4/14/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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That's right, that's right. What's up. It's five minutes after
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Hope you had an aucid weekend. Hope you're having a
glorious Monday. I just dropped the piece of paper I
had in my hands and nearly fell out of my stool.
So the show is show's off to a great start.
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at Gusta yesterday, and we need to remember who runs
the Cincinnati Bengals. All of that coming up a little
bit later on. But you know where I'm starting. You
know it, it's not it's it's not that hard to
figure out. If you know anything about this show, if
you know anything about me, you know where I'm start.
We're gonna start by talking about my guy Hunter Green
two thousand. Remember last year, last summer, Hunter Green pitched

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in the All Star Game, and the sort of people
who you knew were rooting against him in the All
Star Game had their moment because he was very good
in the All Star Game, and you had people who
went out of their way to amplify a meaningless exhibition
game in his brief appearance in it. As that was
evidence as to why Hunter Green was never going to
live up to the hype. That's why Hunter Green wasn't

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worth the amount of time we spend on him. Well,
I wonder what those people are doing now now, Like
those are folks that were out there on social media.
But I was on the air the next night, I
was in for Lance the next night. I took phone
calls from people who were like, legitimately up set that
Hunter Green got roughed up in the All Star Game
last year. How about now, how about now my guy

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Hunter Green? By the way, and I tried, you know,
we don't do Locks of the Night anymore. Although We're
certainly open to trying it. If somebody wants to bring
back the segment for us, I can put you in
touch with one of our aes. But we did do this.
I read for you the National League Cy Young Award
odds back right before opening day. Hunter Green was at

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plus twenty two hundred. Paul Sken's the odds on favorite
at plus three hundred and understandably so my take was,
the value on Hunter Green is insane for a guy
who was an All Star last year, For a guy
who was eighth in the say Young voting, for a
guy who absolutely charged the wire like a thoroughbred last year.

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Buy it now. Well, those odds as of today FanDuel
dot Com slash Mo not plus twenty two hundred, more
like plus three and only getting better. Hunter Green was
awesome yesterday. He made the Pittsburgh Pirates look feeble. He
made the Pittsburgh Pirates look foolish. He did at the
Pittsburgh Pirates what a bona fide staff ace is supposed

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to do. You know, we talked about his start, his
start last Monday, that game against the Giants, which you know,
looks more and more like maybe it's gonna wind up
being a turning point. They're three and seven. This is
a week ago. They're three and seven. They just lost
three out of four to the Brewers. They're playing a
San Francisco team that at that point had lost just
one game so far. They needed a great start from

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Hunter Green. They needed a great start from Hunter Green
that night, in large part because the offense did next
to nothing. Every inning was a high leverage inning. Every
pitch you could argue, was a high leverage pitch. And
yet he was efficient, he was effective, he was dominant,
and he delivered a win that the Reds badly needed.
The question was can they use it as a jumping

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off point? And yes, they lost the finale on Wednesday
in heartbreaking fashion. Yesterday a little bit of a different issue. Right,
you got your ace on the hill, you got your hammer,
you got an off day today, You've just won the
first two of the series. You've bounced back nicely from that.
Just heartbreaking loss on Wednesday. If a game in April
can be heartbreaking, And now, all right, let's finish off

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the sweep. Let's go into the off day and get
back to five hundred and hunter Green just Toyd, even
though he got no defensive help early. I do not
know what Jake Frayley is doing sometimes on defense he
toyed with the Pittsburgh Pirates and the Reds win the
game and the back to five hundred and now getting
a little bit healthier with a schedule that in the

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coming weeks is a little forgiving. Well, if you feel
pretty good about where the Reds are right now, you
should if you're like me, and you're a Hunter Green guy,
and I was a Hunter Green guy when it wasn't fashionable.
Over his last thirteen starts, Hunter Green's era is one
last thirteen starts era one point zero zero. If you

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don't know how era's work. That's one earn run per
nine innings. That's a good Opposing hitters are hitting just
one twenty nine against him one twenty nine. Now, there
are better and more nuanced metrics that you could use
to talk about a pitcher's effectiveness or lack thereof, if

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you want to use them, if you want to find him,
by all means, go out. His last thirteen starts, Hunter
Green's strikeouts to walk ratio is ninety to twenty one.
He has given up just four home runs. That's Hunter
Green as last thirteen starts. All those starts, by the way,
came after the All Star break last year, when remember

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people got mad at the fact that Hunter Green wasn't
very good in the All Star Game. Hunter Green this
year leads the league in wins above replacement. He leads
the league in innings pitched. He is the best walks
and hits per innings pitched ratio in the sport. He
has the best hits per nine innings ratio in the sport. Yeah,

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you should have bought those cy Young odds back on
March twenty sixth when they were at plus twenty two hundred.
He was awesome yesterday, and you I hope we run
out of superlatives when it comes to Hunter Green. I
haven't yet. But the big picture thing with Hunter Green
is you add him to a staff that is really
really good right now. Like, if your week link is

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Nick Martinez, forget what he's making, Like the Reds kind
of backed themselves into that. Forget what he if he's
your weak link. If he's your fifth starter, boy, that's
really really good. Nick Ldolo pitches tomorrow. He was awesome
in his last start. Brady Singer has been very solid
and lost himid Elie de la Cruz hitting a Grand

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Slam on his bobblehead night. Andrew Abbott came back on
Saturday and gave the Reds a good start. This starting
staff is championship caliber. The question is can the offense
do what it needs to do. And they should be
getting some guys back here very very soon to give

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pictures like Hunter Green and Nicolodolo and others the stage
they deserve, which is October. Now, I get it. With
Hunter Green, there's also the question of can he stay healthy,
and it's the only box he hasn't checked yet. And
I can totally understand if you're like, dude, I need
to see Hunter get through a full season with no injuries,
no interruptions, no stays on the IL before I completely
and totally buy in as much as you do, mo,

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I understand that. Here's what I like. Okay, this team
is a starting staff right now where I think, based
solely on the starting pitcher, you think the Reds every
single night have a chance. I've said this about the
twenty twelve team. I love the twenty twelve Reds for

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selfish reasons, for personal reasons, like I love that year.
What am I three for all time favorite Red seasons.
I love that team. I hate how they ended the
season blowing a two zero lead against the Giants. I
have never allowed that to completely color how I feel
about that team or that season. What I love most
about that season is and I was doing shows, and

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I would every day read, all right, here's tonight's pitching matchup.
And it didn't matter if Johnny Quato was pitching, or
if Matt Latos was pitching, or if Homer Bailey was pitching,
or if Mike Leak was pitching. It didn't matter Bronson
Royo if he was pitching. Whoever the starting pitcher was
that night, you felt like, they've got a chance. They've
got a chance to win the game tonight. They should

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win the game tonight because of the starting pitcher. Now,
they obviously didn't win every night. And I'm certainly not
here to tell you that I think this year's team
is as good as that twenty twelve Reds team. That
twenty twelve Reds team won ninety seven games. They had
elite players like Joey Vado, They had very good players
like Jay Bruce and Brandon Phillips. Everything really came together well,
Scott Roland had a resurgence, Todd Frazier made an impact

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as a rookie. But the starting pitching every night, every night. Now,
that group stayed healthy, at least until Game one of
the National League Division Series. That group stayed healthy, and
everybody made every single start, with the exception of one
that was part of a doubleheader. But every day you said,
this team's got a chance at least because of the
starting pitcher. I'm getting there with this team now. The

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offense is not good. They scored fourteen runs over the weekend.
Oftentimes that's not gonna be good enough. They leave a
lot to be desired. I don't want to know what
happens on Saturday if Ellie doesn't hit the Grand Slam,
But the starting staff. If I tell you tomorrow Nick
Lodolo is going to pitch for the Reds, you go, yeah,
got a shot, even against old friend and a guy

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who's off to a good start himself, Luis Castillo. If
I tell you, well, Nick Martinez is gonna get the ball,
you don't feel as warm and as fuzzy as you
do when you hear that Hunter Green's gonna get the ball.
But still you feel like, all right, Nick Martinez can
give him a chance, and I don't think he's pitched
as well as he can. Brady Singer is gonna pitch
on three the afternoon. All right, You know what, with
the starting pitcher we have that day, we have more
than a chance. The question is is the offense gonna

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do what it can to take advantage of the starting
pitching they have. You know, we can make it about
the front office and is Nick Kral gonna go get
a bat? And I'm the first to tell you, you know,
you can make trades in April. You're allowed. You don't
have to wait till July. Chances are if they make
a move from the outside, it's only gonna happen close
to the deadline. Is this team gonna be good enough

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offensively to force the front office into a position where
they have no choice but to make a move to
upgrade the offense? And can that move help send Hunter
Green and Nicolodolo and Andrew Abbott and Brady Singer to
the postseason to let them pitch in playoff games, which
they so richly deserve. Sixteen minutes after three o'clock, our

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phone numbers are five point three seven four nine, fifteen,
thirty eight, sixty six, seven oh two three seven seven.
You'll hear Terry Francona in just a bit. Also Dan
O Dad from MLW network as well. On Hunter Green,
who was you know he was? You could say, well,
it's it's mo it's the Pirates, dude. That's the mark
of great pictures. Great pictures make bad teams look silly.

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Hunter Green made a bad team look silly yesterday at
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had the Masters yesterday which was an all timer. There's
always a bit of a test I applied to events

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Mo.

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Well, go to the Hebrin location or go to the
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Hunter Green was awesome. Yesterday the Reds sweep the Pirates.
They're back to five hundred at eight and eight. They
have bounced back. Give them credit. They started three and seven.
That's not a good start. They've bounced back to five hundred.
And they do enter a little bit of a stretch
where they play some some pretty beatable teams. We will see.
I'm not sure how good Seattle is. I think Baltimore

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is better than their record. I don't think Miami is
as good as their record, and they play the rock
He's during that stretch and they're atrocious. Anyway, here's Tito
after the game on his staff ace sometimes but have
you had moments like that with Hunter Green on the mound.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
You're right, because during the game you're trying to okay.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
If this happens, you know, just the nature of it.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
But if you're asking me if I think he's pitching good, yeah,
I mean it's been pretty special.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
What has been so special in your eyes?

