June 24, 2025 • 44 mins
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up here a little bit later on, but it's Tuesday,
which means our guy, Paul Danner Juniors here from The
Athletic and the Growler podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
How's it going. It's going going really well. It's going
to be back here.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know a week away you were you were managing
your season load management season last last week. I appreciate that,
you know, because it's some load management for all of us.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It is.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It's load managements. I had to explain to my wife
because she heard me mention load management season. Yeah, and
it's kind of it's a it's a basketball term. It's
an NBA term, you know, but the players don't play
all eighty two games. They take time off and they
call it load management. And so that's I've taken on
that term load management season. And I like, I found
after about three minutes her interest it didn't just wane.
(01:51):
She was like, I'm good, I don't care. I should
get asked. You just should have said, you know what,
you're not going to find it that interesting because I.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Didn't, And that's okay, but you know, I'm glad you
enjoy It's good to have you back. Nice to have
you back on the airwaves. There is plenty of plenty
to talk about. The Reds are fun this week. The
Reds are fun.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The Reds are I mean, I was I think I
tweeted this to Austin.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
This might be a fun as we reach the let's
make up some things to talk about time.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
If you can.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Get a baseball team that grabs your interest right now
and is exciting and it is in a Pennant race
in September, truly one of the best things in all
of sports fandom, Like there is nothing better, and if
the Reds are setting themselves up for that right now,
I'd love to compile a list of the top five
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things in sports fandom, like individual things across any sport
that you like for your team, It's hard to top
September when your your team is in the Pennant race.
If you can get it to there. It's just been
so long around here.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Right Yeah, Well, and I think what's fun about this team?
And I said this to somebody at lunch today, I go,
this team is fun. I'm waiting for them to cross
over into officially good because I think we're all still
trying to find figure out like they're fun, they're interesting,
Are they good?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And I still don't know. The coming weeks may determine that.
But I think what's fun about this team right now
is they're kind of with what they've done with Chase Burns,
what they did with Jamber Candelario.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
They're kind of behaving like a good team. Yeah, but
this hasn't always been the case.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
This is the moment in the season where the Tito
effect needs to be re emerging.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
As a storyline.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah right, where Okay, everybody wanted to make a big
deal out of it in spring training, and that's fine, Like,
you know, yes, that's setting the tone. But the difference
is when you get to the point that the season
gets long, and the stretches get hard, and the decisions
with some people start getting a little tougher, and you've
got to start to really define the direction in getting
people still happy to come to work every single day,
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which is such the biggest part of of owning that gig.
The Tito effect can start to show up, and I
think what you're seeing you know, it's not like they
haven't been good this time of year in the.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Past, so now we only a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, obviously we've seen that, but I think it feels
so much more sustainable now and it feels like they're
acting like it isn't a surprise what's happening a little
bit more and that I think what will happen over
this next stretch The place that they haven't gone before
with even a young, exciting team is where does the
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Tito effects start to show up now in that he
starts pushing all the right buttons to get them to
find that next level that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, you know, I've talked about this a little bit
with Tony and Austin a few minutes ago and a
lot yesterday afternoon. Chase Burns is going to pitch tonight,
which would be interesting if the Reds were twelve games out.
But it's to me, it's it's less about a glimpse
into the future and it's more about we need a
guy who can help us win two night's game, which
is not.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Always how they've behaved, right.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's typically they call a guy up and it's like, well,
let's let's see if he's any good and if he
can stick, and you know, we'll give you a glimpse
of what the future might be. Like, Hey man, we
need this guy's our best option to win tonight's game.
And I think using him instead of some other guy
Louisville or going getting a guy who was DFA or
just another bullpen game. They're behaving with what they're doing
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with Chase Burns like a team that's serious about winning,
and that is so refreshing.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I I was loving.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I was listening to Power Stacks with Charlie and Brian
last week and they were they were talking about Charlie
had gone down to Louisville and talk to Chase and
before any of this became a thing, and the conversation
then was like.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, when could he come up? When when would that be?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And it was very It was it's not that they
didn't feel like he could get guys out right now
he can't, and they believe that he's built to handle
these moments. There's a reason they bet on him and
bet on him. And when they did this sort of
deep scout that they started doing on him, it was
that there is still a big picture plan here, of sure,
any limits and what you can do, but that doesn't
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mean there can't still be moments, and there could be
more moments to come later in the season.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Maybe this is a little one, maybe this is a
bigger one.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But the point is that they felt like he was
built to be able to do something like this.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's just you didn't think the situation would come up
right now.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But the fact that they leaned into it says we're
not afraid to lean in who we do believe that
we do have in Chase Berns, even if the big
picture plan doesn't necessarily change.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
So, since you're the Bengals reporter and we're talking about baseball,
do you want to spend some time on Joe Burrow
at that fanatics fest not being able to.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Is he trying to throw a new fangled slurve? Do
we think he was trying to like work on a pitch.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I don't know. I don't know what he was doing.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But I was talking about this with friends of mine
at the ballpark last yeah, and I said, you know
what that is to me is a reminder that throwing
a baseball when you haven't done it for a while
is not as easy as you think.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And we see this often with first pitches. Yeah right right.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
We often see this when guys or women throw out
ceremonial first pitches. Where there are times where you see
somebody take the mound to throw one of those and
you're like, oh, this will be good, and it's not
because if it's something you haven't done in a while,
I don't care if you throw footballs for a living,
it can be kind of tricky.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I said that to somebody last night and got laughed at,
which is part for the course, but I.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Believe it to be true. Highly recommend utilizing the bullpen inside.
If you're going to be throwing out the first pitch,
just just get a get a couple in. You don't
want to go out there without a throw. You don't
want to go out there just like hoping it that
you still know what you're doing. Go use the bullpen gets,
just throw a couple down there and call it. Call
it a day before you go out there. We talked
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to Mike Mike GISICKI had to do one recently and
apparently it came in very high, and he's like, I
just had one message to me, don't durt it. It's
all anybody said was when you go out there, you
got to have him have something in your head. His was,
don't durt it, throw it up high, and maybe it was.
If it's too high, obeit, but you don't want it
to turn into a Mayor Mallory situation or something like that,
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where you're throwing it off down to the side. So
have a good clear head, get some throws in before
you go. It's just not that easy. However, Joe Burrow, Yeah,
you would think.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Hasn't he thrown out a first pitch before? Yeah? Yeah, yes,
I feel like it was fine. Sure, it certainly wasn't memorable, Okay,
but was he trying to like show something on the gun?
Was he throw a breaking ball?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It looked like he was trying to get like they
had some sort of you know, pitch tracking on how
much movement he was getting or something he was trying
to get. That's that's what it looked like to me,
which whether it was or not, that's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So I threw at a first pitch today. What they
were the Florence Freedom at the time, and this is
how I came to believe that there is a god
so I threw at the first pitch. I had gone
to a business day special at GABP, took the day off,
and then I made my way to Florence and it
was thirsty Thursday. Well, and I got there when the
gates opened and our friend Lindsay Patterson was with me. Yeah,
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and they had bourbon slushes.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And so I'm like, well, it's hot out, I'll have
a bourbon slush. And then I had another one and
I had nothing but time to kill.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So then it's time to bring me down.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
And it's like and I prayed to God, like just
just please, God, let me get it there. And I
don't want to say I threw a strike, but I
got it there, and I walked away going there there
is a higher being. He just answered my prayer, because
without divine intervention, I'm not sure I could have gotten
it there.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I feel like the person who scheduled you as the
one to throw out the first pitch for the Florence
Freedom also praying to God as he saw you coming
down the steps, oh yes.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Oh please let this not go sideways and I lose
my summer internship. Oh yes. Oh well, and the thing
is like there was like two corporate sponsors before me.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, and you know that they were not impressed by
my act whatsoever. And they and they got it there.
So I'm like, great, now here I go. You know,
radio Boys shows up and it was. It was the
day after Bronson Royo did the a role as Chatman
did the summer salt after saving the game. So I
try to do a summersault.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh not so great. Yeah, that one wasn't as good.
But I got the ball there. That's it's all that matters,
all right, fourteen after three o'clock. I would rather talk
about first pitches than the stadium deal. I'm with you.
But it's a big, big, big week. It's a big week.
It is for the future of the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You've written about this extensively, for the athletic We do
have to talk about it. I want to talk about
the new sort of rebranded, remade training camp because we're
gonna have morning practices. Now, I'm kind of curious as
to how this is gonna work. I guess we have
to talk about Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart and should
you throw a temper tantrum if an athlete doesn't sign
an autograph. I didn't talk about this yesterday because I
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wanted to talk about it with you. Oh well good.
