5/22/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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I hope we're having an unbelievable Thursday. It's the Thursday
before Memorial Day weekend. Memorial Day weekend is supposed to
be the kickoff of summer, and it doesn't exactly feel
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FCU dot org. We have a college baseball happening right now.
Big twelve Tournament. Cincinnati is taking on top seeded West Virginia.
The Mountaineers have the base loaded in the bottom of
the fourth inning. UC and WVU are tied at one.
I just read a bracketology thing, a bracketologist from Baseball

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America who has the Bearcats in as a two in
the NCAA tournament. That feels pretty safe. They can certainly
bolster their chances by winning today. If you're headed to
Prasco Park tonight, Big East Tournament happening there as always
Xavier and top seeded Creighton this evening, that game has
been pushed back an hour because of rain. Same Baseball

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America bracketologist has the Musketeers in as a three seed
following their dramatic Big Eiast Tournament win last night over Yukon.
We'll update you on the UC game all afternoon. Maybe
talk some college baseball today. A lot of folks on
Twitter with an appetite to talk college baseball.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
I'm here for it.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I'm pretty much here to talk about anything related to
any Cincinnati team, any Cincinnati organization, you name it, I
got it.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
We could do it.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty and eight
six six seven oh two three seven seven six. You know,
I'm often told, Moe, don't talk NBA. No, you love
the NBA, No, you love the Knicks. But you know
your audience doesn't care. So you know, I think we
should follow those rules today, right, Nobody wants to hear
me talk about last night's NBA game. Nobody wants to

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hear that. I'm I'm told that all the time. Oh,
you're wasting your breath. Stop, don't do it. Don't formulate
topics around a sport that are around here. People don't
pay that close attention to Nobody besides you cares about
the New York Knicks. So don't don't waste your breath.

Speaker 7 (02:38):
Mo.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Should we stick to that today? I don't care who
you are, who you root for, which sports are your favorite,
which teams are your favorite?

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
At some point, at some point, you have experienced those
absolute gut punch losses, the ones that stick with you forever,
the ones that make you lose sleep, the ones that
seemingly incapacitate you, the ones that linger to the next
day and maybe the day after that, the ones that

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are just a little bit more difficult to get over.
If you're a sports fan, you have experienced those types
of losses. And let's be honest, around here, unfortunately, we
have experienced a lot of those types of losses. Huge
blown leads, improbable comebacks by the other team, those sorts
of things. We have seen our fair share of those.

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I got one of those last night. You know we
have we have very few social rules that we live
by anymore, like just sort of social rules that we
could all agree on. We live in very coarse times, right,
We live in very very course times. In my lifetime,

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I can't recall a time where we have had less
respect for other people's opinions, less respect for other people's perspectives,
less respect for other people's privacy. It feels to me
like we have fewer and fewer just basic societal rules
that we could all agree on that we all live by.

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Except I think there's one that those of us as
sports fans know we have to live by.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
And I'm not a.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Big believer in there being rules for sports fans. Like
to me, the rules are have fun, stay off the
field or the court. Other than that, there are no rules.
The beauty of being a sports fan is you could
be as hardcore or as casual as you want. You
can do it however you want. If you want to
wear a jersey to a game, we're a jersey. If
you want to bring a glove to a game, bring

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a glove. Just don't knock a little kid out of
the way trying to catch a ball. To each their
own want to do the wave? Do the wave? What
to be stats obsessed? Want to crunch tape, want to
know all the granular details of a sport or why
your team is good or not good?

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Do it?

Speaker 4 (05:12):
And just want to check in and watch the games
and not know that much else. Well that's fine too.
I don't believe in there being a lot of rules
for being a sports fan, but I'm glad we have
this one. And this one, to me is a part
of our larger social construct because last night and today
I needed it, and I thought it was going to
be tested. I thought it was going to be tested

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last night, and it wasn't. Because if you're a sports fan,
I think, and I'm grateful for this, we could all
agree on this one thing. When someone you know roots
for a team and their team in a big game
suffers a devastating loss, you leave them alone, unless you

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actually root for the same team. I believe, in sports
and maybe in society, this is the only remaining rule
we have. If someone you know has a team playing
in a big game, a big moment, and they suffer
a gut punch of a loss, an almost improbable loss,

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you leave them alone. Now it's different if you're gonna commisserate. So,
like Tony and I were talking before his show ended,
in my show started. The most heartbroken I have ever
been as an adult after a team that I root
for lost was that twenty eighteen you see Nevada game,

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and that was at the end of an awesome weekend
in Nashville. Xavier played the next game against Florida State.
The Musketeers also lost as a one seed you see
lost as a two seed. That is, as an adult,
the biggest gut punch as a sports fan that I
can recall, and far worse than last night, because that

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game against Nevada ended the season, ended the season. It
was the culmination of a year that I thought they
had a legitimate chance, the Bearcats to go to the
Final Four, and the way the bracket kind of play
it out, they really did that night in Nevada.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
They had a.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Twenty two point lead, just a little bit more than
ten minutes to go, and they lost and lost in regulation,
and it just it felt like the end. It felt
like that was their best chance for a while, and
frankly it has been now.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
In the immediate aftermath of that game, I.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Heard from a lot of people who were also Bearcat fans,
because there was commiseration going on. Who I didn't hear
from were fans of other teams or people who really
aren't huge college basketball fans but wanted to chime in.
Because there's this one rule we all agree on. If
someone you know is rooting for a team and their
team suffers a devastating loss, you stay away, you hang back,

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put the phone away, you text somebody else. And there
have been others. I remember I lived downtown at the
time when the Reds lost to the Giants in twenty twelve,
which we could all sort of see coming right as
the series went on. They lose Game three, and I
remember walking out of the ballpark and my buddy Rich
Walberg said to me, He's like, you know, we're gonna

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lose this series, right, And I'm like, nah, man, and
he where you know how this works? And then after
Game four it was kind of like, yeah, I think.
I'm with you, man, I think. And then after Game five,
I remember I had to do an hour of radio here,
and so I left the ballpark, hustled up here, did
an hour, went back downtown, met the people that I

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was with for the game, nobody wanted to be there,
and so then I just went home, and I remember
walking back to my apartment and just seeing everybody's sadness
and getting texts and looking at my text and they
were all from fellow Reds fans because we were commiserating
or any number of Bengals losses, the most devastating of

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which for me was that twenty fifteen game against the Steelers.
Fellow Bengals fans texted fellow Bengals fans, and I certainly
got a lot of that. Might have been anger, might
have been just despair, might have been looking for someone
to be a sounding board. In some cases, maybe looking
for an argument, but there was a level of shared
experience of commiseration in the absence of that. I think

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it's the one thing we all know, because it was
remarkable to me last night. I don't know a lot
of fellow Knicks fans. I know a couple, and I
heard from the two in Cincinnati that I talked to
on a regular basis right after that game, because that
was commiseration.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
But in these times.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Where we are testing all sorts of rules and we
have less respect for each other than ever before, I
was heartened by this one thing last night that after
watching my beloved New York Knicks suffer the most insane
collapse I've ever seen watching professional basketball, and after watching
the Indiana Pacers author one of the most remarkable comebacks

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I've ever seen watching professional basketball, I didn't hear from anybody,
and on a night where nothing made me feel good,
I could at least cling to that knowing that we
still are bound by this one rule. You don't bother
somebody if you're not a fan of their team when

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their team suffers a brutal loss. It is the single
most important rule as a sports fan. It is really
one of the only.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Rules I believe in as a sports fan. It's one of.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
The only rules I really believe in when it just
comes to societal norms or humanity. And so at the
very least as crushed as I was last night, and
I just outlined for Tony and Austin. You know, the
game ended, and I kind of sat there for a
few minutes, and I wasn't tired, and I, well, I'm

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gonna I'm gonna watch his Brett Favre documentary. And I
watched about ten fifteen minutes and then remembered I don't
really find Brett Farv interesting and don't care about him,
so that's not gonna do it.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
And then I thought, all right, maybe I'll just try.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
To go to bed, and I laid there and my
wife had been asleep for a while, and that didn't take.
So I just eventually went for a drive and kind
of just drove in silence.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
It was tough. It was tough, but at the.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Very least now this morning, as should be the case,
you get texts from people wanting to know, all right,
guy came to work today. A little bit after eleven o'clock.
Austin came in. It was like tiptoeing around me. Tarn
came in a little bit later. He was tiptoeing around me.
I like, there were folks you would have thought, like
something really bad happened. They were afraid to talk to me.

