12/15/25 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 2 (03:17):
Because I'm not sure many of the things we talk
about today are going to be that enjoyable. No, Tony,
that team yesterday did not quit, because to me, you
can only quit when you start that team from the
get go look checked out.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yep, it's the first time I have sincerely questioned them
playing hard for their coach. We could talk about many
things we'll talk about today. We could talk about scheme,
we could talk about their overall lack of preparation. It
felt like for any Blitz pickup. We could talk about

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players just having off days. No, we could talk about
a sixteen play drive while down seventeen points. But one
thing we've not done a lot on this show is
sincerely asked if this team is playing hard for their
head coach. If you're anyone that watches football on a

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weekly basis, be hard pressed to find anyone to tell
you that team yesterday looked like they were trying hard
and they got caught out by the Ravens After the
game for it, Yep, and rightfully, so that team looked
checked out. They looked ill prepared, It looked like their
mind was elsewhere. And if your mind is not one
hundred percent on what's happening in between those lines, you
are going to get pummeled like the Bengals were yesterday.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
And by the way, among those who look checked out
was Joe Burr.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
He's not exempt from this by any stretch. In fact,
he leads the conversation.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
But you're right.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
My my take on Zach Taylor has always been at
the very least, whether they've been two and fourteen, his
first year, a Super Bowl team, his third year coaching
the best team in the history of the franchise, leave
in twenty twenty two, coaching teams that were making last dash,

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you know, charges toward the postseason like the last two years,
or even an uneven season like this one. They've always
played hard. They've always looked into their jobs collectively. Maybe
certain individual players checked out. We talked about that a
little bit against Pittsburgh. But I've never watched him under
Zach Taylor thinking he's lost the team, or the efforts

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not there, or the focus isn't there, or the preparation
isn't there. From about five minutes into yesterday's game, I
felt that way.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
That's a problem.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know, Zach Taylor, we talk about play calling, and
we talk about what his role should be in the
function of the offense, and his role in decision making
and certain schematic decisions they make, and all that's up
for discussion. I've never thought Zach Taylor's team looks checked out.
It would have been one thing had they checked out
in the fourth quarter, and I certainly think they did.

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I felt like they were checked out five minutes into
the game in the.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
First quarter, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Yeah,
defense hung around eventually, just made some boneheaded mistakes, which
we'll again we'll dive into the x's and o's of it,
but just from a sheer effort standpoint, it was lacking. Yesterday.
You mentioned Joe Burrow. You and I were texting back
and forth yesterday. Made to mention bad day for Joe

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Burrow to pick his worst game as a Bengal coming
off what last week was the comments that he made. Yep,
extremely peculiar seeing him that disinterested on a field. Also,
I know we'll talk about the interceptions. First interceptions of
play that ninety nine percent of the time Jamar Chase
goes and catches that ball. He made no play on

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a ball that landed a foot in front of him
in the end zone. He dropped the ball and second
down that would have went for a big game on
a slant. Jamar Chase was not great yesterday either collectively
as an offense. I thought it was one of the
worst offensive line performances of the year. And we've given
the offensive line a ton of credit down the stretch.
I don't know what they're doing at running back mo

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Samaj p Ryan now gets more carries than Chase Brown.
I don't know what they're doing there.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
It is.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
It's so peculiar. And the Jamar Chase comments after the
game about Joe Burrow. Something's off there. This is just
right now from a storyline standpoint, pick where you want
to go, because it is a mess on all levels
right now.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, you use the word that I think applies. Something's off.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Something is off in the dynamic between the team Joe
Jamar something's missing, something is off. I'm not qualified to
say what it is, but I know what a team
looks like when it's frankly not giving it's all. I
know what a team looks like when it's not playing desperate.
I know what a team looks like when it's got

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one foot on the plane to vacation, like, I know
what that looks like. I've watched football for forty years.
I'm not an ex as an o's expert by any stretch.
I know body language, though, I know what it looks
like to me. The most striking moment of yesterday's game,
and I texted you about this fourth quarter, third down,
seventeen to nothing. The season is hanging by a thread.

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Because the game is hanging by a thread, Bengals have
the ball down three scores now. They've just given up
a two scorer lead on the road against Buffalo last week.
Down seventeen to nothing. Not easy by any stretch. It's
gonna be really hard, but it is doable. On a
third and eight play, on a play that started from

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Cincinnati's own thirty nine yard line, Joe Burrow scrambles right
and nobody's open and the field in front of him
is covered. And on a third down play, he just
sort of jogs out of bounds. Punt unit comes onto
the field, the Joe Burrow that I know that at
times gets accused of hero ball, trying to do too much.

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The Joe Burrow that I've watched for six and a
half or for five and a half seasons, doesn't just
jog out of bounds. He throws the ball downfield. Somebody
fit Jamar is down there, he'll go get it. He
finds a way, he takes on a tackler, he decides
to outrun a guy.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
That was the snapshot of the game.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And to me, that was a snapshot of this Joe
Burrow thing where it's seventeen zip. It's not the first quarter,
midway through the third against a team that could be
pretty good at running out the clock against you. You're
running out of opportunities, you're running out of possessions, you're
running out of weeks in which you can win, and
the quarterback just jogs out of bounds.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, like that.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
To me, that was the snapshot white flag. That was
a white flag.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
That was a snapshot of a player who is there's
something off, something ain't right.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
That ain't the Joe Burrow that I know.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Here's my worrisome part. I can speak to this as
a football player at that level. If you are not
one hundred percent mentally there, that's what it looks like. Yeah,
that to me, that was what it looked like yesterday. Yeah,
being off on some throws, missing some checks. They come
out time out and he takes a terrible sack when
they're in field goal range. The interception down in the

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red zone, the pick six where he just threw the
ball up. I got news for that was that was
a one on one to Jamar Chase. If they run
that play one hundred times, Joe burrought those one on
one to Jamar Chase ninety nine times. Why throw it
up in the middle of the field like he did. Mentally,
that to me looked like a guy that wasn't checked
into the game itself. That there is something else going on,

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whether it's with the team, whether it's his personal life.
Something is going on with number nine, because the play
we saw yesterday does not match the guy we saw
the week before in Buffalo. You mentioned, you know a
little bit of pep in the step they went down
last week, and they went right down the field in
a couple plays and scored a touchdown to get the
ball back against the Buffalo Bills. You mentioned the third
quarter Mo expand on into the fourth quarter, where the

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Ravens did not touch the ball in the fourth quarter
until there was two minutes and two seconds left on
the clock. The Wrangles ran twenty seventh place twenty seven
plays and took thirteen minutes off the clockinghead zero to
show for it. I don't care if you're dinking and
duncan taking thirty seconds in between plays. Yeah, they waved
the white flag and the third quarter on running the ball,

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running the ball, couldn't pick up a fourth in inches
when the other team was like, hey, we just don't
want to get beat for a touchdown. You couldn't pick
up a fourth in inches. The team rolled over and quit.
The team wasn't mentally checked in. Blame Joe Burrow, yes,
Blame Jamar Chase. Yes, you also blame the head coach
because his team wasn't ready to play.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
And I've seen Joe play poorly. I've seen him have
bad games. They happen. I can name them for you.
Pittsburgh years three, when he throws four picks, turns it
over five times, Cleveland with the Cavs season opener New
England last year. Like, I've seen him play bad games
I've seen him play games where I go, you know what,
they lost, and quarterback play is the main reason why

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I have never seen him play and thought to myself,
he mentally ain't there.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I've seen him and gone physically he's not one hundred percent.
I've watched him and gone, you know what, he's not
quite comfortable. I've watched him and thought, you know what,
maybe he needs more preseason reps. Yesterday was the first
time that I thought, and it would be alarming if
it occurred last week. The fact that it occurred after
what he said on Wednesday. Again, it's if your reaction

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on Wednesday was Joe Burrow's being a baby, Joe Boils
a brat, or Joe Burrow's a brat, Joe Burrow's being spoiled,
he should shut up and collect his paycheck. Well, then
Sunday was the absolute worst set of circumstances for him.
Is an awful weekend to have a bad game. I
don't feel that way about Joe Burrow, but that performance
on Sunday, not only was it bad, it was reflective

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of somebody who is going through something, whether it's a
disconnect with the franchise, whether it's something in his personal life.
I do not know, but I've never seen that version
of Joe Burrow before.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
I don't know, And I hope he's getting help for it.
I hope that the resources are there for because Mo,
you and I we talked before the game yesterday. He's
the most calculated individual I've known.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
He says things for a reason. Wednesday was not random. No, no,
I cannot be led to believe that after Wednesday randomly
he has his worst game. There is a severe disconnect.
And by the way, if you haven't yet, go listen
to Jamar Chase talk about Joe Burrow after the game
in a way of maybe I need to check on him,
maybe I need to do more to help him. This

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is not the number nine were accustomed to scene in Cincinnati.
That was evident Wednesday, and it was fully evident on
display yesterday.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Eighteen for three o'clock. By the way, Zach Taylor's press
conference will carry at the end of the show. He
did say to reporters just a short while ago that
the plan is for Joe to play all three remaining
games Bengals and Dolphins on Sunday at one o'clock in Miami,
so Joe Burrow is expected to play that one, as
well as the final two games at home against Arizona

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and Cleveland. There is obviously a lot of ground for
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destroy him. Tomorrow night, we're at Twin Peaks in Florence,
Tony and Mo Football Show. We'll get into some of
the nuts and bolts of the game. To what degree
we should the Joe Burrow thing? And let's be honest,
that is going to be.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
He is going to be the.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Object around which most discussions take place this afternoon and
probably for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
But I just put myself in his shoes.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Man, if you're Joe Burrow, you have to constantly be
asking can I win here? And, by the way, I
think that's true for most great quarterbacks in this league.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Can I win here?

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Joe Burrow would not be the first quarterback to ask
that question, and maybe, and hopefully the answer is yes.
There is a long list of players, a long list
of players who have played for the Bengals and have
gotten to a point where they say I don't want
to be here.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
There's a long list of players who have expressed frustration
with ownership. There's a long list of players who, for
one reason or another.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Have asked for a trade.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
So I know, I know are a lot of fans
that this current Joe Burrow thing, it makes them uncomfortable
it makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Losing is uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I wish to God this team was in the hunt,
legitimately in the hunt, and we're talking about Joe Burrow
having a chance to win a ring in the absence
of that. I don't know how as uncomfortable as this
may make you. And I'm man, I've heard from so
many folks social media and otherwise who think everybody's blowing
this out of proportion. People are making too big a

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deal out of this, and maybe everybody is. But I
guess my thing would be if you just want to
pretend that everything's fine and that there's no chance that
Joe Burrow is asking himself critical questions about his employer,
what would make him different from so many that have
come before him who have either asked for trades, expressed frustration,

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publicly expressed frustration, or who have reached a point where
they decide, I don't want to play for the Cincinnati
Bengals anymore.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
What would make Joe Burrow any different?

