October 29, 2025 • 34 mins
The annual College Basketball Spectacular with Chad Brendel & Rick Broering
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hey, what's up. I'm Oheger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.
Thanks for listening. Hopefully you're having like the most awesome
Wednesday ever. God knows we are. I can't tell you
how many years we've been doing this where we have
Chad Brendel and Rick Brewing in studio to preview the
college basketball season. I feel like one day we're gonna
(00:34):
end up doing this in like September.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Because the season gets earlier and earlier.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Chad Brendel, Bearcat Journal dot com, Rickbrowing Musketeer Report dot com.
You'll also hear him on NKU radio broadcast, both in studio.
We're gonna have to interrupt this in fifteen minutes to
talk to Richard Skinner, but you guys know him well,
so because there is Bengals news Joe Flacco has a
bad shoulder and we've got to talk about the game
on Sunday, so we will interrupt for the first time
(00:59):
ever the Chad and Rick College Basketball Spectacular to talk
to Skinny.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But that's okay, right, Sure, How you doing, guys, great?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What's going on? It's time? It is time. I'm I'm
also ready to go.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I don't think I'm gonna make a lot of people
happy today, No, no, really?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, do you guys love exhibition season?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I like it. I love it. I do like it.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's it's everybody has the same take. I just I
wish these games could be played during the regular season.
Kentucky Purdue was a fun watch. I want that game
to matter.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Yeah, I just don't think they're going to do that.
And this is a great alternative still see the see
the game happen without a lot of pomp and circumstances.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Hype around it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You know, it wasn't a fun watch.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Arkansas Cincinnati, that was not a fun one. No, that
was miserable. That was miserable.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
First time I had ever been to Chrysler Arena. Yeah,
nice place. Had a good time.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The one thing I do miss is I'm the the
athletes and action game because that was what I enjoyed
most about.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
That was. Oh yeah, that guy, Oh I remember that dude,
Marathon Oil. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And you would see these guys from like four or
five years prior that you would kind of wonder whatever
happened to him, and they'd be playing for Marathon Oil
or Athletes in Action and.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
They can smoke a cigarette at halftime. Those are great.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Games, that's right, that's right. Yeah, the I watched the
whole Arkansas game. I watched the Michigan game after the facts,
but I watched the first half of Arkansas live, and
my takeaway was, Holy hell, Arkansas is playing really hard.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
It's a perfect setting for coach coach cal team where
teams aren't really trying to like game plan and stop them,
and they can run up and down the floor and
overwhelm you with their athleticism. They overwhelmed Cincinnati with their athleticism.
I do think like when you get to like Houston,
Iowa State, some teams like that, Like a couple of
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red flags went up for some teams Cincinnati will be
facing because I just don't think they're overly long and
athletic at guard. I think they can they can be
pretty good at guard. But a team like that could
very well give them a lot of issues.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So let's not talk about that one. Let's talk about
the Michigan game.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Okay, because for the first half of that one, I
immensely enjoyed the shot of Bay of experience.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yeah, he's he's gonna be a freshman. He's gonna have
his ups and downs, but when he hits his ups,
it's gonna really really excite this fan base offensively. He's
just insanely gifted. Yeah, you know, he can pass, he
can shoot, he can drive, has good feel for offense.
So when he's playing, well, you know, things are gonna
(03:42):
be very fun. But there's gonna be some games that
he that he struggles too, that people are gonna have
to smile through.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
A Yeah, here they are, They're ready. I listened to
the Murray Steak game. Uh, and that I saw Richard
Pettis tweets after the Murray State game one in which
he referenced the beer right the Muskie Lagger, which is
a cool can, and then he went out of his
way to mention on social media the game doesn't counts.
(04:13):
I can't find anybody who thinks the Musketeers are going
to be really good. So it kind of felt like
that just fed that that narrative, so to speak. What
was most troubling about the seventy five seventy home loss
to the.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Racers I think that if you were there in person
watching it, it didn't feel like a fluke. Like if
they lined it up and played it again this weekend,
I don't know that you'd be more confident that Xavier
was going to come away with a win and that
was just like a one off bad night.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And then that was kind of backed up by the.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Fact that the word coming out of the secret scrimmage
against Toledo was that they also lost that one and
had nineteen turnovers and didn't play very well at times. So, yeah,
there's a lot of concerning things coming out of the
preseason from a is this team going to farewell?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
From a wins loss perspective, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Can't find anybody who thinks the answer is yes.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, I think that's pretty much the case right now.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I mean, we did our season preview podcast last night
for Musketeer Report, and I had them at eleven and
twenty overall, five and fifteen in the Big East.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Eleven and twenty.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's hard for those of us who have followed that
program to wrap our brains around.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I think it's just a little bit different this year,
having to not only replace an entire roster, but you
were in a situation last year during the transfer portal
where you had the rules changing by July first. You
had these football schools with nil collectives that were like,
we got to dump the whole collective right now before
July first upfront, and the school's also going to pay
guys after July first, so we're kind of double dipping
(05:41):
in terms of NILA. David didn't have that, so they
kind of were recruiting an entire roster in the transfer
portal with one hand tied behind their back. I think
they'll be in a much better spot for at least
this upcoming spring before I'm sure the rules could change
again after that. But this past year it was a
very difficult year to be trying to rebuild an entire roster,
and I think that, shit.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
What should they be at least decent at this season?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
And that's a really good question. We talked about that
last night on the podcast, like strengths weaknesses. Where do
you go and try to say what are they going
to hang their hat on? What are you sure about
them being good at? There's not a lot there at
least yet, and part of it is just that we
haven't seen them a lot, right I mean, we don't
know it's an entirely sh team.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yea.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
All these guys are making some type of step up
and level of competition. So I don't think there's one
thing that I've seen so far where I'm like, yeah,
that looks really good. You could say on paper, they
look like a long team, but I haven't seen that
equate to like better rebounding or really good defense yet,
So I'm still waiting to see what that strength is.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, it feels like the Big East is gonna be
the non league schedule, is what it is, so to speak, Uh,
it is last place in the Big East possible.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I think it's in play.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Now.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Here's the one thing where we might be and I
might be a little off and overblowing how much they
could struggle is I think seventh through eleven in the.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Big East is all gonna be pretty bad, right.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
I think a lot of those schools were in a
similar spot last year during the transfer portal so and
a lot of them were turning over a lot of
their rosters. So they're all in a spot where who
knows what they're gonna look like, and it could be
pretty bad at the bottom of the conference.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So maybe they'll pick.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Up a few more wins along the way in conference
play than you might otherwise think a team like this
would in the Big East. Right, But yeah, it's I
think it's in play that they could be anywhere from
like eight to eleven in this conference.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Why are you gonna make people mad? Chad?
