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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A thirty here fifty five krcit the talk station. Roun
Thomas wishing a very happy Friday and welcoming to the
fifty five KRC Morning Show. I think probably the definition
of badassory US Marine Corps retired Major Fred Galvin, author
of A Few Bad Men, The true story of US
Marines ambushed in Afghanistan and betrayed in America. Major Galvin,
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Welcome to the fifty five KOSIT Mornings ShW. It's my
distinct pleasure to have you on the program.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Thank you for having me as your guest today.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Twenty six years enlisted Marine Corps officer, you went on
assignments in the Infantry Reconnaissance Force, Reconnaissance Marine Special Operations command.
Hundreds of combat missions you led, including raids, deep reconnaissance ships, seizures,
ambush operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Arabian Golf Golf
of Oman, Golf of Aiden. And you were selected to
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command the first Marine Special Operation Task Force to deployed combat.
And I don't understand what happened to you, sir. You
were ambushed when you were serving in Afghanistan. I want
you to explain to my listeners how that set you
up for what is revealed in the title of the book,
the Betrayal here in America.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yes, it's a really important Did the listeners know that
when we went into Afghanistan originally, and when I say
we am talking the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Our military went in in two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It was shock and all, and we defeated the Taliban
decisively right off the bat and it became just sleepy meadows.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
However, the Taliban and al Qaeda, they did a.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Resurgence training foreign fighters in Pakistan. But the other really
devious thing that turned a decisive victory into a forever
war was in two thousand and six you had then
Lieutenant General Petraeus as well as then Lieutenant General Mattis.
It developed a counter cergency doctrine not just for the
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Army and the Marines which they served in, but for
all of the joint services of the United States military.
So this doctrine became effective, and in two thousand and
seven when we went in, that was the new rules
of engagement and the law that we would follow. So
all the combat appointments that we had done in Iraq,
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all the ship seizures that we could do when we
saw and had, you know, bomb proof, incontrovertible evidence that
these guys are bad guys.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
A ship is a bad ship, we can take it down.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
As you read, you know, we had done hundreds and
hundreds of combat missions. Now you had to engage the population,
win them over.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
You couldn't. So we went in on this mission in
two thousand and seven.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I was the commanding officer the first Marine Special Operations
Task Force, and they put us into the tour Boar Mountains.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That's where we were operating.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
As we got into Afghanistan in the beginning of two
thousand and seven. But these foreign fighters, we couldn't go
into Pakistan, so they were coming across the border from Pakistan,
which was Pakistan was a training sanctuary, and they'd go
into Afghanistan on this new highway that the US taxpayers built,
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the very first highway in Afghanistan, and so the very
first town in Afghanistan. Compare that to Amazon Fulfillment Center.
That's where the foreign fighters would come in across the border.
They'd link up with their handlers who would take them
basically for that last mile of service to get their
jihat on against the Infidel and Kabba Kandahar wherever. Yea,
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So we had bomb proof evidence. Brian, there's four suicide bombers.
We knew the house they were in, but we were
still by this counterinsurgency doctrine that we resurrected from Vietnam,
the winning hearts and minds hijack the hippocratic oath of
first do no harm. So it required us to do
a tribal leader engagement, to sit down literally have chai
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with the tribal elders, hope that they would sucks out
and give us information on the Taliban in their village,
which never would happen. But so we go into this
village which we'd been through three hours before, and that
was the normal atmospherics of a roadside bizarre hustle and
bustle buying different items. Now this time there's a mass
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exodus of women and children. We knew what that always
turns into as a gunfight. Yeah yeah, So we get
into the throat of this town and we get blown
up by a van filled with explosives and shrapnel fuel
detonates right in the front of our patrol on our
second humbye. Then we get shot at on both sides
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from jihadis fighting out of vehicles and on another side,
Jee hottest informations that some would be providing stationary fire
while the other would bound towards us. They dragged a
vehicle across the road. Mobs formed at us where getting
strat from hilltop a sniper fire, and we did what
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American Marines are trained to do in this type of
a kill zone is we conducted a counterattack.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
And this was at nine oh three in.
