6/17/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show w/ Chad Brendel

Chad Brendel of Bearcat Journal filling in for Mo Egger talking all things Reds, Bengals and Bearcats

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
PN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Oho, guess what day it is? Guess what day it is?

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Stock dude day.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Show hadn't even started, and I feel betrayed. Welcome in
the Molagger Show since nat He's ESPN fifteen thirty. Chad
Brendle in Formulager, Taren, you did that on purpose? You
did that on purpose running a Xavier ad seconds before

(00:49):
the show starts, throwing off my mojo. I've been sabotaged.
The show hasn't even started yet.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
And you entered in in the me territory for lunch today.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I did, but they love us there. Back back to I,
you know, I introduced Austin. You were on you were
you were out a couple of fridays ago and uh
I got Austin J and W Sandwich Shop. He talked
about how awesome it was, and today I ask you,
what do you want? You said, let's let's rock J

(01:28):
and W Sandwich Shop. I went in. The delivery driver
was like, You're on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday this week?

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
And I was like, do you know my schedule better
than me? I think I might be Yeah, I am,
You're right. I'm on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday this week they
are regular listeners and tarn They make great sandwiches. Oh,
their double deckers are outstanding, phenomenal, outstanding. I still don't
understand how they get all the meat to stay on
those little pieces of white bread. It's a it's a

(02:00):
sandwich making miracle. Taran, we didn't say no, did we
finished both?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, but both sandwiches were inhaled today. I was hungry,
all right. I got to regain my composures since Arren
tried to throw me off my game before the show
even started. But we'll get there. A lot to get
to today. Paul Danner Junior is usually here with Moegger

(02:31):
on Tuesdays for an hour. I wasn't gonna ask Paul
to do an hour. I figure he probably saw this
as a vacation week for himself in this spot, but
I did ask him if he could come on and
talk some Bengals with us as we go into the ABYSS.
The the really the only time period of the year

(02:54):
where the NFL doesn't really have anything going on is
this roughly one month window from the end of mandatory
mini camp to the start of training camp. So Paul's
gonna come on talk about where the Bengals are at
what they what he has seen through OTA's in mini camp,
and I'm gonna have him answer a question for me.

(03:17):
Does the front office of this franchise value the off
season program as much as they should? And is that
maybe a part of why this team has not started
fast in the past couple of seasons? Are they correlated?

(03:38):
You had the Jesse Bates deal, the drug in through
the off season and was a distraction, and then the
Jamar Chase stuff, and now the Trey Hendrickson stuff, and
last year you had the t Higgins and Jamar Chase
and it just seems like and now Shamar Stewart like,

(03:58):
we keep throwing this stuff in the off season that
doesn't get resolved by the Bengals until much later down
the road. They kicked the can down the road. Would
some stability be nice in the off season? Heck, what
a couple of years ago they did one day of
the mandatory mini camp or whichever one that was, and
then send everybody home. Is there a need for not

(04:24):
just Zach Taylor, Joe Burrow and the football side of things,
but the business side of things the front office to
take the off season a little bit more Seriously, why
are we now hearing that the Bengals are re upping talks.
They're reconnecting with Trey Hendrickson on getting his deal done.

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Now when all the off season work is done and
the only thing left is to show up for training
camp in a month, Now it's time to re engage
with Trey Hendrickson, who said what a month to go
that he had had no communication, no ongoing communication with
the Bengals. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense

(05:06):
to me. So I'm gonna ask Paul that and then
we'll get his answer, and then we'll talk about it
even more. We'll talk about Ellie daily Cruz. The absurd
notion that the Reds should trade him came up from
a writer at the local How do I want to

(05:29):
be nice about this? The local bird cage liner that
they should trade him to the Chicago Cubs. Just so
happens that said writer for the local rag is a
Cubs fan and does a Cubs podcast trade Alli to
the Chicago Cubs? Or is it time to sign Ellie?

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And what would that look like? And would it be
worth going out of your way to sign Ellie to
a big extension? Now, if it only meant getting an
extra year or two of la post arbitration, I think
it would. We'll talk to Clay Snowden in hour number two.

(06:13):
Get some thoughts from Clay on the Reds doing the
up part of the roller coaster that has been the
twenty twenty five season and can they do a better
job of maintaining I talked about this late last week
when I was in This team has done the one
thing that you'd like to see from a team that

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could finish eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight wins. They
have been able to go on these five, six, seven
game streaks where they're you know, five and oh, six
and one, and then generally they have followed it up
by losing four of five, five of six, five in
a row, whatever the case may be, and they give
back all the progress they've made. Can they get to

(06:59):
a point where they still have those ups but the
downs are leveled out to more five hundred because if
you go five and one and then you go three
and three instead of one in five or two and four,
all of a sudden, that starts adding up over the
course of a season, and it puts yourself in a

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place where you can be in contention into August and September,
And does that align with what Nick Krawl said recently
over the weekend, which is essentially probably not going to
be super active adding to this roster. We don't have
to be super active in adding to this roster because
the point of the season has already arrived where the

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front office inevitably starts talking about, if we just get
guys back from injury, we're going to be fine. You
would think at some point in time this front office
would realize it's a one hundred and sixty two game
baseball season. Guys get hurt. You're never going to be healthy.
You have to figure out how to win when you're

(08:06):
not at your best, when you're not at full strength.
Not to take every season and say, oh, well, if
we just, you know, if we had these one or
two guys that got hurt, we would things would have
been different. That's never gonna happen. Guys are always gonna
get hurt. You're never going to go through a season
where you don't have a key player or two or

(08:27):
five missignificant time. Are you built as an organization on
a solid enough foundation that that doesn't cripple you it
would appear from his answers, the Reds are not. It
would appear from some of the guys we've seen in
the lineup throughout this season, the Reds are not. So

(08:54):
we'll get to that. I do want to get to
something that's interesting going on today. The CFP, the Expansion Committee,
as meeting today in Asheville, North Carolina, to talk about
potential expansion of the College Football Playoff, and up until
maybe six weeks or so, agos sooner more recent than

(09:16):
I actually maybe about a month ago, when the SEC
had their meetings in Destin, Florida, everybody thought the SEC
and the Big Ten were in lockstep and that they
were gonna go to this. They were gonna propose going
to sixteen teams. Because first you have to understand there
is a memorium of understanding where the Big ten in

(09:36):
the SEC get to unilaterally decide what the playoff format
looks like in twenty twenty six. They make that decision together.
I have long said that these are two entities that
are as philosophically different as you can possibly be in

(09:58):
the world of sports. Taren, you have been an Ohio
State fan for a long time. How much love does
the Big Ten have for the SEC.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Oh, not much at all.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
None, not even not much. It's none. They hate each other.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I mean I respect some of the SEC teams.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Sure you can have, but I mean as a conference,
there's no respect between the two leagues. They don't like
each other. They are Republicans and Democrats essentially, like they're
just on opposite sides of the spectrum on how they
think things should be done. They do not agree on much,
if anything at all. Now they are going to have

(10:40):
to agree on a format if the playoff is going
to expand in twenty twenty six. The problem is everybody
thought they were in lockstep on this format that gave
the Big ten in the SEC four automatic qualifying bids each.
So if you go to sixteen, that's eight that's half

(11:02):
of the college Football Playoff, and then the Big twelve
and the ACC would get two each, and then the
group of five would get one, group of six would
get one, and then there would be three at large,
which generally one of those is going to be taken
up by Notre Dame most years as long as they
are in the top sixteen, they are in, and then

(11:25):
you'd have two at large as left will. The SEC,
coming out of their meetings kind of took in about
face and decided that they are going to get behind
the five plus eleven model, which is simply the five
automatic qualifying conferences, the five conferences that finish at the
top of the metrics, all five of those would be

(11:50):
automatic qualifiers, and then the rest of the field would
be selected, kind of like the NCAA tournament and the
Big Ten once the four to four to two to
one model, mainly because I think the Big Ten knows
for the most part four they're gonna be between three
and four bids every year. They want to assure that

(12:12):
they get four with the possibility that, you know, if need,
if possible, they can get a fifth or sixth. The
SEC thinks they're gonna get five or six teams in
every year. They're not worried about four. I think the
Big ten's worried about four. We want to make sure
we get four. The SEC looks at it and says,
we're gonna get four. We want to make sure we've

(12:33):
got the opportunity to eclipse that. And now the two
sides are again not on the same page, and this
goes to a deeper conversation when it comes to the
future of college football everything. When everybody says, look, the
Big Ten and the SEC are just gonna split apart
and do their own thing. They couldn't agree on the

(12:56):
color of the sky. You think they're just gonna all
those differences are going to be put aside, and these
two entities that have been at odds since the start
of college football are just going to automatically like, Okay,
we're buddy, buddy, now we're lockstep. Keep an eye on
this that's happening this week in Ashville, because it's going

(13:19):
to be very interesting if you're a college football fan.
Like I said, Paul Dayner coming up here in just
a minute, Klay Snowden coming up at four thirty. The
rest it's you and me kids. Let's take a break.
We'll talk to Paul right after this. The Mowager Show,
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On Tuesdays, mulagger is joined by none other than the
best Bengals beat writer in town and Paul Danner Junior
from The Athletic. We'll get to the Bengals in just
a second. I came in today, Paul and I sat down.
I handed Terran his lunch, and he asked me immediately,
I like the way you move. Do you think that's

(15:01):
better than hey, y'all?

