May 20, 2025 • 42 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss what Joe Burrow and Zac Taylor said and didn't say on Tuesday about Trey Hendrickson and the schedule. Plus, we discussed Shemar Stewart's contract situation, Olympic flag football, a better start to the season for the Bengals, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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O Edgar. Thank you for listening. I hope you're having
an awesome Tuesday afternoon. It's Tuesday, which means our friend
Paul Taylor Junior is here covering the Bengals for the
Athletic as well as the Growler podcast. And here's the
good news for Paul, maybe the bad news for us.
(00:33):
So both Zach Taylor and Joe Burrows spoke just a
short while ago, within the last ninety minutes, and neither
really made news. Thank god, Thank God for you, Oh
thank God for me. I need the content machine to
keep cranking.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Look it's late May. Let's go look day. What day
are you into on the Trey Hendrickson? How many straight
days is it? Seventy two straight days?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Seventy two day?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yes, I mean two days of ninety one, so I
mean day three. You have some fresh content. This is
gonna have to get you from like day three to
day ten. Everything that was said today, but not a.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Lot was That's the problem, I know, was not a
lot of meat on the bone today.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, there's all There's plenty of time. I'm sure there
will be something that why.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I mean, I actually thought some of the things said
by both men were interesting in relation to other topics. Yeah,
but I needed I needed some gasoline port on the
Trey Hendrickson fire, which is still smoldering. No, that did
not happen to me. It did not happen.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I actually thought, you know, Burrow, this this wasn't the
same tone that you heard back in January in regards
to this situation, and that I think is the big
takeaway that was kind of mine was this wasn't we
talked about this last week.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
It's what's he gonna say?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Is it gonna be you gotta pay my guy, or
is it gonna be a little bit more well, I
don't know. It was kind of a little bit more
to the I want to try to get paid. Yeah,
I love Trey. He's unique. And there was even a
you know, might want to have that and back I
think got dropped at one point, like I'm sure, he
has some things, but he's doing his best for his career.
A lot of appreciation for trash, sure, but it didn't come.
(02:07):
It was also kind of a we'll see where this goes.
It wasn't a you know, they want him to be
on the team and all that stuff, but there was
no the organization needs to make this right type of
feel that that was the feel with everything back in January.
So it was a little bit of a dial back
while still supporting this guy, I.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Thought he I thought he successfully navigated answering it truthfully,
I'm sure, while also not making news being a good teammate,
but I think allowing the rest of us to kind
of read into things like tone and the exact verbiage.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, well, and it's just easier to do when you've
heard what the other side sounds like. We know what
aggressive press sounds like now, and it's blunt.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
We're gonna play him back to back later on. That's
a smart move.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yes, that's the way to do it, because you know,
we've we've heard blunt and aggressive and so this was
this was supportive teammate, but not necessarily you know, forceful employee.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Nothing that had to make you skip this appearance on
this show to go write an emergency column.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
No, thank goodness, I did not need another Tuesday where
we hear Trey Hendrickson's music playing outside and then he comes,
you know, repelling down into the press conference or something. No,
thank goodness. It was a clean, a clean availability.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
What did Joe talk about that, in your opinion, was
at least somewhat interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I'm interested right now by off season, Joe, Like, and
I find.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You asked a question about the Matt Gallan Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Well, and really more like, what is kind of he's
really navigating this fine line between enjoying building or having
a public image and the things that his fame is
kind of allowing him to do while also being an
incredibly private person. And I just think you're seeing we've
(03:56):
seen him now over the last few years kind of
grow into this little by little and he's really trying
to do it. And I thought he spoke words that
I bet a lot of people not in a long day.
I just just want to have a nice dinner, yeah, right,
where I have some privacy and some people that I
like that are cool people, and I can hang out
with them and go about my day and just say
that was a good time.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Phelia on that one, right, Like that's great. I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But his point of it's just really hardest guy who's
dealt with the privacy word in his whole life here,
I mean with every and but yet here he is
at the met Gala on quarterback in Paris last year,
like he's doing these things but while also so cognizant
of everything he does, is still through the lens of
(04:42):
privacy and not wanting to feel like he is having
to give up give that up in any way, but
still be able to do things and find social circles
he can be in, and I appreciate. I just think
it's it's fascinating to see him go through this next
level of his sort of off season and personality building.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, it's a little enigmatic, it's mysterious, but it's uh,
he's giving just enough of himself, right, He's putting just
enough out there. He's not on a thousand different commercials
and who knows, maybe that changes if they win one.
It it's maybe not the most fair comparison, but it
(05:22):
reminds me a little bit of Brady as a player. Yeah, Well,
like now we know everything about Tom Brady and he's
on Instagram and he's on TV. But like there was
a time where, you know, Peyton Manning was doing Oreo
cookies commercials and Tom Brady wasn't, and he just there
was sort of like he was in a different strata,
you know, from a societal standpoint, and Peyton was the
(05:42):
guy that you could kind of relate to because he
was doing Oreo cookie commercials and Brady was different. I
think Joe sort of leans more into the Brady aura
while Tom was for the most part an.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Active player, absolutely, And I just I think he wants
what so many of us want. You just want control
of sort of your own privacy and message, like he
I think he wants, Like he talks about the desire
to grow the game, like he has things that he
wants to do and he's trying to do. We obviously
know his desire to help with with what his foundation does,
(06:13):
like we we know this is out there, but he's
he's trying to keep control over he doesn't and you
lose it in many ways when you will for in
his case, leaves his front door, goes anywhere, or just
you know, if you're trying to do something and your
personality ends up in the hands of some business or
whoever you're doing endorsements for.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And I understand.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I don't understand through his you know what he has
to deal with, but I understand feeling that way, like
you just want to feel like you have some control
over a situation that can be really really hard to
control and conspiral Immediately. I mean, this man, if he
was up there and would have said anything sideways or
the wrong way today, it would have been news across
all the channels. Yeah, And so I understand that you
(06:58):
just you go through enough of this and then you
have other things you've gone through. You just want to
feel like you have a little bit of control of yourself,
of your privacy, will also be able to kind of
live a fulfilling life of a twenty year old. So
I just I find it fascinating, which.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Is why I'm excited to see how he's portrayed on
Quarterback Yeah, which is the show on Netflix which I
think is really well done. I will admit to you
the first season of it, I didn't find the individual
quarterbacks interesting enough that the show itself really kept my attention,
But I thought it was really well done. You know,
Zach Taylor talked about there's sort of a Hard Knocks
element to it. They're kind of used to, you know,
(07:32):
Hard Knocks being around the building last year for HBO,
and so it's not nearly as intrusive. A lot of
it's done mechanically, and Zach talked about that today, but
he also talked about how this is really sort of
nuts and bolts football, where you know, folks get a
chance to see what the quarterback does all week long.
The amount of time and I'm paraphrasing here, time and
effort and preparation and minushit that goes into getting ready
(07:54):
to play on Sunday, and how how they framed that
around Joe I think is going to be really interesting.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think it's gonna be a lot of the stuff
that you maybe wanted to see on Hard Knocks, yes,
that you didn't that we talked about for Hard Knocks,
thinking like, oh, okay, it'll be cool to see Joe Moore
in the meetings or or in some of his off
field stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And that wasn't as much.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You know, certainly there was some of that, but that
wasn't as much a part of what Hard Knocks ended
up being so I think it does give you a
chance to to kind of start to see that stuff
in Joe a little bit, and also kind of back
to the control thing. It's a lot easier to do
and to agree to when it's something Peyton Manning is
connected to where you have a relationship and everything Peyton
(08:36):
does it turns to gold and you know it's good.
You know he's gonna be looking out for you, and
it's just you know, it's just very clearly picking his
spots on where he can and will be willing to
do these things that put him out there publicly. And
I think I would wonder and we didn't ask the specifically,
which is amazing, becuding how many questions asked about quarterback today,
(08:58):
But like would you have done it? Would it have
been done without someone like Peyton specifically being at the
head of it, just by the nature of a full
understanding of exactly you know, what you're going through and
what you care about.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I like the fact that Joe mentioned the schedule the
Baltimore game.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Both both guys kind of just saying look, the please
at the end, isn't that is kind of the point
of like, please, can can you adjest at what's some point.