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I think this has a chance to be a pretty
good team. But when I start looking at the Big twelve,
where do they fit?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah? I mean the top preseason, Paul, they were picked eighth.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Eighth, Yeah, eighth is you're squarely on the bubble with
very very little margin for error.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I think you could.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I think I would probably have had them seventh, that
had a Baylor because I don't know that I love
Baylor's roster. I think I like Cincinnati's roster a little
bit more.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right, Dan Skilling scores twenty four against.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Him, that's gonna happen. This is how my life works.
You're gonna watch vintage Dan Skillings. Yes at Fifth third Arena. Yes,
But they have against those seven teams, they have eight games,
four on the road, four at home. How many Houston,
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Kansas BYU, Iowa State, Arizona, you know of that group?
What are you confident thinking their record will be in
those eight games, right, And that's.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
This is an audio medium. I don't know how to
describe the face I just made.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
That's where I'm at right, Like, I think it's got
a chance to be a pretty good team. The only
thing that has me maybe a little feeling a little
different than the past couple of years on that front.
A lot more freshmen oriented at the top of the
Big twelve this year, so there's gonna be some a
little bit more instability than we've seen with these veteran
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you know rosters that Like, there's teams in the NBA
that are younger than Houston, so that'll maybe add a
little bit of variance. But if they're in that six, seven,
eight range, you're walking to tightrope. You know, you've got
to thread a pretty tight needle. And I don't see
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a roster that I think, you know, two and six,
if you go two and two at home and you
lose the four road games, if you feel okay with
two and six and those eight upper echelon games, and
then you've got ten games to win seven, right, and
half of them on the road and half of them.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
On the road.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So I'm looking at it though, and I'm kind of
squinting my eyes and going, if this goes really well,
there might be a really tight rope to walk here
for for this roster.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And that's if it goes really well. Yeah. How much
are they gonna miss Jalen Haynes quite a bit?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Because I think he gave them some of that physicality
that last year's team was missing. Inside. You're gonna have
it on the perimeter with with Buck Harris, You're gonna
have it with Kirkers. It's just a little toughness that
they didn't have last year. I thought Jalen Haynes was
that guy in the interior. I like bobon Miller, I
(10:29):
like Mustapha Chom. Nobody's gonna be confused. We're not gonna
watch the gaming. Guy's a junkyard dog, right like. So
Jalen Haynes was kind of that guy. So I do
think there's a misconception. I think a lot of people
saw Jalen Haynes' size and thought he was like Danny.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Fordson the basket. That's that's not his game.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
A lot of this game is catch up, fifteen feet,
turn and face pass, drive, take advantage of his is
a mismatch, but it's not gonna be like this big
loss and back to the basket scoring, because I don't
think you would have gotten a little bit of that
from him. But in watching his game, I never walked
away thinking that's a guy that you just duck in,
(11:15):
have him put his hand up, throw it to him
and he's gonna put a move and lay it off
the backboard. That that wasn't his game. But they're gonna
miss him because offensively, he was the most offensively advanced
big on the roster. And now you're playing on a
team that I don't think it's gonna be great offensively.
(11:36):
Like if they're top forty offensively, I think that's a
pretty good year. I don't think they're gonna be a
top twenty offense. I think you're making me mad, quite frankly.
That's kind of what I was getting at when I said,
is he gonna play this year? I mean, is there
a school of thought that suggests it's a possibility that
(11:56):
he comes back. It's a possibility misses the whole year.
There's a possibility for a red shirt, but he's already played.
This is his fifth year of college basketball, So he
would need a waiver that you can't get until after
the season. So does he risk like if he can
come back for the final six weeks of the season,
does he decide I need to because I don't. I
(12:18):
can't bet on the NCAA granting me a six year
of eligibility.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You want me to leave, I want you to stop talking.
I'm sorry, I get it. Football's eight seven and one.
Football's good. Yeah, football is good.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
We're just overflowing with optimism on the annual ched and
Rick College Basketball spectacul.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Learn me get home. What five o'clock in the morning Sunday?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
We are supposed to land at five thirty and Tony
and I. Tony and I will be on the air
from the Holy Grail at nine am. This is because
the daylight savings kills us this go round. Because we
did this. They played Colorado last year. Right, we landed
at seven, Tony and I stopped off. I got donuts,
Buttermilk Pike Dunkin Donuts went to the Holy Ground. Right,
(13:06):
we could plow through just on the air till eleven thirty.
This is an earlier arrival because of daylight savings. So
now five thirty shows at nine. If I go home
and sleep for an hour, that's not good. Uh, and
so what do I do?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Sleep in your car for an hour? Oh yeah, that's
a good idea. Yeah. So no, I'm not sleeping on
my site.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Where it's in the parking garage downtown. It's safe.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I just I don't want to sleep in my car.
So I think I'm going to go to the Anchor
Bar and grill.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Sit down.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
We made but we never closed. I don't think Tony
has been. So that's my preliminary plan on Sunday morning.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
The only problem is they do close now they do. Yeah,
I don't know if they've quit doing that, but you know,
COVID ruined everything.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
They're not twenty four hours anymore.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Not last I checked.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I'd send you to the pepper Pod, but they're closed
for good. Pepper Pod, Well, it's gone.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Still.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Peel the smoke off the walls in that place, I
guess nothing. All right, cold seasoning, We're we're gonna brighten
things up and we're gonna spend I'm gonna spend a
few minutes talking with Richard Skinner about Joe Flacco not
being able to play on Sunday, it's gonna be going.
Then we'll come back to how bad the Bearcats and
Musketeers are going to be. We have to talk about
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Eight, they'll lose forty one to ten.
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are the North is going to be any good.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
It's another team where it's like when you're replacing nine
guys on your roster and turned over a lot and
the rest of the league is doing the same thing.
It's tough to say, but I think they've got they've
got a chance to be pretty good in the Horizon
League towards the time.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
A lot of new guys, a lot of guys from
other countries.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Yeah, it's it's a really interesting group of guys, but
fun group to be around, really mature because some of
those guys, for like Ethan Elliot who they brought over
from Australia is gonna play point guard. Just a super
mature kid is into his twenties already, and it's a
little bit different when guys are trying to advance their
professional careers already.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
You know, I wasn't super mature in my twenties.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I was around and that's super mature in my forties,
right me either. But the North chance there's Atty good
Rick seems pretty balanced now. He's done a good up
coming out of it. I don't think you and I ever,
I think well, he did spend the summer eating taco
bell for thirty one consecutive days. Maturity, that's a word
you could use, intestinal maturity.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
What did that do to your body?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Nothing?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I was completely fine. It's what is taco bell. It's meat,
cheese and a tortilla. Why do people act like it's.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Twenty one straight days? If anything is not good?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
If what do you normally eat at home? Meat cheese,
some bread?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I guess so.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
I mean, look people, if taco bell is ruining your stomach,
you've got bigger problems than time.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Did you go?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
How many times? Like how many different taco bells did
you Visit was the same one.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
It was mostly the Newport one, so they got to
know you. I was getting a little worried about that.
But I think they turn over employees so much as
soccer bells.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Why why did you stop at thirty one? Then why
not extend it?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I said, I could do that for an entire year.