Speaker 4 (17:58):
He's not any different, you know, you have to question.
I just think about the athlete side of it, the competitors.
What's you want to do the most win super Bowls?
All cares about, cares about. Yes, that's how he that's
how he views himself. And last year he could have
been the MVP of the league if this team had
been built around him. That season got wasted. Think about

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you asked the question that he internally goes with, can
I win here? I think the even harder one is,
am I ever gonna have to? Am I ever gonna
be able to play here and not be perfect? How
stressful that is for a person, Like every single game
you go into, not to be good, not to be great,
You've got to be perfect. That is exhausting, That is
putting so much pressure on yourself. That is as you

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mentioned hero ball that everyone talks about. With Joe Burrow,
he feels that if he's not perfect, they can't win.
Look at the offensive line. Go back to the offensive
line in the super Bowl and who that was compiled of.
He's done more with less than any quarterback I can remember. Now,
that's not just personnel. That's coaching. In my opinion, can

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I win? Do I have to be perfect? And I
think the perfect side outweighs the rest because I can't
imagine taking the field every single game and thinking to
myself like if I'm not perfect today, we don't have
a chance. That's what he's doing. Look at the games
they've lost in his tenure in Cincinnati. Yes, there have

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been games where he's played bad. Never a game where
he looked mentally out of it like yesterday. That's my concern.
Wednesday we saw a crack. Yesterday, we saw a crack.
The weight of a franchise to say we not only
need you, but we need you to be perfect every
single snap. It's exhausting. Yeah, and right that to me

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is extremely worrisome.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
And if the conversation about Joe Burrow and his future
and what he may or may not be thinking bothers you,
there's only one solution to this. When the Bengals were
a playoff team in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two,
nobody was talking about Joe Burrow being ruined by the Bengals.
Nobody was talking about how he one day is gonna
orchestrate his exit. Nobody was doing any of that. All

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we were doing was talking about how much are they
gonna pay him? You know, what's his contract? His long
term contract going to look like? With losing comes uncomfortable
moments uncomfortable conversations, like the conversations about who the next
head coach should be. That's an uncomfortable conversation. It's a
byproduct of losing. The conversation about who should be in
charge of the roster next year and beyond. That's an

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uncomfortable conversation for Duke Tobin or apologists of Duke Tobin
off distraction, But they they come with those questions come
with losing. Uncomfortable questions and conversations a company losing. The
Bengals have one player who matters above and beyond anybody else.
That's all apologies to Jamar Chase t Higgins, Chase Brown,

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Miles Murphy, anybody else. Dj Turner, who had a ball
hit him in the face yesterday. Like he is the
meal ticket, he is the face of this franchise, three
consecutive years of not winning. You mean to tell me,
you mean to tell me it's It's not a discussion
as to whether or not he's looking at his football mortality,

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whether or not he's looking at his peers around the league,
whether or not he's looking at what he has done
in this league and what he still wants to do,
and isn't thinking about okay, short and long term? Can
I win here? Do I have to be perfect? And
if you want these conversations to go away, then have

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the team be better around him next season, win with
him next season. Don't waste his best efforts next season,
and those conversations will go away.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
They've already wasted an MVP yere and like, you're not
a competitor if you're not gauging everybody else. Of course,
Lamar's won Mvpece Mahomes has won super Bowls. I know
they're down this year, but you're not judging yourself there
because he's won them. If I'm Joe Burrow, I'm looking
at josh Adam like how are they doing it? Uh huh?
Or they've made the steps necessary to be successful. If
I'm Joe Burrow, I look at like Seattle, like Sam

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Darno could throw four picks in a game and it
doesn't matter because their defense is so good. They built
around him. Look at the team you played in the
Super Bowl who mortgaged everything to win a Super Bowl
and they are already back quicker than you. What's Matthew
Stafford have around him? Or they moved on from Cooper
Cup and they bring in Devonte Adams, They've got pookin Nakua,
They've drafted well Kyron Williams. Their defense is a legitimate
Super Bowl contender. If I'm Joe Burrow, I'm looking around

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and I'm like, well, Lamar's got some MVPs, Mahomes has
some titles. Josh Allen got an MVP. Now he's the
leader right now in the AFC. Here come the Patriots,
Here come all these other teams. What are we doing?
And again, like dan Orlofski said a lot last week, yes,
one of the things that dan Orlofski said was I
think we're now near. We're closer to the end of

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Joe Burrow in Cincinnati than the Super Bowl Joe Burrow.
That's true because right now they don't feel like a
super Bowl contender, and they don't feel like they're getting close.
And if I'm Joe Burrow and I'm like, I got
all this on my back, and yet I'm watching all
these other teams that also pay big money to a
quarterback or also pay star players successfully build rosters around
each other, then I'm gonna be frustrated as well. And

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I'm mentally going to be frustrated, especially when I bust
my ass to come back from an injury, I'm busting
tail too. I can come back and be with these guys,
and I can celebrate with my team on Thanksgiving Night
and watch the whole team emotionally around me, Only for
this to be the outcome. Heck, Gay's pissed emotionally, He's
out of it. Mentally, He's out of it, and he

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should be if he's watching everyone else in the NFL losing?

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Where's you out?

Speaker 4 (23:40):
When are you gonna like? If I'm Joe, when am
I gonna get mine? When's it my time? And that
feels further away now than ever?

Speaker 3 (23:47):
I'm sure for him, how could it not? Like the question?
You know, folks ask, was he gonna do it? Andrew
Luck did and retire in what should be the prime
of his career and stun everybody. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Is he going to do what Carson Palmer did and
put a gun to the Bengals and say I'll retire
if you don't trade me.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I don't know the problem is if you ask, the.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Bengal's going to win a title between now In twenty
twenty nine, the last year of his contract, the question
is either I don't know or no, you don't feel
good about that answer.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
And because the answer is I don't know to the
first two questions you asked, as an organization, you better
operate as if the answer.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Could be yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
I don't need it to be cut and dry. But
if there's any shadow of a doubt that he could
put a gun to your head and say get me
out of here, if he could say I'm done, then
you better start acting accordingly.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Well. And we both talked about this last week. You
discussed it today with Austin. I'll bring it up today.
Like my take with this whole thing has been, don't
tempt eight. Yeah, if a year from now.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
The Bengals are what have they played fourteen games and
they're four and ten? Again, what do you think, Joe?
What do you think Joe's demeanor is going to be
at some point next year? Do you think he's gonna
say when he's asked about his football mortality or his confidence?
And he did say a lot of the correct things yesterday,
and you know it, I hate to put it this way.

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It helped that he played as poorly as he did,
and he was awful.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
But if you think this is.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Manufactured, This is a media creation, This is something that
people are acting irresponsible with. Okay, fine, let's see what
it sounds like if they're four and ten again next year.
And let's see what it sounds like if he's back
at the surgeon's table.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
I want my quarterback to be like that. Yes, If
my quarterback at four and ten is just like, hey,
we'll get back to work this week and we'll go
attack next week, then I don't want that. I want
the uber competitive, wanting to win guy. I also want
a guy. And again, we've had these conversations before multiple times.
Yesterday he took borderline cheap shots. Any lineman run over
there and get a fifteen yards?

Speaker 8 (25:51):
No?

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Did his coach show any emotion?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
None.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
If I'm watching that, I'm looking around like anybody, anybody
want to help me out?

Speaker 8 (26:00):
M hm.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Probably feels pretty helpless as is. And again, you and
I had these conversations before. I watched him get put
on his back multiple times yesterday. Didn't see anyone going
over there to start a fight. Didn't see anyone going
over there say hey, we're not doing that, you're not
hitting my guy. Didn't see the head coach and the
offensive coordinator screaming at the ref saying what are we
doing here? Just kind of solid status quo, that stuff

(26:24):
all all wrapped in, all warped into one. All of
this goes into to Joe Burrow's frustrations.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
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fifteen thirty. Was not in a position to make any
proclamations about any of the other players, including t Higgins,
who obviously did not play yesterday. Patrick Mahomes reportedly has
avoided major damage to the rest of his knee after
tearing his ACL yesterday. The Chiefs eliminated from postseason contention
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(28:07):
hosting the Dolphins. That game is on ESPN fifteen thirty.
College Football.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
You see quarterback Brendan Soresby probably not gonna be You
see quarterback Brendan Soarsby much longer. He is putting his
name in the transfer portal.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
We'll spend some time on that a little bit later
on The Mark Pope Radio Show is tonight at six
on ESPN fifteen thirty. The Richard Patino Radio Show is
tonight at seven on fifty five KRC. Coach Patino joins
US coming up at five five. Kentucky and the Miami
Radhawks both got votes in the AP Top twenty five

(28:42):
Men's College Basketball poll. Miami got four, Kentucky got nineteen,
Indiana four after the Wildcats beat them on Saturday night.
One other UC football note, Evan tengas Doll named third
team AP All American, had an excellent season on a
very good Bearcats offensive line.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Good weekend Xavier, Louisville, Miami, uk nk U Dayton all
one on the college basketball slate, and Adolas Garcia got
at one year ten million dollars from the Phillies, OH
power hitter position of need Reds.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
When does the offseason begin for the Reds.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
It's ended. They weren't on Kyle Schwarber. Offseason has ended.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
When we were, you know, we were broadcasting from the
Holy Grail yesterday, and I didn't point this out to
either you or Ken because the first I thought it
was Ken's Uber driver. But there was a gentleman standing
outside the ballpark and had a like a Reds team
employee badge. Yeah, holding a bucket if anybody wanted to
throw throw some money.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
At the time of the year, one of.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Those Salvation Army kettles h red Kettle campaign for Reds
free agents.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
I do I do this was asked to me, and
I'll ask you outside of the job Richard Patino has
done to turn things around for Xavier right now, I
still don't know at the end of the year of
Xavier's an NCAA tournament team. If you think of where
you see is where the Reds currently are, where the are?
Where do you rate this from a stretch point of