So we have a lot to get to. Paul's here
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Then it's after three o'clock. I'm Moegar. This is ESPN
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The latest episode is out. I was a part of it.
We did Bengals Bets Bengals bets Best Bengals bets.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, three bees. It was it was good. I was
that was fun. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
There was a lot of interesting I was surprised, and
we really started diving deeper into finding some of the
more like the one the Trey Hendrickson Shamar Stuart side
by side. I mean, honestly, I mean, I just I
couldn't believe it when I saw it that Trey Hendrickson
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to win Defensive Player of the Year. He's tenth in
odds at plus twenty eight hundred, and Shamar Stewart, currently
without a team and with four and a half sacks
to his name at the college level, seventh for Defensive
Rookie of the Year at plus fifteen hundred. You're telling me,
I'm getting better value on the guy who finished second
in Defensive Player of the Year and might play is
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the angriest edge rusher in football this year versus whatever's
happening currently with Shamar Stewart. Stunning to see that, and
I was like, get that's there's value for you. But
it was a lot of a lot of fun ones in there,
and you know, I don't want to be liable for
some of our selections. But I think we had some
good ones in there. I think there's good advice in there.
We had some good ones.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And I will tell you this, every wager I talked
about on your podcast this morning is a wager I
have made.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, I have put my money where my mouth is.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Not huge sums, but a comfortable amount of money, an
amount of money that will make me nervous if if
we're on the edge of.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
A few things happening. Yeah, I mean there's good value
on the Bengals right now. I think in a number
of different spots.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You've written about this in great detail.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
This is a big week for the Bengals, pay Corpse Stadium,
the team's future in Hamilton County. Give me the dumb guy,
Cliff notes, I haven't been following this at all.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Version basically June thirtieth. There is a deadline six days
six days, but you know you have commissioner meetings that
this is where this it's the county and the team
who are negotiating, and there's a meeting on Thursday. It's
kind of the last one before the deadline, so stuff
can happen between there, but it's here.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
This week.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We've reached this point where some sort of extension or
new lease needs to be negotiated, figured out and approved.
If not, the Bengals on June thirtieth need to send
a letter of their intention to exercise one of the
five two year rolling extension windows that they can push forward,
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and at that point they there's a pretty good chance
they're going to start exploring what their options are in
other places. They can't if we get to June thirtieth,
June thirtieth and there's no deal and the Bengals say,
we're just gonna hit the two year rolling extensions.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Which would take them through twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Through twenty seven, through the twenty seven season into twenty eight, yes,
through the twenty seven season, and at that point then
they can essentially do that, but it definitely opens up
the idea of what else is out there. The idea
is to not have to do that. Both sides have
said their emphasis is hitting this deadline, getting it done
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so nobody has to go to that staying in Hamilton County,
being downtown, renovating pay Course Stadium to keep it up
to par.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
There has been.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
You know, there's other stuff that's out there in terms
of what it could look like it may be a
watered down version of that, it may not. There's a
bunch of smaller questions that are all details that are
kind of boring, and I know most people gloss over.
The bottom line is they've got to figure out whatever
their answers are on those and everybody be happy with
it and vote it or else. It kind of is
an inflection point where it opens up a new conversation
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for the Bengals to start having. Now, is that something
that they're.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Willing to do? Would they do it?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
The ramifications of doing that are massive. I don't know,
nobody wants to start having those conversations. But by June
thirtieth is the date where you can secure the team
here for a longer period of time in a renovated
facility to not have to worry about this or I
have to talk about it again, which wuld be great,
just not for a while.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Would that effectively be an agreement that they're gonna stay
and they're going to renovate the facility, But it would
come without details. We're not going to start seeing new
renderings and stuff like that, right.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, I mean it would be under the idea, this
is what's gonna happen, right, and here's the rent, here's
the plan, here's what we want, and this is what
it's gonna be. Yes, I mean, it's the time to go.
I mean Baltimore is it's a different situation. But they
put in place a few years ago a three year,
four hundred and nine million dollar renovation that they're in
the middle of now like they're they're doing it, and
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it kept Baltimore for you know, in it there for
certain number of years. Charlotte just did one in terms
of downtown stadium renovations, no new construction renovating. They just
did when they signed almost on this exact day last
year to do one in their The process is starting
for them too. It can it starts quick. I mean
they have been doing stuff to the stadium regularly and
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have had stuff that they've been clearing. But this is
kind of the big point on the bigger renovation that
everybody acknowledges needs to happen for them to stay in
pay course stadium for a longer period of time. How
long will that will be a part of this, How
much it will cost, who will pay for it? Those
are all the smaller questions, but the bottom line is
are they going to come out and say, hey, Bengals
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are still here, We're all good for X number of years,
or it's gonna be two year rolling extension.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Now we have a new.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Set of questions to wonder about between now and next Monday.
What are the potential hang ups? Well, I mean who's
paying what?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean there's been attempts to get state funding that
have been haven't gone great. So who knows that the
percentages that are going to be paid by the team
versus the county. The length the hang ups could certainly
be in the length. Is it a new lease? Is
it an extension of the old lease? Those can be
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hang ups. Really to me, it comes down to the
money and who's paying for it, you know, I mean,
like all things, and so there's other stuff in there,
but I think it's going to be Look, nobody wants
to see.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You know this. We've talked about it so many times.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
This is year, this is days, weeks, years, months, decades
of consternation about this lease that has been a thing
since the stadium felt it has been a thing, and
the whole idea being next time it can't be like
this for the taxpayer, sure, right? And and the people
that are sitting there now making those decisions understand that
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pressure or in in our tough spot like it's that's
a lot of there's a lot hanging over that, and
so but it's to make sure that this deal isn't
what the last one felt like it was to to
those people that have experienced it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But and you could tell me if I'm dead wrong,
it feels like the Bengals have expressed that understanding. Yes, right,
we've we've enjoyed a sweetheart deal, and we we certainly
are coming to the taxpayers for more money. But our
next deal, our next lease, is not necessarily going to
be as tilted in our favor as our current one.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I think there's there's certainly been, even in the way
that they have acted in recent years with some of
the renovations, there shown a much more certainly a willingness
for their contribution to look different than it did then.
I don't know if they would stand up and say
we got a sweetheart deal. I think there's a belief
there that this the deal that was signed was good
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for everybody in terms of what happened in the banks
and what happened downtown and all of that, but I'm
saying that's so I don't know. I don't know specifically
if they would come out and say something like that,
but I do think that, yeah, I mean, there is
a different feeling of contributing, but it's it's comparing it
to what is happening in some of the other markets,
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and everybody knows like that was a main piece of
what the county wanted to feel like they were signing
something that was in line with everywhere else and not.
What it has felt like in their eyes is that
this doesn't look like so many of the other deals
other markets. Feeling like it wasn't good for them, and
so they want to feel like it is. And they
you know, they brought in the guy David Abrams who's
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done a bunch of deals at other places, to be
a consultant and try to try to help with that.
That's been a major point of eventsis for them they
wanted to feel like other market deals. But if the
Bengals aren't willing to go there then and you have
a gap that then maybe you end up at a
point where they say, well, we're not here, and they
hit the two year rolling thing and off we go.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Are you gonna start covering County Commission meeting. I don't.
I mean I don't want to that you don't want to.
I'll be watching Thursday.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I can't think of anything I'm going to do last,
no question, But I hate this and that's why, you know,
we've we've talked about this many times the show, like
I don't want to bring this in here. We have
hardly talked about on my podcast. I haven't written about it.
I was like, you said, let me know when I
need to know something. This week we need to know
something and it's relevant this week. We've kind of come
to the head here of seeing where this this moment
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ends and if whatever happens, by the thirtieth we'll know
what comes next a little bit more and what new
questions were asking or what is being celebrated or whatever.
But this is the week that we needed to know something,
and so here we are trying to help people understand it.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Does this feel like it will be an eleventh hour
thing either way? I feel like these things always are.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Like we're not going to know today. This is gonna
come down well Thursday, I mean Thursday at the meeting.
Thursday is the meeting. Thursday is the meeting, and then
at that point, you know, there's nothing really scheduled until
the deadline, so I you know, Thursday certainly feels significant
in terms of whatever happens there.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You want to keep talking about it, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't. I want to talk about the team. I
want to talk about the offense. I want to talk
about Al Golden, I want to talk about good others
like I want to talk about other things.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
But it is fairly relevant over at pay Course Stadium.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Okay, So we're gonna talk about the offense when we
come back, because there's another prop bet that I couldn't
find on the board that I want to make, and
it's Bengals offense related.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Okay, that's coming up next. Have you already made it?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, because I can't find any body he'll take the action, Okay,
but maybe you'll take it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
It's three thirty Sports Headlines next. Paul Danner Junior's with
us from the Athletic and the Growlar Podcast. Paul has
written in very good detail about the Bengals stadium deadline issue,
so go read that at the Athletic dot Com. It's
also written a very good piece on Dan Pitcher and
Bengals offensive continuity, and we're going to discuss that next
on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
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Speaker 1 (22:30):
I think you should continue.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
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for Cincinnati tonight, Friedel's and center McLean's at second, Elie
de la Cruz at shortstop, Steers and left Stevenson is catching.
