
can't blow this one. They have in the past, they
have for a decade plus. You went over the line
last week twenty eleven, the last time they drafted a
player and they gave him a second contract in the
offensive line. They have to get this one right. There
are opportunities to do so. There's plenty of players to
choose from that could help them, that could start Day
one in both the first and second round. It is
(39:21):
a focus, and so I think to me, I would
maybe even put it as priority one. I think I
did in my piece having as priority one because of
you know, they still don't have a swing tackle either,
and just adding more good players, particularly if they have
versatility to cover their bases. I mean, let's talk about
last year at tackle. Okay, Orlando Brown has not had
(39:44):
an injury history, but he did last year, right, and
he fought through stuff, and he's a bigger guy, and
that can be a Marius Mims knocking him coming out
the injury stuff that was in his past. He didn't
play all of last year, he had his injury issues himself.
You better make sure you in good shape at back
tackle when you had the what happened both last year
and and and in the case of MEM's longer on
(40:06):
in his career, and obviously the holes at guard. So
those stand out as one player with the ability to
really do both and impact both can go a long
way to sustaining this season. And so they they recognize that,
I you know, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised
if it's the only offensive position they end up taking
this draft, they'll be running back probably late. I think
(40:29):
round five running back feels like the most the thing
I would bet the most amount of money on is
round five running back literally trying to do the Chase
Brown button again. But outside of that, you know, this
is the one. I mean, this is this is where
it's at.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
We we did basically an hour and we didn't talk
about Trey Hendrickson, And unless he does something kind of
dopey in the days leading up to the draft, we
might get through the rest of April without talking about
Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Not betting on that of him not doing something dope.
It just feels like something dopey. No, I'm not saying him.
You just feel like something dope has been happening. This
all is gonna happen. There's always something dopey happening in
the Hendrickson situation. So I'm not I'm not counting. Do
me a favor.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
If something does happen and you have to write about it,
will you include the word dopey?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yes, Oka the latest dopey turn. And it's not always
the Bengal's fault or tra Henderson's fault the media. This
thing is no dopey. This whole thing is dopey. This
whole thing is dopey. No, I think I'm you know,
we'll see, we'll see where it goes. I just I
just hope that it goes away soon. Well, for fifty
(41:36):
four minutes on this show, it did. Thank you very much.
I've never been happier.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
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Speaker 2 (41:39):
The Growler Podcast the Athletic dot Com, And while you're there,
make sure you look out for the Beast Dan Burglar's
twenty twenty five Draft guide, which is essential if you're
at all into the draft. And we'll see you next week.
Looking forward to it Paul Danner Junior six away from
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