The only problem is basketball season. It becomes inconvenient because
you're sometimes in a hotel that doesn't have a taco
bell anywhere nearby, and you don't have a car. And okay,
I'm not spending forty dollars on a door dash for
taco bell.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's the issue.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Okay, fair but I could do that for an entire year.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Seriously, Okay, fair enough, Yeah, very good.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So we don't think the Musketeers are going to be
very good.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I think it's going to be a roughie.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And we don't think the Bearcats are going to be
as good as everybody expects, because I think there's an
expectation like, these guys are going to be awesome.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Here's the problem. They can be good and they're still
going to be walking this tightrope. Yeah, there's nothing in
my brain that says in that eight game window of
that they're going to go four and four. Yeah, if
you told me they were going to go four and four,
I'd say they're going to have a really good year.
I'm coming up two and six, three and five, Like
(18:47):
best case scenario. That means you gotta go six and ten,
seven and ten and all the other big twelve games.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Right, that's a tall task, even if you're having a
good year.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
So we've talked about this. It feels like last year,
accumulate talent, figure it out. This year, built a roster, right,
built guy who fits.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
You got guards, you've got wings, you've got different kinds
of forwards.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You've got centers. Yeah, who is their best player going
to be? I think if they're.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Going to be tournament good, I think their best player
needs to be Bobby Miller because he's got he can
do the most things. Can play defense, can rebound, can shoot,
can pass, can handle the ball pretty well like I
think he is. They will go as far as his
(19:40):
upside allows.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Need to make bucket, He'll get it for you.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I don't know that I'm that's more of a guard thing, yeah, typically,
but like need to need to get a big rebound,
need to maybe stop a run, you can go to him.
I don't know in the final two minutes if I'm
isolating going one to four flat and throwing a lot
Ofba Miller per se. But I think just because of
the number of things he has the potential to do well,
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he's the key.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
There was an NBA scout friend of mine that was
in practice and he said, look, Bob, I is gonna
gonna have thirteen and six at halftime, and everybody's gonna
be flipping out about how awesome he is. He's gonna
end with fifteen and seven. And this is a scout
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from a prominent NBA franchise that is near and dear
to Mo's heart.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Is the next guy potentially, so well, we're not going
to be in the lottery, but we'll take him.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
He loves Mustapha Chom though, okay, loves him him in
his in his I think like late first, early second round.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
So some of the UCF guys were here for the
football game and like still not they the other pissed
the man.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
They're pissed. He's he's good, He's very good. Who's your
best player going to be?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That's another really good question.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I think a lot of questions with no answers today.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
That's the problem when you think about this team and
why I have them losing a lot more games than
they're winning, because I there's a ton of questions and
I don't see clear answers to any of them. I think,
you know, Malik Messina more looks to be the best
offensive player and score to me. But I think overall,
Trey Carroll early on, at least through the first exhibition
and scrimmage and some of what we saw in the preseason,
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looks to be the best all around player. And I
think what he does well, which is play really hard
pursue the ball, get fouled, make some shots, play efficiently
on offense.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
You can rely on that.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
With more consistency, then maybe you can rely on some
of the other guys games.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
And the best part is him and Baba Miller shared
a position last year.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Will that that'd be the storyline we need for the
shootout to keep.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Its lust in.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, now the shootout's lost this year. This year, Doc
might be right here. This might be the year that
shoot out lose its luster. I can't wait to read
the column shout out the enquire But.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
What if he goes the other way?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
What it's back?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It's bad. This is the year slus season.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Williams write that column right now? The shootout is back
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Twenty six.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think there is a sense though that if you
see can't win there this year, they're never gonna They
never will.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Does that make it back if you see finally breaks
that Kerson wins there, or it is the luster dead
because that was the expected that you s supposed to win.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You know, I don't know. I have weeks to ponder that,
but I do think. I do think if you if
you ask Bearcat fans I mean they said that. We
said the same thing two years ago, right like, and
that was not a very good Xavier team and a
very good UC team. But I think there was a
sense of like, all right, if if they're ever gonna win,
it's in toss. It's got to be that game two
years ago they did not. I've I've listened to people
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who love Xavier basketball who have said, like, this is
gonna be the year where they lose for the first
time in a quarter century that you see at home
and then every Bearcat fan goes, yeah, cool, one of
those dudes is gonna go five for seven from three.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Another guy, well, m h two thousand and six, the
Andy Kennedy year No.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Two thousand well to December, December of two thousand, the
two thousand and six to seventh season they mixed ragtag.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yes, Sean Miller's first one where that that UC team,
which was dreadful, won two games in the Big East,
beat Xavior.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But that game was that U see right, But this
game is that Xavier, man, that's the parallel.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yes, you're right now, You're right, Rick, Thank you for that.
It was not really a question there.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
But thank you for that reference. Thank you for putting
it together for the I I've.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Lost for a second, but I feel like this is
most UC fans look at this in Xavier fans as
well as if it's if it's ever going to end
the streak of Xavier beating you see, it's sentas it's
it's going to be this year.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Yeah, I said, but I do feel like if they
don't win this one. I think I might have said
the same thing two years ago, but if they don't
win this one, they're never going to win at the
Sentas center feels.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Like is there you know you talk about like a
lot of the things that went down this offseason that
worked against Xavier.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Do you.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I think most of you the roster is underwhelming. Do
you put any of that on Richard?
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I mean, ultimately, I guess everyone's going to be like
the head coach is responsible for the roster. But I
more than anything, the situation that Xavier was in this
year is one you're replacing an entirely new roster because
you lost your previous head coach, which is something that
almost every school seems to go through. Now, when you
lose your head coach, you got to replace it entirely new.
Roster to do that in the same year where you
had And granted NIL has been changing almost every year
(24:36):
every other year as we go anyway, so I'm not
sure there is like a standard for ANIL. But the
way it was operating the last two three years, all
of a sudden flipped on its head this one off
season while you were trying to do that put them
in a doubly bad position.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So that's where I put most of the blame.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
I don't think it's anyone's fault per se, other than maybe,
you know, if you want to put it on xavi's
donors for not pouring out all of their financial earnings
over the course of my lifetimes, maybe it's on them.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
So go ahead, Did they bankroll it because you can technically.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I don't even know what you're asking right now.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
The revenue share, the revenue share.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
What I mean. So, so the way it's.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Gonna be good financial lesson the.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Way that the calendar WI I could use that July
first is the fiscal year start, so you can spend
less on this roster all the way around to April
and then April to July have more for the more
for the following year, because there's a three month window
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from the end of the season to the start of
the fiscal year that if you didn't spend everything that
you can spend on revenue share, you could hypothetically load
up for the next year you roll it over.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
I did not know the scientific term was bankroll for that,
so that is on me.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I will I think I just heard that up.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Also, I have not talked to it's financial people about
how they handle that exactly, so I'm not sure, but
I sense there's probably a little bit of like a.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Hey, we're in a really bad spot.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
We're not going to spend an extra two hundred grand
to get a slightly more average player. We're gonna take
what we can get here and look forward to the future.