Rehese Hines is in right field tonight, making his first
start since being called back up. Jose Trebinho's dhing Tonight
ces at first, Santiago spinal Is at third base. The
Reds officially to the contract of Chase Burns from Louisville.
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They have optioned the Yasvars, who are led it to Louisville,
and Austin Hayes is said to begin a rehab assignment
at Double A Chattanooga Also tonight, Florence Yawls hosting Windy
City Paul Danner.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Jenner is here.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
You know what I can do next time I'm in here,
give you a report on the Chattanooga Lookouts really yeah,
because we're we're doing a vacation down into the mountains,
Smoky Mountains. I gonna go to Chattanooga for a couple
of days. I'm gonna pop into a Lookouts games, see
the new the first season first half champs. Yeah right,
so I can come back with a full Lookout support.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Okay on whatever I saw it. If you have any
sign me up. Very interesting.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
We drove through Chattanooga on our way to Florida. Yes,
and I said to my wife have jokingly, I think
the Lookouts are in town. Do you want to go?
And that was shot down quickly. That is one of
the few sort of area pseudo regional minor league parks
I haven't been to.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, it looks. It looks fun.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
They're a little it's a fun little downtown, my kids
only care, hotel, hotel, pool, a few things to do.
We're good to add on to the trip. So I'm
but I'm I'm excited. I'm I told, I told Charlie
and Brian I'm dropping in on power Stacks as well
to give my Lookouts report that night.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Very good. Oh yeah, big time, big time stuff. I
can't wait When is this trip next? Uh, it's over
the over the fourth, over the fourth of July. Very good.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
You wrote about Bengals offensive continuity in year two of
Dan Pitchers. Yeah, are you ready for my prop bet? Yeah,
let's hear it. Dan picture's a head coach in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You know, I I have certainly discussed this often and
I was might be the head coach of the Bengels
in two thousand. You know, there's a couple of things there.
Let me start by this. I will say this. I
was one of the most stunning things of this offseason
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was that Dan Pitcher didn't get a sniff of an
interview right now. I thought, it's it's underappreciated. The things
that he did and the way that he attacked, the
sort of evolution of the offense last year, and his
back I've always you know, he's gotten interviews before. I
really thought that he would have been in the head
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coach mix, at least getting one or two as amongst
a group of ten. Right we saw so many names
out there, and it's like, how is Dan Pitcher non
of the mix? Was very surprising to me. But the
end of the day, you know, these coaches will always
not get as much credit because of Burrow, and that
Burrow is just out here doing everything. And that's Brian
Callahan fought that for years and so does Zach Taylor still.
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And you can't have the lack of success in general.
But if the Bengals make a run, if they put
together a run and they go to the Super Bowl
or the AFC Championship, or they have an offense that
is currently built to very easily be the best in football,
how is he not right? How is he not getting
real interviews? How are you not talking to this guy?
(26:55):
When you look at his background. What he's done is
track record. He's got scouting background, he's got coaching, can
handle a franchise quarterback, he has everything, and and he
has done a great job, I think with this offense,
and they.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Are set up to take to really take off right now.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And I think the confidence anybody gets in doing a
job the second time around, even if it's a job
that you felt as prepared as you could have as
you were the quarterback coach, like really getting it to
and then on top of that, not having to do
a bunch of new stuff having all these same pieces
back as a rarity. They just are really set up
to have a special season. And if that happens, I mean,
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look around the league, look at these Look at the
coaches that.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
End up getting these job.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I mean, Dave Knalis, I mean, guys come out of nowhere,
all Liam coach guys come out of nowhere all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
With even just one good year.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Man this, it's not like it wouldn't make sense if
they had the type of year that they're capable of having.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So there's my, there's my. That's a good bat that
I don't know where you find that.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I can't find that action, which is why I couldn't
mention it this morning. And reading the piece, which I
know came out a little while ago. You've done this
for a while, and you know, I know you talked
to different offensive coordinators. The detail that he provided and
talking about what they could do this year, what he's learned,
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what last year was like, how it translates to twenty
twenty five was striking to me.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, last year, you know, they talked a lot about
starting to dictate terms to the defense and forcing the
defense to react to what they're doing. And that was
in simplistic for terms moving Jamar Chase around and making
them have to react to them, right, And we saw
what that did Triple Crown, And now it is understanding
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the counters to that because Joe has built so much
chemistry with all the other pieces now too, and they've
learned about how to have counterattacks to all the things
that teams started doing or want to do to try
to stop Jamar Chase and.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
All the moving around.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But the bottom line is Chase has the weapon and
the way they started using them leaves defenses with not
much that they can do. You can't just sit there
and say we're doubling Jamar when you don't know where
he's going and where he's coming from. And the tactics
that they use. The Bengals as the year went on
and Burrows the year went on, really started to understand
(29:21):
with Mike Kasicki and with Chase Brown how they can
specifically counter those types of things. And so now they've
had all off season to build on that stuff that
can really add in and with the recalibration of the
running game with it, you know, because now with Scott
Peters here and no run game coordinator, Dan has kind
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of taken on a little bit more of that stuff,
and they've tried to tweak with the some of the
stuff they were doing there to get a little more
going there. But all of that can help build on
having more counters to whatever teams are going to try
to do to stop Jamar, and they just keep trying
to do whatever they were doing last year. Well, you
can just keep throwing to Jamar. You used to always
have that in your back pocket when you've got those two.
(30:05):
So they are in an unbelievable place in terms of
where they're at offensively and where they're starting from.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
This is a credit to your writing.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
But there have been few things that I have read
that have gotten me as excited, you know, in an
off season where we've talked about turmoil and distractions and
what they haven't done in free agency and the Trey
Hendrickson and Jamar Stewart things. Just reading that, I started
to think, like this, at the very least, I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That this year.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
This team can have the number one offensive football and
if you have that, you know what you are probably
gonna do, compete for Super Bowl. It's just they are
set up to be that good. Now we can talk
about the offensive line and the depth and the guards,
and I get that, yeah, but I think that their
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offensive line is at the very least in the same
place it was last year, if not even a little
bit better. When you consider what we now know about
the level that Alex Kappa and court E. Wolson played
at last year, and you have year two of MEM's
healthy Orlando Brown, you're hoping that something happens better at
card But it's hard to be worse. So even with
all of that, I just, you know, I just think
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they're in a spectacular place to change things. And I'm
really curious to see how they build around Chase Brown
because that it's really been super underdiscussed. Yes, the fact
that you know, they were fine running a ball last year,
but they saw so much room for improvement and ways
(31:36):
to tweak things and get a few more you know,
we saw how explosive he is when he gets the
ball in his hands and gets space to get a
get a higher percentage of his carries. That creates some
more of that space for him. That that build the
offensive running game around his skill set. It wasn't this
time last year it was how much is he gonna play?
(31:56):
Even is it gonna be a split, how do you
feature Zach Ma. Now you know what you have and
they've had an off season to recalibrate around that, you
can maybe be you hope, more explosive in the running game.
There's just so much room for growth when you get
this kind of continuity and a coordinator who has made
his career off of these sort of very smart, calculated
(32:21):
adjustments and usage of league trends and being analytical, all
these things that Dan Pitcher has had that's helped him
move up to this point. And now you give him
a year's worth of you know, tape and lessons to
build off of. I just think the possibilities are kind
of endless. And that's before we start talking about the
(32:42):
next level for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Well, yeah, that too, but I mean the Chase Brown thing.
A year ago, we were still kind of wondering, you know, yeah,
and it was how are they going to use them,
which if you go back to early in.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
The season, they weren't.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
We were still getting phone calls about how good Joe
Mixon was in Houston, and that in part was a
reflection of what.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The running game was not doing.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
But you know, a year ago, at this time, it
was how's he going to be used And no matter
how he's used, is is he going to be able to,
you know, increase his productivity? And now he's a known
quantity on an offense has a lot of quantities.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
We were talking about this on the Betting Show today
and I said, you know, this is insane, but if
we're going to talk about wild value that you just
throw something on Chase Brown currently going off at one
hundred to one to win Offensive Player of the Year.
