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September 13, 2024 • 18 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Seven oh six fifty five cars de talk station. Look
at the German music. It must be because we had
returned into fifty five carssee Morning show. I call them
our resident German expert and expert in all things German.
Don Heinrich, Toltzman, d Gate and Zee. Welcome to the
Morning Show.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Gluten Morgan, Escape News Air Goacher.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Underba with you feeling Donk going well? Sir, appreciate you
being on the program, and I actually I think I
anticipate where you are on this particular subject matter. The
first one we're going to talk about is FC Cincinnati
demolishing those historic beer beer tunnels for their three hundred
million dollar expansion project. Aren't this protected historic relics? They're
done well.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
You know, I might protest my comments by saying, and
we've been talking recently together, we have a great brewing
heritage here and I've written a lot about German heritage
and a brewing heritage. Historically, were a major beer brewing
center along with Saint Louis and Milwaukee. And it's not

(01:07):
surprising that in the greater Cincinnati area we have about
fifty breweries that have come about and they're brewing all
kinds of great october Fest beer, and I hope we
can get together at one of these festivals we have.
October Fest Cincinnati is coming up in a week, the
biggest one outside of Munich. And one thing that should

(01:31):
be noted with all these great breweries we had here,
especially before Prohibition, they built some wonderful and beautiful breweries.
They look like castles. Unfortunately they've all been demolished. The
moor Line Brewery and over the Rhine near Filly Market,

(01:53):
the Hawk Brewery in the West End, the wado Win
Brewery in Newport, they've all been demolished, whereas another you know,
in other cities in places. Fortunately some of these have
been repurposed, but we've lost some great ones here in
our area unfortunately, maybe landmarks. Uh. Now. Recently, as you referenced,

(02:16):
it was reported that FC Cincinnati would demolish the Lager
beer tunnels in what was the old Lion Brewery. It's
on the southwest corner of Central Parkway and Liberty Street.
And I should say when you talk about lager beer,
lager was a German is a German word for to

(02:39):
store and age, and when Germans came here, all they
found was a top fermented beer called ale it's called
the common beer. And they wanted a bottom fermented beer
that was stored and aged, usually for about a month.
And more so they had they had had lagger beer

(03:01):
sellers tunnels underground where they could store an age the beer. Now,
the Lion Brewery was built in eighteen sixty six by
the vendors Milhauser Brewing Company. It was one of the
largest brewing companies in our area, second only to the

(03:22):
more Line Brewery. Later on, prohibition, of course, put a
lot of these breweries out of business, but it was
re used, most recently by Burger Brewing, but then that
closed down and in nineteen ninety three the main brewery
building was demolishing. I'd like to say something about that

(03:44):
brewery because I'd written about it in some of my books.
It was a wonderful example of brewery architecture. It was
like a castle. It had round arches called Romanesque Revival architecture.
And right where Central Parkway is now it was the

(04:05):
Miami Erie Canal, so it was located right there along
the canal. People like to be on the canal because
you could ship and receive stuff. I mean, you know
that whole area was defined by the canal became known
as the Rhine, and a lot of breweries were of
course and over the Rhine, but many were also in

(04:28):
the West End, such as the Hawk Brewery, which unfortunately
it's a beautiful building, was also torn down, and so
the Lion. It was called the Lion Brewery. And think
about this, the storage tunnels it could store their thirty
thousand barrels of beer. Whoa, but enough for many Logger

(04:56):
beer festivals, I would say. But these these Louder beer sellers,
there were rock lined vaults underground where they could store
the beer. Now, the reports which have been in the
media indicate that these Louder tunnels were planned to become
a restaurant or bar uh and there would be skylights

(05:20):
uh uh leading down to a stairway into space below
where there there's be a bar or restaurant. And the
reports that I read said this was supposed to be
a tribute to our brewing heritage. But now plans have
apparently changed, which ans to me like a bait and