But they also did it with you know, they have
five sophomores those Billy wise, and you can't plan for
the future in this current era of basketball, but you
can try to promote the future and be like, hey,
hopefully a couple of these guys are good and we
can keep them around.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I it just it feels weird. It feels weird. Look,
it's I think It's never been more difficult for a
first year head coach in any program. Obviously Rich Potino
has been a head coach. It just it feels weird
to talk about Xavier basketball in terms where we're wondering
if they're gonna lose twenty games before the season begins.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, I think that's this is fair to say.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
The one thing that I do think, you know, anytime
you get a new coaching staff, that's fun to see
what's the style going to look like? What different? So
are you going to see what type of players does
he like? And I think that is going to look
different from what Xavier fans have been and used to
over the last twenty plus years. Because one thing you
got to realize is, you know, Sean Miller took over
after Thamana and then basically everything since then has been
his design. You know, the coaches after him were from
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his tree and kept what he did in place, including
the bastardized pack line back line defense. He has been
given up one hundred and fifty threes a game for
the last few years. In the current system of college basketball.
I think that's going to be the most exciting part
for fans is Let's see what it looks like with
a disruptive defense that puts pressure in fall screen situations
and forces turnovers and takes the action to the offensive players.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That's going to be the most fun part of the season.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I think, Yeah, I think it's cool they went outside
the family. And nothing against Chris Shawn times too, Travis.
It isn't, you know, be good or be interesting. It's
interesting that they went outside the family. And uh, it
just the way that team is being talked about doesn't
mesh with what you have come over the years to
expect Xavier basketball to be all about. And then then
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you hear folks who cry poverty and they don't have
any money, and it's just this is a This feels
and sounds and looks different.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
I think it's going to be interesting when the season
actually gets going because Xavier fans are bracing themselves right
now for Okay, I think there's gonna be a rebuilding
or it's gonna be tough, But what's that actually look
like when you're four and for it to start the season.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Can they actually handle that part of it right?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Everybody says, you know, willing to put up with the
growing pains until they're deal actually dealing with them.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yes, and I think that's going to be tough.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Did you see non conference schedule? Check all the boxes
you want a non conference schedule to.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Check checked enough.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
It's not great, it's but it's enough. Dayton, Xavier, Georgia, Cliffson, Louisville.
You've got the one big, big name game in Louisville.
I guess a couple teams that are going to be
in a similar situation to you on the on the
kind of that bubble area. I think with Georgia and Clemson,
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Xavier's you know gonna probably be rough this year, but
in sentas, yeah, you never know. Yeah, and then Dayton's
probably going They're gonna stink, aren't they. I don't think
Dyton's gonna be very good.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I don't think. I think based on what I hear,
I think.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Just one guy in this gambling thing, like you're gonna
have him on for locks of the weekend?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I might, I might, I might do that. What is
what is best case? What is best case? I mean
best cases? They make the tournament with ease, You wake
up on selection Sunday and you know they're in, and
again at the end of the day, it's the bram
and thatn everybody's gonna use.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Best case they finish fifth, okay, sixth in the Big
twelve and comfortably in and like five seed somewhere five
six seeds somewhere in.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
The worst case involves you putting together a hotboard.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yeah, although I think it would have to be pretty
bad for that to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But like not bubble and your team number sixty nine
or seven secs.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Think it's like if he misses that, he's automatically right,
you would have to apply context. Yes, all right, how's
it look?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Best case for the Musketeers. Best case everything goes.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Swimmingly well, yeah, and there is one thing to keep
an eye on. Two with that.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
In terms of Gabriel Pizzato, the Evansville transfer, who, by
all accounts in the summer looked like maybe the top
player on the roster. If he does come back a
little earlier than expected and he starts playing well and
things start to click, then maybe you know, Xavier's looking
more at like six or seventh in the Big East.
Like I said, I think the bottom of the Big
East is going to be really mediocre to bad this year,
So I think it's reasonable to think they could come
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in closer to like five hundred overall, maybe sixteen and fifteen,
fifteen and sixteen, something like that, and you go, you
win seven or eight games in the Big East.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I think that would be like five hundred.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's like the gay to cross five hundred and you
feel really good.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I think that's kind of the best case scenario for
them this.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Year, and k you can win the Horizon League.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I think that's in play.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
I mean that's without knowing they're not going to be,
you know, picked in the top three.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
But I think they're definitely in contention for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And Kentucky fans are really exciting and Mark Pope's team
is going to be really.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Good, right anything. I keep hearing this twenty two number
tossed around. Somebody mentioned to me last week they might
be closer to a forty million dollars roster than a
twenty million dollars roster. I think people are under I
watched the Purdue game, Man.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Do you understand what that means for like every player
on that roster, like Trent Noah's getting three million dollars.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I find that hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
But see that's part of it that I think a
lot of us can't wrap our brains getting six asked.
I get asked this all the time. What does so
and so make? You could tell me it's forty five
K a year. You could tell me it's four point
five million a year. I do, I have no idea?
Should we know more than we make?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Should we know? I mean, would I all I had
a lot, I hold yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I hold onto the belief that it would be more
fun if we had no idea what athletes made, it
would just we.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Would It would be more fun.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Now how we talk about roster construction would change and
I get all that. Do you want to know what
college basketball player is getting paid?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
I think the ambiguity is going to create more problems because,
like we already saw with the kid at BYU, the
top freend in the country this year, A J. Dabantsa,
everyone's reporting he got eight million dollars to go there,
seven million dollars to go there. Truth is, it sounds
like it was more like three and a half four
million to go there, right, So, I mean, these numbers
are all over the place, and either way, whatever the
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rumors are, fans are going to run with whatever the
highest dollar amount is. Use that for pressure, use that
for why the guy is a bust, all those types
of things. I think at some point it's almost going
to be better to have the real information out there.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
When are they going to expand the tournament? How much
am I gonna hate it?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's gonna be next year. It's gonna stink. It's gonna stink. Yeah,
nobody wants it. I don't want it, but I'm gonna
watch more basketball.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah sure, I'm gonna watch, but I don't watch it.
I have ten people for you and Skinny to rank
their careers tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Come up with this.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
How many of them do you think I would know?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Uh? You know what? Probably not well.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
One you'll know, okay, because one's a former colleague of viewers,
So shout out to Gary Miller. It's not Gary Miller,
but Hawkins. Artrell Hawkins is not on here. But there's
the list, and thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Just get taken to Skinny ten am tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
We'll be recorded in advance. Thank you for joining me
every week, both of you during the season. We'll talk
football tomorrow tomorrow you and I chat and Rick wolchat
next Wednesday, and thank you so much as always, thank you.
Thanks bo all right, love it lifting, It really was.