Speaker 6 (14:26):
Again, I haven't been around him as long as everybody
else has, but I'm watching him work, and I think
you're seeing a young good player find the next gear.
You know, you watch him the day after he pitches,
he gets after it. You know he's learning. As I
don't want to say every player, but good players they learn.

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And I mean, man, he's just you know, he's got
to split now to go with the slider. He holds
his velocity, competes. It's been fun.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
It seems like Anna four the Times review at the nibble.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
And now it just seems like he's not operating first
rights and that.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Is bigs and I think that's learning. Not only do
you belong in the league, but you can thrive in
the league. I think DJ has done a great job
of talking to him and you know, like mentoring him.
And but I mean, if I had his stuff, i'd
attacked too. You know, it's got good stuff and.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, there you go. There's uh, Tito Francona, Terry Francona
with the reporters.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yesterday after the game, after Hunter Greens, Hunter Green, Hunter
Greens seven masterful innings. You know, he referenced something which
I think is important. You know when when Hunter got here,
when Hunter was drafted by the Reds, everybody said, well, yeah,
he throws hard, which is cool, but you know, he's
got to be able to throw something besides the fastball,
and he's got to develop secondary pitches. And then, more

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than anything, it was he's he's got to trust his
secondary pitches enough to throw them at any point in
the count. I'm no pitching savant, I'm no pitching expert.
It feels like he's willing to throw pretty much anything
he has in his arsenal at pretty much any time
in the count. It's fun to watch. So are the Masters.
So there are certain sporting events where I apply a

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little test, and yesterday's final round of the Masters pass
this test, so Rory McElroy wins. It exercises a ton
of demons at Augusta. And what was just awesome sports television,
and awesome sports television for me is when the event
can suck in portions of the audience who aren't huge

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fans of that particular sport, Like you could have known
nothing about golf yesterday, you could have never played golf,
You could not have known how many holes are on
a golf course. And yet I still think the raw
human emotion and human drama of Roy McElroy cruising along

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and then sort of sputtering on thirteen, putting himself back
in a position to win, hitting the bunker shot on eighteen,
then getting out, then missing the putt, then having to
go to the playoff, all with I think CBS doing
a very good job of kind of outlining what his
history at Augusta was, what else is he has accomplished
in his career, the fact that a career Grand Slam

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was on the line, Like, they did a great job
of telling that story. And I think if you were watching,
and maybe you didn't watch Thursday, Friday, Saturday, maybe you
don't watch other golf tournaments, maybe you're not even a
huge golf fan, I think you could still be sucked
in just because of the human drama, the human emotion,
the sense of relief that McElroy expressed as soon as

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he won the joy that he obviously carried with him
in his post round interview like it was it was
just it was awesome sports television. And we were talking
about this a little bit on since three sixty you know,
I know, nobody's supposed to say anything nice about the
announcers or the outlet that carries any major sporting event.
I thought CBS rose to the occasion yesterday, like at times,

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letting the moment speak for itself after he made the
putt to win the playoff. But I also think doing
a very good job of kind of coloring in the
details for you know, people who are watching on Sunday
afternoon that might not have known what was at stake
and might not be following golf on a week in,
a week out basis. And so there's always this little
test that I applied to sporting events like that, and

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it's it's when I hear from people who are not
fans of that particular sport. And I've had three or
four people, including one who works here, that I've never
talked about golf with, one that I've never really talked
about sports with, and in every instance they brought up

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yesterday at AUGUSTA they brought up the conclusion of the Masters,
which tells me, just that's the best part of sports.
I think, right, it's the human drama, it's the characters
like it reminded me a little bit. It's not the
best apples to apples comparison. It reminded me a little
bit of Dusty Baker winning the World Series with the
Astros a couple of years ago. Say what you want

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about the Astros as an organization. There were a lot
of folks who watched that, and the main storyline was,
is Dusty Baker, who's had this awesome baseball life, going
to finally win a World Series as manager, understanding that
if he did, a pretty damn good chance, he's gonna
end up in Cooperstown. I would have argued he should

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go to Cooperstown anyway. That's a different story. And so
when they won it, if you remember everybody huddled around
him and the dugout before running out onto the field,
the moment was very much about Dusty and the obvious
relief in his face and the emotion that he unleashed,
and the immediate aftermath. I thought that was really cool,
and I talked to a lot of people who are like, yeah,

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you know, don't really watch baseball if it's not the
Reds or I don't want the World Series every year.
But I watched that because I wanted to see if
Dusty Baker checked that box, wanted to see if he
could accomplish this thing that has eluded him, And watching
Roy McElroy yesterday felt to me at least very similar.
But there are certain sporting events that just seem to
suck in and captivate people who are not quote traditional

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fans of a particular sport. That yesterday was one of them.
I mean, I got here at work today at like
a quarter after one, and there's a young lady who
works here who I don't think is a huge golf fan,
and the very first thing she said to me was
did you watch that yesterday? And I knew exactly what
she was talking about. So that was a really cool

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sports moment. And Roy McElroy is now among the most
rarefied of players in the history of that sport, and
it was awesome to watch him check that final box
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be his first start against his former club six forty
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Night game on Wednesday, day game on Thursday. It's a
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by Postman Law. If you're injured, Postman delivers so a
lot of moving parts with the Reds injury wise, let's
start with I guess let's start with some good news.
Austin Hayes played nine innings for Louisville yesterday. It was
the third game of his rehab assignment. Went one for
four with a single and a stolen base. He is
two for nine so far in Louisville, including a home

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run on Saturday. Obviously coming back from that left calf string.
Tyler Stevenson has started catching drills and he is going
to catch a couple of bullpen sessions tomorrow. Alexis Diaz
throw him back to back games for Louisville on Friday
and Saturday. Struck out the side. On Friday. He allowed
two runs on three hits, including a two run dong,
but fourteen of his eighteen pitches were for strikes. Struck

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out a batter, did not walk anyone. Good piece today
in the Inquirer about Alexis Diaz and what maybe should
happen with him once he comes back, which the expectation
it's going to be tomorrow. Emilio Pagan has done a
nice job in the closer's role. Also, Matt McClain eligible
to come off the injury list on Tuesday. Red's have
said they hope he could return quickly. It is possible

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he could be activated tomorrow. Now that's the good stuff
for the most part. The good stuff. Bad news is
Sam Maull goes on the injury list retroactive to the
eleventh with a left shoulder impingement, and this is going
to be worth paying attention to as well. Carlos Jorge
was playing in center field for the Dayton Dragons last

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night against the Fort Wayne TinCaps, and he made a
really nice catch over the shoulder catch in the sixth
inning and he ran into the wall and after he
ran into the wall there were base runners. He spun
around and threw the ball back in and then instantly
like went down, like fell to the ground, and they

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ended up carding him off the field with what was
called an undisclosed injury. I have not seen an update
on him. He ranks twenty one among MLB Pipeline's top
reds prospects that worth paying attention to. It looked like
a really scary lower body injury. A leg injury. Will
certainly be paying attention to that. The Bengals are going

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to host local players at their annual pre draft local
player workout tomorrow. Forty five draft eligible players. I have
the entire list. The question is do I have to
read the entire list? And if so, do I have
to read the entire list more than Here's what we'll do.

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It's a tease. At five thirty five, I will read
all forty five names. I don't know that we should
do that every single hour, but maybe there's someone who's
waiting to hear one of these names on the radio,
and we'll provide them that opportunity at five thirty five.

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Forty five players NFL Draft a week from Thursday, and
FC Cincinnati's Gerardo of Alinzuela was named to the MLS
Team of the Match Day for match Day eight that
announced by Major League Soccer Today. Scored his first goal
of the year in FC Cincinnati's victory on the road
against DC United. I believe and I'm just looking at

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it right now. Yes, Pat Noonon will be on our
show tomorrow at four oh five, You head coach of
FC Cincinnati. Last time Patt Noton was on the show,
the team was just starting the season. They were in
Nicaragua and I asked Pat noon And to bring me
back some cigars and he did so. He is my
current favorite coach in Cincinnati. None of the other ones.

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You know. Richard Patina was with us two weeks ago. Guys,
he had to buy me a cigar. Scott Sadderfield was
with us last week. Guys, he had to buy me
a cigar. So Pat noon in favorite coach in Cincinnati.
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You know, it's it's easy to be excited about the
Red starting pitching, which is legitimately good and to a degree.
You know, they've played ten percent of the season, so
there's a lot of baseball to go and hopefully these
guys can stay healthy. The good news is there is
some depth here, Like there's no room for Carson Spyers

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right now in this rotation. We'll see what happens with
Ran Louder this year. We'll see if either of the
two chases can force their way out of the roster.
But right now, the Red starting staff looks really good.
There's a lot of promise with Hunter Green, a lot
of promise with Andrew Abbott and Nicko Lodolo. I think
we all believe that Brady Singer can be exactly what
he was brought here to be, which is a guy
who pitches a lot of innings and gives them some

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degree of reliability in the middle or back end of
that rotation. And we'll see how well Nick Martinez fairs. Admittedly,
he hasn't thrown the ball great, but I don't think
he's thrown the ball so poorly that he's worth giving
up on. So there's a lot to like about the
Red starting staff one through five. The Red starting staff
is the reason why this team has found a way

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to stay afloat despite having one of the worst offensive
teams in baseball. The starting staff is the main reason.
And by the way, the bullpen for the most part
has been pretty good too, in fact, in some cases
better than pretty good. But the starting staff is the
main reason why this team has stayed afloat despite they've

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been without Tyler Stevenson. Spencer Steer can't play the field.
They've been without Austin Hayes, Matt McClain has missed time
and yet eight and eight despite a three and seven start.
It also, though I think it's frustrating like it's it's

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frustrating because they have a starting staff that all along
was completely worth building around, completely worth you know, I
think the term all in is trite, but we'll use
it anyway, completely worth going all in with now. You
might not have forecasted super stardom for Hunter Green, and

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you might not have forecasted Nicolodolo having numbers that look
like what they look like, but you knew that the
red starting staff had a chance to be a strength,
and not just the strength of this team, but like
ay strength, one of the stronger starting staffs in all
of baseball, and the Reds have one right now. Until

(29:09):
this gets rectified, until the Reds have a more complete team,
they will subject them They will have subjected themselves to criticism.
Easy for me to say for not taking advantage of
this starting staff or not going as all in with it,

(29:31):
like we it's easy to do this, and this isn't.
This isn't to bring down the mood. If you're excited
about the fact that they won five of six, I'm
excited about the fact that they won five of six.
I'm hopeful that this team can stay in contention all
season long. And if they do, Green, Ladolo, Abbott, et cetera.
Are going to be the biggest reason why. And if

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they don't, the very good chance that injuries to the
starting staff. And again you're being reasonable if you're kind
of waiting for the other shooting in that regard. It
kills the starting staff and the team's not very good.
And there you go. But you can't help. You can't
help but see what the Red starting pitching has done
this season, which includes a lot of games they have lost,

(30:15):
or the starting staff. The starting pitcher did his job,
and to a degree, the bullpen did its job, and
they still lose. You can't help but watch this team's
pitching and wonder what might have been had they been
slightly more aggressive with the offense this offseason. And so
now the questions become, if you are as big a

(30:38):
believer in the Red starting pitching as I am, Number one,
when they get healthy and they're getting closer. When they
get healthy, can they stay healthy? And can they put
on the field a good enough offensive team that they're
not wasting on a consistent basis really good starts? And

(31:02):
then number two, what will they get from outside? What
will they get from another team via trade? What will
they get from outside? You might argue, as well, you
know what they might bring up from their own organization.
Will Benson had his cup of coffee, went back and
then immediately had four hits. By the way, Noelve Martes

(31:23):
played a really nice third base so far and a
guy that I don't think is worth giving up on
at all. What are they gonna get from outside?