So this isn't saying me that it would happen. But
let's not forget that over the second half of last
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season when they did evolve into the offense that they
were going to.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Be, weeks nine through seventeen.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
A long period of time, he was fifth in the
league in yards from scrimmage. The chemistry he developed with
Burrow when the play broke down, the off script stuff
that he would consistently create was unique and what created
a ton of big time plays. And that's before they
(34:04):
start talking about trying to get more out of him
in just the basic run game. I'm not saying that's
gonna happen, but at one hundred to one, I'm interested
in whatever the guy who was fifth in yards from
scrimmage the second half of last season, is gonna do
in an offense that maybe takes a stap.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Have you ever been turned down when you've asked somebody
for an autograph?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'm sure probably, I'm sure as a kid that I have.
I'm sure that i've. I've There's plenty of those occasions
where you're you're you're the little gapper that's standing there
on the side, you got your little baseball and you
just kind of hold it up, but you're not assertive
enough to get it, or it skips over top of
you just kind of look at you.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
And move on.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Or Yeah, that I've never although I've never been I've
never been in approach in a public place type of
guy one time in my life. Now, this wasn't for
an autograph. I've told this story a few times. But
I'm a big outcast fan. Chad knows that he plays
me without casts every time I come on with him.
But I was in the Atlanta airport and Andre three
(35:05):
thousand is on the escalator right next to me as
I go up and we and I'm just kind of thinking,
like what am I gonna say? Truly, like I this
is I'm in awe that I'm here, and so we
were going he was going to the same baggage claim.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Very interesting guy. So we start.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I just kind of strike up a conversation, tell him
I'm a big fan whatever. He's incredibly nice, and We're
just standing there waiting for our bags, and I'm thinking, like, man,
I'm so happy I checked a bag on this trip,
right and talking to him, and I'm not telling him
about We're talking about like his are they gonna get together,
They're gonna go on a tour, they gonna do whatever,
Like we're just my favorite songs. He's so nice, And
(35:43):
finally I just go can I get a picture? And
he goes, oh no, no, no picture, no picture. He goes,
that's the old I'm happy to stand here and talk
to you as long as you'd like. But one picture
turns into a thousand pictures. And I was like, at
this point, a crowd starts to gather a little bit
as we're talking, and and I so I it sort
(36:04):
of ended or whatever, and I was like, oh, okay,
I get that, Like I get it. It always becomes
a thing. One is not one, one is a thousand,
and but I always think of that, and I will.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I'll never forget that moment for the rest of my life.
But you got to talk him. You've got that experience.
It was great, better than any photo.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I mean, I would have liked a photo, but better
than any photo or automaph ever, would have been just
to have that story.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Well, this idiot who I guess, saw Jamar Chase on
an airplane and apparently asked for an autograph, and Jamar
said no, And it would have been nice had he
said yes. But Jamar Chase signs a lot of autographs. Ah,
And so this guy, instead of just sort of moving
on about his day, decides to go on TikTok and
(36:47):
throw a temper tantrum and film Jamar Chase as he's
admonishing him for not signing his autograph.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
What are we doing? What are we doing as a society?
As as any as anybody. I don't, I don't. I
don't understand.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
This is an adult ostensibly an adult here right ostensibly
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean in growth, not in like not in like intellect.
I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I don't understand the concept of anybody owes you anything
because they're fain like I don't know me anything.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
You're like, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You don't have to, Like, if they don't want something
right now and they're sitting on a plane, they don't
have to do anything, and they'll and certainly the last
thing that you need to do is I don't care
if this is about Jamar Chase or me or you
or Josh or anyone, Like what are you doing making
a scene on a plane right right? And then I
just I'm I'm over I'm over all of this, all
(37:40):
of this world of stuff that happens, of the trying
to make scenes with the phone situation, and I'm over
all of it.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Here's what I want to know.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Now, this person may have been flying by himself, but
there's at least a decent chance he had a traveling companion.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
What's that person doing hiding?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Like if if you're traveling with somebody and they start
throwing a social media temper tantrum about the fact that
Jamar Chase won't sign the autograph. When he finally comes
back to his seat and you're sitting there, what are
you saying to him, like, hey man, when we get
to Boston, Chicago, wherever we're going.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Like this is we're done, We're you get in your car,
We're out, Like, no, you're hearing while he's doing it.
You're in the group chat telling everyone we're no longer
friends with this person. You're just like, hey, everybody that
we all know this guy, Like, you're not gonna beleave.
What's happening here?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
It's over, this dude is he's not invited to the
to the parties anymore. He's not coming to the house.
It's it's over and we're no longer speaking.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Also, if Jamar Chase wanted to beat at Stevie Max
five nine eight four to a pulp on the airplane,
he could have.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
He could and no one would have faulted him. No,
no one would have.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I mean I would have been the first to say, Jamorrow,
I got you, man, Just tell me when the court
date is.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I gotcha. Yeah, we're there.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I gotta say, amazing discipline in restrict and yes, because
it's really easy to take debait on that one, and
I think he handled it pretty well.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Anything new on Trey or Shamar.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
No, just because people are talking doesn't mean that that's
a good thing, right, Like I think that's it's good.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I mean, it's a good thing in.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
His case, where communication is always the problem that's discussed
that at least there's been some reaching out first step,
but that doesn't mean that they're closed, doesn't mean that
it's good. So I don't think there's any any movement
right now on that. I think we're going to end
up where we think we're going to end up at
the beginning as we get to camp right talking about
both these situations again.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
When when when Schamar left Mini caamp before the last day,
I was not here. I kind of took that as
that's the sort of thing that should happen. Maybe he
shouldn't have been there to begin with.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, I mean the posturing that's happening on, you know,
on both sides over the this is, you know, is crazy.
I just I think this eventually gets done. It's just dumb.
But it's all of it's dumb. All of all of
it's dumb. The like bickering and fighting over over this,
(40:14):
you know. I think it eventually gets taken care of.
I certainly hope so, because I get a point where
this is this is my my thing on it. If
if I'm speaking to the team or to the agent,
it gets to the point that all you're doing is
harming the kid. All anyone doing this is like when
the adults fight at the baseball game, at the youth
(40:35):
baseball game, all you're doing is harming the kid. Like
this is Shamar Stewart is starting behind the eight ball
because of the adults in the room. Okay, because he
needs to not have this hanging over him. The fan
base already is going to have very little stuff. It's
it's just this is the stuff that happens. You're making
(40:57):
it so much harder on a guy that already had
a pretty deep climb from gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Disprove a lot of people already already.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
And and that is the fault of both of these
sides and whatever. And I get it, like people are
dug in over something stupid. Congratulations you you've hurt your client,
you've hurt your player, and this is where you're at.
You've done this to yourself. I just I feel for
I feel for Shamar Stewart in this situation because I
don't think it's fair what he's gonna have to deal
(41:27):
with now because of people who are supposed to have
his best interest.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Worst look his representation Trey, the way he's handled things
or at Stevie Max five.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
There's no question at Steve, You're right, it could be worse.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I guess there could be like some sort of TikTok
gotcha of the of the negotiation that's happening. But no, yeah,
that is ah Stevie Max. Maybe that maybe that'll be
his next agent. I've only got about a minute here.
I also ran into someone famous at the airport randomly once. Yeah,
and it was the dad from Little People, Big Oh
got the cinnabon at the Dayton Airport.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
What'd you say, big fan?
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I just I was with my first wife at the time,
who was at home, and she was a fan of
that show. And I said, like, I was at the
cinnabon this morning and Dayton and I stood behind the
dead from that show, you like Little People, Big World.
They own the pumpkin patch and stuff. And she's like,
did you get an autograph? Like, I didn't know the
guy's name. No, really say a word to him. No,
(42:30):
I recognized him. And she's like, I can't believe you
didn't get And this is like late two thousands, so
it's kind of smartphones are just becoming a thing. I
didn't have one so autographs. I feel like we're bigger
part of the currency than the picture. And she's like,
I don't understand how you didn't get something signed, Like,
I don't know, man, what do I do with that?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
You can't ask for draft if you don't know their name,
that is that's big fan.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Don't know your name, don't watch your show? Could I
could you could just sign this napkin? Yeah, the cinnabon napkin.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Almost as cool.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
As meeting your hero from out Andre two thousands the
next week, by the way, on whatever the road trip
was the next week, I remember this, Uh, I met
Richard Petty and our who was in our gate? Really yes,
And I was like, this is this what happens now
this year where I'm just.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Gonna continue to run into famous people on all the
road trips. Unbelievable. Yeah, it was as exciting as Andre,
though I didn't get an autograph. No, all right, well
thank you as always, This is great. This was fun,
all right. Paul Danner Junior.