Can't wait for the season to begin.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Doo hoops.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Well there's always the Reds. I might the Bengals game
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Lapham to make us feel better. They are next. We
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Thanks for listening. Hopefully you're having like the most awesome
Wednesday ever. God knows we are. I can't tell you
how many years we've been doing this where we have
Chad Brendel and Rick Brewing in studio to preview the
college basketball season. I feel like one day we're gonna
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end up doing this in like September.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Because the season gets earlier and earlier.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Chad Brendel, Bearcat Journal dot com, Rickbrowing Musketeer Report dot com.
You'll also hear him on NKU radio broadcast, both in studio.
We're gonna have to interrupt this in fifteen minutes to
talk to Richard Skinner, but you guys know him well,
so because there is Bengals news Joe Flacco has a
bad shoulder and we've got to talk about the game
on Sunday, so we will interrupt for the first time
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ever the Chad and Rick College Basketball Spectacular to talk
to Skinny.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But that's okay, right, Sure, How you doing, guys, great?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What's going on? It's time? It is time. I'm I'm
also ready to go.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I don't think I'm gonna make a lot of people
happy today, No, no, really?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, do you guys love exhibition season?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I like it. I love it. I do like it.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's it's everybody has the same take. I just I
wish these games could be played during the regular season.
Kentucky Purdue was a fun watch. I want that game
to matter.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Yeah, I just don't think they're going to do that.
And this is a great alternative still see the see
the game happen without a lot of pomp and circumstances.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Hype around it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You know, it wasn't a fun watch.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Arkansas Cincinnati, that was not a fun one. No, that
was miserable. That was miserable.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
First time I had ever been to Chrysler Arena. Yeah,
nice place. Had a good time.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The one thing I do miss is I'm the the
athletes and action game because that was what I enjoyed
most about.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
That was. Oh yeah, that guy, Oh I remember that dude,
Marathon Oil. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And you would see these guys from like four or
five years prior that you would kind of wonder whatever
happened to him, and they'd be playing for Marathon Oil
or Athletes in Action and.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
They can smoke a cigarette at halftime. Those are great.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Games, that's right, that's right. Yeah, the I watched the
whole Arkansas game. I watched the Michigan game after the facts,
but I watched the first half of Arkansas live, and
my takeaway was, Holy hell, Arkansas is playing really hard.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
It's a perfect setting for coach coach cal team where
teams aren't really trying to like game plan and stop them,
and they can run up and down the floor and
overwhelm you with their athleticism. They overwhelmed Cincinnati with their athleticism.
I do think like when you get to like Houston,
Iowa State, some teams like that, Like a couple of
(02:55):
red flags went up for some teams Cincinnati will be
facing because I just don't think they're overly long and
athletic at guard. I think they can they can be
pretty good at guard. But a team like that could
very well give them a lot of issues.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So let's not talk about that one. Let's talk about
the Michigan game.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Okay, because for the first half of that one, I
immensely enjoyed the shot of Bay of experience.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yeah, he's he's gonna be a freshman. He's gonna have
his ups and downs, but when he hits his ups,
it's gonna really really excite this fan base offensively. He's
just insanely gifted. Yeah, you know, he can pass, he
can shoot, he can drive, has good feel for offense.
So when he's playing, well, you know, things are gonna
(03:42):
be very fun. But there's gonna be some games that
he that he struggles too, that people are gonna have
to smile through.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
A Yeah, here they are, They're ready. I listened to
the Murray Steak game. Uh, and that I saw Richard
Pettis tweets after the Murray State game one in which
he referenced the beer right the Muskie Lagger, which is
a cool can, and then he went out of his
way to mention on social media the game doesn't counts.
(04:13):
I can't find anybody who thinks the Musketeers are going
to be really good. So it kind of felt like
that just fed that that narrative, so to speak. What
was most troubling about the seventy five seventy home loss
to the.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Racers I think that if you were there in person
watching it, it didn't feel like a fluke. Like if
they lined it up and played it again this weekend,
I don't know that you'd be more confident that Xavier
was going to come away with a win and that
was just like a one off bad night.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And then that was kind of backed up by the.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Fact that the word coming out of the secret scrimmage
against Toledo was that they also lost that one and
had nineteen turnovers and didn't play very well at times. So, yeah,
there's a lot of concerning things coming out of the
preseason from a is this team going to farewell?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
From a wins loss perspective, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Can't find anybody who thinks the answer is yes.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, I think that's pretty much the case right now.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I mean, we did our season preview podcast last night
for Musketeer Report, and I had them at eleven and
twenty overall, five and fifteen in the Big East.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Eleven and twenty.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's hard for those of us who have followed that
program to wrap our brains around.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I think it's just a little bit different this year,
having to not only replace an entire roster, but you
were in a situation last year during the transfer portal
where you had the rules changing by July first. You
had these football schools with nil collectives that were like,
we got to dump the whole collective right now before
July first upfront, and the school's also going to pay
guys after July first, so we're kind of double dipping
(05:41):
in terms of NILA. David didn't have that, so they
kind of were recruiting an entire roster in the transfer
portal with one hand tied behind their back. I think
they'll be in a much better spot for at least
this upcoming spring before I'm sure the rules could change
again after that. But this past year it was a
very difficult year to be trying to rebuild an entire roster,
and I think that, shit.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
What should they be at least decent at this season?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
And that's a really good question. We talked about that
last night on the podcast, like strengths weaknesses. Where do
you go and try to say what are they going
to hang their hat on? What are you sure about
them being good at? There's not a lot there at
least yet, and part of it is just that we
haven't seen them a lot, right I mean, we don't
know it's an entirely sh team.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yea.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
All these guys are making some type of step up
and level of competition. So I don't think there's one
thing that I've seen so far where I'm like, yeah,
that looks really good. You could say on paper, they
look like a long team, but I haven't seen that
equate to like better rebounding or really good defense yet,
So I'm still waiting to see what that strength is.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, it feels like the Big East is gonna be
the non league schedule, is what it is, so to speak, Uh,
it is last place in the Big East possible.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I think it's in play.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Now.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Here's the one thing where we might be and I
might be a little off and overblowing how much they
could struggle is I think seventh through eleven in the.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Big East is all gonna be pretty bad, right.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
I think a lot of those schools were in a
similar spot last year during the transfer portal so and
a lot of them were turning over a lot of
their rosters. So they're all in a spot where who
knows what they're gonna look like, and it could be
pretty bad at the bottom of the conference.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So maybe they'll pick.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Up a few more wins along the way in conference
play than you might otherwise think a team like this
would in the Big East. Right, But yeah, it's I
think it's in play that they could be anywhere from
like eight to eleven in this conference.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Why are you gonna make people mad? Chad?
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I think this has a chance to be a pretty
good team. But when I start looking at the Big twelve,
where do they fit?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah? I mean the top preseason, Paul, they were picked eighth.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Eighth, Yeah, eighth is you're squarely on the bubble with
very very little margin for error.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I think you could.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I think I would probably have had them seventh, that
had a Baylor because I don't know that I love
Baylor's roster. I think I like Cincinnati's roster a little
bit more.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right, Dan Skilling scores twenty four against.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Him, that's gonna happen. This is how my life works.