(30:04):
the lows? I mean, twenty twenty two feels like decades
ago where we're talking about U see college Football playoff,
Bengals super Bowl, you know, Reds. I thought had some
pieces in place that we're gonna start making some noise.
It feels like a decade ago. So like I have
friends in my life, family members that are die hard

(30:27):
Cincinnati sports fans, yes, and they are struggling.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, So you know for me, you know, you see
basketball is number one, and I think it is for
you as well, yes, the last few weeks have been
extraordinarily disheartening.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
I don't know the last time I have felt this
low on UC basketball.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
You see football losing the final four games. I didn't
expect a Big Twelve title. I expected a win in November,
didn't get it. I didn't believe the Reds were gonna
land Kyle Schwarber, but I was hoping by now it
would feel like there was a sense of urgency to
make the team better.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
They didn't land him, and then the open honesty about, yeah,
we were gonna do him because he's a hometown guy.
We're not gonna get anybody else.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
And then the way things have unfolded with the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
And like I get people always bring up like, well,
the dark times. I get that, But during those times,
was it Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase on the roster? No,
like where you're talking about the best at their position
in the league arguably, Yeah, where it feels like they're
just being wasted and we're in this purgatory right now.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, Like, this isn't the mid twenty tens with the
Reds where they're losing ninety four to ninety five games.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Like I actually think they have a chance.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
To be Okay, it feels like I have a higher
opinion of them than they do. Right, the Bengals have
wasted three years of a legitimate A list or at quarterback.
You see football feels like it's stuck in quicksand and
you see basketball and I hate to say this, it
feels like it's going backwards. Now, those are the teams

(32:02):
I care about most. I'll fold Xavier into the conversation,
and I think if you're a Musketeers fan, I don't
think they're an NCAA tournament team, but there's more winnable
games in the Big East, and you look at that
coach and you're like, all right, we upgrade the talent,
like we'll be fine. And that's nothing against the players
who are playing, because you know Philip Orr of eachen
In and we saw what Trey Carroll did against Ucee.

(32:23):
Like some of those guys have gotten better and evolved
very nicely into roles. But I think if you're a
Xavier fan, you feel like we got our guy, like
we got our guy and if they get dudes, And
I know money is reportedly a little bit of an
issue there, but like you got your guy right man.
For the teams we care about most, it's hard, but
you are more than welcome Tomorrow night. I'll give you

(32:45):
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nineteen ninety.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Nine well tuned in at the podcast, Hold, we will
be tuned in.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
A couple of things. We always talked about the AFC North. Obviously,
Pittsburgh plays tonight. Did the Baltimore Ravens if you were
out on Baltimore before yesterday? Are you in on them
after yesterday's game? They were sort of an accessory to
the game yesterday.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, I don't think they did anything great defensively. Bengalsaid
no answer for pressure, which is shocking to me. Went
into the game, yes, and I said, what played the
team sixteen days ago? It's an AFC North opponent. This
game will come down to adjustments and scheme and coaching.
And I thought the Bengals didn't have enough answers yesterday.
But no, I don't look at that that way. I

(33:35):
was asking, like, as a Bengal fan, Yeah, do I
want to see Pittsburgh or Baltimore getting the playoffs. I'd
rather see Pittsburgh because I don't think they can make
a run. Yes, with the teams that will be in
right now in the AFC, I could see Baltimore getting
hot at the right time.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
I could see Lamar turning into Superman for a game
or two.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Still I don't see that in Pittsburgh. So let Pittsburgh
get in lose in the first round. But no, I don't.
I don't see it with the Baltimore Ravens. I see
it a little more than I do with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
But you think Pittsburgh wins tonight, Yeah, I do too
to I mean the weather. He's never won a game
in under what fifty degree weather? He's not gonna win one,

(34:13):
probably in Pittsburgh tonight. I was a little surprised at
how bad the Browns performed defensively.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
I thought they were going to cover the number in
that game.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
But I think that's more credit to what Ben Johnson
is doing in year one with Caleb Williams and that team.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Who plays in a playoff game next the Bengals or
the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Chiefs, they'll get my homes back next year, they'll retool.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
If you had to pick one team to win the
AFC this year, who would it be Buffalo?

Speaker 4 (34:39):
I think Buffalo. Yesterday coming back from twenty one points down,
I think they showed a lot that of how they
can do it. And they're very much now back in
their division race. They still have a lot to play for.
You know, a lot of my decisions are based on
quarterback play, and they've got one of the best ones
on the planet right now.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
How close to the on upper crust of quarterback as
Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
He's getting closer with every week. My goodness, five touchdowns yesterday.
Liam Cohen seems to have figured it out. They've They've
utilized etn in a way that I always was wondering.
He's a pass catcher as well. He was great for
them in that role yesterday. It's it's the best or
one of the best rush defenses in the NFL right now.

(35:23):
If I'm in the AFC, Jacksonville and Houston missed me
on either one of them.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I love watching the Texans play, and C. J. Sprout
was good yesterday.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
He's getting better with each start. Nico, they finally realized, like, hey,
we get Nico Collins still the Higgins, their rookie wide receiver.
I think they hit on the running back situation. It's
kind of by committee right now. Offensive line I don't
think is still there, but you won't talk about a
championship defense. They got that in every every bit more.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
How close to the upper tier of quarterbacks is Philip Rivers?

Speaker 4 (35:55):
He's not very close. Somehow managed to put up a
lot more points than the Bengals did yesterday on a
road against a very good team in Seattle. How worried
are you about Trey McBride coming to Cincinnati in a
few weeks The NFL leader the game doesn't matter, but
the NFL leader in receptions right now as a tight end.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I had Trey McBride in fantasy, but I didn't make
the playoffs, and that's championship weekend and so and I've
been playing for the championship. I feel really good about
having Trey McBride.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
My daily fantasy is going to be like eleven thousand
dollars when they play the Bengals, and he's doing incredible things.
Let's discuss your stafford.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
It's probably Stafford, but I think Allen's going to make
a late charge in winning. Okay, but it's Stafford for now.
You know, for two weeks I thought it was gonna
be Jonathan Taylor. That's obviously not gonna happen. Drake May
you know, if New England doesn't blow that lead yesterday,
maybe it's a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
But I'm back on the Rams bandwagon.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I'm back. And you know you said it before. You
You've emphasized this. When the Rams won that Super Bowl,
it was Man, They're gonna stink forever. They had one
down year when five and.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
The sacrificed all their draft picks.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yep, let's talk about what some current and former NFL
players had to say about the Bengals yesterday. When we
come back. Tony and Mo Football Show twin Peaks in
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Speaker 3 (39:20):
Or of the Tony and Mo Football Show.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
We're at Twin Peaks in Florence here till six o'clock
day after the Bengals no showed against the Baltimore Ravens.
If you haven't been to Twin Peaks, we've been doing
the show here for six years. What on earth have
you been waiting for? We love the staff, We love
the food, love the beer, love the bourbon, love the location.
We're in Florence this week and next We're back in

(39:43):
Westchester for the show on the twenty ninth, and then
we come back to Florence for unfortunately, the season finale
on January the fifth, so we have four to go tone.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
We confirm, we can confirm that is the finale.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
That unfortunately will be the finale.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Are we doing anything next week for the Christmas show?
What would you like to do I don't know the
cookies or sure, I don't know. I'll bring some cookies
in gift exchange. They would do a gift to any Bourbon.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Gift exchange where people bring us gifts and we exchange
our thanks, knowledge and thanks. We talked about the game
and a lot of the subsequent storylines coming out of
the game. I don't want to spend a ton of
time on this, but it was a story yesterday how
the Bengals handled the snowy seats.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Yeah, what's your take? I thought it was weak. I
thought it was You put it out there as well.
They did the bare minimum of what was required. And
my I view it as an experience. That's what you're
trying to sell. You're selling an experience. And the unfortunate

(40:54):
part with this team right now is the on field
experience isn't very good. So if you want people to
come back, then the experience needs to push them to
want to do that. It wasn't like folks were getting
to their seats yesterday and just having to to dust
off a you know, a half inch of snow. A
lot of folks were having to go through ice, you know.

(41:15):
Austin talked earlier on the show about having to use
keys or credit cards or shoes to break ice off
of the seats like that. To me, it wasn't like
the snowstorm snuck up on anybody. You knew what the
weather was going to be. It to me, sours a
fan base that's already agitated, already upset, and I think

(41:37):
it's I think it's to an extent disrespectful to a
fan base who, let's call it what it is. When
you've won four games, it's not easy for fans to
want to go to games. It's also not easy when
it's when it's under ten degrees outside. And the fans
that went there yesterday should have been rewarded with some
type of experience. Instead, it was an experience of Wow,
I've got to clean this now, all out of my chair,

(41:59):
my seat.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
My first job was at a restaurant in Covington, the
Beal Street Cafe, owned by a guy named Tommy Beal,
and I remember listening to him talk about the fact
that rule number one was we'd never take our.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Customers for granted.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Right, Yes, the bare minimum is show up, give them
a menu, take their order, bring them a plate of food.
I want these people to want to come back. I
want these people to want to come back, even if
you know what, the meal they had wasn't the best,
because I want them to have such a good experience
that you go, you know what, I'll try something else.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I'm not going to take these people for granted.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
The number one thing I've always tried to carry with
me as a radio host, say what you want about
whatever weakness is or deficiencies I have, and I have
many always tried to keep in mind, you never take
your audience for granted. You never take your customers for granted.
I thought yesterday the Bengals took their customers for granted.
I think by the letter of what the NFL asks,

(42:57):
they fulfilled their requirement. I don't think anybody say he
was put in jeopardy. I don't think anybody was like
put in harm's way. But to me, you have a choice.
You can decide we're gonna do what's required, or we're
gonna go above and beyond. We're gonna go above and
beyond and ensure that people have the most comfortable experience possible.