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They just wanted to gauge my mood. So fine, good
that didn't end their season. I don't think they're gonna
win the series. My guess was they weren't going to beforehand.
Now I'm all but convinced. In fact, I'm kind of
expecting Indiana to sweep them, and we could talk about
it if you want, and there was like some nuts

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and bolts of the game we could discuss. What the
Pacers did last night was beyond remarkable. And I know
the Pacers are the NBA's closest team to Cincinnati, and
so there's pockets of Pacers fans, and god knows, I
hear from them. What Aaron Nestsmith did last night was insane.
On top of Tyrese Halliburton and the choke sign that

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he made after making what he thought was the game
winning shot, I thought was cool.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
I thought was funny.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
I thought it paid proper homage to a moment in
NBA history that lingers more than thirty years later, authored
by a guy who was calling the game in the
building where he authored that moment. The Indiana Pacers are awesome,
extraordinarily fun to watch. If I was a mutul fan,
I would be begging for them to play in the
NBA Finals because the style they play is terrific. But

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the Knicks did so many boneheaded things that they were
more complicit in their own demise. But at the very
least I could just replay all those things in my
head and uh not have to hear from others because
the one rule sports fans live by benefited.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Me last night.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
If someone you know roots for a team and their
team loses a gut punch of a game, you stand back.
So thank you to everybody in my life for standing back.
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R phone numbers and eight sixty six seven oh two
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still batting Mountaineers now up four to one over you see,
the Mountaineers are the top seeded team in the Big Tournament.
They're playing at Globe Life Field in Arlington, which is
where the Texas Rangers play for to one. Winner of
this game will take on Arizona. Bearcats have some work

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to do, got to get out of the fourth inning.
West Virginia still batting with runners on first and third
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Speaker 4 (15:33):
Last night, because imagine, even if you didn't watch the game,
you know what happened.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
We don't have to talk about Aaron Nei Smith.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
We don't have to talk about, you know, the specifics
of New York blowing their challenge early, for Carlisle winning
too late, the Knick's not making free throws, playing lazy
defense on the perimeter, letting Aaron Smith get off grade shots.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
We don't have to do any of that, right, we know,
we know what happened.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Twenty six minutes after three, The news isn't great from Arlington.
West Virginia is still batting. They still have the bases loaded.
They are now up five to one in the bottom
of the fourth inning. WVU the number one seed in
the Big Twelve tournament. And again, if you're headed to
Prasco Park, they have slid everything back in hours. Xavier

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is playing tonight against Creighton. If the Musketeers win, they
advance to the championship game. If they lose, that's double elimination,
So they would play in the elimination game tomorrow. But
if you're going tonight, first pitch was supposed to be
at six thirty. They will now play at seven thirty.
We've got some stuff to get to a little bit
later on. Reds and Cubs start. What is for the

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Reds a big series? I mean, you're five and a
half back. You play the Cubs six times in a
nine day stretch. You want to make a move in
the division.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Beat the team.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
You got to chase down head to head Hunter Green
against the ball tomorrow, and we've got some Bengal stuff
to get to a little bit later on as well.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
We have folks waiting.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
On hold and a mouse that works. Jeff, you're on
ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon, Jeff, what's up?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Happy Thursday?

Speaker 8 (17:13):
Moe.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
You said commiserating was okay?

Speaker 5 (17:15):
Right, commiserating is more than welcome, okay.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
So January of two thousand and one, Coldfield House, Maryland
has a twelve point lead against Duke with fifty eight
seconds left. Lose the game, and lose the game in overtime.
Right Nate James unfortunately turns to the student section does
a crotch grab. At the end of the game, Carlos

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Boozer's mom is sitting right next to him, gets hitting
ahead with a full bottle of water. Good, there's a
thirty for thirty about that game.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Actually, okay, haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Fast forward Fast Forward March of two thousand and one
National semifinal game in Minneapolis. Twenty two point lead with
eight minutes left in the first.

Speaker 6 (18:01):
Half, lose the game.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
So I'm stuck in Minneapolis with a three day hotel minimum.
I pawn off. I wasn't gonna watch the game Monday
night in person, that's for sure. So I pawned off
my Monday night tickets to some loser from Duke. And Saturday,
I'm like, what am I gonna do? So I drive
up to Duluth, Minnesota, of all the god forsaken places

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in the world, and spend a day driving around Duluth,
Minnesota for some reason. And Monday night I went to
the Indian Casino to make sure that they had no TVs,
and I just gambled while the game.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Was That's what I should have done last night.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
I should have gone in the middle of the night
to the hard Rock casino and blown off some steam
by playing blackjack or something.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I can definitely relate to you, and I agree with
you one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Nobody who's not a.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Knicks fan can say a word to you today, but
those of us who do have some similar stories. I
think we feel free to chime in and make you
feel a little bit better.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, look, I say lay it on now, Jeff, thanks
very much. It's not that you can't give somebody a
hard time, but you know you do, you kind of have.
There's got to be like a cooling off period. Like
trust me, if I was a Pacers fan and I
knew a Knicks fan, I wouldn't have done it last night.
I might not have even done it today, but like

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after the series. Sure, that's part of the fun. But
I think as sports fans, we all know that there's
if unless you're commiserating. Like I I know we're friends.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
A Steelers fan.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
And you know they were at that Bengal Steelers game
in twenty January of twenty sixteen, and well after the
fact we talked about it and she still brings it
up to me, and that's okay, that's part of the fun.
But there was no communication in the hours immediately afterward,
no communication the next morning. So yeah, like I'm all

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for I mocked the Knicks, go ahead and mock them now, man,
But like you what you don't do? And I think
this is like in a world where we can't agree
on anything. I think the one thing we can't agree
on is that if you know, and like we've all
done it.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Man.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Like one of my best friends is a huge Milwaukee
Brewers fan, and they lost Game seven against the Dodgers
in twenty eighteen, and I remember before the game texting
him going like, hey, man, rooting for you, good luck.
And that game wasn't necessarily close, as I recall, but
it's like after the game, you just give them, give
them some space, give them, you know, and then the

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next day maybe like you, good, it was rooting for you.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
It didn't work out, that sort of thing. And I
got a lot of that this morning.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
And even from one of the few Indiana Pacers fans
I know sent me a message on instant it's a
picture of Tyrese Haliburton this morning.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
Fine.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Wasn't exactly what I wanted to see, but fine. But
I think we all anybody who has ever rooted for
a team understands understands what those moments are like when
your team has just suffered a gut punch, suffered a
loss in a really big game, and you leave them alone,
like you don't even ask how they are immediately, and

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what you certainly don't do is attempt to offer any
sort of analysis or solace, you know, I mean like
that that that actually might be the worst. You know,
like if I would have heard last night from anybody,
you know what, They're probably still gonna win the series,
like you don't want to hear that.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
They might again, I don't think they will.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
But in this day and age where the social construct
has almost completely fallen apart, I was heartened by the
fact that everybody I know, and I know some people
who could be heartless, still adhere to this one basic
role of being a sportsman twenty eight away from four o'clock,
and we can sort of laugh about it now five one, three, seven,

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four nine. And the thing is, like last night, I
came to work today and folks were like, and I'll
admit to you, I care about the Knicks, right, I'm
a Knicks fan. But like, if we're doing like pecking order,
they're below all the teams here, Like they're they're below
the Bearcats, the Bearcats, the Rads, the Bengals, I mean,
they're they're they're below, they're they're not as high in

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the pecking order.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
And that game didn't end the season.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
But the thing is like that loss as improbable as
it was, as historic as it was, and the comeback
as incredible as it was to watch unfold and again,
man the Pacers. What happened last night was as much
about the Indiana Pacers as it was the New York Knicks.
Probably not even in the top ten for me, And
like moments that I've just just laid there at night.

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We've had so many of them as Cincinnati sports fans.
I don't know, maybe one dyll rank them. We are
late phone calls, welcome five one, three, seven, four nine,
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Dela Cruz fan. I think if you're a Reds fan,
you're a huge Elli Dela Cruz fan. But like, I

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don't know when's Ellidela Cruz going to turn into a
superstar Elie Dela Cruz.

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It's a fair question. We'll discuss it coming up on
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You know.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
We were talking yesterday about about the Reds and their
loss to the Pirates, and as uplifting and as fun
as the five game winning streak was, maybe it all
wasn't undid, but I think a lot of the good
vibes were undone by what happened in Pittsburgh, and it
was the fact that the offense reverted back to being
almost non existent. For me, it was not using the

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reigning National League Player of the Week. Uh, they gave
away outs on the bass pass yesterday. I didn't have
a major issue with Will Benson trying to steal, though,
when you've just been hit on the foot, maybe that's
not what you want to do. And Spencer Steer getting
thrown out at third base I thought crossed the line
from aggressive to stupidity. But more than any it was
just losing two games to a really bad Pirates team.
When you win the first game of the series, it

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would really be nice if for the first time in
like twenty two tries, they won a rubber game, or
at the very least could win one of the next two. Instead,
another series lost to a bad team, which has happened
already this year in series against Miami and the Chicago
White Sox. They can't keep doing that, and so kind
of frustrating. And we were talking, and we have had

(28:26):
the last couple of days a lot of folks maybe
a higher call volume than usual, maybe because we haven't
had a lot of guests the last couple of days,
but some folks lamenting the state of the batting order,
the state of the roster. Nobody's really having an all
star caliber season, And like, let's be honest, we all
love Ellie Dela Cruz, and we all want the best

(28:47):
and the most from Ellie Dela Cruz. And I think
we all believe the talent evaluators who have looked at
him and said that guy could be one of the
best in the sport. And maybe you're like me and
still believe that that can happen. But this year's team
is largely based on that leap happening this year, and
this year's team is also largely based on Matt McClain

(29:10):
being one of the very best players on the team.
But on a team that is supposed to win, the
very best players on a team don't just have that
title because someone has to. Like, someone's got to be
the best player on the team. On a team that
is a legitimate contender, its best players are, for the

(29:31):
most part, playing at an all star caliber level. You
might not light the comparison, and certainly there are differences
between the two franchises in relation to the economic advantages
that one has versus the other. The LA Dodgers' best
players are all stars. The Chicago Cubs best players are

(29:51):
all stars. Cincinnati Red's best players right now don't look
like all stars, And so I put a lot on
the I put a lot on those two because I think.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
The franchise has.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Like all off season, as we discussed what the Reds did,
They've made some good moves. Brady Singer has been okay,
Jose Travino has been a savior. Austin Hayes, when he's
been healthy, has been very good. Gavin Lux has been fine.
But a lot of us looked at the team and said, man,
you know what kind of an incomplete roster, and the

(30:25):
counter to that was, yeah, but a big addition from
last year is going to be Matt McClain. Thus far
this season, Matt McLain has barely helped. And a big
addition to this year's team is going to be Ellie
Dela Cruz making the leap. They've played fifty one games.
He hasn't done that yet. And I think you're being

(30:46):
fair if number one you wonder this season isn't more
a matter of if than when, and with those two
players in particular, and I think more so Ellie than
Matt McClain, because Ellie Dela Cruz is number aren't glaringly
bad Matt McLean's are. Can this team win if the
two guys who are supposed to be your best players?

