November 4, 2025 • 43 mins
Mo Egger & Paul Dehner Jr Talk all things Bengals and NFL Trade deadline
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Speaker 5 (02:20):
You have a lot going on. I'm thrilled that you're here.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, I'm happy to be here. This is always one
of my favorite ones every year where I'm like, please
don't make me work during this. But I mean, but
I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. In most years, i'm
just already under the assumption that the ship has sailed
and that and and I've kind of thought I would
feel that way today. But when things start happening like
(02:44):
they have today, you kind of throw all pretty conceived
notions out for a minute and say, Okay, the NFL
is doing crazy things. Yeah, so maybe a crazy thing
could happen, but I'm not counting on it right now.
But the NFL is a little unhinged at the moment.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Well, Logan Wilson has gone, yeah, that did happen.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
He's been traded by the Cowboys to the or by
the Bengals to the Dallas Cowboys. So he goes from
one awful defense to another slightly less awful defense. Bengals
get a seventh round pick in exchange for Logan. The
barometer for any Bengals trade, or any Bengals maneuver where
they cut a player is whether or not on the
press release there's a quote from somebody and Logan got
(03:23):
a quote from Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
At what level did this come from? This wasn't gonna
be a Mike Brown. No, the Mike Brown is top
of the line. Uh yeah, you know, I'm still I'm not.
It's certainly not surprising when you consider his situation. It
is surprising when you consider the Bengals breaking from history. Again.
(03:46):
You know, we've never really seen them, you know, do
many in season trades, trades hardly at all. Then this year,
not only did they for the first time trade with
the Browns and go get the quarterback in Joe Flacco,
but now, for the first time ever, they trade away
someone who could help them this year that hadn't sort
of blown up their way out of town. I don't know,
however you view the trade request issued by Logan. I
(04:08):
didn't feel like it was anything. It's certainly in the
vicinity of Carlos Dumbmap or Carson Palmer, but I think
it's a recognition of this might be just an addition
by subtraction. And I don't mean that as Logan is
not a good player. It's look, they've chosen to go
down this road. We're going down this road with Barrett
(04:28):
Carter and Demetrius Knight. And I actually felt like Zach
Taylor essentially announced this trade at the press conference on
Monday when he went onto a long spiel about Sam
Hubbard and the analogy about Sam Hubbard not really feeling
able to put himself out there and really become a
leader early in his career because Carlos and Gino were
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in the room with him, and who is he to
speak up? And even though he had a lot of
respect and people understood who he was and he worked
hard and he was everything they wanted to be about
going forward, he could read the room and see, that's
not my place to say anything. You gotta get those
guys out of there for the if you want the
young people to then grow up. And and I feel
like the benching was the beginning of this, and now
(05:12):
this trade is the finalization of this, of saying, we
just want these guys to be our future, and we
think leadership traits is part of that. And you know,
I talked to Barrett today and he said, you know,
to that idea, to that question, the idea of like, yeah, yeah,
I did feel like I need to read the room.
I you know that guy loves Logan Wilson, right, I
(05:32):
mean her, He professed that openly today. Is like it's
gonna be for life what he did for me, and
he was the first person to text him, and so
many things, A ton of respect you. I had so
much respect you. I'm not gonna step on that guy's toes. Yeah,
you you feel a little bit of a need to
go and now you can more fill that space. I
(05:52):
also thought he said the right thing with that of like,
but it starts with playing better, Like you have to
play better. And the truth is, no one's fotollowing anybody
that plays terribly anywhere. Okay, so until that starts, until
they start actually playing better, none of this other stuff matters.
But you know, maybe that if they're hoping that they'll
start playing better and then they'll feel a little bit
(06:14):
more open to let the other stuff start to show
a little more.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Well, and if you could add a seventh round pick
obviously to the arsenal of selections the Bengals will have
next year, it's just it's just more damage they can
do in the draft.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's something yeah, right, yeah, let's let's go down the
what's your favorite seventh round pick?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Right, let's go down not Kyle Manogi or right, I
mean a guy how do we say his name? Manangay, Manangay,
Thank you, Kyle Manangai. That that's my least favorite seventh
round pick of all the time.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Pretty good, yeah, pretty good. You know it can apparently
run for a lot of yards when they're there available
to them.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I could run for a lot of yards against this defense.
So we'll tap the brakes on that just a little bit.
But there's my least the round pick. Yeah, that's that's
that's fair. You were an oudentate guy at one point.
No I was not no, no I I was a T. J.
Hushman zaa guy he was a seventh round packs.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think that's a lot of people's favorite seventh round paper.
So the deadline is forty nine minutes away.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
By my calculation, you have done Tuesday with me for
eleven years. I think that's accurate. Yeah, it's eleven years,
So that's eleven trade deadline Tuesdays. Usually we barely mention it. Yeah,
I detect from you a little pensiveness, Yeah, a little
bit the deadline, like a little bit.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Maybe something could happen.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Maybe, I don't know, Like I just think the the
nature of today in the NFL keeps me a little
bit more on edge, in the fact that teams are
hunting and calling about Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I had.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
The Bengals have been pretty resolute. I've never gotten the
feeling during this and I've written it that they were
ever gonna do that. Yeah, but I think that's because
they knew their asking price would continue to be the
same number that no one has ever been willing to meet.
And so if the league is now doing things where
people are throwing around first round picks, then maybe maybe
(08:08):
that could you could see a desperation move come from somebody,
and we knew anybody that is close to this team
knows that that was the only thing that was gonna happen.
Here would be a desperation a desperation move where the
Bengals feel like they would be pretty big winners in
a deal. Because here's the thing, and I've said this
a million times and why this has never made sense
to me, and it would be the all it would
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be the ultimate change is they're just not gonna wave
the white flag on the season, whether you think they
should or not. I just don't see a world where
right now they're gonna wave the white flag on this season.
Giving up Trey Hendrickson would be saying it's over, we quit,
we're not trying. That has never been their philosophy. That
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has never been something they would ever allow or really
stand for. Yeah, the Logan Wilson thing is like, again
I talked about it, but it's like it's like a
tiny version of the tiniest version of that. That's a
small departure. B It's why they've never made in season
trades giving up someone who can help them because they're
just not gonna wave the white flag in any capacity.
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So for that reason is why it's never really felt
like something was going to happen here because Trey Hendrickson
is the one guy that can actually make things look
different on the defensive side of the ball. If Trey
plays in the second half the last four weeks, they
the last two weeks even they probably win both those games.
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He's a closer. It's literally the one still they needed. Yes,
the one skill they made the last two weeks was
what he is, maybe as good at as anybody in football.
Has been here. He has closed out for years. Remember,
you know, Joe Burrow and quarterback, come on Trey, like,
you know what time it is. The last two weeks,
it's been Trey time, and he hasn't been out there.
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And they don't have anybody who is remotely like him
or even you know, his New Orleans version of himself.
They don't have anything that looks like that. And so
the games have ended the way they have. I feel
like if they had a full Trey Hendrickson out there,
they would have finished both of those games off and
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would be in a different place. They didn't. It doesn't matter.
But if you're talking about, like, how could the second
half look different? I look at the on off splits
this year from Trey Hendrickson when he's on the field
this year and when he hasn't been. And really this
goes back because isn't just the shit, they're just massive.