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The morning, so there's no fog of war. We didn't
know what was going on. That's not the facts. I
was on the patrol with our marines and we counter attacks,
aimed in and killed all those that were firing at
us with their AK forty sevens.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Happened in very short order, but.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So we aborted the mission beause there's no sense in
having chai and trying to see if this town was
going to be giving up the goods on these fighters.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It just happened.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So we returned to the base Brian twenty minutes after
that ambush. We're back on the base. Our operations chief
comes and meets us and does salesman, Sir, this is
already out on the BBC radio that you guys have.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Killed women and children.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
And so then it turned into this which ended up
being the longest war crimes trial Marine Corps history, three
and a half weeks in a courtroom the following year.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But how they did?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You know, we're working for the US Army Special Forces
over in Afghanistan. So that's well, it's akin if you
brought your girlfriend home to meet your wife. They didn't
want this extra competition from this new Marine Special Operations unit,
so they were happy to kick us out, which is
what you know. The Taliban did this information warfare. They
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rioted in the streets and they all the way up
to President Hamid cars are condemning us. So the Army
was quick to kick us out. And then they turn
it over the Marines. And I'm sure your listeners will
never believe that. You know, the Marine Corps put a
three star general in charge of it, and at that
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time it was General mad Dog Mattis. He was our
convening authority, and he sent forty five criminal investigators and
four prosecuting attorneys to dogpile the seven of us who were.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
False accused in this case of.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Killing nineteen and wounding another fifty. They said innocent Afghan
civilians to include women and children, but the tactics that
General Mattis allowed them to use to include the prosecuting
attorneys dressing the civilian clothes, threatening to deport one of
our marines parents in this case his mother to Mexico,
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which they couldn't do, but you know, they tricked him
and he signed their prepared statement which basically nailed their
coffin shed. And they attempted to do that to two
other Marines this ethnic target, one of Egyptian descent, one
of from Puerto Rico. They tried to trick amusing polygraphs
and so it would show deception, indicated them they were
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coming after us with every trick in the book, legal
or illegal, and it all comes out in the courtroom.
And it took me, Bryan, eleven years to get the
courtroom transcripts declassified, many of them put out there on
different reports online and you can see people would freak out, Hey,
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this says secret at the top with a wine treatments.
It has been declassified, and it's in this book, so
you see it for the first time in one place,
and people are just shocked that how could this happen
to our own marines buy our own marine.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, but like I mean, the burning question here, major Cowan,
why did they do this to you? It seems to me,
I mean and unwinding how the events occurred. You go
there to engage and try to, you know, make nicey
with the locals and see if they drop a dime
on the Taliban. Find instead you get ambushed. You kill
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the people who are ambushing you, right, and you already
noted that the women and children had moved out, which
is an obvious indicator. It's going to hit the fan
and you know what it is. So it does you
defend yourself. And apparently the BBC gets information from let
me guess the Taliban side of the equation or the
Afghani side saying women and children. They immediately took it
at face value and printed it. And that's where it
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all started. Is that how that unfolded?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Okay, So remember well I'm just trying to draw patty
because you know, when hamasqu went into Israel and killed
and slaughtered women, innocent women and children, and Israel I
believe properly responded to defend itself. You know, we're, oh
my god, forty thousand people died women and children. Well
that was Hammas reporting that. It's kind of a laughable thing.
You're just going to take that at face value and
repeat it over and over again. Why did they take
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such strenuous efforts to convict you here in America for
this event when they could have just as strenuously argued
that the narrative was false.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yes, well, just like in the title of the book
or the subtitle ambushed in Afghanistan, betrayed in America. So
let me unenroll that for a second. Yeah, we expect
the Taliban or Hamas to use information warfare. They're terrorists,
that's what they do. We expected that. And just like
before Israel actually went in into the counter attack, you
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fell Tomas winding up, as they said on the International
Omni Channel media said, Israel is conducting genocide. This is genocide.
They haven't even gone into and conducted any attacks. So
you're already tilting your hand. But we expect that of
the terrorists, but we don't expect And let me explain
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the motive because I can make our connection here. So
let's go back to the last war that we actually won,
a war, not something minor, World War two. The Japanese
attacked us in Pearl Harbor. They attacked us with the
aircraft carriers, they had battleships. They had the largest, well
trained and most disciplined force across all the pic nations.