(31:09):
And by the way, I would also fold Tyler Stevenson
into that. Tyler Stevenson, you know we did this before
the season. I thought, based on how he played last year,
had a decent chance to be an All Star this season.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
The injury sort of torpedo that.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
But let's face it, Tyler Stevenson is most definitely not
performing at an All Star caliber level.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Like I sort of think.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
That's the quote Big Three, not that you don't need
more production from guys like Spencer Steer and Jake Frayley,
and before he got hurt, jam Or Candelario who wasn't
doing anything in others.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
But I don't know, man. I think if we.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Jotted down a list before the season and said, who
are the Reds position players, position players, not Hunter Green,
et cetera. Position players, who are the guys most likely
to be considered among the very very very very best
at their position, basically all stars in no particular order,
we would have said, Ellie McLain and Stevenson. That hasn't happened.

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In the absence of that happening, how does this team
get better? How does this team improve? How does an
offense that frankly metrically, it's not as bad as you
might think, because they have had those games, like when
they scored twenty four against the Baltimore Orioles.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
But you've watched them.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
We've documented how many times they have been shut out,
or how many times they've been held to one run,
or how many times they've been held to four or
fewer hits.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
It's a bunch. It's way more than it should be.
How does that change.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
If Ellie doesn't make the leap, if Matt McLain doesn't
look like the player he was two years ago, and
if Tyler Stevenson is still playing like a backup catcher,
we can put all the pressure in the world on
Nick Crawl. We could talk about the trade deadline. We
can go back and forth about what the Reds did
and didn't do. We could gus Terry Francona's individual moves.

(33:03):
We can wonder why Will Benson didn't start the last
two games. We can wonder when he turns into a pumpkin,
what's gonna happen. We can wonder if he doesn't turn
into a pumpkin, how much better could the outfield situation be.
But like those, to me were the Big three, and
that's no knock on anybody else I know. Spencer Steer
has piled up a decent amount of big league experience.

(33:25):
Matt mcclaan, Ellie Dela Cruz, Tyler Stevenson, players who I
think most of us would have agreed before the season
started needed to be among the very best at their
respective positions.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Ellie Dela Cruz is certainly.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Still capable of authoring some awesome moments, moments that just
make you go holy crap, and make you go, you
know what, maybe he's about to take off. He hasn't
taken off yet. By the way, I've heard a lot
of people talk about, you know, well, they think it's
a matter of when and not if with any one
of those guys, and I think a little bit more
so McLean and Ellie and maybe But if we're sitting

(34:03):
here a month from now, June twenty second, which, by
the way, the schedule over the next month gets really hard,
and we're still waiting for the Ellie leap or the
Matt McLain leap, or for the Tyler Stevenson surge to happen,
You're gonna have a hard time convincing me that we

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will be talking about a Reds team that is making
a move in the standings. At some point, your best
players have to play like the team's best players, and
if the team is contending, your best players have to
play like some of the best players in the sport.
And neither one of those three guys are doing that

(34:44):
right now. Matt McLain, frankly to me, seems closer to
demotion than getting his old job back in the two hole.
Tyler Stevenson right now doesn't look like their best option
at catcher. Jose Travino does not hitting enough to be
a DH. The h part in DH's hitter, Tyler Stevenson

(35:06):
hasn't been doing much hitting. So how does it happen?
How does it happen if neither of those guys, much
less all of them get it going.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
I don't think they do. And I know we love
to put more pressure on owners and gms and managers
than we do players because we buy player jerseys. We
were vere players. We have disdain for the suits in
the front office, and we love second guessing the manager.
But like for this team, that's how they built it,

(35:41):
and there were flaws in doing that. You could certainly
argue that. But even if they did more of this
past offseason hopes for the Cincinnati Reds, I think we're
centered around players like Stevenson, McClain, and Dela Cruz. So far,
neither have lived up to them. Ellie's been better than

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the other two, but still five point three, seven, four, nine,
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Speaker 5 (37:03):
Good luck.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
By the way, I know Cincinnati and West Virginia. If
you're watching this game, this is on ESPN Plus. It's
five three Mountaineers bottom six. They're playing at the Rangers Ballpark.
Why this looks like a game during COVID.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Done it?

Speaker 6 (37:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
You ain't lie.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
I mean all they're missing are cardboard cutouts. I don't
know if they're suddenly going to get a lot of
people for the final. I don't know if suddenly they
get a lot of people for schools that are located
closer to Arlington, Texas.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
But this looks like a game played during COVID. Why
aren't there more fans behind the plate? It's a good question. Empty.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I was watching yesterday with the sound on a little bit,
like you could hear the chatter on the field, like
when outfielders were calling off infielders. I mean you could
you could hear them articulating what they were saying. You
could hear the dugout chatter when good contact was made
with an aluminum bat, like it echoed for like a
few seconds. Why are they playing this at a major

(38:08):
league stadium seven away from four o'clock? These are the
questions I ask. We have questions about Trey Hendrickson. By
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What's Up, West Virginia.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Just try to sack bun with guys on first and
second and nobody out. The guy popped it up. Now,
i'mber up six to three. If you're going to you
go into a baseball game thinking we're gonna lay down
the sack bunt first and second with the leadoff guy
up two on, nobody out.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Up three makes some sense.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
And college baseball you'll find more coaches who like to
employ the sacrifice bun. But because I hate the sacrifice bun,
I want Karmen to be in play here, and I
want that to be a turning point in this game.
West Virginia's up six to three on UC and the
bottom of the sixth inning. We will keep you updated
on that. The Bearcat and Bearcats are in. Man, I

(39:51):
think Bearcats are in. It feels like Xavier. Feels like
Xavier could really use one more win tonight over Creighton
to really feel like they're in the NCAA tournament. But
it'd be cool to have them both in. We will
see XU at Prasco Park tonight in the biggiest tournament
against Creyton. Again, if you're thinking of going, the game
was supposed to start at six thirty. They've had to

(40:12):
move everything up an hour or.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Back an hour. When you make something later, are you
moving it up or back?

Speaker 4 (40:18):
I don't know the games later seven thirty tonight back,
all right, they're moving it back.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
Moving it up would be making it early. Correct. Okay,
last Friday.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
When the Reds move that game, they moved it up.
But if they were to make it later because of
the rain, they'd be moving it back right now now
we know Now we know Brandonmanton Jones on baseball is
coming up this hour as well. We even't talked much
about Trey Hendrickson today, but I do have a question
about the Bengals start to the season if Trey Hendrickson

(40:51):
isn't with the team. But first we should take some
phone calls because at the end of the day, it's
a call in show. Uh, let's see here, Dave. You're
on You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon, Dave.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I'm just fine.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
How are you?

Speaker 5 (41:09):
I'm uh, I'm doing well, Dave? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Trey hendrick Jon will sign?

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (41:16):
Two years ago, I was doodling on paper and thought
the Reds were going to win the World Series last
year and that the Bengals are going to win the
Super Bowl after that.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Wow, was wrong?

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Well, David, we've both been wrong about lots of things
in our lives and that would be in the wrong
column for you.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
So anyhow, they're going to do it. They're both going
to do it this year.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
You think both. You think the Reds are going to
win the World Series this year?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yes, sir, assured to you could put you could put
money on it.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
What do you think, Well, first of all, let's start
with the Reds outline for me. Why you think this team,
which currently sits a game under five hundred five and
a half games at a first place, certainly not insurmountable.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Why this team is going to win the World Series.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Because they get the pitching staff.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
They do have a very good pitching staff, and it's
more whole with Hunter Green back tomorrow. But they have
problems hitting. Do you think those problems will be rectified
from within? Or do you think they're gonna have to
go get a bat at the deadline?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
That remains to be seen about it. The deadline wouldn't hurt.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Now.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
The deadline is more than two months away. So do
you think the Reds could hold their own and at
least hang in there until the deadline when they go
and get that back.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I'm sure they can.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
I think they will.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
So you have the Reds not just getting to the
postseason but winning the World Series.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I do. So they've got any money, put some money
on it?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Well, The current odds I just looked this up are
plus ten thousand, so I don't have to wager much
to get a lot in return plus tend to win
the World Series. How much would you be willing to
wager at those odds that they'll win the whole thing?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I don't need to wager any money.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
All right, Very good? All right, I love the optimism.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Now, David, that means right around the time in late
October early November, when they are cleaning up from the
Reds World Series Championship parade, we will start focusing on
the second half of the Bengals season, which you obviously
believe will culminate with them in the postseason, and then
that will ultimately wind up with them winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Why do you think that'll happen?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Isn't it about time?

Speaker 4 (43:39):
In many respects, you could say that about both teams, David, Yes.

Speaker 9 (43:44):
Okay, I agree, but Cincinnati the red Tip to show
the Bengals talent's done.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
So you think the key for the Bengals, what the
missing piece is for their entire franchise history has been
that they haven't been shown the appropriate guide by the
local Major League baseball team. You could say that, okay,
all right, So right now for the Bengals to win
the Super Bowl, we're looking at sixteen to one, and

(44:10):
by the way, there's only six teams with shorter rodds
in them sixteen to one to win the whole thing,
So obviously you think that number one, they're going to
keep Joe Burrow upright with an improved offensive line, and
you believe that this year's defense will be better enough
compared to last year's to put this team in a
position to win the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I guarantee it.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Guarantee it.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Now what I don't know, And I'll see if I
can figure out a way to make this happen. If
we could put both outcomes in the same wager where
you know we parlay it, so to speak. Right, So
we put in the Reds at plus ten thousand and
the Bengals at sixteen to one, and we put that
in the same wager. I bet you if if we
do that and put a decent amount of money on

(44:56):
the line, and both outcomes happen. I don't know how
old you are, David, but I will be allowed to retire.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Okay, then I will too. I'm seventy too.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Are you retired?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I got yes, I got eleven grandchiln.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Wow, very good, very good.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Well for your sake and for my sake, and for
your grandchildren's sake, and for my daughter's sake. I hope
you are one hundred percent right, because all of us
deserve it.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Will you put the wager in for me? I'm not
a betting Man.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Well, yes, how much? How much do we want to
put down?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Whatever you put down, five dollars is fine with me.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
Five five dollars. It is done, five five dollars each.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
If both of these outcomes happen, we'll get together and
have a nice meal.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Okay, okay, and listen. Tell Bill Cumming him, Tell Bill come.
I let the message for Bill coming him this morning?