I think it shows that that that landed inside the building,
and I think that was obvious.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And look, look you gotta go play who they put
on the schedule. I think that they'll obviously be the
first to acknowledge that if the season goes sideways, it's
not going to be well stupid NFL and NBC made
us play on Thanksgiving Night in Baltimore. But still, like
we talked about this a great link last week, how
could you not throw up your hands, whether you're a
fan of the team or someone on the team, or
(09:48):
someone who works for the team, or someone who owns
the team when they put him in Baltimore for a
four straight year in primetime, I know they're going to
host the Steelers on a Thursday night, That in itself
isn't going to be easy. How could you not see
how this schedule unfolded and throw your hands up and go,
come on, really? And the fact that Joe did that
and Zach did that, I liked it.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Like, yeah, I mean they feel slighted, and you when
stuff like that happens, you do take it a little
bit personal. It's like when you just set the NFL
record for most road primetime games, and you get set
up for three more, including your primary rival that you've
had to do this against. Yeah, you're you're gonna say something.
And this is also one of those environments where they
can't get fined. I don't think for saying anything. That's
(10:28):
it's kind of a little bit of shot at the
league and the schedule makers. Whereas stuff that comes after games,
you know, you end up where you're like, okay, I'm
not Maybe they'd want to say things, but they hold
back to save themselves financially. This is like, no, we're
not gonna sit here and quietly take this and just
feel disrespected and you say, oh, sorry, sorry, we can't
worry of a home game maybe next year. Right, No,
(10:49):
they're not gonna sit there and quietly take it, and
nor should they, nor should they good like it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It makes things harder. You know. Both guys talked and
said nice things about Jermaine Burton there.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yes, yes, doing what was I believe it was doing
all he.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Can do right now. Yes, that's right now, right now,
doing everything right right now. Joe talked about maturity, which
was good baby steps for Jermaine.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Absolutely right now. Doing the right things is all you
it's all you can say. And I think any hopes
beyond that are strictly that hopes.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So we are we're going to go through. We're in
phase two still and then uh phase three is O
t as Yeah, and then the mini camp and then
there's like five weeks off. That's what I'm going to
be watching for Germaine. Does he come back after the
five weeks off? We good?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That's what I want to say. Is he still living
at the facility? Is he is he down there all
the time? Is he showing up in the off time?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Even?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh, that'd be interesting, you know, turn his thing down there.
I I you know, hopes are nice.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I hope. I hope for his sake that he.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Does put it together and and is able to rebuild
some of that trust.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I need you when we come back to help me
understand the Shamar Stewart thing, which is probably not a
big deal, but it's annoying. It's annoying. All right, We're
gonna get to that when we come back. Plus we
have a few other things to discuss, some of which
don't involve the Bengals. Wow. Yeah, ooh, I'm excited about that.
Necessarily eye opening just when I look at my piece
of paper and I see the word tush push, it
(12:17):
just makes me smile. Yeah. I had to look on
my face like I had something really fun for you.
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(13:42):
Reds is good. I will tell you this. Will Benson
is not in the starting lineup tonight. So my suspicion
is he's the guy who killed the pigeon. Do we
have the latest? What's the latest on the pigeon? Is
he okay? Do we know? Is there like a life
support situation that's happening or original reporting by Charlie Yeah,
I saw it was the pigeon was killed by an
unnamed Reds player. Then he sort of came back and said,
(14:04):
actually the pigeon is still with us, but he's on
life support. Yeah. I haven't seen an update in the
last twenty four hours. But Will Bentson is the hottest
hitter in baseball right now. The only rational for not
playing him bring something that we you know, hope is
not the case, would be that either he is being
punished for killing the pigeon, or he is distraught and
(14:26):
inconsolable and thus incapable of playing. I don't know. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I couldn't help, but thinking, are you a Monty Python person?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It's been years?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yes, the scene where they say bring out your dad
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Not dead yet. I think I'll go for a walk,
you know.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I just feel like this pigeon, He's like, I'm not
dead yet.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I don't know. I don't know what happens when when
a pigeon gets hit by something? Do you administer last rites?
I don't know how this works.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Is there like a is there like a small This
is bad for radio, But I'm using my thumbs to
do some sort of like you know, some sort of
a maneuver when we're to do CPR on the Have
you ever have we ever tried CPR on the pigeon?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I'd watch that. Forget quarterback. This is a reality show
i'd watch.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I guess what I want to know, and maybe this
is a question I'll pose to Charlie at some point,
why not name the player? Who was it? Who was
the player? Who was the player, And is there an
investigation being done? Something bad happened. You assume it was
an accident. Nobody's like, hey, watch me hit this BP
pitch for a line drive. That's going to murder a pigeon.
Back in the day, back in the day.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
At spring training that we were, when I was at
the Inquirer, they had they were testing out a new
they were at testing a new camera and it was
like a three sixty type deal they were going to use,
and they set it up on top on the BP
cage right like right out by the way picture is end,
and Joey says, I'm gonna hit that, and they threw
They threw it and he, like the first pitch basically
(15:55):
swings hits the camera with it. So Wow, Outside of
Joey Vass know who I believe could have hit the
pigeon if he wanted to. Wow, I don't know that
anybody has that type of back control from that distance.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But we don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I'm I'm interested, though I need more.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well, we'll see if we can get a dispatch from Pittsburgh.
As to the status of the pigeon and why Will
Benson is not playing. The other thing today from Zach
Taylor is shot down the idea of another joint practice. Yeah,
because this this training camp and off season is different
because they actually have to win games to start the
season now, right and improve upon that awful record in September.
(16:31):
And so is this just can't find a team? Do
you think, is this we're just gonna kind of blow
up how we've done training camp the last few years.
Why no joint practice?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, I just I just don't think it was was
a match in terms of the way they did it.
But also I think they're making up for that by
players playing in the actual game instead of the joint practice.
So it feels like that's where the lean has been,
is that, look, let's let's get him into real game conditions,
like maybe the joint practices weren't as football realistic as
(17:04):
we wanted them to be, you know, partially, and so
you can get back into them playing. So I think
that's part of it. That's interesting. You know, Joe kind
of mentioned it casually that they're they're running more. It
seems like right now they're working more on their condition
right now than they have in the past, to make
sure that's more up, and then obviously the lean into
what they're going to do in the preseason game seems
(17:25):
to kind of be the two pronged approach to being
a little more ready week one. Of course, as long
as that comes with a fully healthy Joe Burrow, I
feel like it. You know, they shouldn't have any problem
getting off to a fast start. I just think that's
it's kind of the thing that we get so used
to seeing it, and I do think that like a
(17:45):
lot of this stuff is real, but it's so much
of like, well, if Joe Burrow is fully healthy at
the beginning of the season without any pre existing issues,
they're a different team and he just hasn't been. I know,
we gloss over it because we want to make it
about so much more like participating in OTAs and how
hard are they going and playing the preseason. I just
(18:08):
for ninety percent of it, you know, go back to
I don't know, is Burrow like ready to roll week
one because I constantly have the injury stuff, So I
to me, I think there's a portion of this that
is one hundred percent right, Like they need to approach
it differently. They should be approaching it differently. They probably
need to be more physical. Guys probably need to play
in the preseason. I also think they just need fully healthy.
(18:29):
No issue. Joe Burrow Week one.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, I'm not gonna watch the preseason games.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
It's gonna be tough. Only bad things happen in preseason game.
I mean, I will starters play, I will find out
what happened during them, and then watch so I can
offer some sort of comment on them. But it's I
was thinking about what it's going to be like when
my daughter gets her driver's license.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I mean, just I'm gonna shut down, like watching Joe
Burrow and players who matter playing games that don't. It
has to happen, it's necessary, evil I want them to.
I don't think I'll be able to watch. Yeah, and
I will have an easier time if the Knicks are
in Game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals dealing with
that emotionally. Then watching Bengals players who matter playing games
(19:12):
that don't count, well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
You're certainly trotting out Cody Ford and Lucas Patrick and
not Dylan Fairchild in that preseason game.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
When you're out there.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
That's the other thing is like, what are you dealing
with if there's a couple of dings. If Ted Carris
and a Marius Mims have a couple of dings and
they're not a part of it, are you even like,
are you even bothering? There's many ways and he you knows,
Zach Taylor kind of can he keeps leaving it out
in those as you should? Sure, Like, look if things
change in precs, if we're out there and like too
many guys are hurt, we're not going to do it.
(19:42):
And I think it's if you don't have pretty much
all of your starting five offensive linemen, there's there's no
reason to do anything other than go out there and
hand off. If that's what this is about. But I
don't think that is what this is about. I think
they want to go out there and run real offense.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah. I mean, Joe was healthy for Game one last year,
but didn't look right right, didn't look them U. I
want I want to one Joe Burrow who looks like
he's within the flow of what they're trying to do.