(43:18):
We want to send a message, hey, look the snowstorm hit,
but our team hasn't been very good.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
This year.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
We're in the single digits. Wind chills are below zero.
There's some built in discomfort to come into this game.
We're not gonna make it any more uncomfortable, and so
we're gonna go above and beyond. They had a choice,
they chose not to. You may think that's okay. I
certainly understand. There's plenty of boot lickers out there who
think the Bengals do no wrong who will tell you,

(43:46):
I know, a big deal, it's football.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
What okay?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
From my perspective, you don't take your customers for granted.
If people have decided to spend their hard earned money
with you and invest their time.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
With you, and those.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Two things are different but similar. You do not you
go above and beyond for them. You do everything you
can for them. And the Bengals didn't do that yesterday,
and so whatever fallout they get, they deserve.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Again. You may not care.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
You may have gone to the game yesterday and had
no issue with snow being on your seat. That is
totally fine, But that was an opportunity yesterday for the
Bengals to go you know what, can't thank you enough
for coming to this game. We're gonna do everything we
can to ensure the best possible experience, and that is
as simple as cleaning snow and ice off seats.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Especially when other stadiums across the country did. Yeah, now,
it wasn't as cold as a freezer bowl yesterday, so
let's not get out of hand.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Exactly exactly, of.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Course, you know, I equate it to similar like if
I you come to a restaurant and you sit down
and your table's dirty? Yeah, are you expected to clean
that table off and then go through the meal like
it's normal and want to come back. It's the same
thing yesterday. You get there and you have to be
the one that gets your seat ready, Yeah, to watch

(44:58):
a game. And again, it's one thing if it's a
dustiness snow and it's one wipe and I'm good to go.
It's ice, it's snow, and it was expected. You knew
what the forecast was going to be. And let's let's
face it, when you pair that with the product on
the field. Right, again, you don't want to take people
for granted because there's people that might have that might
have been their only game they saw all year. Yeah,

(45:19):
like I don't know what am I going to come
back here?

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Right?

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Like, that's what's on the field, and this is what
was off the field. What are we doing? It's just
like you said, don't you can't take for granted the lengths.
It's not cheap to go to these games.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
The weather was not conducive yesterday and the team on
the field is not very good. Yeah, and you still
had people that said, Okay, I'm gonna go down and
support this organization, support this team and the players, and
that's what they were welcomed with.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Well, So I don't think the Bengals broke any rules. Nope,
I don't think the Bengals are gonna get fined. Don't
necessarily think the Bengals should be fine. But as a
human being, as one who appreciates somebody who goes above
and beyond, somebody who has trying to go above and beyond,
like I just I think yesterday was an example of
taking your customers for granted. There could have been a

(46:06):
plan in place to remove some of the snow. There
could have been a plan in place to ensure that
the people who came felt as welcome and were made
as comfortable as possible.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
And it wasn't like the snow stopped at eleven am.
It was done by seven or eight o'clock. The snow
was done, so you had all night all morning leading
up to the game to get that in a better shape.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Well.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
As a result of this, former Bengal Zach Moss saw
this story and chimed in on social media, where he
referred to it as the worst franchise in sports.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Okay, well, thank you, Zach. Time here in Cincinnati was
one of the worst.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
I'm not entirely convinced Zach isn't grinding an axe. Sure,
and I think that criticism is a little extreme. And
I will tell you as a season ticket holder, and
I did not go to the game yesterday because my
daughter had a basketball game, but I certainly have seen
plenty of instances where I felt like a member of

(47:11):
stadium personnel has.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Gone above and beyond for somebody.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, and we'll certainly point out publicly when it happens.
But I thought, as a general rule, yesterday the Bengals
had a chance to go above and beyond.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
They chose not to.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
And again, you may not fault them for that, but
when you choose to not go above and beyond, you
get whatever you have coming.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Correct and again you paired that with the product on
the field. That's tough. Yeah, it's a tough day.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I've got pole questions I want you to weigh in on.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
And then we have to talk about what Draymond Jones
said about the Bengals on field performance yesterday. And I
do have two bright spots oh in an otherwise dismal
and dark day for the Bengals. We have to talk
about It's a seventeen minutes after four o'clock. We're at
Twin Peaks in Florence where they always go above and
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Are you ready to answer yes? Question number one? Yesterday,
both the Bengals and Chiefs were officially eliminated from the
playoffs Kansas City with a loss of the Chargers. A
Chargers defense that was terrific yesterday against a Chiefs team
where nobody can ever get open, and unfortunately Patrick Mahomes

(49:33):
suffered a season ending ACL tear, but The Chiefs dynasty
ends they don't make the postseason. The Bengals dynasty also ended.
They missed the playoffs eliminated yesterday. Which team will play
in a playoff game next, Kansas City or Cincinnati?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Kansas City sixty six percent of folks agree.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
With you where they now? One in seven and one
score games this year. Yep, Water will find the level
and it has in Kansas City this year. Yeah, I'm
sure they will retool, regroup, and uh and be right
back where they need to be. Although how long has
any Reid in it now?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
So Andy Reid is sixty eight. I believe there's.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Been rumblings in the last couple of years of how
much longer he's got I don't I don't know for sure.
I don't think Travis will go again. Maybe with how
this ended, they want to go one more time, but
it could be interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Zach Taylor says, Joe Burrow is going to play the
last three games.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
What should they do with him? Play them or sit them?

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Sit them?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Fifty two point six percent agree.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
By the way, Jayden Daniels just got sat down for
the Commanders. Now he's healthy, but has gone through some injuries.
They're not playing for anything. They've sat him down too risky.
So I watched Parsons, I watched Mahomes tear the RACL yesterday.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, in games that counted Parsons for a playoff team
and Patrick Mahomes at least in a game where they
were trying to keep their playoff hopes alive. I'm just
I'm watching. I'm watching the highlights of the Chiefs game yesterday.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I don't believe in Jinx's so I'm comfortable saying this.
Bengals play the Dolphins on Sunday in a game that
doesn't matter at all for Cincinnati. Can you imagine what
it would look like watching Joe Burrow come off the
field the way Patrick Mahomes did yesterday?

Speaker 4 (51:21):
And not only that, Like we talked at the top
of the show, the mental state of Joe Burrow. If
you're not one hundred percent locked in mentally, what happens
miss checks, misprotections? Did that happen with Burrow yesterday? Took
some hits because of it. Are you willing to risk
that if he's not one hundred percent mentally there? We

(51:42):
don't know what's going on right now with Joe Burrow.
He doesn't look one hundred percent. Are you willing to
risk that to run him out there in a game
that means nothing?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I am not.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Yeah, that's too much.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Third and final, Paul question, what is your level of
confidence that the Bengals will win a Super Bowl by
the end of the twenty twenty nine season. Oh four choices, Okay,
plan the parade now, marginally confident, I have doubts or
l O l O l O l O l O

(52:13):
l O l no.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
I'll say I have doubts. And the only reason I
don't say l O l O l O l O
l O l O l O l O is because
they still have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. Yeah, that's
the only reason. But I have doubts about everything else.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
I have doubts. I have doubts.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Who's the leader in the clubhouse on that one?

Speaker 3 (52:34):
L O l O l O l O l O
l O no.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Thirty forty eight point three percent say no, thirty six
percent say I have doubts, eleven point seven percent marginally confident.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Four percent say play the parade now.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Joe Burrow yesterday was a hit ten times. In Sack three,
I'm good like uh.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Like that game counted. Joe didn't play like it did,
but that game counted.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
And hit after the play a couple other times. I'm good.
I don't need to see that again. I don't need
to see anymore.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
How about the comments from Baltimore defensive tackle Draymond Jones,
who set after the victory, quote, we didn't really discuss
the fact that they had zero points. I think we
wanted to attack. We knew we had them on their
heels just by how they were calling it, how they looked,
their demeanor. They didn't feel lively to me, and I

(53:26):
feel like we wanted to attack.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
And then he said.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
This quote, I felt like they weren't ready to play.
It was too cold for them.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
I mean, unfortunately, it's hard to argue with any of
those comments because of how the game unfolded.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I think he's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
It's pretty accurate.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I mean, that's not like dude on winning team talking trash.
That is a reasonable and I think the objective assessment
of what the Bengals were yesterday.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
I don't have problems with players talking trash because the
beautiful thing about sports is you get four quarters before
that to allow them to not talk trash. They want
to talk after they beat you, and they beat you
in the manna that they did yesterday. Go ahead, they
earned it.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Want some bright spots please. Miles Murphy playing well. Two sacks,
three quarterback hits.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Miles Murphy's playing well.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I'll stop short of saying, God, you know what, he's
turning into a good pick.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
But the tide well down the stretch last year.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
But he is.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, he has turned the corner this year that I
think you are starting to look at him as a
guy that you go, Okay, they're gonna build around him
so to speak. Maybe not, but you won him a
part of the equation next year. Yes, Dimitrius Knight played
a nice game.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yeah, I thought it was his best game. Yeah as
a Bengal It he popped more on the screen yesterday.
Yeah for positive things, Yeah, than I've seen in a
game this year.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
He looked like a quality NFL linebacker yesterday. Time will tell.
I guess if that's one off. But he's a guy
that we've been up and he has deserved it. But
I thought yesterday he was really good. The offensive line
over the last month.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Jordan was okay. Jordan Badle played well. He did.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah, you know, you and I were laughing at well
that we held him to three points in the second half.
That game was as low scoring as it was because
the Bengals ran up the clock the second half.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
That Baltimore had. The only possession of the fourth quarter
was kneel downs with two minutes left in the clock.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Cincinnati ran seventy one plays, Baltimore forty. Bengals had the
ball for forty minutes.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
They played like a team with the lead. Yes, and
it's not the first time we've talked about that this year. Yes,
the lack of urgency.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Don't get mad at me. They played like you guys
in the Sugar Bowl, right, but then all seriousness, it
was thirty eight to three, yep, and you guys were
like the rock, let's.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Let's because we were told to a halftime, right.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Let's get out of here and not subject to ourselves
to a larger beat down.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
And you made the game respectable.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Sure, sure, but like in the second and half, that's
what you guys did, And that's what the Bengals did yesterday.
They ran out the clock down by seventeen.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
That were doing thirty five. They were down three scores
and last week. They just scored quickly down the stretch
against Buffalo to get back in the game.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
It looked like a team that was winning by forty
or a team that was playing a preseason game like that.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Lot of stuff that.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Look you, if you didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Know what the score was, and you didn't know the
circumstances around the game, and you were just watching the
Bengals operate their offense in the second half, you would
think they were winning decisively, or you would think the
game didn't count, correct.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Didn't matter. I thought. I thought as much credit as
we've given them as of late, I thought it was
the offensive line worst game collectively and quite some time.
They were ill prepared somehow for pressures. And I don't
get this. This in the first time we've said this
this year either what's the planet running back?