Speaker 5 (31:30):
There?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
From another organization that takes their offense and makes it better,
widens the margin for error and decreases the possibility that
on a night at a night out basis they waste
a really good start because they don't hit. Unfortunately, that's
where your head goes when you watch Hunter Green, right, Like,

(31:53):
this dude's awesome. He was worth building around. Nicko Lodolo's
really good. He's worth building around. This one thing that
a lot of teams spent years trying to get think
about it man like. It is the quest of every
general manager, every front office executive to put together a

(32:13):
team that has a good starting staff. I'm not talking
about five All Stars, although that would be nice, but
a good, reliable starting staff that's happened here. I'm sure
there are teams that legitimately like consider themselves contenders. How
there are teams in this division that I believe consider

(32:34):
themselves contenders that would do anything to have the Red
starting pitching, would do anything to have like two of
the Red starters, much less five. If you've rooted for
this team for any part of the last let's just
say forty to forty five years, how many times have

(32:56):
they had a really good top to bottom starting staff?
Did in twenty twenty right the abbreviated season, Trevor Bauer
was a cy Young Award winner. They had a bunch
of other guys who are really good, including Luis Castillo
and Sonny Gray. Twenty twelve was obviously really good, but
there haven't been many like the number one reason why.

(33:17):
If you want to talk about how the Reds haven't
won a postseason series in thirty years, the number one
reason why is the starting pitching hasn't been good enough
over the last thirty years. Again, there have been exceptions,
and I just gave you some of the years. But
over the last thirty years they've had good starting pitchers,
good individual starting pitchers. It's been very rare they had

(33:38):
like a legitimate bona fide, really good starting staff. I
think they have one now. You can't waste that. You
just cannot waste that. And I think the fear if
you're a Reds fan is they will. That's not your
fault if you feel that way, that's their fault. It's

(33:59):
their track record's fault. So it's gonna be the question
of the spring. And again like if suddenly there's a
bunch of injuries, or suddenly a starting pitcher or two
falls off a cliff, and you know, I know how
this works. I've touted Hunter Green for so long that
the first time he is a bad start, it's going
to be thrown in my face, like I get it.
But I don't know, man, that group is good. There

(34:23):
have not been many instances where the Red sat Is
starting staff as good as this one. Maybe a little
bit short on experience, maybe a little bit short on
guys who have gotten through a full big league season
without having to go on the injured list. But over
the last thirty years, how many times could you say, boy,
the Red starting staff is quite good. Quite good. The

(34:43):
envy of many teams in Major League Baseball not that many.
So when you have this, dude, you've got to take advantage.
It's not unlike wasting great years from your quarterback. Like
there are parallels. I'm not the first to make it.
Organ isizational failure by the Bengals this past year. Joe
Burrow was awesome. And you may call me a homer,

(35:08):
many have. I think he is the best in the
NFL at playing quarterback. He's not the most accomplished quarterback
in the league, of course, I think he is the
best in the NFL at handling the mechanics of playing QB,
the best in the league. When you have a quarterback
who you could claim legitimately is the best in the NFL,
you got to make the playoffs with him. You can't

(35:29):
waste that. And you know, if last year proves to
be a one off or an outlier, and they go
to the postseason pretty much every single year and they
eventually win one, we'll look back at twenty twenty four
as an outlier. The fear is it becomes the norm. Right,
We've all talked about that with the Bengals. But you

(35:49):
gotta take advantage of this when you have it. The
same sort of principle applies to the red starting staff.
You cannot let Hunter Green pick for years for your team,
continue to get better, continue to ascend, put himself in
a position where maybe he wins a cy Young Put

(36:11):
him in a position where he could have a claim
to be the best pitcher in his league or maybe
the entire league, and not win with him. You can't.
You cannot. You know, the Reds have a lot of
guys who in the coming years, we're gonna start talking
about some of those dudes in the Reds Hall of Fame, Right,
Joey Vado, Bronson Royo has already gone in, Johnny Quato,

(36:33):
Jay Bruce, Brandon Phillips, like a lot of guys, a
lot of guys, and when they do like that's gonna
be like a whole wave of guys that you just
don't really connect to massive team success. And I don't
want there to be another wave of guys like that.
And so that's that's the objective. Here. That's the goal.

(36:54):
That's that's what the organization has to figure out how
to accomplish. Like Nick Krawl has helped check this one box.
Really good starting staff, Yes, and again I will be
accused of making the starting staff out to be better
than it is, and I certainly do share some reluctance

(37:14):
to like totally wrap our arms around it, because God,
can Lodolo stay healthy, Man can Abbot stay healthy? And
holy crap, hopefully Hunter Green stays healthy. But if they do,
and if the trend with the starting staff continues, you
have to win with that group. You have to, and
if you don't, shame on you. Shame on ownership, Shame

(37:35):
on the GM, the front office, the president of Baseball ups,
shame on the organization. The Cincinnati Bengals get great QB
play as they did last year and don't win with
it or frequently miss the postseason with it, shame on them, legitimately,
shame on them. Same thing applies here, man, And I'm

(37:56):
not trying to be negative because they did win three
in a row over the weekend. They have one five
out of six. You know, they've they've stayed They've stayed afloat,
which is a credit. It's a credit to the starting
staff and the bullpen and the belief pitching and some
of the clutch hitting they've gotten. It's awesome. But dude,
like this again, just look look in recent not even
recent Reds history, look at the last thirty years. Man,

(38:20):
you know this is an organization and not long ago
was starting Scott Feldman on opening day. Look at some
of the dudes that were taking the bump for the
Reds in the mid twenty tens, late twenty tents, we
were trying to convince ourselves of Matt Harvey that, dude,
you don't have to do that now. It's no retread,
no washed up guy looking for one more paycheck. Like

(38:42):
dudes either entering their prime or in their prime, reliable
starting pitchers, you cannot waste it. Seven away from four o'clock.
Speaking of Joe Burrow, remember how we said he runs
the team. Let's keep that in mind. We'll do that
in the four o'clock hour. Also, Mike Renner from CBS
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Right, thank you five minutes ef before. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty. This is our show. I love you're listening
to it, so thanks. Mike Renner, CBS Sports NFL Draft analyst.
By the way, he just posted a couple of hours
ago his latest three round mock, which I'm gonna get

(40:10):
to here in just a second. Mike is gonna join
us in just about thirty minutes. Brennaman and Jones on baseball,
and you're gonna hear a former MLB exec talk chlowingly
about Hunter Green. Also, do you notice what we all
say about Ellie Dela Cruz. I'm gonna get to a
point where we stop saying that. Coming up in a
bit as well. Glad you are with us today. Mike

(40:34):
Renners three round mock draft, I tweet out. I try
to tweet out before every hour for those on social media, Hey,
here's what's coming up. And so we do the show
preview video and then you know, right before the three
o'clock hour, here's what's coming up in the three o'clock hour,
right before the four o'clock hour, here's what's coming up
in the four o'clock hour, and you guessed it. Right
before the five o'clock hour, here's what's coming up in

(40:54):
the five o'clock hour. And so if you follow me
on that app, I tweeted out that Mike Reners is
gonna join and I included a link to that mock draft,
his three round mock and we're gonna spend some time
talking about it. I'm not gonna spoil it for you
in terms of you know who he has the Bengals taking.
Go click on it and read for yourself, or just
go to cbsports dot com. But what I will tell

(41:16):
you is this that among the first three picks he
has the Bengals taking zero offensive players. Now, that's fine, right,
Bengals have to nail it on defense in this draft.
They do like they gotta start drafting good defensive players.
You can nail it on defense and not take a

(41:40):
defensive guy in round one. But if your primary objective
is with this draft, let's significantly upgrade the defense, you
have a better chance of doing that if you address
that side of the ball with the seventeenth overall pick,
assuming that they actually stick and pick, so to speak.