So if he's got to play in those games, fine,
I'm all in. Boy, that's going to be nerve wracking man. Yeah,
and I think there's a thought that he needs to
play more. Yeah it than a little uh say, I
(20:17):
I don't and like play for real, like take he
to say, take a hit and roll out and throw
and run the offense and throw deep and look like
you're going to be as to look in September.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
That comes with it such a bad risk comes to
the bad risk. But you know what, but you're trying
to set yourself up to have.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
A fast start, right, you have to you have to
all right, I am late. When we come back, I
need you to explain what they're doing or not doing
with Shamar Stewart. Okay, try your best. I would Paul
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not include Will Benson. We have not gotten confirmation if
it's because he hit the pigeon in batting practice yesterday,
but the starting lineup does include TJ Friedel and center.
Espinall's a third Ellie Austin Hayes at at left field,
Spencer Steers playing first base, Stevenson's dhing Jose Travino is
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Bengals today.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Right, Not really? It was pretty Uh, it was pretty tame.
I think, all things considered, what it could have been.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Our stewart is around, but he's not going through practice.
Can you explain to me why this is the case.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
There is a dispute over language in the contract essentially,
or allocation of whatever small percentage of money guarantees, all
that stuff in the in the contract which is pre set.
But they are like you can have haggle points. I mean,
not everybody is signed. There's a lot of first runners
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that aren't signed, and so Schamar is not gonna participate
until the deal is done.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
The deal is not done.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
There's he's not no waiver to be sometimes just a
waiver you can sign. Everything's good here in case there's
anybody gets he gets hurt.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
There's no waiver here.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
There's no signed waiver, and so he's watching it.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Here's it.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Here's if you I can paint a picture for you
of what happened today. Jerry Montgomery has the new defensive line, yes,
thank you, has all his linemen in front of him
and they are practicing, you know whatever the new verbages.
So everybody knows to get into whatever position and do
(24:11):
these these rushes. There's no offensive lineman or anything. It's
just guys lining up. And he just says, uh, stu,
since since you're here, comes stand next to me, and
you're the running back. So there he is, he's the
running back. And so they go on. They all the
guys are doing their past rush moves and they end
up right next to Shamar Stewart right and it's like, oh,
(24:32):
there's there. He is as a running back. That's what
he's doing right now. He's there. Or if they're doing
moves around one of the you know, one of the dummies,
the tackling dummies, he stands next to it, right, and
so then they go and do like moves around him
so he to have a good view, get in themental reps.
But like it's like it just all feels so silly.
(24:55):
It all feels so silly. It's like how, how how
is this happening? Like I, for one, and I said this,
I've said this at every turn and last week with
you as well. I I think it's minimum makes minimal
difference that he's not actually out there showing the work.
Like there's something to being out there. I'm not saying none,
(25:16):
but this is not hard charge in practice, okay, And
he's in all the meetings. He's literally standing next to
the dummies. Uh, he's he's out there. You know, he
sees and you hear what's going on. The the installation
of understanding where you need to go, what you need
to do is there. I I don't think that there
is some massive loss in like the time on the
(25:39):
field doing the said moves for that hour that they're
out there that's actually happening.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
It's just silly.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yes, it's just silly that that that you can't something
that is a lay up can't just be finished. Here
this is there's no reason to be messing around with this,
there's other than some dumb stand Like I I just
I don't understand why everybody can't just be like, hey,
this is domb right, Well, I admit this is stupid.
(26:06):
Can we just like fix it right now? Let's just
go fix.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Something like you'll hear, well it's just language, it's not
that big of a deal. Well, if it's just language
and not that big of a deal, fix it, fix it.
I don't have an answer for you on that one,
other than why does it always have to be like this?
There's nothing else to do, there's no I mean, if
they're not going to negotiate more with Trey Hendrickson, why
not at least say hey, let's just let's just check
(26:31):
this box and get this done and clear up whatever
the dispute is. And why can't I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
What I don't understand is it's not like I mean,
they picked it almost the exact same spot last year.
Just copy and paste the men's contract, Like do just
just end this? The guy is able has signed, who's
right there next to him, Like, just end it, sign this,
And it's a silly charade. But it's what it is
right now.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Jermaine Pratt is still a Cincinnati Bengue, don't.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I don't know, I mean I I do.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I think it's just one of these things where they're like, look,
whatever they're trying to do, is it is there? Are
they holding off for somebody who maybe showed interest in
the trade. There's something that there's some reason to hold
off on other than to just I cannot imagine how
Jermaine Pratt must be ready to like just jump off
(27:23):
his roof at this point, to be like, let me go,
let me go get a team.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
No, I there's some whole there's no threat of Jermaine
Pratt being back, but there is clearly some type of
a well maybe if we hold on long enough, they'll
give us something in a trade or whatever is going
on there.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, good luck with that. Good luck with that. I
you know, how long would it have to go before
they would go? Okay, Jermaine see it already. I'm with
you there. But if it's like, well, you know, who knows,
maybe somebody loses a linebacker, Well they're gonna wait till
training camp to move the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Right at this point, I don't know that how you
can say anything the definitive in this area.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I I the draft was, I.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Mean it's almost been a month, yeah, right, So I
don't you know, I would have thought that it would
have been waiting for a release on seven am on
the Monday after the draft.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I thought it was gonna be like Andy Dalton.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
And that's the under Yeah, And that's the understanding that
I think that that I thought that everybody had. But
there's something else that is like.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
The semantics argument where they go, well, you requested a trade,
not a release. So no, I think there's just some
sort of whatever maneuvering.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I don't know, somebody's thinking that they're doing something real
smart somewhere. I think it's just time to end it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I got the notification on my phone yesterday as a
season ticket hole that I can vote for the twenty
twenty five Bengals Ring of Honor class to vote for two.
It's all holdovers, and not to say that those holdovers
don't deserve to be in. You and I are an
agreement about this. We found about this for years. How
(29:16):
Dave Lapham wasn't put in last year I ridiculous. Frankly
An embarrassment, but whatever, so he's back, as are a
whole bunch of men who have been on the ballot before.
Is there any idea as to when they will add
newer figures to the ballot or are they just going
to wait for all those players to inevitably get in
before we see more modern players, you know, or maybe
(29:37):
a former coach.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I think yes, I know there's a lot of talk
about that, Sam y e Sports Greg. I think there's
a recognition of the fact that, you know, this shouldn't
go on until you're down to saying, here's the two
guys left right, that there's gonna have to be a
point where something changed. I think there's a recognition of
that when that is, I don't I don't know exactly
(29:59):
when when that will be. It feels like it's getting close. Yeah,
it feels like it's time because you know, you get
into now an era of guys, you know, from ten
to fifteen years ago where it's relevant like and I
would say this, so much of why they did this
was bringing the recognition to players in not just for
(30:23):
having their name up there or like in the case
of Ken Riley, really prompted of let's honor these guys
before they pass away, but also to help pump up
guys that can maybe help fix their issue of not
getting guys in the Hall of Fame, of not feeling
like feeling a little, you know, screwed over by Canton here.
(30:45):
And when you have guys that are going to be
on the fringe, Geno Atkins is the first one that
comes to mind. You know, I think he's got a
good chance, but he's not a shoe in it.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Hall of Fame voting hasn't been kind of defensive tackles.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
It hasn't and and he's not in a Hall of Fame,
has been kind to, very outspoken in the media after
you after you all are done playing like there's not
a lot of guys who just let their play speak
for themselves and play a more anonymous position that get honored. Now.
Gino has some things going for him. He's got a
(31:21):
lot of sacks. He's who was on the All Decade
team and and all that.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
One of the most famous people to call in when
we played the famous game.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
The the most insane thing that's ever happened in the
history of your show is that we tried maybe every
day for his entire career to get him to talk.
And then you were just trying to give free tickets away.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It was set away home run derby tickets and.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
It was who's the most famous person you could get
to call it? And it was Geno Atkins.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I don't think I think the person who Gino called
in on behalf of did win. But Gino Atkins called
in unbelievable. Yes, unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Uh, but that's that's like, it's just that's the type
of thing that you would want to give as somebody
like Geno Eckotts from that era.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And there will be others.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
You know, we could talk about aj Green in this
respect when he comes into the conversation another he'll be
a fringe guy for sure. Sure, And so these you'd
need to open it up at some point if you
want to accomplish one of the things that you started
this to accomplish. These are gonna be the next guys
that are gonna be up for the Hall of Fame.