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
How's it going. It's going going really well. It's going
to be back here.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know a week away you were you were managing
your season load management season last last week. I appreciate that,
you know, because it's some load management for all of us.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It is.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It's load managements. I had to explain to my wife
because she heard me mention load management season. Yeah, and
it's kind of it's a it's a basketball term. It's
an NBA term, you know, but the players don't play
all eighty two games. They take time off and they
call it load management. And so that's I've taken on
that term load management season. And I like, I found
after about three minutes her interest it didn't just wane.
(01:51):
She was like, I'm good, I don't care. I should
get asked. You just should have said, you know what,
you're not going to find it that interesting because I.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Didn't, And that's okay, but you know, I'm glad you
enjoy It's good to have you back. Nice to have
you back on the airwaves. There is plenty of plenty
to talk about. The Reds are fun this week. The
Reds are fun.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The Reds are I mean, I was I think I
tweeted this to Austin.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
This might be a fun as we reach the let's
make up some things to talk about time.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
If you can.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Get a baseball team that grabs your interest right now
and is exciting and it is in a Pennant race
in September, truly one of the best things in all
of sports fandom, Like there is nothing better, and if
the Reds are setting themselves up for that right now,
I'd love to compile a list of the top five
(02:43):
things in sports fandom, like individual things across any sport
that you like for your team, It's hard to top
September when your your team is in the Pennant race.
If you can get it to there. It's just been
so long around here.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Right Yeah, Well, and I think what's fun about this team?
And I said this to somebody at lunch today, I go,
this team is fun. I'm waiting for them to cross
over into officially good because I think we're all still
trying to find figure out like they're fun, they're interesting,
Are they good?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And I still don't know. The coming weeks may determine that.
But I think what's fun about this team right now
is they're kind of with what they've done with Chase Burns,
what they did with Jamber Candelario.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
They're kind of behaving like a good team. Yeah, but
this hasn't always been the case.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
This is the moment in the season where the Tito
effect needs to be re emerging.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
As a storyline.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah right, where Okay, everybody wanted to make a big
deal out of it in spring training, and that's fine, Like,
you know, yes, that's setting the tone. But the difference
is when you get to the point that the season
gets long, and the stretches get hard, and the decisions
with some people start getting a little tougher, and you've
got to start to really define the direction in getting
people still happy to come to work every single day,
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which is such the biggest part of of owning that gig.
The Tito effect can start to show up, and I
think what you're seeing you know, it's not like they
haven't been good this time of year in the.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Past, so now we only a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, obviously we've seen that, but I think it feels
so much more sustainable now and it feels like they're
acting like it isn't a surprise what's happening a little
bit more and that I think what will happen over
this next stretch The place that they haven't gone before
with even a young, exciting team is where does the
(04:32):
Tito effects start to show up now in that he
starts pushing all the right buttons to get them to
find that next level that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, you know, I've talked about this a little bit
with Tony and Austin a few minutes ago and a
lot yesterday afternoon. Chase Burns is going to pitch tonight,
which would be interesting if the Reds were twelve games out.
But it's to me, it's it's less about a glimpse
into the future and it's more about we need a
guy who can help us win two night's game, which
is not.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Always how they've behaved, right.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's typically they call a guy up and it's like, well,
let's let's see if he's any good and if he
can stick, and you know, we'll give you a glimpse
of what the future might be. Like, Hey man, we
need this guy's our best option to win tonight's game.
And I think using him instead of some other guy
Louisville or going getting a guy who was DFA or
just another bullpen game. They're behaving with what they're doing
(05:24):
with Chase Burns like a team that's serious about winning,
and that is so refreshing.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I I was loving.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I was listening to Power Stacks with Charlie and Brian
last week and they were they were talking about Charlie
had gone down to Louisville and talk to Chase and
before any of this became a thing, and the conversation
then was like.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, when could he come up? When when would that be?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And it was very It was it's not that they
didn't feel like he could get guys out right now
he can't, and they believe that he's built to handle
these moments. There's a reason they bet on him and
bet on him. And when they did this sort of
deep scout that they started doing on him, it was
that there is still a big picture plan here, of sure,
any limits and what you can do, but that doesn't
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mean there can't still be moments, and there could be
more moments to come later in the season.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Maybe this is a little one, maybe this is a
bigger one.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But the point is that they felt like he was
built to be able to do something like this.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's just you didn't think the situation would come up
right now.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But the fact that they leaned into it says we're
not afraid to lean in who we do believe that
we do have in Chase Berns, even if the big
picture plan doesn't necessarily change.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
So, since you're the Bengals reporter and we're talking about baseball,
do you want to spend some time on Joe Burrow
at that fanatics fest not being able to.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Is he trying to throw a new fangled slurve? Do
we think he was trying to like work on a pitch.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I don't know. I don't know what he was doing.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But I was talking about this with friends of mine
at the ballpark last yeah, and I said, you know
what that is to me is a reminder that throwing
a baseball when you haven't done it for a while
is not as easy as you think.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And we see this often with first pitches. Yeah right right.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
We often see this when guys or women throw out
ceremonial first pitches. Where there are times where you see
somebody take the mound to throw one of those and
you're like, oh, this will be good, and it's not
because if it's something you haven't done in a while,
I don't care if you throw footballs for a living,
it can be kind of tricky.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I said that to somebody last night and got laughed at,
which is part for the course, but I.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Believe it to be true. Highly recommend utilizing the bullpen inside.
If you're going to be throwing out the first pitch,
just just get a get a couple in. You don't
want to go out there without a throw. You don't
want to go out there just like hoping it that
you still know what you're doing. Go use the bullpen gets,
just throw a couple down there and call it. Call
it a day before you go out there. We talked
(07:44):
to Mike Mike GISICKI had to do one recently and
apparently it came in very high, and he's like, I
just had one message to me, don't durt it. It's
all anybody said was when you go out there, you
got to have him have something in your head. His was,
don't durt it, throw it up high, and maybe it was.
If it's too high, obeit, but you don't want it
to turn into a Mayor Mallory situation or something like that,
(08:06):
where you're throwing it off down to the side. So
have a good clear head, get some throws in before
you go. It's just not that easy. However, Joe Burrow, Yeah,
you would think.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Hasn't he thrown out a first pitch before? Yeah? Yeah, yes,
I feel like it was fine. Sure, it certainly wasn't memorable, Okay,
but was he trying to like show something on the gun?
Was he throw a breaking ball?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It looked like he was trying to get like they
had some sort of you know, pitch tracking on how
much movement he was getting or something he was trying
to get. That's that's what it looked like to me,
which whether it was or not, that's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So I threw at a first pitch today. What they
were the Florence Freedom at the time, and this is
how I came to believe that there is a god
so I threw at the first pitch. I had gone
to a business day special at GABP, took the day off,
and then I made my way to Florence and it
was thirsty Thursday. Well, and I got there when the
gates opened and our friend Lindsay Patterson was with me. Yeah,
(09:04):
and they had bourbon slushes.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And so I'm like, well, it's hot out, I'll have
a bourbon slush. And then I had another one and
I had nothing but time to kill.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So then it's time to bring me down.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
And it's like and I prayed to God, like just
just please, God, let me get it there. And I
don't want to say I threw a strike, but I
got it there, and I walked away going there there
is a higher being. He just answered my prayer, because
without divine intervention, I'm not sure I could have gotten
it there.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I feel like the person who scheduled you as the
one to throw out the first pitch for the Florence
Freedom also praying to God as he saw you coming
down the steps, oh yes.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Oh please let this not go sideways and I lose
my summer internship. Oh yes. Oh well, and the thing
is like there was like two corporate sponsors before me.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, and you know that they were not impressed by
my act whatsoever. And they and they got it there.
So I'm like, great, now here I go. You know,
radio Boys shows up and it was. It was the
day after Bronson Royo did the a role as Chatman
did the summer salt after saving the game. So I
try to do a summersault.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh not so great. Yeah, that one wasn't as good.
But I got the ball there. That's it's all that matters,
all right, fourteen after three o'clock. I would rather talk
about first pitches than the stadium deal. I'm with you.
But it's a big, big, big week. It's a big week.
It is for the future of the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You've written about this extensively, for the athletic We do
have to talk about it. I want to talk about
the new sort of rebranded, remade training camp because we're
gonna have morning practices. Now, I'm kind of curious as
to how this is gonna work. I guess we have
to talk about Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart and should
you throw a temper tantrum if an athlete doesn't sign
an autograph. I didn't talk about this yesterday because I
(10:53):
wanted to talk about it with you. Oh well good.
So we have a lot to get to. Paul's here
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The latest episode is out. I was a part of it.