(05:41):
switch game. Uh. Promise something and then change it. Uh.
The new reports indicate that the location of these stone
vaults interfere with plans for a massive mixed use construction
near the new the stadium, the FC Cincinnati Stadium, and

(06:05):
the reports that they need to uh remove these vaults
for the construction there. And so I should also add
that FC Cincinnati was responsible for the demolition of a
church building nearby that recently housed the Revelation Baptist Church

(06:27):
and was originally a German Lutheran church. So you know,
there there are a lot of structures and buildings that
have been demolished in our area that are parts of
part of the cultural heritage of our area. I know
many people for example, they talk about the alb uh
Theater downtown and there's other buildings. But once you demolish something, uh,

(06:51):
it's gone.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Can't And well, these historic battles have been waged, you know,
over time, and you know a lot of historic homes.
We should preserve that. And then while who's going to
pay for it? And that's usually what it comes down to, well,
who's going to pay for it? But this is something
that can exist on its own. It's there already. I
don't know what These vaults don't need maintenance and upkeeper anything,

(07:16):
do they They're just part of history in the right
there and just not being used. So out they go,
and then goes the new buildings and infrastructure. But I
want to go back to the point you made about
this is the bait and switch. They had promised to
keep these vaults. That the original plan involved maintaining and
and and upholding the brewing tradition of the city.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's what what I have read in the reports that
the reports were that the plans were to have a
restaurant and bar, that there red lighting and money was
described as monumental stairs leading down into that space. So

(07:57):
there apparently were those kinds of plans. I don't know
what happened to them, but yeah, the recent plans looked
like they've been changed. Now. You know, the beautiful brewery
building itself was demolished in nineteen ninety three, and as
a matter of fact, I wrote about that in the
Cincinnati Inquire that time at the time about how buildings

(08:20):
were being torn down and demolished. So what is underground
is just like the last remnants of the of that brewery.
And surprised that.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I'm surprised you can't coexist and.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
That you know, the demolition can be undone.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean said the case all the
time in terms of you know, in ninety early nineties,
when they when they knocked down the historic building, was
there a discussion about preserving it and transforming it into
something that people would use, like a restaurant or you know,
fill in the blank anything. There were their efforts to
save it or was just like one day was there

(09:00):
and the next day they knocked it down and in
favor of building something else.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, the parts of the building, the brewery building were
used that weren't torn down. Part of it was used
for the Cincinnati Ballet Company, so there were still some
parts of the building that were left, but the main
brew house was no longer there.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
But were there any efforts to keep it at the time?
Was there any fight, because we have these historic building
fights all the time, like you know, some win and
some lose, some get knocked down, some are preserved. I
don't know what factors or criteria go into the decision making.
My question though, to you, Harry Toltzman, is at the
time before they knocked that building down, were there efforts

(09:46):
to preserve it, whether it was an argument made to
keep it, or was it just no, it's going and
it's gone.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I think the decision was made at that time to
tear it down because of the it hadn't been used
as a brewery by that time for about twenty years,
I think, so the decision then was made to demolish
it rather than as far as I can recall, there

(10:19):
were no ideas or proposals to preserve the building. So
a lot of buildings were demolished. But you know, I
can understand that that if the plan changed now and
they want to come up with a new plan, I mean,

(10:41):
it's understandable then it would be very costly and maybe
to go back to this other idea of having an
undernound restaurant and bar and so on. But what I
would say, and I might want to mention too, the
tomorrow I'm going to be talking at the house house
in the west End. I'm going to be talking about

(11:02):
John how west End bear on it?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Well, Don I'll tell you what. I'll let you plug
that we come back because were out of time and
I want to hear a little bit more about what
you're going to be speaking about in terms of the
how KYU. So let's bring har Toltzman back for a
couple more minutes at seven to seventeen right now for
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(11:25):
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(11:47):
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Speaker 2 (12:00):
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Speaker 1 (12:02):
We're less than two weeks so well, and he plods that.
On the next segment, the owner of a brand new
brewery talking about Don Tolten here on the fund since
I brew in tradition, alive and well, he mentioned about
fifty plus breweries right now in operation and Hearthbury is
the newest one, so we'll hear about that next. In
the meantime, you mentioned you're going to be at the
John Hawk House tomorrow. He is one of the beer

