7/7/26 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
So let me just get that part out of the way.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I hate to disappoint you, but I'll be like the
Fox soccer announcer last night begging people to continue watching
soccer even though the US was eliminated, which we're gonna
talk about here. I'm gonna beg you to listen to
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Big twelve media days. We've got our sports legal expert,
attorney Stewart W. Penrose in the four o'clock hour. There's
a lot of ground to cover. And all right, a
lot of you called me names last night. We had
a great poll question, by the way, but a lot

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of you called me names last night. And that's okay.
I'm on your side. But I have a question that
coming up a little bit later on. You know how
with the Reds, you you buy in and they're gonna
do a rebuild, and okay, we'll do the rebuild. Now,
let's talk about some guys who are in a ball
or let's hear about their draft or let's talk about

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their farm system, or here are the players they're getting
in exchange for guys they trade away, and you hear
all about what the future is gonna hold and how
there's gonna be a payoff one day, and hey, you
know it's it's been a struggle, but our time is coming.
And then well then you have a season that unfolds
like this year. That's kind of what it's like to

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follow the US men's soccer team, isn't it. Like I
love the World Cup. I've got more into the World
Cup since twenty ten every four years. Twenty eighteen maybe
an exception because the US didn't qualify. I spent some
time in the office today watching this epic comeback by
Argentina against Egypt. And I love watching the US men's

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soccer team as a casual fan. Like to go out,
and I didn't go out last night. That is neither
here nor there, but to go out and be a
part of the communal feel of watching the US men
play that is a lot of fun. But there was
a lot of build up to the game last night
and an extraordinary letdown I feel like with US soccer.

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And this may make some soccer hardcore is mad at me,
although I can't imagine why. I feel like every four
years I hear about the potential. Like if you read
quotes from after the US's elimination game elimination loss to
the Netherlands last year, you'll hear a lot. You'll read

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a lot about potential. Here's Tim Reim the potential is
just huge going into this next cycle. Here's Tyler Adams.
Potential is just potential. But we could see that if
we maximize it in the right way, it could be
something good. The go to buzzword was potential, and yet
there's no payoff. Last night they got bulldozed by Belgium.

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And I remember watching FC Cincinnati losing to Enter Miami
and Messi in the playoffs last year, and the takeaway
for me, and I think the takeaway for a lot
of folks is like they stood around and watched Lionel
Messi and his teammates like stood there and watched. I
had the same feeling watching the US stand and watch

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against Belgium last night. You know, mind you they were
it was either even money a pick'em or the United
States was a slight favorite depending on your book. Last night,
and I know there are questions about the caliber of
competition versus who they were gonna play in Belgium. But man,
for all the hype and all the talk of getting
Balligan back, and you know, this was the US's moment.

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You had the coach throwing out the first pitch at
a Seattle Mariners game. In this sense that this was
their movement, maybe not to win the World Cup, but
to advance in the quarterfinals for the first time in
twenty four years.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
That's what it looked like.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
This this is what it's like to be a Reds fan,
because I've said the same thing about the Reds this year. Right,
you drag us through another rebuild, through another cycle where
it's well, hey, by buy into our our minor league talent,
buy into our potential, buy into our future. This is
the payoff. Last year, the buzzword was potential, the buzzword

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was future. And so four years later, that's what it
looks like. That's the payoff. Playing on their home soil,
getting a break by having their best player in the
tournament available to them. They get dog walked, they get
the clown suit put on them, and so like I
just I'm I'm kinda it's like I'm I'm out with

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the Reds and hearing about their unending rebuilds, and I'm
not out with the Reds in terms of being a fan,
not out with the Reds in terms of talking about
them or caring about I'm gonna care about this baseball
team deeply, more so, frankly than I do US soccer,
But like the unending promise of what's next in the future,
and hey, we're just we're not that far away, and
we have a lot of potential, and hey, here's our prospects,

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and here's what ESPN is saying about our farm system,
and hey, the athletic is ranking prospects top one hundred and.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
We have three. And there's never a payoff. There's never
a real payoff.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
You might say, well, US soccer made it as far
as a lot of folks said that this year's team
was going to make it getting to the round of sixteen,
and perhaps that's fair, but boy, it feels like each
loss in this stage. You know, they lost to Belgium
twelve years ago, same stage, two to one in extra time.
They lost in twenty ten to gone at two to one,

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three to one to a Netherlands four years ago, as
the Athletic put it for to one. Last night, despite
all the progress that came before, it felt like a
step backwards, which is exactly what this Red season feels like.
The United States men's soccer team is the global soccer
version of the Cincinnati Reds. You're constantly hearing about how

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things are. Hey, just it coming up next, right around
the pike, right around the corner, and hang with us
a little bit longer. Come on, it's gonna happen. It
never does, it never does. So deeply frustrating last night.
And you know, we talked about the Balligan thing yesterday,
which I thought was a really intriguing sports story, a
really intriguing just story in and of itself, and we

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got the outcome that a lot of us wanted, even
if the way we got there made a lot of
folks uncomfortable. And I will admit it kind of made
me uncomfortable, not because the President tried to get involved,
just because it felt like and feels like FIFA is
just making stuff up as they go along. But you know,
there's it's the biggest story in soccer, it's the biggest
story in sports. It was the story that led like

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Top of Hour on CNN and Top of Hour on
Fox News, and it was discussed on the NBC Nightly
News on Sunday, and everybody's talking about it. The United
States is going to get their best player from this
tournament back and then he plays in the game and
he's a non factor. Sure, Belgian's game plan and the

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way they played was a major reason for that. But
I'm watching it last night, going, gee, what's the big deal, Like,
they got this guy back. They moved mountains, tried to
move mountains at least to get this guy back. An
international incident is unfolding because of you know, needing this
guy to play, and he plays. And I said this
to Tony and Austin. But I'm watching the game with

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my wife last night, and she's like, all right, who's
the guy that everybody's upset about? And I point him
on the screen and she's like, well, how come they
never kick him the ball? Like fair question? So all
of that for nothing, All all of that to have
a dude who was barely a factor in the game.
I'm I'm not even entirely sure he played in the game,
except for my wife asking me and me pointing to

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the screen going that's him. You mean the guy who's
not even close to the ball? Yeah, you mean the
guy who's like never close to the ball.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
So it was disappointing, but it made me feel the
same way I do feel like when I watch the Reds.
With the Reds, it's the same thing. We've got potential,
Our time is going to come. Better days are ahead.
Just wait four more years, we'll do that with US
men's soccer. Maybe we'll do it with the Reds. Fourteen

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after three o'clock. M Oeger five point three seven four
nine fifteen thirty is our number. Eight six six seven
h two three seven seven six works as well. I
I have a a comeback to those who tell me
that the salary cat that baseball is apparently gonna have

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is going to bail the Reds out moving forward. I
saw a Bengal on a list that he absolutely deserves
to be on, and uh, he might be the guy
that I'm most excited to talk about this year. That
coming up a little bit later on, we'll talk about
paying for autographs the upcoming UC football season. How wide
open the Big twelve is? What's everybody in Frisco, Texas

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saying about how things have unfolded for the conference this
offseason with the Brendan Sorosby situation and a few interesting
stories with our sports legal expert attorney Stewart W. Penrose
at four thirty five. So, I said yesterday that Ellie
dela Cruz should not be considered untouchable. That's it. That's it,

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that's all. I said. He should not be considered untouchable.
And if the absolute right offer comes along, and I
don't know what that is, but like this, just knock
your socks off offer comes along, you gotta be willing
to at least entertain it and maybe pull the trigger.
I've got a poll question it's actually still active on
Twitter from yesterday thanks to United Heartland Insurance. It's interesting,

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about fifty percent of you. This is the most response
we've gotten to a poll question in the last couple
of weeks. About fifty percent of you say you don't
want Ellie de la Cruz to be untouchable, and the
other half of you say, yes, he should absolutely be untouchable.
So okay, cool, let's do it that way. Let's make
Ellie dela Cruz untouchable. Let's do it next on ESPN

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fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
It's PM fifteen thirty traffic.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Molegger. I appreciate you listening.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
Today.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
We'll go to Frisco, Texas in one hour. Brent Ormark
doesn't want to talk about Brendan sorosby the commissioner of
the Big Twelve. He didn't want to talk about him today,
which I don't think is a huge surprise. But we'll
spend more time on that and talking about the Bearcat
football team, by the way, a no brainer by UC
earlier this week. We'll get to that coming up in

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just about fifteen minutes. So you know, yesterday I mentioned
the trade deadline is approaching. It's less than a month away.
The Reds exited the weekend seven games under five hundred.
In recent days, they have been closer to having the
worst record in the National League than owning a National
League card spot. Every summer there's discussions of which teams

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are buyers, which teams are sellers, and which teams are
still trying to figure it out. And for weeks, you know,
we have been hearing folks discuss and reading columns and
having discussions among ourselves about whether or not the Reds
are going to be buyers or sellers, and right now
it feels pretty crystal clear they should be sellers. And
that is if you care at all about the Reds.

