11/3/25 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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We are at Twin Peaks in Westchester. It's the Tony
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That's gonna be a good one as well. College basketball
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You know, the Reds didn't play, but key Brian Hayes
won the Gold Glove most of the season with the
Pittsburgh Pirates. Yes, but Game seven of the World Series
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so on baseballs. The evening went on. But it is
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football game tonight. You can watch a Twin Peaks as
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Dallas defense that would look like the two thousand Baltimore
Ravens compared to what the Bengals put on the field. Yep,

(02:18):
we've got the college football. We've got to get to
a little bit later on. We're gonna air Zach Taylor later.
I'm not starting the show as Zach Taylor.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I think that's the best move because I know people
have already been lining the door because they want to
hear Zach early. But I think it's best to get
our thoughts out and then visit to what visit with
what Zach has to say.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
We have a contractual obligation to air the Zach Taylor
press conference in its entirety. I don't think the contract
says we have to air it live. So I'm gonna
end the show with that, So stick around for Zach
Taylor right around five thirty five. The only word I
can use Tony is embarrassment. The only word that I
think can apply to what the Bengals did yesterday. It's

(03:02):
an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment to those players on defense,
It's an embarrassment to the coaching staff. It's an embarrassment
to the entire organization.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, I think the time for anger has passed. Like
I was angry when it happened yesterday, but right after
that you are, You're embarrassed as to what is happening
right now with this team. And it's embarrassing because we
sat in Florence last week and I sat up on
the tay and I said, listen, I think that's the
worst loss of the Zach Taylor era. Like I thought

(03:33):
the Jets game, everything that went into the game, the
way fields had been criticized, top two receivers out, Sauce
Gardner wasn't playing. I thought it was the worst loss
of the Zach Taylor era. And then yesterday I thought
to myself, how sad is it that I got to
enjoy the worst loss of the Zach Taylor era for
only one week and now there's a new leader in

(03:54):
the clubhouse. It is, I think, the most demoralizing thing
to it. And I go to the demoralizing because what
happened is no longer surprising, like, think of everything that
went into yesterday. You return a kickoff for a touchdown,
you block a field goal, you recover an on side
kick after scoring and getting the two point conversion.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
You get lucky on a pick six, that's not a
pick six.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yes, you go down the field and score. And yet
even after the Bengals scored, I looked at my brother
and I said, they left too much time on the clock.
And last time I checked, it wasn't Tom Brady getting
ready to run on the field. It wasn't mahomes Lamar
Jackson or any of the greats that have ever played
the game. It was Caleb Williams. And at that point

(04:41):
I did not trust that the Bengals were going to
win the game because of how much time was left. Now,
I thought my point spread was in good shape.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
But it's demoralizing. No. All I kept thinking was when
Chicago scores, how many points will it be and how
much time will be left? Ye, because you know, Zach
Taylor's on the sideline in a moment of ecstasy, big
old smile on his face, and I'm going, Zach, you
better get your offense together because you're gonna give up points.
Maybe it's just a field goal, you're gonna give up points.

(05:12):
Is there gonna be time for an offensive answer? That's
how bad things have gotten. Yep. That's how bad things
have gotten when you are now and it's cliche to say, like, well,
it's the Bengals, you expect the worst. I don't necessarily
feel that way. I feel that way about this particular
team's defense. You do not trust them to get a stop.
And to me, that's the key word, because I think

(05:32):
a lot of us walked away from yesterday with the
same takeaway. That's the kind of game where head should
roll right, that's the kind of game. Those are the
kind of games that cost people their jobs. I'm not
looking for firings or dismissals because of punishment. I think
that's how a lot of people frame it. I don't

(05:53):
want punishment. I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in
the lack of trust. I do not trust anybody in
a decision making capacity with this franchise. That's Duke Tobin,
that's Zach Taylor, that's Al Golden, it's a lot of
the people above Duke Tobin. This has to get fixed.
It's not going to get fixed in time to salvage
this season. They're three and six. The personnel is what

(06:15):
it is. The next five games are really tough. I
want this fixed. While Joe Burrow is still here. I
want this fixed while they have the most important component
in sports taken care of. I don't trust anybody, anybody
front office, on the sideline, or on the field, to
get this fixed.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
How far away does the Super Bowl appearance and what
coincided with that of the Joe Burrow tenure? Will always
have a super Bowl window that feels decades ago. This
team feels further away from a super Bowl than I
can imagine them ever been. That's how bad it is.

(06:54):
I watch a guy we've talked off. Joe Flacco over
the course of his careers, made one hundred and eighty
million dollars in the NFL. He's also had deals with Rebok,
Pizza Hut, with Nike at times. He's made over two
hundred million dollars. He could easily walk away. He's won
a Super Bowl, Yeah, won a Super Bowl MVP. He
could walk away and be done. Forty one years old.

(07:16):
The guy could not lift his arm after last week's game,
fights through it this week again. How easy would it
be for him in a city and a team that
he just met, to be like, I'm not doing this
to my body.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Instead, he puts his body on the line. He sacrifices
everything that he has those for four hundred and seventy yards,
leads an improbable comeback, marches down the field twice, all
for what back to back weeks of this. I can't
imagine what's going on in his mind right now.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I feel genuinely bad for him.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
You mentioned if they win the last two, he is
the number one story in the National Football.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
League, the biggest story in sports. Correct forty years old,
traded five days days later, is playing yesterday, can't lift
his army, is enjoying a third career resurgence that nobody
saw coming. It's the best story in sports if they win.
If they win yesterday forty two to forty one, we're

(08:16):
probably still talking about the defense, but it's not the headline.
The headline is can you believe what Joe Flacco is doing.
There's a part of me that thinks that Joe Burrow
must look at him and go, dude, Now, you know
how I felt last year because that's the recurring theme,
right it's wasting high end quarterback play. They wasted an
MVP caliber season from Joe Burrow. They've wasted this resurgence

(08:37):
from Joe Flacco that no one saw coming. They continue
to waste, and so again the question for me is
how many more individual efforts are you going to waste?
How many more supposedly championship window seasons are you going
to waste? I do not trust anybody this. I'm tired
of the blame game. Let's spind the wheel of blame

(08:57):
or let's hand out blame pie and who gets that's
the biggest lies. I don't trust anybody. I do not
trust anybody in a decision making capacity to fix this.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
With that being said, and again, I'll circle back to
the word demoralizing again. The demoralizing pieces is how the
roster has assembled. I mentioned with Austin in quick hits.
FC Cincinnati got boat raced last night. C Cincinnati gets
to turn around and play to advance in the MLS playoffs.

(09:27):
You see got beat but a comedy of airs. They
turned the ball over, They were terrible on special teams,
situational awareness, that's not been who they've been all year.
But after a bye, U see gets to play for
a Big twelve.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Title by controlling their own destiny.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Sure demoralizing factor with the Cincinnati Bengals, when or how
is it going to get any better? They used three
top selections on the defensive side of the ball, Demetrius Knight,
Barrett Carter, Shamar Stewart yesterday, all graded at a twenty
eight or below.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
According to Pro Football Focus.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
So your idea, your path to attack. What was the
talking point after last year was you better not waste
another Joe Burrow year and you better not waste another
Jamar Chase elite year. The talking point is not only
have they somehow been worse, there is no help on
the horizon on the defensive side of the ball. Trey Hendrickson, Siya,
Logan Wilson, Seya, your three rookies are combining to do.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Zero for you.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
That is so demoralizing that we are no longer talking
about the worst defense in the NFL. We are actually
entering the conversation as to the defense that's on the
field right now for the Bengals, potentially being the worst
defense that has ever been fielded in the history of
the National Football League, the history of the NFL. However,
story do you want to talk about? They are running

(10:51):
on pace to finish as the worst defense the NFL.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Has ever seen. And that was your answer to the
year Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase had last year. The thing, right,
we talk about boy, it's obvious you got to move
on from Duke Tobin, or it's obvious you've got to
move on from Zach Taylor. Well it was obvious to
anybody who was watching the Bengals needed a defensive overhaul
and it didn't come. And you talk about those rookies,
some will say, wait a minute, those guys are rookies.

(11:16):
Talking point talking point after the first waive or two
a free agency was well, no, no, no, no, they're
gonna use the draft to make the defense better and
they're gonna get guys who can make an impact instantly.
Well that didn't happen either. Nothing they have tried has worked.
When you have given people multiple tries to try something,
to try different things and they don't work, at some

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point you go get new people. To me, the frustrating thing, though,
is as obvious as it might appear to you and I,
or as obvious as it might appear as listening this
morning to Adam Shine right, who does a national radio show.
I was listening before that to the people on on
sportsmen like and they're just like Yeah, clear house, clean house,
move on heads, got a roll like it. It's obvious.

(11:59):
But what's obvious to the rest of us is usually
not obvious to the Cincinnati Bengals. It was obvious to
all of us at the end of last year, Tony,
you and I sat at the Florence location of Twin
Peaks the day after the season ended, and we talked
about a defensive overhaul and how the fact that you're
paying a handful of offensive players should not keep them
from executing a defensive overhaul. Why did we say that,

(12:21):
because it was obvious that you could not move forward
with all of the same pieces. And it was pretty obvious.
You know what, This team's draft track record recently is
kind of spotty. You've got to lean into free agency.
You've got to try some things. They brought no one
into play safety. They they brought no one into play
corner aside from Orang Burks who's a special teams ace
and TJ. Slayton, who never makes a play. They did

(12:42):
nothing in free agency. And so right now, yes, it's
obvious they need a reset. What was obvious last year
to everybody else, and they didn't hit the reset button.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yeah, we've already done the exercises, talk about the draft,
and everyone's well, give them time, give them time. Tate
Rattlege is a starting guard for one of the best
offenses in foot ball at the Detroit Lions. He's grading
out right around I believe a seventy according to Pro
Football Focus. That would be higher than any grades on
the current offensive line for the Bengals, and yet they
passed him up in the second round.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
MO. We probably spent so much time talking about.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Jihad Campbell leading up to the draft, sickening amount of time,
and they addressed linebacker, but they went Demetrius Knight and
Barrett Carter when g Hodd Campbell was on the board,
Gid Campbell an, he guesses Pro Football Focus eighty three
point one. That is not that's not just the highest

(13:36):
graded rookie defender. That's one of the highest graded defenders
in football, rookie veteran, whoever that may be. And yet
your talent evaluation said, well, we need linebackers, but our
evaluation says that Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight are going
to pan out way more so, way more so than

(13:56):
Jihad Campbell.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Well, that's an indictment in itself. You know you hear rookies.
You got to give him time. Did you watch seventh
round draft choice, A pick by the way that used
to belong to the Bengals Kyle man Angai Insult to injury?
I mean the Chicago Bears. Were they comfortable turning to
a rookie and getting results when DeAndre Swift we found
out he was out insult to injury?