We did Bengals Bets Bengals bets Best Bengals bets.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, three bees. It was it was good. I was
that was fun. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
There was a lot of interesting I was surprised, and
we really started diving deeper into finding some of the
more like the one the Trey Hendrickson Shamar Stuart side
by side. I mean, honestly, I mean, I just I
couldn't believe it when I saw it that Trey Hendrickson
(12:15):
to win Defensive Player of the Year. He's tenth in
odds at plus twenty eight hundred, and Shamar Stewart, currently
without a team and with four and a half sacks
to his name at the college level, seventh for Defensive
Rookie of the Year at plus fifteen hundred. You're telling me,
I'm getting better value on the guy who finished second
in Defensive Player of the Year and might play is
(12:37):
the angriest edge rusher in football this year versus whatever's
happening currently with Shamar Stewart. Stunning to see that, and
I was like, get that's there's value for you. But
it was a lot of a lot of fun ones in there,
and you know, I don't want to be liable for
some of our selections. But I think we had some
good ones in there. I think there's good advice in there.
We had some good ones.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And I will tell you this, every wager I talked
about on your podcast this morning is a wager I
have made.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, I have put my money where my mouth is.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Not huge sums, but a comfortable amount of money, an
amount of money that will make me nervous if if
we're on the edge of.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
A few things happening. Yeah, I mean there's good value
on the Bengals right now. I think in a number
of different spots.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You've written about this in great detail.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
This is a big week for the Bengals, pay Corpse Stadium,
the team's future in Hamilton County. Give me the dumb guy,
Cliff notes, I haven't been following this at all.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Version basically June thirtieth. There is a deadline six days
six days, but you know you have commissioner meetings that
this is where this it's the county and the team
who are negotiating, and there's a meeting on Thursday. It's
kind of the last one before the deadline, so stuff
can happen between there, but it's here.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
This week.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We've reached this point where some sort of extension or
new lease needs to be negotiated, figured out and approved.
If not, the Bengals on June thirtieth need to send
a letter of their intention to exercise one of the
five two year rolling extension windows that they can push forward,
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and at that point they there's a pretty good chance
they're going to start exploring what their options are in
other places. They can't if we get to June thirtieth,
June thirtieth and there's no deal and the Bengals say,
we're just gonna hit the two year rolling extensions.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Which would take them through twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Through twenty seven, through the twenty seven season into twenty eight, yes,
through the twenty seven season, and at that point then
they can essentially do that, but it definitely opens up
the idea of what else is out there. The idea
is to not have to do that. Both sides have
said their emphasis is hitting this deadline, getting it done
(14:55):
so nobody has to go to that staying in Hamilton County,
being downtown, renovating pay Course Stadium to keep it up
to par.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
There has been.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
You know, there's other stuff that's out there in terms
of what it could look like it may be a
watered down version of that, it may not. There's a
bunch of smaller questions that are all details that are
kind of boring, and I know most people gloss over.
The bottom line is they've got to figure out whatever
their answers are on those and everybody be happy with
it and vote it or else. It kind of is
an inflection point where it opens up a new conversation
(15:28):
for the Bengals to start having. Now, is that something
that they're.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Willing to do? Would they do it?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
The ramifications of doing that are massive. I don't know,
nobody wants to start having those conversations. But by June
thirtieth is the date where you can secure the team
here for a longer period of time in a renovated
facility to not have to worry about this or I
have to talk about it again, which wuld be great,
just not for a while.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Would that effectively be an agreement that they're gonna stay
and they're going to renovate the facility, But it would
come without details. We're not going to start seeing new
renderings and stuff like that, right.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, I mean it would be under the idea, this
is what's gonna happen, right, and here's the rent, here's
the plan, here's what we want, and this is what
it's gonna be. Yes, I mean, it's the time to go.
I mean Baltimore is it's a different situation. But they
put in place a few years ago a three year,
four hundred and nine million dollar renovation that they're in
the middle of now like they're they're doing it, and
(16:24):
it kept Baltimore for you know, in it there for
certain number of years. Charlotte just did one in terms
of downtown stadium renovations, no new construction renovating. They just
did when they signed almost on this exact day last
year to do one in their The process is starting
for them too. It can it starts quick. I mean
they have been doing stuff to the stadium regularly and
(16:47):
have had stuff that they've been clearing. But this is
kind of the big point on the bigger renovation that
everybody acknowledges needs to happen for them to stay in
pay course stadium for a longer period of time. How
long will that will be a part of this, How
much it will cost, who will pay for it? Those
are all the smaller questions, but the bottom line is
are they going to come out and say, hey, Bengals
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are still here, We're all good for X number of years,
or it's gonna be two year rolling extension.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Now we have a new.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Set of questions to wonder about between now and next Monday.
What are the potential hang ups? Well, I mean who's
paying what?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean there's been attempts to get state funding that
have been haven't gone great. So who knows that the
percentages that are going to be paid by the team
versus the county. The length the hang ups could certainly
be in the length. Is it a new lease? Is
it an extension of the old lease? Those can be
(17:48):
hang ups. Really to me, it comes down to the
money and who's paying for it, you know, I mean,
like all things, and so there's other stuff in there,
but I think it's going to be Look, nobody wants
to see.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You know this. We've talked about it so many times.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
This is year, this is days, weeks, years, months, decades
of consternation about this lease that has been a thing
since the stadium felt it has been a thing, and
the whole idea being next time it can't be like
this for the taxpayer, sure, right? And and the people
that are sitting there now making those decisions understand that
(18:30):
pressure or in in our tough spot like it's that's
a lot of there's a lot hanging over that, and
so but it's to make sure that this deal isn't
what the last one felt like it was to to
those people that have experienced it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But and you could tell me if I'm dead wrong,
it feels like the Bengals have expressed that understanding. Yes, right,
we've we've enjoyed a sweetheart deal, and we we certainly
are coming to the taxpayers for more money. But our
next deal, our next lease, is not necessarily going to
be as tilted in our favor as our current one.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I think there's there's certainly been, even in the way
that they have acted in recent years with some of
the renovations, there shown a much more certainly a willingness
for their contribution to look different than it did then.
I don't know if they would stand up and say
we got a sweetheart deal. I think there's a belief
there that this the deal that was signed was good
(19:25):
for everybody in terms of what happened in the banks
and what happened downtown and all of that, but I'm
saying that's so I don't know. I don't know specifically
if they would come out and say something like that,
but I do think that, yeah, I mean, there is
a different feeling of contributing, but it's it's comparing it
to what is happening in some of the other markets,
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and everybody knows like that was a main piece of
what the county wanted to feel like they were signing
something that was in line with everywhere else and not.
What it has felt like in their eyes is that
this doesn't look like so many of the other deals
other markets. Feeling like it wasn't good for them, and
so they want to feel like it is. And they
you know, they brought in the guy David Abrams who's
(20:08):
done a bunch of deals at other places, to be
a consultant and try to try to help with that.
That's been a major point of eventsis for them they
wanted to feel like other market deals. But if the
Bengals aren't willing to go there then and you have
a gap that then maybe you end up at a
point where they say, well, we're not here, and they
hit the two year rolling thing and off we go.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Are you gonna start covering County Commission meeting. I don't.
I mean I don't want to that you don't want to.
I'll be watching Thursday.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I can't think of anything I'm going to do last,
no question, But I hate this and that's why, you know,
we've we've talked about this many times the show, like
I don't want to bring this in here. We have
hardly talked about on my podcast. I haven't written about it.
I was like, you said, let me know when I
need to know something. This week we need to know
something and it's relevant this week. We've kind of come
to the head here of seeing where this this moment
(20:56):
ends and if whatever happens, by the thirtieth we'll know
what comes next a little bit more and what new
questions were asking or what is being celebrated or whatever.
But this is the week that we needed to know something,
and so here we are trying to help people understand it.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Does this feel like it will be an eleventh hour
thing either way? I feel like these things always are.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Like we're not going to know today. This is gonna
come down well Thursday, I mean Thursday at the meeting.