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That's deeply, deeply frustrating. I'm not sure that the Reds
have anybody that's going to net them much in return.
It does feel like to a degree, we over rate
the long term impact of getting prospects or younger players
at the trade deadline. I do think Tyler Stevenson is
interesting because I don't know how many catchers are going

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to be available, and he is at least serviceable. He's
like the greatest of all time when it comes to
abs challenges if that's your thing. But if you look
at the list of players that the Reds would be
likely to part with, I don't really know that there's
anybody who's going to get you that much in return.
And maybe that doesn't bother you, but the idea at
the trade deadline if your sellers is to get something

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of value, and it just doesn't feel like now. I
think what changes that conversation, and I think you would
agree would be Nick Loodolo pitcher who's in his prime
and you get an extra year of team control. He's
got a ton of talent, a lot of upside, it's
got to stay healthy. He's pitching well right now. Could
you get a decent amount back for Nick Lodolo? Answer

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could be yes, we'll see. I think it's frustrating that
we're even talking about that, But it's frustrating that the
Reds are forty one to forty eight. So I didn't
frame the Elli dela Cruz. Should he be untouchable or
not untouchable from the perspective of not liking Elie dela Cruz,
who doesn't like him at this point, or that I

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don't want to see him win here or see the
Reds build around him. All of those things would be
awesome if they could happen. But if we're talking about
the deadline specifically, and talking about the deadline from the
perspective of using it to bring in the most amount
of talent, then frankly, no one is untouchable.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
No one.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
If this is you know, unloadsome guys just to get
something for them. If this is just trade away dude,
so you get something someone a living, breathing human being,
well that's one thing. But if it's let's use the
trade deadline to bring in an infusion of possibly high
end talent. Then how is anybody untouchable?

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Now?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
None of us want to see the Reds trade Chase Burns,
none of us want to see the Reds trade Sal Stewart,
none of us really want to see the Reds trade
Elie de la Cruz. But if you're gonna look at
the trade deadline through the lens of this has to
be what jump starts the Reds into something extraordinarily better
than what they're dragging us through right now. And they

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need to use this to kickstart replenishing the farm system,
getting more younger players, filling out the roster better. Then
you're going to have to give up somebody of value.
And nothing against JJ Bledah, nothing against Tyler Stevenson, any
one of the relief pictures they may move on from.
But it just doesn't feel like any of those guys

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are going to accomplish that. So if now, if it's different,
if it's hey, Elliet should be untouchable, Okay, cool, then
you're making the argument we could upgrade the talent in
other ways.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I'm here for that. Tell me how that happens.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Five point three seven, four, nine, fifteen, thirty, tell me
how that happens. I think we would agree that with
the current state of the roster and the current state
of the organization, there's room from amultiple truths. We say
this all the time. On one hand, look, man Chase
Burns is an absolute stud and hunter green. While it's
it's frustrating to see him always get hurt, and it's

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it's frustrating to for me to to acknowledge his role
in what feels like a disconnect between him and the
organization in terms of injury, returning from injury, reporting injury,
that sort of stuff, but he is still a high
end talent and Sal Stewart's an All Star in his
rookie season. That that guy looks like a piece and
fine Elie Delacruz that there's a core there. There's okay,

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but we've we've established that, and they've they've had a
core of a handful of players for a while. They
don't have a roster that's good enough, they don't have
an organization that's good enough. They don't have a collection
of talent in the minor leagues that seems to be
good enough to win next year. So if we're not
going to use the trade deadline to significantly upgrade the talent,

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and we're gonna do so in other ways with the
roll of winning while they still have Ellie Dela Cruz.
I guess there's a few different questions to ask. One
would be, are we trusting the current composition of the
front office to you know, be intact as that happens.
Do we trust Nick Crawl, do we trust Brad met
or do we trust ownership? I guess you could also

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frame it from this perspective. If the idea is to
use other methods to upgrade the talent on the Cincinnati
Reds with the goal being to win as soon as possible,
yet not having any trade discussions involving Ellie Dela Cruz
or anybody else. All right, does that mean the Reds
are going to be hyperactive this offseason and adding players

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from other teams? Does that mean the Reds are going
to expand the payroll to the degree that they could,
you know, really look at the offseason, really look at
the pool of available free agents and be aggressive. Does
that mean they're gonna get really creative in uh, trading

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away the guys who are okay with trading and flipping
them for short and long term solutions. Are they gonna
get suddenly really good at fleecing teams? Are they gonna
suddenly get really good at exploiting market inefficiencies? Are they
suddenly gonna take a farm system which is viewed by

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some as sort of middle the pack and instantly churn
out a whole bunch of dudes that end up being
really good big leaguers that right now nobody expects to
be really good big leaguers? Like, how do we do this?
I'm here for it. I want trade away anybody who's good,
anybody who's fun to watch, anybody who's marketable, anybody who's

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Jersey your kid has, Like nobody wants to do that.
But the trade deadline is like the next mile post
as we flip the page to next year, and by
the way, the performance of the team in the coming
weeks can change the conversation. I'm skeptical that that's gonna happen.
But if it's, forget using the trade deadline to instantly
turn the page to next year and using it as

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a mechanism to make a lot of things much much
much better. Don't don't, don't make Ellie available at all,
don't make sal or anybody else available.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
At all awesome? How are we doing this?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I asked last week, like organizationally, baseball wise, what are
the Reds good at? One thing they've always been willing
to do, or not always but often been willing to do,
is hold on to players and let let their top
market value in the trade market come and go. And

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they've traded away established players. We went through this in
twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two, and it might
have made all the sense in the world to trade
those players. But if it's hey, we're not going to
trade the guys who could fetch the most back.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
All right?

Speaker 3 (20:00):
How does this get turned around quickly? How does this
get turned around? When you've got a roster that's a
mess comparatively speaking, not that many core components, a farm
system that's not entirely tap dry, but doesn't exactly feel
well stocked. How does this happen? Five point three, seven,

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four nine, fifteen thirty is my phone number. This is
It's about the trade deadline and how you view It's
about the trade deadline and whether or not you think
it could be a mechanism that they use to really
kick things in the hyperdrive as they try to move
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All three of these games in this series are night games.
Andrew Abad and Zach Wheeler on the Hill of the
Game live on seven hundred.

Speaker 8 (21:40):
W l W.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Your Red starting lineup for tonight. Ellie de la Cruz
is leading off short. Sal Stewart plays first. JJ Bledean leftfield,
bat's third. Uhanio Suarez is at third Tonight, Nathaniel low
DH's Spencer Steers and Wright Tyler Stevenson catches TJ. Friedelan center.
Matt McLean is playing second base and batting ninth. The

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rehab assignment of key Brian Hayes is being transferred from.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Dayton to Louisville. Keep Brian Hayes.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Inching closer to coming back. Florence y'all is hosting Washington
Night Washington Tonight the Washington Wild Things Soccer World Cup.
Argentina trailed Egypt to nil in the seventy ninth minute,
scored three goals, pulled off the comeback three to the
final score. Switzerland and Columbia set to get underway here

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momentarily in Columbia that I believe is it for local
sports headlines. We'll go to a Frisco, Texas for Big
twelve media days in just a few minutes. Keith and
Nickoson had this yesterday, and if he was not the first,
he was certainly on at My apologies to whoever may
have gotten it first, but I read that the UC

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football team is not going to hold training camp at
Higher Ground anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
And I had I had heard this.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Five six weeks ago, and to me, it's not like
the public goes to UC practices at Higher Ground. But
was talking with folks at the University of Cincinnati who expressed,
I don't know fear is the right word, but they
kind of believed there was going to be a lot

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of pushback to the fact that they're moving training camp
back to the University of Cincinnati and not going to
be going to the Higher Ground. And Higher Ground is cool.
Higher Ground is quaint. It's kind of tucked in the
woods there in West Harrison. It's the first exit right
over the Ohio Indiana border. It's not the easiest place
to get to if you don't live on the West

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Side or in Indiana, but it's it's accessible, and it
is like, you know, going into the nineteen fifties, you
do not feel like you're in you know, modern times
when you go to Higher Ground and you know there's
no CBA governing college football and so practices have a
lot more of an old school feel.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
But I told somebody at you See, I'm.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Like, I don't think anybody's gonna really care, and to
the best of my knowledge, nobody really does. And you know,
I'm sure there's something about, like, if you're a former player,
like you know the experience, younger guys aren't going to
have it. They just built a really nice nine figure
indoor practice facility and they also have an outdoor football

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stadium for when they want to work outside. I don't know, man, like,
if I built like this awesome new pool with like
a bar, all sorts of amenities, plenty of room for
kids to play, little adult area, I'm then probably not
going to have a membership to a local swim club.

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Might not be the best analogy, but it just always
made sense. I remember when they built the practice facility,
my first thought was, well, the days of going to
higher ground are probably over, and they probably should be.
Like the best use of your expenditure, and that's a
large expenditure that you raised a lot of money in
order to build is to have your.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Practices on campus.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
So there they are, and I feel like there was
relatively minimal pushback to that.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I could be wrong about that.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Uh, let's see here five point three seven four nine,
fifteen thirty. Let's talk to other folks, and maybe in
the interim I'll turn my phone off. Ron and Milford
go ahead, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty MO.

Speaker 9 (25:34):
How's it going, my friend?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Wonderful? Yourself good.

Speaker 10 (25:39):
Last couple of times I missed it, you were on
load management.

Speaker 9 (25:42):
So I'm glad that this time I got a hold
of Yet. I'm here, You're you're here.

Speaker 10 (25:48):
Uh Mo, You're as excited as I am about k
Brian Hayes.

Speaker 9 (25:52):
I know how I can.

Speaker 8 (25:52):
Tell your voice dropped real well. Thank god he's getting
bumped up to triple A.

Speaker 11 (25:57):
What would we do without Ke Brian Hayes.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Well, you know, probably the same as they've been doing
without Key Brian Hayes since he's been on the injured list.
But I think we I think we're both on the
same page when it comes to Key Brian Hayes. We
is here?

Speaker 8 (26:12):
Is he our Geno Stone?

Speaker 9 (26:14):
I feel like he's our genostone of the Reds.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
You and I we love it.

Speaker 9 (26:18):
We love us some Key Brian Hayes, don't we.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know, here's the thing. When the Bengals got Geno Stone,
I thought it made sense. Now it didn't work out.
When they kept Genostone after a year that didn't make
any sense. But I saw an as sending player who
you know, it felt like with the every year the
Ravens gave him more responsibility. He he, he took advantage
of the opportunity, and he earned a second NFL contract,

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And given the fact that Bengals needed a safety, I
understood it. It didn't work out Ky Brian Hayes trading
for him. I didn't understand it at the time. I
don't understand it nearly a year later.