(42:00):
But unfortunately, because of where the Bengals are, you cannot
help but do what I did when I saw this
a little bit earlier this afternoon. This is not Mike
Renner's fault, and it's not my fault either, but my
very first thought. And again, it's only three rounds, so
he doesn't do Saturday picks. There are plenty of draft

(42:20):
dorks out there who would do the whole seven rounds. Obviously,
the Bengals right now only have six picks, and I
use the word dorks endearingly. There is no bigger dork
than me. Unfortunately, instead of thinking about positional fit, whether

(42:42):
some of these players can make an instant impact their
individual value based on which round they were taking. My
first thought was he doesn't have them taking a guard unfortunately,
because of what the Bengals need, and it's if you

(43:04):
look at their team needs like and a lot of
people do this right, they'll do a team capsule or
they'll do a mock draft. When the team needs are listed,
it looks like a team that's in the middle of
a rebuild. It certainly looks like a team that's entering
free agency, not one that has kind of come out
of the first few waves of free agency. It doesn't

(43:27):
look like the team needs for a team that has bonified,
tidle aspirations. Because you could pretty much see every position
group on defense and offensively. You could see running back,
and you could see offensive line, you could see guard,
you could see swing tackle. They have a lot of
team needs for a team that I think we all
believe like they're over under this year is what ten

(43:49):
and a half, right, Like they're supposed to be good,
and yet there are a lot of acknowledged team needs. Fortunately,
when you have that many team needs, we're all gonna
have to fight this almost built in inclination to focus

(44:11):
on which positions they don't take early rather than the
ones they don't. I admit, man, I don't love looking
at the draft through this lens. First of all, it's
kind of unfair to the player. It also tends to,
I don't know, short change whatever impact taking that position

(44:32):
may have on the team. But I think this year
you can't help it. I if we're making it about positions.
If I had my way, this is just me. I
would take the best guard available, assuming you have a
first round grade on him. I certainly will admit though
that if they do that, I'm gonna go, Okay, are

(44:55):
we sure they're gonna be able to upgrade the defense now?
With only five picks to go? Like, you can't help
but do that. That's just that's how they've been built.
That's a reflection of what they did not do in
free agency. It's a reflection of what their approach has
been this offseason. It's certainly a reflection of last year's team.

(45:15):
They take a guard in round one, like I like
Tyler Booker from Alabama, right they let's say they take
him in round one. As much as I'll say, yeah,
they got the guy that I wanted, who plays the
position that I want in my next breath. I'll go
okay or better have gotten that one right, because they

(45:36):
just bypassed another opportunity to address this area of the
team that was historically bad. Now I will also do this.
Remember who runs the Bengals, right, Joe Burrow. Like the
way the dominoes have fallen this offseason, which, according to

(45:58):
Katie Blackburn herself, has impacted the approach and free agency
all started when Joe Burrow said, I want T Higgins back.
T Higgins was probably not going to be a Bengal
in twenty twenty five until Joe Burrow said, I want
T Higgins back called him in need. We've obviously revisited
this a whole bunch of times since Joe Burrow runs

(46:21):
the team. Dude has more power, more juice than any
Bengals player in the history of the franchise. I think
he's got more juice than any active Cincinnati athlete maybe ever.
The Cincinnati Bengals, a franchise that once upon a time

(46:41):
was like, you know, cutting players simply because they were
union reps. Now basically let Joe Burrow decide what they
were gonna do. That is remarkable, And I don't say
this as a criticism. I'm cool doing it Joe's way.
If you cornered Joe Burrow and the players come back
next week to start offseason workouts. I don't know when

(47:03):
or if Joe was going to talk. I'm sure he's
going to be wisely diplomatic about the draft process and
what has happened so far this offseason. But I would
be willing to bet that if you you cornered Joe
privately and said, all right, speak to me truthfully, positionally speaking.
I'm sure you haven't crunched a lot of draft tape,

(47:26):
but if you had your pick, what do you want
them to do? My guess, and it's just a guess
because we're never going to know. This is Joe would say,
I want better protection up front. I want to guard.
I want a guard who can maybe one day move

(47:46):
to tackle, but right now I want to guard. I
want to play behind an elite offensive line. I keep
coming back to this. When the Bengals took a Marius
Men's last year, again, there were a whole lot of
places they could have gone with that pick, a whole bunch.
We did the draft show at the Holy Grail, which
we're going to do again next Thursday, and the way
we do the Draft show is we divided into three sections.

(48:08):
We do six to eight, eight to ten, ten to midnight.
Tony Pike and I always do the middle third. We
do the eight to ten. Lance and Rocky do six
to eight, Austin and Chick do ten to midnight. With
the way the draft fell last year, Tony and I
did eight to ten. The Bengals then picked shortly after
we got done. And so I'm standing there at the

(48:30):
Holy Grail and the draft is on, our show is on.
There's a lot of people there. I'm technically off the clock.
I get a cold one. I'm standing there watching the draft.
Bengals take Marius Mims and instantly, instantly and understandably so

(48:50):
I don't want to say people booed the pick, but
there was this Hey, what about this position? What about
this group? What about this guy who plays this position?
And my take was, look, man a Marius Mims, and
I think the red flag was he hadn't played a ton,
hadn't started a ton of games at Georgia. My take was,
and I was far from the only person who felt

(49:12):
this way. I want to see Joe Burrow play one
day behind a great offensive line behind a great offensive line.
And the only way to do that is if you
start like drafting really well on the offensive line. Like
it's it's great that after the twenty twenty one season
they brought in a whole bunch of guys in free agency,

(49:34):
and they went and got Ted Carris and went and
got Alex Kappa and brought in Lee Collins and one
year later went and got to Orlando Brown. But if
you want to build any lead offensive line, you're going
to have to do that via the draft. The last
time the Bengals had any lead offensive line, it involved
a bunch of players they drafted. It involved actually exclusively

(49:58):
players they drafted a great offensive line. Now, they weren't
all great players. Andrew Whitworth was. Other than that, it
was Clinton Bowling and Kevin Zeidler and Andre Smith and
Russell bow Dye. There are two first round picks there.
There is an Andrew Whitworth. A second round pick there
was with Clinton Bowling was a fourth rounder, and Russell

(50:20):
Bodine was a fourth rounder as well. And they were
all good offensive linemen. Some are going to Canton, others
just merely good. Not a free agent in the mix,
it's maybe not the best guide to use for this year.
So I want to build an elite offensive line. The
way to do that is to start really addressing it

(50:41):
in the draft and nailing those picks. In fact, one
of the reasons why the Bengals offensive line fell apart
subsequent to twenty fifteen is the picks they took in
twenty fifteen. A boy he and Fisher ended up not
being very good. Fisher obviously had a health issue, a
boy he just apparently didn't like football. They've done a
terrible job at drafting offensive line. Marius Mims a little
bit of an exception. So we've watched Joe play behind

(51:04):
bad offensive lines, and we've watched Joe play behind okay
offensive lines, and you know that's fine. I want to
see what it's like when Joe plays behind a great one,
and I don't want to play with the fire of
the Bengals played with last year, with him getting hit
a bunch and often having to elude pressure that came
from up the middle. So you know, we could talk

(51:25):
about guard not being a premium position. I think the
most premium thing in this franchise is keeping number nine healthy,
upright and maximizing what he can do, and if that
comes at the expense of a defensive player in round one,
so be it. Now the player has to work out
and you can't reach. You don't take a guard just

(51:45):
for the sake of taking a guard, like, we get that, right,
you don't. Hey, the next guard we have a third
round grade on, but we need was to take him
in round one, Like that's that's not how the draft works.
But if we're just making this about positions, that's what
I want. Willing to bet that would be Joe's choice too.
And so unfortunately, and again Mike's gonna join us in

(52:06):
about twenty minutes. He's got a the Bengals taking the
first three rounds, three defensive players that we have talked
about a ton and you can make a case for
every single one of them, and you certainly can make
a case for all three defensive positions he has them taking.
And again, if you want to read it, go get it.
I'm not gonna spoil the guys content, but the moment

(52:32):
you take a guard, you're gonna go okay, especially like
at edge or for years they've been trying to make
the pass rush better via the draft. Haven't. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I look at this and unfortunately, the first thing I
think is where's the guard? And if the Bengals mirrored this,
We'll talk about this with Mike. If the Bengals mirrored
this approach, and the first thing Joe Burrow would say
is where's the guard? Eighteen after four, you're gonna hear

(53:07):
a former MLB executive talk Hunter Green in Paul Skein's terms. Plus,
my favorite college football player is now a free agent. No,
I don't want him coming to UC, but I do
have to spend some time on him because well, he
had a bad weekend. Brendanman and Jones coming up in
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up a road win on Saturday night. We are looking
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against Chicago. Reds are off no game today, Mariners here tomorrow,
first of three against Seattle to wind down the six
game homestand Hunter Green was the story yesterday. Ellie Dela
Cruz was the story on Saturday night. We're going to

(54:49):
get to him in just a second. First, this has
kind of gone viral here from the MLB Network. Is
former Big League executive Dan O doud on Hunter Green.

Speaker 10 (54:59):
I agree is a guy I am the most excited
about because I used to sit there and watch hundred.
Green always had this arm, this stuff. He didn't have
this conviction, right He didn't know when he walked to
the mound how he was going to get you out.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Now you see it.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
The light bulb's gone on DK. It's you can see
where he ranks now since the beginning of last year.
Number one er in the sport. But the way he
fills up the strike zone and everything in his repertoire
tells you how convicted he is and how good he.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Can do it.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yeah, I mean, what's on top shelf talent here and
these guys.

Speaker 11 (55:38):
I had Michael King in my top ten right now
my wildcard pick, I'm at number five because I thought
that much of him down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
He's delivering this now, who stands out to you?

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Dan?

Speaker 11 (55:45):
I just want to follow up a little bit of
Hunter Green. I do think Jason when he started talking
about a Hunter in the same way we talk about
Paul Skins, I do believe he's made that jump at
that same age to be that next dominant starter in
the National League for a year to come. So I
just want to follow up on that. Real quickly became
from me. Torkelsen is a fascinating story because you know

(56:06):
how I love the draft and I love development, and
I think he and his teammate Casey Mais also won one.
We put so many expectations on players at such an
early age of what they should be and sometimes the
development processes takes a little bit longer and each players
unique to their own development process. He absolutely has made
some swing changes. You referenced it failure is the greatest

(56:29):
teacher in our game, and he's failed.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
The reality is he came.

Speaker 11 (56:32):
To spring training with no job because they sligned torres
Keith moved to first base, that Carpenter's air dh they
had no place to play them. And now he's opened
the door. I believe this is legitimate. And then Perdomo
to me is legitimate because he controls the strike.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
So it's fantastic, all right. So there you go. There's
more on Spencer Torklesen than you were looking for. But
there's dan O doubt along with the first voice you
heard Jason Stark and Brian Kenny on the MLB Network.
You know, one of the things with Hunter Green is
you know you forget. So he's drafted in twenty seventeen
and if you remember, barely pitched. He pitched in three

(57:09):
games and billings. So it goes through his first full
big league season or first full supposed to go through
his first full professional season in twenty eighteen, then doesn't
pitch at all in twenty nineteen because of Tommy John.
Twenty twenty is the COVID year, so he doesn't pitch
in any competitive environment, and you just kind of wonder, like,
where would things be just in terms of his development

(57:31):
and progression. And he had the luxury of being able
to pitch those two years, and so it's taken a while,
and then the dude took his lumps, took some beatings
in twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty three, started to
really put it together last year and this year's has
been terrific. And look, there is room for more than one.
Really really good young starting pitcher. Paul Skeins, who pitches

(57:52):
tonight for the Pirates against the Washington Nationals, is awesome.
There's a selfish part of me that was hoping that
yesterday we would get Hunter Green versus Paul Skins. That
would have been must watch. There's room for more than one.
I think the fun thing about baseball right now is
there's a lot of really good, young, fun talented players.