I think you have to consider that pretty soon. And
(32:30):
it just gets weird when it's like, Okay, we're just
all just counting down until all these guys are in.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I meanly just put them in. So there's nine people
left on the ballot. They were all on the ballot
in twenty twenty one, which tells me they're waiting for
all these guys to go in. If we do two
a year every year for the next four well then
the one guy is gonna be in twenty twenty nine
on the outside looking in. I'm you gonna you're gonna
make You're gonna make Bob Trump. You wait until he's
(32:55):
eighty five years old. I mean, legitimately gonna make Lamar Parrish,
I'm sure is in his seventies, are going to make
him wait five more Like, I have no idea who's
going to be voted in, but you can tell Jim
Breach twenty twenty nine is going to be your year. Man, Like, yeah,
just put all these guys in.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Put them in. You want to do it. You're saying there,
it's eventually gonna happen. And then once you do that,
then you can turn the process into whatever you want
it to be. You want it to be one every
year every two years, you want to be a little
bit more selective at that point, then that's fine. But
I think we're all under the emission that man how
would you feel if you're on this listen, you don't
(33:31):
get it right, like they're.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
All getting in.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
So just those do it and then get in and
then fix your process to be whatever you want it
to be going forward. And I you know, I don't
think that that's in the offing immediately, but it certainly
has to start to be part of the commersation.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Again, Bob Trumpy, I know this. He just turned eighty
years old. Yeah, so you know what you don't want
is another scenario where the person's not there. Yeah, and
so I if you're acknowledging all nine of these guys
are going to get in. I see, No, it's it's
your ring of honor. You can bend the rules, change
the rules however you want. Yeah, what do you feel?
(34:08):
How do you feel about flag football in the Olympics
with NFL players?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I heard you guys talking about this with Tony and
Austin earlier, and it was I think the question was
bagged of who is the player from the Bengals that
you would want?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Jake Browning? All right, yeah, Jake can sling it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Let Jake would love some notoriety show that he can
sling it.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Gold medal winning flag football quarterback Jake Browning, not Joe Burrow. Fine,
we just went. You know, I appreciate Joe, like, you know,
the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Sure again around all I appreciate it and like wanting
to grow the game and all this stuff. I appreciate that.
I don't know, man, Yeah, yeah. So it's one of
those they're gonna be a problem winning.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Okay. So there's things about this. Number One, it's it's
like the US Olympic men's basketball team from two different standpoints. One,
if you're gonna be allowed to play, I can't get
mad if you choose to play. It's like when players
get voted into the Pro Bowl. I prefer you didn't,
and then the Pro Bowl has changed. I prefer you didn't,
But if you're allowed, I can't get mad if you do. Right. Also,
(35:15):
this is the ultimate no win. It's like US Olympic
men's basketball. If you win, nobody cares. If you lose
National emergency. So to me, if you're Joe Burrow or
anybody else and you go, okay, we're gonna go to
the Olympics and win flag football's gold medal, no one
will care. But if you lose even just a game
(35:36):
and pool play international incident.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, being no win, Yeah I disagree. Be an Olympians
seems really cool.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Be an Olympians seems really cool until the sport that
you're supposed to win you don't win, but they're not
gonna lose.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
And getting to just be part of the Olympic festivities.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
In Los Angeles. So right, it's like you to go
somewhere cool. I've done La hard pass on that one.
So if I'm Joe Borrow, I get to go back
to La win a flag football gold medal in the
same city where I lost to Super Bowl and get
no credit for it. Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I just think being being a part of the ceremonies,
I mean, he maybe only shows up for the ceremonies
and like whatever, maybe maybe plays in just the gold
medal game, you know, it just shows up and slings
it a little in the gold Who are.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
These players on the teams that would be competing for
other countries. Who's on Sweden's flag football team?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I'm interested, right, I'm interested in knowing is anybody has
anybody spotted Morritz bow Ringer?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Is he still around? Can Mobo go play for Germany?
How many countries will field flag football teams? Do we
have tryouts? Is there a trial camp? The US men's
basketball they have a trial camp and then you go
and you'd volunteer your time and services and you get
cut and then we get to make fun of you
for being cut, Like screw that man, no win situation.
It's like the Super Bowl halftime show. Why bother?
Speaker 4 (36:59):
You're just gonna get crucified play one bad note? Does
Chase Brown go play for Canada? Do we get that?
Do we get some some Canadian rivalry here? Potential? I'm
just saying. I mean there's they got.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
A whole country as CFL players, they do, so there'd
be a competition there.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Yeah, I mean a lot of the CFL players are
also from around here.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
But only so many per team. There's specific rules. Yes,
should they ban the toush push? This is gonna happen
this week? This is this is this is one of
the stories this week. I would not no, I would
leave it, stop it. I would to stop it or
do it yourself and no one else.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
The fact, it's the fact that only the Eagles are
truly unstoppable at it says no, like I'm not now
I'm here for to hear have more conversation about the like,
can we stop it with the constantly pushing the ball
carrier with the scrums that happened everywhere on the field,
not just in the toush push like. I do think
that's gotten a little out of control because it's something
(37:58):
that they need to just be, you know, actually officiating.
But I don't know it'd be one thing if everyone
gets to third and one and just gets it every time.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
That's not the case.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Teams are getting stopped at this all the time except Philadelphia,
so I for that case, I I would say.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
When this first came up, I was surprised to read
that the success rate isn't what the perception is that
it is.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
No, I mean, there's there's there's certainly plenty of teams
out there that are not very good at it. We've
watched the Bengals not Beird're not very good, of course
they're not. They haven't been good at a lot of
short yardage things.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Right. They don't let their quarterback or their quarterback doesn't
want to do sneaks, so you know, the touch push
has got to be on the books for them, and
they don't they're not good at that either. Yeah, and
just throw it all right, we covered it all. What's
left nothing? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah, I mean we even we even went into deep
into the Olympics conversation, deeper than I than I got
to know about the Sweden flag football team.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
In four years. I guess three years when when we're handicapping, Look,
I'll do the research that you know, as somebody who
covers the NFL, like you might have to go cover.
I would love to Olympics. I would love her to.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I would actually love to stop covering the NFL just
to go cover the Olympics in la period. I love
the Olympics. Olympics are great and the stories are their
stories galore. I like the Summer Olympics more than the
Winter Olympics. Yes, but I love the fact that the
Winter Olympics have fewer sports and more sports that have ice,
and thus more potential for bad things to happen.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Can I ask you it's all about the crashes?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Can I ask you a question, and you've probably talked
about this, why basketball should be a Winter Olympics sport?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, but the season's going during the winter, so what
so it goes back a break? Well, I mean you can.
I guess the hockey does. Hockey takes a break, takes
a break. Yeah, sure, but I around the world when
our professional league's playing Like around the world here, basketball
is a winter sport is and I legitimately don't know
(40:02):
is basketball in winter or summer sport elsewhere? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I just feel like I would, but it would liven
up the Winter Games. What this is about me enjoying
my Winter Games experience.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I wonder how many NBA players, and given the fact
that the NBA is so global, I wonder how many
NBA players would not play if it was winter that
do play when it's summer.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Let me tell you who's not trying hard in January
and February NBA players. Okay, so maybe give them a
little bit of some juice to go actually play hard.
Uh at that time of year, take take a longer break.
They just shorten the season when in years of the Olympics,
NBA season doesn't start until after the Olympics. Fine, winter Olympics,
(40:43):
all right.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I'm in I'm down.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I'm not watching I mean in November, November in the NBA, Yeah,
I mean, well, the Olympics are not in November c No, No,
I'm saying I start even if you're starting later, like
those games that are played before that.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
My favorite or regular season was twelve thirteen started on
Christmases and they played sixty six games. Yes, and it
was great. Yes, terrific. That's the one. All right, Paul,
Thanks so much. Paul Danner jump pro. I'm covering the
if I now we're going to talk about next Tuesday
real quick. Yeah, because I'm going to Indy. Oh you're
going that's next Tuesday. Yes, okay with one of your
(41:19):
podcast buddies, Shallafu and Rapeen going to Indy. Wow. Looking
for a studio in Indy if not doing the show
for my house. They live on the West.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Side, and you're gonna get and take the run out there.