Speaker 10 (26:56):
Well, they and you ask if anyone's uh untouchable. No
one's untouchable. Here's the thing, though, The guys that they're
gonna trade, like you said, are gonna be the JJ Blade's,
the Nathaniel Lowe's, the Stevenson's, the Pierce Johnson's, uh probably
brock Burke and Sam Mall and you and I will

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be excited about the one or two A ball players
they get back to these guys because as we know, oh,
those A ball players, they got a shot, one in
what a trillion shot of making the major leagues. Uh,
that's that's not gonna move the needle. But I don't
want to trade starting pitching either. And I don't know
that anyone's gonna want Nick Loodolo because he's as healthy

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as your as your good friend Hunter Green, which is
very unhealthy.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, I think you would find teams that would say,
all right, Nick Ladole, Look Niclodolo, who's twice been her
first round draft choice, who want healthy has been you know, good,
you get another year of team control. You kind of
gamble on the health a little bit. Does his does
his track record maybe bring down you know, the asking price?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (28:01):
But I think among all the possible trade candidates, if
we take Ellie and the quote untouchables off the table,
I think Nick Lodolo is the guy.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Now.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I think there's a world where maybe Spencer Steer you know,
nets something of value back. Maybe JJ Bleday does. I
think Stevenson's interesting because catchers rarely get traded at the deadline,
there probably aren't that many available. But if we were
to rank trade chips and we were to take you know,
Chase Burns, the Sal Stewart, Ellie, Dela Cruz, and for

(28:33):
now Hunter Green off the list. Although I think there's
a war where Hunter Green gets traded this offseason, I
think the guy who gets you the most back is
probably Nick Lodolo. That is maybe a reflection of the
other guys the Reds would be willing to move on
from as much as anything. But I think Lodola would
be the guy who got you the most back, MO,
how do.

Speaker 9 (28:52):
You think I was wondering?

Speaker 10 (28:54):
And I know I've probably got one question left in me,
but what do you think I'm the trade deadline? How's
it going to be affected about the by the looming lockout?
Do you think I've wondered that a lot.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I don't think that. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I mean, with the deadline, you're mostly not entirely you're
mostly talking about rentals, and so I think teams are
gonna go cool. I'll acquire, you know, I'll pick up
a dude salary for two months and then they can
let them walk. There may be is a player who's
on the hook for twenty twenty seven who's quite expensive
that maybe the lockout is going to make a team balk,
But I I don't know that there's going to be

(29:31):
a major impact on the trade deadline itself. I think
there could be a huge impact on how the offseason unfolds.
You know that the CBA expires on December one. Free
agency starts usually very soon after the World Series, and
I think that period is going to be relatively quiet
because assuming there's not going to be a new CBA
by then, there's gonna be a lot of uncertainty with

(29:53):
how things go down. And you also might have what
we had four years ago, which was there was a lockout.
I think it was first, and there was a flurry
of moves right before it. I don't know, but I
would imagine that if if you are if you feel
like our team is in the market for X, whether
it's a third basement, a starting pitcher or a relief pitcher, whatever,
it is the fact that there's so much uncertainty over

(30:16):
the CBA and a possible workstopage looming, I don't think
that's going to keep a team from doing business.

Speaker 9 (30:23):
Yeah, I was wondering.

Speaker 10 (30:24):
You think it would actually cause more of a flurry
because teams are like, we want to be in before
there's a lockout because may you know, may they miss
half the season next year.

Speaker 9 (30:34):
We never know how these things.

Speaker 11 (30:35):
Are going to roll.

Speaker 9 (30:36):
It could be ninety four, it could be ninety five.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Revisited Well, I guess, I guess here we're Here's how
I would look at it if I was a team
in contention. If there's a lockout, you're gonna alienate people,
You're gonna piss people off. Better to have them on
your side because you tried to win when you alienate
them than already have them pissed off when they get
more pissed off.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Ron I think I lost you there. You go go ahead?

Speaker 10 (31:03):
No, No, I still here. Can we if we throw
Adolo away, can we package Key Brian Hayes in there?

Speaker 9 (31:11):
Anything?

Speaker 10 (31:12):
I think any trade we make we have to make
that a mandatory trade part is you have to take
Key Brian Hayes, even if that means we only get an.

Speaker 11 (31:20):
A ball player back.

Speaker 10 (31:21):
Yes, we can get rid of his salary. That would
be great.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
If you want Nick Lodolo, you gotta take Key Brian Hayes.
Ron I am, I'm on board with that. I I
just when it comes to the lockout and the trade deadline,
like the lockout if it happens, which most believe it will,
and you could have a lockout and not miss any games.
We had a lockout four years ago, no games were missed.
The season was slid back a few weeks training camp

(31:44):
was truncated. But if if there is a real possibility
and there is, that games are going to be missed
and you might have a shortened season, you might have
a canceled season. If I'm running a baseball team and
I know at the end of that lockout, I need
people back on my side, I would at least like
to give them, you know, the sweet taste of victory,

(32:09):
or at least give those folks the impression that when
we are doing business, we care enough about winning in
order to try to win. I'm not making any sense here,
but why do Why alienate them before the lockout comes,
which is gonna alienate people anyway. Why leave people with
the bad taste in their mouths of our team had
a chance to win and didn't, and now there's a

(32:31):
lockout and maybe we're not gonna have a season next year.
I don't know that you would do that. Don't be
like the Reds in twenty twenty three. The Reds in
twenty twenty three, and the more they lose, the more
strikingly badness is. Twenty twenty three, they're in first place
on the trade deadline and did nothing. They acquired Sam Mall,
but they didn't all address their biggest efficiency, which was

(32:54):
starting pitching. Why because hey, we're gonna be we're ahead
of schedule, we're.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Gonna be fine. We're good here.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
And there was this whole BS narrative about, hey, the
clubhouse is so happy they didn't make any trades, and
it's like, that can't be the case. Don't do that.
If you're a contending team, don't do that. If you
know the lockout's coming and you know people are gonna
be pissed off because of the lockout, don't send them
into a workstoppage with the lousy taste of you not
trying to win when you actually had a chance. Twelve

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(34:53):
a team like the Reds and believe, well, hey, the
new salary cap is going to bail them out. And
maybe it does. But Number one, use history as a guide.
This is not the first time baseball owners have attempted
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(35:14):
attempted to implement a salary cap, players have said no,
and they have held firm in their stance, and we
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If everyone can spend the same amount of money, if
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(35:38):
to be there's going to be other currency among players
that matters. I used to make this argument when people
would get mad at super teams in the NBA. Now
the NBA had a salary cap, but also a max salary.
Nobody is right now talking about a max salary in baseball.
People would get mad at the super teams. And my
takeaway was, if you don't like super teams, then get
rid of the salary cap, because as long as everybody
can spend the same then other stuff is going to matter,

(36:00):
like guys playing with their friends, or guys preferring a
certain climate geographically, or guys preferring to win. That becomes
more valuable currency. Right now, I'm not sure that would
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Speaker 2 (37:48):
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Speaker 3 (37:49):
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Speaker 3 (38:02):
You are correct, my friend, no question about that. So
the Reds are forty one and forty eight. They are
careening out of control. A good Phillies team is here
this week, pretty good Cubs team is here this weekend.
They're running out of time to establish themselves as legitimate buyers.
As we get closer to the trade deadline, more likely sellers.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
And we've talked often about I think.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Relative to where we were three years ago, where the
Reds are right now is extraordinarily disappointing. And it's one
thing to have a down season, it's something else entirely
to not live up to expectation, not live up to promise,
and never be given a payoff. And among all the
different frustrations that we feel about the Reds, I think

(38:51):
that to me is the biggest one. That you're constantly
told to wait, you're constantly asked for more patients, you're
never giving a payoff, You're never given a good payoff.
I mean, come on, man, if last year's two games
against the Dodgers in the postseason maybe the most forgettable

(39:11):
postseason appearance in franchise history. Although the twenty twenty one
Reds would say, hey, hold my beer regardless if that
felt like a payoff to you. We just see things differently.
But it's really frustrating, right, this is not where we
were supposed to be. And maybe by twenty twenty six,
you know, the Reds weren't going to have a team

(39:33):
that was running away and hiding in the National League Central,
or a team that was, you know, in the running
for the top seed in the National League, or a
legitimate bona fide World Series team. But forty one and
forty eight coming out of the fourth of July holiday
weekend was never gonna cut it. If I would have
said to you in the summer of twenty twenty three,
that three years later you will have had no postseason

(39:54):
in twenty three, not even coming close to the postseason
in twenty four, making the postseason with eighty three wins,
and being dismissed very quickly in twenty twenty five and
twenty twenty six. They're gonna fit the profile of sellers
more than buyers. You would have said, no way. That
is frustrating. It's also frustrating that, like, the core is

(40:16):
shockingly small, shockingly small. So okay, Ellie is untouchable, cool,
Sal's untouchable, Cool, Chase burns untouchable. Fine, I don't know
that anybody considers Hunter Green to be untouchable. But we'll
still include him in the core because I don't think

(40:38):
he's going to be traded at the deadline. I think
teams want to see a little bit longer of a
track record of health. And by the way, his one
start was an abject disaster. Who else is there.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Now?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Rhet Lauder may still prove to be a very good
pitcher right now, Nick Lodolo, I guess could be concent
that are part of that core. Andrew Abbott, Yes, who else? Like,
look at the team next year. Start with catcher Tyler

(41:16):
Stevenson's due to be a free agent, who's catching next
year along with Jose Travino. I think we feel pretty
good about Sal Stewart playing first base. Who's the starting
second baseman? It cannot be the twenty twenty seven Red
starting second basement as of July seventh, twenty twenty six,

(41:40):
cannot be Matt McClain. Maybe it's Edwin Arroyo. Edwin Arroyo
has often looked understandably so because this is often what
happens with a rookie, but he has looked often just
totally overmatched at the plate. So it's it's either Matt
McLain or maybe Edwin Arroyo or whatever's behind door number two. Okay,

(42:05):
is the third baseman really going to be Key Brian Hayes,
bad offensive player with a bad back.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Okay, who's in the outfield?