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Oh you did.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (45:54):
I've been trying to get a hold of him for
two years about something that happened two years ago.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
So tell him it's I'm handicapped.

Speaker 9 (46:03):
I walked with the kinge going through the building this
morning was a e I t.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yeah, thank you for spelling that out for us. What
message would you like me to pass on to Bill Cunningham?
Don't get along when I say this, just well, don't
don't don't use any profanity for me, Okay, David do
whatever whatever it is, all right, Please don't. We're trying
to make money here with our wagers. I can't afford

(46:30):
to pay an sec fine.

Speaker 9 (46:33):
Okay, I'll discuss that with my doctor tomorrow. I could
say it on the radio, I guess I will do.
You know, what have you ever heard of the vine intervention.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Divine intervention.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yes, it's when it's when God steps in and interferes
in something. I was hoping that there would be some
divine intervention on my behalf in New York last night.
What does divine intervention have to do with the message
you want me to give to Bill Cunningham.

Speaker 9 (46:58):
The Beverly Hills club fire from two years I was
on the radio and Bill was talking about me in
my car, and I ended up going to the hospital
that night. And I've been trying to tell my story
because I want to write a book about it.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
All Right, you kind of lost me for a second here,
So you want me to pass along to Willie the
note that you want to write a book about the
Beverly Hills Supper Club fire in nineteen seventy seven.

Speaker 9 (47:30):
Yeah, it's divine intervention. I don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
I was.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
I was at my dad's campground in Beverly Hills, burnt
to the ground. I was supposed to be there, right,
So I took my niece up to Beverly Hills and
was riding around with her, and Bill Cunningham was talking
to a gentleman about divine intervention.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
And he was talking to me that night.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
I I think I I think I understand.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
All right, I will uh, I'll they they Willy doesn't
let us talk to him directly, so I'll see if
I could work through his intermediaries, uh to pass along
this message. Uh what do I tell him? Like to
get a hold of you? I can't ask for your
phone number on the air, but is there is there
a way for Willy.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I left my phone number in my name with them
this morning at the studio.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
So so you came to you came to the studio
and left Willy left a phone number.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
For for Willie.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
They called me.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
Yes, I will tell you this week.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
We typically don't encourage people to just randomly stop by
the radio studio, but I will. I will see if
I can find it, and I will I will get
it to Willy. And I I I hope your predictions
about the Reds and Bengals proved to be uh prescient,
so to speak.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Okay, don't forget my five dollars.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
I got you.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
I'll put your five dollars and I'll get the mess
to Willie. And I hope you call again soon, David.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Okay, all right, brother God bless.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
Likewise, Tarn, did you follow the second half of any
of that?

Speaker 10 (49:12):
Not really, No, I was too busy trying to put
his five dollars on the on the parlay, which I've
successfully done.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
What are the odds Reds and Bengals to win the
whole thing? The parlay is plus two hundred and thirty
three thousand plus two hundred thirty three.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Thousand for both the Reds and Bengals to win their
respective league championships this year.

Speaker 11 (49:38):
Yes, five dollars pays out eleven thousand, six hundred fifty
six hundred and fifty.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Dollars eleven six y five oh five dollars wager. All right,
Well we're gonna do that for our guy.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
There.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Just as a general rule, for anybody else who might
be thinking of stopping by the studios to pass along
a message, that's something that we generally don't encourage. There
are there are there are ways of reaching out to
your your favorite on air personality. And I could say

(50:15):
this as someone that twice I've had people come to
the radio station, including a guy who about ten years
ago was waiting by my car. That wasn't terrifying at all.
As a general rule, that's not something we really encourage.
But uh, nonetheless, I'll see if I can. I can
pass along to Willie what that gentleman wants. Uh, what

(50:38):
do you say we take a break? Five one three, seven,
four nine, fifteen thirty and eight six six seven two
three seven seven six.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
By the way, West Virginia scored two more.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Their bunt didn't work, but they still scored, so they
shouldn't have bunted or they would have scored more runs.
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Speaker 10 (51:49):
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Speaker 4 (51:49):
A few of you on social media are making that guy.
What was that gentleman's name?

Speaker 5 (51:52):
David? David David.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
See a few of you on social media are making
that gentleman's wager. We have a a Kentuck dude is
on Twitter. Kentucky dude. He's made that wager here. He
is adding to it Kentucky to win the SEC championship
in college football, and u See to win the Big
twelve championship in college football, and he is combining those

(52:16):
in a parlay with the Bengals to win the Super
Bowl and the Reds win the World Series. He has
made a ten dollars wager that the payoff would be
two hundred thirty eight million dollars five hundred and fifty four,
five hundred and thirty dollars. I didn't say that, right,
two hundred and thirty eight basically two hundred and thirty
eight point five million bucks ten dollar wager right there

(52:37):
for those for those four outcomes, My guy's going big,
bigger than David there, good luck. You know, we made
a kind of this week a little bit lighter on guests,
kind of a slower news week. You know, we go
really guessed heavy certain times a year. This week would
be one, you know, sort of throw it out there
a little bit more to the audience at large, and

(52:58):
callers like that. Last one rewarded us for that programming strategy. Uh,
let's see if we can continue here. Mike, go ahead.
You're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
Hi Mike, thank you, Moe. I was just noticing, do
you my quickly?

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Do you have me on a speakerphone?

Speaker 6 (53:21):
I did? Now I got turn of regular.

Speaker 12 (53:23):
Then I've really got to pull it up to me year.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
I hate Okay, thank you, Okay, that better, thank you? Okay.
Here's Jason Avaldi's lighting it up. Dude. He said a
zero point five three e R in his last eight starts.
I mean that there's some serious numbers.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Yeah, he's been awesome, been awesome, one six to one
e R on the season, hasn't allowed to run on
each of his last two starts, has allowed one runner
fewer in each of his last five.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
He has been terrific.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
Yeah, he really is seame, he's not on a really
good team. Oh Sam, he's not on our team. Well,
we don't need him. We don't need no. Actually, well
we could use it, but we don't have to.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
End.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
I would I would like Nathan Avaldi.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
I mean, I wish Nathan Avaldi played, you know, third base,
and we could use him. But I would I would
find room for Nathan Avaldi on the Red Staff. As
good as the Red Staff has been this year, I
would find room for him.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
It was good. I think this is kind of a
good question, especially for you. It's NBA, and then I'll
get off the NBA. Okay, here's the question. Do you
prefer the ESPN team or the TVs? I prefer the
TVs with Ernie Shack, the Jet round mound and occasionally
Jalen Rose compared to Stephen A. Myers, Big Perk and

(54:37):
Bickerstaff was good last night, though.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
So if it if it's a game, if it's a
game broadcast, I think Mike Breen's the best. I think
Mike Breen with Doris Burke and Richard Jefferson lacks a
little you could tell they're still ironing out their kinks.
Although I think Richard Jefferson is better than JJ Reddick was,
but all of it's a Steve downgrade for what it was.
Mike Breen, Jeff Van Gundy, and Mark Jackson, but I

(55:03):
think Mike Breen is the best. The ESPN halftime in
pregame show has stunk since they got the NBA. The
TNT post game and halftime show is the gold standard.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
I do like it when Jalen Rose is on, and
you know, people ask me about Reggie Miller. I think
Kevin Harlan and Reggie Miller are really good together. And
I think as it relates to Pacer that excuse me
to PACER's next. Like, Reggie Miller plays the villain role perfectly,
but it doesn't affect his analysis. You know, Kevin Harlan
is awesome. Reggie Miller is going to be the number

(55:34):
one guy moving to NBC, I believe because TNT is
losing the NBA. But the pre and post game show,
I will admit to not having watched the post game
last night. There is still nothing like Ernie, Kenny, Charles
and Shaq, even though at times there is a little
bit too much back in my day on that show,
and by the way. Draymond Green was on last night

(55:56):
on the pregame and a halftime show, and I think
he's excellent in that role too.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
Yeah, he was fun just for for nothing else for
a change of pick. I was thinking of you, brother,
when he shot that shot and where it hit off
the back of the rim. I thought to myself, this
damn thing's gonna fall right in because it went right up. Look, you, Roger,
I don't even.

Speaker 5 (56:17):
Know what make your free throws?

Speaker 6 (56:20):
I mean, hold your breath. I did know you did,
but like you I did.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
The Knicks lost because of Indiana's ability to author an
incredible shooting performance over the final three minutes, but they
really lost because they couldn't execute.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
They didn't e clock and they didn't make free throws.
You know, I mean, I make make your free throws.
Make your free throws. NBA team can't make make your
free throws.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
And so UH give Indiana all the kind in the world, man,
You know, to be down fourteen with less than three
minutes to go, and for uh for them to do
what they did offensively, particularly Nie Smith making some shots
that were contested, all though I don't think contested as
much as they needed to be. It's one of the
greatest comebacks I've ever seen. It's one of the greatest

(57:05):
comebacks in the history of this sport. And you give
credit to the team that authored it.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
I almost turned it off because I thought, well, the
Knicks got that was tired and I thought the Knicks
got this one, and I thought, no, not. The way
this series is, you never know. It'll be exciting maybe
and I'll be damned. Okay, you brought up something cool
at the beginning of the show about these heart wrenching losses.
So I did a quick chronology of my kind of
tough five if I could share them with you. The

(57:34):
first one was when I was ten year around ten
years old, and the Bearcats were looking for a three
peat and that's damn Wyola Chicago whatever. After we beat
Ohio State two years in a row, we lose to
them in overtime. Now, they did have quite a player
named Jeff Parkners. He was special, but that was a heartbreaker.