I feel like we could find you a hook up
in Indianapolis. So far, the poll that you have, I
have no pull the poll that you have. Nobody's willing
to hook you up with an Ethernet court. I haven't
cast the net out quite yet. All right, see what
I can do. Maybe I can help you.
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Paul Taylor Junior is here covering the Bengals for the
Athletic as well as the Growler podcast. And here's the
good news for Paul, maybe the bad news for us.
(00:33):
So both Zach Taylor and Joe Burrows spoke just a
short while ago, within the last ninety minutes, and neither
really made news. Thank god, Thank God for you, Oh
thank God for me. I need the content machine to
keep cranking.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Look it's late May. Let's go look day. What day
are you into on the Trey Hendrickson? How many straight
days is it? Seventy two straight days?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Seventy two day?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yes, I mean two days of ninety one, so I
mean day three. You have some fresh content. This is
gonna have to get you from like day three to
day ten. Everything that was said today, but not a.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Lot was That's the problem, I know, was not a
lot of meat on the bone today.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, there's all There's plenty of time. I'm sure there
will be something that why.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I mean, I actually thought some of the things said
by both men were interesting in relation to other topics. Yeah,
but I needed I needed some gasoline port on the
Trey Hendrickson fire, which is still smoldering. No, that did
not happen to me. It did not happen.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I actually thought, you know, Burrow, this this wasn't the
same tone that you heard back in January in regards
to this situation, and that I think is the big
takeaway that was kind of mine was this wasn't we
talked about this last week.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
It's what's he gonna say?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Is it gonna be you gotta pay my guy, or
is it gonna be a little bit more well, I
don't know. It was kind of a little bit more
to the I want to try to get paid. Yeah,
I love Trey. He's unique. And there was even a
you know, might want to have that and back I
think got dropped at one point, like I'm sure, he
has some things, but he's doing his best for his career.
A lot of appreciation for trash, sure, but it didn't come.
(02:07):
It was also kind of a we'll see where this goes.
It wasn't a you know, they want him to be
on the team and all that stuff, but there was
no the organization needs to make this right type of
feel that that was the feel with everything back in January.
So it was a little bit of a dial back
while still supporting this guy, I.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Thought he I thought he successfully navigated answering it truthfully,
I'm sure, while also not making news being a good teammate,
but I think allowing the rest of us to kind
of read into things like tone and the exact verbiage.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, well, and it's just easier to do when you've
heard what the other side sounds like. We know what
aggressive press sounds like now, and it's blunt.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
We're gonna play him back to back later on. That's
a smart move.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yes, that's the way to do it, because you know,
we've we've heard blunt and aggressive and so this was
this was supportive teammate, but not necessarily you know, forceful employee.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Nothing that had to make you skip this appearance on
this show to go write an emergency column.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
No, thank goodness, I did not need another Tuesday where
we hear Trey Hendrickson's music playing outside and then he comes,
you know, repelling down into the press conference or something. No,
thank goodness. It was a clean, a clean availability.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
What did Joe talk about that, in your opinion, was
at least somewhat interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I'm interested right now by off season, Joe, Like, and
I find.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You asked a question about the Matt Gallan Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Well, and really more like, what is kind of he's
really navigating this fine line between enjoying building or having
a public image and the things that his fame is
kind of allowing him to do while also being an
incredibly private person. And I just think you're seeing we've
(03:56):
seen him now over the last few years kind of
grow into this little by little and he's really trying
to do it. And I thought he spoke words that
I bet a lot of people not in a long day.
I just just want to have a nice dinner, yeah, right,
where I have some privacy and some people that I
like that are cool people, and I can hang out
with them and go about my day and just say
that was a good time.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Phelia on that one, right, Like that's great. I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But his point of it's just really hardest guy who's
dealt with the privacy word in his whole life here,
I mean with every and but yet here he is
at the met Gala on quarterback in Paris last year,
like he's doing these things but while also so cognizant
of everything he does, is still through the lens of
(04:42):
privacy and not wanting to feel like he is having
to give up give that up in any way, but
still be able to do things and find social circles
he can be in, and I appreciate. I just think
it's it's fascinating to see him go through this next
level of his sort of off season and personality building.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, it's a little enigmatic, it's mysterious, but it's uh,
he's giving just enough of himself, right, He's putting just
enough out there. He's not on a thousand different commercials
and who knows, maybe that changes if they win one.
It it's maybe not the most fair comparison, but it
(05:22):
reminds me a little bit of Brady as a player. Yeah, Well,
like now we know everything about Tom Brady and he's
on Instagram and he's on TV. But like there was
a time where, you know, Peyton Manning was doing Oreo
cookies commercials and Tom Brady wasn't, and he just there
was sort of like he was in a different strata,
you know, from a societal standpoint, and Peyton was the
(05:42):
guy that you could kind of relate to because he
was doing Oreo cookie commercials and Brady was different. I
think Joe sort of leans more into the Brady aura
while Tom was for the most part an.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Active player, absolutely, And I just I think he wants
what so many of us want. You just want control
of sort of your own privacy and message, like he
I think he wants, Like he talks about the desire
to grow the game, like he has things that he
wants to do and he's trying to do. We obviously
know his desire to help with with what his foundation does,
(06:13):
like we we know this is out there, but he's
he's trying to keep control over he doesn't and you
lose it in many ways when you will for in
his case, leaves his front door, goes anywhere, or just
you know, if you're trying to do something and your
personality ends up in the hands of some business or
whoever you're doing endorsements for.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And I understand.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I don't understand through his you know what he has
to deal with, but I understand feeling that way, like
you just want to feel like you have some control
over a situation that can be really really hard to
control and conspiral Immediately. I mean, this man, if he
was up there and would have said anything sideways or
the wrong way today, it would have been news across
all the channels. Yeah, And so I understand that you
(06:58):
just you go through enough of this and then you
have other things you've gone through. You just want to
feel like you have a little bit of control of yourself,
of your privacy, will also be able to kind of
live a fulfilling life of a twenty year old. So
I just I find it fascinating, which.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Is why I'm excited to see how he's portrayed on
Quarterback Yeah, which is the show on Netflix which I
think is really well done. I will admit to you
the first season of it, I didn't find the individual
quarterbacks interesting enough that the show itself really kept my attention,
But I thought it was really well done. You know,
Zach Taylor talked about there's sort of a Hard Knocks
element to it. They're kind of used to, you know,
(07:32):
Hard Knocks being around the building last year for HBO,
and so it's not nearly as intrusive. A lot of
it's done mechanically, and Zach talked about that today, but
he also talked about how this is really sort of
nuts and bolts football, where you know, folks get a
chance to see what the quarterback does all week long.
The amount of time and I'm paraphrasing here, time and
effort and preparation and minushit that goes into getting ready
(07:54):
to play on Sunday, and how how they framed that
around Joe I think is going to be really interesting.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I think it's gonna be a lot of the stuff
that you maybe wanted to see on Hard Knocks, yes,
that you didn't that we talked about for Hard Knocks,
thinking like, oh, okay, it'll be cool to see Joe Moore
in the meetings or or in some of his off
field stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And that wasn't as much.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You know, certainly there was some of that, but that
wasn't as much a part of what Hard Knocks ended
up being so I think it does give you a
chance to to kind of start to see that stuff
in Joe a little bit, and also kind of back
to the control thing. It's a lot easier to do
and to agree to when it's something Peyton Manning is
connected to where you have a relationship and everything Peyton
(08:36):
does it turns to gold and you know it's good.
You know he's gonna be looking out for you, and
it's just you know, it's just very clearly picking his
spots on where he can and will be willing to
do these things that put him out there publicly. And
I think I would wonder and we didn't ask the specifically,
which is amazing, becuding how many questions asked about quarterback today,
(08:58):
But like would you have done it? Would it have
been done without someone like Peyton specifically being at the
head of it, just by the nature of a full
understanding of exactly you know, what you're going through and
what you care about.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I like the fact that Joe mentioned the schedule the
Baltimore game.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Both both guys kind of just saying look, the please
at the end, isn't that is kind of the point
of like, please, can can you adjest at what's some point.