Speaker 3 (56:50):
It's weird, man, It saysn't the first.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Time that they're They're splitting reps at running back now, right,
And I don't understand it. It's weird of all this
high praise. And I think p is a great professional.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Yeah, Claudy's on the team.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Should he be getting more carries in a meaningful game
than Chase Brown?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
No?

Speaker 4 (57:07):
I agree no like.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Some ajp Ryan, but no, absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
That was one of the more demoralizing plays in the
fourth quarter. Fourth in inches. Defense just doesn't want to
get beat deep. Yeah, you can't get a fourth in inches? Yeah,
with him all over not necessarily giving it to you,
But yeah, they're not. They're not crowding the line with eleven.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
More than conten for you to get your first down.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Keep the clock going, take more clock.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Jamorrison of Bengals Talk dot Com reports the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Have made history.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
The time of possession of thirty nine minutes in nineteen
seconds was the most of any team that got shut
out in at.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Least forty two years now.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Time of possession data is available on Pro Football Reference
only going back to nineteen eighty three, but the previous
record for most time of possession in a shutout was
thirty six minutes and fifty six seconds by the Raiders,
who lost fifty two zip to the Rams in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
That could be banner worthy. That could be a banner.
I like this. That wasn't the most demoralizing tweet I
saw today?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Did you see Dan Orlofsky's tweet? No, listen to this
with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. Joe Burrow targeting Jamar
Chase this year twenty eight for forty eight fifty eight percent,
one touchdown, three interceptions, fifty two point three QBR. Tell
me something is not off. I said it before. I'll
say it again. The pick six which sealed the game,

(58:36):
go back and rewatch that and I'll post a video
of it tomorrow. One on one with Jamar Chase at
the bottom of the screen wasn't like Baltimore hit it.
Joe knew what was coming. He waited for Tanner Hudson
instead of just throwing a back shoulder ball to Jamar Chase,
which he does again ninety nine percent of the time.
Like that's why I say mentally, something had to be

(58:58):
off because the Burrow I've watched since he got here.
Anytime they go one on one with Jamar Chase, he says,
you're not doing that. I'll take that all day. Didn't
even look at it well again, like missed him on
a deep ball where he didn't look to him when
Jamar Chase clearly beat the guy.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
The play where they throw it downfield, Gaziki is going
down the middle of the field, two guys are chasing
him and Jamar is running a short route.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
It's fourth and four. Yeah, I think man to man,
I don't know how you just don't look at Jamar
Chase and go you're my only reading.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
That's the thing they did that. They did their work
pre snap, they sent motion. He knew it was man
fourth and four. Your man beater is Jamar Chase, not
Mike Asiki down the middle of the field. It just
it was off. Everything about the normal reads that Joe
Burrow makes was off yesterday.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
The normal reads and the normal effort.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
We started the show by me talking about the play
in the third quarter where it's third and eight, they're
down seventeen. Time is of the essence. Possession is of
the essens. They're at the thirty nine yard line. Joe
Burrow scrambles to his right. Nothing's there and he just
saunters out a bounds and there's a part of me going, Okay,
well they're at least gonna go forward on fourth down. No,
he just kept like walking to the bench, yep, and

(01:00:08):
like this is the same player who when he got hurt,
Folks were like, well, it's because he plays hero ball.
He's extending plays too much, he's trying to do too much.
He's gonna be more responsible, And look, man, I think
there's some shreds of validity to that. But if there
is a moment where I'm like, you know, my guy,
go make a play. It's seventeen to nothing in a
must win game in the third quarter, and instead he

(01:00:31):
just jogs out of bounds. And so the mantra from
twenty twenty one late in the season was Efic Jamar
is down there, right? What happened to ef If you
throw a ball twenty yards down the field?

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Who cares at seventeen nothing giving up possession At that
point the yardage doesn't matter, right, He just like walks
out of bounds.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Never seen that before from him? Never you remember remember
years ago when Andy Dalton threw it out of bounds
on fourth down against Pittsburgh. Yeah, crush for it. Yeah
like that, That to me was I'm good waved the
white flag and I've never seen that, nor did I
ever think we'd see that from Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I mean I joked to my house watching the game,
like I think Joe Burrow's got the ravens and the points.
I'm not accusing him of throwing the game. But like jokingly,
I'm like, that's yeah, that's that's one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Of them plays. Joe joke, Joe laid the two and
a half. That was the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And so again, like the snapshot of the game yesterday,
that stands out more than anything is that the normal
Joe Burrow does something. He might not get the first
down anything, he might run and be short. He might
throw it, throw a pick, he might throw it, throw
it short of he does.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Something, he'd do anything. Yep, just saw it to ride
a bound let Ryan Rico punt we're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
It was the white flag moment.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
It was the white flag.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
And again, at all everything we just described reiterates the
fact that I wouldn't try him out there on Sunday,
not physically, because mentally, if he's compromised at all, he
can set himself up for something bad on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Miami is mathematically still live now they play tonight, if
the Dolphins win, they're still live.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Does that have any bearing on your because I could,
I could understand the perspective. Hey, look, this game might
not matter to us, but it does matter Bengals Arizona.
It doesn't matter for anybody. Sure Bengals Cleveland, Sure as
hell doesn't matter to anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Which is why I was surprised Zac came today and
said all three. He didn't just say like, he's our
quarterback this week?

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
What about T Higgins?

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Nope, with concussions, no chance see you next year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Concussion protocol twice in three weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Concussion scare me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I love you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Yeah. By the way an oft, the way he plays
and an oft injured player, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
I just if I were.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
If I were, I'll go a come up with something
for Gino Stone. Ah, you're good, We're good with your services.
Guy took the worst angle on a ball before the
half I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
That's part for the course.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
The Joe to me like the story of the season.
The rest of the way is how I will watch
these last three games.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Through my fingers.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Uncomfortable because they're playing with fire now. Uncomfortable. I no
issue with Joe playing against the Ravens Thanksgiving night. No
issue with him playing against like you were trying, you
were in it, yeah, mathemat fine. Now they are playing
with fire. Yeah, and I like the whole Well, he's
got the fire to play yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
He didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
That's the most worries worrisome about yesterday. We talked about
the players rolling over, quitting on Zach Taylor. That was
a game that still had meaning. Yeah, what happens now
right when these games don't mean anything? Right, business decisions
are normally what happens in those games.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
It is twenty three away from five o'clock. Brendan Sorosby
has made a business decision. We'll talk about that coming
up in the five o'clock hour, and a brief college
basketball detour.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Oh, we're gonna spend a few minutes chatting with.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
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Biggies opener against Creighton on Wednesday. You know he's winners
go first on this show, and it is a football show.
They go first, and hour three Xavier's team is winning
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Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
What do you say to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
People who tell Joe Burrow that he should just shut up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Because you know that's out there.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Yeah, we talked about this too, of the ramifications when
you sign and get the money that he did. You
remember how the turn slowly happened on Joey Vada when
he got paid, and it was, well, you walk too much,
you're not doing enough. The perception changes when you get
paid a lot of money. I would say to them
that Joe Burrow literally has the franchise weight on his back,

(01:07:53):
and it's not easy to have to be perfect every
time you take the field. Joe Burrow has already sacrific
a ton to get back to this point, and there's
only so much he can do. I again, I have
been very open at the fact that I don't think
Zach Taylor should have been the offensive coordinator. I think

(01:08:14):
Joe Burrow has to overcome that. At times, he's had
to overcome subpar offensive lines. Now they have helped him.
They've done what he wanted. They signed Jamar they signed
Tea Chase Brown as a weapon. They went out and
got Mica SICKI. They have not helped him in development.
They've not helped him on the defensive side of the ball.
They've asked Joe Burrow to be perfect. And as a

(01:08:36):
competitor who wants to win Super Bowls, I don't think
he should be quiet. I think he should speak up
onto what this team needs to be successful.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
To me bring up the money if there's something he's
not doing. He's been here for almost six years. Yeah,
has there been something that he's needed to do that
he hasn't And I'm not talking about like he's played
every game great. Obviously, I wish you would have played
better on a number of occasions, including yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I wish he would have won a Super Bowl. I
wish he would have won multiple super Bowls.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
But everything they've asked him to do in terms of
representing the franchise being the foundation around which everything is
gonna be built, He's worked his tail off to come
back from injury. He's played hurt, He's played when physically compromised,
and some of us thought he shouldn't. He's shown a
willingness to lead. By all accounts, He's a maniacal worker.

(01:09:29):
Winning matters to him. Being a good teammate seems to
matter to him. There are maybe things behind the scenes
that we don't see, but it feels like his teammates
adore him. It feels like he does everything his coaches ask,
what has he not done? Like bring up the money
to me?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
If you're like, you know what, this guy doesn't come
to voluntary workouts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
He missed the one to go to the met Gala,
which four or five people lost their mind over.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I look at Joe Burrow and I see like he
is exactly what you want your face of your franchise
to be. He is exactly the type of player in
person you want to build around. He has done everything
that has been asked. He has been tasked with almost
by himself, helping a franchise rebrand. They have put everything
on him. He has never complained, he has never thrown

(01:10:14):
people under the bus. He's always taken responsibility for his
poor play, as he did yesterday. He's taking responsibility for
losing when he's played out of his mind. So if
you bring up the money, then tell me what during
the course of him earning that money you believe he
has not done that he should.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
I don't think there's an answer to that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
I'll simply put it. If you are one of the
fans that think that this is a Joe Burrow problem
with this team right now, then I think you're part
of the problem. Like if your takeaway is this is
Joe Burrow problem, that this team is where they are,
then that's a part of the problem because he is
far from Does he have to play better than yesterday? Yeah,

(01:10:52):
and he'd be the first to tell you that it
was it was yeah, But this this narrative, and again
it comes with the tear. You get paid a lot
of money, the perception changes, you know, you you become
the villain. At the villain at some point. But from
what I've seen and what I watched, they're asking a
ton of this guy. They're putting a ton on his shoulder,

(01:11:12):
and it's a guy that, at the very core of
it just wants to win.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Do you think he should have been handed a snowblower
and a towel and asked to clean off seats, yester?