(57:57):
I cried. I cried like a baby. My dad said, fun,
it's just sports. You don't have to cry. Men don't
cry about sports. And I said Dad, I said, I
swear to God, I said, Dad, I'm not a man yet.
Uh yeah, I guess you're not. Okay, you can go
ahead and cry. I did. I cried. I was. I
was so into uc that because it was my team.

(58:18):
I was a little kid, you know. That was my
heart and soul. The second one was when the Reds
lost that World Series Game seven to the A's and
seventy two. It's three to two, and the three runs
that the A's scored were all guineas. Almost the Reds

(58:41):
out pitched them in that series, I believe it or not.
And that Game seven, those three runs were nebulous at best,
and we got deep. That crushed me. Crushed me.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
So I'm trying to think they scored, and they scored two.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
I think it was what a one to one game
in the sixth and then I think Gene Tennis broke
it with a double and Sam Salbando then added another
one with I think it was a double.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
If yeah, Jeen Tennis was back in. He was, he
was at the at the line there what do we
call them? Yeah, the Mendoza line. He and sal Bando
wasn't the greatest there. If it would have been Joe
Rudy or one of those guys maybe or Bert camp
in Airis or whatever. But that that was a killer

(59:29):
MO that busted mine. You know what. The next one
was in seventy five when because I ended up becoming
the UCLA and it was hard not to and I
knew U. John Wooden's first coaching job was at Dayton
High School over in northern Kentucky. So I was rooting
for U C l A and uh they lost to

(59:50):
David Thompson in North Carolina State look back in seventy five,
and I was telling tern that David Thompson at that
time had the most incredible vertical jump. That's all they
talked about. And he did. He did go on to
play in the NBA. He must have got hurt a lot.
He didn't do a lot in the NBA, if I recall,

(01:00:12):
but that was a killer because that broke the streak
that UCLA had gone at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Then when the Lakers, David Thompson, like was, was Rookie
of the Year.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
It was an all NBA guy MultiMate.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
He had a good had a good NBA career, though
not as long as I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
He would have worn it right. No, his first four
or five years in the League. He was terrific.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Played for the Nuggets. I think he did all the way. Okay,
so I got that right.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Played for the Nuggets and later on the Seattle super
Sonics with.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
Jack Sickman, my boy, Dennis Johnson. That was a good team.
That was a fun team when they wanted. The next
one was the Lakers when the Celtics beat him by
thirty two, and then the next game, I forget what year,
thirty two. It was just demoralizing, I mean, tomorrow, it
was so embarrassing. And then the next game, Magic sunk

(01:01:04):
that twelve footer baby hook to break their back in
the garden and that place you could have heard a
pin drop. So that was kind of a joyous thing
that followed up a heartbreaker, right yeah. And then let's
see what was the next one? Hold the Bengals. The
Bengals losing those two Super Bowls that we've had it

(01:01:25):
right there, just the same damn team. Yeah, oh my god, no,
that was that was bad, man. I mean we had
those two damn games won.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Well, the first one I'm not old enough to have
remembered happening in real time. The second one, I was
in the sixth grade and my mom, let me stay
home from school the next day.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
That is when you're there's neat.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
But when you're when you're that age like and and
you suffer sports heartbreak for the first time, uh, there's nothing.
There's nothing. There's nothing like that when you're when you're
eleven years old and and you you suffer sports heartbreak
the way I did when the Bengals lost Super Bowl
twenty three, Like, that's that's something you remember, Like, that's

(01:02:10):
it's I think it's easier to get over it as
an adult because you have like perspective and you have
real life stuff and whatever. As a kid, like that's
your world and so uh that was I was an
inconsolable sixth grader on January whatever it was, twenty second,
nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
So that's always.

Speaker 6 (01:02:31):
The PTSD in his purest form.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Yeah, Like there's when when you're you know, I have
I have friends of mine who have kids who are
huge sports fans, older than my daughter, and when they
describe what they how they behave when their team loses,
it brings back memories of being that age, specifically with
the Bengals in the Uh, in the Super Bowl, that
was like nothing as an adult will compare to that.

(01:02:58):
Nothing and nothing as an adult should come to that,
because when you get older, it's like, all right, you know,
move on to something else. As as a sixth grade kid,
when the Bengals lost the Super Bowl to the San
Francisco forty nine ers, I thought the world was ending.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
Like it was. That was all that mattered to me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Nothing else mattered, nothing else, uh, And I remember after
that game just being inconsolable in ways that I've never
thankfully replicated as an adult.

Speaker 6 (01:03:25):
And probably your mom was wise because you would have
went to school. Even if you should have made you
go to school, you wouldn't have warned anything. You would
This kid.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Wants to sit at home and be sick, so we're
gonna allow to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
It was cool.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Now, Unfortunately, like as an adult, there have been way
too many, way too many, you know, to me that
the worst moment, you know, I think the most heartbreaking
gut punch loss as as a fan for me was
UC losing to Nevada. Now, the worst moment was Kenyan
Martin breaking his leg. Yeah, that to me is always
sort of a separate thing. It wasn't so much the

(01:03:59):
result of the game again and Saint Louis in the
Conference USA tournament, which they lost. It was realizing that
the player of the year in the sport and the
number one overall pick in the draft was not going
to play in a tournament that I think the Bearcats
would have been favored to win had he been healthy.
And also the understanding like you only get so many
chances like that. You know, I made a lot of
comparisons when COVID hit and the Dayton Flyers didn't get

(01:04:21):
a chance to play as a one seed in the
NCAA tournament. You know, how many times isn't Obi Toppin
going to show up on Dayton's campus? How many times
is the number one overall pick in the NBA draft
going to get a chance to show up on UC's campus. Now,
the difference was obviously in two thousand they played the
tournament and you see loss in the second round to Tulsa.
Dayton didn't get a chance to play in the tournament.

(01:04:42):
But the Kenyan Martin thing was and is will always
be the most heartbreaking thing event occurrence. But in terms
of gut punch loss, unfortunately, Mike, the list is really
really long, and last night for me at least added
to it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
I got a run, man, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
Yeah, and I get real quick. I guess the worst
and most tragic one of recent memories is Kobe. Yeah.
I think that shocked the world. That wasn't bad. That
was yeah too much.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Yeah, you know, there are you know, there are certain
certain to me. That was not so much of sports stories.
It was this major news story. But there have been
a handful of famous people deaths that really affected me,
and that was one of them, in large part because
his daughter was on flying with him in the helicopter.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
But that was one, like years from now, if.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
You asked me where I was when Kobe Bryant passed,
I'll be able to tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Mike, I gotta go, man, Thank you, thanks me. All right.
It's ten to three.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
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bottom half of the seventh inning in the Big Twelve Tournament.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
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Complex League College Baseball. U See is playing in the
quarterfinals of the Big Twelve tournament. West Virginia leeds Cincinnati
ten to three Bearcats batting in the top of the
eighth inning. Baseball America says the Bearcats right now would
be a two seed in the NCAA tournament. That, by
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(01:07:32):
But if the eighth seed in the Big twelve is
a two seed in the NCAA tournament, that speaks to
the quality of baseball in the Big Twelve tonight at
Prasco Park. By the way, Xavier won a great game
last night over Yukon in ten innings, eleven to eight.
So the Musketeers will take on top seeded Creighton at
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(01:07:54):
The first game is Yukon versus Saint John's, a game
that started later.

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
It was going to start at two.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Because of weather issues, they had to start it later,
So they're going to start the game between Xavier and
Creighton later than expected. That was going to be a
six to thirty first pitch Instead, the Muskies will play
the Blue Jays at seven thirty. Xavier wins and they
advance to the title game. If they lose, they'll play
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(01:08:23):
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(01:08:45):
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people how to vote. When it comes to like the
real world, you vote for who you want to vote for.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
I do not care.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
But if you don't vote for Dave Lapham, if you
have a ballot, you should be a sham. Miles Robinson's
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been called up to camp. He'll plan a couple of
friendlies against Turkey on June seventh in Connecticut East Hartford,
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(01:09:17):
ever seen a sporting event, and then he'll play against Switzerland.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
I'm Swiss.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
I don't know if I told you that that game
is going to be in Tennessee, which is a cool
place to go, West Hartford or Nashville, you tell me.
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series one game to none. Sixteen away from five o'clock.
I gotta post a couple of poll questions. One is
going to be about Trey Hendrickson. I may do the other.

(01:10:08):
We haven't talked much as much about Trey Hendrickson this week,
Let's be honest. Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor didn't say
anything about Trey Hendrickson that was newsworthy, and that was
by design. Both handled the questions about Trey well. I
think with Zach, if you're reading body language and kind
of paying attention to the tone and relative brevity of

(01:10:31):
his answers, I would imagine He's not nuts with Trey
right now because of the whole text message thing. What
we all want to know is he gonna miss games?
And I make it plural, is he gonna miss games?
You know, he has stated I'm not gonna play. I
don't plan to play under the current contract.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
That he signed.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
That's one thing to say or insinuate in May. It's
something else to actually follow through with in September. We
will see, I said earlier this week. Usually when we
talk about a player sitting out, or a player threatening
to hold out, or a player maybe missing games, I
always assume the player is gonna play. With Jamar Chase
last summer, it was the only question that mattered is

(01:11:15):
he going to miss football games? As it turned out
he didn't. By the way, Jamar Chase honored his contract.
And with all of these situations, Jesse Bates T Higgins
did nothing to violate any contract. Trey Hendrickson is under contract.