I think it shows that that that landed inside the building,
and I think that was obvious.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And look, look you gotta go play who they put
on the schedule. I think that they'll obviously be the
first to acknowledge that if the season goes sideways, it's
not going to be well stupid NFL and NBC made
us play on Thanksgiving Night in Baltimore. But still, like
we talked about this a great link last week, how
could you not throw up your hands, whether you're a
fan of the team or someone on the team, or
(09:48):
someone who works for the team, or someone who owns
the team when they put him in Baltimore for a
four straight year in primetime, I know they're going to
host the Steelers on a Thursday night, That in itself
isn't going to be easy. How could you not see
how this schedule unfolded and throw your hands up and go,
come on, really? And the fact that Joe did that
and Zach did that, I liked it.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Like, yeah, I mean they feel slighted, and you when
stuff like that happens, you do take it a little
bit personal. It's like when you just set the NFL
record for most road primetime games, and you get set
up for three more, including your primary rival that you've
had to do this against. Yeah, you're you're gonna say something.
And this is also one of those environments where they
can't get fined. I don't think for saying anything. That's
(10:28):
it's kind of a little bit of shot at the
league and the schedule makers. Whereas stuff that comes after games,
you know, you end up where you're like, okay, I'm
not Maybe they'd want to say things, but they hold
back to save themselves financially. This is like, no, we're
not gonna sit here and quietly take this and just
feel disrespected and you say, oh, sorry, sorry, we can't
worry of a home game maybe next year. Right, No,
(10:49):
they're not gonna sit there and quietly take it, and
nor should they, nor should they good like it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It makes things harder. You know. Both guys talked and
said nice things about Jermaine Burton there.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yes, yes, doing what was I believe it was doing
all he.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Can do right now. Yes, that's right now, right now,
doing everything right right now. Joe talked about maturity, which
was good baby steps for Jermaine.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Absolutely right now. Doing the right things is all you
it's all you can say. And I think any hopes
beyond that are strictly that hopes.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So we are we're going to go through. We're in
phase two still and then uh phase three is O
t as Yeah, and then the mini camp and then
there's like five weeks off. That's what I'm going to
be watching for Germaine. Does he come back after the
five weeks off? We good?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That's what I want to say. Is he still living
at the facility? Is he is he down there all
the time? Is he showing up in the off time?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Even?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh, that'd be interesting, you know, turn his thing down there.
I I you know, hopes are nice.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I hope. I hope for his sake that he.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Does put it together and and is able to rebuild
some of that trust.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I need you when we come back to help me
understand the Shamar Stewart thing, which is probably not a
big deal, but it's annoying. It's annoying. All right, We're
gonna get to that when we come back. Plus we
have a few other things to discuss, some of which
don't involve the Bengals. Wow. Yeah, ooh, I'm excited about that.
Necessarily eye opening just when I look at my piece
of paper and I see the word tush push, it
(12:17):
just makes me smile. Yeah. I had to look on
my face like I had something really fun for you.
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If you haven't listened to Power Stacks with Brian Geeseon's
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of the Reds, which right now the state of the
(13:42):
Reds is good. I will tell you this. Will Benson
is not in the starting lineup tonight. So my suspicion
is he's the guy who killed the pigeon. Do we
have the latest? What's the latest on the pigeon? Is
he okay? Do we know? Is there like a life
support situation that's happening or original reporting by Charlie Yeah,
I saw it was the pigeon was killed by an
unnamed Reds player. Then he sort of came back and said,
(14:04):
actually the pigeon is still with us, but he's on
life support. Yeah. I haven't seen an update in the
last twenty four hours. But Will Bentson is the hottest
hitter in baseball right now. The only rational for not
playing him bring something that we you know, hope is
not the case, would be that either he is being
punished for killing the pigeon, or he is distraught and
(14:26):
inconsolable and thus incapable of playing. I don't know. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I couldn't help, but thinking, are you a Monty Python person?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It's been years?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yes, the scene where they say bring out your dad
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Not dead yet. I think I'll go for a walk,
you know.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I just feel like this pigeon, He's like, I'm not
dead yet.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I don't know. I don't know what happens when when
a pigeon gets hit by something? Do you administer last rites?
I don't know how this works.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Is there like a is there like a small This
is bad for radio, But I'm using my thumbs to
do some sort of like you know, some sort of
a maneuver when we're to do CPR on the Have
you ever have we ever tried CPR on the pigeon?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I'd watch that. Forget quarterback. This is a reality show
i'd watch.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I guess what I want to know, and maybe this
is a question I'll pose to Charlie at some point,
why not name the player? Who was it? Who was
the player? Who was the player, And is there an
investigation being done? Something bad happened. You assume it was
an accident. Nobody's like, hey, watch me hit this BP
pitch for a line drive. That's going to murder a pigeon.
Back in the day, back in the day.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
At spring training that we were, when I was at
the Inquirer, they had they were testing out a new
they were at testing a new camera and it was
like a three sixty type deal they were going to use,
and they set it up on top on the BP
cage right like right out by the way picture is end,
and Joey says, I'm gonna hit that, and they threw
They threw it and he, like the first pitch basically
(15:55):
swings hits the camera with it. So Wow, Outside of
Joey Vass know who I believe could have hit the
pigeon if he wanted to. Wow, I don't know that
anybody has that type of back control from that distance.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But we don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I'm I'm interested, though I need more.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well, we'll see if we can get a dispatch from Pittsburgh.
As to the status of the pigeon and why Will
Benson is not playing. The other thing today from Zach
Taylor is shot down the idea of another joint practice. Yeah,
because this this training camp and off season is different
because they actually have to win games to start the
season now, right and improve upon that awful record in September.
(16:31):
And so is this just can't find a team? Do
you think, is this we're just gonna kind of blow
up how we've done training camp the last few years.
Why no joint practice?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, I just I just don't think it was was
a match in terms of the way they did it.
But also I think they're making up for that by
players playing in the actual game instead of the joint practice.
So it feels like that's where the lean has been,
is that, look, let's let's get him into real game conditions,
like maybe the joint practices weren't as football realistic as
(17:04):
we wanted them to be, you know, partially, and so
you can get back into them playing. So I think
that's part of it. That's interesting. You know, Joe kind
of mentioned it casually that they're they're running more. It
seems like right now they're working more on their condition
right now than they have in the past, to make
sure that's more up, and then obviously the lean into
what they're going to do in the preseason game seems
(17:25):
to kind of be the two pronged approach to being
a little more ready week one. Of course, as long
as that comes with a fully healthy Joe Burrow, I
feel like it. You know, they shouldn't have any problem
getting off to a fast start. I just think that's
it's kind of the thing that we get so used
to seeing it, and I do think that like a
(17:45):
lot of this stuff is real, but it's so much
of like, well, if Joe Burrow is fully healthy at
the beginning of the season without any pre existing issues,
they're a different team and he just hasn't been. I know,
we gloss over it because we want to make it
about so much more like participating in OTAs and how
hard are they going and playing the preseason. I just
(18:08):
for ninety percent of it, you know, go back to
I don't know, is Burrow like ready to roll week
one because I constantly have the injury stuff, So I
to me, I think there's a portion of this that
is one hundred percent right, Like they need to approach
it differently. They should be approaching it differently. They probably
need to be more physical. Guys probably need to play
in the preseason. I also think they just need fully healthy.
(18:29):
No issue. Joe Burrow Week one.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, I'm not gonna watch the preseason games.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
It's gonna be tough. Only bad things happen in preseason game.
I mean, I will starters play, I will find out
what happened during them, and then watch so I can
offer some sort of comment on them. But it's I
was thinking about what it's going to be like when
my daughter gets her driver's license.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I mean, just I'm gonna shut down, like watching Joe
Burrow and players who matter playing games that don't. It
has to happen, it's necessary, evil I want them to.
I don't think I'll be able to watch. Yeah, and
I will have an easier time if the Knicks are
in Game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals dealing with
that emotionally. Then watching Bengals players who matter playing games
(19:12):
that don't count, well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
You're certainly trotting out Cody Ford and Lucas Patrick and
not Dylan Fairchild in that preseason game.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
When you're out there.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
That's the other thing is like, what are you dealing
with if there's a couple of dings. If Ted Carris
and a Marius Mims have a couple of dings and
they're not a part of it, are you even like,
are you even bothering? There's many ways and he you knows,
Zach Taylor kind of can he keeps leaving it out
in those as you should? Sure, Like, look if things
change in precs, if we're out there and like too
many guys are hurt, we're not going to do it.
(19:42):
And I think it's if you don't have pretty much
all of your starting five offensive linemen, there's there's no
reason to do anything other than go out there and
hand off. If that's what this is about. But I
don't think that is what this is about. I think
they want to go out there and run real offense.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah. I mean, Joe was healthy for Game one last year,
but didn't look right right, didn't look them U. I
want I want to one Joe Burrow who looks like
he's within the flow of what they're trying to do.