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (15:05):
And wow, that's a tough start to that is.

Speaker 9 (15:10):
You know, I gotta say, I I respect, I like,
I like the way you move, but I just think, hey, y'all,
in how it was, it's so different from everything in
the catalog and kind of doing what they do best,
which is challenging the way that you think about their
music and you think about music sometimes.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
In the hip hop world.

Speaker 9 (15:31):
I think that sends me to to say, hey, US
is still superior.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
And then the next song he played was Roses, and
I said, I think that's better than both of them.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
I can disagree, I would disagree. I would disagree with that.

Speaker 9 (15:45):
It's fine, fine, Although I don't like to parse through
Hall of Fame resumes.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Sure, sure, I mean, but sometimes one season is better
than another.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
It's it's true. It's true.

Speaker 9 (15:57):
Are you are you gonna try to? Are you to
try to attend any Hall of Fame ceremonies.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I've looked at it, Paul. It's one. I'm a huge
also a huge Jack White, White Stripes fan, so this
is like the pinnacle for me to be able to
get to this thing in November. But I don't The
football schedule makes it difficult. I don't know if I
can just take a week off at the end of
the season. Very difficult. And they hold it in LA

(16:22):
It's not in Cleveland. It's not in Cleve Cleveland. I
would have been there for sure, Yes, La is a
little bit more of an adventure, A.

Speaker 9 (16:30):
Little tougher, Yeah, a little little tougher, A little tougher self.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Uh, Paul, I have a question right out of the gate, yep,
does this front office value the off season as the
off season program, the the off season happenings as much
as they should? Because when I hear Trey Hendrickson is
now back in negotiations or the two sides are talking

(16:54):
to try to get a deal done, I look at
it and say, well, didn't we just have like a
couple things that went on through the off season that
he could have been a part of and it would
have been nice. But now you're going to negotiate with
him with five weeks left until training camp. We've seen
this with other players that go into camp. We have
seen the Bengals start slow, like the distractions. Is it

(17:16):
something that maybe this front office might need to look
and say, hey, maybe we should be a little more
aggressive and attacking our off season program or is that
out of bounce.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
I don't know that it plays here.

Speaker 9 (17:29):
I think that you know, I think the off season
program is not it's it's not viewed through the light
of oh Man we're gonna be out here getting work done,
especially when you talk about veterans.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
I think it's a little different in sure Lensis Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 9 (17:47):
But like, I just it's really like I know that
people want to think that a lot's getting done. I
just it's just there's so many limitations to what you
can do when you're out there. I think the stuff
that happens in the meeting rooms and all of that
is important. I think that there could be a little
bit more intensity taken to some of the off season

(18:10):
stuff in terms of, well, maybe you could have some
eleven on.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Eleven or seven on seven.

Speaker 9 (18:17):
But Zach Taylor explained to me this week because've asked
him a bunch about this, and he said, you know,
we did take it more seriously and you but it
seemed like as you did that during that time of
year in terms of the actual what you're doing eleven
on eleven, like more physical stuff, pushing the limits a

(18:38):
little bit more that guys would like they catch a
nick here there, or you just have a little bit
of an injury that would happen, or you beat up
their bodies a little bit. Because it's not nothing out
there when you're doing it, and then they feel like,
you know, they're starting from not starting from where they
want to start to when they get to training camp.
And that's where they've kind of refocused everything to just

(19:00):
when they get to training camp, not feel like they're
recovering from someone. You want them to show up they're
feeling like they're in the best shape of their life
season as we always joke about, but like to feel
like they're really there and not kind of having to
recover from a little bit of something when the payoff
just isn't totally there. So this strategy that he has

(19:22):
employed for the last you know, five years really since
he kind of went the other way at the beginning,
was of being taking the reins off a little bit
this time of year with a more of a focus
on people showing up to camp healthy and fully ready
to go and understanding exactly what they're getting into.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
So I don't know if.

Speaker 9 (19:42):
That's not taking it serious enough. I think it's a
calculated decision on when you can get the most out
of your players.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
How About from the front office side, though, because it
feels like they look at like contract stuff right they
they see the deadline as like opening day, right, like
the first game of the season is when they have decided,
like we need to get this done before the first
game of the season is. There may be a little
more urgency needed there so that these things aren't a

(20:14):
distraction like throughout the off season as we've seen what
this is four in.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
A row earlier. Yeah, I mean you'd like to get
stuff done earlier. I think I don't.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
Here's I mean they have, there's no doubt, like you
don't what's happened in camp with guys on the side
and the distraction and all of that has impacted things,
you know, changing what they view as the deadline. Maybe
that's It's just they're just so often are negotiating where

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they don't relent until the deadline shows up and then
something gets done.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
I wouldn't disagree with you, no one. I mean it's
not good.

Speaker 9 (20:58):
I just think they, you know, are gonna value trying
to accomplish what they want in the negotiation more than
worrying about someone using their leverage of not participating in
camp or threatening they're not playing games. Changing that and
we know that discussion. It's one that shmar Stewart said
out loud. A couple of weeks ago. But like you know,

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so I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
I also know that you know you can say you
want them.

Speaker 9 (21:27):
To act differently than they have their entire time all
you want to. It's not gonna matter because it's not
gonna change.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Are you gonna take the side of I don't want
it to change because it's great for summer content, for
Paul Dayer Junior and the athletic.

Speaker 9 (21:40):
Let me tell you what, Chad, The last thing that
I want to do is cover more of this craw. Okay,
I cannot stress to you how annoyed I am and
how much I cannot stand.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
Having to parse through eight words of rookie.

Speaker 9 (21:56):
Contract language and clauses and like and this, and have
it to worry about what's going win. Could during your
vacation somebody decide, Oh, today's the day that we're gonna
say that Trey Hendrickson sneeze sideways towards paid Course Stadium,
So we're gonna call that a development in the deal.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Like, it's just exhausting.

Speaker 9 (22:18):
It's exhausting, and I don't think it's what people love
about football. I get it's part of it. We cover it.
I'm here for it. We're doing it.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
I am. I get exhausted.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
By that stuff.

Speaker 9 (22:29):
It's like very refreshing to go yesterday and be like,
can we just write and talk about stuff that's happened
on the field over the last couple of months, because
I think people lose track of how fun that part
can be.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I will say, though, at least you're not your colleague
senior sports writer at the Athletic Justin Williams, who has
somehow become a law in sports expert. Which, yeah, poor Justin.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
He's always been very loyally to me. Yeah yeah, he's
always he's always got it. He's always got everything taken
care of him buttoned up. So I get it. I
get it. I trust whatever Justin says.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
He's far smarter than me, and I trust whatever he says.
I just think he thought he was going to be
covering games and not courtrooms.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
No, No, that's not what college athletics is anymore.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
No, it's courtrooms. It's courtrooms far more than it is games.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Joe Burrow, by all accounts, has been outstanding through the
offseason program. It clearly means something to him. What do
you look at when you watched how incredible he was
last year, and people say, is there even more room
for him? Or is that like peak Joe Burrow. Do
you look at what you've seen and say there's there's

(23:43):
still even another level that this guy can get to.

Speaker 9 (23:48):
Well, I mean, you reach a certain level where there's
no sure higher, you know, But I will say this,
I think every year he comes in with some kind
of point of emphasis or something he's trying to get
a little bit better.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
We saw that kind of the playmaking thing.

Speaker 9 (24:03):
Was it last year, a couple of years ago, it
was check downs? You know, it was always there's always
something that he's sees in his game. He got bigger
and stronger, try to use his legs a little more
at one point. He's always kind of looking for that
thing and that angle and where he thinks he can
improve in attacking it. And almost to one hundred percent

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he has accomplished that. And it's been pretty wild to
see as when he figures out this thing that he
wants to be better at, man, he goes out and
you see it come to light every fall. Well, this
year it seems to be the fast start. Now, granted
that's what everybody's been talking about. But I also think
it's really easy to pin so much of it back
to Burrow being a slow starter. That has come for

(24:48):
reasons that obviously, you know, I don't want to have
to repeat every ailment. We know what has happened early
in these seasons, and that that's been as much a
part of it as anything. But I think that the
attack with Chief had in terms of talking about it,
focusing on it, recognizing it is an issue, taking ownership
over it of we all. I need to be playing

(25:10):
better earlier. We've got to fix this problem. That is,
you know, to me, has sounded like his channel. You
see it in the way that he's not just talked
about things, but the way he's been playing and taking
it serious out there in the offseason program. So I I,
you know, I think he's in a good place with that,
and you can see that, you can feel that part

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and be like, man, I think you could certainly see
him coming out and being, uh, you know, picking up
right where he was at the end of last season
early this year.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
When it comes to the defense, what what do you
think is the key? And as shaky as they have been, obvious,
there's more than one key. To getting this defense turned around.
But what do you think is maybe the most important
thing you'll be watching a month from now when camp starts,
when it comes to can this defense? Because I think
we all agree just get to the middle of the pack.