They're two different, totally different defenses. And so when we
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talk about all these historical futility in the second halves
and games in a hole, but certainly in the second halves,
we've seen this over and over again. Trey Hendrickson with
zero second half snaps the last four weeks because he's
gotten hurt in the first half of the two games
he tried to play him. And you see the difference.
You see what's happening, and they just don't have any
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answers regardless. No one's saying they'd be great, no one's
saying they'd even be serviceable. But it could be enough
to win when you score forty two, right, and I
just don't see them saying we're gonna take that chance
off the table. That's that's what's felt like the biggest
driver for me in the conversation around him. Before the
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last you know, forty.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Eight hours so we've seen Sauce Gardner get traded by
the Jets to the Colts.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Two first rounders involved.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Is that move in particular, the one that is giving
you slight pause as it relates to what they may
do with Trey.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I mean I think both jets. I mean the
Quinn Williams to Dallas, which I have a thought on
at some point if you want to hear it. Yeah,
But like I think that that is the thing that Okay,
teams are out here. You know, there's right, it's the
it's the FM pick's mentality, starry with threads. I think
there's there's lots of the Jags, Like there's just teams
(11:58):
that are just so much more will to say, you
know what, let's go now. It feels accessible. The super
Bowl feels on the table for Seattle, for Indianapolis, for
Dallas at three five and one. You know they're sitting
here saying, let's go for it now. Sauce and Quinn
in The difference for them is they're under contract for
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multiple years and Hendrickson is clearly a rental. But if
a team feels like they really want it that, I
think that gives you pause when you see the aggressiveness
level happening. It's a sense around the league that the
Super Bowl can be taken by a team that makes
the right move today.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Is Trey the only current Bengal that's on your radar
as it relates to a possible deal, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think so. I mean there are others that I mean,
there's really very few players I wouldn't I mean, I
wouldn't trade DJ Turner. No, and that might be it
on defense, right, like, oh, on defense? That is it?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, I'm not The list is DJ Turner. The list
is DJ Turner.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm keeping Uh, that's and that's pretty much you know,
that's probably it I would listen to. I mean, you
would think maybe somebody like Osai or a bj Hill
would have some kind of if anybody was just looking
for depth or whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, maybe, I mean McKinley Jackson, our teams beating down
the Bengals not.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Quite hadn't seen that yet. Look still still still poking around,
though there's still time. We got forty two minutes for
the the Jackson rush.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Would then this might be a stupid question.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Would a Cam Taylor Britt or a Dax Hill illicit
interest from a team that's like, you know what, they're
still upside, we can fix them.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, I think Dax would. I think there's enough there
with Dax and and maybe maybe someone would look at
Cam and say, give me a shote. Maybe that's where
lou Ana Rumo's conversation started with Chris Ballard in Indianapolis.
He's like, look, I don't know. If you can't get
me Cam, I guess okay, right, like I guess, will
(14:01):
you Google go that way? Maybe that's how that began. Yeah,
I think that there would be I don't know. I
don't think so. I mean, it's it's hard for how
does anybody watch the tape?
Speaker 6 (14:13):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
You know, and it's like, I think that's gonna put
us over the top. No, there are none.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I mean, but I there are times where a move
is made involving a player where you're like, man, that
guy's no good, and the team that acquired to me go, okay,
they must have had a great grade on them, and
they think in a different system they can get more
out of them. And Cam, Taylor, brid and Dax Hill
struck me as players that someone may view through that lens.
But I certainly didn't wake up this morning think they're
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gonna trade me one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
No, and you know, I mean, you know. The Cam
roller coaster is well documented I think they feel like
maybe they're on one of those good upswings with Cam today.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
A lot of ball to go.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, we know what comes up. It's like
when the chain's pulling you up the hill. It's not stopping. Okay,
it doesn't just keep going up into the clouds. We
know that we know what comes on the other side.
But I think that there's a feeling like, Okay, maybe
there's some stability with with dj and and Dax and
if they can start to get CAM back on the
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right track at least for right now. But that's all.
That's kind of a separate story. Forty one minutes away
from the trade deadline. Oh, Ken, you need like a
clock sounder, a tick sounder.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
In years past, I think we've had Tarren play some
sort of obnoxious you know, horn Blair or something that
we could we can get that, And no, you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Don't want I'm not a horn Blair guy.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
No, it has to get people's attention.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I just think a little clock, there's a little ticking,
that's all.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Do you want the ticking in the background for the
duration of the top of your I mean maybe going
maybe something in some of your buyers tear little teasers
that you do. Taryn Tarren producing back and Ken We'll
he'll have something ready for us. It is twenty minutes
after three o'clock trade deadline. Is it for Paul Danner
Juniors with us?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Till then?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
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Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, that's fun. Tomorrow Trade deadline recap, Yeah, sort of thing. No,
just no, I think Jay and I are are doing
live tonight at seven thirty, okay, and we're gonna do
trade deadline stuff and the normal PD and Jay. So
I can watch that on YouTube to catch up. And
now then I'm we're just gonna see where you and
I go tomorrow. That's why those are my favorite shows.
(17:28):
Those are my favorite shows with you and when when
we just sort of turn the mics on and and
just go with a discuss this. Let's see where this goes.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
So it's Trade Deadline right four o'clock.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
With every passing minute, I see you looking more and
more relaxed.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I'm getting I'm getting there. I'm getting there. It's always
Nerve racking.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Who is making the decisions for the Bengals today in
the front office, it's Duke Tobin. Yes, who will be
making the Bengals decisions tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Duke Tobin was making the Vegals decisions. Smile.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk says, quote, there's bubbling up
now the duke Tobin is going to be out, maybe
during the bye week, maybe sooner.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Heads are gonna roll in Cincinnati. What do I do
with that?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, first, I didn't know it was Floria season already
that we had to go said, Yeah, he's like a
he he's like a winter guy comin.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah, yeah, you need.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
The first snowfall till it's Floria. It's a little early.
I will say, if there was one person on earth
that would not know this answer, it might be Mike Floria.
But I just you know, I don't think that he
has connections inside of the building that way. I I
(18:47):
do not look that we're in We're in the chaos
times right now. Okay, this is there's a lot going
on in terms of the team. Has we haven't seen
it be in this shape. You know, the last time
it was in this shape. The move was about Marvin
Lewis and they made the move, and you know, it
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was sixteen years and so much of that and then
things were it was the good times. It was the
good old days after that, so we haven't really Duke
has never been in the crosshairs like this, and his
role has never really been challenged at any level like this.
(19:30):
In terms of that, I don't, you know, it just
feels that feels like an aggressive thing to say. First
of all, as soon as the bye week is literally
right now, So you're saying this person could be fired
anytime from today to the end of the earth. Okay,
as soon as right now he could be fired, and
(19:57):
then anytime after that. Right, I think that there's Yes,
he's under the microscope. You and I have talked about,
talked about this last week. Yes, So I don't like,
I don't want to have to keep doing this every week.
I understand that we have to right now because of
you know what Mike said, But like I just feel like, yes,
there is more focus. Yes, I think there's more cracks
(20:19):
here than we've ever seen. But it's just would still
be so stunning. He's still part of everything they believe
in as an organization and what he's been such a
central part of everything there. I think everything is on
the table right now because of the nature of we've
(20:40):
just never seen anything quite like this, and you've put
it perfectly I've heard you talk about this multiple times
of look like, this is your job to fix this defense,
and it's just gotten so much worse. It feels so unrecoverable.