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
I think that would have went pretty far if he
was up there doing that with.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
The kind of money he's making.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Do you think it would have been within the Bengals
rights to say to him, Joe, why don't you hike
up to the three hundred level yep and clear off
the seeds and the rehapping.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
More, go go up there, get some steps in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
You know, why don't why don't you just in an
effort to make our fans feel more welcome. We know
you have a lot on your plate, but why don't
you go up there and and just chip off some
snow and some ice for those folks in the upper
reaches of the stadium. Maybe that's the one thing he could.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Have Maybe that'll been the mental break he needed, could
have been some alone time up there in the Canna
put it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Put in your buds and uh and.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Chip away, chip away kind of what we're doing here,
just chip it away.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Maybe that should be like Marvin Lewis used have those
T shirts like do your job and run on your
own gas, whatever the hell that meant.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Chip away.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Maybe chip away can be the new motto. But for like,
you know, chip it away the ice and snow or
whatever frozen buttons that are on the escalator that didn't
work again yesterday, or the team itself.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Chip away.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Yeah, it could go in many ways, or it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Could be like start blowing, blow the snow off.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Yeah seats, Yeah, you think they should go start blowing
as the next shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
I think they should. It's ten away from about five o'clock.
We're a twin peaks in Florence. It's the Tony and
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Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Up in busy, busy for that. Richard Patino and I
are gonna Yeah, I'm looking forward to listen to that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
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Out, Nope, nope, nope. I'm good. I've done my ELF
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Your family participate in ELF on a shelf? We do?
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Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
It is ah, it's been a try in December, and
I am one that like really wants to soak in
the holiday season because I think it goes too fast.
And I enjoy the holidays, but man, there are mornings
where I'm trying to piece it together and between a
one year old and four year old a five year old,
and you hear those feet coming down the stairs and

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you know you forgot to do something and you are hustling.

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I try to put this in the most gentle way
possible because I don't want to. I don't want to
make for uncomfortable conversations for everybody who might be listening
with their children. But there have been more than a
handful of nights where either my wife or I have
woken up or right before we're going.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
To sleep, and we go, yeah, yeah, what's your else's name?

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Elfie?

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Really, that's ours?

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Amazing how that works?

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Elfie?

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Elfie?

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Yep, yep. I was told that Elfie better bring it
these final days before Christmas. Elfie wasn't told that by
the kids.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Elfie brought it this morning in a scavenger hunt that
was more elaborate than an NFL team's game plan. Wow,
it was a good fifteen minutes. Nice for the scavenger
hunt to unfold.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
We've had elaborate mornings.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Elfie went out of his way. We had a laborate
healthy went above and beyond in ways the Bengals did not.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
We've had elaborate mornings. We've had mornings where man Elfie
likes the tree. And then there was one morning where
Elfie didn't move and I said, well the weather, uh
huh was the bad weather? Right, couldn't get back to
the north for frozen frozen here, so it is uh yeah,
time honor traditions.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
I met a couple of friends of mine for beverages
on Friday night. My wife was home, and as she
went to bed, she sent me a text, hope you're
having fun. Oh you're on Elfie duty. Yeah, it's not
what I wanted to hear. Nope, all right, we're at
Twin Peaks for another hours.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
But if you tell my wife and I conversation right now,
we just send videos back and forth. How about this idea? Yeah,
what about.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
There's a lot of that going on and you got
three Yeah, Alfie's got a lot on his plate.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
O Bush, all right.

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Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Thank you so much for listening. Hopefully you're having an
awesome Monday. Let's let's talk some college shops. The Xavier
Musketeers are getting set to open up Big EIA's Play
on Wednesday with a home tilt against Creton. That game
is going to start at six thirty. XU coming off
a fifth consecutive win on Friday night, beating Missouri State
seventy five to fifty seven. Muski's going the league play

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with an eight and three record and five straight wins.
As I just mentioned, it is awesome to get a
chance on the eve of the eve of Big East
Play starting. The head coach of the Musketeers, Richard Patino,
is with us. Coach, it is always awesome to have you.
Good afternoon, How are you.

Speaker 10 (01:17:20):
Doing great?

Speaker 11 (01:17:20):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
I appreciate you joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
You appeared on our show a few days before the
season opener, and we're trying to figure out who's gonna
do what, what you're gonna put on the floor in
the first game, we knew the first month and a
half of the season was going to be a learning process.
There have been some ups and downs and a lot
more ups recently. What are the handful of biggest things
you've learned about this team through eleven games.

Speaker 11 (01:17:46):
Well, I think they're willing to adapt, and you know,
we've made some changes, whether it was to our lineup,
whether it was to our offense. And they've really really,
you know, taken to coaching. You know, we're number one
in the country on Ken Palm of turnover percentage, so
certainly value in the basketball very well, sharing it, you know,

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at a high rate, at nineteen assists per game, you know.
So it's a great group. They played very unselfish basketball,
and they're getting better and better every game. You know,
so very very grateful to just be dealing with these
guys on a daily basis because they're really fun to coach.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
You're you're not You're never I guess where you want
to be. You certainly aren't going to be in the
middle of December. But I want to go back to
when you played Georgia in Charleston, because in the second
half of that game, it just felt like and I'm
watching it from Afar. It just felt like the switch
was being flipped. And that's cliche, and it's cliche to
say that the light bulb was coming on. But I

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and again you may have a different perspective, but I
felt like that night you could start to see it.
You can start to see it coalesce a little bit.
And you haven't lost since. Is that did you feel this?
You didn't win the game, but that night, in the
second half, as it was unfolding, did you feel something
so more?

Speaker 11 (01:19:02):
Yeah, I think it subtly happened. Honestly at Iowa, we
made the switch to put Jovah at the five. We
brought all right into starting point, and you know, although
we didn't win the game, like we just felt like
there was a fluidity and a rhythm to that lineup
that we really really liked. We came back and played
great versus Dominion and then going into Georgia, like you said,

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you know, I mean, Georgia is very very athletic, they're
very talented. We came back, really had the game. One
kid did a tough, tough shot in front of their bench.
But the response from that loss, you know, to bounce
back the next day, have a great practice. We actually
had a shoot around early morning versus West Virginia that

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was as good as one of the shooting rounds that
I've ever had in fourteen years of being a head coach,
and I just felt like, these guys are starting to
believe in kind of this new way of playing. And
we then go out versus West Virginia. We hit fifteen threes,
put up seventy eight point. It's a really really good
defensive team. So yeah, I think the Charleston Classic it
gave us hope, you know, I mean, we we It's

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still a long season, but you know, to add so
many guys where you know, you don't retain anybody who
scored a basket from last year. We knew it would
take some time, but the guys have caught up, certainly
at a fast rate.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
I've heard coaches on both ends of the Crosstown Shootout
talk about how hard it can be in the days after,
and there's it's such an entity onto itself, and there's
so much that goes into it and so much that
comes out of it. I've heard coaches talk about, like,
we don't want to play a game for a week,
which you guys did and I've heard coaches talk about
we want to get back to playing another opponent as

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soon as possible. You've talked a lot about the game itself,
but give us an idea how you felt your guys
handled the couple of days after that game, and and
and the aftermath of what was such an emotional night
for your team.

Speaker 11 (01:20:57):
You know, it's really hard as a coach because you
really do try to treat every game the same. But
because of their phones, social media, are fans media like.
It's not that they're their fault, but they certainly build
this up to a bigger game than any of the
games that we had played so far, and you know,

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they're getting hit with all the dopamine hits and all
that stuff, and it's you know, when you lose a
tough game, every coach says the same thing that their
players block out the noise, block out the noise. Well,
it's equally as hard when everybody's feeding you all these
positive thoughts as well, because you don't want.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
To get complacent.

Speaker 11 (01:21:36):
I knew that, you know, when we played in Missouri State,
I wasn't surprised that the energy was not the same
in the building.

Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
I mean, that's normal.

Speaker 11 (01:21:43):
You know, you got students going away for break. It's
a you know game after the crossout shootout, not as
big of a name, and I like the fact that
we had a little time off because of finals. But
I was also excited to see how we responded, and
we played great in the second half.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
So that game, you know, I don't think.

Speaker 11 (01:22:03):
There's as a coach, you can do a whole lot
about it because it is so big to our community
on both sides. It's so big to the media.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
Here and unfortunately get the win.

Speaker 11 (01:22:12):
Unfortunate to respond the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
When you're going through you start Biggies play against Creighton
on Wednesday. You're obviously always keeping an eye on the league,
but how much are you watching the teams that play
in the Big East. How closely are you paying attention
to schools like Creighton as you're going through those first
six or seven weeks of the regular season.

Speaker 11 (01:22:33):
Yeah, I mean, you certainly want to have a feel
for it all, especially with the transfer portal. You know,
you want to try to pay attention to as many
players as possible because they're all essentially free agents, So
you know, you want to be educated with all of
these rosters.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
To the best of your ability.

Speaker 11 (01:22:48):
But you know, if there's a game on TV or something,
I may watch it, but you know, you're just you're
not necessarily paying attention to the level of preparation going
into a game. But I think the league, certainly, you've
got Yukon and Saint John's at the top, you know,
really really invested in their rosters, terrific programs, and then

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you've got kind of like everybody else trying to buy
for three four, five six. You know, I watched the
Providence at Butler game. That was as entertaining as a
game as you will see. Uh, the difference gree conference play,
and you know, the non conference is just like there's
no you know, everybody's fighting for seeding NCAA tournament. There's

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no mid major opponents anymore. You know, stamina, competitive stamina,
all those things really going and you can't get tired,
you know, because there's long days and weeks ahead. So
Creighton has always been a very very good team and
a tough out in the the East. Uh, they've dropped
a couple as of late, but we certainly know it's

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gonna be a great challenge for US.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
I watched Butler Providence, which was a game that was
so good and so long. It aired on two different networks.
And there have been lots of changes in college basketball.
One of one of that I'm that I'm like still
grappling with. It's still weird to see conference games in
mid December, and I know it's a byproduct of large
leagues and expanded conference schedules. Is it weird at all
to you that we're talking about playing games in conference

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before Christmas?

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:24:19):
I mean we did that, I believe in the Big
Ten because we went to a twenty league game schedule,
and you know, they don't they want to try to
give you that bye week. So I don't love it,
especially like this time of year is about college football,
it's also about the holidays, and you know, so I
don't love it, but it's the best way to kind
of fit everything in. You know, you'd want your students

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on campus, especially in our building.

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
Our students are so good, but it kind of is
what it is.