Speaker 4 (14:17):
That last year when the Bengals traded for Khalil Herbert,
and we all talked ourselves into oh, Khalil Herbert.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I didn't talk myself Khalil Herbert.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
The Bears took that pick and drafted that guy yesterday.
That's incredible to say, thank you, Cincinnati, We'll take that
seventh round pick. We'll use it on this guy that's
gonna start and absolutely torture defense all day.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
It was unbelievable. I mean, I thought they had Walter Payton.
I set it on social media like he's a bad matchup, terrible.
Part of that was an indictment against the Bengals. Part
of it was like, wait a minute, that dude's gonna
be a problem. Seventh round pick from Rutgers. Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Meanwhile, We've got third round pick from last year that
either don't dress or won off the team. The picks
from this year seem like a disaster.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Remember Dimitrius Night, he's old, so he's ready to play.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Marius Mims didn't have a great day yesterday. No, that
twenty twenty four draft is looking scary. Orlando, we don't
have time in today's show, Adam Now.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Adam Marchaltta did everything he could to not mock Orlando
Brown on TV.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yes, we don't have the time in the show today
to talk about Orlando Brown other than the fact that
on the ball Joe Flacco fumbled. I've never seen an
offensive lineman suffer bigger whiplash than when his head hit
the turf. He was thrown thrown onto the ground. That's
your left tackle. Like we we could do a three

(15:43):
hour show today and we could carry it over to
the bye week condition next week of just missed signings
and draft picks that this organization has been tied to.
And it's fine when you've got a quarterback and receiver
on rookie deals because you got more money to play
with you spend. You can go get a team leader
like DJ Reader. You can tell everyone how it just

(16:04):
doesn't make financial sense. We can't pay Jesse Bates. Haven't
replaced him yet team leader. But now this team is
void of team leaders. Well, you moved on from all
your team leaders and you tried to supplant them with
the current roster. No one on this defense as a leader,
And I got news for you with how the inner
workings of football go. If Geno Stone stood up in

(16:24):
a meeting and started lecturing guys about leadership and playing,
the guys would laugh at him because they would say,
turn on the tape and.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Watch yourself play.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
They don't have anyone on this team that I think
any of the other defenders respect, because everyone could just
point the finger who's playing at a good enough level
that you're gonna be like, all right, tell me what
you think, tell me about my play when I'm watching
you play.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
But that's the thing. From our perspective, there's no nuance
to talking about them defensively. Like I could ask you
to put your defensive coordinator hat on and scheme up
with a way to make this better. You can't. We
could talk about you know what you could You could
build your defense around this pass rush, or you could
build your defense around these linebackers, and you could build

(17:08):
your defense around the fact that well, fundamentally they're in
the right spot, so they're good at tackling or the
great there's nothing, there's no nuance.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
To it, nothing you can hang your hat on to
go forward.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
It's a group of atrocious NFL players collectively who are
not being coached in a way that has done anything
to put them in a competitive spot. We are way
late for a break twenty two after a fir say well,
we're not going to do that, okay, because we trump that.
Bob Trumpy, the late great Bob Trumpy, would have had

(17:37):
a lot to say about yesterday's that it was number
eighty four, Bob's number. Yeah, scored the game winning touchdown
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Speaker 3 (18:34):
This report twenty seven after three o'clock. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty. It's the Tony and Mo Football Show. We
are broadcasting today from Twin Peaks in Westchester. Zach Taylor
talked at extraordinary length extraordinary length today, and we're going
to end the show with that. We have an obligation

(18:54):
contractually to carry all of his press conferences. For a
number of reasons, I decided I wasn't going to carry
it at the top of the show live, so we're
going to carry it for you in its entirety to
end this show. But I'll read for you a couple
of highlights, please, Zach Taylor says. And I'm reading this
from Jay Morrison of Bengals Talk dot Com. Zach says,

(19:15):
no consideration of SKO of coaching staff changes, saying quote,
these are good football coaches. I'm confident will make the
changes and find solutions.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Ben Baby elaborates. Ow Zach Taylor says about Golden, quote
I trust in him. No staff changes.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
So at the at the at the core of that quote,
this defense has put historically embarrassing performances on the field
for back to back weeks. And the answer is status quo.
The answer is for you. You mentioned it, fireable offenses
back to back weeks. One alone is a fireable offense

(19:53):
back to back weeks of that, and the in the
the comment going into the bye week is not We're
going to take time and evaluate everybody. Everyone has to
be better. It's they're good coaches, will figure it out.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I'm probably dramatically overly simplifying this, and it's not either
or necessarily, but let's make it either or for a second,
it's either the coaching of the players. Yep. If you
believe in Al Golden, then you don't believe in the players,
and that's an indictment against the person who put this
roster together. Well.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Jordan Battle said that the final play was a great
call from Al Golden, but they were just misaligned who's
fault is misalignment defensive coordinator? Like, are we like someone
called in today? Does Al Golden work during the week
from home?

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Like? Does he he hold meetings? Does he work on
Sundays for it? Like?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Does he do like zoom calls with players and then
they do walk throughs and like how do you how
are you misaligned in a prevent defense? So that's the basic.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Core of what you do sometimes and we would talk
about this with Lou and Arumo. Sometimes the other team
just makes a play, right and it's one on one.
We see it with Jamar Chason t Higgins all the time.
They just they make a play. It's football, right, the
other team's gonna win one on one battles. This doesn't
feel like that to me. This feels like guys either

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not being in the right place, guys not being given
the right information about the other team effort technique with
the mistackles, like none of this feels just like the
Chicago Bears yesterday offensively had four different people throw a pass.
It felt like Ben Johnson was it was teasing him,

(21:34):
was teasing playing with Al Golden. I mean it felt
like a school yard bully just pushing a little kid around,
but the krag Johnson. It felt like that was the
ultimate mismatch.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yet every every every coaching game is a mismatch.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Right every no, no, no, no, no, no bad matchup match, bad
match up, bad matchup.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
This week on the by that buys a tough opponent,
it takes a mental toll on everybody.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
How many points will the buy score this week? That's
what people are wondering.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, tell me the last game that the Bengals went
into the you confidently thought we have the coaching advantage.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
This year. Go back this year, go back previous years.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Has there been a game where you've won in and
said a roster might not line up, but we have
the advantage in coaching. No, it's always We've got Burrow,
We've got the best player on the field. But the
issue is now that's being exposed to the d. Like
you mentioned, I'm not in defensive meetings. I've watched enough
of Ben Johnson since he was the coordinator at Detroit

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to know that he is a guy that will run
trick plays. Therefore, the first meeting of the week, as
a defense you should be talking about, Hey, let's put
it on our radar this week we're gonna talk about
it more. But this is a team and a coach
that will run trick plays. And what happens the first
fourth down inside the ten yard line? They run the

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Philly Special and it looks like no one from the
Bengals has ever watched, seen, or heard about the idea
of a trick play.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Or they ran the double pass twice with the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
The backup quarterback in the game, Tyson Badgett came into
the game and you would have thought, like, what's going
on here? They have two quarterbacks on the field. How
can you do that? Well, maybe it's to have one
quarterback throw to the other. And it looked like they'd
never seen anything like that or prepared for anything like that.
It's like defensive coordinators or offensive coordinators come in and

(23:27):
they talk.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
To each other like, oh you did that. Watch what
I do this? Wak watch this.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
I'm gonna take a practice squad and a seventh round
draft pick. Watch what I do on the ground? Watch
what I scheme up. Caleb Williams, You ever see him
reverse out of the pocket before I'm gonna ask him
to do it twelve times. I'm gonna have him spin
out of the pocket twelve times, and in those twelve times,
no one will.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Make an adjustment. The Philly Special.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Oh and I'm gonna do it. I'm not even gonna
have our best playmaker catch one pass, and I'm gonna
do with that my top running back watch this. I'm
gonna do it. What the Jets did, we got. We
gotta top that somehow. Cole Comet coming out of the game, Yeah, hey, Rome,
you're you're kind of out of this one.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Deandre's gonna sit. We've got a statement of our owner.
The Philly Special. I mean, it happened early in the game,
and I thought, like Ben Johnson is just going to
toy with Al Golden all day long. He's gonna run
an offensive play with ten guys on the field Like
that to me, Like, all right, Al, they didn't exactly
give you a lot to work with, but you got

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to be able to achieve something. This is, as you outlined, statistically,
on pace to be the worst offense in the history
of the NFL. I'm sorry, worst defense in the history
of the National Football League. Yep, that is unconscionable. It's unconscionable.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
It's one thing to be like, hey, They're the worst
defense in the NFL this year, the history of the league.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
It's insane. You know what. Defensively they're not great, They're
gonna have to outscore people. Worst in the history of
the sport.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
But like we talked about last week and we talked
about Aurady today, it's one thing to be bad, but
if you look to the future, how is it any better?

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Here's my question? And who do they have to rally around? Nobody?
Here's what I want to know. The last time the
Bengals changed defensive coordinators during a season, they blew out
Tarrell Austin. Marvin Lewis took over defensive play calling duties.
I wonder if Zach Taylor's discipline was defense, would they

(25:25):
have made a change? Like, is there a reluctance to
make a change because we don't want to ask one
of these position coaches to do it? And I'm a
head coach and I've never coached defense. It might be
I get it, but it might It might be a
really stupid question, but I but I wonder if if
if Zach Taylor's offense was as bad as Al Golden's

(25:46):
defense is, would he have gotten rid of the offensive
coordinator because he's an offensive coach. That Tony might be
a stupid question. I fair on that, h Jerry Montgomery.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
This is the worst D line in football right his
track record, New England one of the worst defensive lines
in football last year. What is New England doing now?

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Oh? Oh dude.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
So if at very worst you say, okay, I was
gonna keep calling this, sorry, Jerry, Like someone has to
take the fall here. This D line is embarrassingly bad.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
I We'll just keep it as this. We'll keep like.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
The whole idea of status quo is so frustrating for me.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
It's just what I said this to my wife yesterday
because she's like, they gotta like clean house, right, And
I said, here's the problem here on Sunday afternoon. The
idea of us waking up tomorrow and finding out they
made a change is shocking. It would be shocking today

(26:49):
if they fired Al Golden. Yep. It would be beyond
shocking if they let go of Duke Tobin. That's an
indictment against this franchise where the status quo is what
you expect no matter how bad things Yep, all right,
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Speaker 4 (28:46):
By the way, you know why the Blue Jays lost.
Didn't pay enough money. No, no, they'd bunted. They bunted.
They bunted with no outs and a guy in second base,
a very good hitter at the play, who earlier in
the game hit a three run home run.

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Cincinnati will host the series finale after losing four ZIP
in Columbus last night. Did we get the answer to
the question you asked me during the break? I don't
believe they had any left, but what I was interested in,
so Cincinnati, you you were asking about timeouts?

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Jordan Battle yesterday or today? He didn't talk to the
media yesterday, but today he said that Al Golden called
the right play on the touchdown to end the game,
but they were quote misaligned.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
But then it's not the right play. So how.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
How can you be misaligned on the biggest play of
the game and then say that the right play was called?
Is that like this team the defense just isn't smart
enough to line up properly. Like this isn't Week two right, right?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Like Jordan Battle's been in the league for a few years.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Nine games into the season and on the biggest play
of the game that you need to make a play on,
you are misaligned.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
So here's my question. Geno's Stone is not good in coverage.
He's not good at tackling. If you want to make
the argument that Geno Stone should play, it lies with
the fact that he's in his sixth NFL season and
at the very least he can line up and make
sure everybody else is lined up in the right place.
He's been in good defenses. If Geno Stone can't do that,

(31:06):
why is he on the team? I mean, by everybody's admission,
he didn't come here because he has great coverage skills, right,
he had that one interception of Joe Burrow, which he's
gotten paid a lot of money for. He's not good
at tackling. So if there's one reason why you would
have Geno Stone in the game, it's to at least
make sure everyone's in the right spot, everyone's lined up.

(31:26):
So how's so? Then, then why is Geno Stone on
the team? Makes sense?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
I don't even know what to take seriously from what
you hear of this team. It is like when we
I use the term comedy of airs. It really is,
because when when things get so bad that things as
devastating us yesterday no longer surprise you. That's a bad
sign for a team. Like if that if that game

(31:51):
yesterday happened in Kansas City Buffalo, the sports world would
be shocked, like, how did how did Buffalo let that
go right? How did Kansas City right? They would be shocked.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Why?