(26:02):
You don't need to be top ten, you don't need
to really even be top fifteen. But if you can
be somewhere in that fifteen to twenty range, you're gonna
give Joe Burrow the chance to win a ton of
football games. What is that step or two that you
think this defense needs to get there?

Speaker 9 (26:18):
All those young players on the defensive line, all of them,
I mean, is anybody taking a leap? Is anybody giving
you something? Is it gonna be Miles Murphy? Is it
gonna be Chris Jenkins? Are you gonna get something from
m kim Lee Jackson? Are you gonna get a little
bit more out of even Joseph ASAI throw him in

(26:40):
that conversation? Obviously we're gonna at some point probe probably
be talking about Tamar Stewart actually playing. Is how far
is a long is he gonna come? How raw is
he gonna be? What can you get out of him?

Speaker 5 (26:53):
There?

Speaker 9 (26:53):
To me, I look at that defensive line, and just
where's the past extra pass We recognize the last year
that it was Trey and not much else. Well, I
don't know where outside of projection, and hope you see
that pass rush coming from this year to fix that
part of the problem, and it needs to be Jerry

(27:17):
Montgomery and getting more out of these young guys, Miles
Murphy being able to finish, Chris Jenkins developing a little
bit more of that versatility. Maybe it is some of
the run stopping nature of a guy like TJ. Slayton,
putting them in more advantageous situations where.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
They're more productive.

Speaker 9 (27:33):
But whatever it is, that young group that they have
invested in has to start giving you something.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
They have to start getting more in terms of pass
rush from that group, and.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
So whether they're starting to take the step in August,
in the preseason and early into the regular season is
going to be something very imperative to watch to.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
See in how it plays out.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Paul, I thank you very much. I know you were
probablying on this is an off day with Mow and Florida,
but I appreciate you answering the bell and giving us
a segment on your normal Paul Dayner Junior tuesdays. It
was much appreciated. Happy to do it. No days off, chat,
no days off. I'll see you in November at the
Hall of Fame Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
If there's any way to do it, I will be there.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
All right, Thanks, Paul, appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Better chat.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
There you go. Paul Dayner Junior. You can find him
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(30:21):
Nickoson and then Saturday. I'm going to Florida for for
a little while.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, you and move, but basically traded in places.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, we might pass each other in the air, maybe,
like if he's coming back early, maybe I'll be on
the flight that goes back to Florida that he comes
in and then I go out. Let's get to the phones.
Mark in Florence wants to talk some reds. Mark, what's
going on.

Speaker 11 (30:47):
My friend, Chad Brindle, That's what's going on. I gotta
get it in Chad Branda my man appreciation.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Yeah, the Reds.

Speaker 11 (30:58):
What what would it take for ree Hines to get called.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Up incriminating photos of someone I don't know? Like they've
got still got two or three guys on this roster
that don't make any sense to me. Reese Hines can't
give you more than Connor Joe really.

Speaker 11 (31:19):
Like, Yeah, I wonder why hasn't he, in your opinion,
why hasn't he gotten a more extended look like everybody
else has?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
I agree?

Speaker 11 (31:32):
What hasn't he done?

Speaker 12 (31:33):
Me?

Speaker 11 (31:36):
Is this personal? Is it politics?

Speaker 13 (31:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (31:39):
The only thing I wonder, Mark, is I wonder if
they've decided he's like a four A guy, that that
he's just a guy that looks great in triple A
and struggles to make the jump. We've seen a little
bit out of him when he's come up, but then
he's cooled off pretty quickly and kind of vanishes. And

(31:59):
I just wonder if the front office has made that
determination that this is a guy we don't necessarily believe in.
I mean, you know, we did this for remember remember
way back in the day, this name always sticks in
my head as like the ultimate four A guy. Remember
Brandon Larsen and how many times, but how many times
they tried to give him a chance and he couldn't

(32:22):
do it here and every time in Triple A he
just mashed Yeah.

Speaker 11 (32:27):
But here, here's the thing, here's the difference between those
two guys. Brandon Lawson never came he up to the
big league and had a week like Reshines did last year.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
No, I get it.

Speaker 11 (32:39):
Yeah, so yeah, So at least we've seen a glimpse
of what Reshines can do. We just need to see
him get in the lineup every day to see if
he could make the adjustments to the adjustment.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Brett, I don't disagree. I just you asked me for
what I think it is. I mean, that's the only
thing that really makes sense to me is internally they've
decided this is a guy that looks great in Triple A,
but we don't trust him to night in and night
out be good in the NBA, in the in in
Major League Baseball. That's the only thing that makes sense

(33:13):
to me. Nothing else makes sense because he's doing everything
you could ask of him to do. In Louisville, there's
there's not a lot of help down there, or else
we'd see better guys coming up here when they go
to the minor leagues. This guy's performing at a high level.
Why are we not finding out? Can this translate to
major League Baseball over an extended stretch? I don't know.

Speaker 11 (33:36):
Okay, let me make a Nick Crawl comment. Then I'll
get off and listen to the rest of the show.
My opinion of him in that front office, Just go
ahead and admit to me that you going with the
young guys and you want to develop the young guys,
and just and just leave it at that. If that's

(33:57):
the case, you know you're gonna be five hundred until
them guys develop and get to that next level. Just
you know, don't I never see a vision or a
plan with this front office like I do. Which way
are we going?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Hang around five hundred? Hang around five hundred, bring and
go from there?

Speaker 11 (34:20):
We bring up well, see here's the part that confuses me.
We bring up the young guys, and then we go
out and sign Jamber to a to a debacle of
a contract, and we already had a glood of infielders.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
They ended up.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Meeting him anything they needed him last year because of
the Marte suspension.

Speaker 11 (34:45):
Okay time, but overall that that contract reminds me of
Michael Stockings.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Sure, but that's Mark. Here's here's my take on that.
That's always going to be the inherent risk you take
when you had the philosophy that the Reds employ, which
is they're shopping in that you know, damaged goods, been
that that that been of players that have done just

(35:12):
enough to get you know, some some decent money, but
not enough to get the big money. So there's always
going to be a higher chance that those guys are
a miss. Right, There's always going to be a greater
percentage when when you're shopping at guys that make eleven
twelve million dollars a year instead of guys that make
twenty o.

Speaker 11 (35:32):
Great would you would you let me ask you this,
Would you have rather Gem held on to Suarez instead
of trading him?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Sure?

Speaker 11 (35:41):
I mean that that would be a better swap. You know,
I would take over jam Or any day of the week.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Sure, But Suarez, what's his kind? He ain't making anywhere
near what Jamers making. Like he's making a lot more
money than that.

Speaker 11 (35:54):
Yeah, Yeah, he was a they signed him to a
team friendly contract and then they turned around and traded him. So,
you know, I was a little I was always kind
of confused about that. But nevertheless, I'll get off and
listen to the rest of the show.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
All right, I appreciate it, Mark. I just think it's
something inherently like when you're when you're shopping in that
ben like, you know what short store you're shopping at.
You're not shopping at a high end store. Austin Hayes,
Jamer Candelario, Mike Mustakis. But like Castianos worked, that was,

(36:32):
you know, a little bit higher. They went to a
little bit better store to shop for Nick Castianos than
they did some of these other guys. There's going to
be a higher hitting miss rate when you're shopping for
guys that aren't nearly sure things that are in that
price range that they are for a reason. Austin Hayes

(36:56):
is in that bin because he gets hurt all the time.
Guess what he's heard hurt Like, that's the inherent risk
of their philosophy of we're not going to go out
and spend twenty million dollars a year on a player.
We're going to try to find somebody that has, you know,
a breakout year and gives US twenty million dollar production

(37:17):
for eleven million dollars a year. Maybe they do that,
some of them have. But the reality is more often
than not they're going to fail at a higher clip
because you're not getting a sure thing. You're getting an
item with that's that's been returned, it's rehabbed, refurbished. You're

(37:39):
buying a scratch in dent. You're getting the floor model.
It's take a break. We're done for the hour. Tearan
or we want to come back. We want to do
all right, take a break, more aftter This the Moegger Show.
Since Anty's ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 3 (38:47):
Here we go our number two, the Mowager Show, as
it's load management summer for Mowager. He just tweeted out
a picture of the beach enjoying rubbing it in just

(39:09):
a little just I don't blame him, though, I mean.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
You want to be turning to favorite next week and
tag them.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Maybe I don't. I'm not a big social media guy.
On vacation, Taran, I kind of like to just disconnect.
I spent so much time with a phone in my
hand or you know, at my at my desk and
my office perusing for news and information and all that stuff.
And when I go on vacation, I like to kind
of get away. But I might post a pick of

(39:41):
the beach, just you know, flex on them a little bit.
I've got to We found a great rental house in
Daytona Beach, which is where I'm headed on Saturday. Big backyard,
private pool half a block from the beach. So I've
got the pool in the backyard and then the beach

(40:03):
half a block away. It's like the best of both worlds.
I'm pretty excited, and it's got a nice grill and
there's a Publix like one block away, so for me,
it's like Heaven. I think they'll definitely be a pub

(40:23):
subber two in my future. Red's back in action tonight
after a day off. They take on the Minnesota Twins.
Andrew Abbott on the mound for the home team. He
comes in with one eighty seven ERA. He is six
and one a whip at zero point nine to seven.