(01:11:36):
By not playing, he violates his contract by not coming
to training camp. If he sits out, and I'm talking
about a hold out, not a hold in, he subjects
himself de fines. Same for mandatory mini caamp. The part
that we all care about are the games will he
miss out? I tend to take his threats a little
bit more seriously than others, because I think he's a
different type of guy. In his grand standing at practice

(01:11:59):
last week would illustrate how he's a different type of guy.
And so what we all are wondering, understandably so, is
will Trey willingly miss games? How many? And at what
cost to him and the team. Here's the scenario though,
that I think is interesting. If you are holding out,

(01:12:21):
you're doing so, I believe, at least with the idea
of hurting the team and compelling them to go. Man,
we can't live without that guy. Well, what do we
all want this year? We want the Bengals to win
early in the season for the first time in forever.
Zach Taylor's September record as well documented. His record in
the first couple of weeks as well documented. We all

(01:12:43):
know the Bengals have started h to two each of
the last three years and oh and three last season.
We also know the schedule is giving them a little
bit of a break early in the season at Cleveland
home for Jacksonville. The Bengals should be favored in both
those games, regardless of whether or not Trey Hendrickson suits up.
What if Trey decides to miss those first two games

(01:13:05):
because that's his only leverage play, and the team wins
without him. What if Trey Hendrickson misses those first two games,
And this may seem implausible to you, but it's certainly
at least a slight possibility. The Bengals still win the
two games, and defensively they're better because of Al Golden,

(01:13:30):
because of Shamar Stewart, maybe because of Joseph Osai, perhaps
because of Miles Murphy. Like, what I would tell Trey is,
I get it, man, you don't have much leverage. I
don't blame anybody in any field for trying to create leverage.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
So do what you gotta do, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
And you know what if that means missing games, all right, fine,
understand though, if the team wins and plays well without you,
you kind of lose.

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
That leverage too.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
And not only do you lose that leverage, you miss
out on the game checks that would come with the
missed games. Now, he could decide at that point to
continue his holdout and go for ten weeks and lose
a whole lot of money. I'm not sure what good
that's going to do for him and the team. But
the idea here is strong arm the Bengals into giving

(01:14:23):
him a contract by not playing. That sounds neat. The
only way that really works, I think at least is
if the team loses.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
So if you're rooting for Trey to get.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
What he wants, and you're in his corner as it
relates to him holding out in missing games, and you
want him to get every penny he is holding out for,
you should probably root for the Bengals to lose. Brendanman
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Memorial Day weekend. Final score in Arlington, West Virginia Beach,
Cincinnati and the Big Twelve Tournament ten to three. The
final score the Bearcats. The Bearcats are still gonna make it.
I think Bearcats are still gonna make the NCAA tournament
for the first time as members of the Big twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
We will see.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
The NCAA Tournament selection show is Monday at noon that
Arizon ESPN two sixty four teams, not sixty eight like
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team seeded one through four in a double elimination format.
Baseball America today had them as a two seed. And

(01:17:17):
again it's two seed in a fourteen mini tournament. It's
not two seed in a sixteen team region. But still
that would suggest to me that they were comfortably in.
We will see. We'll find out on Monday, New Memorial
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We'll get to that coming up here in just a bit.

(01:17:40):
And this show today has been a Catharsis in some
of the like the thing. I love a lot of
things about having this job. Just as a brief aside,
this is the job I've always woned sports talk radio
host in Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
I've won of this job since I was ten years old.
I am lucky to have it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
I've been lucky enough to have it, and so I know,
ever take for granted the chance I have to do
this This is a get to job. I get to
do this every single day. But one of the many
things I love about this job. There have been many
times I have done this show, or in some cases,
the Tony and Mo Football Show, and the previous day

(01:18:16):
something bad has happened, a team has lost, there's been
a frustrating outcome, our hopes have been dashed, and by
midway through the show, I'm having fun and it's a blast.
And that is what's so much fun about doing this.
Like we talk about some hard losses sometimes and it

(01:18:37):
ends up still being fun and for me personally at Catharsis,
and it improves my mood. There have been times in
my life away from this job and away from sports
that haven't been going so well, and it's always been
this job that has got me through it. And so
last night, as a Knicks fan, that is I've watched
the New York Knicks lose a lot of different types

(01:18:58):
of games. I've watched the playoff games. I've watched them
be irrelevant for basically twenty years. That in itself has
been devastating. I've not seen anything like last night. I've
not seen an NBA team pull off what the Indiana
Pacers did last night. The good news is it's just
game one. The better news is I could come here,
spend some time talking about it, get some stuff off

(01:19:18):
my chest, talk about stuff that you and the audience
cares about, and by about four thirty, I'm in a
great mood again. So here we are. We're having fun.
We're having fun. We got the Reds and Cubs. We've
got to get to. I want to spend a few
minutes on Tito, on Terry Francona. We'll do that a
little bit later on, because I was I was thinking
this morning when I wasn't thinking about the game last night,

(01:19:41):
I was thinking about a call we got about the
Reds yesterday. You know, one more thing, and I know
we have talked the Trey Hendrickson thing to death, which
is what we do in this business. Like the Bengals
gave me Jesse Bates three years ago, we talked Jesse

(01:20:02):
Bates into the ground. Last summer, we talked Jamar Chase
into the ground. That's what we do.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
I'm at least willing to admit that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
I do think it's a fascinating case, and I do
think it's a case unlike Jamar and t and even
Jesse Bates because of the age of Trey Hendrickson. Also
because he's under contract, and that is the part that
I feel like gets lost. Trey Hendrickson signed a contract
two years ago specifically to play for the Bengals this year. Now,

(01:20:36):
he might have had any every reason in the world. Right, Hey, look,
you know what, it's an extra year of security. I
can cross this off my list. I'm done. It's another year.
I don't have to worry about Fine, But when you
sign a contract, whether it's to play for an NFL team,
whether it's to work at a radio station, you should

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sign it understanding there could be some stuff happening that
happens during the terms of that contract. I've seen folks say, well,
the Bengals should have known the past rusher market was
gonna explode, it was gonna jump. They should have anticipated
those things, And that's not inaccurate. But Trey Hendrickson shouldn't

(01:21:18):
have assumed that there was at least a good possibility
the edge rusher market would change. Like I do have
to wonder. People have criticized Trey Hendrickson's agent and how
good Trey's agent is at his or her job. And
I don't know if it's a here a she. That's

(01:21:38):
how little I really care Trey Hendrickson's agents, many of
us have kind of questioned, do they know what they're doing?
Do they know what they're doing with this? Do they
know what they're doing in relation to some of the
tactics that Trey is employed. It is the job of
an agent to explain to their client when they sign

(01:22:01):
a contract. Okay, here are some of the positives. Here
are maybe some of the negatives, but here are some
of the things you should consider. And maybe Trey's agent
did this and Trey still signed it, or ignored it,
or simply didn't care. But if you were Trey Hendrickson's agent,

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you have a responsibility to tell your client. Look, man,
you could sign that deal, and the good news is
it puts off free agency by year. It guarantees you
a pretty healthy income during the season in which you're
going to turn thirty years old. But look, man, you know,
or thirty one years old, I should say, but during
the terms of that contract, during the time of that contract,

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there some stuff could happen that the edge rusher market
could blow up, and you're going to be stuck working
under the contract that you're working under, or the salary
cap could explode and you're going to be stuck under
contract with no wiggle room out. Maybe Trey's agent told
him this. Maybe he told him this very explicitly and

(01:23:10):
very definitively, very emphatically. But that's what I want to know, Trey.
When you sign that deal, were you aware or did
someone working on your behalf make you aware that while
you're working under the contract that you're about to sign,
you might be stuck because there could be some things

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that happened around you and around the league that are
kind of out of your control. Like I work under
a contract here, I have for the last fourteen years,
and when I sign a contract, it's great, man. You know,
it's great to be under contract. It's great to kind
of know here are the terms of my employment. Like

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I could sign another contract to work for iHeartMedia and
do this show, and I know when I sign that
some things could happen, like suddenly ratings made triple and
now they're charging more for spots on this show, or
there's a huge infusion of advertising dollars that roll through

(01:24:16):
the company. I'm stuck working out of the contract that
I signed doesn't mean that I'm suddenly going to get
more money. In fact, I can promise you I'm not.
I know that when I sign, I don't have an
agent frankly can't imagine having one. But I signed the
deal knowing there could be some stuff that happens during

(01:24:37):
the life of this contract that I might go, Hugie,
you know what, I wish, kind of wish my contract
was up so I could take advantage of those things.
I could take advantage of higher ratings or US charging
advertisers more, US making revenue that we weren't making when
I originally signed the deal. I know that when I sign,

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I assume the risk. So it's not that dissimilar. Like,
you know, who knows what's going to happen with the
quarterback market in the coming years. But when Joe Burrow
signed his contract, I think he had to be fully
aware of the fact that while he was the highest
paid QB in the sport at the time that he
signed the deal, salary CAP's going to go up. Quarterbacks

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are only going to get more expensive, only going to
get more valuable. The quarterback market could change. He's working
out of the contract that he signed in twenty twenty three.
Some stuff between twenty twenty three and the end of
the contract is going to change. Joe is probably a
smart enough person, and I'm guessing has a lot of
smart enough people in his life that he knows that.

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I think a lot of folks have chosen with Tray
and the Bengals to kind of take sides. Make it
about the Bengals, make it about the Bengals being in
Look man, Bengals get criticized for a lot of different things,
and they deserve it. I have no idea why they're
doing this song and dance with Shamar Stewart, but they
signed Trey to a deal that he willingly signed, and
I've played the game a few times. We actually have
the picture hanging up here in the studio of him

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signing the deal, and he's got a big old smile
on his face, and it doesn't look like anybody's holding
a gun to his head or coercing him or making
him do something that he didn't want to do when
he signed that contract. I'm literally looking at the picture
across from me right now, with that big old smile
on his face. He should have known in his head
when I signed this. Some stuff could happen. Edge Rusher

(01:26:24):
market might explode. Maybe a guy's like a guy like
Miles Garrett's gonna get paid. Miles Garrett was in the
NFL when Trey Hendrickson signed his contract. Maybe a guy
like Max Crosby's gonna get paid. Max Crosby was in
the NFL when Trey signed that deal.