So if he's got to play in those games, fine,
I'm all in. Boy, that's going to be nerve wracking man. Yeah,
and I think there's a thought that he needs to
play more. Yeah it than a little uh say, I
(20:17):
I don't and like play for real, like take he
to say, take a hit and roll out and throw
and run the offense and throw deep and look like
you're going to be as to look in September.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
That comes with it such a bad risk comes to
the bad risk. But you know what, but you're trying
to set yourself up to have.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
A fast start, right, you have to you have to
all right, I am late. When we come back, I
need you to explain what they're doing or not doing
with Shamar Stewart. Okay, try your best. I would Paul
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Speaker 4 (22:53):
Right, Not really? It was pretty Uh, it was pretty tame.
I think, all things considered, what it could have been.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Our stewart is around, but he's not going through practice.
Can you explain to me why this is the case.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
There is a dispute over language in the contract essentially,
or allocation of whatever small percentage of money guarantees, all
that stuff in the in the contract which is pre set.
But they are like you can have haggle points. I mean,
not everybody is signed. There's a lot of first runners
(23:28):
that aren't signed, and so Schamar is not gonna participate
until the deal is done.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
The deal is not done.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
There's he's not no waiver to be sometimes just a
waiver you can sign. Everything's good here in case there's
anybody gets he gets hurt.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
There's no waiver here.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
There's no signed waiver, and so he's watching it.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Here's it.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Here's if you I can paint a picture for you
of what happened today. Jerry Montgomery has the new defensive line, yes,
thank you, has all his linemen in front of him
and they are practicing, you know whatever the new verbages.
So everybody knows to get into whatever position and do
(24:11):
these these rushes. There's no offensive lineman or anything. It's
just guys lining up. And he just says, uh, stu,
since since you're here, comes stand next to me, and
you're the running back. So there he is, he's the
running back. And so they go on. They all the
guys are doing their past rush moves and they end
up right next to Shamar Stewart right and it's like, oh,
(24:32):
there's there. He is as a running back. That's what
he's doing right now. He's there. Or if they're doing
moves around one of the you know, one of the dummies,
the tackling dummies, he stands next to it, right, and
so then they go and do like moves around him
so he to have a good view, get in themental reps.
But like it's like it just all feels so silly.
(24:55):
It all feels so silly. It's like how, how how
is this happening? Like I, for one, and I said this,
I've said this at every turn and last week with
you as well. I I think it's minimum makes minimal
difference that he's not actually out there showing the work.
Like there's something to being out there. I'm not saying none,
(25:16):
but this is not hard charge in practice, okay, And
he's in all the meetings. He's literally standing next to
the dummies. Uh, he's he's out there. You know, he
sees and you hear what's going on. The the installation
of understanding where you need to go, what you need
to do is there. I I don't think that there
is some massive loss in like the time on the
(25:39):
field doing the said moves for that hour that they're
out there that's actually happening.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
It's just silly.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yes, it's just silly that that that you can't something
that is a lay up can't just be finished. Here
this is there's no reason to be messing around with this,
there's other than some dumb stand Like I I just
I don't understand why everybody can't just be like, hey,
this is domb right, Well, I admit this is stupid.
(26:06):
Can we just like fix it right now? Let's just
go fix.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Something like you'll hear, well it's just language, it's not
that big of a deal. Well, if it's just language
and not that big of a deal, fix it, fix it.
I don't have an answer for you on that one,
other than why does it always have to be like this?
There's nothing else to do, there's no I mean, if
they're not going to negotiate more with Trey Hendrickson, why
not at least say hey, let's just let's just check
(26:31):
this box and get this done and clear up whatever
the dispute is. And why can't I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
What I don't understand is it's not like I mean,
they picked it almost the exact same spot last year.
Just copy and paste the men's contract, Like do just
just end this? The guy is able has signed, who's
right there next to him, Like, just end it, sign this,
And it's a silly charade. But it's what it is
right now.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Jermaine Pratt is still a Cincinnati Bengue, don't.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I don't know, I mean I I do.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I think it's just one of these things where they're like, look,
whatever they're trying to do, is it is there? Are
they holding off for somebody who maybe showed interest in
the trade. There's something that there's some reason to hold
off on other than to just I cannot imagine how
Jermaine Pratt must be ready to like just jump off
(27:23):
his roof at this point, to be like, let me go,
let me go get a team.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
No, I there's some whole there's no threat of Jermaine
Pratt being back, but there is clearly some type of
a well maybe if we hold on long enough, they'll
give us something in a trade or whatever is going
on there.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, good luck with that. Good luck with that. I
you know, how long would it have to go before
they would go? Okay, Jermaine see it already. I'm with
you there. But if it's like, well, you know, who knows,
maybe somebody loses a linebacker, Well they're gonna wait till
training camp to move the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Right at this point, I don't know that how you
can say anything the definitive in this area.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I I the draft was, I.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Mean it's almost been a month, yeah, right, So I
don't you know, I would have thought that it would
have been waiting for a release on seven am on
the Monday after the draft.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I thought it was gonna be like Andy Dalton.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
And that's the under Yeah, And that's the understanding that
I think that that I thought that everybody had. But
there's something else that is like.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
The semantics argument where they go, well, you requested a trade,
not a release. So no, I think there's just some
sort of whatever maneuvering.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I don't know, somebody's thinking that they're doing something real
smart somewhere. I think it's just time to end it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I got the notification on my phone yesterday as a
season ticket hole that I can vote for the twenty
twenty five Bengals Ring of Honor class to vote for two.
It's all holdovers, and not to say that those holdovers
don't deserve to be in. You and I are an
agreement about this. We found about this for years. How
(29:16):
Dave Lapham wasn't put in last year I ridiculous. Frankly
An embarrassment, but whatever, so he's back, as are a
whole bunch of men who have been on the ballot before.
Is there any idea as to when they will add
newer figures to the ballot or are they just going
to wait for all those players to inevitably get in
before we see more modern players, you know, or maybe
(29:37):
a former coach.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I think yes, I know there's a lot of talk
about that, Sam y e Sports Greg. I think there's
a recognition of the fact that, you know, this shouldn't
go on until you're down to saying, here's the two
guys left right, that there's gonna have to be a
point where something changed. I think there's a recognition of
that when that is, I don't I don't know exactly
(29:59):
when when that will be. It feels like it's getting close. Yeah,
it feels like it's time because you know, you get
into now an era of guys, you know, from ten
to fifteen years ago where it's relevant like and I
would say this, so much of why they did this
was bringing the recognition to players in not just for
(30:23):
having their name up there or like in the case
of Ken Riley, really prompted of let's honor these guys
before they pass away, but also to help pump up
guys that can maybe help fix their issue of not
getting guys in the Hall of Fame, of not feeling
like feeling a little, you know, screwed over by Canton here.
(30:45):
And when you have guys that are going to be
on the fringe, Geno Atkins is the first one that
comes to mind. You know, I think he's got a
good chance, but he's not a shoe in it.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Hall of Fame voting hasn't been kind of defensive tackles.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
It hasn't and and he's not in a Hall of Fame,
has been kind to, very outspoken in the media after
you after you all are done playing like there's not
a lot of guys who just let their play speak
for themselves and play a more anonymous position that get honored. Now.
Gino has some things going for him. He's got a
(31:21):
lot of sacks. He's who was on the All Decade
team and and all that.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
One of the most famous people to call in when
we played the famous game.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
The the most insane thing that's ever happened in the
history of your show is that we tried maybe every
day for his entire career to get him to talk.
And then you were just trying to give free tickets away.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It was set away home run derby tickets and.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
It was who's the most famous person you could get
to call it? And it was Geno Atkins.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I don't think I think the person who Gino called
in on behalf of did win. But Gino Atkins called
in unbelievable. Yes, unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Uh, but that's that's like, it's just that's the type
of thing that you would want to give as somebody
like Geno Eckotts from that era.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
And there will be others.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
You know, we could talk about aj Green in this
respect when he comes into the conversation another he'll be
a fringe guy for sure. Sure, And so these you'd
need to open it up at some point if you
want to accomplish one of the things that you started
this to accomplish. These are gonna be the next guys
that are gonna be up for the Hall of Fame.