Speaker 9 (42:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Maybe Noel A Marte is one of the answers. Spencer
Steer who's playing center field, and centerfield has let this
team down this year. Part of it's been lack of production,
part of it's been injury. And even where you can
you know answer pretty quickly with a name Noel van

(42:44):
Marte have proven established big league player, Spencer Steer about
as good as he's ever going to be. Edwin Arroyo
over there at second base have proven established big league player.
Like we've talked a lot about the roster from a
bunch of different perspectives. You know, the Will Benson thing
made waves this week, and partially because Will Benson's a

(43:07):
popular guy and understandably so, and at one point maybe
was viewed as a part of that corra, though I
think that time has long since passed. But I think
the frustrating thing about where the Reds are right now
is they cut lose Will Benson, who wasn't even on
the active big league roster, and yet you could have
made a very compelling case that Will Benson was a

(43:30):
better option to keep around than a lot of guys
who are getting regular playing time. So, you know, if
it's hey, this year hasn't worked out, turn the page
the next year. Don't worry. It's just been a bad year.
Nick Crawl's going to fix it. Tito's still going to
be here, which I think is interesting to talk about

(43:51):
who's on next year's team, who's on next year's team,
and how do they find upgrades from what they have
on this year's team, especially if like they use some
of the same strategies we've we've seen them use over
the last couple of years, where in the outfield it's
often been this just unending collection of guys who they're

(44:16):
either giving chances to, or maybe they're they ran out
of chances in another place, or they're probably a fourth
or fifth outfielder on a really good team, a cast
off from somewhere like JJ Bladay has proven to be
a pretty nice pickup. Let's acknowledge that, but when the
Reds got JJ Bleday, it didn't exactly make waves throughout

(44:37):
the sport. And while he has proven to be a
pretty nice pickup, I don't know that anybody is pushing
anybody else out of the way to add JJ Bleday
to their team around the trade deadline. Nothing against JJ Bleday,
but it feels like if if that's the profile of
the player they're going to be targeting and prioritized this offseason,

(45:00):
then oh boy, okay, then the results are going to
be pretty limiting. And like most of us were on
board with getting a Euhaneo Suarez and I thought, you know,
even if he has a down year, he's gonna hit
thirty to thirty five home runs. And he has been
a tremendous disappointment. But let's face it, a Euhaneo Suarez
was kind of the backup plan to the backup plan

(45:21):
if they really wanted to go get a guy who
was going to bring a proven back to Cincinnati, like
he's here this week, Kyle Schwerber.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
But look at the team.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
It is striking and this is a damning indictment against
Nick Krawl and only Nick Krawl, although I guess Brad
Metter works right underneath.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Him, so you can fold him into it too.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Look at this roster, look at the collection of players
they have, and okay, so Matt McClain has underperformed, and
three years ago everybody thought he was going to be
really good and that hasn't happened. Maybe that's not Nick
Crawl's fault, but the general lack of like a core

(46:06):
group of guys. Number one, that's why the team is
where it is today. Number two, it's why it's hard
to feel really good about next year's team achieving dramatically
better results. And I know I bring this up off
and sometimes it annoys some and if that's you, I apologize.

(46:29):
But like this process that the Reds started didn't start
in twenty twenty three. It started really at the end
of the twenty twenty season. That's when it was abundantly
clear the direction the Reds were going to go in,
and they really went in that direction in earnest after
the lockout following the twenty twenty one season. So years

(46:49):
of this process, years building toward the middle of the decade,
years crafting this team, years of trading players and getting
younger guys back, years of draft picks. Forget the twenty
twenty six team. Look at next year's team. How many
guys on the current team are you cool with being

(47:11):
on the team next year?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
In starting roles? It's remarkable how tiny the number is.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
You know, there's turnover every single year, and every team
has flaws, and you can have a team that's, you know,
charging toward the top of its division, headed to the playoffs,
and still have an area where you go, Okay, this offseason,
we've got to get better, or at the trade deadline,
we've got to find somebody better. Like nobody's asking for perfection.
But years of doing this going into next year, five

(47:47):
years since the one hundred loss bottoming out of twenty
twenty two. Isn't it striking? Isn't it striking how relatively
small the core is? And by the way, there have
been years we've done this exercise and it felt like
it's okay, not many guys at the big league level,

(48:07):
But here's who's on the come in Louisville.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
The list of those dudes is not very long. Or
here's who's lower in the minor leagues.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
The list of those guys isn't very long, and those
guys probably aren't helping in twenty twenty seven. So, like,
I'll fling it back to the conversation about Elie dela
Cruz in the trade deadline. Man, like nobody wants to
trade him. Ellie de la Cruz is one of the
you might argue, one of the few things that makes
this team worth watching if it still is. But if

(48:40):
you're not going to use the trade deadline to dramatically
jumpstart what's next to get a jump start in twenty
twenty seven and use it to really bring a large
infusion of talent, and the only way you're doing that
is by trading like a real guy. If you're not
going to do that, then how do you go from

(49:00):
where the Reds are to what they need to be
in one offseason? That is that is going to be
interrupted in all likelihood by a lockout. I don't know
if that's an answer you have. It's certainly not an
answer I have. I fear it's not an answer that
Nick Krawl has, And I'm not even sure he should
be the person answering those questions. But like I frame

(49:24):
it this way all the time, like if I'm Phil Castelini,
there are questions I have for Nick Krawl, And one
would be, like, you know, if we're doing a board,
you know in the office you see in sports teams
sometimes they have a board with this year's roster, all
the other team's rosters, maybe next year's roster. When we
look at next year's roster, like how many guys are there?
Why are there so few core members of this organization?

(49:46):
Why are there so few core players that we really
feel like we can build around what we have been
building toward this for years? Sixteen minutes after four o'clock
a very weird, I would imagine very weird. Big twelve
days given the environment around the conference, with the whole

(50:09):
Brendan Soresby thing. Plus you've got a UC football team
where I think it's your guest right now as good
as mine as to how good they could be. Big
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Speaker 2 (51:11):
How you doing, sir, good?

Speaker 6 (51:13):
What's shaking? Uh?

Speaker 9 (51:15):
Well?

Speaker 3 (51:15):
The vibe at Big twelve Media Day is interesting to me.
Interesting to me because it's it's been an off season
unlike any other. Given the Brendan Sorosby situation and in
two schools involved, I would imagine that is the dominant
topic of conversation there.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
In Frisco. What is it like?

Speaker 6 (51:33):
Yeah, well brett or Mark was asked about that right
out of the shoot and he said, this is not
the day for that, so you really didn't address it.
He did make some general comments about gambling and their
partnership with I think it's IC three sixty and everything
that they're viewing and how important integrity is and all that.
I've been able to talk to a lot of Texas
Tech people today, Koyek and as a kid that Cot

(51:55):
passes from Brendan in their spring game a couple of
years back and game in Lubbock, he had a handful
of touchdown passes. He's still in touch with him. Talked
to Joey McGuire, he's talked to him recently. I think
Brendan and family had a Florida vacation recently, so that
they're keeping in touch. I think he said he talked

(52:15):
him about like three to four times a week, so
they've been positive about it. One thing that stuck out
to me though from McGuire was when he was up
talking about Texas Tech, they're backup quarterback. He's not half
bad now and he doesn't even think he's a backup.
Will Hammond as a kid that came in for Baron
Morton last year against Utah and they won that game handily,

(52:39):
and he looked really, really good. And McGuire said, if
you were to ask Will Hammond who the starting quarterback is,
even when Soarsby was there, he would have said it's him.
So and they're looking at him to start the first game.
So I know you're not asking me about Red Raiders football,
but yeah, I did a couple other interviews with people,
Bell Bran than All, and yeah, he'll get drafted in

(53:03):
a year and life will go on. But just think
of what kind of a zoo would have been if
he were here. Yeah, I think that's what he was facing.
If he were to play, he would have been booed everywhere.
I think they just played one hand too many.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Does it still does?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I mean there's look, the Big twelve schools conspired against
Texas Tech. There's still pending litigation. I mean there's a
lot going on there. So is there this feeling of
like acrimony and bad blood looming over the entire event?

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Not really. I mean one guy said something to your market.
It's like, well, you've banned this from throwing tortillas that
Oklahoma State has these paddles and they make a lot
of racket and I don't know, you know, when you're
a media member from that town, you kind of have
to play to that crowd. I guess a little bit,
but I haven't noticed it too much. I think Texas
Tech will be up for that game, in every game,

(53:55):
and look, they're going to be good, but up and sortie.
They've got the best defensive player around, the best tight
end around. You know, they still have Cody Campbell and
you know Jed Clampitt's got some big bucks and that
makes for a good team.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
The Bearcats and I know their guys are going to
talk tomorrow. In this era of college football, we don't
have conference preseason polls anymore, perhaps understandably, so anybody that
I ask about the Bearcats, how good are they going
to be?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
There's no real answer. So do you have one?