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Because those teams play good football, They're fundamentally sound, they're
well coached, they have coaching advantages. So if at the
end of the game yesterday happened to one of those teams,
we would be blown away.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Today.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Instead it happens to Cincinnati, and what's the comment, Well,
there they go again, just kind of who the Bengals are.
That's how you're known now.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
I feel bad for Charlie Jones. Yeah, because Charlie Jones
brings the opening kickback ninety eight yards and that should
be something we talk about today. It should be the
sort of play that you go back and look at,
there was a spark. Instead, Chicago scores the first time
they touched the football. I feel bad. I feel bad
for Andre Yoshavas. Yeah, answered the bell. Andre Yoshavas and

(32:47):
you know he's taken criticism and he has deserved the criticism.
And you know he caught a touchdown pass where he
stepped out of bounds and then makes up for it
by catching what should have been a season saving touchdown.
Instead it becomes a footnote. And I feel bad for
T Higgins who made a handful of the nicest catches
you will ever see, high degree at difficulty, lot riding

(33:09):
all three. Dude plays his hard out. It's a footnote.
Like I genuinely feel for some of these dudes who
are doing everything they can to win, like Joe Flacco
or T Higgins feel or dudes who are doing the
best to to really earn a spot on this team

(33:31):
or in this league, or doing their best to atone
for previous mistakes. Like there are guys on offense and
special teams yesterday who are doing their part and it's wasted.
And to me, the single biggest word that comes to
mind when I think of last year in this year
is waste. The number of individual performances or careers, if

(33:54):
you want to put it that way, that the Bengals
as an organization are wasting.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Bad for Chase Brown, I do. Yeah, fourteen targets yesterday,
And one of the things we talked about you and
I together last week and even yesterday. As much as
we love Jamar Chase targets, Joe Flacco has got to
do a better job of spreading them out. Chase Brown
had fourteen Jamar Chase went over one hundred. See Higgins
went over one hundred. But how about meaningful plays of
the game. Tanner Hudson has a huge play, Mitchell Tinsley

(34:21):
had a huge playoff, Nissey Bosh has a huge, huge play,
Chase Brown putting his body on the line in the
receiving game. Like all of that, much like the whole
season last year for not because you wasted all based
on how bad your defense is and a series that

(34:43):
we brushed over off air, the whole idea around what
happened with the McPherson field goal attempt. Yes, Like, so
you have the grounding penalty that moves you back. Originally
it looks like they're going to go for it fourth
and three, and then it's a to get McPherson on
the field. The grounding made it forty fourth and thirteen thirteen. Yeah,

(35:04):
But then again with the way the offense is operating, Okay,
try it, but then you get into the point where
like they flashed a Flacco and then the next time
you see anything on camera at McPherson, Yeah, and he
hits a fifty four yarder and it comes up five
yards short.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, he may have missed that kick rushed, but I
don't know what it was. Rapeat tweeted about it in
real time where there's the grounding call, which I want
to talk about specifically. So it bumps them back thirteen yards,
the game clock is stopped, it looks like they're going
for it. Then they change their mind, and then very hurriedly,

(35:43):
the field goal unit charges out out of the field
and it feels like the entire operation was rushed. Now,
it's a fifty four yard kick, even in this era.
It's not a gimme sure, but it was short and
you couldn't help. But wonder had that been a little
bit more organized, like them deciding okay, grounding, we lose
the down, fourth and thirteen, let's kick. You wonder if
that kick is successful. It didn't look well put together.

(36:04):
It didn't look well organized for a team coached by
a dude in his seventh NFL season.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, and that's the thing, and credit where credits do.
The offense has played much better. Zach Taylor deserves credit
for that, Sure, Joe Flacco deserves a lot of credit.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
For that too.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
But the thing I keep going back to is lack
of hustle, lack of physicality, the mental airs, misalignments, the
physical airs that play with Evan McPherson, all of that
is an indictment on him, the head coach. And it's
also an indictment when you come out today and say

(36:40):
we're good, Our coaches are good. They're working hard. We
got to figure out some stuff. But no one's going
to lose their job over this.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
You mentioned lack of hustle. Am I being a jerk?
If I wonder on the interception that we thought was
going to be a pick six where Chase Brown main
contact with Terrell Edmonds, Joe Flacco looked like the only
guy who ran back.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
He did, the only guy that wanted to try to
make a tackle. And I get like, I get the
Jamar Chase thing because he knew he was interfered with,
and he probably got up and saw the flag right away. Sure,
but everyone else, what are we doing Am I being
a jerk from God thought? I'm in my mind, I'm like, oh,
he's gonna walk in the end zone and I see
Flacco the only one down there.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I'm like, don't do anything. Just it was and maybe
maybe the other guy saw the flag, and so I
I want to give them the benefit of it out.
But I've watched that play a thousand times. They showed
it a bunch of times because obviously there was a
replay review, and I'm going, like, nobody, nobody else wanted
to go to length of the field. I just maybe

(37:41):
maybe I should give everybody the benefit of it out
that they saw the flag.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
I just I keep going back to everything they did
well yesterday, then a lot again. Like you mentioned that
in today's football, you don't see kickoffs return for touchdowns.
You never seemingly see an onside kick recovered. They blocked
the kick.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
The sidekick was recovered. It was fluky, Yes, their guy tight,
but they do get it. Yet it goes their way.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Yes, Like there's just there were so many of those
things that you're like, man, it just feels like things
are gonna break for the Bengals. Finally, and even after
the touchdown, p Ryan had a great return, they had
good field position most of the day. Flaco's playing at
an elite level, and yet you still lose a football game.
I think one of the things you pointed out earlier

(38:27):
that sticks with me from being in a locker room.
If Jamar Chase and Chase Brown are willing to say
what they did to the media, how bad is it
when those doors are shut right? How bad is the
tension in the locker room right now? That to me
is a scary, scary thought for a coach who we

(38:49):
have raved about what the whole time, and he's not
the greatest play caller, but the culture.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well that's the thing, Like it's there even when things
have gone poorly with Zach, You've never gotten the sense
things are gonna fracture. Number One, it certainly feels like
just what is coming out of the mouths of offensive
players like that is a distinct possibility. Number Two, people
want to leave human nature like You're right, I mean,
players are asking out like human nature in any organization,

(39:15):
these people are getting the job done. These people are not.
And these people who are getting the job done are
having to suffer for it. Invariably, there's gonna be conflict.
There are human beings, doesn't mean they're bad guys. Doesn't
mean they're bad teammates. If I was Chase Brown, if
I was Jamar Chase, if I was T Higgins, if
I was Joe Flacco, if I was any number of
those guys, hell yeah, I'd be outright pissed.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
And you already hear it from Jamar right, He's like,
I ain't going to say anything else because I don't
want I'm talking about how I play.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
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Speaker 3 (41:21):
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which that's not necessarily going to be a lot of
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this week and next before moving back to Florence next week.
I think is our favorite show of the year, the
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Speaker 4 (41:38):
Yes, and this year unfortunately, it feels like there's going
to be like nine by weeks down the stretch. But yes,
let's celebrate a bye week next week.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
We'll do that. Twin Peaks is a great place to celebrate.
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(42:11):
great bourbon selection here at Twin Peaks. Quickly, speaking of bourbon,
Oh my gosh, we oh a big shout out yeah,
and a lot of gratitude to a listener of this
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(42:33):
bag and presented us each without any fanfare.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Nothing like, didn't want anything in return.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
While we were on the air with some Van Winkle
twelve year reserve, it's incredible, some nicest bottle of bourbon
I've ever had. I looked on the internet to see
what that retails for. Yeah, what I where? I'm where?
I'm torn.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
I've already had most milestone things happen in.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
My life already.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Yeah, I've been married, I've had three children. Last weekend,
I got to go in the Hall of Fame, right Like,
what else in my life is going to happen where
I can rip open a bottle of twelve years.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
You just got hired at three.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
I did just get a job back, So that might
be something to celebrate. It's gonna see some of my
faces I missed a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Oh Maso was here. Yeah, anyway, thanks to us, Steven Charlotte.
Thanks to Steve. I want to roll through a couple
of plays from yesterday's game, one of which we already
talked about, which was the fifty four yard field goal
where it's intentional grounding. They lose the down, they lose
ten yards, They very hurriedly put the special teams unit
on the field, Joe Flacco was terrific yesterday. He should

(43:39):
be the best story right now in the NFL. But unfortunately,
because of the Bengals ineptitude on defense, he has to
be perfect. Yeah, and while he was good, he wasn't perfect.
That intentional grounding play Chicago had the first option read
very well, a guy in his eighteen season can't commit
intentional ground Now.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
There, that's a tough one, but it's also the play
design itself. You were asking your receivers to be blockers.
T Higgins just has had a monster game, Yoshi vash
has had a monster game, and on the biggest snap
of the game, they don't even run around. They're used
as blockers. And so what I think is that to

(44:18):
me if you watch Chase on the backside as well,
the only what you're calling that is to throw it
behind a line of scrimmage to block the blocks.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Didn't work.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Again, you asked your best assets to be blockers on
the most important play the game, and I get one
to get the ball in Chase Brown's hands. But when
that's not available, there's really not a ton of options
for Flaco. And I think, yes, veteran but also shoulders
in a bad way. You've been hit already, a bunch
pressures wearing down on you. I think he was trying

(44:49):
to get it knowing that Chase was blocking originally to
get it there, but Chase adjusted when he saw Flacco
kind of look back and then goes deep.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
And I think that's what caused that issue.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
But I didn't love much as I liked what the
offense did, I didn't love the play call. To take
your best assets out of the equation on a big
down and distance, how about on the pick just a
tough trying to make something happen falling off your back leg.
At that point, you probably feel pretty desperate throw you
can't make. You're not counting on the defender to go

(45:22):
through your wide receiver to make a play without having
to interfere with him.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Do you think interference should have been called there if
you like, because there was We said before, the other
players didn't run down, maybe because they were looking. There
was no flag thrown, so that they would have been
looking for one.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
By the letter of the rule, if you freeze the
play while the ball's in the air, it's pass interference.
The defenders their way early. It becomes such a bang
bang play that it's hard to call. You could have
called it either way, but it's a guy trying to
make too much happen.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
There was a Chicago Bears touchdown that was awarded after
Zach Taylor went to review a play where DJ Moore
took a ball sixteen yards, tried to extend it over
the goal line, then lost control. Zach Taylor wanted it reviewed,
and it was reviewed to see if it was fumbled,
and though it wasn't originally ruled a touchdown, then the
Bears were given a touchdown upon further review. I didn't

(46:13):
have a problem with that. It's late in the game.
Worst case, he's just going to hasten the inevitable, which
is they're going to score.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Anyone to say if that balls put out the one,
the only thing that's gonna happen, they're going to score
on the next play. I thought you'd take the gamble
and hope that maybe he did lose the ball early
and it's a touch back and you get possession.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Then we're less than twenty four hours away from the
NFL's trade deadline. Oh. It has been reported Diana Russini
of the Athletic reports that the Bengals are asking for
a first round pick in exchange for Trey Hendrickson, who,
by the way, talked today and what was the quote?
Be where your feet are, be where your feet are?
He says he's not sure if he's going to play

(46:49):
the Bengals next game. He's still called day to day.
Bengals obviously don't play for thirteen days. Can the Bengals
get a first round draft choice for Trey Hendrickson?

Speaker 8 (46:57):
No?

Speaker 3 (46:59):
What I would like to know.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
I want to ask an agent, like if if you're
representing a player and you want that player to be
in a better scenario, and you're reading that the team
wants a first rounder while you value your client, are
you also coming back to the team like what are
we doing? Like what are you not accepting here? Because
it's an agent, you probably want your your client.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
To be in a better situation.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Sure, I would imagine the call would go something along
the lines of hey, Duke or whoever, we're interested in
Trey Hendrickson, and then Duke would respond, well, we need
a first in return, and then I would presume to
hear a dial tone on the other end of the phone,
and then maybe another team picks back up and they say, well, okay,
Tray's off the table. What do you want for Logan Wilson?

(47:41):
You know this guy's not playing for you. You don't
value him enough to put him on the field. You
want you want to take like a six round pick
for him, and then Dukes probably like, ah, we see
him as a second or third And then there's a
dial tone and then that person calls back and they're like,
all right, it did work out with Trey or with Logan,
but you got a guy in mc kinley Jackson who

(48:01):
isn't active but he wants he wants out. Would you
take a seventh for him? And Duke would probably say
something along lines of well, we took him in the
third so we couldn't let him go for anything less
than that, And then you hear a dial tone on
the other end. That's how I presume the trade deadline
will go over the next twenty four hours. And I
get like, you want to put value on your guys,
there needs to be realistic value.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
You're three and six, Trey Hendrickson is not under contract.
He's not gonna be a part of your future. It
would not make sense to franchise tag him. You've already
decided quite obviously, he's not a part of your future.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
I'll take anything, Yeah, I mean, we just watched the
team with one hundred and sixty nine rushing yards fro
him yesterday on a seventh round pick that you swapped.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
With the team last year. I'll take anything.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Give me more picks and then give me someone else
to make the picks, and I'd be happy.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
I'll take anything for any of those guys. Can I
give you a Genostone quote? Please?