(40:49):
So the Reds with their ace on the hill, I
think it's it's more than fair with especially with Hunter
Green out to put a status on Andrew Abbott in
terms of his performance so far this season. They face
David Festa for the Minnesota Twins. He has started five

(41:12):
games this season. He is one and one with a
four seventy six ERA. Let's get to the lineup for
the Cincinnati Reds tonight. Do you have anything you play
when I read the lineup or anything?

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Tarran, but not this time?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Okay? TJ Friedel leading off in center, Gavin Lux the
DH batting second, Elie de la Cruz at shortstop batting third,
Tyler Stevenson the catcher batting fourth. I almost said Lance there,
I've got a question to ask you about that in
a moment, Taran, I don't know if you saw the
festivities this weekend in the Big three, oh Christian and

(41:49):
Carnascio and Strand at third batting fifth, Will Benson and
left batting sixth, Spencer Steer at first, batting seventh, Jake
Fraley in right, batting eighth, Matt McClain at second, batting seventh.
I will say this, Tarren, when you look at that lineup,

(42:09):
and if I would have told you coming into the
season we were in mid June and things have been
so bad for Spencer Steer and Matt McLain that they're
batting seventh and ninth, I would not have had the
Reds two games over five hundred. So kudos to them

(42:31):
for figuring out how to make things work and getting
the most out of their lineup, even with two guys
that I mean, maybe we're second and third on the
importance list coming into the season behind Ellie. Those two
guys have not been themselves. They have not played great baseball,

(42:51):
especially at the plate. They're batting seventh to ninth and
rightfully so. And this team is still playing fairly well
and two games over five hundred going into tonight, they
have been on a hot streak. They are playing well.
They surprised everybody by taking two or three from the Dodgers,

(43:15):
two or three from the Guardians. They swept the Diamondbacks.
I mean, if you go back to June fourth, coming
off that series loss to the Brewers where they got
smashed on a Wednesday afternoon, lost nine to one and
it felt like they were fading. They sweep the Diamondbacks,

(43:36):
they get two or three from the Guardians, they get
two or three from the Tigers. Now they go into
this series with the Twins with some momentum. Twins Cardinals
at home, Twins on the road, Cardinals at home, Yankees
and Padres at home. Wait, Twins at home, Cardinals on
the road, Yankees and Padres at home. Their next four

(43:58):
series taking you right up to the end of June.
So let's see they've had the hot streak. Let's see
if they can one continue it and if they don't
continue it, can you play five hundred baseball through this
stretch so you don't give away the fact that you've
won seven of nine. That's going to be the key

(44:25):
for this team. If they are going to get actually
into contention. I don't think you're going to ultimately be
in contention. If you're hovering around five hundred. You need
to get in a position to win eighty seven eighty
eight games to be in that wildcard conversation. Eighty one
eighty two ain't gonna do it, so an important stretch

(44:49):
coming up here. They did not make hay through the
weaker part of the schedule. Let's see if they can
do it through a little bit of a tougher part
of the schedule. The Nick Krawl comments over the weekend,
I know it sits with people the wrong way, and

(45:10):
rightfully so, because this is a messaging from the front
office to the fan base essentially that we've done all
we can. We're we're not going to have a bunch

(45:32):
of money to spend. We're not going to be able
to go and take this roster that is competing. They
are getting the most out out of what they have,
I think at this point in time, but there are

(45:52):
still improvements that need to be made if this is
going to be a team that is considered a threat.
And that's that's unfortunate because I think with their starting pitching,
you have a star player in Ellie. You've got some
pieces around him.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
TJ.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Friedel is having an awesome season so far. There are
some guys that you look at and say, hey, uh,
maybe Christian and Carnacia and Strand because of injury, uh
Steer and McLain who just haven't played well. That if
these guys start to live up to their potential, that
there is a surge in this team. And I talked

(46:31):
about this at the end of last week. One of
the reasons that I do have some some hope for
this club is that multiple times this year we have
seen these stretches of two three series where the team
plays really well. Unfortunately, so far they have met that

(46:53):
with a stretch where they they play poorly, a stretch
where the offense goes non existent and even though the
pitching is good, it's not up to hold not enough
to hold up to a higher level of competition. But
we have seen those little spurts five games, you know,

(47:16):
seven and two over the last nine three good strong,
tough series, and that's a five game swing. They were
three games under, now they're two games over. But the
key is being able to tread water in between, and
they have not been able to do that. It's been
a roller coaster. Five games up, four games under, five

(47:38):
games up, three games under, four games under, three games up,
and they've just been hovering anywhere from you know, three
four games below five hundred to three four games above
five hundred. And I think all fans want to know

(47:59):
is that the front has their back, is that the
front office is willing to look at this thing and say, Okay,
we are in the middle of June, we are in contention,
and we are open for business. We are ready to
do what it takes to get this team better, to

(48:22):
get this team in a position to make a playoff run,
and then because of the quality of their starting pitching,
to be able to be a threat in the playoffs.
And instead it gets met with or, you know, Austin,
we gotta get Austin Hayes back, What about Noel vi Marte?

(48:45):
What about Hunter Green if we can get him healthy?
And the frustrating part for me, and I think for
many is this is what we hear every year. This
is is the line that we're fed anytime this team
feels like it's close. The line isn't win at all costs.

(49:10):
The line is we built the team we built going
into the season, and that's what we're gonna ride with
as much as as you know we can. Injuries happen.
You're never gonna have a year where you're in June

(49:30):
and July and there's not a piece here and a
piece there missing. And guess what the likelihood is that
you're gonna get one or two of those pieces back
and one or two other pieces are gonna be missing
because of injuries. That's the reality of one hundred and
sixty two game baseball season. That's how it goes. That's

(49:54):
what we do. Guys are going get banged up. It's
a long season. You're playing every day for six months.
You get what two three off days a month. Other
than that you're playing baseball. Things are gonna happen. Guy's
gonna have a hamstring flare up, or his arm's gonna

(50:15):
be sore. You know, it's gonna have an oblique strain,
a shoulder impingement. Some things are going to be part
of that journey over one hundred and sixty two games.
Your response as a front office cannot be well, we
hope hope is not a strategy. By the way, we

(50:37):
hope everything goes perfectly, and if everything does go perfectly,
then we'll be okay. Go look at some teams around baseball.
The Dodgers pitching has been in shambles this season. Shambles

(50:59):
this season. Has it stopped them from being good. It's
maybe stopped them from being dominant. But last I checked,
they're forty four and twenty nine, fifteen games over five hundred,

(51:23):
and they're doing that in spite of a lot of injuries,
of guys being banged up. Look, I know the Reds
don't have the resources of the Dodgers, can't just throw
money at it like LA does. But ultimately, it is

(51:45):
still your responsibility to be prepared for when those things happen,
to be in a situation where you're not asking a
ton out of you know, Connor, Joe Hamble. Like you

(52:12):
look at the miners, there's nobody there that's even close
to ready. They're top prospects at the plate twenty one,
twenty twenty one, nineteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one, nineteen.
Those guys aren't ready to come up here and make
a big splash. Yet none of them are in triple

(52:34):
A Sal Stewart, double A Cam Callier, I think he
might be in triple or double A now Edwin Arroyo
double A, Alfredo Dunn single A, Sammy Steforo single A,
Tyson Lewis rookie league, Ricky Cabrera a plus, Hector Rodriguez

(52:57):
double A. None of these guys are ready, so they
haven't done enough internally to be ready for the rigors
of a full season. That means as a general manager,
you have to be able to go out and do
better than Connor Joe. That's why fans are frustrated. That's

(53:23):
why fans look at this thing and say, you're not serious.
You're not a serious organization that is committed to winning
at the highest level. All that they've learned over the
past ten to fifteen years is that they don't They
can't be terrible. They can't afford to be terrible in

(53:46):
this town because people won't come. They can't be a
ninety hundred lost team. They've learned that. Unfortunately, what they
learned is not the ALTERI alternative, let's be one hundred
win team. What they've learned is let's be an eighty
win team because people are gonna come to the ballpark

(54:07):
and people are gonna pay attention and people are gonna
be here and we're gonna make money. They learned half
the lesson. They quit going to school at the semester break.
If you think it's good now, how good do you
think it would be if you're eight ten games over
five hundred right now and the city was buzzing about

(54:29):
the Reds being in first place in the division or
competing with the Cubs first place in the division and
steamrolling towards the postseason. You do that, you make more money,
and then it justifies that you spent more money to
get there. Not We're just gonna do everything we can

(54:52):
to not be terrible. We're gonna hang out around average
and we're gonna count and our fans being suckers because
that's what they're doing right now. And that's what that
Nick Krawl statement, that Kral conversation says to me. We're
right where we want to be. Why would we change anything.