Speaker 6 (54:30):
No? Now, Well, there will be an informal media poll
because there's a couple of riders that always asked me
to tend them a poll, so something will come out.
I think last year when they did it, they had
U see at number eleven, which was probably the best
showing that they had had, and you look at last year,
you know, seven and one going into November, the year

(54:52):
before that five and two going into November. This year,
if you look at the schedule, they really need another
fast art because they're on the road three out of
four games in November and that's not easy. So I
don't want to tell people I've seen Bearcats against Bearcats
in the spring Showcase. I think the receivers that they
have gotten in are even better than some of the

(55:15):
ones I've seen. Obviously the offensive line Tengistall, Joe Cotton
that they both made preseason first seam, Big twelve, Taren
Tios a Moose. I think they're going to run the
ball successfully. We don't know what Jasey French is going
to do. He's not Brendan Soresby. You know, maybe this
makes things easier for him, that Soresby's off the radar

(55:37):
for a little bit. Maybe, I hope. I mean, I'd
like to have a bit of a summer. I don't
know about you, trying a big vacation time in and
every time I turn around, it's like, well, what do
you know about Brendan Sooresby? Or I guess now it's
going to be Know, what do you know about Kirk
Creesa by the way, here comes prime time? Like walking
on to the he was supposed to do. He was
supposed to do a breakout session earlier and stiff everybody.

(56:02):
Oh well, no, nice guy. I interviewed him a long
time ago in Fort Myers when he was Cincinnati Reds.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah, well, well we'll send him, send him my best.
Uh what did we learn about J. C. French during
spring ball that can be applied to maybe forecasting?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Hell, ho'll do this season?

Speaker 6 (56:18):
I think he was pretty accurate. I think uh Sadderfield
hadn't mentioned that oftentimes he was willing to take the
quick dump and keep the six going rather than going
for broke and you know, going three and out. Not
that Sorsby went three and out a lot, but you know,
he did take some risks. I'm not going to throw
a gambling joke in there. I'll leave let to everybody else.

Speaker 11 (56:40):
But but J C.

Speaker 6 (56:41):
French, he was very accurate. I think he runs better
than people think. Thanks. I think I'm sorry, And uh,
you know, if you look at the last two years,
he actually threw for more yards and Sorsby now wasn't
big twelve competition, but it seems like a pretty good jet.
He's only six to one. That matters, you know. Zach

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Kolaris was six one, did pretty good. Ben Monk was
six one, did pretty good. Skyla's football. So I think
they're going to move the ball on offense. I think
the defense is going to be a lot better with
Nate Woody the defensive fordinator, and they're going to be
more attacking. But you know, we're not going to really
know anything, quite honestly, till late September when Kansas State

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comes for the first Big twelve game, because that's just
the way it is. You don't really have a grasp
on what's going to go on. And then the thing
that everybody wants to see is you see winning games
in November, something that hasn't happened since twenty twenty three
when they won at Houston.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I remember that. Well, you mentioned Nate Woody, new defensive coordinator.
They're not playing the three three five anymore. I guess
it's a question along similar lines to the world I
just asked about J C.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
French.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
What did spring ball tell us about what the Bearcats
may be like on that side of the ball.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
They want to attack more. Uh you know, rush the
quarterback more. I think Antwine Peak Junior is going to
have a heck of a year because he's really good
at attacking and dismantling the football and finding the football.
I think the defensive backs are even more experienced. You
had two picks. I think in the spring showcase. They
had two picks all season last year. I think Greggy

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Johnson had two picks himself. So uh yeah, they need
more interceptions, they got to get turnovers and and all that.
But they it appears they have more experience. They don't
have uh, you know, Jake Goldey anymore. But I think
the linebackers that they picked up are pretty decent. They
picked up slewer guys from northern Illinois that I think

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they're going to be pretty good. And uh Patrick Bauer
from Illinois State. Philip Matcheroski. I think the kid's name
is played some rugby. Those rugby guys are tough. Oh
they don't. They don't wear pads, so yeah, he he
looks like a tough kid. And then you you have
Jonathan Thompson back and Simeon Coleman and Brian Simms and

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so a fair amount of experience back at linebacker, and
the rest were just kind of waiting to see. You know,
I'd love to have a crystal ball and tell you
what's going to go on, but heck, i'd be in
Vegas if I knew that.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Last year it felt like bowl game or bust. They
did make a bowl game, it didn't feel like it
is this year being framed as similar.

Speaker 6 (59:29):
That's something I'm gonna be asking tomorrow. Last year, when
I talked to John Cunningham, he said, well, we view
this kind of coming around turn three, and if you
look at it, you know, INNU Marathon, they've gone from
three wins to five wins to seven wins this year.
If you're looking at that schedule, I'm not sure I
see more than seven wins. I could be wrong, but

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I don't know what they have to do to finish.
You know, I think they liked what they have intact.
I think they like the personnel department, the general manager
that they've been able to f and some diamonds in
the rough like Jake Goldey and I and UH might
say hi to me. Jake Goldey. You know that they
picked from Central Arkansas and also Jeff Caldwell from London

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Wood and finding guys like that. So I think there's
a few more of those guys that they found. But
you know, we're just gonna have to wait and see.
I hate saying you know that I don't know. We
have to wait and see. But realistically, I don't know
how people can predict all this stuff. I mean, Phil
Steele does a great job selling magazines. But how do
you know anything in April or May about college football?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Very good question. Well, I hope you enjoy Frisco and
we'll chat again. Thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
I appreciate you having me on. And you've got the
legal guy on next. So that's what sports is right now,
talk to attorneys. It's all about attorneys now. It's pretty
damn accurate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Scott Springer from the Inquirer and since a dot com
in Frisco. Thanks man, see you. He did the for
us our sports legal and we got to talk about
Kirk Creesa. Now that'll be fun with attorney Stewart W. Penrose.

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I'm excited for it today. It's awesome to have you
as all. We don't have to talk about Brennan Soresby today.

Speaker 11 (01:01:59):
But we don't the beauty of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Uh, we actually do have to talk about another former
UC player, Kerkkriesa. The well traveled college basketball journeyman Kerkreesa,
who played at UC at Kentucky, also Arizona and West Virginia,
is involved in a weird story. He is facing a
federal indictment for fraud. Can you explain to me the

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charges he faces?

Speaker 9 (01:02:25):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:02:26):
Before I do that, I just want to say I'd
love to be in a fly on the wall at
the UC Athletics department when they see this come out,
when they see the storesby Saga. You know, sadly for
us as Bearcats.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Mo.

Speaker 11 (01:02:38):
You know, everything that's been happening off the field with
UC is far more entertaining and newsworthy than anything that's
been happening on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
I can't argue with that. Hopefully that changes, but right
now that's that's an accurate statement. Night Kerk crees a
specific to him, the charges he faces. How much hot
water is he in?

Speaker 11 (01:02:57):
He's in a lot of hot water. Mo He's he's
in charge with five pounds of wire fraud. The allegations
are terrible. Uh, there's they're they're stating that he had
a four year online scan that defrauded two victims out
of nearly two point two million dollars. He apparently opposed
as his mother and some other people to one victim,

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staying saying that his mother had cancer and needed medical treatments.
There's allegations that he said that his family was in
danger and they're far needed urging financial rescue. So, yes,
he's in a lot of hot water over this. His
passport has been taken right now, he cannot travel back
to Estonia and flee the country. And he's got a

(01:03:40):
court date coming up in West Virginia next month on this.
So we'll see how this plays out for the young man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Is it a little bit more difficult right now until
we learn more to to determine exactly what sort of
punishment he may face.

Speaker 11 (01:03:58):
We don't know his prime record and some of the
other factors that may be. We don't know all of
the evidence. But you know, this has been in the
works for some time. He was apparently charged last month
and this was just unsealed. But you know, two point
two million dollars is a lot of domo. Yes, you know,
they're not going to just let this slide by easily.
So he very well could be looking at a prison

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sentence here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I don't believe, and he is from Estonia.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
I don't believe that, despite the fact he has played
college basketball at four different schools, that he is an
American citizen. In fact, I've read that he was planning
on playing professionally in Estonia. So how much could that
complicate his case?

Speaker 11 (01:04:38):
Well, the case itself, it's not going to complicate it,
but it's going to complicate his ability to be in
the US legally. If he's here on some sort of
non immigrant visa or student visa. You know that that
would be gone, you know, upon being convicted here, it's
a crime of moral supertuit. It's fraud. This could not

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only would he have to do his prison send him
to be sent us to prison, he would be deported
right after that. Mo and the potentially can have a
permanent band in the United States for life.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Speaking of complicated cases, there is one involving somebody who
recently went through a horrific auto accident that for the
last couple of years has felt like he was a
rising star at ESPN. He was somebody who joined our
show each of the last couple of years, Matt Miller,
NFL draft analysts for ESPN. And so I'm gonna try
to do this as best I can because it is

(01:05:31):
a complicated story. But he makes it known. He reveals
that he's in this auto accident, and I guess his
sister in law sets up this go fundme, and among
the injuries that he suffered, he ended up having an
arm amputation, so pretty extensive injuries. His sister in law
sets up a GoFundMe, and then a lot of folks
on Twitter they start talking about how he's defrauded them

(01:05:55):
of money because he's overseen these fantasy football leagues and
there hasn't been a payoff, and people who have won
the leagues haven't gotten their winnings. And there's been so
much of this that now the Missouri Attorney General is
investigating Matt Miller. There's a great deed dive on this
on Awful announcing dot com. So I know you've read
this story and become familiar with it. What possible crimes

(01:06:18):
for this guy could be in play here?

Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
Sure?

Speaker 11 (01:06:22):
Well, they're also a legend charity fraud that part of
these entry fees to these leagues, we're supposed to go
to a particular charity and allegedly that that charity has
been acted since twenty twenty one. There's no file tax documents.
There seems to be a lot at play here, and
you know Missouri's asking anybody who is a frauded by

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him or has any further information to contact them. So
he's in a lot of hot water.

Speaker 9 (01:06:47):
But yeah, he could be.

Speaker 11 (01:06:48):
Looking at certain wire fraud charges, fraud involving charity, misrepresentation
of charity funds. He can be looking at criminal charges
as well. Press on all but similar from mister Chrissa
that we've just talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Yeah, so could something like this rise is right now?
It's the Missouri Attorney General. So so could something like
this rise to the level of a federal offense like
is being alleged with kerk criesa.