Speaker 4 (48:52):
How do you respond to this Geno Stone talking about
al Golden quote? It's not the scheme. It's definitely not
the scheme. It's people doing their job. The scheme he
puts together is setting all of us up to be successful.
When you hear Geno Stone, who's one of the worst
safeties in football, say that about the coordinator, then you

(49:12):
have terrible players. Like, I don't know what else you want, Like,
that's an indictment on the players, and then that's an
indictment as well on Duke Topin. If your safety is saying,
don't blame aw, Aw's got us in the right spot.
Who are we gonna blame? Then the player that's executing
I think to a small degree.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
While it's hard to say anything nice about Geno's stone,
and maybe it would have been cool how he stuck
around to answer questions yesterday, I'm gonna say that that
is his way of taking accountability. Yeah, now sure, Frankly,
is there anything any of those guys could say that
would make anybody feel better?

Speaker 4 (49:57):
No, that's the problem. You're not gonna hear anything like
there was another thing and we'll play Zach. We're playing
him at the end of the show today. But Zach
also talked about like, well he had to sit down
and have a conversation with Chase Brown because the things.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
He said were that's what he said. I want players
who care like Chase, So that's my thing.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Yeah, so there's two ways to handle it. Zach at
the podium today said I love Chase but or Chase Brown,
but I had to have a conversation with Miday because
that's not what we do.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Conversation with Chase Brown doesn't play defense.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I would rather a coach say, you know what, I appreciate,
there's gonna be emotions. We want players to be emotional.
We want winning to matter. And he was frustrated after
a loss and I'm not going to I'm.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Not going to rate him for that.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Those are like Zach's up there saying we need a
leader on defense, But Chase Brown's gonna get a talking
to because he said what he said. I want players
like that. Like I mentioned to you off air, I
would take vontez Perfect on this defense right now. Why
because I know vontez Perfect is going to give everything
he has. He's probably gonna go after with the whistle.
I don't remember the last time anyone's been close enough

(51:03):
to a quarterback to get a roughing the passer. I
genuinely don't. When's the last time they roughed the passer?
When's the last time they just delivered a blow to
someone that borderline after the whistle that got flagged, right,
I'll take that at this point, any sign of life
from the defense. Chamar Stewart's not been close to a
quarterback since you and I watched him tackle Joe Burrow

(51:24):
at training camp. Like did that make him scared? He
get reprimanded, Like that's how crazy it is. Chamar Stewart
has not been any closer to a quarterback than him
hitting Joe Burrow at training camp. But yes, let's let's
talk to Chase Brown because he said that stuff about
a team.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
If if Zach Taylor takes issue with Chase Brown, I
would tell Zach to get ready for a lot more
conversations with his offensive players. He did prove because Chase
Brown's comments. Yeah, because the frustration is only going to continue.
Like I said this to you before, and I mean
like there's going to be a fight. We're talking about
competitive dudes. We're talking about guys who care. We're talking

(52:07):
about guys who are playing their asses off, whose best
efforts are going to be wasted. Like you can do
that whole, Rob, Rob. We win as a team, lose
as a team. Again, human nature dictates, I'm doing my part.
The people closest to me are doing We're doing our part.
These guys aren't. And there's no accountability, Like there's going
to be something that happens. There's too much season left

(52:29):
for there not to be if this continues, and why
wouldn't it.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
And tougher opponents. Right, let me give you one more.
Our guy, Austin Elmore just sent me this from Mike Petralia.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Darren Simmons was asked about Evan McPherson's short kick on
the fifty four yard attempt that came up short. Darren
Simmons said it was because they had to kick with
a quarterback ball, not a kicking ball. So if a
kicker comes onto the field, they swap the ball out. Yeah,
Quarterbacks pick their balls. Kicker kicks their ball. Because the

(52:59):
field came on the field after the plate clock started,
the kicking team had to use the QB ball.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
That's where we're at.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
So since the plate clock started and they decided we're
not gonna go for this, We're gonna send Devin out there,
they couldn't even get a kicking ball on the field.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Does Zach Taylor know that there's a different ball for kickers,
I would hope so, because he had his offense out there.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
These are these aren't like April fools, like, hey, pick
which one of these quotes is real? So these are
all quotes.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Flacco throws the pass. That's intentional grounding. The officials huddled
to me because the Chicago sideline is going nuts. Yes,
there's a lot of time, a lot of time between
when that ball hit the ground, Yes, and when the
Bengals attempted to feel.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Time on the headset to say, hey, if they do
call this, what do we want to do that We
was gonna kick it.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Plenty of time to go fourth and thirteen, Evan, let's
go yes, right, yep, And at that point the officials know,
let's swap out the ball. Yeah, Darren simmons explanation may
be accurate. Yeah, but it doesn't give him an excuse.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
No, that sounds worse on the coaching staff. Yes, Like so,
the way it's going to happen, intentional grounding is called,
the penalty is assessed, they come back, they respot the ball.
Once they respot the ball after a couple seconds, are
going to start the play clock. Once the play clock
is started, you can no longer substitute the ball out.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
And it's a big difference.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Sure, like quarterbacks, their ball is not going to be
as inflated as a kicking ball, so it's.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Not going to go as far when you kick it.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
So, in all that time, had the Bengals just trotted
Evan McPherson out there right away, what would have happened
they swapped the ball out? Well, can I ask a question,
William Wagner is the long snapper.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, he's on the field only on special teams downs.
So if there's anybody on the team who should be
able to put his hand on the ball and know
whether or not it's the right one. And I'm legitimately
asking here, right, is he allowed to go, hey, wrong ball?

Speaker 4 (54:54):
But once the play clock starts, that's it. But like
so you either have to burn a time out if
they're to get the right ball in.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
But if the rule is kickers kick a certain ball,
it's the k ball and the long snapper goes, this
isn't the right ball. That's that's not on the Bengals.
So could I And I'm legitimately asking here, is William
Wagner allowed to go, hey, we got the wrong ball?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
I think he could, But then the official would say
the play clock already started, so that ball has to
stay in the game.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
But that's the baffling part of that quote is insane
number one, Like all you had to do was decide
on fourth and thirteen, we're not going for it here, yep,
put the kicking unit on the field and there's plenty
of time to swap in the correct ball. But once, but.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Like where else does this happen?

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Once William Wagner. Once William Wagner gets his hands on
the ball, does he not have the freedom to say, hey, wrong, doll? Wow?
I mean, what a comedy of just.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
It's just demoralizing you, like you're you're almost conditioned as
a fan to just this.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Will be the talking point for the next two weeks. Yeah,
once we get the right ball straightened out, once we
know the ball that's coming into the game, we'll be
in a good spot. Okay, Well, twenty two after that's
chalk out as another one up that I never thought
i'd read. About twenty two minutes after four o'clock, we're

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(57:48):
on after the play clock is started, they do not
switch the ball. Yeah, so there you go. Yep.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
So again we've seen four timeouts having to be taken,
you know, play clock winding down, things like that.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
If that is the case, just take the time like
that's a scoring play. Like if you're gonna use the
time out at the time, that's a scoring play.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
And that's one that you could like after the game,
you could at least rationalize that's six minutes to go
in the fourth quarter. That's a scoring play.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Correct That Just.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Again, these are things like that you should be shocked about.
And we read these things and it's like, oh, that's
the Bengals. That's a bad way to be.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
I am convinced more than ever that when Joe Burrow
comes back, which really quick, if this team is out
of it, we'll see you next year. Joe, You're not
doing a Jade and Daniels thing. No, Joe's got to
be under center. This offense does function way too well.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yeah, it's one of the things I lost track of yesterday,
Like you get caught up in the game. I would
have I would have guessed Chase Brown had more than
thirty seven rushing yards.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Yeah, it just felt like it.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
But he had the ball so much because of is
eight catches that you just kind of got. I mean,
he touched the ball nineteen times. That's good and if
you total up, you know his yardage, he's in a
good spot. I just would have thought he would have
had more rushing yards than just a thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
They did run running plays out of shotgun yesterday. Yeah,
I mean it wasn't like every running play was with
Flacco and center, but it I don't know. Man. To me,
it's among the many real interesting stories of the offseason,
and there are many. How are you meshing the way
this offense has functioned with how Joe wants to play,
which is it's obviously something we've talked about in the

(59:36):
past with Jake Browning.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
But it's going to continue to be a thing. That's
another offseason question. But again, they've failed on their off
season answers. They did not protect Joe Burrow enough, that
was a high priority. They have not addressed the defense
in a positive way, and the defense was atrocious last year.
The draft seems to have been a miss by a

(59:57):
lot of different levels. It is, I mean, from a
whole right now, it's a failure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Can I do one more miss? Please? Because it's and
I told you so. This has nothing to do with
the game yesterday we referenced Bob Trump. He's passing before. Yes,
Bob Trumpy will not be alive when he goes into
the Ring of Honor. Sad, stupid, huge miss, huge mess.
Just yep. The I certainly give them credit for deciding

(01:00:28):
in twenty twenty one we need a Ring of honor,
but I remember talking about that this past summer going like,
just put these guys in, Yeah, just put just put
them in, forget a vote, put them in so you
don't confront a situation where someone has passed and they're
not there for it. And Bob Trump, he deserves to
be in the Ring of Honor as awesome as a

(01:00:50):
broadcaster that as he was godfather of Cincinnati Sports Talk,
was on the number one team on NBC. He's still
the franchisees all time leader among tight ends in receiving
four time pro bowler And now when they put his
name in the Ring of Honor, which they should, I
think will he won't be here for it. Great work,
big miss.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
I I didn't know obviously like much of job Trumpy
except what you heard in stories, but just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
An awesome dude.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Awesome dude, and like just for me personally, like he
opened the door and man bridge a gap of former
players getting into broadcasting like that was that was not
as much of a thing. You're exactly right, And for
him to go from player and not the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Transitions and not just like doing color like hosting Showy, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
His own show, Like that's it's very much of where
I'm at is in large part due to the doors
that he opened and started down the path of which
is obviously you're very appreciative.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Just the coolest guy and the greatest voice in the
history of broadcasting. Yep. Took a lot of cigarettes to
get it there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Yeah, I've heard stories of like walking in and like
barely being able to see him with.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
When we were working in Mount Adams and it became
a non smoking building and Bob would come up to
He did a show on Thursday Nights with Boomersie and
Boomer was in New York, Bob was here, and I
remember our boss at the time is like, hey, tonight,
you got to tell Bobby can't smoke. And it's like,
who wants to be the guard to do that? And
I remember one of those weeks it was me and

(01:02:22):
I'm like, Trump, just FYI, don't shoot the messenger. You're
you're not allowed to smoke in the building. And he
takes a big long drag and he goes and I
can't do his voice. I'll take that under advisement. You
know what I told you. Fantastic what a guy. Sad
to see that he passed. And while we're thanking folks
for bringing gifts, you just had another one, our guy,

(01:02:45):
Scott Swiney, What a what a day, die hard Caroline
for you, diehard Carolina guy, diehard Springsteen fan went to
Nick's opening night. Wow, not a Knicks fan, but went
to Nick's Opening night and brought me back the T
shirt that was on the seat. This is karma. You
paid it forward. This is karma because I went to
the Knicks Pacers playoff game. It was a yellow shirt

(01:03:06):
on the seat and you gave it away. I gave
it to a listener who just asked if he could
have it, and I sent it to him. I still
think this is why you do nice things for people.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
I still think what you do with shirts that you
receive over the course of a year, in different things
you do as genius.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Those are your vacation shirts.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
You wear them on vacation, any shirt that you're given,
any shirt that you get at an event, things like that.
Any but many shirts that you become your vacation shirts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I take old shirts or shirts that I don't want,
and I wear them on vacation and then I throw
them away on vacation and I don't have to bring
them back. It's genius, it really is. We have to
talk about the Bearcat game on Saturday. I've got a
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Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
You know how much of the defense you could break
down on a fifty five inch TV? Put the All
twenty two on you could if you have a if
you watch it on a fifty five inch you'd be
able to see if it's a kicking ball or quarterback ball.
You might be able to phone in director of common Sense.
Yet another time where your job role would have been pivotal. Yes, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zach,

(01:09:08):
that ball looks like it's a quarterback ball, like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Legitimately, and I know we're gonna talk about the Bearcats here,
How does a head coach in his seventh season be
that indecisive incredible about what to do in that situation.
It's fourth and fourth, it's fourth and thirteen. It's not
even like fourth and six or seven where you've gone

(01:09:31):
from fourth and one or fourth and shure, and it's
a it's a ten yard penalty and loss of down.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
How well are we sure that Russ Knack used a
kicking ball at Utah?