Speaker 11 (01:24:46):
So yeah, I mean I've always I wish they'd start
the season, you know, after January. They'll never do it
because of March badness, but you know it'll certainly ramp
up here. But these games are just as important, even
those two and are gone in the holidays, They matter
just as much as games.

Speaker 10 (01:25:03):
Of mid February, I watched.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
On social media video of view this weekend going sledding.
I also went sledding, and I feel like a bus
hit me. How you doing physically?

Speaker 11 (01:25:14):
Yeah, you know you don't as you get older. I'm
forty three years old, and my nine year old daughter
was like, she was walking out to go sledding by herself,
and I'm like, man, I can't let my cute little
daughter go up sled by herself. So I was way
too ambitious and I hit a bump and then the
video that I posted my wife didn't catch the end
of it, but I hit it free too, So I'm like, man,

(01:25:37):
I'm gonna I'm gonna watch you do it, have fun
with you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
But it was fun.

Speaker 11 (01:25:42):
I mean, I've never I lived in Minnesota for eight years,
but it was so darn cold to go outside and
to go sledding. So it was cool to spend a
couple of hours with my daughter outside.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
She loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Yeah, I did the same, and then I paid for
it yesterday morning. I can't thank you enough for doing
this congratulations on the five straight wins. Best of luck
on Wednesday and during Big East play, and hopefully we'll
do it again soon. Coach, thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
All right, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
Appreciate it. You got it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
That's the head coach at Xavier University. By the way,
More Tonight Richard Patino Show at seven pm on fifty
five KRC. We took a college basketball detour last week,
took a college basketball dtour this week, chatting with the
head coach of the Xavier Musketeers on the Tony and
Mo Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. We'll get back
to the football after this, and we have Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
It is twenty two minutes after five o'clock. This is
ESPN fifteen thirty. It's the Tony and Mo Football Show. Tony,
nice to have you back with me.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Could be here. I enjoyed listening to that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
We're at Twin Peaks in Florence.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
You're gonna hear the contractually obligated airing of Zach Taylor's
weekly press conference coming up at five forty. I know
you were excited about that Bengals lose to the Baltimore Ravens.
Got shut out, No showed, Joe Burrow was checked out,
look checked out at least twenty four ZIP the final
score yesterday, Joe was going to play the last three games.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
You hear Zach talk about that and so much more.

Speaker 12 (01:28:35):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
I thought the Bengals were gonna cover the spread. I
gave the Bengals more than a puncher's chance over the game.
We did the show yesterday with Can Brew and I said,
you know what, I'll take two and a half with
a desperate Bengals team and Joe Burrow against a team
they had beaten seventeen days prior. The Baltimore Ravens yesterday
were an accessory. They almost weren't even on the field.
I barely paid attention because what I was watching was

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a quarterback and a team that looked totally checked out.

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
Yep, they look checked out. From the first drive of
the game, when Burrow got sacked and it pushed him
out of a field goal range. It looked like they
never really regained their footing. I know they got inside
the thirty five four times in the game and came
away with zero points. But they looked disinterested. They looked disjointed.
The connection between Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase seems off.

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I don't feel like they have a true planet running
back of who their guy is. I thought this was
Chase Brown's job. He's now getting out carried by some
AJP Ryan. I thought as much as the offensive line
has taken strides forward as of late, I thought they
took one back yesterday. Collectively, I think Joe Burrow is
probably to blame for a little bit of that as well,

(01:29:44):
with protections and where things were set. But from coaching
to the effort to the team seemingly not being prepared,
which is crazy because you played the team sixteen days
ago and you know who the opponent is and you
know what was on the line. I know it was slim,
but there was still a playoff path. Yeah, and sure
that effort did not match what I thought should have

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been the effort for a game of that magnitude.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
That effort didn't match what it should be in the
middle of August, much less when you're playing for your
playoff Live to me, and we've done this show for
a long time now. I enjoy sort of going up
and down the game and talking about certain plays and
coaching decisions and sometimes second guessing them, sometimes second guessing
the other coach, and discussing the strategies that each team use.

(01:30:33):
None of those matter to me, Nope, But yesterday wasn't
about x's and o's. Yesterday wasn't about any sort of
personnel decision. Yesterday wasn't about things that the Ravens or
Bengals did to counter what the other was doing. Yesterday,
to me, was about one thing. It was about how
the Bengals looked and going about their jobs. I don't

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consider myself to be an expert on anything, and God
knows I've had a warp perspective on a lot of
things in my life, but I do think I do
think I trust myself when it comes to assessing whether
or not a team is broken and whether or not
the efforts being compromised. You and I are huge Juicy
basketball fans. They played a game last year against Kansas

(01:31:19):
State where the x's and o's didn't matter. The ramifications
of the game didn't matter, the strategies didn't matter, the
opponent didn't matter, and you and I both started our
respective shows by asking what was that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Because clearly there was something off. Clearly there was something off.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
There are games like that where just how it looks,
the vibe, the mood, the collective effort, it just stands out,
or lack thereof, stands out more than anything. Yesterday was
that game. And so in the middle of this conversation
about Burrow and where his head is and what he
may do, it was even more striking that yesterday it

(01:31:58):
looked the way it did.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Yeah, I didn't write much down taking notes about scheme,
as you said in play calling, I asked did the
team quit? Have they quit? And where's the urgency? And
then I wrote down, now, what what happens going forward?
We talked about the lack of urgency. They ran twenty
seven plays in the fourth quarter consecutively, Yeah, and zero

(01:32:21):
points to show for it, and took thirteen minutes off
the clock. I get. They waved the white flag midway
through the third quarter. In my opinion, Burrow looked disinterested.
Jamar Chase looked disinterested. Your best players didn't look like
they care to be there, And it just so happened
randomly to fall in a week where Joe Burrow had

(01:32:42):
those comments on Wednesday. To me, those are too many
things that are correlating, too many coincidences that to me
screams that there's something else at play here. I don't
know what it is, and I don't think anyone outside
of that stadium, walls, or maybe even Joe Burrow's life
know what it is. But hearing Jamar Chase talked that

(01:33:02):
way after the game, it was just unique. And I
said that the backdrop of all of this was you
were still playing for something. You beat them yesterday, we're watching,
we're talking about this game tonight much more, much more
than we have today. Yeah, now can you matter?

Speaker 11 (01:33:19):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
And that's the frustrating part. And you'll hear from Zach
Taylor that's you know, Joe's going to play the last
three because we still want to win. Whatever. You didn't
want to win yesterday. You didn't do the things to
put in place yesterday to show that you want to win. Now,
you want to win the last three for what better
draft spot.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
It's funny you mentioned the game tonight because I was
thinking about this yesterday morning. We all understood what the
odds were, right, I mean, they were plus. I think
yesterday morning plus fifteen hundred to win the AFC North,
if you want to go by percentages based on simulators,
somewhere between two and four percent based on your model.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
But I'm thinking, like, you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Know, if they can beat Baltimore at the very length,
I watched tonight's game with added interest. I think Pittsburgh's
gonna beat Miami. Miami has played well, but they haven't
beaten anybody. It's cold weather to his bad in cold weather.
The fact that TJ. Watt is not available hurts, but
I don't think it kills Pittsburgh against this opponent. But

(01:34:16):
I'm thinking yesterday morning, as I was driving to do
the pregame show, and I drove my car right in Uber,
I was thinking, like, all right, win today and at
least this advance is to tomorrow, and at least to
a degree, this advances to next week. Survive in advance, right,
So like it would have been fun tonight watch Steelers

(01:34:39):
and Dolphins, thinking about, all right, can Miami help the
Bengals open the door a little bit more? Maybe they
couldn't have now doesn't matter, but in the third and
fourth quarter yesterday, that's that's what it looks like when
a team has just waved the white flag. And we've
talked about it a lot today, huddling, taking all the

(01:35:02):
time between plays, Yeah, dinking and dunking, running the ball,
getting a first down and then okay, let's huddle up
and talk about the next I mean we I've seen teams.
I've seen this team play with urgency and go tempo,
and let's put our foot on the game. If you
watch the second half against Detroit, they did that offensively.

(01:35:22):
Now they could get stops on defense. Thinking that with
Jake Browning, I know what it's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Supposed to look like, was the exact opposite in the
third and fourth quarter, and so you know, yeah, there's
the Joe Burrow conversation, but the bigger conversation is about
a coach whose team did that, because it's never done
it before.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
We've been so caught up in Burrow injury, Burrow coming back,
keeping the season alive, and it feels like mo for
the last month, what have we been doing? Every game
has always been all right, this is the chance to go,
and then they lose the game and it's wealth there's
still a path uh huh, when in reality, this team's
got four wins. They're not a good team. We've tried,

(01:35:58):
you know, yesterday as far as yesterday we're sitting down
there talking pregame and say, well, all they gotta do
is win four in a row, when in reality they've
won four all year. They're a bad football team. We've
continued to try to push this can down the road
a little bit longer, and now you have to take
in the realization of who and what they are, which
is a four win football team. They're four and ten.

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Their record is who they are. Bad teams make those
type of mistakes that this team has made all year.
But mistakes are one thing, rolling over as another. And
I believe that we watched a team roll over yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
And you talk about like bad team.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
They masked so many things by how they finished last
year against bad quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Yep, now you get credit for winning in the end.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
What are they gonna do this year?

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
But like so, the whole bad team thing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
I go back to this offseason, Tony, we talked about
their chances of making the playoffs versus their chances of
winning the Super Bowl, and I think both of us
were in the same place. If Joe plays seventeen games,
there'll be a playoff team, but I'm not convinced they're
a title team because I think it's a great quarterback
with a deeply flawed roster that didn't change. So the

(01:37:10):
question now becomes, what do you do to change it
dramatically enough in the short term to contend for championships?