You're gonna watch vintage Dan Skillings. Yes at Fifth third Arena. Yes,
But they have against those seven teams, they have eight games,
four on the road, four at home. How many Houston,
(08:24):
Kansas BYU, Iowa State, Arizona, you know of that group?
What are you confident thinking their record will be in
those eight games, right, And that's.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
This is an audio medium. I don't know how to
describe the face I just made.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
That's where I'm at right, Like, I think it's got
a chance to be a pretty good team. The only
thing that has me maybe a little feeling a little
different than the past couple of years on that front.
A lot more freshmen oriented at the top of the
Big twelve this year, so there's gonna be some a
little bit more instability than we've seen with these veteran
(09:11):
you know rosters that Like, there's teams in the NBA
that are younger than Houston, so that'll maybe add a
little bit of variance. But if they're in that six, seven,
eight range, you're walking to tightrope. You know, you've got
to thread a pretty tight needle. And I don't see
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a roster that I think, you know, two and six,
if you go two and two at home and you
lose the four road games, if you feel okay with
two and six and those eight upper echelon games, and
then you've got ten games to win seven, right, and
half of them on the road and half of them.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
On the road.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So I'm looking at it though, and I'm kind of
squinting my eyes and going, if this goes really well,
there might be a really tight rope to walk here
for for this roster.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And that's if it goes really well. Yeah. How much
are they gonna miss Jalen Haynes quite a bit?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Because I think he gave them some of that physicality
that last year's team was missing. Inside. You're gonna have
it on the perimeter with with Buck Harris, You're gonna
have it with Kirkers. It's just a little toughness that
they didn't have last year. I thought Jalen Haynes was
that guy in the interior. I like bobon Miller, I
(10:29):
like Mustapha Chom. Nobody's gonna be confused. We're not gonna
watch the gaming. Guy's a junkyard dog, right like. So
Jalen Haynes was kind of that guy. So I do
think there's a misconception. I think a lot of people
saw Jalen Haynes' size and thought he was like Danny.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Fordson the basket. That's that's not his game.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
A lot of this game is catch up, fifteen feet,
turn and face pass, drive, take advantage of his is
a mismatch, but it's not gonna be like this big
loss and back to the basket scoring, because I don't
think you would have gotten a little bit of that
from him. But in watching his game, I never walked
away thinking that's a guy that you just duck in,
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have him put his hand up, throw it to him
and he's gonna put a move and lay it off
the backboard. That that wasn't his game. But they're gonna
miss him because offensively, he was the most offensively advanced
big on the roster. And now you're playing on a
team that I don't think it's gonna be great offensively.
(11:36):
Like if they're top forty offensively, I think that's a
pretty good year. I don't think they're gonna be a
top twenty offense. I think you're making me mad, quite frankly.
That's kind of what I was getting at when I said,
is he gonna play this year? I mean, is there
a school of thought that suggests it's a possibility that
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he comes back. It's a possibility misses the whole year.
There's a possibility for a red shirt, but he's already played.
This is his fifth year of college basketball, So he
would need a waiver that you can't get until after
the season. So does he risk like if he can
come back for the final six weeks of the season,
does he decide I need to because I don't. I
(12:18):
can't bet on the NCAA granting me a six year
of eligibility.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You want me to leave, I want you to stop talking.
I'm sorry, I get it. Football's eight seven and one.
Football's good. Yeah, football is good.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
We're just overflowing with optimism on the annual ched and
Rick College Basketball spectacul.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Learn me get home. What five o'clock in the morning Sunday?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
We are supposed to land at five thirty and Tony
and I. Tony and I will be on the air
from the Holy Grail at nine am. This is because
the daylight savings kills us this go round. Because we
did this. They played Colorado last year. Right, we landed
at seven, Tony and I stopped off. I got donuts,
Buttermilk Pike Dunkin Donuts went to the Holy Ground. Right,
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we could plow through just on the air till eleven thirty.
This is an earlier arrival because of daylight savings. So
now five thirty shows at nine. If I go home
and sleep for an hour, that's not good. Uh, and
so what do I do?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Sleep in your car for an hour? Oh yeah, that's
a good idea. Yeah. So no, I'm not sleeping on
my site.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Where it's in the parking garage downtown. It's safe.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I just I don't want to sleep in my car.
So I think I'm going to go to the Anchor
Bar and grill.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Sit down.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
We made but we never closed. I don't think Tony
has been. So that's my preliminary plan on Sunday morning.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
The only problem is they do close now they do. Yeah,
I don't know if they've quit doing that, but you know,
COVID ruined everything.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
They're not twenty four hours anymore.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Not last I checked.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I'd send you to the pepper Pod, but they're closed
for good. Pepper Pod, Well, it's gone.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Still.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Peel the smoke off the walls in that place, I
guess nothing. All right, cold seasoning, We're we're gonna brighten
things up and we're gonna spend I'm gonna spend a
few minutes talking with Richard Skinner about Joe Flacco not
being able to play on Sunday, it's gonna be going.
Then we'll come back to how bad the Bearcats and
Musketeers are going to be. We have to talk about
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Eight, they'll lose forty one to ten.
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are the North is going to be any good.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
It's another team where it's like when you're replacing nine
guys on your roster and turned over a lot and
the rest of the league is doing the same thing.
It's tough to say, but I think they've got they've
got a chance to be pretty good in the Horizon
League towards the time.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
A lot of new guys, a lot of guys from
other countries.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Yeah, it's it's a really interesting group of guys, but
fun group to be around, really mature because some of
those guys, for like Ethan Elliot who they brought over
from Australia is gonna play point guard. Just a super
mature kid is into his twenties already, and it's a
little bit different when guys are trying to advance their
professional careers already.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
You know, I wasn't super mature in my twenties.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I was around and that's super mature in my forties,
right me either. But the North chance there's Atty good
Rick seems pretty balanced now. He's done a good up
coming out of it. I don't think you and I ever,
I think well, he did spend the summer eating taco
bell for thirty one consecutive days. Maturity, that's a word
you could use, intestinal maturity.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
What did that do to your body?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Nothing?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I was completely fine. It's what is taco bell. It's meat,
cheese and a tortilla. Why do people act like it's.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Twenty one straight days? If anything is not good?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
If what do you normally eat at home? Meat cheese,
some bread?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I guess so.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
I mean, look people, if taco bell is ruining your stomach,
you've got bigger problems than time.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Did you go?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
How many times? Like how many different taco bells did
you Visit was the same one.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
It was mostly the Newport one, so they got to
know you. I was getting a little worried about that.
But I think they turn over employees so much as
soccer bells.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Why why did you stop at thirty one? Then why
not extend it?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I said, I could do that for an entire year.