And it's all because of so many of these picks
are not panning out. And at what point and the
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free agent things that have happened, Like, at what point
does all of this just pile up where it's just
for the betterment of everybody that you try doing something different.
I think the logical side of it is no one
is gonna contend with that. It's just the reality side
of what it actually happened. I'm not buying that just yet.
I'm just not. But you know that anybody can, anybody
(21:29):
can say that things are bubbling up, and no one
will care if they don't, no one will call back
to that.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I think there's bubbling up amongst US fans. It's bubbling
up that's undeniable. Yeah, there's a pretty sharp difference between
bubbling up here with idiots like me and bubbling up
among people who are in a decision making capacity at
pay Court Stadium. Yes, and there's no distinction in what
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Mike is referring to, Like bubbling up is that in Cincinnati,
their mad Duke Tobin.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, yes, the main roll. Yeah, I don't. People aren't
just gonna come out of this thing unscathed, like obviously,
but who is that? I mean, there's there's levels to this,
as they say, I mean, and and I just think that's, uh,
that's a level that is I mean, it takes unprecedented
times and here we are, right, So so I'm not
(22:22):
I don't want to sit here and rule anything out,
but like it that doesn't it certainly didn't land or
really register with me as something that I feel like
makes a whole lot of sense in this in this
exact way.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I have a few questions kind of related to this specifically, Okay,
but I do want to get a break and let
me let me ask you this though before we pause.
So last week we talked about it feels like this
is really the first time where Duke Tobin is in
the public's crossairs, and you said, you know, this is
the first time, and I'm paraphrasing here, this is the
(22:57):
first time where it's plausible that maybe they do something,
but still so unlikely that if they did it, it would
be shocking. Would you frame it the same way after Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, I mean, you can only take so many of those. Yeah,
I mean, I still I still think that at at
the end of the day, you know, there is a
a patience and a need to see everything play itself out.
(23:32):
And maybe some people say it played out like we
saw it. You know, this is it. It's it's been,
it's played. But there's that's always that's always, even going
back to Marvin Lewis here, you know, I feel like
it's let's see the whole book. Mike in the family
are let's see the whole book before we judge it,
and let's not go in and so doing it now
(23:54):
before a lot of these young players that they're clearing
the decks for have a chance to show the level
of improvement they're looking for, would be again just crazy,
out of character. And maybe that's what they I mean,
there's a lot of arguments about that's what they need.
I think most people would make those right now, but
(24:18):
I'm trying to speak in the reality of how realistic
I think it is. It would be stunning and out
of characters still even to me, even after even after
what happens, it's got twenty seven minutes counting it down.
Where's the ticker? I'm listening. I don't hear it. Terren's
working on it. He's working on it. He's trying to
find that. They're trying to find the ticker anything on
(24:38):
this here internet. Well, yeah, you're right. I don't have
a joke. But terrens I'm sure he's working on it. Oh, yeah,
he's got it.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Is twenty seven away from four o'clock and the trade deadline.
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Live tonight at seven thirty with Jay Morrison.
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Speaker 1 (27:19):
Who you think won the battle between Duke Tobin and Louannarumo.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Mo Hemo, This team is seven to two. I know
he gets to coach Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I'm didn't have to.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Move very far.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
He just keeps getting great players thrown into his laugh.
He's on it. They keep winning.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
They don't have to be great defensively.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
They can do lou Anarumo ben but don't break, which
statistically they do.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And then everything you want to happen. When you have
a blow up that leads to you leaving a job
or you get fired, you just want the other place
to be in shambos stress. That's all you want. You
just want your all your former co workers and friends.
You want them to be calling you being like, this
is a disaster. You just want to hear all the
horror story. And so I just you gotta feel like
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he just like goes he collects his w cracks open
a cold on the couch. He's like, let's watch some
Bengals highlights, right like, and just sits up every Sunday night. Uh,
and then then waits for the call Chris Ballad to
tell them that they're giving him sauce Gardner. It's just
an embarrassment of riches for for lou over there right now.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
A few more questions about Tobin, okay, and maybe what
it would look like if they did move on. We
haven't had a de facto general manager search.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
What would that look like? I mean, well, I think
you probably in the meantime, you would probably have one
of the three agms would step in, right, You'd have
Trey Brown or Steve Orusivik or Mike Potts, they're they're
there right. Trey has has notably interviewed for GM jobs
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across the league. He'd be familiar, Like if you were
doing something like that, you probably would would start there
and then open up. I don't know. I mean, we've
never and it's so this is the heart, it's so gray.
There's so much unknown onto what any of this would
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look like. And truthfully too, like, you know, is Mike
gonna be like we need a new guy, like because
there's it's a unique situation there where they like Duke
for the fact that they it's a very tough relationship
to manage with him and the family and the football
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aspect and what Mike still does and what he does
and his role and all. It's just all of it
is really hard to step into and have a feel for.
So I I don't know that anybody could sit here
and say they would know what that would actually look like,
you know, because we haven't ever really seen it.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
When this possibility has come up, even when it has
seemed extraordinarily unrealistic, many have countered with who would want
that job? Is that a fair way to look at
it because of what you just outlined.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I don't know. I think a lot of people would
do you want patients and job security? You know? I
mean do you want? I mean they have when new
head coach like Zach Taylor is coming in, they have
given him rain to do a lot of things that
he wanted to do. They've been willing to make changes.
They have been a bit adaptable as an organization, specifically
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comparison to previous times.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
You have Joe Burrow like it's important.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, I mean, you have the hard stuff here in
place in a lot of ways, I don't think. And
the biggest problem that many gms in this league face
is feeling like they have to make moves for their
jobs and you don't have to do that here. You
can play the longer game the same way that Baltimore
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and Pittsburgh do and and in the success that I
think that those two teams and the Bengals have had
in this division in comparison to like, you know, when
you see the the interchanging that happens with Cleveland or
a lot of other places that are unstable across the league.
Is part of what would make a job like that
one that people would want everybody. Everybody has a challenging
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ownership situation in some way, Like there's only so many
openings that happen where it's like, oh, but the ownership
is just clean. It can be no issues there. You're
gonna that's that's that's the NFL man. You gotta you
got it the same way we used to talk about
this with Marvin Lewis and and and the job is
as much about managing up as it is managing down.
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You have to be able to make all sides work
and get your vision across, like that's gonna be part
of that here, the same as it would be in
any market that has an NFL team in America.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
One more on this and then I will ask about
other things. So Florio says heads will roll. You don't
disagree with that. So if Duke Tobin's head is not
the most likely to roll, whose.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Head will be rolling? Well, I mean we know Zach
Taylor is on the seat. You have to be in
some capacity. I mean we talked about this the moment
they let go of a Luannarumo, like you only get
to do this once. And so I think that's clear.
Even with all the things happening offensively that have been good.
(32:38):
You know, he's not gonna to me. We're at the
point where you're not judging him for that as much.
We've established that you can have good offenses, yes, and
you can do it apparently with multiple quarterbacks that both
times he's been given backup quarterbacks besides Joe Burrow. It's
been remarkable what they've been able to do offensively. What
they're doing right now is a masterclass. But the bottom
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line is, and you know, I asked about this on
Monday specifically because of this is you know, what are
what are you gonna do to help the defense? And
the answer is that's not my specialty, Like I'm here
to help. And they're building the thing and things that
that that they find tough and challenging as an offense.