Thursday is the meeting. Thursday is the meeting, and then
at that point, you know, there's nothing really scheduled until
the deadline, so I you know, Thursday certainly feels significant
in terms of whatever happens there.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You want to keep talking about it, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't. I want to talk about the team. I
want to talk about the offense. I want to talk
about Al Golden, I want to talk about good others
like I want to talk about other things.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
But it is fairly relevant over at pay Course Stadium.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Okay, So we're gonna talk about the offense when we
come back, because there's another prop bet that I couldn't
find on the board that I want to make, and
it's Bengals offense related.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Okay, that's coming up next. Have you already made it?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, because I can't find any body he'll take the action, Okay,
but maybe you'll take it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
It's three thirty Sports Headlines next. Paul Danner Junior's with
us from the Athletic and the Growlar Podcast. Paul has
written in very good detail about the Bengals stadium deadline issue,
so go read that at the Athletic dot Com. It's
also written a very good piece on Dan Pitcher and
Bengals offensive continuity, and we're going to discuss that next
on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Fifteen thirty Sincy three sixty with Tony Pike. We'll want
to move on, we'd have to keep going and Boston Elmore.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I think you should continue.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Let me keep going there Sincy three sixty Tomorrow at
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Speaker 1 (24:13):
Jenner is here.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
You know what I can do next time I'm in here,
give you a report on the Chattanooga Lookouts really yeah,
because we're we're doing a vacation down into the mountains,
Smoky Mountains. I gonna go to Chattanooga for a couple
of days. I'm gonna pop into a Lookouts games, see
the new the first season first half champs. Yeah right,
so I can come back with a full Lookout support.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Okay on whatever I saw it. If you have any
sign me up. Very interesting.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
We drove through Chattanooga on our way to Florida. Yes,
and I said to my wife have jokingly, I think
the Lookouts are in town. Do you want to go?
And that was shot down quickly. That is one of
the few sort of area pseudo regional minor league parks
I haven't been to.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, it looks. It looks fun.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
They're a little it's a fun little downtown, my kids
only care, hotel, hotel, pool, a few things to do.
We're good to add on to the trip. So I'm
but I'm I'm excited. I'm I told, I told Charlie
and Brian I'm dropping in on power Stacks as well
to give my Lookouts report that night.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Very good. Oh yeah, big time, big time stuff. I
can't wait When is this trip next? Uh, it's over
the over the fourth, over the fourth of July. Very good.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
You wrote about Bengals offensive continuity in year two of
Dan Pitchers. Yeah, are you ready for my prop bet? Yeah,
let's hear it. Dan picture's a head coach in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You know, I I have certainly discussed this often and
I was might be the head coach of the Bengels
in two thousand. You know, there's a couple of things there.
Let me start by this. I will say this. I
was one of the most stunning things of this offseason
(25:48):
was that Dan Pitcher didn't get a sniff of an
interview right now. I thought, it's it's underappreciated. The things
that he did and the way that he attacked, the
sort of evolution of the offense last year, and his
back I've always you know, he's gotten interviews before. I
really thought that he would have been in the head
(26:10):
coach mix, at least getting one or two as amongst
a group of ten. Right we saw so many names
out there, and it's like, how is Dan Pitcher non
of the mix? Was very surprising to me. But the
end of the day, you know, these coaches will always
not get as much credit because of Burrow, and that
Burrow is just out here doing everything. And that's Brian
Callahan fought that for years and so does Zach Taylor still.
(26:34):
And you can't have the lack of success in general.
But if the Bengals make a run, if they put
together a run and they go to the Super Bowl
or the AFC Championship, or they have an offense that
is currently built to very easily be the best in football,
how is he not right? How is he not getting
real interviews? How are you not talking to this guy?
(26:55):
When you look at his background. What he's done is
track record. He's got scouting background, he's got coaching, can
handle a franchise quarterback, he has everything, and and he
has done a great job, I think with this offense,
and they.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Are set up to take to really take off right now.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And I think the confidence anybody gets in doing a
job the second time around, even if it's a job
that you felt as prepared as you could have as
you were the quarterback coach, like really getting it to
and then on top of that, not having to do
a bunch of new stuff having all these same pieces
back as a rarity. They just are really set up
to have a special season. And if that happens, I mean,
(27:32):
look around the league, look at these Look at the
coaches that.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
End up getting these job.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I mean, Dave Knalis, I mean, guys come out of nowhere,
all Liam coach guys come out of nowhere all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
With even just one good year.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Man this, it's not like it wouldn't make sense if
they had the type of year that they're capable of having.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So there's my, there's my. That's a good bat that
I don't know where you find that.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I can't find that action, which is why I couldn't
mention it this morning. And reading the piece, which I
know came out a little while ago. You've done this
for a while, and you know, I know you talked
to different offensive coordinators. The detail that he provided and
talking about what they could do this year, what he's learned,
(28:16):
what last year was like, how it translates to twenty
twenty five was striking to me.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, last year, you know, they talked a lot about
starting to dictate terms to the defense and forcing the
defense to react to what they're doing. And that was
in simplistic for terms moving Jamar Chase around and making
them have to react to them, right, And we saw
what that did Triple Crown, And now it is understanding
(28:43):
the counters to that because Joe has built so much
chemistry with all the other pieces now too, and they've
learned about how to have counterattacks to all the things
that teams started doing or want to do to try
to stop Jamar Chase and.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
All the moving around.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But the bottom line is Chase has the weapon and
the way they started using them leaves defenses with not
much that they can do. You can't just sit there
and say we're doubling Jamar when you don't know where
he's going and where he's coming from. And the tactics
that they use. The Bengals as the year went on
and Burrows the year went on, really started to understand
(29:21):
with Mike Kasicki and with Chase Brown how they can
specifically counter those types of things. And so now they've
had all off season to build on that stuff that
can really add in and with the recalibration of the
running game with it, you know, because now with Scott
Peters here and no run game coordinator, Dan has kind
(29:43):
of taken on a little bit more of that stuff,
and they've tried to tweak with the some of the
stuff they were doing there to get a little more
going there. But all of that can help build on
having more counters to whatever teams are going to try
to do to stop Jamar, and they just keep trying
to do whatever they were doing last year. Well, you
can just keep throwing to Jamar. You used to always
have that in your back pocket when you've got those two.
(30:05):
So they are in an unbelievable place in terms of
where they're at offensively and where they're starting from.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
This is a credit to your writing.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
But there have been few things that I have read
that have gotten me as excited, you know, in an
off season where we've talked about turmoil and distractions and
what they haven't done in free agency and the Trey
Hendrickson and Jamar Stewart things. Just reading that, I started
to think, like this, at the very least, I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That this year.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
This team can have the number one offensive football and
if you have that, you know what you are probably
gonna do, compete for Super Bowl. It's just they are
set up to be that good. Now we can talk
about the offensive line and the depth and the guards,
and I get that, yeah, but I think that their
(30:53):
offensive line is at the very least in the same
place it was last year, if not even a little
bit better. When you consider what we now know about
the level that Alex Kappa and court E. Wolson played
at last year, and you have year two of MEM's
healthy Orlando Brown, you're hoping that something happens better at
card But it's hard to be worse. So even with
all of that, I just, you know, I just think
(31:14):
they're in a spectacular place to change things. And I'm
really curious to see how they build around Chase Brown
because that it's really been super underdiscussed. Yes, the fact
that you know, they were fine running a ball last year,
but they saw so much room for improvement and ways
(31:36):
to tweak things and get a few more you know,
we saw how explosive he is when he gets the
ball in his hands and gets space to get a
get a higher percentage of his carries. That creates some
more of that space for him. That that build the
offensive running game around his skill set. It wasn't this
time last year it was how much is he gonna play?
(31:56):
Even is it gonna be a split, how do you
feature Zach Ma. Now you know what you have and
they've had an off season to recalibrate around that, you
can maybe be you hope, more explosive in the running game.
There's just so much room for growth when you get
this kind of continuity and a coordinator who has made
his career off of these sort of very smart, calculated
(32:21):
adjustments and usage of league trends and being analytical, all
these things that Dan Pitcher has had that's helped him
move up to this point. And now you give him
a year's worth of you know, tape and lessons to
build off of. I just think the possibilities are kind
of endless. And that's before we start talking about the
(32:42):
next level for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Well, yeah, that too, but I mean the Chase Brown thing.
A year ago, we were still kind of wondering, you know, yeah,
and it was how are they going to use them,
which if you go back to early in.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
The season, they weren't.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
We were still getting phone calls about how good Joe
Mixon was in Houston, and that in part was a
reflection of what.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The running game was not doing.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
But you know, a year ago, at this time, it
was how's he going to be used And no matter
how he's used, is is he going to be able to,
you know, increase his productivity? And now he's a known
quantity on an offense has a lot of quantities.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
We were talking about this on the Betting Show today
and I said, you know, this is insane, but if
we're going to talk about wild value that you just
throw something on Chase Brown currently going off at one
hundred to one to win Offensive Player of the Year.