(55:14):
We're right where we want to be, hovering around five
hundred all season, hovering around relevant, and we didn't have
to go out of our way to go from relevant
to really good. And that's why people are angry. That's

(55:34):
what ticks people off. Klas Snoden coming up in about
ten fifteen minutes, and when we come back, Tarn, we're
giving away Club Cup tickets. Do we want to tell
people to get in line?

Speaker 9 (55:52):
Now?

Speaker 3 (55:52):
How do you want to do this? You hold my
hand and lead the way.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Let's talk about it. Doing to break this. I'm not
sure how we going to do this either.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
The radio planning at its finest. Taran and I are
going to figure out what we're gonna do at the break.
But if you're looking for Club Cup tickets, well, this
Saturday's game, for this Saturday's game, those are coming up
after the break, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. Listen closely. This

(56:33):
is I love this, Arran. I think this is great.
So you know, when Taran and I team up together,
we play a lot of really good bumper music. So
when we do contests, when I'm filling in for mo,
We're gonna play guests that bumper. I'm not singing this time, Tarran.

(56:56):
We need we need the artist and the feature, right,
not just the artist, but the artist and the feature.
Who else is on the track? And the name of
the song is that what we're looking for.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
This is the name of the song. Okay, all three
will kind of be chi ken that shit, I.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Mean, but the feature is like the that's the if.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
You know you know. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (57:15):
But and if you're listen with Shays on, you should
you should know you should know this one.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
What I will say is these as I as we
do this more, now I love this. I think this
is great. As we do this more, they're going to
be more difficult. But we'll start off easy. You just
need the name of the song, right, yes, okay. If
you're looking for Club Cup tickets this Saturday TQL Stadium,

(57:42):
call in now, give us the name of the song,
and you win the tickets. What if nobody calls five one, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty gets the name of this song and you
get tickets to the Club Cup being hosted at TQL Stadium.

Speaker 15 (58:02):
No one calls, We'll try again in five o'clock hour.
We have to give away these tickets. Yeah, we have
to give away these tickets. It's not good if we
don't tarn all right, Well, the debut of guess that
bumper music not going great. I guess We'll try again

(58:26):
in the five o'clock hour. You might that might have
been too deep a cut.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
I mean, but if they listen every time you're.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
On, they should know that one. That one's a regular
as it's in heavy rotation and it's one of my favorites.
That's okay. I guess we'll take a break. When we
come back play Snowden will join us to talk some
red space. Well, we got one, we got one. Hold on,
let me just take it live on air.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
Yes, but they are on the air.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Caller, you are live on the air, So be good.
Name that song, name that tune.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
That song is.

Speaker 11 (59:05):
It ain't all good by day La Soul was Shaka Khan.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
See, we got all three parts, Tarran. We got an
all star right there, man.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
You gotta know it, gotta know it.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
I mean, look, a lot of people like Dayla. The
old day Law potholes in my lawn. Day La Soul
is dead, but the New day Law was really good.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
Too, right, almost underrated. I think they're.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Right up there, they're right up there. Who am I
talking to? Gregory? Please hold Tarran will get your information
and we will get you tickets. All right, thanks brother,
awesome good stuff.

Speaker 15 (59:40):
And for those of the calling an on lines two
and three, we'll play another game in.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
The five o'clock hour. Yeah, that was good. I like
that he got he got Dayla and Shaka Khan and
the name of the song. I feel vindicated. This is
my new favorite thing. We're gonna have to come up
with something to give away, uh, pretty much every time
I'm in for the rest of the week.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Now, well, actually, we have to give away tickets every
day of this week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Oh perfect, and we're going to play guesst that bumper
music every time. Yeah, love it all right, let's take
a break. Play s Notden coming up from Just Baseball
right after this Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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This report is sponsored by REP rolling right along in
our number two. Twelve days ago, it's been twelve days.

(01:01:13):
I was on this very radio station, talking into this
very microphone to one Clase Noden. Following the Reds nine
to one lost to the Milwaukee Brewers. Things looked rough.
They were three games under five hundred, and it felt
like fading fast. Fast forward twelve days later, they have

(01:01:39):
won seven of nine and they are dare I say,
giving us reason to be optimistic? Those twelve days ago
when I had thirteen days ago, when I texted Clay
to come on with me, we were both pretty depressed
about the state of the Cincinnati Reds. I don't think
that is the case right now, Clay, Hey, what do

(01:02:00):
you think? By the way, Klay Snoden? Just baseball? What's up?

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Clay?

Speaker 13 (01:02:05):
Isn't it funny how quickly this turns around and stay
from now? We could be talking about how stupid we
were for going in. That's part of one hundred and
sixty two game season. Almost every single team will have
a bad stretch and a good stretch. It just comes
down to how many of each you get?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Well? I kind of disagree, Clay. I think the difference
is how many times you can just tread water after
the hot stretch, because that's what we've seen this season,
right They'll they'll go four and one over five or
win seven of nine, and then immediately they'll drop four

(01:02:42):
or five and they'll just give it right back. Like
this team has not shown the ability to tread water
so that when you do hit those hot streaks, you're
at five hundred and then now you're five games over
five hundred instead of two. That's what I think has
been this team's biggest problem. They either say or swim.
There's no there's no floating for this Reds team.

Speaker 13 (01:03:04):
Yeah, it would be great if we could see some
sustained success, like you're saying, you know, if we could
get a month of pretty consistent play, winning series, and
even if it's just kind of inching towards, you know,
climbing out of the hole that they kind of got
themselves into an extent, and I think that would be welcomed,

(01:03:26):
especially now as we're getting closer to the trade deadline.
Still about a month and a half away, man, but
you know how it is, it gets earlier each year
We talk about it earlier and earlier each year. We
don't even know who's in or out, but you know
everyone wants to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Nick crawl over the weekend, open mouth, insert foot kind
of deal, which is pretty standard whenever this front office
communicates with its fan base, when are they going to
get away from this? We hear it. Ever, well, if
we were just healthy, we were just help man. We
just gotta get We got to get our guys back.
If we were just how it is a one hundred and

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sixty two baseball one hundred and sixty two game baseball season,
you are never going to be healthy. Stop it.

Speaker 13 (01:04:16):
Yeah, this is just look around the league. Go look
at every forty man roster in the league, and you're
gonna see a ton of eyel players. Like that's just
the nature of playing a season this long. Like it's
different with football when you can kind of say one
injury really derailed the season. Sure, so when you have

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this many games like it is part of a marathon,
like this is exactly what it is you want. You know,
here runners talk about, well, I'm the best eighteen mile runner,
but man, those last few just get me every time. Like, no,
that's not how it works, the need to build for
a marathon, and you know that's part of the issue

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is that the depths being tested and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
They haven't developed any like that. You know, they brought
up this group of really really talented players two years ago,
and Clay My concern is when I was just looking
at the the prospects list, especially offensively, Sal Stewart double

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A twenty one years old, not close. Cam Callier just
got promoted to double A twenty years old, not close,
Edwin Arroyo twenty one years old, double A, not close,
Alfredo Dunn nineteen single A, Sammy uh, what's his last name?
Stofer stofer a twenty years old single A Tyson Lewis

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rookie ball. Like, I think that has been a big
detriment to this team is they didn't have anything after
this group of day Light Cruise and Steer and McLain
and those guys. Yeah, and they're paying for it.

Speaker 13 (01:05:55):
Right now exactly. And it's it's brutal and no disrespect.
But there's literally no reason to watch the Louisville Bats.
There are so few players that will ever make an
impact with the Reds on the Bats roster that it's
it's really not worth the time, and the majority of
players are that are interesting at least in my eyes,

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are in double A. And even you look at the
Dayton Dragon's roster and it's lacking. So you're talking about
a couple of big gaps, and then you get down
to the rookie ball players and low A players and
they're such a coin flip and so far away you
don't really know what to make of them. So, yeah,
the prospect pool, it does have some nice pieces in it,

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and they're you know, highlighted on prospect lists for better
or worse. I know we all have different opinions on those,
and but like you said, it's it's not so much
these guys are in triple, double, single, it's all kind
of flowing like you'd like to see. It's kind of
a clump and you hope the next clump. Well, but

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the current one with McLane and Ellie, that whole group
that came up, I think Ellie's been really good. Obviously,
McLain and steer ces they are kind of struggling, and
I think that's just such a big reason why this
team can't just take off.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah, if I would have told you at the beginning
of the season. That we are on June seventeenth, Clay,
and I'm reading you the roster and Spencer Steer is
batting seventh and Matt McLain is batting ninth, because those

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are the spots in the order that they have earned. Essentially,
at this point in time, what would you have predicted
the Reds record to have.