At a certain point, as the head coach that this
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team has to fix their defense. They have the quarterback,
like you have the quarterback that can that can make
your offense go. You you need people that can figure
out what's going on defensively, and too often, uh, the
defense just hasn't been able to figure itself out in here.
And so if if that's the direction that you're gonna
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look at things and say, Okay, let's pair a defensive
head coach with with Joe Burrow. Then maybe then maybe
that's you know, you could see that being a direction
that that you would want to go. That's worked before.
You're thinking Brady Belichick all that type of stuff, right,
and and you can maybe go forward some in that way.
But that's that's part of the conversation. That would be
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the heads. I mean, this is what you're where you're
when you reach historical levels, when when every week is
a new set of five or six things, this league
has not seen triangles the sixty six New York Siety
six Giants. Jay had a stat with like the twenty
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one like a team I'd never the Takawanda something's I
was like, they didn't even have like a forward pass
at that point, Like when you're when when these are
the comparisons where this is all we can find that
has ever looked like this. Yeah, like everybody of any
importance in the building is under fire. There's there's no doubt.
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And that doesn't mean that we know how it's gonna go,
but yeah, it's it's everybody.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
You wrote after the game about going into the locker
room and not a lot of defensive guys wanted to talk.
Some did, and you pointed that out. You reference there
being laughter in certain corners of the locker room. How
sharp of a departure was that on Sunday from other
similar low points with that side of the ball or
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even the other side of the ball since you've been
covering the team.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Uh, A decent amount. I mean, the the the lack
of fire and the lack of seriousness that you felt
over there. They just the guy, the people that you
did see or hear from felt sounded beaten down and demoralized.
And then you had a lot of young players who
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just didn't seem to think that they had any real
reason to care about certainly us not they not they
only anything that every time Like, no, this is not
about taking stock, right, But this is about that. It
is about comparing to what it looks like when teams
do pull out of it and not that right. So
my my thing is I felt like and I don't know,
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like what with Chase Brown is kind of a separate
story that I I just I wanted to see where
are the players not just Sunday, during this entire downfall
of this defense. That sound like Jamar Chase, that sound
like Chase Brown. I don't care if your emotion comes
out right or wrong. I want to see it. Yes,
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where is it where? That's what you usually get right
before it gets to the beaten down, demoralized portion of
the program. You usually see the like dude who wants
everyone to know this ain't me and I hate that
this is where we're at and we got to get
this and maybe they maybe, Man, these players only meetings
are just just tearing the paint off the wall. I don't,
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you know whatever, I don't is there gonna be another one?
I mean, I feel like you just keep having bye week.
It was one thing that I that I was looking
for when I walked in the locker room today and
you know exactly what it was, punk table, ping pong table.
I said, no, it was nothing to change the ping
pong table. Maybe next Okay, after the bye week, after
a week of retrospection, they came back and said, we
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think we've got it. Ping pong table. Right, Maybe that's
where they go next to it. I mean, but that's
my point is is I feel like you usually see
the blow up, the emotion, the like fire in the
form of some kind of weather. It's anger, even if
it's misplaced, or like guys getting at each other a
little bit more like there just really hasn't been hardly
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any of that over there. It's just felt like a
went wrong again. Yeah, we missed the tackles and we
just got to keep working at it and we're gonna
get it right, and we're looking for leaders, and it's
just where's the fire?
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Where? Where? Where are seven guys on defense that sound
and look like Jamar Chase and Chase Brown and some
of the other people and and you know, it's just
it's not that that has to be the way out,
Like there's you want to be smarter and more constructive
in the way that you deal with your problems, but
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it has to start with the true fire and want
to be better and feeling pushed and driven to just
not accept any of what's happening on your watch as
a player, and that just where is that where is
Like I'm not right, that just hasn't really existed yet
to this point. You want the defense to be as
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angry as the offense seems to be.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
What I feel bad about, among a lot of things,
is because there's just so much stuff happening here. We
don't have enough time to examine the difference between the
quarterback ball and the kicking ball.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Oh I got to see them side by side too. Yeah,
they're like they're from different sports. It's unbelievable, right, how
different they are. I never would have thought that they
really were that different. It looks like if you put
a football next to a rugby ball or whatever. Yeah,
I mean it's they're totally different. They feel different, they
are shaped different, they're the leather, all of it is
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like totally rougher and different. Yeah, it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
But the Bengals hosted demonstration for you so they can
make it.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, they showed me. They showed me the two side
by side.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Why why White cut the long snapper, touch it and
go huh? Does the scoring play call a time out?
Are you allowed to do that? I know they once
once the offenses on the field, they put the quarterback
ball in the field, they're not gonna swap out the ball,
but are you allowed to call it out the.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Discretion of the sideline referee? Weather Because they don't get this.
They don't want to be caught being the ones when
the CA ball has to come in to have to
toss it and want their like referee to be juggling
it and unable to get it. So they make it
their discretion whether they have to restart the play clock
or not. And the last thing they want have to
do is restart a play clock apparently no matter what.
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So that includes like not running out there with the
ball and handing it to them or anything like that.
They just say, Nope, not gonna get the CA ball
in and they and they rule it off and you
have to go. You have to go play with it
and unless you unless you do stop the clock or whatever,
and like, uh, this happened with this happened with Tennessee. Yeah,
with this big part of Brian callihan situation. They took
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a delay and had to kick a sixty two yard
to get the other ball in there. They're so different now.
The difference is way bigger this year than ever has been.
But I'm like, okay, So the referees don't want to
look dumb, so they make the kicker look dumb right
insteady like, you know, way more the coach look dumb
for having the offense on the field on fourth and
thirteen and then oh you know what, maybe we want
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to kick here and that that whole thing was a mess. Yeah,
it was an absolute mess, right, but the bottom line
is like this should not be about this also should
not be about restarting the play clock, like look, get
the get the right ball is yes, you know, and
then to me, can you just have can can will
Wagner have the kick caball under his arm at all
times and be able to go run out there and
hand it to the official.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
He's that should the long you're on the field for
this one play. You have the ball and if you
can't bring the proper ball out then your team suffers
because of it.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
You will handle the CA ball. Yes, we solve this.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
The job job by us.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Wait again, but we're like out of time, But you
wanted to say something about that, Quinna Williamstrang.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
That's what I would have done if I were the Bengals. Yeah,
I would have traded Trey Hendrickson. Use the compensation you
get back from trading Trey Hendrickson to help fuel a
deal for a real player who's going to be here
for multiple years going forward, and help fix your pass
rush right now and for essentially the same amount of
money that you already have. Trey Hendrickson, Like, if you're
paying him right now, it could help you know you
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you have that money available if you ever have done
an extension with him at one point, can you be
the de facto GM. I'll apply. We still come here
on Tuesdays, I'll be I'll be so accessible. I'm gonna
be at the bye week. Then forget the bye weekend.
After the season, every game, I'm here every Tuesday day
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Your bosses will love GM. Yes, all right.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
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Speaker 5 (02:20):
You have a lot going on. I'm thrilled that you're here.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, I'm happy to be here. This is always one
of my favorite ones every year where I'm like, please
don't make me work during this. But I mean, but
I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. In most years, i'm
just already under the assumption that the ship has sailed
and that and and I've kind of thought I would
feel that way today. But when things start happening like
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they have today, you kind of throw all pretty conceived
notions out for a minute and say, Okay, the NFL
is doing crazy things. Yeah, so maybe a crazy thing
could happen, but I'm not counting on it right now.