(58:13):
But yeah, I completely agree, and by the way the
two odds on favorites to be the National League Cy
Young Award winner Paul Skins and Hunter Green. Ellie Delacruz
hit a home run the other night of Grand Slam
on his Bibblehead night the Grand Slam accounted for all
four runs the red score, and that went over the Pirates.
Hunter Green is further along than Ellie Dela Cruz is.

(58:33):
That's no knock on Ellie. It's a statement about Hunter Green.
I just want this from and for Ellie Dela Cruz.
I want to get to a point where we no
longer start the Elle conversation with how much we love
watching him. I'd like for the conversation to start with

(58:57):
how consistently good of a player he is. We're not
there yet, it doesn't mean we won't get there. I
love watching him like I love watching Ellie Dela Cruz.
But you hate to say finished product. I don't know
that anybody's ever really completely totally a finished product. Hunter
Green is closer to one than Ellie Dela Cruze's. And

(59:18):
by the way, you can you can declare for one
without diminishing the other, which is something my dad used
to say. You can talk about Hunter Green and not
have to diminish any one of his teammates. But Hunter
Green is I think a lot more there than Ellie
Dela Cruz Is. Doesn't mean Ellie won't get there. He

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is still must watch. He still has a flair for
the dramatic. He still has limitless potential. I want to
get to a point where we talk about Ellie in
some of the same terms we talk about Hunter, Brendavan
and Jones coming up in twenty minutes or so. Mike
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Mike Renner is a longtime favorite of this show. Even
though he doesn't live here anymore, we still love talking
with him this time of year. Writes about the draft,
covers the draft for cbssports dot Com. He has a

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his latest three round mock draft is up. I tweeted
a link to that if you want to go get it.
Also one of the hosts of the Pushing the Pile podcast,
and I'm sure he's very busy this time of the year,
so still kind enough to give us a few minutes. Mike,
It's good to have you. What's up.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
I always got to talk to you, mo, And I'm
actually moving back to Cincy at the end of the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
So really wow. All right, well, we look forward to
look forward to seeing you man. I you know, people
who do draft work hate when people like me do this,
but I'm gonna do it anyway. So you do a
three round mock draft, and I'm not going to give
away the content, so folks want to read who you
have the Bengals taking in the first three rounds, they
should go do that at CBS sports dot Com. Unfortunately,

(01:01:44):
my first inclination when I read it though, was he
doesn't have them taking a guard. Why not?

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
I just have a higher grade on I have them
going Mike hil Williams the Georgia defensive end, and to me,
he just feels like a Bengals type of defensive end.
That's kind of like the body type they've covered it.
The cop I half him is literally Carlos Dunlap, so
that's part of the reason why. And also like you
can find guards later. Now, I don't have them addressing
guard any later, but I do think that traditionally you can.

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But if they do draft Tyler Booker, who is like
the one guard I would take at pick seventeen, I'm
not gonna be upset about it. Like that he is
a plug and play day one starter at guard, which
is probably when they're glaring. Their most glaring need at
this moment in time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
The glaring need above and beyond guard is defensive players,
like you could justify I think taking a player at
any position where on that side of the ball can
they afford least to wait.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
I think it's Edge. Why I have them going Michael
Williams just because just look historically at the impact players,
it's rare to find guys outside of the first round
who would develop into high end guys. Now they do
have one and Trey Henderson right, but it's it is
a position where the body types, the athletics, skill sets,

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the NFL identifies them well. It doesn't mean every first
round or hits, but it's like you're Miles Garrett, you
or TJ Watts, you know your Micah Parsons is of
the world. They just know what they look like. The big, strong,
fast guys go early. So I think edge is the one.
Whereas defensive tackle this year is super deep at the
day two cornerback you can find those shoot into day three.

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So there are other positions in this draft that you
can find later, but I'm not sure Edge. You're gonna
want to wait.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Top to bottom, What do you make of this year's
class at safety?

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
I think the top end guys are great, and I'll
spoil my mom. I'm going Kevin Winston Junior, the Penn
State safety in the second round. I think him Malachi Starks,
nick O Man, and Warri are like starting could be
top ten safeties in the NFL. Sorts of talent. Like
those guys are very good. It's a very good top
end of the class. Now there's a little bit of

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a second group, but there may only be you know,
say say two of the guys go in the first round.
There may only be like four or five safeties that
go date two. It's just not that deep. So if
you want one, I'm not sure you can wait until
the third to find a starter for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Can I ask the same question about linebacker.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
Yeah, linebacker is just not a good class. I think
it's one of the weaker positions in this draft class.
You have Gihid Campbell, who's going to go in the
first you have Carson Sweeshinger from UCLA, who's probably your
second guy off the board, probably somewhere in the top fifty.
After that, it really is slim pickens. There's not a
lot of other guys I'm really going to bat for

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in this linebacker class as top hundred picks. Probably only
two or three more that I would even consider. So
it is just a weak class of linebackers this year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Mike Renners, CBS Sports, NFL Draft Analyst, cornerback is interesting
to me because I feel like they're just going to
run it back with a whole lot of guys They
have drafted early in recent years. They haven't really addressed
the position in free agency this off season. They obviously
have a new defensive coordinator and Al Golden, and it
kind of feels like they're just gonna, you know, see

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if he can get more out of a group that
last year top to bottom was was pretty underwhelming. If
that's their approach, what's your critique.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
I'm not upset about it because they drafted a lot
of these guys very highly right, and I thought dak
Sell actually look good at corner before obviously tearing at
ACL Cam Britt has Taylor Britt has looked good at
corner over time. So like there comes a time where
whether it's a new defensive coordinator or just these guys
got to step it up, right, Like you, you've drafted

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too many guys too early to just keep throwing darths
and they just got to developed. So I would take
one day three, you know, I'm not leaving this draft
without a corner altogether. Kind of how they drafted Josh
Newton a year ago. But I don't think it's a
position that if you're out, you know day two's over
and they haven't taken it that I'm too worried about
a pumping veganst.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Where is the cutoff line between being able to get
a guard who could play year one in somebody who's
a little bit more of a long term developmental guy.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
That's a great question. I think it's it really is.
I think in through the middle of day two through
I think even where I pick eighty two, I think
you could probably find a starting guard. Now. It's going
to be a tackle. I think that's the biggest thing
in this classes. There's so many tackles that people are
going to want to kick any guard one because the
guards who were guards on the Cleejia level last year

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quite frankly stunk like there's only one guy in my
top hundred who was a guard at the collegia level
or two guys in my top hundred who a guard
the Coclesion level last year. So but there are a
lot of interesting tackle to guard converts. So I do
think through willing to go that route, I think you
could still find one with that pick in the third.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Round, I would be I would be more than okay
of this class. And by the way, for the Bengals,
they only have six picks, right, so I want to
guard and I won five defensive players. There is a
chorus of people who would say, find a running back
somewhere in this class and added to a room that
has Chase Brown and samajp Ryan. There's certainly some validity
to that. I hate that it would come at the

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expense of a defensive player, but if that's a direction
they want to go in, give me a running back
that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
Yeah, I mean, and you could get a running back
in the fourth too. Like, it's that good of a
class that there's just not enough teams who will draft them. So,
I mean, you saw Bucky Irving last year in the
fourth not to say that there's definitely Bucky Irving, but like,
I think there's a bunch of guys, So a guy
could be outside the top hundred who I think is
still gonna be good. There's a couple of names that
I like. One is camp Scattabo Bhoo from Arizona State.

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If you're looking for like Chase Brown, you're kind of spaceback,
good athlete scatby with much more of his short yardage
goal line sort of back and palm between the tackles.
And then I also like Jordan James a lot as
a guy who can be in a similar mold. The
Oregon running back probably gonna not going to come up
the board until day three because he's not too physically
imposing in a class full of like some freaks at

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the running back position. But I think he's just a
very solid down to down runner, and he doesn't fumble.
I think that's the one thing you worry about. Chase
brown Is said, yeah, well he hasn't had fumble issues yet,
but he had big time fumble issues in college. So
if you want a guy who's a little bit more reliable,
I don't think Georg James actually fumbled once in his career,
So that's a guy that you would probably target.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
You're a Notre Dame guy. Did you like Al golden.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
I loved Al Golden Man. Now I didn't love him
going cover zero on the last play that National Championship game.
Jeremiah Smith out there, but you're living to die by it,
So I'm interested to see how he translates the NFL
game because you know, they played so much man coverage
at Notre Dame that just was their bread and butter.
And quite frankly, there's not you can count on maybe

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one hand, if not even a full one hand, how
many secondaries can actually just go line up and play
man covers consistently in the NFL because receivers are too good,
So you got to have, you know, you kind of
got to have a second act. You got to have
something else in your bag. If you're a DC nowadays,
that's not just we have better guys than you, and
especially with this angle secondary, they definitely don't have better
guys than who they'll be lining up against consistently. So

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I do think though he got the most out of guys,
he developed really well and so those are a couple
of nice feathers in his cap to have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
All right, when you move back, let us know for
sure we'll do moll all right, look forward to it. Mike,
you're the best man. I do appreciate the time.

Speaker 5 (01:09:18):
Thank you so much, of course, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Have a good one.