Speaker 8 (01:09:44):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Very good, pivot, very good?

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Sure are we sure that that was a kicking ball
in place?

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
So here's here's how I want to process you See's loss, Okay,
And then there's how I'm afraid I'm going to process
u See's loss. Yeah. How I want to process it is,
you know what just not there at night? Yep. Utah's
great at running the ball average two to sixty seven
on the ground coming in ran for exactly two sixty
seven against Cincinnati. That two sixty seven, Yes, number one

(01:10:12):
in the country minus the Service academies. So you knew
they were going to run the football and they did.
You know that Cincinnati's defensive weakness has often this season
been stopping the run. What they fell victim to were
some things that have been uncharacteristic at this team. Turnovers,
they had three of them now they got the ball
back immediately after one of them. With three turnovers one
in the red zones. Killer, they miss a field goal,

(01:10:35):
they give up a punt return for a touchdown. Special
teams play has been awesome for Cincinnati. It was the
exact opposite on Saturday, and Brendan sores Be played as
poor as he has I think since being a Bearcat.
That obviously hasn't been the rules. So the way I
want to process it is what you expected to go wrong, did,
but a lot of other stuff went wrong that typically
doesn't go wrong, and so the loss isn't worth making

(01:10:56):
a big deal out of because a lot of those
things that went wrong aren't really of who they are.
How I fear I'm going to process it is this
that the offense to a degree, looked a lot like
it did toward the end of the season last year.
Guys couldn't get open, wasn't a ton of creativity. Sores
By was either gun shy or just simply not very good.

(01:11:16):
They couldn't work in Joe Royer, and so this could
be the beginning of a downward slide that results in
a deeply unsatisfying win loss record after starting seven and one. Yah,
how should I process it? The former or the latter.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
I'm still gonna give them the benefit of down on
the former because they did it over a seven game
stretch where they didn't turn the ball over. They were
extremely efficient, and I think through money of those seven games,
Mo we said the same thing of they're kind of
playing with fire in some of these the laws they
would go on, but they had always found a way
and they always answered. And to me, that's how I'm

(01:11:54):
hoping this comes out. And in processing it, I thought
all along when they got to the last four, win
three out of four, and you're in good shape. They
still if they beat Arizona BYU at home and TCU
on the road, they'll play for a big twelve championship.
So there's still a lot ahead of this team that
you probably could do. What All right, let's watch the tape,

(01:12:16):
let's throw it away, and then let's move on. There's
also that concern of we saw them stumble down the
stretch and it felt like at times the book was
out on them last year, like they had been figured
out if I watched that game and I am Arizona,
and I'm BYU, and I'm TCU. I am pressuring this

(01:12:38):
team until they show me they have an answer for it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
That's all Utah did.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
I mean, it was unprecedented, the amount of times Utah
brought pressure. Scott's saddlefield with me after the game alluded
to it. They were just bringing pressure a ton and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
It didn't result in sacks. What was the answer to it?

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Like I think of man pressure, I think of crossing
routes man killers. I think of tight end play man killer.
I think of extending the pocket and using your quarterback
as a run pass option man killer. I think of
even and out the numbers in the box by using
the quarterback in design runs.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
He only was ran the ball twice. It stares me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
So my concern is if we're seeing that, why weren't
they able to adjust to it? And will you have
a better answer for it? Like, it's not we went
into the game. It's not new that Utah pressures.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
It's not new. They ran the most man coverage in
college football this year.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
You knew that was coming. You didn't have an answer
all night for it. That's my concern last year the
book got out and you didn't make the adjustments, and
what did we see the wide receivers outside of Cyrus's
Alan Cyrus Allen's explosive play, kind of getting walled off
at the sideline, not a lot of separation, not a
lot of route concepts. It was fade routes and many

(01:13:50):
of those landed in the six to seven yards out
of bounds slot.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
So it was a.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Weird game, forty five team. And there's a point I'm like,
I feel like the defense wasn't awful.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Really bad on second and Long. Second Long was terrible.
You pointed out often during the broadcast.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
The second Long was awful, but you give up the
punt return a couple of momentum plays and it got
away from him late. But I thought for much of
that game like they gave him a shot in the
second half, they got to stop you see, scored, then
they got a turnover, and I felt like, if you see.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
It takes advantage down ten and goes and scores, here
we go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
You see went three and out and they never got
their footing back after that. So it's, uh, it's at
times maddening to me. At some of the usage rates
on offense, Well, can you know who they are on defense?

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Can you the usage rate on offense? Everybody who follows
the Bearcats or rights about or talks about the draft
and mentions Joe Royer seems to believe that he has
a bright future in the NFL. A tight end. He

(01:15:03):
looks the part.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Top McShay had him in the first round of his
like preseason draft had him in the first round pick
number thirty one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
He has twenty three catches this season. He has two
each of the last two weeks. In no game does
he have more than five catches, and he's had five
catches in one game once. Now, when the offense is working,
not a big deal. When the offense isn't working, and
in their two losses it really hasn't worked, Joe Royer

(01:15:33):
has a combined four catches for twenty one yards. Yep,
he should be a bigger factor. I don't understand it.
I look at other tight ends in college football and
I see how they're used, and I think Scott Zanderfield's
offense this year has often been very creative and it's
often been very productive. But I just for what we

(01:15:53):
know about Joe Royer for all of his measurables that
people love. For as much as everybody believes, this guy's
a chance to go the NFL and have a very
good career. If you just look at the numbers, if
you just look at the stats, you don't know what
twenty three catches like. Why is he not a bigger
factor in their offense? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Someone the NFL Draft buzz. His biggest weakness still developing
as a blocker. That's all he's used for. His strengths
are his pass catching, his route, running right yards after
the catch. That's his strengths, right, Like they're not being utilized. This,
this says of Joe Royer NFL Draft Buzz, Royer is

(01:16:34):
a matchup problem that defensive coordinators will lose sleepover in
the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
That good of a matchup problem.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Yeah, and yet he's been targeted once each of the
last two games.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
And by the way, and he caught both of those targets.
I'll mention this about Saturday. It's not like I often
thought he was open. I mean, right, I love Joe,
but I mean it ain't like I was saying to
myself throwing the it wasn't open, right, I just his
role in the offense should be bigger. And this is
something Tony, you and I talked about it after they

(01:17:07):
won against Baylor and scored in six of their seven
real possessions. I just what I think about Joe and
what I think NFL people think about Joe versus how
he's used those There's not a It doesn't mesh.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
Yeah, I don't get it, especially when your offense is
struggling to get going right or Brendan Swarsby's with eleven
of thirty three. He got a couple of ballot balls
bat it down early. That messes with you in your
progression a little bit. The one way you get a
guy on track, it's like a shooter in basketball getting
to the foul line, find an easy completion or two.

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To me, that's Joe Royer, whether it's a screen, whether
it's a stick route. We saw a stick route against
Baylor or the home game prior where he took it
almost a distance five yard pass and he took it
seventy yards.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
That's what he can do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
I just don't understand, especially when the offense goes through laws,
why he's not utilized more in the passing game. But
with all that said, this team still has a shot
to play for a Big twelve champions.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
If they excuse me, if they went out two of
the next three year at home. By the way, if
you if you didn't see the Arizona game, which is
their next home game, is going to be a noon kickoff.
The Wildcats crushed Colorado, which is awful this year. The
by game is going to be here. BYU and Texas
Tech play this week and then Cincinnati ends up the
season regular season at TCU. They control their own.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Math is easy. The maanthusy Texas Tech has one Big
twelve loss. If BYU beats them, that's their second, and
then you see could hand BYU their first loss, and
on the head to head tie breaker. If BYU lose
this and you see still beats them, then that's BYU
second loss.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
So you play Texas Tech in the Big TA.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
Like the Houston loss clears this up a lot based
on lost west each other. One team is going to
have two losses and the others are going to have
one if you went out, So the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Math works out what I watched on Saturday does not
know And Brendan Sorosby's had a very good year, but
in the middle of the season. Last year, it felt
like one bad game snowball, and I worry about that
happening this year.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
And I worry about that, Like on a national level,
if you haven't watched, you see us closely, and then
you turned on College game Day.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Yeah, College Game Day was awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
They did two separate individual stories about Swersby and then
you watch that and you never got his name, right, Yeah,
and then you turn on for the first time. Let's
see what this guy's about, and that's what you watched. Yeah,
that's I mean, I hate that for him because he's
been so good, but on a national level, when the
build up has not been higher for you or this team,

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it was just his worst performance we've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
He'll get a chance to atone for it, sure, but
what I'm curious is snowball like last year or one off.
If it's a one off, this team's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Yeah, because they're gonna be you hope, they have the leadership.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Yeah, they bounce back after Nebraska.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
But I also think it's interesting not just injuries, influential injuries. Yeah,
Dante Corleone's not being right. Jake Golday didn't finish the game.
Evan Pryor was out. Yeah, I don't know if Michael
er if Mickel Walker had any I always called Michael
Warren because I think if they're similar backs. Yeah, but
he only had seven carries in the game. They're not

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only they have guys banged up, but they have guys
banged up at key positions. And I think the bye
week's coming into purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
As good as they are at linebacker, Jake Golday is indispensable.
Dante Corleone when healthy, is still their best player. And
I think you can get by without Evan Pryor or
tyr Wee Walker. Yeah, I don't think you can get
by without both. We'll see. It's eight away from five o'clock.
Back to the Bengals, whether we like it or not.
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Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
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a week from today. The Westchester location before returning to
Florence on November seventeenth, Do you just do you want
to run through here? We're gonna we haven't touched on
the rest of the NFL, the AFC North. We'll do
that and we'll here Zach Taylor's press conference later on
this hour. Can you run through the quotes? Yeah, you
read to me during they hour break. So Jordan Battle

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is talking today. It's good, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
He was asked after yesterday's game if Zach Taylor's messaging
to the team was any different today than a normal Monday,
And to me, that's that's that's important because if the
messaging is the same, there's a bigger problem, then the
results are probably gonna be quote whatever. His comment to
that question was no comment. So one, how hard would

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it be to say, yes, the messaging was different? You
know there's a sense of urgency. Yeah, we realized that
Zach Taylor was asked the exact same question, and you'll
hear that later in the hour. His response, I guess
you'd have to ask the players. Can we just get
an answer?

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Listen? Like it has been.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Back to back weeks of arguably the worst losses in
franchise history, based on how it happened, and a fair
question is asked of is the messaging any different today
than it normally?

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Is? No comment? And then Zach is asked, and Zach.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Could also most say what, Yeah, it was that we
need more attention to detail. There's an understanding that the
product we've put out for the last couple of weeks
is not good enough and we're going to adjust that.
And we made sure today that the tone was set.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
That's easy. Instead, what was it? You have to ask them?