But the NFL is a little unhinged at the moment.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Well, Logan Wilson has gone, yeah, that did happen.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
He's been traded by the Cowboys to the or by
the Bengals to the Dallas Cowboys. So he goes from
one awful defense to another slightly less awful defense. Bengals
get a seventh round pick in exchange for Logan. The
barometer for any Bengals trade, or any Bengals maneuver where
they cut a player is whether or not on the
press release there's a quote from somebody and Logan got
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a quote from Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
At what level did this come from? This wasn't gonna
be a Mike Brown. No, the Mike Brown is top
of the line. Uh yeah, you know, I'm still I'm not.
It's certainly not surprising when you consider his situation. It
is surprising when you consider the Bengals breaking from history. Again.
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You know, we've never really seen them, you know, do
many in season trades, trades hardly at all. Then this year,
not only did they for the first time trade with
the Browns and go get the quarterback in Joe Flacco,
but now, for the first time ever, they trade away
someone who could help them this year that hadn't sort
of blown up their way out of town. I don't know,
however you view the trade request issued by Logan. I
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didn't feel like it was anything. It's certainly in the
vicinity of Carlos Dumbmap or Carson Palmer, but I think
it's a recognition of this might be just an addition
by subtraction. And I don't mean that as Logan is
not a good player. It's look, they've chosen to go
down this road. We're going down this road with Barrett
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Carter and Demetrius Knight. And I actually felt like Zach
Taylor essentially announced this trade at the press conference on
Monday when he went onto a long spiel about Sam
Hubbard and the analogy about Sam Hubbard not really feeling
able to put himself out there and really become a
leader early in his career because Carlos and Gino were
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in the room with him, and who is he to
speak up? And even though he had a lot of
respect and people understood who he was and he worked
hard and he was everything they wanted to be about
going forward, he could read the room and see, that's
not my place to say anything. You gotta get those
guys out of there for the if you want the
young people to then grow up. And and I feel
like the benching was the beginning of this, and now
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this trade is the finalization of this, of saying, we
just want these guys to be our future, and we
think leadership traits is part of that. And you know,
I talked to Barrett today and he said, you know,
to that idea, to that question, the idea of like, yeah, yeah,
I did feel like I need to read the room.
I you know that guy loves Logan Wilson, right, I
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mean her, He professed that openly today. Is like it's
gonna be for life what he did for me, and
he was the first person to text him, and so
many things, A ton of respect you. I had so
much respect you. I'm not gonna step on that guy's toes. Yeah,
you you feel a little bit of a need to
go and now you can more fill that space. I
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also thought he said the right thing with that of like,
but it starts with playing better, Like you have to
play better. And the truth is, no one's fotollowing anybody
that plays terribly anywhere. Okay, so until that starts, until
they start actually playing better, none of this other stuff matters.
But you know, maybe that if they're hoping that they'll
start playing better and then they'll feel a little bit
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more open to let the other stuff start to show
a little more.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Well, and if you could add a seventh round pick
obviously to the arsenal of selections the Bengals will have
next year, it's just it's just more damage they can
do in the draft.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's something yeah, right, yeah, let's let's go down the
what's your favorite seventh round pick?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Right, let's go down not Kyle Manogi or right, I
mean a guy how do we say his name? Manangay, Manangay,
Thank you, Kyle Manangai. That that's my least favorite seventh
round pick of all the time.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Pretty good, yeah, pretty good. You know it can apparently
run for a lot of yards when they're there available
to them.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I could run for a lot of yards against this defense.
So we'll tap the brakes on that just a little bit.
But there's my least the round pick. Yeah, that's that's
that's fair. You were an oudentate guy at one point.
No I was not no, no I I was a T. J.
Hushman zaa guy he was a seventh round packs.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think that's a lot of people's favorite seventh round paper.
So the deadline is forty nine minutes away.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
By my calculation, you have done Tuesday with me for
eleven years. I think that's accurate. Yeah, it's eleven years,
So that's eleven trade deadline Tuesdays. Usually we barely mention it. Yeah,
I detect from you a little pensiveness, Yeah, a little
bit the deadline, like a little bit.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Maybe something could happen.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Maybe, I don't know, Like I just think the the
nature of today in the NFL keeps me a little
bit more on edge, in the fact that teams are
hunting and calling about Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I had.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
The Bengals have been pretty resolute. I've never gotten the
feeling during this and I've written it that they were
ever gonna do that. Yeah, but I think that's because
they knew their asking price would continue to be the
same number that no one has ever been willing to meet.
And so if the league is now doing things where
people are throwing around first round picks, then maybe maybe
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that could you could see a desperation move come from somebody,
and we knew anybody that is close to this team
knows that that was the only thing that was gonna happen.
Here would be a desperation a desperation move where the
Bengals feel like they would be pretty big winners in
a deal. Because here's the thing, and I've said this
a million times and why this has never made sense
to me, and it would be the all it would
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be the ultimate change is they're just not gonna wave
the white flag on the season, whether you think they
should or not. I just don't see a world where
right now they're gonna wave the white flag on this season.
Giving up Trey Hendrickson would be saying it's over, we quit,
we're not trying. That has never been their philosophy. That
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has never been something they would ever allow or really
stand for. Yeah, the Logan Wilson thing is like, again
I talked about it, but it's like it's like a
tiny version of the tiniest version of that. That's a
small departure. B It's why they've never made in season
trades giving up someone who can help them because they're
just not gonna wave the white flag in any capacity.
(09:15):
So for that reason is why it's never really felt
like something was going to happen here because Trey Hendrickson
is the one guy that can actually make things look
different on the defensive side of the ball. If Trey
plays in the second half the last four weeks, they
the last two weeks even they probably win both those games.
(09:38):
He's a closer. It's literally the one still they needed. Yes,
the one skill they made the last two weeks was
what he is, maybe as good at as anybody in football.
Has been here. He has closed out for years. Remember,
you know, Joe Burrow and quarterback, come on Trey, like,
you know what time it is. The last two weeks,
it's been Trey time, and he hasn't been out there.
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And they don't have anybody who is remotely like him
or even you know, his New Orleans version of himself.
They don't have anything that looks like that. And so
the games have ended the way they have. I feel
like if they had a full Trey Hendrickson out there,
they would have finished both of those games off and
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would be in a different place. They didn't. It doesn't matter.
But if you're talking about, like, how could the second
half look different? I look at the on off splits
this year from Trey Hendrickson when he's on the field
this year and when he hasn't been. And really this
goes back because isn't just the shit, they're just massive.
They're two different, totally different defenses. And so when we
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talk about all these historical futility in the second halves
and games in a hole, but certainly in the second halves,
we've seen this over and over again. Trey Hendrickson with
zero second half snaps the last four weeks because he's
gotten hurt in the first half of the two games
he tried to play him. And you see the difference.