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
Right? How do you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
I'm less interested in sneak back into the playoffs and
you never know once you get there, Like, what is
it gonna take for in the short term Duke Tobin?
And I'll assume it's gonna be Duke Tobin to remake
the roster to the degree that it goes from one
of the worst to one that you go as a
championship roster.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
I don't know where that confidence comes from right now,
that's the issue. I don't know where you get that
confidence from, and I think that's highly worrisome going forward.
They were massed down the stretch last year. Were they
gonna win the next three? Beat the Dolphins, Cardinals, and Cleveland,
You're gonna say, well, seven to ten. They played better
down the stretch. They're closer to wash Rich repeat. That's

(01:38:01):
why I wouldn't play Joe Burrow down to stretch, I
won a better draft pick.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
It's easy to say, you know, and it's true to
a degree.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
This season went down in flames the minute Joe Burrow
walked off the field in that game against the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
But that they won. But I think most of us.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
After that game, as devastating as it was to see
that Joe Burrow is going to have to have surgery,
most of us believed they Jake Browning can keep the
team afloat right quality backup quarterback. You know, we all
read that ranking that ESPN had second best backup QB
in the league. I think most of us believed that

(01:38:44):
Jake Browning plus a two to zero start, the offensive
weaponry they have, they can still get to December.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Yeah, hanging in there. Yeah, and then maybe Joe's back.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
This was the original week we thought he'd be coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Yeah, I mean came back three weeks early. All of
that for me, went up and smoked Week four against Denver. Yep,
they were bad against the Vikings, but a lot of
weird stuff happened, turnovers and the game kind of got
out of hand, and all right, fine, now we've seen
what the Denver. Broncos have done since, but at that
point Denver was one and two, and you know, go

(01:39:21):
there and win, and then they're at least coming home
for the next win against Detroit and green Bay is
that's not an impossible game, and they would be favorite
at home when they play the Steelers, and then it's
the Jets and it's the winnable games. I went to
that game in Denver, and I remember that that day
doing the pregame show with you saying like, this is
the game, win this one three and one. You got

(01:39:43):
a little bit of a cushion and they were non
competitive and so like to me, the night that this
season ended. I know it's easy to say Burrow against Jacksonville,
that's fine, it's not inaccurate, But to me, it was
that Monday night in Denver when they got clobbered in
a game. It was twenty eight three and frankly a like.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
Fifty to three. Yeah, Yeah, was that the moment for you? Yeah?
And I think again, at times you let yourself believe
because Flacco's magic for a little bit and so coming back. Yeah,
But at the root of it, this team it's been
a it's a bad team, bad team, and you know,
we we try to find hope, and we try to
find reasons that that it can change, and Nine changes a.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Lot of that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
And uh, I think that's why yesterday's even harder. It's
because all along it's like, well, as long as nine's good,
and right now doesn't feel like he's good. No, And
and that makes all of this even more worrisome.

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Oh yeah, airing of.

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The UC Bearcats are prepping for the Liberty Bowl. The
entire offensive line available at today's workout. Brendan Sorosby, however,
tells ESPN he is entering the transfer portal Tony a
quarterback for U.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
See what now, portal? I believe portal. I mean, that's
unfortunately the way you're gonna have to go. See how
the bowl game plays out, see how the practices play out.
With with Likedenberg and Samas Jones, but I think you
gotta find your answer in the portal.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
I'm not saying they're the same type of player, but
I feel the same way about Brendan Sorosby and you
see that I felt about Andy Dalton with the Bengals.
Sure where I'm not sure he's the guy to get
him to the next level. Yeah, but you could do
a hell of a lot worse, correct, And that worriesome.
And that's how I feel like, I don't can you
find anything better? I like Brendon a lot. My interactions

(01:42:41):
with him have been awesome. I think you would say
the same. Good dude. I hope whether it's at another
school or in the NFL, I hope it does well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Have no reason to root against him. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
They're gonna win a big twelve twoampionship with Brendan Soresby's quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
Yeah, but what's behind Jordan number two?

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Don't want to know. I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
And so in the short term, I think it's going
to be a combo of Brady Lichtenberg and Samage Jones
and the Liberty Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
Every Bowl is going to be an uphill battle because
I know Navy is not having players that are going
to be sitting out.

Speaker 8 (01:43:19):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
I saw somebody put on social media, and I don't
think this was in relation to the Bearcats.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
It was during the Army Navy game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
About how like a service academy is the last team
you want to play at a bowl game, yep, because
their dudes aren't going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Nope, No, they want to be there and they're not
going to wherever. The bold destination is to go hang out,
no business trip. I don't gather, and I could be
dead wrong about this. I don't gather that Samage Jones
is option A at QB next year.

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
I don't think so. Again, maybe they maybe you make
strides over the offseason, but I felt like last time
I saw him in action, there were still a ways
that he needed to go.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
What's the quarterback who's better than Brendan Soresby cost? I
don't know, right, it's a good question. I don't know
specifically what Brendan made. Yeah, I've heard people speculate and theorized.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Yeah, I mean there are people throwing out four million
that he's going to get somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Can you see pay a quarterback for a million? Now?

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
They can't.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
If they can't pay a quarterback four million dollars, are
they really going to get a QB who's better than
Brendan Soresby?

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
Probably not. Momentum forward positivity.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
I'm glad we aren't making this a very long segment. Yeah, well,
good luck to Brendan again.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Man like a quarterback at the end of the quarterback
play at the end of the season. I thought, wasn't
the asset it needs to be. I'm terrified to find
out what what's behind door number two?

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
Correct? And we're about to find out, Uh, what do
we have?

Speaker 11 (01:44:51):
We have?

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
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Speaker 13 (01:45:14):
After after sleeping on last night, what's kind of the
biggest thing that jumped out about why things didn't.

Speaker 11 (01:45:19):
Go your way?

Speaker 10 (01:45:19):
Well, similar to how I felt coming off the field.
You know, we had five possessions on offense inside of
the thirty two yard line and no points and and
so for that to happen, you know, that was really
on pace to be a twenty to seventeen type of game.
Typically when we play those guys and to come up
with no points, that's obviously being indicator while we were
twenty four to nothing. Andrew Wise, how did y'all come

(01:45:41):
out of yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
We'll see.

Speaker 10 (01:45:42):
I think there's nobody I'm ready to say can't go
right now. We had a bunch of guys that kind
of got nicked up and we'll be limited throughout the week,
But nobody i'd say with extreme confidence can't go on Sunday.
Maybe as the week progressors will get there. But Chris Jenkins,
like as I think the eldest guys, I'd say, you know,
the guys that come up on the injury report are
gonna be Chris Jenkins, Joseph Osi, Man's no off, Charlie.

(01:46:07):
Those are the main ones that strike me right now.
But again I'm not We'll keep working through the week
and see where those guys end up. I was Shamar
to playing and could he be a possibility in this week.
I think he's a possibility. We'll just walk through the
week and see where he ends up. His first week
back at practice coming off the injury as a rookie,
he pushed himself pretty good. Didn't feel is the right

(01:46:30):
time to put him back in the game. So we'll
work through Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and see where he.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Lands on that.

Speaker 10 (01:46:35):
Now that you guys are officially out of playoff contention,
will be more conservative with deciding on if players or
kenn or can't go. We'll see that's a case by
case basis to see where but he ends up.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Is your expectation that Burrow will start the rest of
the season.

Speaker 12 (01:46:49):
Yes, you're not going to use it as an excuse,
but how much you feel like the cold impacted things,
especially offensively yesterday?

Speaker 10 (01:46:56):
Well, I think both teams played in the cold, so
certainly we won't use this as an excuse. Those are
rare temperatures. That was very similar to that New England
game we played in twenty two. That's that's identical how
it felt. But again, they they went out there and
played football just like we did, they coached us like
we did, and they came away with the twenty four
to nothing win.

Speaker 13 (01:47:15):
Hasn't been any consideration of all the kind of brow
down for the last three games that come up at all?

Speaker 11 (01:47:20):
Why not?

Speaker 10 (01:47:21):
Because we want to win. What are the conversations with Joe?

Speaker 14 (01:47:25):
What will they be like after he took so much
responsibility yesterday's act form what happened? Are you going to
break down the film more closely or are you going
to have more generic conversations with them?

Speaker 10 (01:47:36):
Well, I don't we break down the film pretty thoroughly
with all these guys. And I think it's great to
see your leaders take ownership for their performance. That's that's
critical for us to continue to progress, is guys taking
accountability for it. And so I was I was proud
that Joe did that. That wasn't his best game he's
played since he's been here, certainly, and and for whatever

(01:47:56):
reason that was the cold or whatever doesn't really matter
at this point. And so again I thought it was
good he took accountability front of the team last night,
took accountabilding here too, accountability with me. I take accountability.
I played a big part of that as well, And
so I think it's good to see when your leaders
do that. And I'm not surprised that he did. That's
that's who he is.

Speaker 12 (01:48:18):
When Joe got heard, a question we asked us show
was will he change the way he plays coming back
from the injury? And I think through three games it's
a pretty clear no. One of the things you like
just about his willingness to extend plays, to take those
type of chances, and what gives you confidence from.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
Me to keep doing that.

Speaker 10 (01:48:34):
Well, there's not really a quarterback you're going to find
an AFC that plays in a meaningful games late in
the season that doesn't take those chances. And so to
take to take a superpower away from him where he
has been strong through contact and extended plays and created
big plays from that stuff. Now, certainly we want him
healthy throughout the season in his career, and so there

(01:48:54):
is that balance there of all of that. But when
you watch guys I only have to mention my name
that that play on through the playoffs, a big, huge
part of what they do is make plays out of
nothing and and so again Joe's done a great job
of that over the course of his career. And there's
just a balance of staying healthy and also finding the
moment where you can extend those plays and make those

(01:49:14):
big plays.

Speaker 13 (01:49:15):
How much of that depends on him in terms of
being healthy, How much of that depends on him being
able to take care of herself during a game.

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
It's all of it.

Speaker 10 (01:49:22):
I mean, it's again, it's like calling it's protection, it's
him decision making. I mean that that elefactor's into it.

Speaker 13 (01:49:28):
You talking about accountability and kind of in your role
and kind of when things will go well, what does
that necessarily look like throughout the course of the week.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
I know you tell it, you know you talk to
us about it, But what does that look like for
you in.

Speaker 10 (01:49:38):
Terms of just for the coaches, with players anything where
I feel like I've fallen short and can do better,
I'm not going to hesitate to admit that. I'm not
going to ask the players to take ownership for something
that we're holding accountable for and I'm not going to
do the same thing. So I don't I don't think
that's I feel very comfortable doing that and exposing myself
that way. You know, with him, it's I don't want

(01:50:02):
anybody have an ego about this that as everybody else's fault.

Speaker 11 (01:50:05):
It's not.

Speaker 10 (01:50:05):
It's one hundred percent on me, you know. To be
with the record we're at right now, to score no
points yesterday on offense, when I call the plays, that's
I mean that starts and ends with me, really, and
so we can talk about all the other things that happen,
but it's it's frustrating and yes, disappointing.

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