So this isn't saying me that it would happen. But
let's not forget that over the second half of last
(33:38):
season when they did evolve into the offense that they
were going to.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Be, weeks nine through seventeen.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
A long period of time, he was fifth in the
league in yards from scrimmage. The chemistry he developed with
Burrow when the play broke down, the off script stuff
that he would consistently create was unique and what created
a ton of big time plays. And that's before they
(34:04):
start talking about trying to get more out of him
in just the basic run game. I'm not saying that's
gonna happen, but at one hundred to one, I'm interested
in whatever the guy who was fifth in yards from
scrimmage the second half of last season, is gonna do
in an offense that maybe takes a stap.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Have you ever been turned down when you've asked somebody
for an autograph?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'm sure probably, I'm sure as a kid that I have.
I'm sure that i've. I've There's plenty of those occasions
where you're you're you're the little gapper that's standing there
on the side, you got your little baseball and you
just kind of hold it up, but you're not assertive
enough to get it, or it skips over top of
you just kind of look at you.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
And move on.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Or Yeah, that I've never although I've never been I've
never been in approach in a public place type of
guy one time in my life. Now, this wasn't for
an autograph. I've told this story a few times. But
I'm a big outcast fan. Chad knows that he plays
me without casts every time I come on with him.
But I was in the Atlanta airport and Andre three
(35:05):
thousand is on the escalator right next to me as
I go up and we and I'm just kind of thinking,
like what am I gonna say? Truly, like I this
is I'm in awe that I'm here, and so we
were going he was going to the same baggage claim.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Very interesting guy. So we start.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I just kind of strike up a conversation, tell him
I'm a big fan whatever. He's incredibly nice, and We're
just standing there waiting for our bags, and I'm thinking, like, man,
I'm so happy I checked a bag on this trip,
right and talking to him, and I'm not telling him
about We're talking about like his are they gonna get together,
They're gonna go on a tour, they gonna do whatever,
Like we're just my favorite songs. He's so nice, And
(35:43):
finally I just go can I get a picture? And
he goes, oh no, no, no picture, no picture. He goes,
that's the old I'm happy to stand here and talk
to you as long as you'd like. But one picture
turns into a thousand pictures. And I was like, at
this point, a crowd starts to gather a little bit
as we're talking, and and I so I it sort
(36:04):
of ended or whatever, and I was like, oh, okay,
I get that, Like I get it. It always becomes
a thing. One is not one, one is a thousand,
and but I always think of that, and I will.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I'll never forget that moment for the rest of my life.
But you got to talk him. You've got that experience.
It was great, better than any photo.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I mean, I would have liked a photo, but better
than any photo or automaph ever, would have been just
to have that story.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Well, this idiot who I guess, saw Jamar Chase on
an airplane and apparently asked for an autograph, and Jamar
said no, And it would have been nice had he
said yes. But Jamar Chase signs a lot of autographs. Ah,
And so this guy, instead of just sort of moving
on about his day, decides to go on TikTok and
(36:47):
throw a temper tantrum and film Jamar Chase as he's
admonishing him for not signing his autograph.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
What are we doing? What are we doing as a society?
As as any as anybody. I don't, I don't. I
don't understand.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
This is an adult ostensibly an adult here right ostensibly
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean in growth, not in like not in like intellect.
I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I don't understand the concept of anybody owes you anything
because they're fain like I don't know me anything.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
You're like, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You don't have to, Like, if they don't want something
right now and they're sitting on a plane, they don't
have to do anything, and they'll and certainly the last
thing that you need to do is I don't care
if this is about Jamar Chase or me or you
or Josh or anyone, Like what are you doing making
a scene on a plane right right? And then I
just I'm I'm over I'm over all of this, all
(37:40):
of this world of stuff that happens, of the trying
to make scenes with the phone situation, and I'm over
all of it.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Here's what I want to know.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Now, this person may have been flying by himself, but
there's at least a decent chance he had a traveling companion.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
What's that person doing hiding?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Like if if you're traveling with somebody and they start
throwing a social media temper tantrum about the fact that
Jamar Chase won't sign the autograph. When he finally comes
back to his seat and you're sitting there, what are
you saying to him, like, hey man, when we get
to Boston, Chicago, wherever we're going.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Like this is we're done, We're you get in your car,
We're out, Like, no, you're hearing while he's doing it.
You're in the group chat telling everyone we're no longer
friends with this person. You're just like, hey, everybody that
we all know this guy, Like, you're not gonna beleave.
What's happening here?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
It's over, this dude is he's not invited to the
to the parties anymore. He's not coming to the house.
It's it's over and we're no longer speaking.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Also, if Jamar Chase wanted to beat at Stevie Max
five nine eight four to a pulp on the airplane,
he could have.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
He could and no one would have faulted him. No,
no one would have.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I mean I would have been the first to say, Jamorrow,
I got you, man, Just tell me when the court
date is.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I gotcha. Yeah, we're there.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I gotta say, amazing discipline in restrict and yes, because
it's really easy to take debait on that one, and
I think he handled it pretty well.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Anything new on Trey or Shamar.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
No, just because people are talking doesn't mean that that's
a good thing, right, Like I think that's it's good.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I mean, it's a good thing in.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
His case, where communication is always the problem that's discussed
that at least there's been some reaching out first step,
but that doesn't mean that they're closed, doesn't mean that
it's good. So I don't think there's any any movement
right now on that. I think we're going to end
up where we think we're going to end up at
the beginning as we get to camp right talking about
both these situations again.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
When when when Schamar left Mini caamp before the last day,
I was not here. I kind of took that as
that's the sort of thing that should happen. Maybe he
shouldn't have been there to begin with.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, I mean the posturing that's happening on, you know,
on both sides over the this is, you know, is crazy.
I just I think this eventually gets done. It's just dumb.
But it's all of it's dumb. All of all of
it's dumb. The like bickering and fighting over over this,
(40:14):
you know. I think it eventually gets taken care of.
I certainly hope so, because I get a point where
this is this is my my thing on it. If
if I'm speaking to the team or to the agent,
it gets to the point that all you're doing is
harming the kid. All anyone doing this is like when
the adults fight at the baseball game, at the youth
(40:35):
baseball game, all you're doing is harming the kid. Like
this is Shamar Stewart is starting behind the eight ball
because of the adults in the room. Okay, because he
needs to not have this hanging over him. The fan
base already is going to have very little stuff. It's
it's just this is the stuff that happens. You're making
(40:57):
it so much harder on a guy that already had
a pretty deep climb from gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Disprove a lot of people already already.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
And and that is the fault of both of these
sides and whatever. And I get it, like people are
dug in over something stupid. Congratulations you you've hurt your client,
you've hurt your player, and this is where you're at.
You've done this to yourself. I just I feel for
I feel for Shamar Stewart in this situation because I
don't think it's fair what he's gonna have to deal
(41:27):
with now because of people who are supposed to have
his best interest.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Worst look his representation Trey, the way he's handled things
or at Stevie Max five.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
There's no question at Steve, You're right, it could be worse.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I guess there could be like some sort of TikTok
gotcha of the of the negotiation that's happening. But no, yeah,
that is ah Stevie Max. Maybe that maybe that'll be
his next agent. I've only got about a minute here.
I also ran into someone famous at the airport randomly once. Yeah,
and it was the dad from Little People, Big Oh
got the cinnabon at the Dayton Airport.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
What'd you say, big fan?
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I just I was with my first wife at the time,
who was at home, and she was a fan of
that show. And I said, like, I was at the
cinnabon this morning and Dayton and I stood behind the
dead from that show, you like Little People, Big World.
They own the pumpkin patch and stuff. And she's like,
did you get an autograph? Like, I didn't know the
guy's name. No, really say a word to him. No,
(42:30):
I recognized him. And she's like, I can't believe you
didn't get And this is like late two thousands, so
it's kind of smartphones are just becoming a thing. I
didn't have one so autographs. I feel like we're bigger
part of the currency than the picture. And she's like,
I don't understand how you didn't get something signed, Like,
I don't know, man, what do I do with that?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
You can't ask for draft if you don't know their name,
that is that's big fan.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Don't know your name, don't watch your show? Could I
could you could just sign this napkin? Yeah, the cinnabon napkin.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Almost as cool.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
As meeting your hero from out Andre two thousands the
next week, by the way, on whatever the road trip
was the next week, I remember this, Uh, I met
Richard Petty and our who was in our gate? Really yes,
And I was like, this is this what happens now
this year where I'm just.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Gonna continue to run into famous people on all the
road trips. Unbelievable. Yeah, it was as exciting as Andre,
though I didn't get an autograph. No, all right, well
thank you as always, This is great. This was fun,
all right. Paul Danner Junior.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
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Power sacks with Geese and Swan Goldsmith. Great stuff up
right now. So that's your Reds podcast. We are finished
with Paul unless you want to hang around.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
No, I am good.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
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