The only problem is basketball season. It becomes inconvenient because
you're sometimes in a hotel that doesn't have a taco
bell anywhere nearby, and you don't have a car. And okay,
I'm not spending forty dollars on a door dash for
taco bell.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's the issue.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Okay, fair but I could do that for an entire year.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Seriously, Okay, fair enough, Yeah, very good.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So we don't think the Musketeers are going to be
very good.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I think it's going to be a roughie.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And we don't think the Bearcats are going to be
as good as everybody expects, because I think there's an
expectation like, these guys are going to be awesome.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Here's the problem. They can be good and they're still
going to be walking this tightrope. Yeah, there's nothing in
my brain that says in that eight game window of
that they're going to go four and four. Yeah, if
you told me they were going to go four and four,
I'd say they're going to have a really good year.
I'm coming up two and six, three and five, Like
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best case scenario. That means you gotta go six and ten,
seven and ten and all the other big twelve games.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Right, that's a tall task, even if you're having a
good year.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
So we've talked about this. It feels like last year,
accumulate talent, figure it out. This year, built a roster, right,
built guy who fits.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
You got guards, you've got wings, you've got different kinds
of forwards.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You've got centers. Yeah, who is their best player going
to be? I think if they're.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Going to be tournament good, I think their best player
needs to be Bobby Miller because he's got he can
do the most things. Can play defense, can rebound, can shoot,
can pass, can handle the ball pretty well like I
think he is. They will go as far as his
(19:40):
upside allows.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Need to make bucket, He'll get it for you.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I don't know that I'm that's more of a guard thing, yeah, typically,
but like need to need to get a big rebound,
need to maybe stop a run, you can go to him.
I don't know in the final two minutes if I'm
isolating going one to four flat and throwing a lot
Ofba Miller per se. But I think just because of
the number of things he has the potential to do well,
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he's the key.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
There was an NBA scout friend of mine that was
in practice and he said, look, Bob, I is gonna
gonna have thirteen and six at halftime, and everybody's gonna
be flipping out about how awesome he is. He's gonna
end with fifteen and seven. And this is a scout
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from a prominent NBA franchise that is near and dear
to Mo's heart.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Is the next guy potentially, so well, we're not going
to be in the lottery, but we'll take him.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
He loves Mustapha Chom though, okay, loves him him in
his in his I think like late first, early second round.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
So some of the UCF guys were here for the
football game and like still not they the other pissed
the man.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
They're pissed. He's he's good, He's very good. Who's your
best player going to be?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That's another really good question.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I think a lot of questions with no answers today.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
That's the problem when you think about this team and
why I have them losing a lot more games than
they're winning, because I there's a ton of questions and
I don't see clear answers to any of them. I think,
you know, Malik Messina more looks to be the best
offensive player and score to me. But I think overall,
Trey Carroll early on, at least through the first exhibition
and scrimmage and some of what we saw in the preseason,
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looks to be the best all around player. And I
think what he does well, which is play really hard
pursue the ball, get fouled, make some shots, play efficiently
on offense.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
You can rely on that.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
With more consistency, then maybe you can rely on some
of the other guys games.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
And the best part is him and Baba Miller shared
a position last year.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Will that that'd be the storyline we need for the
shootout to keep.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Its lust in.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, now the shootout's lost this year. This year, Doc
might be right here. This might be the year that
shoot out lose its luster. I can't wait to read
the column shout out the enquire But.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
What if he goes the other way?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
What it's back?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It's bad. This is the year slus season.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Williams write that column right now? The shootout is back
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Twenty six.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think there is a sense though that if you
see can't win there this year, they're never gonna They
never will.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Does that make it back if you see finally breaks
that Kerson wins there, or it is the luster dead
because that was the expected that you s supposed to win.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You know, I don't know. I have weeks to ponder that,
but I do think. I do think if you if
you ask Bearcat fans I mean they said that. We
said the same thing two years ago, right like, and
that was not a very good Xavier team and a
very good UC team. But I think there was a
sense of like, all right, if if they're ever gonna win,
it's in toss. It's got to be that game two
years ago they did not. I've I've listened to people
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who love Xavier basketball who have said, like, this is
gonna be the year where they lose for the first
time in a quarter century that you see at home
and then every Bearcat fan goes, yeah, cool, one of
those dudes is gonna go five for seven from three.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Another guy, well, m h two thousand and six, the
Andy Kennedy year No.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Two thousand well to December, December of two thousand, the
two thousand and six to seventh season they mixed ragtag.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yes, Sean Miller's first one where that that UC team,
which was dreadful, won two games in the Big East,
beat Xavior.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But that game was that U see right, But this
game is that Xavier, man, that's the parallel.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yes, you're right now, You're right, Rick, Thank you for that.
It was not really a question there.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
But thank you for that reference. Thank you for putting
it together for the I I've.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Lost for a second, but I feel like this is
most UC fans look at this in Xavier fans as
well as if it's if it's ever going to end
the streak of Xavier beating you see, it's sentas it's
it's going to be this year.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Yeah, I said, but I do feel like if they
don't win this one. I think I might have said
the same thing two years ago, but if they don't
win this one, they're never going to win at the
Sentas center feels.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Like is there you know you talk about like a
lot of the things that went down this offseason that
worked against Xavier.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Do you.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I think most of you the roster is underwhelming. Do
you put any of that on Richard?
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I mean, ultimately, I guess everyone's going to be like
the head coach is responsible for the roster. But I
more than anything, the situation that Xavier was in this
year is one you're replacing an entirely new roster because
you lost your previous head coach, which is something that
almost every school seems to go through. Now, when you
lose your head coach, you got to replace it entirely new.
Roster to do that in the same year where you
had And granted NIL has been changing almost every year
(24:36):
every other year as we go anyway, so I'm not
sure there is like a standard for ANIL. But the
way it was operating the last two three years, all
of a sudden flipped on its head this one off
season while you were trying to do that put them
in a doubly bad position.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So that's where I put most of the blame.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
I don't think it's anyone's fault per se, other than maybe,
you know, if you want to put it on xavi's
donors for not pouring out all of their financial earnings
over the course of my lifetimes, maybe it's on them.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
So go ahead, Did they bankroll it because you can technically.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I don't even know what you're asking right now.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
The revenue share, the revenue share.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
What I mean. So, so the way it's.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Gonna be good financial lesson the.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Way that the calendar WI I could use that July
first is the fiscal year start, so you can spend
less on this roster all the way around to April
and then April to July have more for the more
for the following year, because there's a three month window
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from the end of the season to the start of
the fiscal year that if you didn't spend everything that
you can spend on revenue share, you could hypothetically load
up for the next year you roll it over.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
I did not know the scientific term was bankroll for that,
so that is on me.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I will I think I just heard that up.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Also, I have not talked to it's financial people about
how they handle that exactly, so I'm not sure, but
I sense there's probably a little bit of like a.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Hey, we're in a really bad spot.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
We're not going to spend an extra two hundred grand
to get a slightly more average player. We're gonna take
what we can get here and look forward to the future.