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
So just deflecting. No one wants to tone that like
somebody own up for how bad this is.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
So there's where I was going to go next. So
Paul Dayner Junior wrote a piece after the game yesterday
pointing out how with a lot of the offensive players,
you're getting visible and outward and public frustration. Chase Brown,
Jamar Chase and at least me, I can't blame those guys.

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Dana wrote about how he goes in the locker room
after the game. Chris Jenkins, Chamar Stewart, and Jordan Battle,
who to his credit, did talk today, I guess all
declined the opportunity to speak. Geno Stone gone before media
members even got into the news conference room, and then
Paul points out that was even some notable laughter involved.

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Now that's what you want. Paul does point out that
Barret Carter and Demetrius Knight were made available and talked.
Dax Hill same as well. But you have a lot
of guys who don't want to talk. Now, I don't
like it, but okay.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
It's also crazy because Shamar Stewart had no problem talking
when it was about his contract, no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
You're right about that, So okay, fine, it's right after
the game. Maybe they don't want to say the wrong thing.
Maybe they'll present themselves tomorrow like Jordan Battle he did.
If I was Duke Tobin, if I legitimately felt responsible
about this mess, I would feel like, you know what,
My coach has to talk multiple times per week. These

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players after they play have to have microphones shoved in
their face, and nobody's gonna feel sorry for them. You
know what, I'm gonna answer questions. This is to me frustrating,
and I don't say this from my perspective. I don't
understand how if you're Duke Tobin in this decision making
capacity involving a franchise that millions of people care about

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You're never made available, right. He talks at the combine,
He talks at the mock turtle soup. He usually does
a hit with the TV people during a preseason game
and then a wall. You don't see him, you don't
hear him, And for the most part, I'm okay with that.
But to me, during a crisis time, especially when you're

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at your by, this is where I would say, you
know what, folks have questions. I'll try to provide some answers.
That's the person who should be talking this week.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
If there was ever a time that he did talk
sits Now. Yeah, what this team has done the last
couple of weeks. You're on a buy. The roster is
in disarray, and it's we already know what it is.
It's gonna be radio silence, right. All we hear is
what they want a first round it for head like.
So they're just operating with business as usual. Uh huh,

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that's my problem. Identify there's a huge issue. Identify you're
not going to the playoffs this year. Identify Trey Hendrickson's
not going to be here next year, and get something
in return for him. Do the same with Logan Wilson,
who's not a part of your future, get something in
return now instead of just this whole status quo. It's
a bye, we're here, we're on to we're on to Pittsburgh,

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We're on to the second half of the schedule. Change
it up at least, because that, to me would.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
At least show urgency.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
It would at least show that someone in the in
the building is identifying that, hey, hand up, what's going
on right now is wrong. Duke's gonna talk. We owe
it to the media, We owe it to our fans.
Like one of the hot button topics has been the
season ticket renewals, one of the hot button topics has
been the fans that are just so mad. I hope,

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I hope season tickets are sold out from the rest
of my lifetime. But it would help that in an
organization if Duke Tobin talks, because people want to know, like,
what's the plan's accountability? What is like this isn't good enough?
Can someone give me a little bit of the blueprint
of what the plan is going forward that I can
stake my claim to, because right now all it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Is is who Joe and Jamar and Tey are here?
Be happy. It's accountability. It's the owner never talks, and
the person who works directly underneath the owner, who's in
charge of the roster, never talks. And again, I don't
say this from my perspective enough. Duke Tobin wanted to
come on the radio with me, That's fine, that ain't
gonna happen. But I just I look at it from

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if I were Duke Tobin, I'd be watching people take
bullets for me. Yep, I gotta watch. And anyway, a
lot of these players shouldn't be here. A lot of
these players shouldn't have been here to begin with. Zach
Taylor deserves every ounce of criticism coming his way. But
at least those guys Zach Taylor has to talk every
single week, three times a week during season. The players
they conduct reporters that they choose to but but they're

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at least there to be asked. They can politely decline.
If I'm Duke Tobin, I go, you know what, We're
halfway through the season. I was there to get the
Executive of the Year award when we went to the
Super Bowl. Now's my turn to eat some cheese, Now's
my turn to show some accountability. He may offer answers
that nobody likes. Chances are that would be the case,

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but that to me is frustrating. That that is because
I said to you last week, I put myself in
the position of Mike Brown with Duke Tobin sitting across
from me, and I go, why can't you fix this?
It would be neat to hear from Duke Tobin when asked,
why can't get why can't you fix this?

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
I just want I want to know that inside the
walls of that facility things aren't status quo. I want
to know that they are approaching things differently, whether that's
a coach, whether it's a GM, whether it's a player.
Can I hear from somebody that says, you know what
today was different? A tone was set today. Things have
to change. We're taking the steps necessary at the bare minimum.

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That's not hard to say, right Instead, it's well, ask
the players, and then the player doesn't have a comment,
and then you can't talk to Duke Tobin. So all
you're left to do is just sit here and stew
over the fact that this roster is terrible. The way
they've been coached is bad. The way they've been constructed.
The way they've drafted is awful, and no one talks,
so you don't have an answer to anything. Now I'm

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watching mock drafts for twenty twenty six and thinking to myself, Wow,
could they lay Land Caleb Downs at number nine.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
That's already what we're on to number nine.

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
Number nine, there'd be the number nine overall pick right
As of right now in the draft, I'm not quite.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
To the point where I'm starting to figure out what's
the best draft pick they could get, but I'm pretty
damn close. Yep, you want to talk about the rest
of the NFL, I would like to. We'll do that
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Lance McAllister and Dave Lapham Tony. We have not had
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want to do it? I can't wait so right now.
The Pittsburgh Steelers have a two game lead over the
Baltimore Ravens in the AFC North, and yet both are
co favorites according to various sports books at minus one
thirty five to win the division. Baltimore on Monday. Here's
what stood out to me. Yes, Lamar Jackson came back

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and he was terrific, But that defense, that much malign defense.
Say which one about Miami? The first team in the
NFL this season to hold opponents to seventeen or less
in three straight games.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
You know, I think of yesterday in the AFC North,
and I think of, obviously the bad defense that we've
spent much of today talking about. Pittsburgh played great defense
against Jonathan Taylor and Indy, and the Baltimore Ravens played
great defense in their game against the Miami Dolphins. Can
talk about the offenses, talk about coming back. Like you said,
the Steelers and the Ravens both invested heavily on the
defensive side of the ball. It hadn't panned out much

(01:34:07):
in the early part of the season, but as you
start to get to this point, you start to see
the coaching, you start to see the development of these players,
and I think you're seeing that across the AFC North.
Outside of what the Bengals are doing, you're seeing teams
that are improving each week. You look at Baltimore's upcoming schedule,
you see why they're a co favorite, and I thought Pittsburgh,
we talked about this yesterday when we kind of picked games.

(01:34:30):
Yesterday felt like a game to me that Mike Tomlin
shouldn't win but always finds a way to win. Yeah,
and then you talk about Pittsburgh finding their footing on
the defensive side of the ball. It's frustrating to watch
because you see teams develop, developing players, developing schemes, making
adjustments as the season goes on. And I thought that

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the Ravens and the Steeler should both be applauded for that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
So Pittsburgh fans yesterday outside the stadium held a funeral
for the Steelers defense. The defense respond against Indianapolis is
statistically the best offense in the league. You know, we
could talk about whether or not we really are buying
into Daniel Jones, but they came into that game and
we talked about it yesterday. Statistically the best offense in
the league. And the Steelers had five sacks and six takeaways.

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And that's the Bengals next opponent.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
Do you think a funeral by the fans or a
players only meeting is more effective?

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Well, what's the gimmick this week? What can we do
to help what can we do? So this week, I'm
guessing the gimmick is self scout. Oh yeah, right, yeah,
self scout. Look at the tape, look at the tate.
Have the offensive coaches look at the defense, which, by
the way, I'm in favor of sure, because it feels
like the offensive coaches kind of know what they're doing.
The offensive coaches look at the defense, and then you
have the defensive stath do some self scouting of Joe Flack.

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How do you think that would look.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
I've never, like we said this earlier, I've never heard
during a broadcast one of the members of the broadcast
being so critical of the team's yes, coaching, yeah, and
scheme as Adam Rcheletti, Yes, was very critical of what
are they doing? You're slanting this way, and you're leaving
this open, You're you're running and lining up here. If

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if an analyst who's calling the game is being that critical,
it is insane how bad it is? So yes, any
self scouting, Hey, maybe let's try this. Maybe don't put
your guys in this situation. Maybe number twenty two doesn't
have to be on the field for one hundred percent
of the snaps. Some of those things. Maybe number ninety

(01:36:29):
seven should be in a different position. Perhaps, is there
anywhere else on the field that he can play that
defensive or offensive lineman can't make highlight tape reels about.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Him, so you could do the self scouting gimmick. They
haven't taken the ping pong table out yet. That hasn't
been a thing. Got be next. You would think maybe
during the bye that that that'll be it. I wonder
if they take this week and separate the locker rooms like, well,
you told me once your defensive coordinator Joe Tracy. Yeah,
they made him.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
Shower until the defense played better.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
So maybe they can do something similar with just all
the defensive players.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
I just wonder, like players get a couple days off,
they come back in and then there's like two different doors.
One says defense, one says offense, and then that way
we can avoid again. I don't the tension in those
postgame comments yesterday. Holy cow, Yes, that would be my
first order of business. How can we separate these sides

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in that way they don't have to interact with each
other all week. Yeah, practice on different fields. One team
offense is in the bubble today. Defenses outside scout teams
go accordingly. Don't even let them see each other.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Which team in the AFC North will finish the last
The Browns didn't play yesterday. Cleveland two and six, Cincinnati
three and six. This is awful. This is where we are.
I think it's the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
Yeah, like out of the by Pittsburgh, New England, Baltimore, Buffalo, Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
They won't be favored in any of those.

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
No, no, they they just made in my like to me,
they made Justin Fields and Caleb Williams make me think
Tom Brady was coming on the field at the last
drive of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
It wasn't just that it was the Bears with what
they were doing. They had four different players throw passes.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
The best player didn't have a catch and all, by
the way, their starting running back was out and the
running back that played that's the seventh round pick that
the Bengals sent them last year from Khalil Herbert. That
is the ultimate ultimate kicking the groin. And if you

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look at the upcoming schedule again, justin Fields and Caleb Williams.
I had a double take because I thought Brady was
running on the field with a minute left, right, what's Rogers?
We already saw what Rogers did against this defense. Drake
may Lamar Jackson twice and Josh Allen went over the
next five is a game that you can go into
because as bad as it's been against the Jets and

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the Bears, you still went into that game saying, I
can see the path they win. I don't know the
path in the next five agreed, and Cleveland agreed. Great defense,
but at least they're playing with something now. Defense is
spectacular and they're gonna try some young quarterbacks. We've talked
multiple times this year that it feels like from a
draft process alone, they got it right with their picks.

(01:39:19):
So it's crazy. But as we sit here on November three,
I probably trust the Browns organization to figure it out
more down the stretch than the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
I think I do as well. Do you have any
major takeaway from the game between Buffalo and Kansas City?

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
No, because you see, like what at five and one,
now Allen against Mahomes in the regular season, regular season? Yeah,
what's it? What's it added up to?

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Nothing? Nothing? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
Like, this is the Chiefs and it's who they are.
They're gonna grow from it, They're gonna learn from it.
I thought it was good that Josh Allen got going
a little bit. Yeah, he was terrific and it was fantastic,
But there are there are questions about that. I mean
receivers and the separation in which can get the consistency
in the running game, the defense, and they've gone through injuries.