Speaker 5 (01:26:40):
So sorry, man, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
I'm on the side of the Bengals having the best
possible chance to win the title this year, but Trey's
under contract for this season. I don't think it's wrong
as a fan or as an outsider to say, you
know what, Tray signed the contract.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
Guys should play, And.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Frankly, I don't think it's wrong with the Bengals to go, look, dude,
we offered you a contract, you chose to sign it,
You inherited the risk, you knew some of the stuff
that could happen. Sorry man, Oh, and by the way,
we are offering you a pay raise and a longer contract.

Speaker 5 (01:27:14):
I think the part of.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
This that gets lost amid all the different takes that
are out there, at all the different angles that are
out there, and all the different takes that you know,
just want to default to the position that the Bengals
are in the wrong, which I really don't think they are.
What gets lost is try sign a contract. You know,
it's not apples to apples. And I took Carson Palmer's

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side in twenty eleven, but I heard it often Carson
signed a contract, he should just play by the way
a fair perspective. Now, I kind of viewed twenty eleven
as like somebody needed to throttle the Bengals and grab
them by the lapels and force them to change their ways.
And maybe to a degree, Carson did also to be
fair at Carson wasn't at the top of his powers

(01:27:59):
the way Ray Henderson is right now.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
But still so with you know, Jamar Chase.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
Jamar Chase didn't violate his contract last year, and Jesse
Bates didn't violate any contract a couple of years ago
because he was given the franchise tag and he wasn't
under contract until he actually signed the deal, so he
didn't violate his contract. We're talking about Trey willingly violating
his and achieving the result he wants and that he's

(01:28:29):
looking for, and him maybe doing things that come at
the Bengals expense so he could do what he's looking
for and doing things that violate his contract. I'm sorry, man,
like I don't know when we got to a point
where we found it wrong or dumb or shortsighted to
say that a player who signs a contract should should

(01:28:52):
live up to it. I don't think that's the wrong perspective.
I certainly don't think it's the wrong perspective of T's
Trey to want more.

Speaker 5 (01:29:01):
I would too.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
I certainly don't think that Trey is being unreasonable for
saying I don't want to be the twentieth highest paid
defensive end in football.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
I don't blame him at all.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
I would do the same, And I think the Bengals
are trying to make him play at a level of
compensation that's a lot closer to number one than number twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
But if they're stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
And now Trey has to make a decision as to
whether or not I'm going to forgo money or honor
my contract, I want him to honor his contract because
he willingly signed it, and he knew what may take
place while he signed it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
You sign a deal, man.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
There could be some things that happened during the contract
that make and go, oh man, I'm not sure I
should have signed this or you know what, God, I
certainly wish that the timing would have been a little
bit better. Like we can apply that the same criticism
to both sides. You could say the Bengals should have
known when the market was going to change, or that
the market may change. Trey knew the same thing was possible,

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I got two pole questions today. Both are about the Bengals.
Can the Bengals start two? And oh without Trey Hendrickson?
Remember they don't play good teams Brown's Jags. Vote now
at Mullleger. I posted these a little bit later than usual.
The other is and I could be dead wrong about this,
we will see. I am of the belief that nobody

(01:32:52):
is really following the Bengals County back and forth as
it relates to the stadium, and you know, the first
stadium vote went down, you know, really the back and
forth started when I was in high school. And I'll
never forget the night of the stadium vote itself. I
was a freshman in college and I followed it very closely.
And I followed it very closely because I was a

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political science minor. I was kind of slightly into that
sort of stuff. But more than anything, you know, I
knew the Bengals had made some threats about moving to Baltimore,
and then the Browns did move to Baltimore, And what
hung over that entire thing was the threat well, Cleveland
lost their team, we might lose ours, And so I
followed that all very closely. I gotta be honest with you,

(01:33:33):
as somebody who does care about where my tax money goes.

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
I still couldn't give a riff. Now if you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
Tell me, wait a minute, mode the Bengals may leave town, well,
then then then we're okay, we're but we just signed
a new deal to carry the games. Like then, I
then I'm in until that is the case. I had
to be honest with you when I when I I'll
have in front of me an article about something regarding
the stadium back and forth, or I'll hear another show

(01:34:01):
where they I just I get bored. Like last night,
I was to comfort myself after the next game. I thought,
I'm gonna watch this Brett Fare documentary at about twenty minutes,
and I found myself just bored to tears. Very similar.
So I am of the belief nobody is really paying attention.
It could be that wrong about this. So my question is,

(01:34:22):
are you following with any interest the Bengals Hamilton County
Stadium negotiation vote? Now, I believe the overwhelming majority of
let's say, sports talk radio listeners are not.

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
We will see we will see votes at Mowager. We
have folks waiting.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
By the way, I did pass on to Willie that
that guy was looking for him from like an hour ago,
texted him and said there was there's a guy who
was looking for you. Has wants to write a book,
maybe make a movie about him.

Speaker 5 (01:34:59):
Phil Well, fill your honey, SDN fifteen thirty. What's up, mo?

Speaker 10 (01:35:04):
How are you now?

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
I'm well, what's going on?

Speaker 10 (01:35:08):
I hope Trey Henderson's agent from deweycheatam and how is
listening to this? Because because they've got a couple of
things wrong. First of all, is this seventy five percent
pay bump?

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:35:22):
Dude, I would I would have already ran to the
stadium signed for thirty three percent?

Speaker 13 (01:35:28):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:35:30):
How much do you need?

Speaker 10 (01:35:31):
Cry number two? Like what leverage does trade doesn't have
any leverage? What's going to try to do?

Speaker 5 (01:35:38):
Get?

Speaker 10 (01:35:38):
Like national attention? Has has an agent not followed the
Brown family and what they think of like national pressure, which.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Is they don't care at all.

Speaker 10 (01:35:49):
And here's the other thing. He's not going to set
up the season. He's not because because he's thirty one,
what's he going to do? Sit out a whole year
and then try to get thirty plus million at thirty
two years old, and like and someone, he thinks someone's
gonna sign him after not playing a year to thirty
million plus. That's not gonna have an He'll get twelve

(01:36:09):
million dollars on a prove it deal if he's lucky. Yeah,
I mean, I do not understand this.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
It comes back to It comes back to what Katie
Blackburn send it to Oders meetings almost two months ago.
Trey is just gonna have to be happy with what
he's been offered, and she was right about that. I
think he's just gonna have to decide I'm gonna be
okay playing for what they're offering me. I'm gonna sign it.
I'm gonna do it without regret. I'm gonna do it
without resentment. I'm gonna do it and not be angry
and move on in the absence of that. I don't

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know how things change.

Speaker 10 (01:36:39):
Amen and what and I'm in the minority, and that
I actually am following the stadium you are.

Speaker 6 (01:36:45):
I find it.

Speaker 10 (01:36:46):
I find a laughable laughable at the Fingals for having
a problem because they don't have this guy who's like
wanting to work behind the scenes with them. And the
reason I'm all right with that is because we know
how that worked the last time. Like all of a
sudd Bob betting House has a job with you what
the Bengals money, how that works out? Like I I'm

(01:37:06):
all for transparency. I want to see how my money
plays out, and I don't want it to take forever
for the for the Bingers. You know what, we could
host a concert in the summer make some money, Like now,
the heck with that. If it's our stadium, it's our
stadium that we can We can have a concert a
week in the summer if we want to, and they
can they can sit on it if they don't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
Yeah, I got no, I'm I'm with Phil, thank you,
I'm with you there.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
I just the back and forth, like I read.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
Somebody in our Jack Crumley in our newsroom brought me
the letter that was written by the Bengals to Connie.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
Pillach, the prosecutor.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Who I guess as the prosecutor you represent Hamilton County
negotiations like this, And I got about midway through and
I'm like, yeah, I don't care, I'm sorry, just and
like I care about where my tax money goes. I do,
and so I should maybe care a little bit more
than I do, but I don't. And man like I want.

(01:38:07):
I want that stadium to host as many events as possible,
as many events as possible. I want public arenas. So
why I don't like international games? We built your stadium
and now you're taking one of your games to London
or Munich or Brazil. Come on, Like play concerts, play events,
play high school events, play college games there.

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
Same for Great American Ballpark.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
Like I love the explosion in recent years in activity
at those stadiums, and I know it's very beneficial to
downtown of the Banks, and I'm here for it all.
But I could damn well be in the minority. But
I just don't think most people are paying very close attention.
Five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:38:46):
We'll get to that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
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(01:40:14):
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Speaker 5 (01:40:36):
You see?

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
Lost in the Big twelve Baseball Tournament today to West
Virginia by a score of ten to three. Meanwhile, Xavier
plays at Prasco Park tonight in the Big East Baseball Tournament.

Speaker 5 (01:40:47):
They battle Creighton. Crayton is the top seed.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
The Big East Baseball Tournament is a double elimination event
and so if Xavier wins, they advance to the championship game.
If they lose, they will play either Yukon or Seaton
Hall in an elimination game tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Good luck to Billy O'Connor.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Florence and Gateway tonight hook up in Frontier League action
in Florence. The Bengals have extended their agreement with iHeartRadio
to carry and produce the games to the twenty twenty
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to the US national team camp. Congratulations to him. NBA
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(01:41:35):
Thunder up one tozer and Florida and Carolina hooking up
in the Eastern Conference Final of the NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs.
Panthers up won nothing in that series. By the way,
and this is probably not the first time you've heard
me talk about this. There's been I think some renewed
or maybe in some cases first time ever interest in

(01:41:57):
area college baseball. U SE and Xavier both look like
they're pretty good bets to make the NCAA Tournament. Musketeers
could bolster their resume with a win tonight. By the way,
if you're going to Prasco Park, that games at seven
thirty was originally scheduled for six thirty. There's the Regional,
there's the Super Regional, and then there's the College World Series.