Speaker 11 (01:07:14):
Absolutely, if this activity taken place in multiple states, as
it's using federal wires, absolutely could rise to the level
of a federal crime.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
We got an extraordinarily attorney, stearre W Penrose's with us
by the way, from the Manila Law Group, our sports
legal expert. We got a disappointing result last night in
the World Cup, and disappointing relative to I think the
hype that had been built just based on what unfolded
on Sunday afternoon and for much of the day yesterday,
where flow bowling against the play for the United States

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after originally being given a red card and the suspension
that came with it. The suspension was suspended, he got
to play. You got the president making phone calls. You
got FIFA with its typical lack of transparency, crazy story.
I'm curious for a lawyers take on everything that went down.

Speaker 11 (01:08:03):
I mean, my first thought vote was it's FIFA. You
know what do you expect Belgium and these other countries
that were upset over our player of Balagan being allowed
to play They're not wrong, They're justified in their anger.
I'm not saying that there was any impropriety necessarily that

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happened between Trump and the President OFFA, but certainly there's
a pretty clear appearance of impropriety. And let's just be honest.
FIFA has an awful track record. I mean, just look
up all all the allegations of what happened with how
Katar got the World Cup, how Russia got the World Cup,
their less the last president of FIFA, who who hung

(01:08:46):
around forever under scandal, finally ended up, you know, getting
out over all the coruption charges. So my first thought
of thought as FIFA. But at the same time they
said that they're you know, independent unquote judicial bodies made
this decision. And while I understand these countries, good luck
proving it quite frankly, and let's just be honest here.

(01:09:12):
You know, was it legitimately a red card?

Speaker 12 (01:09:14):
Was it not?

Speaker 11 (01:09:14):
I don't know. But you had you had Messi that
had a situation similar he didn't get a foul placed
on him. You had Ronaldo that had a red card
up and qualifiers and looked like he was going to
have to set up the first World Cup game that
didn't happen. So there's a little bit of selective outrage here.
But again it's CINFA. What do you expect?

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Yeah, and I think honestly that's been everybody's takeaway. It's FIFA,
what do you expect? Uh? If I don't have the
president working on my behalf and I need somebody, if
I'm an a legal pickle, how do I get a
hold of you?

Speaker 11 (01:09:49):
I love that setup. They can call us the Manilo
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We never want to see anybody in an accident get
the injuries that matter Miller had, regardless of whatever his
press transgressions may be here. But if you're in an auctionary,
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Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Awesome stuff is always my friend, Thanks so much, Thank you.
He joins us every Tuesday. Our sports legal expert attorney
Stewart W. Penrose from the Manilo Law Group. That Matt
Miller story he is. They've used him on ESPN on
Day three of the draft and sort of the mel
kiper role the last couple of years, and his content
has been outstanding. He obviously has gone through something horrific

(01:10:38):
with the auto injury. I don't know that my explanation
as to why everybody's mad at him did the story justice.
It's crazy and so go read about it. But uh, yeah,
for a guy who felt like he was like ESPN's
next big draft guy, his professional future seems to be uh,
to say the least, to put it mildly very much.

(01:10:59):
In j h thirteen, away from five o'clock. Uh, by
the way, we went to Frisco, talked to Scott Springer.
We got the audio of this Texas tech dude asking
a question to Bret your Mark, the Big twelve commissioner,
that he doesn't want to answer, so I will answer
it for him, because that's exactly my kind of guy.

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We've got to talk about untouchables meaning Eli Della Cruz.
I guess more coming up in the five o'clock hour,
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There's a lot unfolding here behind the scenes. A lot.
All of it is fine, all of it is okay.
A lot unfolding here behind the scenes. Switzerland and Columbia
have just started the second half of their match in Vancouver.
It is scoreless. We had a remarkable comeback earlier today
where Argentina came back from down two goals in the
seventy ninth minute to beat Egypt. To this on the

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heels of last night's See You See United States flop.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
There's no other way of putting it. There's no other
good way to put it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
It's a flop. It's a letdown. It was an abject disappointment.
It felt like all the momentum of the last couple
of weeks was put in reverse. It it felt a
lot like the Cincinnati Reds set at the top of
the show. US soccer feels like the Cincinnati Reds of
global soccer. You're always hearing about potential. You're always hearing
about what's next. You're always hearing about how in a

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couple of years it's gonna be so much better. There's
gonna be this great payoff to years of waiting. It
never comes. It never comes. We lose in the round
of sixteen. We get just absolutely dog walked by Belgium.
The game is not really competitive. We stand there and watch,
and I could say we because it's the United States.

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We stand there and watch. We don't kick the ball
to the guy that we move mountains in order to get.
We don't deliver a payoff for years with the Reds.
It's the same thing, right, Hey, potential, here are the
young guys. It's coming. It's gonna get better. Oh you
just wait.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
The payoff never comes. It's the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
I had the same feeling watching the US match against
Belgium as I have for years watching the Reds. We're
told to be patient, told to wait, told better days
are coming, better days on the r on the horizon,
the better days never come. And it feels like for
all the advancements that soccer has made in this country,

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for as much as there are folks like myself who
are watching and consuming that sport that did not grow
up with it, for as much as it has a
stranglehold on certain communities when it comes to kids in
this country, it's the same. On the global stage, no
payoff the Cincinnati Reds of global soccer the United States.

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We have spent a lot of time over the last
couple of days discussing the Reds and the trade deadline
and the question about untouchables, who are you going to trade?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
What are you going to get back?

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
And to me, when you talk about trades, I'm always
more concerned with who are you gonna get back? What
are you gonna get back? Is it gonna be valuable?
The trade deadline this year, if you look at the
list of players that they would be meaning the Reds
would be very willing to move on from, chances are

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you're not seeing a lot of guys who are gonna
net you much in return JJ Bledat may fetch something,
chances are probably not a lot. I do think Tyler
Stevenson is interesting because of Catcher. How many of them
are gonna be available? He is still serviceable, although his
last two offensive seasons I think had been profound disappointments.

(01:15:43):
Everybody wants relievers and so maybe they can create some
sort of bidding war. But I don't know, man, I
don't know that trading brock Burke is gonna net you
a ton in return. Trading Nick Ladolo might. So the
conversation about Ellie Dela Cruz being an untouchable is to
me a conversation about what are you trying to accomplish

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at the trade deadline? Is it just gets something in
return for guys that you really don't want. Okay, Chances
are whatever they get is not going to move the
meter all that much. Or is it to use the
deadline to bring in the most amount of talent possible. Well,
that's where you start to talk about Nick Lodolo. Nick

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Lodolo is often hurt, but what he's healthy, he's pretty
damn good. He's got another year of team control. He's
not uber expensive. There's still a lot of upside there,
then the conversation has to continue to guys like maybe
Hunter Green. Now, I absolutely do believe this offseason there's
a world where Hunter Green gets traded. What happened with

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him this offseason. I fear that it's opened even further
what was a growing rift between the player and the
team that goes back to about a year ago. But
he's gonna have to establish it at least somewhat of
a track record of health. And if he does that,
he's got a pitch better than he did on Saturday.
Who else can we include? Nobody wants to trade Chase Burns.

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If you want to say he should be untouchable, cool,
sal Stuart Fine. Ellie Delacruz. Nobody wants to trade Ellie
dela Cruz. We all want the Reds to build a
good team around Ellie Delacruz. But making him untouchable is

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about moving on from the guys who can get you
the most in return. Now, you might argue that's not
what you want to trade. Deadline to be about. You
want to hang on to Ellie. They want to hang
on to Nick, They want to hang on the Hunter
certainly want to hang on to Chase certainly want to
hang on to Sal Stuart, but build around them. Why

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should any of us believe that this front office is
capable of doing that? And to me, there's the ultimate frustration.
You get tired of rebuilds, you get tired of fire sales,
but you also get tired of watching the Reds not
be able to take advantage of the really good players
they have. Joey Vado, to me, is a pseudo tragic

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figure because he had this iconic Hall of Fame career
in Cincinnati. He'll never be associated with winning. That ain't
his fault. By the way, in the coming years, the
Reds Hall of Fame is going to be even more
flooded with players who played really well here, had good
careers here, who didn't win here. Brandon Phillips is already

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in the Hall of Fame, Bronson Royo is already in
the Hall of Fame. And the coming year is Jay Bruce,
Johnny Quato. Maybe further down the line, a guy like
a rold As Chapman, perhaps a Todd Frazier, Scott Rowland
went into the Reds Hall of Fame, or went into
the Hall of Fame after having played in Cincinnati. How

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many of those guys did the Reds win with. So
if it's hey, make him an untouchable, you're listening to
offers for a guy who feels like you just got here,
who's a really good player. He is not yet in
that upper upper upper crust of major leaguers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
He's just not.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
But he's still really good, still an all star caliber player,
amazingly fun to watch. I think he has shown tremendous
improvement in the field. Easy guy to root for, does
all the right things, wants to play every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Good good player.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
If you want to make him untouchable, you're putting faith
in a front office that doesn't deserve it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
That's frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
If you want to take the untouchable tag away and
let team throw offers at you, well, it sucks to
have to trade away a guy like Ellie de la
Cruz when he's got years of team control. It stinks
to have to resort to that. Right, here's a guy
we want to build around, but we can't, so we
have to see if we could flip him for a

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lot of talent like this. This is what comes with
never winning. This is what comes with unending frustration and
unending rebuilds. This is what comes with just putting people
like you and I through the cycle that we just
get churned through time and again. This team should be

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competing for something larger than third place in the National
League Central. This team should be spending July doing something
beyond just trying to scratch and claw to get back
to five hundred. We should not even be having these
conversations about whether it would make sense to make Ella
dela Cruz available, because they should have a team built

(01:20:56):
around him and Sal Stewart and others. It's contending for something,
but the front office is inability to do that. Has
this at a place where we're actively debating the merits
of leaving the guy untouchable at the trade deadline. That
is not a statement against me or you or anybody else.