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I still trust Kansas City will be there come playoffs.
And it's another edition of a good regular season win
for Buffalo over Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
So I will admit to you because of our travel schedule.
You know, we got in at six fifteen yesterday morning,
back from Salt Lake City, went and got breakfast, shout
out to the merl Anger, Kentucky waffle House. After them,
went to the Holy Grail, did our show with Ken Brew,
and then I went home out to Steve from Charlotte.
Steve from Charlotte. We haven't mentioned the Steve from Charlotte
yesterday brought us.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
It's the nicest bourbon gift I've ever received, without question,
maybe one of the nicest gifts I've ever received.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Twelve year Van Winkle reserves. Unbelievable. Yeah, unbelievable, Like we
looked up yesterday what you could.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
Yeah, but that didn't give it an ask for anything,
like just he gave it to us while we were
on the air. Yeah, didn't even hang around, walked in,
gave it to us. Couldn't wait around to the break.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
So Steve and Charlotte, Steve calls your a lot, Steven
Charlotte that we cannot thank you enough. This is one
of those where like, I don't know when I'm going
to open it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
I was thinking of that today because I'm like, I've
had all my kids, just went into the Hall of Fame,
I've been married, you know what, Like when is when
is the next monumental thing that you would even think
to open a bottle?

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Like Bengals are not going to win the Super Bowl.
If you see wins the Big Twelve. Okay, if you
see wins the Big if.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
They're playing in Dallas for the Big twelve title, I'll
poor glass.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
So anyway, I went to bed early, and I didn't
watch any of the Sunday night football game. I woke
up this morning and I saw the Jade and Daniels,
who I love watching, has a dislocated left elbit. I've
seen the replay down. Why I was in the football game,
Why was he in the game. Now. Connor Or of
Sports Illustrated has a piece out today sort of outlining
that coaches, for the most part leave their guys in,

(01:41:51):
leave their quarterbacks. And that doesn't mean that it was right.
It was a thirty one point game in the fourth quarter,
it was over. Dan Quinn's a smart guy. I think
a good coach who in their right mind would allow
the franchise to be in the game at that point.
I mean you and I you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
On the broadcast Saturday night, we were talking with Brendan Sorsby.
Is it time to pull Sworsby? Yes, because you still
got so much of your season ahead that Washington team.
It almost feels like the Bengals of a couple of
years back, where there's a lot of preseason hype based
on what they did the year before, and it feels
like their season's never gotten off the ground. No, and
now kind of feels like it never will.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
And on the other side of it, Sam Donald and
the Seahawks might be dangerous in the NFC.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Very good defense. Yes, Sam Donald's resurgence continue. They can
host the playoff game. They don't run the ball at all,
They do have the twelfth man. They went on the
road last night. Yeah, they're fun. But for the life
of me, I cannot understand why Jade Bracles was in
the football game. Nope, the Patriots are seven and two.
Pats are good man. You know you talk about like
games that when the schedule came out we either overlooked

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or chalked up as a win. Yeah, Drake May, we
just alluded to this, Drake May against the Cincinnati secondary tool.

Speaker 4 (01:42:58):
He's m saying, at such an unbelievable level, much as
they love to throw it long, yep, good luck. We
touched on it yesterday too. With the Patriots. They're winning.
Some would say maybe ahead of schedule. Yeah, and what
did they do last week? They moved on from two
players on their roster to start thinking about, Okay, we're
gonna nail this down. We're also going to make sure
we're we are securing ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
For the future.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
Yeah, Doug or Kyle Dugart doesn't have a role here.
Let's move on from him and get some value in
return to a desperate team, and then we'll stockpile more picks.
They don't have to use those picks on an actual draft.
You could take those picks and package them with something
and move to get a player sometime as well. So
to me, it's the forward thinking of man. I love
where we're at right now. We're living in the moment,

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but let's also look to the future and think, Okay,
can we can we acquire picks which can return be
more players, or maybe package those picks and get a
proven player. It's just a very impressive way in which
are going about their their business.

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
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at three o'clock this afternoon, and we have a contractual
obligation to air that press conference, which we don't mind
at all. It's part of getting a chance to carry
the games. We obviously love carrying the games. This is
the best way to do it. This is I think
that this is the best way to do it, especially
when you know it's going to be a long press conference.

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
But also it can happen and then I don't have
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to react because I've already read the quotes and I'm
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play this and then the show's over and I can
just stew on it and then talk about it tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
Right, So we've made the decision to eric in its
entirety now instead of at three o'clock. Also, when we
run it at three o'clock, it kind of screws up
the clock and it gets weird. So here, without any
further ado, is Zach Taylor. Earlier today, meeting with the
local professional football media.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
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Speaker 10 (01:46:38):
All right, go ahead, he came out cleared, didn't have
to go into concussion protocol, so that we're tele first
Somaj will be a couple of weeks. We'll get through
the buy and see where it's at High and Cold Spring,
and then Stewart we'll see where that ends up. We'll
get through the buy and see where that's at. Second

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to last drive, so we'll get more information on that,
see how long it is Zach.

Speaker 11 (01:47:06):
What's been Duke's assessment of just what's going on defensively
and what may be able to improve after the bottom.

Speaker 9 (01:47:13):
I can speak for anybody. I mean for us, it's
we got to execute better.

Speaker 10 (01:47:16):
Obviously, we got to get everybody on the same page
and execute the fundamentals and the details of what we're
trying to do.

Speaker 9 (01:47:21):
And I think everyone's in favor of that, and everyone
wants to do that.

Speaker 10 (01:47:25):
We just we haven't done a great job of that,
especially over the last couple of weeks, and so we're
all accountable for that. That's what we'll spend our why
we're doing as coaches, trying to find a way to
get everybody to play on the same page all the time.
We've got a lot of young players that are out
there at the same time, and so getting those guys
the experience they need together is only going to make
us better in the future, and so again we're just

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working through all that.

Speaker 9 (01:47:48):
Guys are all accountable for it.

Speaker 10 (01:47:49):
Everybody wants to play winning defense, winning football, winning team, football,
winning offense, all that stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:47:53):
So that's what we'll continue to try to do.

Speaker 11 (01:47:57):
You consider any staff changes for the past hours, No,
what gives you the belief.

Speaker 10 (01:48:01):
That these these are good football coaches. They've been successful
everywhere they've been. And so again, we're still in the
first half of the season. We all know we got
to play better as a football team. There's been challenges
or offenses faced of course the season, we worked through them.
We're playing better for it. There's challenges or defense they're
facing right now. I'm confident that we're going to work
through it. We're going to play better football and find

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a way to.

Speaker 9 (01:48:22):
Win some games.

Speaker 12 (01:48:23):
Follow up on that, can you clarify you don't plan
to make any stuff change on the defensive side of
the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
No.

Speaker 10 (01:48:29):
I believe in these guys absolutely, and so we'll continue
to work through it and find solutions.

Speaker 11 (01:48:33):
You just elaborate a little bit on what you're seeing behind.

Speaker 12 (01:48:36):
The scenes from a week two week basis from al
that gives.

Speaker 10 (01:48:39):
You, Yeah, working like crazy. He's a great football coach.
He's doing everything he can to uncover every single stone
to make us play better. I mean, we're all sick
for the way that these games are gone him probably
as much as anybody else on this planet. And so
I trust in him, trusting his staff that we're going
to keep working and get all these guys on the

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same page, executing at a high level, and be a
good defense going forward.

Speaker 8 (01:49:04):
So I've been through a lot of trick plays, misdirection screens,
all that kind of stuff that you, guys, what can
the defense do better against those types of plays?

Speaker 10 (01:49:10):
Well, you got to be Again, they're waiting for a
first first down, so we got to be better early
in the drive to take that stuff away from them.
So when you get into a rhythm, that's when you
feel most comfortable calling that.

Speaker 9 (01:49:18):
Kind of stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:49:19):
Obviously, they felt like they got into rhythm and threw
a lot at us. So again, it's it was reminiscent
really the twenty nineteen to forty nine Ers game in
the Week two they did a lot of that kind
of stuff too, and so it kind of took me
back there. A lot of the same stuff you're seeing
it's a really good staff. I mean, they're as creative
as it gets, and they really challenge you and put
you in a lot of buyings. And obviously a lot

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of these things worked for them yesterday.

Speaker 13 (01:49:42):
That's been the most concerning thing you've seen from the
defense for the last two weeks.

Speaker 10 (01:49:45):
I think we just have to be great tacklers and
just execute a fundamentals is a high level. So there's
plenty of times where it's ten guys doing exactly what
we need them to do and one guy outside of
his laying and giving up a big, big run or
a big rush. And so again it's just we've got
a mixture of some veteran guys, we've got a mixture
of a lot of young guys in there, and they're

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green together, and we've got to get that experience ramped
up very quickly. I trust that we can do it.
We're going to continue to work to do it and
find a way to get some stops.

Speaker 14 (01:50:13):
You obviously just out for your entire defensive staff. Yeah,
I know you're not going to give us exactly what
conversations have been like. But when it comes to to
do to men or ownership, and they've said it are
they confident in the defensive side.

Speaker 10 (01:50:27):
I should not speak for anybody. We have great staff,
great great conversations. Everyone's on the same page that we
just want to win and we want to look good
when we're winning. And so yeah, there's nobody that that
lacks accountability in any area. We're all just trying to
do everything we can to get better. But I'm certainly
not gonna speak for anybody.

Speaker 15 (01:50:43):
What about looking for different answers, looking for different Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:50:47):
I mean, yeah, that would that would that would infer
that we're not looking for different answers. I mean we're
always spend every single waking moment is trying to find
a solution to play better and be able to go
win games.

Speaker 9 (01:50:58):
And and that's that's what we're going to continue to do.

Speaker 15 (01:51:00):
Do you think the young players, and you have a
number of them on the roster e or first, second,
or thirty of year players feel the way the significance
of the season slipping away and we.

Speaker 10 (01:51:11):
Came well, we've talked about it, We've talked about this.
This can't be a last season for us. This has
got to be We got to come out of this,
buy rejuvenated and find a way to win, and winning
one game certainly propels you, and you've got to build
some momentum off of that. We had a chance after
the Pittsburgh game and kind of wasted two opportunities there,
and how much different things could have been if we
had finished these two games out. We'd still have issues

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we have to address, but we'd be in a better position.
And so we just got to find a way to
kickstart that and build our own mimentium there. So we
got players young and old that are accountable. They all
want to do well. They're all again I say this
a lot, they're all made of the right stuff. We
have a good locker room. I know yesterday there is
frustrated and emotional after a game like that. That's not
to be unexpected. But we'll just continue to get back

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to work and keep grinding.

Speaker 11 (01:51:57):
Do you feel like the solutions are still in this building?

Speaker 9 (01:51:59):
Absolutely? Absolutely, I do.

Speaker 11 (01:52:02):
When you talk about tackling, I'm sure from day one
to day two hundred, where.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
We're right now it's wrapping up, you still got guys.

Speaker 9 (01:52:09):
Just kind of throwing shoulders and not doing How do
you get guys out there?

Speaker 10 (01:52:12):
Yeah, I mean we've we've looked at every solution we
can in meetings. In a practice, all we can do
is continue to work at it. And again, there's not
a magic solution that we're all of a sudden you
gonna we do it if we could, and so we
just keep working through it. In practice, we keep detailing,
keep showing every single clip and it's kind of improve
You've made changes.

Speaker 14 (01:52:29):
To the starting lineup throughout the first nine weeks of
the season. Is that something you would assess over there?

Speaker 10 (01:52:34):
Well, I think we're always looking at the best way
to put the best eleven guys out there, and so
that doesn't change uh now or five weeks ago or
five weeks from now. So we will always continue to session.
We're not afraid to make changes we've got to make
and if we see something that we think will make
us better and then then we won't hesitate to do
that much.

Speaker 11 (01:52:52):
Can you get involved defensively in general and then specifically
with a bye week.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
Here, find ways to die to that side of the
ball or do you kind of still leave that to
out Yeah, more so to them.

Speaker 10 (01:53:04):
I'll be involved as the head coach, are accountable for everything.
I'm also not going to pretend that my expertise is
on the defense side of the ball. I can see
it from an offense perspective, but you've got probably you know,
one hundred years of experience on the defense side of
the ball. They've spent every second of every meeting. Becoming
a head coach doesn't just make an expert on the
other side of the ball that you didn't major in
your life. So there's ways I can help them from
the offense perspective, see things maybe from a different lens,

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spend a lot of time with allan those coaches this morning,
will continue to do that during the week, and just
just help in any way I can. And again, I
trust those guys. Those guys have been really successful everywhere
they've been, and we're going to be successful here. And
again we just we're going to work this week and
try to find a way to make our team better.

