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Speaker 1 (00:13):
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Very happy Tuesday to you, Brian Thomas. Always please to
welcome with the fifty five Carrison Morning Show FOP President
Chapter sixty nine of the Cincinni Police Department's Union, President
Ken Kober, Welcome back to the fifty five Casy Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Ken.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It's always a pleasure to have you on my show.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Let me start as always by thanking you and all
members of the Cincinna Law Enforcement Kennedy for what you
do to serve our community. It's a huge sacrifice just
even deciding to become a police officer in these trying
times in which we find ourselves make that even more
of a commitment. So God bless all those who protect
and serve, and we do everything we can here on
the fifty five Casey Morning Show to support police generally speaking.
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And although there still is a significant backlash and anger
against police departments generally after the Black Life as Matter
protests and the defund the police movement, a person at
the spearhead of that was Kamala Harris. Now getting my
political ideology out of the way, Ken Coober, since I
inquire headline juvenile crime is down in Cincinnati. Law enforcement
says it's worse. So who's got it right, the inquirer
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or the police department.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, the interesting part is, you know, you can manipulate
statistics to say whatever you want them to say. There's
not really college forces. Colleges will teach how to lie
with statistics. You know, as I looked at some of
these graphs, and you know, you know, violent crimes cleared
by arrests are down. You know the interesting part is
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you ask any police officer that is dealing with juveniles
on a day to day basis, taking guns off of them,
you know, fighting them as they resist arrest, I think
they would probably disagree that juvenile crime is down.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, I know, we came off a pretty significant period
of violence a year or so ago, or actually it wasn't.
In January this top of the Ovenue was talking about
there were more indictments and another sentencing related to the
pedestrians that got attacked by two groups of teenagers. That's
fresh in a lot of people's minds. And I have
even talked about anecdotically, anecdotally speaking to people who I'm
(02:16):
never going downtown this is just crazy bunch of crazy
teenagers out there running in packs that are going to
beat the crap out of me or something. I mean,
that's a perception among many that are outside of law enforcement.
Of course, in law enforcement includes not just the police
officers on the frontline dealing with them, but folks living
in the various communities that are seeing it, and of
course the criminal justice system. So I've talked to Hamilon
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County prosky um a list of powers on this a
whole bunch of times, and she's id'd and named quite
a few illustrations of very very woke judges letting very
very violent juveniles out with basically no sentence and of
course most situations no bond in advance of the court date.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well sure, yeah, there's good doubt that that continues to
go on. Now if you look at you know, homicides
by juveniles are down, but probably is the case, and
that's something that's pretty easy to measure. But what it
also doesn't show is that these kids are still shooting
at each other. They're just not they're not actually shooting someone.
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They may be missing, you know, And that's something that
of course year to year it changes and It changes
with adults as well. You know, people are becoming more
proficient with firearms, or one year they're less proficient, then
that will go down because the fact remains. Most of
the times when when juveniles or even adults are shot at,
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there's just a lack of cooperation that will lead to
the police not being able to clear something within interest.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I see that. So your reports of shots fired at
X block, you show up there, no one got hit
with a bullet, there was in fact a gunshot, but
no one will identify the person responsible for squeezing off
the round. So case closed basically goes nowhere. Since there's
no harm, there's no criminal investigation, or at least if
you have no tips, you can't even engage in a
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criminal investigation. So that's not a statistic that goes on
the book.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I suppose, Well not at least is what's covered in
this because if there's no victim, right, you know, you
can't do a offense report.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, you can't pin it to a juvenile or an
adult or anybody for that matter.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Right now, they will still go and show up, and
you'll retrieve shell casings and process them like normal, and
then you'll be able to on the back end see
if this particular firearm has been used in other incidents.
So there are investigations that still occur. But as far
as having a victim and being able to report a
violent crime based off of that incident, you can't do
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it because there's no victim.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, there you have it. I mean, that's your quote
in the enquire and not if a crime is solved.