You see what's happening, and they just don't have any
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answers regardless. No one's saying they'd be great, no one's
saying they'd even be serviceable. But it could be enough
to win when you score forty two, right, and I
just don't see them saying we're gonna take that chance
off the table. That's that's what's felt like the biggest
driver for me in the conversation around him. Before the
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last you know, forty.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Eight hours so we've seen Sauce Gardner get traded by
the Jets to the Colts.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Two first rounders involved.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Is that move in particular, the one that is giving
you slight pause as it relates to what they may
do with Trey.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, I mean I think both jets. I mean the
Quinn Williams to Dallas, which I have a thought on
at some point if you want to hear it. Yeah,
But like I think that that is the thing that Okay,
teams are out here. You know, there's right, it's the
it's the FM pick's mentality, starry with threads. I think
there's there's lots of the Jags, Like there's just teams
(11:58):
that are just so much more will to say, you
know what, let's go now. It feels accessible. The super
Bowl feels on the table for Seattle, for Indianapolis, for
Dallas at three five and one. You know they're sitting
here saying, let's go for it now. Sauce and Quinn
in The difference for them is they're under contract for
(12:19):
multiple years and Hendrickson is clearly a rental. But if
a team feels like they really want it that, I
think that gives you pause when you see the aggressiveness
level happening. It's a sense around the league that the
Super Bowl can be taken by a team that makes
the right move today.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Is Trey the only current Bengal that's on your radar
as it relates to a possible deal, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think so. I mean there are others that I mean,
there's really very few players I wouldn't I mean, I
wouldn't trade DJ Turner. No, and that might be it
on defense, right, like, oh, on defense? That is it?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, I'm not The list is DJ Turner. The list
is DJ Turner.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm keeping Uh, that's and that's pretty much you know,
that's probably it I would listen to. I mean, you
would think maybe somebody like Osai or a bj Hill
would have some kind of if anybody was just looking
for depth or whatever.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, maybe, I mean McKinley Jackson, our teams beating down
the Bengals not.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Quite hadn't seen that yet. Look still still still poking around,
though there's still time. We got forty two minutes for
the the Jackson rush.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Would then this might be a stupid question.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Would a Cam Taylor Britt or a Dax Hill illicit
interest from a team that's like, you know what, they're
still upside, we can fix them.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, I think Dax would. I think there's enough there
with Dax and and maybe maybe someone would look at
Cam and say, give me a shote. Maybe that's where
lou Ana Rumo's conversation started with Chris Ballard in Indianapolis.
He's like, look, I don't know. If you can't get
me Cam, I guess okay, right, like I guess, will
(14:01):
you Google go that way? Maybe that's how that began. Yeah,
I think that there would be I don't know. I
don't think so. I mean, it's it's hard for how
does anybody watch the tape?
Speaker 6 (14:13):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
You know, and it's like, I think that's gonna put
us over the top. No, there are none.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I mean, but I there are times where a move
is made involving a player where you're like, man, that
guy's no good, and the team that acquired to me go, okay,
they must have had a great grade on them, and
they think in a different system they can get more
out of them. And Cam, Taylor, brid and Dax Hill
struck me as players that someone may view through that lens.
But I certainly didn't wake up this morning think they're
(14:40):
gonna trade me one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
No, and you know, I mean, you know. The Cam
roller coaster is well documented I think they feel like
maybe they're on one of those good upswings with Cam today.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
A lot of ball to go.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, we know what comes up. It's like
when the chain's pulling you up the hill. It's not stopping. Okay,
it doesn't just keep going up into the clouds. We
know that we know what comes on the other side.
But I think that there's a feeling like, Okay, maybe
there's some stability with with dj and and Dax and
if they can start to get CAM back on the
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right track at least for right now. But that's all.
That's kind of a separate story. Forty one minutes away
from the trade deadline. Oh, Ken, you need like a
clock sounder, a tick sounder.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
In years past, I think we've had Tarren play some
sort of obnoxious you know, horn Blair or something that
we could we can get that, And no, you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Don't want I'm not a horn Blair guy.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
No, it has to get people's attention.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I just think a little clock, there's a little ticking,
that's all.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Do you want the ticking in the background for the
duration of the top of your I mean maybe going
maybe something in some of your buyers tear little teasers
that you do. Taryn Tarren producing back and Ken We'll
he'll have something ready for us. It is twenty minutes
after three o'clock trade deadline. Is it for Paul Danner
Juniors with us?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Till then?
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Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, that's fun. Tomorrow Trade deadline recap, Yeah, sort of thing. No,
just no, I think Jay and I are are doing
live tonight at seven thirty, okay, and we're gonna do
trade deadline stuff and the normal PD and Jay. So
I can watch that on YouTube to catch up. And
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I go tomorrow. That's why those are my favorite shows.
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Those are my favorite shows with you and when when
we just sort of turn the mics on and and
just go with a discuss this. Let's see where this goes.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
So it's Trade Deadline right four o'clock.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
With every passing minute, I see you looking more and
more relaxed.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I'm getting I'm getting there. I'm getting there. It's always
Nerve racking.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Who is making the decisions for the Bengals today in
the front office, it's Duke Tobin. Yes, who will be
making the Bengals decisions tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Duke Tobin was making the Vegals decisions. Smile.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk says, quote, there's bubbling up
now the duke Tobin is going to be out, maybe
during the bye week, maybe sooner.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Heads are gonna roll in Cincinnati. What do I do
with that?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, first, I didn't know it was Floria season already
that we had to go said, Yeah, he's like a
he he's like a winter guy comin.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah, yeah, you need.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
The first snowfall till it's Floria. It's a little early.
I will say, if there was one person on earth
that would not know this answer, it might be Mike Floria.
But I just you know, I don't think that he
has connections inside of the building that way. I I
(18:47):
do not look that we're in We're in the chaos
times right now. Okay, this is there's a lot going
on in terms of the team. Has we haven't seen
it be in this shape. You know, the last time
it was in this shape. The move was about Marvin
Lewis and they made the move, and you know, it
(19:08):
was sixteen years and so much of that and then
things were it was the good times. It was the
good old days after that, so we haven't really Duke
has never been in the crosshairs like this, and his
role has never really been challenged at any level like this.
(19:30):
In terms of that, I don't, you know, it just
feels that feels like an aggressive thing to say. First
of all, as soon as the bye week is literally
right now, So you're saying this person could be fired
anytime from today to the end of the earth. Okay,
as soon as right now he could be fired, and
(19:57):
then anytime after that. Right, I think that there's Yes,
he's under the microscope. You and I have talked about,
talked about this last week. Yes, So I don't like,
I don't want to have to keep doing this every week.
I understand that we have to right now because of
you know what Mike said, But like I just feel like, yes,
there is more focus. Yes, I think there's more cracks
(20:19):
here than we've ever seen. But it's just would still
be so stunning. He's still part of everything they believe
in as an organization and what he's been such a
central part of everything there. I think everything is on
the table right now because of the nature of we've
(20:40):
just never seen anything quite like this, and you've put
it perfectly I've heard you talk about this multiple times
of look like, this is your job to fix this defense,
and it's just gotten so much worse. It feels so unrecoverable.
And it's all because of so many of these picks
are not panning out. And at what point and the
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free agent things that have happened, Like, at what point
does all of this just pile up where it's just
for the betterment of everybody that you try doing something different.
I think the logical side of it is no one
is gonna contend with that. It's just the reality side
of what it actually happened. I'm not buying that just yet.