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The Reds do not play. I I'm in a like
a room here. It's like like a fifteen by fifteen
by fifteen room. I guess it's only two fifteens. It's
a fifteen by fifteen room. And I don't have a
real win. But you know radio studios, we have like
a porthole, and if I look out the porthole at

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the right angle, I can look through the window and
then across the hallway to a real window. And it
looks like it's pitch black outside. It looks like it's
about nine to thirty at night outside, So the weather
is not great. So I guess it's a good thing.
The Reds aren't supposed to play tonight, but it's gonna
be cold tomorrow. I guess. Reds and Mariners first of

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three at GABP Nicolodolo and Luis Castillo on the Hill
six forty Tomorrow night on seven hundred WLW. The Reds
did have to put Sam Mall on the injured list
with a shoulder impingement, clears the way for Alexis Diaz
to come back. Tomorrow. The Bengals will host forty five

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invited draft eligible players with local ties their annual Local
Players workout. At five thirty five, I will read off
forty five players. I will sound like, is it usually
the principal who does commencement, like reads all the names?
Remember who's the Reds GM Dan Dan O'Brien at his

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introductory press conference. This is like two thousand and three
or four, got the gig and then spent I mean
literally like eight minutes just reading the names of people
that he wanted to thank. That's what I'm gonna sound
like at five thirty five reading all these names. FC
Cincinnati's Gerardo Daddo of Allezuela named to the MLS Team

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of the Match Day from match day number eight. He
scored a goal, the only goal in FC Cincinnati's one
nil victory on the road against DC on Saturday night.
Congratulations to him, uh five point three seven four nine
fifteen thirty is our phone number. We'll have uh I
just got an email about the names of local players.

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We'll have time to take phone calls. Coming up in
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The Ohio State buck Guys. Now, the Knicks aren't gonna
win all. The Ohio State buck Guys won it all
in college football and as a reward, Ohio State players
and staff are they're attending the White House today, which
whi is a traditional perk of winning a national title,
winning a world title in professional sports. And I don't
care about the political part of that discussion, where it

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feels like if you go, people get mad, and if
you don't go, people get mad. Ohio State chose to go,
which is fine. And I don't know if the President
was there, but the Vice president was, as you might
imagine because jd Vance attended Ohio State. And so I'm
watching this video there is Donald Trump is there and

(01:13:30):
jd Vance is there, and I guess when he went
to go pick up the trophy, it like broken half,
like the national Championship trophy. It's got like this like
black bass, and then you know, this big long gold thing.
And when he went to pick it up, it looked
like he was being assisted by two Ohio State players

(01:13:51):
that the trophy like broken half, and then the Vice
president dropped the base that the gold piece sits on.
How much of a piece of junk is the college
Football Playoff Championship Trophy If you can't pick it up
without a breaking in half, like, it doesn't look like
anybody here did anything wrong. And again I am not

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bringing this up to go down the road of politics.
You know, we don't do that on this show, but
I think it's fair to wonder how much of a
piece of crap is the championship trophy? If you can't
pick it up without a breaking are they gonna have
to get some gorilla glue and glue the thing back
on any of the videos out there on internet if

(01:14:35):
you want to go watch it. Hunter Green it was
awesome yesterday, which means I'm gonna talk about him a lot.
But first, it's Brennanman and Jones on Baseball for.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
We are just going to run that into the ground.
That's what we're gonna do. What's up? Four minutes after five,
ESPN fifteen thirty. It's a fun day and it is
like disgusting outside, at least here in Keno. I've seen
people on social media tweet out pictures of hail balls
landing at their house. Hopefully you're safe. I know trafficks

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in issue right now. But here's the good news. It's
still the michelob ultra of five o'clock happy hour. And
so when you get home, or maybe on your way home,
pick up a six pack enjoy. And I was called
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you like to sit outside undercover, obviously during a storm

(01:15:33):
and watch the rain, listen to the rain, and have
a cold. One might do that tonight we will see
michelob Ultra Superior taste, superior, light beer, superior. I tell
you who was superior yesterday, That Hunter Green guy who
continues to just be awesome. I know, I'm the knowing
the Hunter Green guy get I am waiting for his

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first bad start when it's thrown in my face. But
he has had a bad starting quite a while. In fact,
the last time Hunter Green pitched in the baseball game
and pitch poorly was the All Star Game last year, which,
if you remember, you know the sort of people who
just lie in the weeds waiting for stuff to get

(01:16:17):
mad about. They pretended to be mad about Hunter Green
pitching poorly in the All Star Game last year. Were
the kind of people who get Twitter handles that tell
you nothing about them. They were waiting for Hunter Green
to pitch poorly last year, so in the All Star Game,
so they could pretend to be mad about that. Normal
people just looked at that and said, what's won inning

(01:16:37):
in an exhibition game against really good hitters. Hunter Green
continued to be tremendous yesterday him against the Pittsburgh Pirates
seems almost unfair. That is a bad, bad offensive team.
Now we know the Reds offensively aren't much better. Although
listening to Marty and Tracy, which has been about baseball

(01:16:57):
more often than not this year, talked about getting Austin
Hayes back and things trending in the right direction from
a health perspective, which we're gonna get to here in
just a second. There's the Hunter Green part of this,
which he continues, he continues to just look the part
of a staff ace. It's the best way that I
could put it. Over the last forty years or so,

(01:17:20):
the Reds have not had that many bonafide staff aces.
They've had them, they haven't had that many. They haven't
had that many pictures who could realistically make a claim
to be the best. Let's just say in the National League.
Maybe Hunter Green's not there yet. He's trending toward getting there.

(01:17:44):
Over his last thirteen starts. The numbers are astounding, and
I'm not gonna dive too into the weeds. As much
as I am a fan of analytics, you could bore
your audience to death more than I already do reading
a bunch of you know advance. I'll just tell you this,
his last thirteen stars. Hunter Green's era is one that's good.

(01:18:07):
One one opposing batters hitting just one twenty nine in
that stretch of time, basically ninety innings. He has struck
out ninety, He has walked twenty one. He has given
up four homers. He has been awesome Hunter Green so
far this year, acknowledging that it's very, very very early
in the season. Leads a league in war, leads a

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league in innings pitched, which is not insignificant, has the
best walks and hits per innings pitch ratio in the sport,
has the best hits per nine innings ratio in the sport.
Staff Ace staff Ace Tomorrow pitching for the Reds. Nick Lidolo,

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who all Nicklodolo has done so far this year in
what is a very big year for him. His post
an era that's better than Hunter Green's again it's early,
and Hunter's made one more start. Hunter Green has a
zero point nine to eight er. That's not even the

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best on his own team. Think of the last forty years,
how many times have they had a legitimate, in their prime,
bonified top end, one two punch. Nicklodolo leads the National
League in fewest walks per nine innings. He has maybe

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not been quite as unhittable as Hunter Green, He's still
been really damn good. He pitches tomorrow, by the way.
The thing I like most about those two guys, and
I wish we would see this a little bit more
from Brady Singer, those two pitchers, and again, Hunter's made
one more start to Nicklodolo has have pitched in forty
six and a third innings. Between Nicklodolo and Hunter Green,

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they've given up two home runs. Like those guys, keep
the ball in the ballpark. That's really important and hard
to do when you're pitching a gabp More importantly, Reds
have one five out of six. More importantly, the Reds
took care of business against a bad team. More importantly,
the Reds have bounced back from the three and seven start.

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You know, we do this all the time, right, boy,
if they could just get to this moment, if they
could just get to this moment and get to five hundred. Well,
eight days ago they lost in Milwaukee to sink to
three and seven. They've played well enough over the last week,
and you could argue they should be nine and seven
if you remember how that game last Wednesday went down.

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They have I don't want to say made up for it,
but they have figured out a way to not allow
the first three excuse me, first three weeks of the
season to sink the next five and a half months.
Like at three and seven, if you know anything at
this franchise and its recent history, at three and seven,

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they're going to San Francisco, a good team that at
that point had lost just one game. Three and seven
is not a hole that's impossible to dig out of.
But in recent years, we've watched the Reds get off
to a three and twenty two start, We've seen the
Reds get off to a one and nine start, We've
seen the Reds get off to a three and eighteen start.

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And so eight days ago, after the Reds played the Brewers,
I think a lot of us were thinking, like, all right,
this probably will get better. Yes, they'll get healthier. Yes,
they'll have some guys who start to hit more. Yes,
the starting staff is still pretty good. But by the
time those things happen, how big is the hole going

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to be? They've at least gotten out of the hole.
Does that mean they're set to take off and go
win ninety games? Not necessarily. Could this still go a
ride at any point? Yeah, but they've at least dug
themselves out of that hole. And now you could start
to talk about two things. One they should in the
coming days get healthier, Lexis Diaz, Austin Hayes, Tyler Stevenson's

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going to catch some bullpens tomorrow. Maybe Matt McLain comes back,
Like we we could be getting close. Knock on wood
to Terry Francona being able to put a team on
the field that is more representative of what we thought
the Reds would have back early in spring training. And
they will do that, barring something unfortunate and maybe impossible

(01:22:37):
to see coming. They will do that without having to
dig out of an insurmountable hole. And that is a
large credit to how they have played, and I guess,
more specifically how they have pitched. Excuse me over the
last week or so. My apologies for clearing my throat
twice within fifteen seconds. That is a credit to this
team's starting staff more than any other. Look Ellie deler career,

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who's had us all buzzing on Saturday Night, hits a
grand Slam, only four runs, they win the game. It's
his bobblehead night. Everybody's excited, everybody's slobbering over Ellie Dela Cruz.
I certainly can do my fair share of slobbering over
Ellie Dela Cruz. And they wasn't the only four runs.
They scored five on Saturday. But to get the point,

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the story of the season, the story of the last
week has been the starting pitching. This team's offensive deficiencies
are well spoken for, well established, talked about them, complained
about them. They're probably really not going anywhere. They are

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one of the worst hitting teams in baseball. That'll get better.
I think it will get better. But I think we
all recognize that this team's offensive ceiling is pretty low.
So I guess there's two ways of looking at It's Well,
there's this way, which is they got to get offensive help.
They've got to do it can't wait till July thirty four.
You can't waste what the Reds have, which is really

(01:24:02):
good starting pitching. And all of that is true, there's
also looking at it through this lens, there have not
been many times in recent Red's history where they had
a starting staff that made you feel like, every single
night going into the game, they've got a chance because
of the starting pitching. You know, the twenty twenty staff,

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which was Tyler Malley and Luis Castillo and Sonny Gray
and Trevor Bauer. Very good starting staff, right Wade Miley
barely pitch for that team, if my memory is correct,
but they had a starting pitcher in that abbreviated season
where you felt like every single day they've got a
chance to win because of the starting pitcher. Twenty twelve.