Speaker 12 (01:53:45):
Was your tone or message any different today than a
typical Monday.

Speaker 9 (01:53:50):
You'd have to ask the players out.

Speaker 14 (01:53:51):
I guess how long are those meetings when you meet
with now, especially over the past couple of weeks.

Speaker 10 (01:53:57):
Well, I mean we meet every day, so it's not
like there's just this meeting that we have after your game.
It's it's constant communication. And so I think when you're
doing that and you asked me my question about ownership
and Duke, we're we need all the time, see them
all the time, so there's not this this special thing
that's all of a sudden happening. So again, well we'll
keep doing a great job communicating and trying to grow

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one of the others.

Speaker 13 (01:54:19):
One of the conversation has been like that you and
Duke could have as you guys have kind of the season.

Speaker 10 (01:54:23):
Yeah, listen, we're on the same page. I'm not going
to get into every conversation I have with every person,
but we're on the same page. I think we all
want to do better. We all don't want to be
at the record we're at right now, so that that
shouldn't be shocking for anybody to hear that. We have
high expectations for this season. We did at the start
of the season, we still do now, and so we
just got to find a way to again make progress
and find this one against Pittsford when we come back

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from the buy.

Speaker 13 (01:54:44):
Talk about him coming when Black was potentially available. If
you kind of gage your opinion and you kind of
went with give you know, in your thoughts, How is
that kind of back and forth kind of evolved in
the rest over the years, especially close to the deadline
or when they're when you're looking they're looking at evaluating
talent to maybe coming building.

Speaker 11 (01:55:00):
How is that process like between you and you?

Speaker 9 (01:55:02):
How mean the same as it is in the off season?

Speaker 10 (01:55:04):
You know, anybody that we need to be aware of,
if they want our opinion on that, they give it
to us, and we give the opinion and then and
then the decision gets made. So it's not I know
there's a lot of attention at the trade deadline always,
but our communication is not any different than it is
from any other week. And so again, if there's something
that gets brought to our attention, we'll give our two cents.
We'll watch a player give our two cents, but trust
our scouting department to make make decisions they make.

Speaker 11 (01:55:27):
Bet Trey Hendrickson's on the roster aft of the deadline.

Speaker 10 (01:55:29):
Yeah, I think we can win with the players that
we have, and so just continue to work forward with
all of them.

Speaker 11 (01:55:33):
Is there any new information on Burrow and where he
stands on yesterday you mentioned he's been obvious.

Speaker 10 (01:55:39):
I don't have new information on it. I know that
he's getting after it. I know that he's he's doing
everything he can to get himself ready. And so again
I'm not going to make any declaration on what that
timeline is going to be other than the only way
I'll speak for him is I think he's happy with
the progress that he's making. And again, there's no timeline
for when that's going to be. But things are going
according to plan.

Speaker 11 (01:55:58):
Such thin margins. Yesterday, you know, one or two plays
go differently just to play with Orlando on the sports
have been like after the play, what did he say
to you?

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
And what did you say back to.

Speaker 5 (01:56:10):
Him on that?

Speaker 9 (01:56:10):
I don't remember what I said to him.

Speaker 10 (01:56:12):
I know he's been accountable multiple times yesterday and today
for what happened to me privately, to the team publicly,
and so again it's something that we can't go from
a person goal in the five to second goal in
the twenty. That's four points off the board there. We
we left a lot of points on the board yesterday.
It was so again we're talking a lot about the
defense in here, but offensively, I was really disappointed that

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we didn't score more points and that's frustrating that you know,
when we have the opportunity to put more points on
the board and not execute, could have found a way
to win it that way, you know, and then and
then fix the problems that we're having.

Speaker 9 (01:56:44):
But we just seeing get it done.

Speaker 8 (01:56:46):
You mentioned yesterday he wanted to reflect on the intentional
ground him then the fourth down process as the field
goal kind of was your takeaway.

Speaker 10 (01:56:53):
As he talked, Yeah, we're right there on the fringe
of where he wanted to be for the field goal.
You're kind of making a decision at that point. Are
you comfortable going down four at that point in the
game with the score of the way it was him
getting stop and find a way to go score And
I thought that in the split second that that's where
we could go. You know, I just ended up being

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a really tough decision that either way, you know, the
fourth and long or the field goal, the percentages are
probably very similar on how it's going to play out,
probably more so better off kicking the field goal than
converting on the fourth and long. So again, it's there's
an imperfect answer there that I think depending on game,
whether all that things could maybe change a little bit,

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could maybe make a different decision in a different game
and come back to the decision I made. So again,
it's just there wasn't a great solution there on which
way to go with that.

Speaker 15 (01:57:42):
From the outside, sack, a lot of people wonder why
losing five of six the way the last two games
have ended, Why don't you make changes?

Speaker 9 (01:57:51):
Is the status quo acceptable?

Speaker 15 (01:57:53):
And people wonder on the outside, why do you feel
that you do have the solutions in the building make
any change?

Speaker 9 (01:58:01):
Why is that because I've been through this situation before.

Speaker 10 (01:58:04):
We've been through this situation many years and come out
the other side playing for championships, went in divisions by
sticking with what we believe in and not doing what
everybody wants you to do. By sticking with it, I'm
thankful that in twenty twenty they didn't kick me out
of here, so we really to go to the super
Bowl the next year. And so again, I believe in
the people that we've hired. I sit in there, I

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watch these guys coach. I know what they're made of.
I know where we can continue to grow. And so
when you believe in people, you don't just make a
gut reaction from what people want to see that aren't
necessarily a part of it.

Speaker 9 (01:58:37):
I understand the frustration.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
I get it.

Speaker 10 (01:58:38):
I'd be frustrated too if I was outside the building.
We're going to get it fixed, We're going to continue
to work it. I trust every coach we got in
this building to get it done, or else they wouldn't
be here, we wouldn't hire them in the first place.
And so again I got firm belief that we can
get this done, and we can do with the players
we have and find a way to get some wins.
And again we just there's some things we got to
clean up, we got to do better. There's a side

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of that too, where we got to find ways to
push the right buttons for these guys to get them
exactly to do it how we want to do it.

Speaker 9 (01:59:05):
But I trust that we can get that done.

Speaker 11 (01:59:07):
Thought of putting Browning out for the hail Mary at
the end, knowing he's the shoulder, how far it was,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
If that's something you think about.

Speaker 9 (01:59:15):
Yeah, do that maybe there there are times in my
life where that has happened. If you if you've got
a guy.

Speaker 10 (01:59:24):
Who's who's that's his redeeming to trade is he's got
a big, powerful arm can kind of come cold off
the sideline.

Speaker 9 (01:59:31):
Joe.

Speaker 10 (01:59:31):
Joe is our best option there, and it's not fair
to Jake to put them out there cold like that
and try to launch one out.

Speaker 3 (01:59:36):
There the defensive line.

Speaker 14 (01:59:39):
How you know, when you talk about needing changes and
what you try to make guys play better, when guys
just are not witting up front, how does it get better?

Speaker 11 (01:59:48):
How does it get better when guys are getting moved
and just not winning enough.

Speaker 10 (01:59:52):
I mean, they're still coaching that's involved in that, you know,
So you see Thos not winning. There's still technique things
that we can prove on. There's rush lanes we can
do a better job of sometimes to allow other people
to win too.

Speaker 9 (02:00:03):
It's you're not.

Speaker 10 (02:00:03):
Always gonna win every single one on If you did,
you'd be an all pro player and it would be great.

Speaker 9 (02:00:07):
We have plenty of them.

Speaker 10 (02:00:08):
But it's also just about sometimes I'm from Russians. Four
guys doing exactly the way they're supposed to do it,
not three, not three and a half, and all of
a sudden, the one guy gets out of his lane,
and now Caleb Williams is out the door. You know,
there was a little bit of that yesterday, and so
again that's four guys on all snaps when we're only
rushing four doing exactly the way they're supposed to do it,

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and allowing the coverage on the back end to match
it and keep them trapped in the pocket and.

Speaker 9 (02:00:32):
I'll let him get out.

Speaker 10 (02:00:33):
And so again, those are easy things to clean up,
very easy that guys can be accountable for that We've
pointed out. It's not the same guy every time, you know,
it can be one guy doing it in a one
snap and another guy doing another snap. And part of
a great defense is everybody just doing it the way
it's supposed to be down an every single snap and
we're going to get there.

Speaker 12 (02:00:51):
Do you feel there is currently enough talent on the
defensive side of the ball to compete at a championship
level in the list you.

Speaker 16 (02:00:59):
Mentioned yesterday, Zach, how much you have to fight every
day to maintain your culture, not that just become an
offense defense thing. Chase Brown unloaded some frustration yesterday publicly.
Do you want players to have the freedom to vent
or do you have to talk to not.

Speaker 10 (02:01:13):
If you're not doing everything you can on your own,
you know, and I've pointed that out with Chase, you know,
it's there's two big plays that that we could have
done better that would have led to points.

Speaker 9 (02:01:21):
And so I think I liked Jamar a little bit better.
I can tell Jamar is.

Speaker 10 (02:01:25):
Frustrated, but he didn't want guys coming at him if
he's had a poor performance or something that he was
disappointed in. So I trust that that's a one time
thing and we'll learn from that. That's not how we
want to react. And one of our best players, one
of our highest character players, I think, in the moment's frustration,
said that and I don't.

Speaker 9 (02:01:42):
Expect that time again.

Speaker 11 (02:01:44):
Chase had to drop what was not there.

Speaker 17 (02:01:47):
Miscommunication going back to the young guys, and Andre's not
a rookie Yoshivas, but he was going through some struggles
seemed to kind of come out of it on the
other side yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:01:58):
Is that is that kind of validate?

Speaker 9 (02:01:59):
That's that with it at I mean, that's just part
of what we deal with, you know.

Speaker 10 (02:02:03):
It's it's not just overreacting to a couple of bad
moments that that are frustrating. We've seen the body of
work that he's put in to get to the position
he's in, and sometimes guys don't get enough credit for
the plays that they've made leading up to that point,
and it's easy to point out the errors that they've
made and and you know the disappointing place. And so
again for us as coaches, it's just evaluating the full

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body of work. And they've gained that trust. He's great,
he's put that credit in the bank, and I feel
really good about where he's at, knowing that he's going
to pull through some tough spots. And so again it's
none of our coaches or players are perfect. We're all
going to have moments where we could have done better.
I've got plenty of players. So it wasn't surprising at
all to see Yoshi respond the way he did, because

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that's just he doesn't He doesn't overreact.

Speaker 9 (02:02:49):
I don't believe to the good and the bad. He
just keeps working.

Speaker 10 (02:02:52):
And when you got enough guys like him and like
Chase Brown, like I know I just talked about you.
I love Chase to death, and that's that's part of
my conversation with him is this is a little bit
outside of you. And so again, just believing in those
guys and continue to stick with them, and we're going
to see great things from them like you saw from
those guys yesterday.

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
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Speaker 3 (02:03:21):
Right there you go, Zach Taylor chatting. Sorry, Tony, you
don't have any time, you have any old at any time.
I can't comment on that. You'll have to wait till
tomorrow at noon. Okay, probably best for everybody at this point.
All right, we are back here a week from today.
I want to thank the folks that came out to
Twin Peaks in Westchester. We'd love to see you next week.
Twin Peaks is awesome and we love doing our show

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from out here. Bengals Line is coming up next by
week show. The bye week show is next week. Tony
is back for Sincy three to sixty at noon tomorrow.
I return at three h five. Have an awesome night.
Thank you for listening. Thanks to Mike Mills for producing
on site, and of course Taron Beck and Kenwood. We'll
talk to you tomorrow. Bengals Line is next on ESPN
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