Speaker 13 (01:07:45):
Been, oh, twenty four to twenty five wins. Yeah, they're
at thirty seven, I believe. I mean, that's truly a
disaster situation. Everyone is counting on Matt McLain to be
a big piece and he has been playing well as
of late, and you know, sometimes injuries take longer, YadA, YadA.

(01:08:07):
You know, I'm I'm not here to talk about the excuse.
I'm here to talk about the actual performance. And the
bottom line is he's it's you know, middle of June
and he's just now starting to get going well. Those
past two two and a half months happened and we
lost ball games because of it. So it's not me
saying he can't be productive going forward. It's he still

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was unproductive for such a long period of time that
it hurt the team and that has to be in consideration,
same with Steer. Of course, we'd love to see these
guys get going and that changes the trajectory of this team.
But you know, it's kind of like a puzzle where
you can't find all the pieces what happens Then then
someone gets injured. Then it seems like every time some

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slight thing gets pushed off course, everything derails for a
moment and it takes a while to kind of get
it back together.

Speaker 12 (01:09:01):
I'd like to see more of an operation.

Speaker 13 (01:09:03):
You know, something bad happens, you plug and play, You
keep the momentum going, and hopefully we are able to
see that over the next month. Because they are playing
some pretty good baseball right now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
They are I just still there are there are times
I look at this thing and I say, are we
really still you know, talking about Connor, Joe, Garrett Hampson,
you know, guys that probably shouldn't be on this team,

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but they are, and they're getting important at bats over
guys like Reese Hines. I had that question earlier, how
is Reese hign What has he got to do to
get up here? But I just I look at it
and I think, man, I struggle to find a way
to see them going on an extended run where they
do play consistent you know, five six games over five

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hundred for a month or something of that nature to
put themselves in contention, because I just don't think the
roster right now is stable enough to do that.

Speaker 13 (01:10:07):
Neither do I. And it is kind of scary when
you're sitting there and there's so many moves. And it's
not to say I know what I'm talking about, but
when everybody's confused on the moves and everyone's wondering why
Conner Joe's on the roster and Race Hines is in
the mind, you know, there's a constant, just head scratching moves.

(01:10:27):
It makes you wonder how much faith do we have
in them building this roster for whatever reason, it being
poor general managing, poor ownership, you know, I'm sure it's
a combination of multiple things. And if they have a
good enough stretch and it gets to the point where
it's obvious, okay, this team is in a position to

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make moves, will they And we've already highlighted the lack
of minor league let's just say readily available players. Are
you gonna be willing to trade those players that are
several years away? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Ched.

Speaker 13 (01:11:06):
It's a thing where it's kind of like, yeah, I
obviously want them to win every game, but man, I'm
scared of the answer I may get if they're seven
games over at the deadline and don't do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
The problem with trying to trade those lower guys as
high leverage pieces play is you're gonna have to trade
two or three of them to get a pretty high
level guy. You know, if you've got one guy, like
you've got a glut at a position, and you've got
a guy that's maybe a top ten prospect in your system,
but he's blocked and he's expendable, and you can make

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that trade and you can probably go get something pretty
nice for a top ten guy in your system that's
maybe a top one hundred, top one, twenty five guy
in baseball, But ultimately with the position that the Reds
are in, unless you're giving up one of the young
stud pitchers, which I'm not totally against. I wouldn't give

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up Chase Burns, but i'd listen on pretty much everybody yet,
like Hunter Green and your Rabbit, Chase Burns, everybody else,
I'd take your call.

Speaker 13 (01:12:14):
Sure, Sure, And that's what it comes down to is
in order to get something of value, you have to
give something of value and it should hurt. If you're
making a move and it doesn't hurt, then it's only yeah,
like oh, wait up, we only had to give up
so and so. Oh we must have got Connor.

Speaker 12 (01:12:34):
Joe in return, you know what I mean.

Speaker 13 (01:12:37):
Or if it's something, oh my gosh, we gave up
all that. Like sometimes at this point and I know
this sounds maybe just stupid, but at this point, like
I want to know what that feels like. I want
to know what it feels like to say, oh, my gosh,
we gave up that much. Okay, Well, at least I
know that they are willing to be risky, because right

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now it's it's a lot of low risk moves year
after year and kind of waiting for the stars cell line,
all of these players to develop, all of these low
level free free agents to have career years all at
the exact same time. Everybody's playing well at the same time,
no injuries, boom, there's our good team. How often does

(01:13:19):
that happen? Very rarely. You have to be able to
make trades, adjust rosters on the fly midway through the year.
Say this isn't good enough. That's upgrade, and I think
the Reds are going to have to do that if
they want any chance of making the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Well, I had a caller earlier, Clay that was, you know,
talking about Jamer Candelario and the myss that was that
was there with him, Mike Mustakas was essentially a miss
A and a similar grouping. But for me, when that
is the story you're shopping at that that's got Mike

(01:13:57):
Mustakas and Jamer Candelario on the rack, like you're gonna
miss more than you hit. You're gonna get home and go, Man,
this doesn't look as good as I thought it did
when I was in the store, because those guys are
they're not great prospects. They're guys that you know, there's
a reason that they're gonna make ten million or whatever,
but there's also a reason they're not gonna make twenty.

Speaker 13 (01:14:19):
Yeah, and there's a reason why a lot of those
level of players do not end up on the best team.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:14:25):
Even if it was the same amount of money, I
think the Reds had to overpay to get Jamer Kane Lario.
He made he signed of one year, five million dollar
deal the year before you signed with the Reds. This
was a guy who was non tendered, wasn't offered a
contract by the Detroit Tigers. Now, he's been a solid
player throughout his career. He sets him up and downs,

(01:14:47):
but solid enough, and I think he deserved to get
a deal. I was shocked that it was from the Reds,
and I was really shocked by the money. Can you
talk about a player here though, like he might be nothing.
I mean, I don't know what what's going to happen
when he comes back, but I just can't count on him.
And that type of deal is when you say, okay,

(01:15:07):
do they continue to make those deals or do they
get shy because it's burned them? The answer should be
you should continue. If you're at the blackjack table and
you lose three hands in a row, you should probably
play the fourth hand, right, And I think that's kind
of the mentality they need to have. I don't know
if they will or won't, but they've got to keep

(01:15:27):
trying to improve this team through more ways than just
draft and develop.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Real quick, I got about forty five seconds left. Give
me your thoughts on the Minnesota Twins and the Red's
ability to take this series coming up that starts tonight.

Speaker 13 (01:15:42):
Twins are in a pretty similar vote to the Reds.
Really some talent on the ross are a lot of
questions and some disappointments sprinkled around them, and I think
that they match up well with the Reds. You got
Andrew Abbott on the mound tonight, David Festa for the Twins,
young pitcher. I like the Reds at least in this
first game. Let's win the first game. See if they

(01:16:05):
can't continue this momentum.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Plays all in on the guy with a six and
one record in one to eighty seven era. I mean
you really, I mean you really really pushed the boundaries, Clay.
Where can they find you?

Speaker 13 (01:16:20):
Just base on dot Com, on Twitter, whatever it is,
Just search my name.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
All right, You're the best brother. Thank you talk soon.
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Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
I agree, especially coming up with one fly.

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batting seventh, Freehley batting eighth, and Wright and McLean at
second batting ninth. Andrew Abbot six and one on seventy
seven era on the mound for the Reds. They will

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face David Festa, who is one in one on the season.
He has started five games. He's pitched twenty two innings,
twenty five strikeouts. The good news he's a righty. Sometimes
the Reds face these lefties, it can go a little

(01:20:06):
south on them. But hopefully good news for the Reds
tonight as they get their ace, they get their number
one guy, Andrew Abbott on the mound, facing a Twins
team that has lost four in a row. Reds are hot,

(01:20:26):
Twins are cold. Let's see how that goes. I wanted
to get into this because I think it's interesting as
this all develops, and and we'll get back into the
Reds and Bengals in a little bit, although real quick
tearing Pacers lose last night, Tyrese Haliburton clearly not one

(01:20:52):
playing on a a bum leg, which is unfortunate because
I think this had a chance to be legendary series
that we talked about for a long time. But with
Halliburton not at one hundred percent, you now have Oklahoma
City up three to two, and I think it's it's

(01:21:15):
impending doom for the Pacers right they're they're I was
shocked at how well they were able to hang in
there with Halliburton not playing well yesterday, but ultimately they
got it back to three and then the thunder pulled
away down the stretch. This one's pretty much over, doesn't
it feel like?