I think you have to consider that pretty soon. And
(32:30):
it just gets weird when it's like, Okay, we're just
all just counting down until all these guys are in.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I meanly just put them in. So there's nine people
left on the ballot. They were all on the ballot
in twenty twenty one, which tells me they're waiting for
all these guys to go in. If we do two
a year every year for the next four well then
the one guy is gonna be in twenty twenty nine
on the outside looking in. I'm you gonna you're gonna
make You're gonna make Bob Trump. You wait until he's
(32:55):
eighty five years old. I mean, legitimately gonna make Lamar Parrish,
I'm sure is in his seventies, are going to make
him wait five more Like, I have no idea who's
going to be voted in, but you can tell Jim
Breach twenty twenty nine is going to be your year. Man, Like, yeah,
just put all these guys in.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Put them in. You want to do it. You're saying there,
it's eventually gonna happen. And then once you do that,
then you can turn the process into whatever you want
it to be. You want it to be one every
year every two years, you want to be a little
bit more selective at that point, then that's fine. But
I think we're all under the emission that man how
would you feel if you're on this listen, you don't
(33:31):
get it right, like they're.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
All getting in.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
So just those do it and then get in and
then fix your process to be whatever you want it
to be going forward. And I you know, I don't
think that that's in the offing immediately, but it certainly
has to start to be part of the commersation.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Again, Bob Trumpy, I know this. He just turned eighty
years old. Yeah, so you know what you don't want
is another scenario where the person's not there. Yeah, and
so I if you're acknowledging all nine of these guys
are going to get in. I see, No, it's it's
your ring of honor. You can bend the rules, change
the rules however you want. Yeah, what do you feel?
(34:08):
How do you feel about flag football in the Olympics
with NFL players?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I heard you guys talking about this with Tony and
Austin earlier, and it was I think the question was
bagged of who is the player from the Bengals that
you would want?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Jake Browning? All right, yeah, Jake can sling it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Let Jake would love some notoriety show that he can
sling it.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Gold medal winning flag football quarterback Jake Browning, not Joe Burrow. Fine,
we just went. You know, I appreciate Joe, like, you know,
the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Sure again around all I appreciate it and like wanting
to grow the game and all this stuff. I appreciate that.
I don't know, man, Yeah, yeah. So it's one of
those they're gonna be a problem winning.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Okay. So there's things about this. Number One, it's it's
like the US Olympic men's basketball team from two different standpoints. One,
if you're gonna be allowed to play, I can't get
mad if you choose to play. It's like when players
get voted into the Pro Bowl. I prefer you didn't,
and then the Pro Bowl has changed. I prefer you didn't,
But if you're allowed, I can't get mad if you do. Right. Also,
(35:15):
this is the ultimate no win. It's like US Olympic
men's basketball. If you win, nobody cares. If you lose
National emergency. So to me, if you're Joe Burrow or
anybody else and you go, okay, we're gonna go to
the Olympics and win flag football's gold medal, no one
will care. But if you lose even just a game
(35:36):
and pool play international incident.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, being no win, Yeah I disagree. Be an Olympians
seems really cool.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Be an Olympians seems really cool until the sport that
you're supposed to win you don't win, but they're not
gonna lose.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
And getting to just be part of the Olympic festivities.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
In Los Angeles. So right, it's like you to go
somewhere cool. I've done La hard pass on that one.
So if I'm Joe Borrow, I get to go back
to La win a flag football gold medal in the
same city where I lost to Super Bowl and get
no credit for it. Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I just think being being a part of the ceremonies,
I mean, he maybe only shows up for the ceremonies
and like whatever, maybe maybe plays in just the gold
medal game, you know, it just shows up and slings
it a little in the gold Who are.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
These players on the teams that would be competing for
other countries. Who's on Sweden's flag football team?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I'm interested, right, I'm interested in knowing is anybody has
anybody spotted Morritz bow Ringer?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Is he still around? Can Mobo go play for Germany?
How many countries will field flag football teams? Do we
have tryouts? Is there a trial camp? The US men's
basketball they have a trial camp and then you go
and you'd volunteer your time and services and you get
cut and then we get to make fun of you
for being cut, Like screw that man, no win situation.
It's like the Super Bowl halftime show. Why bother?
Speaker 4 (36:59):
You're just gonna get crucified play one bad note? Does
Chase Brown go play for Canada? Do we get that?
Do we get some some Canadian rivalry here? Potential? I'm
just saying. I mean there's they got.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
A whole country as CFL players, they do, so there'd
be a competition there.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Yeah, I mean a lot of the CFL players are
also from around here.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
But only so many per team. There's specific rules. Yes,
should they ban the toush push? This is gonna happen
this week? This is this is this is one of
the stories this week. I would not no, I would
leave it, stop it. I would to stop it or
do it yourself and no one else.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
The fact, it's the fact that only the Eagles are
truly unstoppable at it says no, like I'm not now
I'm here for to hear have more conversation about the like,
can we stop it with the constantly pushing the ball
carrier with the scrums that happened everywhere on the field,
not just in the toush push like. I do think
that's gotten a little out of control because it's something
(37:58):
that they need to just be, you know, actually officiating.
But I don't know it'd be one thing if everyone
gets to third and one and just gets it every time.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
That's not the case.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Teams are getting stopped at this all the time except Philadelphia,
so I for that case, I I would say.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
When this first came up, I was surprised to read
that the success rate isn't what the perception is that
it is.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
No, I mean, there's there's there's certainly plenty of teams
out there that are not very good at it. We've
watched the Bengals not Beird're not very good, of course
they're not. They haven't been good at a lot of
short yardage things.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Right. They don't let their quarterback or their quarterback doesn't
want to do sneaks, so you know, the touch push
has got to be on the books for them, and
they don't they're not good at that either. Yeah, and
just throw it all right, we covered it all. What's
left nothing? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah, I mean we even we even went into deep
into the Olympics conversation, deeper than I than I got
to know about the Sweden flag football team.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
In four years. I guess three years when when we're handicapping, Look,
I'll do the research that you know, as somebody who
covers the NFL, like you might have to go cover.
I would love to Olympics. I would love her to.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I would actually love to stop covering the NFL just
to go cover the Olympics in la period. I love
the Olympics. Olympics are great and the stories are their
stories galore. I like the Summer Olympics more than the
Winter Olympics. Yes, but I love the fact that the
Winter Olympics have fewer sports and more sports that have ice,
and thus more potential for bad things to happen.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Can I ask you it's all about the crashes?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Can I ask you a question, and you've probably talked
about this, why basketball should be a Winter Olympics sport?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, but the season's going during the winter, so what
so it goes back a break? Well, I mean you can.
I guess the hockey does. Hockey takes a break, takes
a break. Yeah, sure, but I around the world when
our professional league's playing Like around the world here, basketball
is a winter sport is and I legitimately don't know
(40:02):
is basketball in winter or summer sport elsewhere? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I just feel like I would, but it would liven
up the Winter Games. What this is about me enjoying
my Winter Games experience.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I wonder how many NBA players, and given the fact
that the NBA is so global, I wonder how many
NBA players would not play if it was winter that
do play when it's summer.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Let me tell you who's not trying hard in January
and February NBA players. Okay, so maybe give them a
little bit of some juice to go actually play hard.
Uh at that time of year, take take a longer break.
They just shorten the season when in years of the Olympics,
NBA season doesn't start until after the Olympics. Fine, winter Olympics,
(40:43):
all right.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I'm in I'm down.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I'm not watching I mean in November, November in the NBA, Yeah,
I mean, well, the Olympics are not in November c No, No,
I'm saying I start even if you're starting later, like
those games that are played before that.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
My favorite or regular season was twelve thirteen started on
Christmases and they played sixty six games. Yes, and it
was great. Yes, terrific. That's the one. All right, Paul,
Thanks so much. Paul Danner jump pro. I'm covering the
if I now we're going to talk about next Tuesday
real quick. Yeah, because I'm going to Indy. Oh you're
going that's next Tuesday. Yes, okay with one of your
(41:19):
podcast buddies, Shallafu and Rapeen going to Indy. Wow. Looking
for a studio in Indy if not doing the show
for my house. They live on the West.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Side, and you're gonna get and take the run out there.
I feel like we could find you a hook up
in Indianapolis. So far, the poll that you have, I
have no pull the poll that you have. Nobody's willing
to hook you up with an Ethernet court. I haven't
cast the net out quite yet. All right, see what
I can do. Maybe I can help you.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Perhaps, very good? All right. Paul Danner Junior read his
coverage of the Bengals in the Athletic. Check out the
Growler podcast as well, and follow him on Twitter at
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