He said, so, so arrest don't always reflect a number
of severity of the crimes. These kids certainly much more
violent than they were ten years ago. You're quoted as
saying in the Inquirer. Is that a noticeable reality among
members of law enforcement that kids are simply more violent?
And do you have any reason to explain why that
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might be?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
A lot of it is a lack of parenting, a
lack of them caring for themselves, caring for anybody else.
If you grow up in an environment where you feel
like you have absolutely nothing to lose, you're not going
to value life. You're not going to value your own life.
You know, there is certainly, and I would love to
see the statistic as to how many juveniles are being
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arrested with firearms that has been if you do whatever.
The past ten years, there has been a huge uptick
in juveniles carrying guns, and not only carrying guns, but
carrying guns that are manipulated to be fully automatic.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Wow. Well, and that's an easy manipulation too. You get
that glock switch which are readily available out there in
the dark web or internet. Just just pull the trigger
once and it just will unload a magazine in a
matter of the second or two. It's that's frightening stuff. Fortunately,
they're not very good at hitting their targets. At least
yet they got some range time in. You could have
a real bloodbath on the streets. Ken, Oh, there's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean, that's the other part of the statistics that
they don't talk about with violent crime is things that
aren't reportable, like simple things like running from the police,
fighting with the police. You know, the juvenile court has
made it very clear that resisting arrest, regardless of how
violent it is, is not considered a violent crime really,
and that's something that resisting arrest is not a reportable
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offense per se, So that would not be included in
your violent crimes that are cleared with an arrest.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Wait a second, are there not laws on the books
that speak to a crime related to resisting arrests violently
or otherwise. I mean, that's on the books, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well, sure it is, but it's not considered a reportable offense.
So there may be a statistic kept for it, but
that would excluded from what this data shows because under
what the state law says and what people are you know,
juvenile court is saying, is that resisting arrest is not
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a violent offense.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, I'm sorry, I'm puzzled by that. My brain is
not processing that. How could that be if there is
a juvenile out there, and that juvenile you're trying to
arrest them and gets violent with the police, officer, punches them,
otherwise try to wrestle with them. I don't know that
sounds like a violent offense. I mean they're also interfering
(07:33):
with the course and conduct of your duty as well
in law enforcement. I mean that's got to be a
charge as well. I mean, isn't there a number in like,
you know, a two fourteen or something like that that
describes a numerically what resisting arrest is and why wouldn't
that end up in juvenile court? Not only were they
involved in criminal activity beating up a pedestrian that was
walking by. They also, when the police showed up to
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arrest them for doing that, resisted violently. Perhaps that's to
be a charge. I'm just.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, so it has a charge. There's little higher revised
code statute that's addresses resisting arrest. But the juvenile courts
position is that it is not a violent crime, which
is why we went down the whole rabbit hole of
the unofficial docket, because resisting arrest is is eligible for
(08:23):
diversion because it's they don't see it as being a
violent crime. Now, yes, the officers that get scrapes, bumps, bruises,
you know, and whatnot for fighting with these juveniles, and
they certainly have a different position than the court does.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, i'd imagine. So, I mean you think at juvenile
your brain may immediately default to some slight of build
you know, twelve year old or something. But no, they
make kids big these days. I mean that's running the
kids in there, you know, sophomores and juniors in high
school that tower over me. They're giant, full grown, adult
sized kids, and they could be extraordinary violent and do
(08:59):
extreme damage to a police officer. Trying to fulfill their mission.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, there's no doubt, there's absolutely no doubt that those
are the things that goes on. But those are also
the things that aren't reported. And stories like this that
suggest that juvenile crime is down, violent juvenile crime is down.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, it's also reflective of the children's hearts and minds
when they have absolutely no respect for law enforcement. Let's
see if they have any respect for well, the juvenile
justice system. Let's pause and bring Ken Cobra, FP president
back to talk about the treatment of juveniles in the
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FOP President can cover. Okay, so we've got jew does
word get out among the juvenile community that hey, by
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the way, if you resist arrest, then that's not going
to be something that you're going to be accountable for
in juvenile court when you're there.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean, that's these juveniles.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They talk to each other, they're they're smarter than I
think some people give them credit for. Yeah, and when
they're blatantly saying to officers, look, I know we'll be
right back out. I don't care. Do what you gotta do.