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:21:33):
I mean, if Ali Barn's one, like I said, if
he's about fifty percent, I mean, I know he's gonna
go out there and try to play Game six, but
if he can't be effective offensively, yeah, it's pretty much
over all those Jakam tried to say him last night.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
He tried, but Williams got forty and Shay got what
thirty four something like that. So when those two guys
are going for seventy five and Hallie gets you four. Yeah,
it's not a good look for the Pacers right now.
And that stinks, Like you wanted to see this thing

(01:22:09):
come down to the end with both having their best
on the floor playing at their best. It just feels
like for the Pacers not having Halley at full strength
is uh, that's bad news for.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
Andy what they had to close out game four?

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
They Yeah, if they close out game four like that,
then you just you just got to get one more.
And I think they could have found a way to
squeeze one out, especially uh that game six and Indy
what is that Thursday?

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Thursday?

Speaker 15 (01:22:40):
Yeah, I probably would have tried to even like say,
sit Halley out maybe last night and just go all
land for Game six if they would have won Game four.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
But it's unfortunate because I really really like both of
these teams. I like how both of these teams are constructed.
I enjoy the the brand of basketball that both play.
I am hopeful that with so much of you know,
sports being copycat, teams look at the construction of these

(01:23:13):
two rosters, they look at the way that these two
teams play. Both are you know, at Oklahoma, Citi's obviously
elite defensively, but I still think Indiana plays really good defense.
And then they can both score in multiple ways. They
they can dance the different dances, they can slow it down,
they can speed it up, they can hit the three.

(01:23:36):
They're aggressive to the rim. I just really enjoy the
brand of basketball that we're getting in this finals. I
just wish it was with Halley at one hundred percent,
but that's how the game goes sometimes, my friend I agree.

Speaker 15 (01:23:49):
And for people who don't want to watch because there's
no quote unquote superstars in this you missed the phenomenal
NBA Finals.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Yeah, it's been great so far. I mean, all five
games have been compelling, and it will be uh, it'll
be kind of depressing if we don't. You know, hopefully
Halle comes like game six in Indy, he can come
back and get you thirty and really get it to

(01:24:18):
a game seven. I think it's inevitable that Oklahoma City
would win on their home floor and seven, but I'd
love to see it at least get there. I don't
feel great about it, though. I don't feel great about it.
The College Football Playoff Committee, the group that kind of

(01:24:40):
handles the rules and how the playoff is set is
meeting today and tomorrow in Ashville, North Carolina. The number
one kind of topic on the table is the twenty
twenty six college football playoffs, so not at the end
of this season, but at the end of the following season,

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and the possibility of like will it expand will it
be you know, twelve teams, fourteen teams, sixteen teams. We
thought we had a handle on things coming into the
spring where the Big ten in the SEC, if you

(01:25:24):
don't know, they are in charge of any changes that
are made to the format, like that they are making
those decisions unilaterally. And the belief was going into the
SEC meetings in Destin a couple of weeks ago that

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the Big ten in the SEC would both be in
favor of a format that gave each conference for automatic
qualifying bids to the College Football Playoff, and then the
Big twelve and the ACC would each get two automatic
qualifying spots, the Group of Five would get one, and
then there would be three at large selections. But the

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SEC kind of threw a curveball and they said they
want the committee to change the selection process to more
favorably view strength of schedule, and that if the selection
committee was able to put that in where strength of
schedule was kind of the you know, the driving factor

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in how at large teams were selected. Then the SEC
would move from eight conference games to nine conference games,
which has you know, been a hold up for them
for a while. The Big Ten and the Big twelve
have nine, the SEC and the ACC have eight. And
that led to what you would see from the SEC
is every year. If you wondered why, in November, they

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had a sun Belt Week where every SEC school played
somebody in the Sun Belt the week before the end
of the last game of the regular season. That's why
the SEC was only playing eight games. So if the
committee decides to change the selection process to put more

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weight on strength of schedule, then the SEC wants to
instead go to the five eleven model, which means the
top five conferences get automatic qualifying bids into the College
Football Playoff and then there are eleven at large spots
behind those five, And that is what pretty much everybody

(01:27:39):
else is in favor of, outside of the Big Ten.
But it was thought the SEC and the Big Ten
would work together, they would both be on the same page,
and that we would see the four four two to
two one model kind of fast tracked, so they would
go to sixteen teams, and they would go to that model.

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The SEC has switched course, and they are leaning towards
the five eleven as long as they get what they're
asking for in terms of the change to strength of schedule.
And I find it interesting because this is very telling
when it comes to the future of college football. It

(01:28:20):
is believed that these two teams who make the most
of these two conferences, who make the most money, everybody
seems to believe at some point in time they will
break away and that they will kind of do their
own thing and that everybody else will be left in
their wake. And I have long said that I don't

(01:28:41):
think that that is as simple as people think, because
you are dealing with two groups that have never agreed
really upon anything. They have been at odds at the
top of the sport for decades, and they don't see

(01:29:01):
things eye to eye really on anything. There's very little
that the SEC and the Big Ten can agree on
other than we, uh, we have more money than everybody else,
so we should make all the rules. And when it
comes down to it, that would mean those two entities

(01:29:22):
would have to work together as one to decide what
the structure would be going forward, whether they stay in
this group or they go out on their own. And
I don't know how you see it, Taren, but I
don't see these I don't. You're a Big ten guy.
I'm kind of I don't really have a dog in

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either fight. I don't see these two ever agreeing on anything.
I don't see them ever finding a common ground. I
truly believe that the SEC looked at the Big Ten
wanted to go the four four two two one, and
the SEC looked at it and said, wait a minute.
I don't think that. I don't think we want what

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makes them happy. We want our own thing, We want
our own way of doing it, because we want to
be the ones that are in control, and we want
to be the ones that make the decision. And if
we went with them, it would be it would be
agreeing to what they feel is best for the Big Ten.
I think it's a show of power by Greg Sanke
and the SEC, which is what Greg Sank and the

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SEC do. Do you ever see them getting along and
finding common ground here?

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
Nope?

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
I don't either, And that puts me in a position
where what are we looking at for the future of
college sports, that the two entities that are that are
supposed to govern the path forward will never be on
the same page. It's not a great sign, is it.

Speaker 15 (01:30:58):
Let's just keep chaining four mats every time we get
into form, met Ohio State wins.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
So, I mean, I get where the SEC is coming
from in this, and a lot of people have made
Greg Sankey the big guy, And I'm not here to
be a Greg sankeie apologist by any stretch of the imagination.
What I will say is Greg Sanke is paid to
make decisions that are in the best interest of the

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Southeastern Conference. He's not paid to keep an eye out
on what also is the best interest of the Big Ten.
So he's always going to skew two what is best
for me, what makes me stronger, and what might make

(01:31:45):
the Big ten a little less strong Because you know what, Taran,
that's never really talked about in these things. The Big
Ten is always going to make more money than the SEC. Always.
They have bigger media markets, they have stronger, larger land

(01:32:05):
grant institutions, and they're in a position to hold a
bigger piece of the pie than the SEC. Ever, will
the SEC feels like we are the flagship of college football.

(01:32:27):
We are the best of the best, and more often
than not they've earned that distinction. But the Big Ten
is the group that's making more money. And I think
that's where there is a bridge that's never going to
be able to be fixed, to be crossed between the

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two sides, because the SEC wants the power, but the
Big Ten has the money. So keep an eye on
what comes out of these meetings this week, because I
have a feeling we're headed towards a standoff that could
result in no playoff expansion for twenty twenty six, that

(01:33:12):
could result and this thing being getting messy, because what
happens in these things when when two sides don't agree
and it delays progress, they start taking shots at each other.
Greg Zankie did it a couple weeks ago, taking shots
at the Big twelve. You think of the Big Ten

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in the SEC don't agree and can't find common ground
and can't get on the same page, that they're not
going to start lobbing grenades at each other. Of course
they are. That's how this works, and if it gets
out into the public, it starts to get messy, and
it messes with the future of what college sports looks

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You know it was a little slow, but then first
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he knew the artist and the feature. That's big time.
It's big time Bengals, And I think Paul Daner, who
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he misunderstood what I was getting at when I talked
about the organization not valuing and it's probably because I
didn't ask the question well enough, but the organization not
valuing the off season as much as they probably should,
and because they look at it, and this is really

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what I was getting at. They look at things like
Trey Hendrickson, Well, we've got until you know, the season starts.
We've gotten toil the season opener, the night of the
season opener to get deals done. And I think in
the old days, yeah, sure, like that great, perfect, get

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it done, make sure the guy's here for the start
of the season, and go. But I think in the
new era of the NFL, where you're talking about free
agency happening first, and then the draft and what do
you need and maybe what can you do with picks

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and are you in position to make trades and then
getting into OTAs and getting into the mandatory mini camps.
The only other team I see that acts really like
the Bengals is the Dallas Cowboys. How's that worked.