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The thing that I love most about that twenty twelve season,
which I love that team, hated the way their season ended.
Love that team. They survived seven weeks without Joey Evano
in large part because they had really good starting pitching.
Johnny Cquaita was awesome that year, and as much as
nobody wants to say it, Matt Lato's was really good
that year. And everybody stayed healthy. Nobody missed a start

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every single day. I remember saying this on this show
thirteen years ago. Like, whoever, I say the starting pitcher is,
you feel like tonight they give him a chance. I
think Martinez has to pitch better for this team this year.
Andrew Abbott's only made one start. But I feel like,
on a nightly basis, if you're a Reds fan, you

(01:25:28):
should feel pretty good about that night's game, at least
because of the starting pitcher. But you may feel like
overall their season long potential is limited because of the offense.
So what gives first five point three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. I made it sound like I was being

(01:25:49):
critical of Elie Dela Cruz before Elie Dela Cruz is
awesome to watch, Like I if the Reds were zero and sixteen,
they'd still be worth watching. Because Ellie Dela Cruz on
a nightly baby says can do some really cool stuff.
I think what we all want. I had this conversation
with somebody on Saturday night leaving the ballpark. Ellie hits
the Grand Slam and it says bobblehead night. And he

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had a couple of other opportunities to do big things,
maybe from the other side of the plate, and you know,
he can just do some awesome things on a baseball field.
What you are hoping for is there to just be
more of them and more consistency. He still strikes out
a lot. His numbers this year aren't great. It's very early.
Like we all understand the limitless potential with Hunter Green,

(01:26:32):
it's no longer potential, it's what he does. With Ellie
de la Cruz, it's what he does that is still
often outweighed by potential. When when when that gets reversed,
When that flips, we could be talking about a guy
who can win MVPs. I was asked last week the
question who's closer Hunter to Asa Young or Ellie to

(01:26:52):
an MVP, And the answer pretty obviously for me was
Hunter Green. He's further along, Like he's established, he's a
staff ace. You got to check the box of stay
healthy through a season, and he's not going to be
immune to bad starts. And I think that award is
last time tied to team success than n L MVP.
Ellie is a very good player and insane talents. We're

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still waiting, right, We're still waiting for the complete package.
We're still waiting for some of the rough parts of
his game to be ironed out. We could have said
that three weeks ago. It's only been sixteen games this
year with Hunter Like you just watched the two Like
that guy looks the part, completely looks the part. So

(01:27:39):
you know, if Ellie gets caught up to Hunter Green,
they'll have two of the biggest stars in the sport.
We'll see. But the good news is man last Monday,
we were fearing where this could go. At three and seven,
we were wondering, like, could this get could this get bad?
Could this get worse before it gets better. They're obviously
not out of the woods, but they do have in

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front of them some series against teams that quite frankly,
are not great. The Rockies are awful. The Marlins have
played well, probably still awful. The Orioles haven't played well yet.
Seattle is okay. Later on, they've got a series against
the Washington Nationals. They've got four with the Cardinals. Like

(01:28:25):
starting pitching gives them a chance against everybody, and they've
at least dug themselves out of that hole again. Like
last Sunday night, I'm going Holy crap, Not another one
of these years, Not another one of these years where
the season is over before we flip the calendar to
May and at three and seven, like that was the thing,
Like three and seven you could dig out of? Can
you dig out of? Six? And fourteen? Can you dig

(01:28:46):
out of? You know, such a huge hole that starts
with a three and seven start. That means that the
season is effectively over before you get healthy, before a
guys start hitting, and there's less of a chance of
that happening because of how they played a last week
or so. We'll see. The starting pitching is the main
reason why eighteen after five o'clock. Remember, on this show

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new favorite college football player because he held out of practice,
tried to strong arm Tennessee in the pan of more money,
and then a day later Tennessee got rid of him.
So some folks have asked me to comment on this,

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We'll be broadcasting from three to six because that's when
our show is on. You're welcome. Let's let's talk to
other people who probably have far more interesting things to
say than I do. Brian, You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Hi, Brian, Hello,
how you doing. I'm wonderful yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Pretty good?

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
Pretty good.

Speaker 7 (01:31:22):
I wanted to talk about the Cincinnati Reds.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Oh, you came to the right place, Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:31:28):
Well, I was just saying that I feel optimistic about him.
I just want to say that I think that they're
starting pitching is great. I'm a little concerned about their
relief in their clothing pitching, and but I have you know,
maybe I'm a little bit too optimistic about them, But
I mean I like their chances. I like their chance
that baking, like you said, get some help with with

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their offense.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Yeah, And look, a lot of the help is gonna
have to come from within, right Like they're gonna have
to get what they were hoping to get from Austin
Hayes as soon as he gets here. They're gonna have
to to get Matt McClain back and then hopefully keep
him healthy, which they haven't been able to do. When
Tyler Stevenson comes back, which feels like something that we're
getting closer toward, he's going to have to be as
good as he was last year, if not better. But

(01:32:13):
we are also going to spend the next two and
a half months wondering, or the next three and a
half months, what can they get at the deadline, what
would it cost, what are they willing to give up?
And maybe can they fill multiple needs at the deadline
and between now and then. Does someone else emerge from
within that changes that conversation. Does Jamer Candelario start to

(01:32:35):
hit more? Does Noelve Marte now being given an opportunity
back at the big league level? Can can he show
that he should stick? Does the offense come from somewhere else?
Does Spencer Steer's other arm stop acting up and he
can be productive? They have to hit more than they have.
The good news is if they do the starting pitching

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they have, and I think to a large degree, the
bullpen they have will give them a chance.

Speaker 7 (01:33:01):
Okay, all right, thank you, Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Thank you. I like that. Nice and short and succinct.
It's gonna be the story of the next three and
a half months, right, Am I doing that right? Three
and a half months? Yes, July thirty first is three
to what's away. By the way, you don't have them.
You don't have to wait till July thirty first to
make a trade. What are they going to get at

(01:33:24):
the deadline? What can they add? And will it be enough?
But also like, there are players on this team who
should be better offensively than they have been so far
this year, And there are players on this team, like

(01:33:45):
I'm really intrigued. And on Saturday night he made a
couple of really nice plays at third base. I'm really
interested in if they gave Noelve Martea shot to play
third base on a regular basis, what would that look like?
It may be a disaster. I don't know that we
are too far removed from how he performed in twenty

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twenty three to give up on him.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
The starting pitching is in place like it's a it's
a it's a really it's a frustrating team from that perspective,
because it feels like it feels like they should have
accounted for the fact that the starting pitching had a
chance to be really good. And I know that kind
of sounds like an overreaction to You know, everybody started
three games except for Abbott, who pitched once through on Saturday,

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and Hunter Green has now made forest for four starts.
But we went into the season thinking the team starting
pitching had a chance to be a strength because it
was last year. Like that's the thing, man, up until
the point where everybody started to get hurt in late August.
The starting pitching last year was being wasted. It was
really good. It was better than the league average. This

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year's staff is even better. So can they take advantage?
Take advantage? Twenty eight minutes after five o'clock, more of
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Allnzuelan name to the MLS Team of the Match day
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Pat Noonan. By the way, on the show tomorrow four
h five, twenty five away from six o'clock. On Friday,

(01:38:23):
we were talking about this dude, Nico iam Oliva, who
Tennessee's quarterback, didn't show up the practice on Friday because
he was looking for more money. And I saw a
clip today from Joel kat who was on Ky Adams Show,
who said, well, it was about the money, but it
was also about he wanted Tennessee to change their offense
because they wanted something. He wanted something he in his

(01:38:45):
camp wanted something that was going to maybe better prepare
him for the pros, and so he held out. And
then on Saturday we found out that Tennessee basically said
deuces see you. And so I said on Friday, this
is my new favorite college football player, because you know,
the guy's shaking things up a little bit, which I'm
a fan of. But also here is a guy who
was attempting to use leverage that he believes he has,

(01:39:09):
and I have no problem with that. I have zero.
I think in life, we all should do that. Now,
when you do that, understand there could be consequences. And
so Tennessee moved on, and I don't fault them for
that either. Like, I think what probably happened here is
that the young man likely got some really bad advice.

(01:39:30):
And that's, like, you know, that's part of it here
in the NFL, in the NBA, in Major League Baseball,
to a degree, we see players sometimes get bad advice
from their agents. Who knows who is advising this guy.
And again, like I believe, everybody who you know wants
a better set of circumstances should find the leverage they

(01:39:51):
have and try to use it. He apparently didn't have
as much leverage as he thought. And I think here
kind of got some bad advice, which you would like
to think will give some of these people, some of
these college athletes pause when it comes to the advice
they're getting from outsiders. And I don't have an issue
with Tennessee saying, all right, cool, that's it, Seya, you

(01:40:13):
quit honest, we're moving on. What you would hope happens
here is that this particular instance will cause somebody in
an important capacity to go You know what, this sport
does need rules, Like on this show, I talk all
the time. I like this era of college athletics that

(01:40:33):
we're in. I have no issue with their being free
agency in college sports. It drives interest. It's fun to
talk about college basketball roster construction, specifically here with the
local schools. And I like the fact that a good
coach can get a program turned around quickly via the
portal and via nil. And I like the fact that

(01:40:55):
the players are getting paid. I want everybody to get paid.
I'm as big of a capitalist as you'll meet. But
you do have to have rules. How you achieve these
rules without collective bargaining, I don't know. But what you
would like in an ideal world, which obviously we do
not live in, is if somebody looked at this situation
and said, all right, you know, Tennessee has just moved

(01:41:16):
on from a quarterback who helped them get to the
college football Playoff. This dude's reputation is now sort of
smeared because what he did to Tennessee I'm sure he's
going to find another spot to play college football, and
hopefully he has a good experience. But you kind of
look at something like this and go all right, While
neither side might have been wrong here, we do not

(01:41:36):
want many circumstances like this. We're in the middle of spring,
a player holds out and the school basically then says,
screw you, see it. I'm not a big believer in
a lot of this stuff being unhealthy for college football.
I read a story, I think it was out of
Birmingham today about how this is the end of college

(01:41:57):
football as we know it and for the most part good. Also,
college football as we knew it died a long time ago.
If it didn't, we wouldn't have UCLA and Rutgers in
the same conference. But there need to be rules. Exactly
how they get enacted. I have no idea, but there