But they also did it with you know, they have
five sophomores those Billy wise, and you can't plan for
the future in this current era of basketball, but you
can try to promote the future and be like, hey,
hopefully a couple of these guys are good and we
can keep them around.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I it just it feels weird. It feels weird. Look,
it's I think It's never been more difficult for a
first year head coach in any program. Obviously Rich Potino
has been a head coach. It just it feels weird
to talk about Xavier basketball in terms where we're wondering
if they're gonna lose twenty games before the season begins.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, I think that's this is fair to say.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
The one thing that I do think, you know, anytime
you get a new coaching staff, that's fun to see
what's the style going to look like? What different? So
are you going to see what type of players does
he like? And I think that is going to look
different from what Xavier fans have been and used to
over the last twenty plus years. Because one thing you
got to realize is, you know, Sean Miller took over
after Thamana and then basically everything since then has been
his design. You know, the coaches after him were from
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his tree and kept what he did in place, including
the bastardized pack line back line defense. He has been
given up one hundred and fifty threes a game for
the last few years. In the current system of college basketball.
I think that's going to be the most exciting part
for fans is Let's see what it looks like with
a disruptive defense that puts pressure in fall screen situations
and forces turnovers and takes the action to the offensive players.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That's going to be the most fun part of the season.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I think, Yeah, I think it's cool they went outside
the family. And nothing against Chris Shawn times too, Travis.
It isn't, you know, be good or be interesting. It's
interesting that they went outside the family. And uh, it
just the way that team is being talked about doesn't
mesh with what you have come over the years to
expect Xavier basketball to be all about. And then then
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you hear folks who cry poverty and they don't have
any money, and it's just this is a This feels
and sounds and looks different.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
I think it's going to be interesting when the season
actually gets going because Xavier fans are bracing themselves right
now for Okay, I think there's gonna be a rebuilding
or it's gonna be tough, But what's that actually look
like when you're four and for it to start the season.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Can they actually handle that part of it right?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Everybody says, you know, willing to put up with the
growing pains until they're deal actually dealing with them.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yes, and I think that's going to be tough.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Did you see non conference schedule? Check all the boxes
you want a non conference schedule to.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Check checked enough.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
It's not great, it's but it's enough. Dayton, Xavier, Georgia, Cliffson, Louisville.
You've got the one big, big name game in Louisville.
I guess a couple teams that are going to be
in a similar situation to you on the on the
kind of that bubble area. I think with Georgia and Clemson,
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Xavier's you know gonna probably be rough this year, but
in sentas, yeah, you never know. Yeah, and then Dayton's
probably going They're gonna stink, aren't they. I don't think
Dyton's gonna be very good.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I don't think. I think based on what I hear,
I think.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Just one guy in this gambling thing, like you're gonna
have him on for locks of the weekend?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I might, I might, I might do that. What is
what is best case? What is best case? I mean
best cases? They make the tournament with ease, You wake
up on selection Sunday and you know they're in, and
again at the end of the day, it's the bram
and thatn everybody's gonna use.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Best case they finish fifth, okay, sixth in the Big
twelve and comfortably in and like five seed somewhere five
six seeds somewhere in.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
The worst case involves you putting together a hotboard.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yeah, although I think it would have to be pretty
bad for that to happen.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But like not bubble and your team number sixty nine
or seven secs.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Think it's like if he misses that, he's automatically right,
you would have to apply context. Yes, all right, how's
it look?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Best case for the Musketeers. Best case everything goes.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Swimmingly well, yeah, and there is one thing to keep
an eye on. Two with that.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
In terms of Gabriel Pizzato, the Evansville transfer, who, by
all accounts in the summer looked like maybe the top
player on the roster. If he does come back a
little earlier than expected and he starts playing well and
things start to click, then maybe you know, Xavier's looking
more at like six or seventh in the Big East.
Like I said, I think the bottom of the Big
East is going to be really mediocre to bad this year,
So I think it's reasonable to think they could come
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in closer to like five hundred overall, maybe sixteen and fifteen,
fifteen and sixteen, something like that, and you go, you
win seven or eight games in the Big East.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I think that would be like five hundred.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's like the gay to cross five hundred and you
feel really good.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I think that's kind of the best case scenario for
them this.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Year, and k you can win the Horizon League.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I think that's in play.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
I mean that's without knowing they're not going to be,
you know, picked in the top three.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
But I think they're definitely in contention for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And Kentucky fans are really exciting and Mark Pope's team
is going to be really.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Good, right anything. I keep hearing this twenty two number
tossed around. Somebody mentioned to me last week they might
be closer to a forty million dollars roster than a
twenty million dollars roster. I think people are under I
watched the Purdue game, Man.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Do you understand what that means for like every player
on that roster, like Trent Noah's getting three million dollars.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I find that hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
But see that's part of it that I think a
lot of us can't wrap our brains getting six asked.
I get asked this all the time. What does so
and so make? You could tell me it's forty five
K a year. You could tell me it's four point
five million a year. I do, I have no idea?
Should we know more than we make?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Should we know? I mean, would I all I had
a lot, I hold yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I hold onto the belief that it would be more
fun if we had no idea what athletes made, it
would just we.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Would It would be more fun.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Now how we talk about roster construction would change and
I get all that. Do you want to know what
college basketball player is getting paid?
Speaker 6 (31:53):
I think the ambiguity is going to create more problems because,
like we already saw with the kid at BYU, the
top freend in the country this year, A J. Dabantsa,
everyone's reporting he got eight million dollars to go there,
seven million dollars to go there. Truth is, it sounds
like it was more like three and a half four
million to go there, right, So, I mean, these numbers
are all over the place, and either way, whatever the
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rumors are, fans are going to run with whatever the
highest dollar amount is. Use that for pressure, use that
for why the guy is a bust, all those types
of things. I think at some point it's almost going
to be better to have the real information out there.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
When are they going to expand the tournament? How much
am I gonna hate it?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's gonna be next year. It's gonna stink. It's gonna stink. Yeah,
nobody wants it. I don't want it, but I'm gonna
watch more basketball.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah sure, I'm gonna watch, but I don't watch it.
I have ten people for you and Skinny to rank
their careers tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Come up with this.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
How many of them do you think I would know?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Uh? You know what? Probably not well.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
One you'll know, okay, because one's a former colleague of viewers,
So shout out to Gary Miller. It's not Gary Miller,
but Hawkins. Artrell Hawkins is not on here. But there's
the list, and thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Just get taken to Skinny ten am tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
We'll be recorded in advance. Thank you for joining me
every week, both of you during the season. We'll talk
football tomorrow tomorrow you and I chat and Rick wolchat
next Wednesday, and thank you so much as always, thank you.
Thanks bo all right, love it lifting, It really was.
Can't wait for the season to begin.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Doo hoops.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Well there's always the Reds. I might the Bengals game
Plan show is next. We always have Dan Horden Dave
Lapham to make us feel better. They are next. We
are back tomorrow at three oh five. Thanks to Tarren
Bland for producing. Thanks to you for listening, and have
a great night. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.
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