I'm just not. But you know that anybody can, anybody
(21:29):
can say that things are bubbling up, and no one
will care if they don't, no one will call back
to that.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I think there's bubbling up amongst US fans. It's bubbling
up that's undeniable. Yeah, there's a pretty sharp difference between
bubbling up here with idiots like me and bubbling up
among people who are in a decision making capacity at
pay Court Stadium. Yes, and there's no distinction in what
(21:56):
Mike is referring to, Like bubbling up is that in Cincinnati,
their mad Duke Tobin.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, yes, the main roll. Yeah, I don't. People aren't
just gonna come out of this thing unscathed, like obviously,
but who is that? I mean, there's there's levels to this,
as they say, I mean, and and I just think that's, uh,
that's a level that is I mean, it takes unprecedented
times and here we are, right, So so I'm not
(22:22):
I don't want to sit here and rule anything out,
but like it that doesn't it certainly didn't land or
really register with me as something that I feel like
makes a whole lot of sense in this in this
exact way.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I have a few questions kind of related to this specifically, Okay,
but I do want to get a break and let
me let me ask you this though before we pause.
So last week we talked about it feels like this
is really the first time where Duke Tobin is in
the public's crossairs, and you said, you know, this is
the first time, and I'm paraphrasing here, this is the
(22:57):
first time where it's plausible that maybe they do something,
but still so unlikely that if they did it, it would
be shocking. Would you frame it the same way after Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, I mean, you can only take so many of those. Yeah,
I mean, I still I still think that at at
the end of the day, you know, there is a
a patience and a need to see everything play itself out.
(23:32):
And maybe some people say it played out like we
saw it. You know, this is it. It's it's been,
it's played. But there's that's always that's always, even going
back to Marvin Lewis here, you know, I feel like
it's let's see the whole book. Mike in the family
are let's see the whole book before we judge it,
and let's not go in and so doing it now
(23:54):
before a lot of these young players that they're clearing
the decks for have a chance to show the level
of improvement they're looking for, would be again just crazy,
out of character. And maybe that's what they I mean,
there's a lot of arguments about that's what they need.
I think most people would make those right now, but
(24:18):
I'm trying to speak in the reality of how realistic
I think it is. It would be stunning and out
of characters still even to me, even after even after
what happens, it's got twenty seven minutes counting it down.
Where's the ticker? I'm listening. I don't hear it. Terren's
working on it. He's working on it. He's trying to
find that. They're trying to find the ticker anything on
(24:38):
this here internet. Well, yeah, you're right. I don't have
a joke. But terrens I'm sure he's working on it. Oh, yeah,
he's got it.
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Speaker 1 (27:19):
Who you think won the battle between Duke Tobin and Louannarumo.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Mo Hemo, This team is seven to two. I know
he gets to coach Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I'm didn't have to.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Move very far.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
He just keeps getting great players thrown into his laugh.
He's on it. They keep winning.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
They don't have to be great defensively.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
They can do lou Anarumo ben but don't break, which
statistically they do.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And then everything you want to happen. When you have
a blow up that leads to you leaving a job
or you get fired, you just want the other place
to be in shambos stress. That's all you want. You
just want your all your former co workers and friends.
You want them to be calling you being like, this
is a disaster. You just want to hear all the
horror story. And so I just you gotta feel like
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he just like goes he collects his w cracks open
a cold on the couch. He's like, let's watch some
Bengals highlights, right like, and just sits up every Sunday night. Uh,
and then then waits for the call Chris Ballad to
tell them that they're giving him sauce Gardner. It's just
an embarrassment of riches for for lou over there right now.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
A few more questions about Tobin, okay, and maybe what
it would look like if they did move on. We
haven't had a de facto general manager search.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
What would that look like? I mean, well, I think
you probably in the meantime, you would probably have one
of the three agms would step in, right, You'd have
Trey Brown or Steve Orusivik or Mike Potts, they're they're
there right. Trey has has notably interviewed for GM jobs
(28:53):
across the league. He'd be familiar, Like if you were
doing something like that, you probably would would start there
and then open up. I don't know. I mean, we've
never and it's so this is the heart, it's so gray.
There's so much unknown onto what any of this would
(29:14):
look like. And truthfully too, like, you know, is Mike
gonna be like we need a new guy, like because
there's it's a unique situation there where they like Duke
for the fact that they it's a very tough relationship
to manage with him and the family and the football
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aspect and what Mike still does and what he does
and his role and all. It's just all of it
is really hard to step into and have a feel for.
So I I don't know that anybody could sit here
and say they would know what that would actually look like,
you know, because we haven't ever really seen it.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
When this possibility has come up, even when it has
seemed extraordinarily unrealistic, many have countered with who would want
that job? Is that a fair way to look at
it because of what you just outlined.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I don't know. I think a lot of people would
do you want patients and job security? You know? I
mean do you want? I mean they have when new
head coach like Zach Taylor is coming in, they have
given him rain to do a lot of things that
he wanted to do. They've been willing to make changes.
They have been a bit adaptable as an organization, specifically
(30:36):
comparison to previous times.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
You have Joe Burrow like it's important.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, I mean, you have the hard stuff here in
place in a lot of ways, I don't think. And
the biggest problem that many gms in this league face
is feeling like they have to make moves for their
jobs and you don't have to do that here. You
can play the longer game the same way that Baltimore
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and Pittsburgh do and and in the success that I
think that those two teams and the Bengals have had
in this division in comparison to like, you know, when
you see the the interchanging that happens with Cleveland or
a lot of other places that are unstable across the league.
Is part of what would make a job like that
one that people would want everybody. Everybody has a challenging
(31:29):
ownership situation in some way, Like there's only so many
openings that happen where it's like, oh, but the ownership
is just clean. It can be no issues there. You're
gonna that's that's that's the NFL man. You gotta you
got it the same way we used to talk about
this with Marvin Lewis and and and the job is
as much about managing up as it is managing down.
(31:50):
You have to be able to make all sides work
and get your vision across, like that's gonna be part
of that here, the same as it would be in
any market that has an NFL team in America.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
One more on this and then I will ask about
other things. So Florio says heads will roll. You don't
disagree with that. So if Duke Tobin's head is not
the most likely to roll, whose.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Head will be rolling? Well, I mean we know Zach
Taylor is on the seat. You have to be in
some capacity. I mean we talked about this the moment
they let go of a Luannarumo, like you only get
to do this once. And so I think that's clear.
Even with all the things happening offensively that have been good.
(32:38):
You know, he's not gonna to me. We're at the
point where you're not judging him for that as much.
We've established that you can have good offenses, yes, and
you can do it apparently with multiple quarterbacks that both
times he's been given backup quarterbacks besides Joe Burrow. It's
been remarkable what they've been able to do offensively. What
they're doing right now is a masterclass. But the bottom
(33:00):
line is, and you know, I asked about this on
Monday specifically because of this is you know, what are
what are you gonna do to help the defense? And
the answer is that's not my specialty, Like I'm here
to help. And they're building the thing and things that
that that they find tough and challenging as an offense.
At a certain point, as the head coach that this
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team has to fix their defense. They have the quarterback,
like you have the quarterback that can that can make
your offense go. You you need people that can figure
out what's going on defensively, and too often, uh, the
defense just hasn't been able to figure itself out in here.
And so if if that's the direction that you're gonna
(33:40):
look at things and say, Okay, let's pair a defensive
head coach with with Joe Burrow. Then maybe then maybe
that's you know, you could see that being a direction
that that you would want to go. That's worked before.
You're thinking Brady Belichick all that type of stuff, right,
and and you can maybe go forward some in that way.