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And after they blew us up three and a half
years later, after the United States Marines and the Army
and the Navy conducted this as joint operations all across
the Pacific, raised the flag on a regima. We fought
like hell. Guess what we had an unconditional surrender on
the United States the USS Missouri midship on the surrender
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deck in Tokyo Bay. Unconditional surrender. Now, the Taliban was
using weapons designed two years after that war, AK forty
seven's and homemade explosives, and they didn't have any battleshipped
aircraft carriers, planes, they didn't have any of that technology.
But they brought us to our knees and put the
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largest most advanced sophistic kid Now we have satellites, we
have supersonic fifth generation aircraft. We lost to these guys
using rifle. Well, we wanted to do this, We wanted
by putting this failed during Vietnam, this counterinsurgency strategy the
Hearts and Minds campaign that failed in Vietnam resurrected that.
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But you when you connect the dots and say, hey,
wait a second, where is mattis now? Oh, that's right.
He works at General Dynamics. He used to work on
the board. I'm not saying working like he was the
same occupational field as me.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Infantry.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
All these guys are infantry, betray us. They don't have
advanced degrees in aerospace and high tech communication. They're not
doing anything involving AI. They're paid for access and placement.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, exactly like Conor Biden. You know, he didn't know
anything about Barissma or gas industry, but he knew the
right people and so he could hook him up.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I get that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
So they turned this into a forever war and they're
still involved in it now. And your listeners, mark my words, listeners,
there's going to be a war. There's going to be
a war in Northeast Asia. And if you love your
sons and daughters, your nieces and nephews, you need to
be very well aware of where all these generals are working.
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General Miley, he's not an investment professional. Why is he
working at JP Morgan? Is he picking out stocks is
you know, No, it's he has access and placement, the
same thing with all these The Chairman of Joint Chiefs
of Staff before him, Dunford, he works at Lockheed Martin,
the largest defense contractor in the world. Where does our
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current Secretary of Defense, who was a four star general,
where did he come from? That's right, raytheon. So this
revolving door of where all these guys go to, and
we could pull out of Afghanistan, which we did, and
you know, the tail wags the dog and they'll find
the next war that they'll tell depending on that we
this is a righteous just cause we're going to spend
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ountless billions of dollars in Ukraine and they did, and
we are spending so much money we can't even keep
track of this.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Moneyball military industrial complex. Yes, unfortunately, name of the book,
A Few Bad Men, the true story of US Marines
ambushed in Afghanistan and be traded in America. But my
guests today, retired Major Fred Galvin from the United States
Marine Corps probably served well. I guess the pride I
presume on some levels still exists in spite of the
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treatment that you receive from your country. Did you ever
resolve that in your mind and your heart and your mind, sir,
that once you got through all this and you were
exonerated and acquitted and we're able to tell your story,
do you get a better sense of your connection to
the country or have you been sort of scarred by this.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Both?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
But Briani have to, you know, in order to have
a fruitful life, and I talk about this, you have
to let this stuff go. And some people may call
me stupid or an idiot resiling. Right after we got exonerated,
went back to Afghanistan, fought again and served seven more
years until I was actually forced due to service limitations.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
They say you got to go.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I did come back and start my own business in
Midwest and then went back and served in the Marine
Corps as civilian. But our national defense is vital now
more than ever, and we're seeing a lot of these
radical agenda being injected into the military. You're seeing our
military disgrace as these Marines had bags put over their
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head in Turkey. We have a former Navy seal who's
still a US Navy or US Navy sailor apprehended down
in Venezuela. Yeah, you know, we're we are looked at
on the international stage as a joke right now, and
we need a strong military now more than ever.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And hopefully some things changed here in a couple of.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Months and we we had that respect restored.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Amen to that unders score bold in caps, major of
Fred Galvin USMC retired the book A Few Bad Men,
The true story of US Marines Ambush in Afghanistan and betrayed.
But in America, my listeners. I got a lot of
listeners in America's military, military families out there, and I
do everything I can to support military causes. You're going
to sell a few of these books, my friend. They're
going to be available on my blog page, which you
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have Casey dot com. The will be a link there
to take them where they buy it, and I'm sure
they will thoroughly enjoy the book. I feel like I
want to apologize on behalf of America to you personally
and everybody else on your team for being drug through
this ordeal. But you got stones, you fought through it,
and then you continue to serve and fight your country.
I think that speaks volumes to your character.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Sir.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It has been a pleasure speaking with you today, and
I know my listener is going to love the book.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Thank you and God bless you and your listener's brain.