(12:24):
barons you wrote about in your book Cincinnati Beer Barons
in the Golden Age Brewery.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
He was one of the great brewers in our area.
He brewed a beer that was called a premium beer
and had a magnificent brewery that was in the West End. Unfortunately,
that's now gone by The Hulk House is the residents
of the Hawk family is still there and it's maintained

(12:50):
and owned by the Cincinnati Preservation Association. So I'm going
to be speaking there tomorrow at ten thirty. I'm going
to talk about how and beer bearings, and also I
make reference to these buildings that have been demolished. And
one thing I might mention. I understand that with the

(13:15):
current plans in place, that they have to demolish what
is left, what is the remnants of a magnificent brewery,
wipes out part of the heritage, the brewing heritage. But
I would say this, Okay, I can understand the rationale,
but why not then make a contribution to amend for

(13:40):
the loss of this part of the brewing heritage. And
I would say, could FC Cincinnati, for example, make a
contribution to the how House that would in some way
compensate for the loss of all the brewery buildings that
we've lost here. People forget them, uh, And I appreciate

(14:02):
we're getting new breweries, but we had a great tradition here.
So I would I would say this, and I would
appeal to the conscience of SC Cincinnati, that is, if
it has one to make a contribution for all the
billings and the Lion Brewery in particular, that we have

(14:22):
lost in this church. I mentioned, uh that I don't
think they should be forgotten and just swept away and
the how John Howe was an important brewer. These brewers
gave back to the community. He for example, saved the
Cincinnati Zoo from bankruptcy when it was just about going

(14:47):
to fold and close down. He introduced he owned the
Cincinnati Reds. He introduced the beer being served at a
Reds baseball game. So think about that when you go
to a baseball and we say, for granted, you can
get a beer. Well, at one time beer was not
served at a baseball game. People were against it, part

(15:09):
of the Puritan Yeah, so he pioneered that. So I
mean what I'm talking about, what I've been trying to
record as well. Know we talked about many times there
are a lot of things in our heritage that should
of the Cincinnati area. They are important, and this is
why people come to our area because of our great beer.

(15:30):
We have here a great heritage, and things get lost
in the course of time. Some of them ought to
be remembered, and I think the Lion Brewery was an
important part of the architectural heritage of our area.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well, what time are you going to be at the
house house which is located for my listeners, it's eight
twelve Dayton Street, downtown Cincinnati, eight and it is a
beautiful Italianate home, so absolutely gorgeous historic home that's being preserved.
What time are you going to be there?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Done? I'm going to be there at ten thirty. And
I should also mention we have some great brewing memorabilia
collectors and a good friend of mine, Carl Grows, will
be there and he'll have some interesting, beautiful pieces of
glassware and someone that was produced by the how Brewery.

(16:26):
They're going to be on display there, so I hope
people interested in brewing heritage would come out. And I
would like to thank you too, Brian, for all you
do to help preserve interest and the heritage of our
area and all.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
In my mind it all surrounds fun. Anytime I'm hanging
out with the Germans or these festivals and doing anything
with the Germans, it seems to be a festive party
like atmosphere. And mentioning the word again Gamuti Kite, which
always comes up. Don Heinrich Toltzman, always a pleasure to
talk with, my friend. Good luck with that speech tomorrow
again the Houke House. It's located at eight twelve Dayton Street.
Jos Jrek will put the link air on the blog

(17:05):
page fifty five care Sea dot com. We'll talk again soon.
I hope don have a great day.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Thanks so much. Won't keep in touch.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
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