That's that's not sending a very good message for law
and order. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, and that's the jude. That's the judicial component. You
have Hamilton County Prosecute Melissa Powers, who'd be more than
happy to charge these violent young people, and you present
the charges, you get a grand juriyon Diama. However it
process works, it ultimately ends up in front of a judge,
and that's where we seem to have a bit of
a breakdown. The all important punishment leg of the criminal
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justice system is a deterrent for juveniles and everybody if
you do something, you violate the law, you commit a crime,
you harm somebody, you are going to be punished. It's
supposed to keep people from committing crimes. And yet if
there isn't that punishment leg that's something else that gets
out on the street. You mentioned the revolving door when
you were talking to the inquire about this.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know, I just recently posted a decision by Judge
Bloom on the FFP facebook page where a juvenile was
charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and obstructing official business.
And it was all relating to a report of juveniles
armed with firearms and a park in north Side.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
It went through the court system, the magistrate adjudicated this
juvenile delinquent essentially said this out did what they said,
did what the officer said they did, and found that
they were wrong. It was appealed to Judge Bloom and
in her decision she reversed all of the charges and
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the decision stated that this was all precipitated because of
the police.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
What so when you see things like.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
This going on and only further emboldens these kids to
do whatever they want because essentially this this judge says
that well, they may have thought you resisted arrest and
you ran from the police. But it's okay because the
police are the ones that are at fault for this.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Oh my god, these are the kind of things that
I'm getting calls daily from officers saying that, look that
this is another decision that came out of juvenile court.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
This is another decision. This was a trial court magistrate
that found that these kids were judicated to liquid because
they did the things that that they were charged with,
only for it to be overturned and the police blamed
for this juvenile's actions.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
On what evidence? Did she just make it up whole cloth?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I mean, it's all on video. I've actually I've watched
a video of it. It's this is the best what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The beating of the high school student Washington Park that
the kids suffered a traumatic brain injury that case.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
No, this this was a completely different cutno media notoriety.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Wow. Well, okay, let's just briefly talk about this one
because it was brought up in the same article Juvenile
judge Carry Bloom again handling the teenager beat a high
school student Washington Part so severely suffered a traumatic brain
injury apparently they had this on video, Yet she refused
to allow the video of the attack to be even
shown in the courtroom and sentenced the one of the
attackers to probation.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, probation for a florious assault for a
victim that is going to have life long, life altering injuries.
But we're going to give a kid probation for committing
these violent crimes.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, my listeners know her name now, it's juvenile Judge
Carrie Bloom and that's just one of a couple of
illustrations of her woke mentality when it comes to trying
to well deal with juvenile offenders. You got to get
them off the street. You have to show that there
will be punishment, there will be accountability. And word'll get
around about that too, won't it ultimately?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Can Jeez, that's the only way that crime and juvenile
crime is going to go down, as if we ever
start holding these kids accountable and I'm not talking about
putting them on probation and giving them a book report.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Or alternatively, when we go back to having nuclear families
with parents who actually care about what their children are
doing and raise them with responsibility. Morals and ethics, well, that's.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Where it starts. It all starts at home. It absolutely does.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Ken Cobra, I wish it was a more uplifting conversation,
but important information as we fast approach the November elections
where there are judicial races and there is a race
for Hamlet County Prosecutor. I hope we all keep cooler
heads and are on the side of law enforcement for
the purposes of protecting our community and not go completely woke.
Ken Cobert, It's wonderful having you on the program, so
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keep up the great work. God bless you and the
rest of the Sinsint Police Department, and thanks for all
that you do for our community.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Well thanks Brian, thanks for having me, and thanks for
supporting law enforcement.
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