(01:42:19):
need to be rules. So yeah, it my take on it.
You know, a lot of folks over the weekend hit
me up on Twitter, what about your boy? What about
your new favorite college football player? He did something he
thought was going to work to his advantage, and Tennessee
broke no rules by telling him, see you, And that
can happen to any employee, That can happen to anybody.
You know, you might try a flex with your boss

(01:42:41):
and it may work, but you understand when you make
that flex there could be a downside. So this feels
like maybe it wasn't nearly that well thought out, and
it certainly feels like he was maybe not given the
kind of guidance that someone like him should get from adults.
And I think that's the part of this whole thing
that we have to talk about a little bit more,

(01:43:02):
because you have a lot of you know, eighteen nineteen
twenty year old kids making big, big decisions, life altering
decisions in many cases, and you know, they're allowed to
have agents, and they're allowed to have more external influences
than ever before, and you just you wonder how many
people advising these kids really have their best interests at heart,

(01:43:23):
how many of them are giving them bad advice? How
many of them are qualified to give good advice? So
we'll see how many more cases like this we have
a general rule like I have no issue Trey Hendrickson
might hold out this summer as a Bengals fan. Do
I want it to happen? Of course not. You want
nothing that rocks the boat. But if he thinks I'm
going to use my availability at camp number one to

(01:43:46):
protect myself and my future is not guaranteed. Number two
to try to strong arm the Bengals into something, well, okay, Now,
by the way, he would get fined if he did that,
because he's under contract. I don't have a problem with
people using leverage, but when you use it, understand, understand
there could be consequences, and for this guy, there was consequences,

(01:44:08):
consequences in all likelihood from getting bad advice. Uh, nineteen
away from six o'clock. Go ahead, Mike, You're on ESPN
fifteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Oh he sounded so happy. Hey, go so as usual,
thank you on a weekend for sports. I'll tell you what,
it couldn't have been better? Can I do a light?

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
The Masters couldn't have been better.

Speaker 12 (01:44:37):
You love a guy that's becoming a sixth evertent when
the Grand Slam, that's that's a monumental deal. But you
know what, and you're right to broadcast couldn't have been
more esthetically beautiful and every time everything was just perfect.
And I don't even know what I'm talking about other
than watching for years.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
But when they showed the clips of I had forgotten.
And then Scully used to be a stallwart in calling
these big golf tournaments and he was perfect for it
was his eloguence and poetry. What have you? Did you
see any of those clips they showed of the old
Masters winners with then on the call?

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Yeah, I did. Vin Scully did call golf for CBS
for a long time before he moved on to NBC.
And by the way, Pat Summer all called a lot
of golf as well and was awesome. I thought Nance
did a terrific job yesterday. And I said this at
the top of the show. That is a broadcast, especially
on the Sunday of the Masters, where you have a

(01:45:40):
lot of people coming to it who aren't huge golf fans,
who don't follow the tour on a regular basis, who
might not have even been paying attention on Thursday and Friday,
or a lot of folks who maybe aren't even huge
sports fans, And so you have to serve the golf heads.
You have to serve the people that are hardcore golfers,
and they certainly did that. But you also have to understand,

(01:46:02):
you know that you got a lot of people who
might not understand the backstory here, might not have have
really had the full context of you know, Roy McElroy
has been in that moment in Augustus so many times
and not gotten it done. That he has won all
the other majors, that he's trying to join a group
that includes Hogan, Nicholas, Player, Woods and Saracen, that he's
that he's aiming for history here. And I thought the

(01:46:24):
CBS broadcast did a great job of explaining the backstory.
I thought nance did a great job of kind of
making what McElroy was going through to be kind of relatable,
you know, sort of putting the viewer in a position
where you know, you're walking up to the eighteenth tea box,
you've got a one shot lead, this is the tournament
you've been determined to win. You haven't won it. This
shot is hard enough on a regular Thursday, Well it's

(01:46:47):
hard enough on a regular Sunday when you're merely in
the field. How about when you're holding a one shot lead.
I thought he did a great job of sort of,
you know, building up to the moment where he missed
the putt on eighteen. I thought they did a great
job of letting the moment speak for himself. As the
playoff was starting, and certainly after McElroy made the putt
which won the tournament. That was awesome sports television. And

(01:47:09):
to me, what made it awesome was you don't have
to be you didn't have to be a hardcore golf
fan to understand what was at stake. You didn't have
to be a hardcore golf fan to I think, to
a large degree relate to what Roy mclroy was going through.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
I thought that was a beautiful insight you had into
it at the beginning of the show when you talked
about the not so you know, the casual golf fan
becoming enveloped in the in the whole experience it was.
It was, it was just horrific.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Well the other thing I liked it, thank you, Mike,
And the other thing that I you know, I thought,
And as hokey as this sounds, we we sometimes and
I say we as people who do what I do
for a living, but I also think as sports fans
we almost dehumanize these people and we talked about them
as commodities, and we allow the money they make and

(01:47:59):
the fame they have to color our commentary about them
Rory McElroy yesterday, that moment where he won, it wasn't
about what the check amount that he was going to get.
It wasn't about his career earnings. It was about I've
wanted to do this my entire career. I've been determined
to win this one tournament, this one major tournament that

(01:48:20):
I haven't won, and I've won it, and it's off
my back. There was this sense of relief. In the
post tournament press conference, he started by saying, look, I
have a question, what are we going to talk about
next year? Understanding that every year he's asked about his
past failures at the Masters, that was relief, like that
was joy, But in those immediate seconds after he made

(01:48:41):
that putt, that was a profound sense of relief. A
monkey being pulled off his back, a one thousand pounds
weight off his shoulders. Whatever you want to say, who
among us can't relate to that in some way? That
was very very human. And again it was awesome sports television.
Whether you you watched all seventy two holes of that

(01:49:02):
tournament or whether you just tuned in at about five
o'clock yesterday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
That's right and what's ironic about it is the British
Open is going to be in Northern Ireland this year.
So yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, that's really cool. And here
was another treat yesterday. When's the last time you can remember.

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
In your memory?

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
That was speakid a regular season NBA game that was
as awesome as the Clippers in the Warriors game. That
was a great basketball game.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
It was a playoff game in the regular season. Yeah,
with obviously with LA trying to get home court in
Round one and with the Warriors at home trying to
avoid the play in which they did not do. It's interesting, Mike.
Over the first half of the season, everybody talked about
declining ratings and there being kind of a lack of
interest in the sport, and I was the first to
admit that is a a basketball fan, I thought the

(01:49:53):
first three to three and a half months of the
NBA season were pretty boring, pretty nondescript. I thought though
the Luca trade did something, perhaps unintentionally, it injected of
an infusion of energy into the sport, into the league.
I think Jimmy Butler being traded to Golden State did

(01:50:13):
as well. Suddenly there were really interesting storylines and I
thought the product over the last two months of the
regular season. Understanding I was watching a lot more college
basketball in late February and af of the month of
March has been pretty good. And I think we have
a really interesting play in tournament coming up, and I
think we have some really fascinating first round playoff series.

(01:50:34):
But you're right, that regular season game game number eighty
two yesterday between Golden State and LA was terrific.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
It was. And you know, mister Cosel is kind of
probably my favorite NFL analyst, and this surprised me moment.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
You're talking about Greg Cosell, not Howard.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Yes, yes, sir, Yes, Greg Cosell. Brilliant guy and especially
at analyzing quarterbacks. And uh, he said yesterday that he
thought that after cam Ward that Kyle McCord is the
most valued next quarterback with NFL teams.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Your comments, well, I didn't hear him say that. I
think I saw this morning. Kyle McCord is going to
go visit the New York Giants, which he would then
sit behind Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston. The Kyle McCord
that I watch at Ohio State and Syracuse is not

(01:51:33):
worthy of that billing.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
Yep, absolutely, but obviously he knows more than I do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
So just no no doubt about it. I mean again,
like I look at the draft from the standpoint of
a guy who sits on his couch and watches college football,
and I watched Kyle McCord pretty extensively, and I never
thought to myself, that's a surefire NFL prospect.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
I need it. And one last thing, Kyle feel awell
me those Cobies now, of course, that'll the Crow Armstrong kid.
He was unbelievable yesterday. That guy has blazing speed. He
is really fast. But that Cubs team, now, they are
formidable for the Reds to compete with through the season
that they can hit. Statistically, I think they're six yeah,

(01:52:18):
and they can hitch their sixteenth. So do you think
they do you think they're the favorite or the Reds
of the favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Cubs are the favorite now losing Justin Steele hurts. Kyle
Tucker has been better than even advertised. They've scored I
think they've scored ten runs in five games already so
far this year, including on Saturday when they hung sixteen
on the Dodgers. Offensively, they are really good they've now
got a little bit of a hole in their starting rotation.
I'll tell you what, though, I watched the Sunday Night

(01:52:45):
baseball game last night, and this was talked about pretty extensively,
how good they are defensively. I think you have to
consider right now the Cubs the favorite. But I do
not think they're capable of running away and hiding.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
No, not with our rotation. God bless our rotation. But
you can't hit the Mondosia line and win anything.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
No that they mike, they've been atrocious offensively. I mean
there's no other way. Thank you for the phone call.
They they've been atrocious. The Reds have offensively, and maybe
they're not going to be as atrocious moving forward, and
they will be helped by getting healthier and can hopefully
stay healthy at least for a while. But this team's

(01:53:23):
offensive ceiling is not very high. Like it just it
isn't Like Ellie Dela Cruz is supposed to be their
best offensive player, but we acknowledge he is still he
has he's still incomplete, Like there are a lot of
guys like Kyle Tucker Chicago's best offensive player, Like Kyle
Tucker's established, Like that's an established hitter Ellie Dela Cruz

(01:53:46):
relative to where he think we think he can be,
isn't there yet? So you know, does he take a
major leap? Do they get a whole lot of other
guys who start to produce more once they once they
establish better health, can they stay healthy? Can they get
a piece of the deadline?

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
Like but.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
It's not like they have to score eleven runs a
night to win because the starting pitching is awesome. We're
done or Terrence freestyling? I'm not sure. Paul Tanner Jiner
tomorrow pat noon and tomorrow previewing Reds and MS tomorrow.
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