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It is a damning indictment against this organization, and it
puts you and I as fans in a really hard place.
Trade them, Trade them and get a lot for them,
a lot of potential, a lot of prospects, a lot
of guys who aren't going to help you win right now,
a lot of guys who are worth building around in

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three or four years, and say goodbye to a beloved
player while he's still under team control. Or sit around
and hope the Reds could do with Ellie what they
haven't been able to do with a lot of guys.
Let's build a good team around him, one or the other.
I hate to say that it's beyond for trustrating, beyond frustrating.

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I absolutely believe you can make compelling arguments for listening
to trade offers for Ellie and some of those other guys.
I absolutely believe that it's more fun to talk about
building a better team around Ellie and those other guys.
But it is absolutely impossible to believe that the folks

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right now in charge of building a good team around
Ellie and those other guys are capable of doing so.
There is maybe not a more helpless place to be
as a fan than right there, right in that sweet spot,
right between all of those options. Trade them means another
rebuild means more prospects, means more uncertainty. Keep them means

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continue to watch the team waste them, because that's all
they've done to this point, and they haven't just done
it with Ellie.

Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
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maybe pick up the fifth year team option. If they
do that, there's a chance so Marius Mimms will end
up being one of the great bargains in the NFL.
There's also a chance down the road is down the
road that he could be the guy that signs the
Bengals next massive contract.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
We'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
But like Breakout Players for twenty twenty six, one, I
think could argue maybe for Miles Murphy just based on
how he finished the season. Now I would I tap
the brakes on that just a little bit, only because
there's such a large body of work.

Speaker 9 (01:25:46):
That is.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
The best way to put it, you know, just very
uninspiring with Marius Mimms. Man like, there's just there's a
portrays himself as somebody who gets it. He has had
his rough moments on the field. That'll happen. But boy,
I'm no offensive line play expert. But among like all

(01:26:12):
the players they have, some of them have a chance
to be really good, some of whom you may argue
you have a chance to be Pro Bowl players. I
I don't know if there's a guy on the team
I'm more bullish on than the a Marius Mims, which
I'm sure is gonna make him really, really happy.

Speaker 9 (01:26:26):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
We got to answer a dumb question from a Texas
tech guy coming up in just about twenty minutes. But first, Ian,
you're on ESPN fifteen thirty Ian, good afternoon.

Speaker 8 (01:26:36):
How are you, hey? Brother?

Speaker 12 (01:26:40):
I'm just.

Speaker 8 (01:26:42):
Man that the ringer of the emotions that the Red
put me through. I'm gonna kick this short because it's
just beating my head into a wall. Basically, dude, twenty twelve,
I was, I think twenty eight. In twenty nine, my

(01:27:02):
birthday's May second. That last time the Reds were like,
you wonder can we advance?

Speaker 9 (01:27:10):
Here?

Speaker 8 (01:27:11):
You had queto batoing them and I'm forty three. Now
are we gonna do that again? And do you think
it's gonna be any different if they just don't talent?
I don't think so. They don't need to do that.
They need to trade themselves out of baseball. I mean,

(01:27:33):
I'm freaking serious.

Speaker 12 (01:27:35):
Dude, I'm so stick and tired of this game that
they try to play. The conservative whatever you want to
call it. You know, I used to work at count
Country Club Circuit two thousand and four.

Speaker 8 (01:27:49):
I've seen all those guys that, you know, would be
the ones that just put it give it back to
these a family that owned the team, and give it
back to them. Man, they they could probably do better.
And to end the call, I'm just saying that there

(01:28:10):
should be some kind of penalty for ownerships that that
play these kind of games where they don't really really
try to play.

Speaker 12 (01:28:20):
That's like that show last One laughing. You know, you
try to just walk away and.

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
Don't really get involved in the game. You're gonna get
a red yellow card, you know what I mean. Like,
it ain't cool, man, I'm tired of it. But uh,
you get the point. I'm running around at circle.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Yeah, No, I mean that's that's that's what frustration makes
you do, right, I mean that's then that's that's there's there.
It's helpless it's helplessness. There's there's frustration that that like
leads to helplessness because like we've we've watched them cycle
through managers. Right two years ago was David Bell's fault, okay,
and and and we've we've seen changes with the structure

(01:28:58):
of the front office in baseball operations, and yet the
results have been very limiting. And like I hear from
people who go, look, it's a bad season.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
It happens. It's not. It's not.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Depending on the length of your fandom or maybe the
depth of your fandom, it's it's not. It's it's you
know you mentioned twenty twelve. Twenty twelve, they blow the
lead to the Giants. They haven't finished higher than third
place since they haven't finished higher than third place in
a five team division since twenty twelve. It's the years

(01:29:30):
of ninety plus losses. It's the tease of twenty twenty one.
It's the tease of twenty twenty three. It's the unwillingness
to make the twenty twenty one or twenty twenty three
teams markedly better at the deadline when they had chances
to make the postseason. It's it's the off seasons where
it feels like they make some improvements, but they never

(01:29:51):
really address some of their biggest issues. It's constantly being
told that better times are ahead. It's constantly being asked
for patients and never are getting a payoff. And like
twenty twenty three, I keep talking about this, twenty twenty three,
it felt like payoff is coming. There might be some
some rough roads in front of us, but payoff is coming.
Look at the collection of young players, well, look at him.

(01:30:13):
The collection of players they have from that team still
on the team this year are forty one and forty eight.

Speaker 12 (01:30:21):
Hey, I got one one last thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
What I know?

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
You know this?

Speaker 8 (01:30:25):
What did they get for Fraser and what did they
get for Queto? I remember it being sorely disappointing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Yeah, so for it was for Johnny Quato it was
three pitchers. Brandon Finnigan. Yeah, that was Cody Reid, and
there was another guy because he had really really white hair.
Uh it was it was three pitchers, and none of

(01:30:53):
them amounted to too much of anything. Todd Frazier would
have been Jose Perrazza and Scott Schebler. Scott Schebler gave
him one pretty good year, hit thirty home runs. There
may have been other guys, but I know it was
Parrazen Scheveler. But like, you know, that's going back eleven years.

(01:31:14):
You know, let's let's make it about when they traded
Sonny Gray, Juhanio Suarez, Jesse Winker, Yea, Luis Castillo, Tucker Barnhardt,
Tyler Mallley, the collective haul from those trades. Maybe the
jury is still out on Noelve Marte. Okay, Spencer Steere
has been a nice player, all right, fine?

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
What else? Who else? What else is there?

Speaker 8 (01:31:41):
The prom is game ownership. I don't care that the
Sun's taking over whatever.

Speaker 11 (01:31:46):
Dude, figure it out.

Speaker 8 (01:31:48):
This is ridiculous, that's all I got.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
I mean, Ian, you're right, I mean it's the common denominator.
You're right, You're one hundred percent correct. Like it's Okay,
you know, blowout Nit Crawl, blowout Brad Metaw or clean
house in the baseball ops department.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
It's the same ownership and that's inescapable.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Like ownership has a win loss record, ownership has a
track record that they haven't won anything. So, okay, you
don't trust Nick Craw, fine, I'm with you. But then
do you trust the people who run the team to
install the right people to deliver a better payoff than
Nick Krawl is delivered. I don't know that you could

(01:32:32):
find anybody who would say the answer is yes. Sports
headlines and we'll answer a stupid question from a Texas
tech guy coming up on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
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GABP Andrew Abbott and Zach Wheeler on the Hills seven

(01:33:06):
to ten tonight three game series. All three night games
against the Phills Reds are two and one. They took
a three game series back in May against the Phillies.
Your starting lineup for tonight stand by here. It is
Elie Dela Cruz at short, Sal Stewart's at first pladeis
and left Suarez plays third, Nathaniel Low DH's Spencer Steers

(01:33:27):
and Wright Stevenson behind the plate, Friedelsen center, Matt McLean
at second base. Key Brian Hayes rehab assignment from High
A Dayton moves to Triple A Louisville as he continues
to make progress from his back injury that has put
him on the injured list, and man, he has been
sorely missed. By the way, if you go to the

(01:33:49):
ballpark tonight, you may see an iHeart Radio dignitary that
you recognize and love. Florence, you always having a games
and I against the Washington wild Things. Argentina in the
World Cup came back from down two goals in the
seventy ninth minute to beat Egypt by a score of
three to two. Right now, Switzerland, you know I'm Swiss.

(01:34:12):
There should be the country I'm rooting for more than
any blood in my body. I have more Swiss than
anybody else. Years ago I did that twenty three and
me thing, which I think is legit more Swiss than
any other nationality.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
So go Switzerland. Right now, my.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Swiss team and Columbia are a deadlock to AD zero
in the seventy ninth minute. One day I will go
to Switzerland. I'm told there's a brewery there, the Egger
Brewery could be family members. There might be like this
in Switzerland, this whole like Egger family brewing empire that
I haven't financially been able to take advantage of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
So I got to tap into it. Go Switzerland.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
We had a I'm questioned by a Texas tech person
media member, local personality at Big twelve Media Days today
that I will, for the benefit of him and the
audience at large, answer in just about ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Right now. I got about three minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
Mike, who has been enjoying every second of this show today,
is on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 9 (01:35:21):
Hi Mike, fie Love, Thank you, good show as usual.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Are you sure so you're Swiss?

Speaker 9 (01:35:30):
That means you must make a kick butt fon due.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
I've never made fondue and I've only had fon due
once in my life.

Speaker 9 (01:35:39):
It's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Yeah, Well, I went to find.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
I went to fon do at what was at the
melting pot many many, many, many many years ago. It
just it felt like a lot of work to dip
some some bread and cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Kind of good.