But that's that's part of the conversation. That would be
(34:01):
the heads. I mean, this is what you're where you're
when you reach historical levels, when when every week is
a new set of five or six things, this league
has not seen triangles the sixty six New York Siety
six Giants. Jay had a stat with like the twenty
(34:22):
one like a team I'd never the Takawanda something's I
was like, they didn't even have like a forward pass
at that point, Like when you're when when these are
the comparisons where this is all we can find that
has ever looked like this. Yeah, like everybody of any
importance in the building is under fire. There's there's no doubt.
(34:45):
And that doesn't mean that we know how it's gonna go,
but yeah, it's it's everybody.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
You wrote after the game about going into the locker
room and not a lot of defensive guys wanted to talk.
Some did, and you pointed that out. You reference there
being laughter in certain corners of the locker room. How
sharp of a departure was that on Sunday from other
similar low points with that side of the ball or
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even the other side of the ball since you've been
covering the team.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Uh, A decent amount. I mean, the the the lack
of fire and the lack of seriousness that you felt
over there. They just the guy, the people that you
did see or hear from felt sounded beaten down and demoralized.
And then you had a lot of young players who
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just didn't seem to think that they had any real
reason to care about certainly us not they not they
only anything that every time Like, no, this is not
about taking stock, right, But this is about that. It
is about comparing to what it looks like when teams
do pull out of it and not that right. So
my my thing is I felt like and I don't know,
(35:59):
like what with Chase Brown is kind of a separate
story that I I just I wanted to see where
are the players not just Sunday, during this entire downfall
of this defense. That sound like Jamar Chase, that sound
like Chase Brown. I don't care if your emotion comes
out right or wrong. I want to see it. Yes,
(36:22):
where is it where? That's what you usually get right
before it gets to the beaten down, demoralized portion of
the program. You usually see the like dude who wants
everyone to know this ain't me and I hate that
this is where we're at and we got to get
this and maybe they maybe, Man, these players only meetings
are just just tearing the paint off the wall. I don't,
(36:44):
you know whatever, I don't is there gonna be another one?
I mean, I feel like you just keep having bye week.
It was one thing that I that I was looking
for when I walked in the locker room today and
you know exactly what it was, punk table, ping pong table.
I said, no, it was nothing to change the ping
pong table. Maybe next Okay, after the bye week, after
a week of retrospection, they came back and said, we
(37:05):
think we've got it. Ping pong table. Right, Maybe that's
where they go next to it. I mean, but that's
my point is is I feel like you usually see
the blow up, the emotion, the like fire in the
form of some kind of weather. It's anger, even if
it's misplaced, or like guys getting at each other a
little bit more like there just really hasn't been hardly
(37:26):
any of that over there. It's just felt like a
went wrong again. Yeah, we missed the tackles and we
just got to keep working at it and we're gonna
get it right, and we're looking for leaders, and it's
just where's the fire?
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Where? Where? Where are seven guys on defense that sound
and look like Jamar Chase and Chase Brown and some
of the other people and and you know, it's just
it's not that that has to be the way out,
Like there's you want to be smarter and more constructive
in the way that you deal with your problems, but
(38:02):
it has to start with the true fire and want
to be better and feeling pushed and driven to just
not accept any of what's happening on your watch as
a player, and that just where is that where is
Like I'm not right, that just hasn't really existed yet
to this point. You want the defense to be as
(38:25):
angry as the offense seems to be.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
What I feel bad about, among a lot of things,
is because there's just so much stuff happening here. We
don't have enough time to examine the difference between the
quarterback ball and the kicking ball.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Oh I got to see them side by side too. Yeah,
they're like they're from different sports. It's unbelievable, right, how
different they are. I never would have thought that they
really were that different. It looks like if you put
a football next to a rugby ball or whatever. Yeah,
I mean it's they're totally different. They feel different, they
are shaped different, they're the leather, all of it is
(38:59):
like totally rougher and different. Yeah, it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
But the Bengals hosted demonstration for you so they can
make it.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, they showed me. They showed me the two side
by side.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Why why White cut the long snapper, touch it and
go huh? Does the scoring play call a time out?
Are you allowed to do that? I know they once
once the offenses on the field, they put the quarterback
ball in the field, they're not gonna swap out the ball,
but are you allowed to call it out the.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Discretion of the sideline referee? Weather Because they don't get this.
They don't want to be caught being the ones when
the CA ball has to come in to have to
toss it and want their like referee to be juggling
it and unable to get it. So they make it
their discretion whether they have to restart the play clock
or not. And the last thing they want have to
do is restart a play clock apparently no matter what.
(39:44):
So that includes like not running out there with the
ball and handing it to them or anything like that.
They just say, Nope, not gonna get the CA ball
in and they and they rule it off and you
have to go. You have to go play with it
and unless you unless you do stop the clock or whatever,
and like, uh, this happened with this happened with Tennessee. Yeah,
with this big part of Brian callihan situation. They took
(40:05):
a delay and had to kick a sixty two yard
to get the other ball in there. They're so different now.
The difference is way bigger this year than ever has been.
But I'm like, okay, So the referees don't want to
look dumb, so they make the kicker look dumb right
insteady like, you know, way more the coach look dumb
for having the offense on the field on fourth and
thirteen and then oh you know what, maybe we want
(40:25):
to kick here and that that whole thing was a mess. Yeah,
it was an absolute mess, right, but the bottom line
is like this should not be about this also should
not be about restarting the play clock, like look, get
the get the right ball is yes, you know, and
then to me, can you just have can can will
Wagner have the kick caball under his arm at all
times and be able to go run out there and
hand it to the official.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
He's that should the long you're on the field for
this one play. You have the ball and if you
can't bring the proper ball out then your team suffers
because of it.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
You will handle the CA ball. Yes, we solve this.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
The job job by us.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Wait again, but we're like out of time, But you
wanted to say something about that, Quinna Williamstrang.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
That's what I would have done if I were the Bengals. Yeah,
I would have traded Trey Hendrickson. Use the compensation you
get back from trading Trey Hendrickson to help fuel a
deal for a real player who's going to be here
for multiple years going forward, and help fix your pass
rush right now and for essentially the same amount of
money that you already have. Trey Hendrickson, Like, if you're
paying him right now, it could help you know you
(41:26):
you have that money available if you ever have done
an extension with him at one point, can you be
the de facto GM. I'll apply. We still come here
on Tuesdays, I'll be I'll be so accessible. I'm gonna
be at the bye week. Then forget the bye weekend.
After the season, every game, I'm here every Tuesday day
(41:47):
from three to four. Yeah, that's it. It's it's GM Tuesdays.
Your bosses will love GM. Yes, all right.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Tonight seven thirty special Live Growler podcast, Paul and Jay
talking about everything swirling around the team, the Logan Wilson trade,
a trade that may come in the next six minutes.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Bubbling general, bubbling, general, bubbling. Yeah, we guys have any
bubbling with you? We might, we might We need it
this season at this point I've never needed needed bubbles
in good by week for the bye weekn Yes, I
have right now? All right?
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Check that out tonight seven thirty YouTube and where you
get your podcasts and uh Repauldeathletic dot com. We're at
Oakley Greens. Paul, thank you so much, pleasure. I'm here
at all five thirty. We've got a lot of Bengal
stuff to get to. FC Cincinnati is getting set for Saturday.
Sasha question from MLS's a past. Apple TV is going
to join us in just about ten minutes on ESPN
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Speaker 3 (42:42):
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