(01:42:20):
If you are developing a newfound interest in college baseball,
or even if you just like baseball a lot, but
you don't follow the college game very closely, I cannot
implore you enough to attend the College World Series. It
is one half baseball convention, one half party. And tickets

(01:42:43):
are dirt cheap. Omaha is a cool town. They have
games at one, games at seven. They're a blast. My
favorite sporting event that I've ever been to. So if
you're root for a school and they end up in Omaha,
you're doing yourself a service if you don't go. But
if you just you know, like baseball a lot, something

(01:43:05):
fun to do in the summer. I'm telling you, man,
I'm telling you I have friends of mine who laughed
at me when I say this. I went for my
fortieth birthday. I'm gonna go back for my fiftieth. The
College Baseball World Series. One other thing here really quick. Well,
we had a call yesterday. We were talking about Terry
Francona and the Reds, and you know, he sort of insinuated, well,

(01:43:29):
you know, maybe Terry is Tito, I should say, is
gonna kind of throw his hands in the air and
at the All Star break give up and quit.

Speaker 5 (01:43:35):
And I think he was being sort of tongue in cheap.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
But I talked to yesterday how I think this narrative
got built mainly by people on the outside, by a
lot of fans and maybe some who do this for
a living.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
That Terry Francona.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
Signed on to be the Reds manager because he believed
that the Reds were gonna make the sort of heavy
financial investment in the club that sort of flies in
the face of what you would typically expect. And I
certainly do believe one day they're going to be in
a position where it makes a lot of sense for
them to spend the kind of money they typically don't spend.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
Who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
My take on it, and who knows if I'm ryder
or up My take on it was. Tito wasn't so
much overwhelmed by what the Reds may do. He's impressed
by what the Reds have and believes, with his managerial
touch and some further development and some outside acquisitions, that
he could guide this team back to the postseason and

(01:44:38):
maybe one day to a World Series title. I never
believed it was about Tito's signing on to think that, well,
they're suddenly going to spend the kind of money that
you normally don't associate with the Reds. The Reds are
twenty five and twenty six. They're twenty five and twenty
six for a variety of reasons. I mean, Terry Francona

(01:44:59):
has done it an awesome job, And I don't think he's
done a terrible job either. I think, for the most part,
he's just kind of been there. I don't know that
anybody else would do dramatically better. I don't know that
anybody else would do significantly worse. But regardless of how
you feel about him, the team as it's currently playing

(01:45:20):
and constructed, and regardless of how the next couple of
years unfold, Terry Francona may may end up being a
reason why the red succeed, may end up being the
main reason why the Reds lose, may end up having
little to do with it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
But he's not going to be let off the hook
because he was sold a bill of goods. And if
he was, you know, we were talking about with Trey Hendrickson, like,
know what you're signing up for? Know what may happen?
I would tell Tito, dude, know what you're signing up for.
It's a franchise with a track record that's not good.
It's an ownership group with the history of not It's

(01:46:00):
a general manager slash baseball president of baseball ops combo
that is still kind of unproven. It is a team
that is still very much in the not yet finished stage.
Like I would like to think, if we're gonna if
the Reds failed this year, and it's gonna be well,
not Tito's fault, like not saying if the Reds lose

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and don't make the playoffs, that it's mainly on the manager.
But the explanation can't be well, Tito was he took
the job under the guys of this and it ended
up that that happened. If that's the case, Tito didn't
do his homework, and I believe he did his homework.

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
If that made sense.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Uh, let's see here, Josh, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty high. Josh,
I'm awesome, man, what's up?

Speaker 11 (01:46:48):
Oh, wouldn't it be?

Speaker 12 (01:46:50):
It's so ironic.

Speaker 13 (01:46:51):
A player named Nay Smith was the NIXT killer last night. Ironic,
but my goodness, that last few minutes, what he was doing,
that's incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:47:04):
It was awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
It's it is one of the single best shooting performances
any of us have ever seen. Now, I don't think
the next did a great job defending them, but that
is one of the single best shooting and by the way,
would have been the case had Haliburton not made his shot.
What Nei Smith did was over the course of three minutes,
unlike anything I've ever seen. Been watching this sport for

(01:47:27):
a long time. He was he and the pacers were amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:47:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 13 (01:47:35):
My brother is a Union electrician and right now they
are running high speed data down at pay Corps Stadium,
and CBS is the one paying the bill, and the
understanding is that they're going to put new cameras in
and they're going to be running Native four k this season.

Speaker 12 (01:47:50):
For anyone that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:47:51):
Oh wow, okay, good to know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
But he.

Speaker 5 (01:47:58):
Do we lose.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
You, Josh, We lost her for a second.

Speaker 5 (01:48:02):
We lost her for a second.

Speaker 6 (01:48:03):
There.

Speaker 11 (01:48:05):
Oh sorry, Yeah, he's just been down there for the last.

Speaker 5 (01:48:11):
Can can he do anything about this phone connection?

Speaker 11 (01:48:16):
There?

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
You're back, All right, let's try one more time.

Speaker 12 (01:48:19):
We could run some date.

Speaker 11 (01:48:20):
We can run some high speed data into my phone.

Speaker 12 (01:48:22):
Apparently, hear you.

Speaker 11 (01:48:26):
Yeah, a lot of clock cool stories he's been.

Speaker 12 (01:48:28):
Uh apparently Zach Taylor went and talked.

Speaker 13 (01:48:31):
To all the guys working down there, and uh, yeah,
it's been a really cool nice Well.

Speaker 5 (01:48:37):
I look forward to I look forward to seeing the
results of his work.

Speaker 12 (01:48:41):
Two years ago had done that.

Speaker 11 (01:48:46):
He can buy us or somebody he would be getting paid.

Speaker 5 (01:48:51):
I lost you again.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
There, give it to me one more time, Josh, We'll
try one more time.

Speaker 5 (01:48:55):
Say what you just said.

Speaker 11 (01:48:59):
I said, the worst decision Tray made was that he
signed that one year extension.

Speaker 12 (01:49:03):
Two years ago.

Speaker 13 (01:49:04):
He not done that and getting paid by somebody right now?

Speaker 5 (01:49:09):
Yeah, yes, that's the bottom line.

Speaker 11 (01:49:11):
I mean he his agent made a stupid decision and
now he has to live with it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
Yep, he and Trey made a decision.

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
And when you sign a contract, you know there are
some things that can happen, Like he signed that deal
with one more year already on it, so he's effectively
he had to spend the next two years knowing the
market would change, Circumstances would change, the Bengals balance sheet
would change, the salary cap would change, the edge rusher
market would change. And if he and his agent agreed

(01:49:39):
to sign that deal not considering those things, then the
agent did not do his job, and Trey was poorly.

Speaker 13 (01:49:47):
Informed one hundred percent. So I you know, fulfill your contract, don't.
I don't see any world in which he sits and
doesn't quatch to sixteen millions.

Speaker 12 (01:50:02):
So we're better this year with him.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
Yeah, no question, Josh, thank you, thank you for the
phone call. They're better with Trey. It's why they shouldn't
have traded him. It's why I'm glad they didn't trade him.
My guess is, and it's just a guess. If push
comes to shove, he's gonna do what most of us
would do, And Okay, I'll suck it up and play

(01:50:24):
because I'm not giving back the money that I would
make by playing. I do think, though, because he has
handled this so differently. You may argue he's handled it wrong.
You may argue he is handling it, handling it great,
but he has handled it in such a different manner

(01:50:44):
than what we're used to. Like that scene last week
was noteworthy because of how different and bizarre it was. Well,
when you do different and bizarre things, I think you're
wired differently. Maybe you're not a Bazarz person, although I
am so, if you're wired differently than other players, I

(01:51:06):
take the threat a little bit more seriously than I
would with other players that you're going to miss out again.
If you're asking me wagered amount of money, that matters.
If they don't get a deal done with trade, does
he play the first game, or does he not. I
think he's going to do what most of us would do,
and that's side with the paycheck. But I don't feel
as strongly about that as I would with almost anybody
else because of what I've seen, what we've seen from him,

(01:51:28):
which is behavior that sort of flies in the face.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
Of the norm.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
Uh five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty is
our phone number. It is eleven away from six o'clock.
Sam Leakira on the show tomorrow. We're looking forward to that.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 5 (01:52:40):
And Berlinton.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
Question number one, Can the Bengals start two and zero
without Trey Hendrickson? Seventy percent of you say yes.

Speaker 5 (01:52:47):
By the way, I don't know that the answer is yes.

Speaker 4 (01:52:49):
Let's be honest, man, Bengals have lost all benefit of
the doubt when it comes to starting the season. You
can say, well, they're playing bad teams.

Speaker 6 (01:52:56):
Mo.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Yeah, so what about last year, about the year before?
Like that doesn't carry a lot of water for me. Well,
they play bad teams. I honestly don't know that the
answer is yes. You might say, well they're gonna have
a healthy borough, Okay, fine, And I certainly believe they'll
be favored to win their first two games. And my
guess is their record is two and oh. But I

(01:53:18):
don't know if I feel as good about it as
many of the people voting. If they start to and
O without Trey Hendrickson, then what leverage does he have?

Speaker 5 (01:53:28):
Vote?

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
Also, are you following with any interest the Bengals Hamilton
County Stadium negotiations. I'm a little surprised here and maybe
somewhat pleasantly. So sixty seven percent of you say no,
which means thirty three percent of you say yes. And
I thought that number was gonna be like a little
bit closer to like thirty or twenty. I should say twenty.

(01:53:52):
It is close to thirty. I thought it would be
closer to twenty. Am I doing tomorrow? Sam Leckire's on
the show. We're looking forward to that. Will have an
MLS expert from Apple TV and that'll be fun too,
And it'll be our final show before Memorial Day. So
we're done. Show's over back tomorrow. Oh that's right, Thank you, Tarren.

(01:54:13):
We're giving away the lawnmower and all the riverbend tickets
the mow your long contest winner announced at four thirty
five tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:54:19):
I appreciate the reminder.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
Thank you for listening, Thank you for letting me talk
a little bit about the game last night. This was
a Catharsis. Thanks to Tarran Bland for producing. Don't Forget
Sincy three sixty is tomorrow at noon. Have an awesome night.
We return at three zero five tomorrow. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
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