Speaker 9 (01:35:59):
It's typical Cincinnati. Okay, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Am I wrong? Typical Cincinnati? Like I go to a restaurant,
put a meal in front of me, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
I don't. I don't want to have to do any
work here. We're gonna dip some strawberries and chocolate. Why no,
I'm good. I'd rather eat a sandwich.

Speaker 9 (01:36:16):
You should and put them in your mouth for you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Well, if I'm going to a restaurant, yes, I would
like some service. Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
And and if I'm sitting in a if I'm going
to pay a lot of money for a meal, uh,
some bread dipped and cheese, just ain't doing it.

Speaker 9 (01:36:30):
So in other words, you ain't gonna sit down at
a table in New England and eat cracked crab. But
you got to crack the crab.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
No, that's different, because that's well, I like crab.

Speaker 9 (01:36:42):
Oh. I love to bring up these in consequent.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Has anybody ever said to like, hey, another couple, let's
go get fond due?

Speaker 13 (01:36:50):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
No, nobody, nobody. I mean, it's it's not nineteen eighty six.
That strikes me as a very eighties ninety thing. Heart
we're good, hard passing hard has on the fond day.

Speaker 9 (01:37:02):
Big and Switzerland Big. They invented it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
They invented fondue.

Speaker 9 (01:37:07):
That's the best of my knowledge. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
And then by the way, you know, I remember it
wasn't cheap either, but I got to a nice restaurant
and I got it. The nice restaurant is I'm I'm
dipping some some some berries in in vanilla cream. I'm
all right, Oh.

Speaker 9 (01:37:20):
God, you're a trip man. Hey. Uh so that's the
salon is eighty years old today. You know how old
that makes me feel. I'm seventy four.

Speaker 11 (01:37:29):
He's got me by.

Speaker 9 (01:37:30):
So I was shocked when I heard that today. I
knew he was older, but I didn't think.

Speaker 8 (01:37:35):
He was eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Rocky's eighty.

Speaker 9 (01:37:36):
Huh Yeah, that incredible. He's probably a great shape too,
he probably yes. Yeah, Okay, let's look at this. Well,
I want to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
I got like I got like ninety seconds here. We
wasted too much time on fondue.

Speaker 9 (01:37:54):
Yeah, we did my bit. I'll just do the untouchable
thing real quick. If I'm if they cleared house and
I'm running the show, everybody's available. Everybody talk to me.
Talk to me about Elie, Talk to me about this Steward,
talk to me about this one, that one, Hunter Green,
I don't care. Talk to me about all of them,
because anybody is extendable. Because Ellie's gonna end up in

(01:38:18):
la in a couple of years if you don't give
him to stay here. And why would a lot of
these guys even want to stay here, play for crap
team to not have a chance to even get in
to get a ring. Ha ha, that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Well that's the thing, like, right, I mean, if you,
if you, if you acknowledge and most of us do,
that Ellie is not going to be here at the
end of the twenty twenty nine season, then you've got
to You've got to make a full faith effort to
win while you have him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
That hasn't happened. It hasn't happened.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
If you're not winning while you got him, then he
shouldn't be untouchable. Mike, I got a run, man, Thanks
so much.

Speaker 9 (01:38:53):
My pleasure, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Fun dude's just bad.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Uh, all right, we got to answer dumb question from
a Texas tech media personality.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
From the UC Health Traffic Center.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
A quick programming note. I am off tomorrow, but it's
not a vacation day. That's all I can say. I
know it's not a suspension. I am not hosting the
show tomorrow afternoon. I have a work commitment that interferes
with the show that is never supposed to happen unless
there are extreme circumstances, and I guess tomorrow is an
extreme circumstance.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
So off tomorrow, Chad Brendle fills in.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
I am back on Thursday, and then load management season
continues next week. Reds and Philly is coming up tonight
at GABP Andrew Abbott and Zach Wheeler seven to ten,
tonight's first pitch on a seven hundred WLW. The only
thing between now and August third that can happen are
for players to either enhance or decrease their own value,

(01:39:56):
or for the Reds as a team to dramatically change
the conversation about and after eighty eight games. I could
certainly agree with anybody who believes that simply is not
going to happen. Earlier, we chatted with Scott Springer from
Big twelve media days, and as you might expect, lots
of questions, lots of questions about Texas Tech. Brendan soarsby

(01:40:19):
that whole thing, all the schools conspiring against Texas Tech lawsuits.
It's been a crazy offseason in the Big twelve. Here
is an exchange from earlier today in Frisco. The u
SEE contingent, by the way, is going to talk tomorrow.
This is an interaction between Texas Tech media personality Sean
Dillon and Bright you r Mark, the commissioner of the

(01:40:41):
Big twelve, tarn go ahead and play the audio.

Speaker 14 (01:40:43):
Commission Texas Tech had got fined over tortiitillas, and tortillas
were banned out righting o issue paddles broken no ways
to make a rule has a tradition Nick Gazem showing
Sortsbee never played a snap for the Red Raiders. Big
twelve suit them anyway, while Cincinnati hasn't been yet touched.

(01:41:03):
You're selling greater than twelve. Why should Texas Tech fans
believe it?

Speaker 9 (01:41:09):
Could you say, let me come closer to you, stand up,
ask that question again, and I'm going to give you
the answer I want to give you, So go ahead.

Speaker 14 (01:41:18):
Texas Tech got fined for titatos and tortillas were banned outright.
OSU has had paddles that were given a noise maker
exemption back in twenty twelve. Stars Be never played snap
for the Red Rederators, and yet there is a lawsuit.

(01:41:39):
Cincinnati hasn't yet to be touched. You're selling greater than twelve?
Why should Texas Tech fans believe them?

Speaker 6 (01:41:48):
No, I didn't say greater than twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
You misquoted me. I said we're going forward is sixteen strong.

Speaker 6 (01:41:53):
And that's my answer to your question.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
But thank you for that question. Appreciate it all right,
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
That's Brett you or Mark and uh Texas Tech media
personality Sean Dillon. So Brett Ormark really didn't answer the question.
I will answer it for him, so you hurt him.
Reference Texas towards Tech, Texas Tech and tortillas and Oklahoma

(01:42:19):
State and their paddles now at Texas Tech, U see
played there two years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
It's two years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Its two years ago, and every time Texas Tech scored,
the students threw tortillas onto the field. It's fun, it's kitschy,
it's probably kind of harmless. But you're not supposed to
be able to throw stuff on the field. And so
the Big Twelve put in this rule that said you
can't throw tortillas on the field, and so either was

(01:42:47):
some pushback to it. So then they said, well, we're
just not gonna let you bring tortillas into the game.
Why because you can't throw stuff onto the field. The
Oklahoma State paddles are noisy, They make a lot of noise.
The students at Oklahoma State, to the best of my knowledge,
were not throwing them onto the field. Not that hard

(01:43:14):
to figure out. In terms of Texas Tech and Cincinnati,
he said, Cincinnati hasn't yet been touched because Cincinnati hasn't
done anything wrong. If I'm proven wrong, fine, This Brendan
Sowersby story has been unfolding for the better part of
three months, nearly three months. At no point has an

(01:43:36):
official NCUBA investigation been launched, has a notice of allegation
been sent out, and the NCUBA Committee on Infractions doesn't
have that much to do these days. Nobody is suing,
you see, because UC is not trying to play a
guy that would be deemed ineligible because of a rule

(01:43:58):
that he broke. Had Cincinnati had Brendan Soresby still been
at UC, and he gambles, he gets suspended, the school
thensues he plays for UC. I guarantee you. I guarantee you.
All the other Big twelve schools would have griped and
there would be a lawsuit. And the intention of the

(01:44:19):
lawsuit is we want to be able to enforce our
own conference rules, which the judge in Lubbing Texas said
the n c DOUBLEA, which has rules against gambling, can
enforce its own rules. The reason why u SEE isn't
being touched is a nobody has accused you See, and
by nobody I mean the n cnale A of any wrongdoing.

(01:44:41):
U SE is not trying to play a player who's ineligible.
They have ensued the NCAA to get a player eligible
despite the fact that the NCAA says he can't be eligible.
The lawsuit that that Texas Tech is involved in with
the other conference members is about the Big Twelve looking

(01:45:02):
to enforce its own rules, which the NCAA was told
in court you can't. This should not be that hard
to figure out. And I sound frustrated because I am,
because I granted not here, but time it again. It's like, well,
how come nothing for UC? Nothing for UC? Because nobody
has proven that U See has done anything wrong. The

(01:45:25):
only people who have said publicly that you See did
anything wrong A were acting on behalf of Brendan. Soresby
and B provided absolutely no evidence or proof that you
See did anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Had they?

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
It is my belief that with not that many NCAA
rules to break, that the NCAA would have a satellite
office in Cincinnati. And I'm stealing that verbiage from Shad Brendle,
they'd have a satellite office in Cincinnati investigating UC. Such
a thing has yet to happen. It seems like, and
maybe I'll be proven wrong. It seems like that whatever

(01:46:03):
questions the NCAA lobbed at UC coaches, the administrators, whoever
those answers were, to the NCBLEA satisfaction. That's why the
school's not being touched. This should not be, Frankly, cannot
be that hard to figure out, ain't that?

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Hard man?

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Speaking of Chad Brenda, he hosts this show tomorrow. Anything
you might have missed you can go find on the
iHeartRadio app which is a service of Long Next Sports Grow.
Go to Long Next Sports Grow tonight, get a cold one,
some wings and hang out watch the Reds if you want,
I said, if you want, we are back at it Thursday,
Thursday at three oh five and we'll talk to you
then have a great night. Thank you for listening. Thanks

(01:46:48):
to Tarren Bland of course for producing. This is ESPN
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