Speaker 12 (01:37:45):
Out for him?

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
It feels like these are two franchises that every year
there's something, there's something that is becoming a distraction, there's
something that's getting in the way. There's something that players
have to talk about it their lives or talk about,
you know, the quarterback and the head coach and the coordinators.
And at anytime a mike is in front of somebody's face,

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they're gonna they're gonna be asked about Trey Hendrickson, and
they're gonna be asked about Shamar Stewart. It was Jesse Bates,
and then it was t Higgins, and then it was
Jamar and it was still Tea and now it's Trey
and and and Shamar Stewart's added his name into the
mix as well, not signing his rookie contract. And I
just wish that this franchise wasn't so slow to adjust,

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wasn't so held firm to the way that things have
have always been done. And a lot of that is
when you talk about, like when you go back and
study the history of Paul Brown, Paul Brown was an innovator.

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Paul Brown was a guy that stayed a step ahead
of the game. Paul Brown was a guy that was
behind the thought process of bringing in somebody to change offense,
to change the way that things were done, to change

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the way that that everybody played football. He was out
in front of things. He was never trailing the pack.
And it feels like the Brown family, the Blackburn family
are so hell bent on honoring him and being quote

(01:39:38):
unquote old school that they've lost sight of the fact
that the patriarch of the family, the major whatever, the
leader of the family, the guy that put them in
this position, stayed out in front of things. The game changed.
You're not seeing teams just roll through the off season,

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not talking to their players, not talking to guys that
have contracts up, not figuring out a way to get
it right with the people at the top of the roster,
and looking at that deadline of well we've gotten to
the end of camp. And that's what I mean by

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are they are they not properly valuing the off season program,
the things that happen in that building. How different does
this offseason look if they got trade done? Similar to
when Jamar and T signed their deals, Jamar and T

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sign their deals, they go to trade they say, Okay,
here's where we're at, and me, you know, there's arguments
to be had here on what they offered and whether
it was good enough. But it sounds like they made
their offer at twenty eight million Hendrick and said, no,
that's not what I'm looking for, and then things just
got shut down. Instead of using that as a starting

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point and saying, look, we really want to get this done.
We want to get this done before the draft, so
we know a we're at in terms of rebuilding this defense,
restructuring this defense. They didn't know they took a defensive
end edge rusher. Now you go through mini camp and

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you've got this five week period till the start of camp.
Now they're opening up talks again. What if this stalls out?
Now you're running out of time. If this stalls out
over the next two three weeks, and now you're two
weeks from camp, Trey Henderson's not signed. I just think

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there needs to be a continued evolution of how things
are operated in that building. Get the job done, get
these guys around, and stop putting your team in a
situation to be distracted. It can't just be coincidence that

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this franchise has dealt with something like this every year
for four or five years, and every year they've started slow.
Look in the mirror, do the math, and fix it.
That's what good management does. Unfortunately, it doesn't feel like

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there's much good management that happens down on the river
in either building. Just take a break. Phone lines are open.
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but he also was the one that elevated Bill Walsh
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season when he stepped down. True, there's a lot of

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I was born in seventy seven, So I didn't live
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Walsh was skipped over in that process. He was the
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are you?

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
My friend?

Speaker 12 (01:48:09):
Hey, Jim, what's up?

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
Just filling in load management? June mo is on the
beach in Florida and I'm sitting in this little room,
uh talking into a microphone.

Speaker 12 (01:48:21):
Oh, he's in the inferior ocean state Florida. That's right, Yeah,
where the unity is high and there's no.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
I'll be there. I'll be there Saturday. So what can
I say? I can't complain too much.

Speaker 12 (01:48:34):
Yeah, uh, well they gonna say.

Speaker 9 (01:48:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:48:39):
So they finally had to take my foot off and
part of my lower leg the other day got into
my bone.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
So I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 (01:48:51):
The rod awakening when somebody told you they got to
do that, they said, well, you don't have to, but
if you don't, you're will be dead soon, So it's
up to you. So yeah, just it's been very weird.
I don't really am not a lot of paint or
anything because a lot of more phenis stuff, So I
maybe it won't be too bad. I'm hoping. So, uh
do you think that the Pacers should have played Haliburt

(01:49:13):
in the second half, or should have said him and
Rode McConnell, or what do you think.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
I would have played? He was excellent in the third quarter.

Speaker 12 (01:49:22):
Yeah he was, and it was obvious Halliburton was straining.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Yeah, I still I don't. Do you think you think
Michael Jordan would have pulled himself if he could.

Speaker 12 (01:49:33):
Have played Norwood Magic or you know, well Kareem Lebron,
Well Lebron might have you know, Yeah, it depends. Yeah,
it does depend on how the beer and the injury
as too. Obviously, sometimes they may not they may not
let you get back in no matter what you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
It sounds like it was something he can play through.
He's just not going to be as effective. I I
just would have found a way with the different that
McConnell made. I would have found a way to fight
to get him on the floor. But look, the guy
that does the morning show on this station going off
on Hallie for playing like he would not have had

(01:50:14):
that same tone if it was Michael Jordan, Lebron James,
Magic like Kobe like those guys would never have come
off the floor in that situation, never ever, ever.

Speaker 12 (01:50:26):
No, not for a cap straight, that's for sure.

Speaker 13 (01:50:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:50:30):
I agree, Well, we'll see we get another game. Hopefully
they'll win and we can get a game seven. That's all.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
I don't have a.

Speaker 12 (01:50:36):
Huge rooting interest in either one. I'd like see Indiana
because it's closer to home. But if POKC wins, I'm cool.
They never won one, so no, no big you know,
just we want some good more hoops, right, that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
That's all I'm interested in, my good hoops.

Speaker 12 (01:50:50):
And when you were talking about the Red's injuries, I
mean sports fans. The Dodgers have fourteen pitchers on the
I out teams, pitchers on the IL and and a
lot of those are starters. Most of them are starters.
That's why they were forced to pitch Otani the other day.
I don't think they really wanted to. He wanted to.

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But I mean you talk about desperate and they're in
first place. Why because of the top hitting team and
everybody does well. It's because they buy all their hitters.
That is not true. Most of the player Andy pie
has has turned into a great center fielder, home grown
right up through the farm system.

Speaker 9 (01:51:28):
A lot of the.

Speaker 12 (01:51:29):
Are catcher Will Smith right up through the farm system,
third basin, right up through the Enrique Hernandez right up
through the farm system, Key K Hernandez basically a Dodger.
I mean, you got to Oscar Hernandez MOOKI and show hey,
everybody else is pretty much and we'll will who's our
third basement? A left handed hitter, got a black, big

(01:51:52):
power hitter having a bad season. Oh god, anyway, you
know who I'm talking about. Their their third basement. But anyway,
that's a misconception. So your point is well taken. Teams
still figure out a way, and it doesn't necessarily mean
because they've gotten me headline.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Think about it, Mike, what position players have come up
since you had that that run of Ellie and and
uh Steer and McLain and in Carnassi and Strand. I'm
not even going to count Marte yet at this this
point because he hasn't done enough. But you had those
four guys come up two years ago, and your next

(01:52:31):
group is still in a ball and below.

Speaker 12 (01:52:36):
Yeah, and that's I'm glad you keep bringing that up
because I keep forgetting about that. That's a that's a
major error on the on the team building concept that
everybody talks about. That's work right there.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
We're talking about potentially four years, four years before you
have a relevant position player produced in your cis them
that's insane for a for a club that is in
the position the Reds are in insane, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 12 (01:53:09):
And I'm noticing. Look at the little freaking Brewers now,
look at wouldn't you lucky? Looky, they're in the second
place now, and the Cardinals are third and pitching behind
the Dodgers and the and the mets. I think it's
just and and and.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
Can be done.

Speaker 12 (01:53:30):
It can be and so who knows that they'll ever
get it right. I think you need to go down
there kicks and the ass and straight and stuff that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
I appreciate it, Mike, I gotta.

Speaker 12 (01:53:39):
Go, but I'm kind of all right baden, So thanks, Chad,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Get a nap in, brother, and give me a call tomorrow.
How's that sound?

Speaker 12 (01:53:46):
Sounds like a winter all right?

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Thanks Mike.

Speaker 12 (01:53:49):
Yea by.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Four years, four years between legitimate position players. And that's
if any of these guys at the lower levels work out. Really,
that's an organization that's about draft and develop, make smart trades,
build your farm system. They're not serious about winning AnyWho.

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Big thanks to Paul Danner Junior for joining us to
open the show and for Klay Snowden to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
Some Reds and our friends over JNW Samway.

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And our friends at JNW Sandwich Shop, because those things
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They love the show. We love them. I will. I'll
be back tomorrow and we'll do it all over again.
I'll try to come up with some different topics. We'll
see how that goes, Reds and Twins seven to ten

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Tonight down on the Big One, seven hundred wl W.
Thanks to Tarren Bland as always, especially for guess that
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