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Welcome back to the fifty five CARC morning. Sure, it's
a pleasure to have you on FLP. President Ken Coober Ken,
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how you doing today?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm doing great, Brian? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'm doing fine?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Saw Teresa DJ the police chief badgering the Cincinnai Public
Schools Sinceni school Board, trying to get them to, I guess,
engage in some effort to help deal with the rise
in violence that's happening at the Metro bus stops where
the Cinni Public school children gather to get to school.
This has been a problem for a while, hasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, I mean we've had meetings going all the way
back to January with Metro, with the City Manager's office,
the Police Department, CPS, and so far your Metro has
made significant contributions to try to.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Make this work.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
They're willing to do anything for us, and since anti
public schools have just sat on their hands and done nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, I tell you described the regular problems or you know,
you don't have to go into each every individual event,
but it's happened so often. What types of activities are
raising concerns? Are there fistfights breaking out? Are people bringing weapons?
I mean gangs? I mean, what's the breakdown here? What's
the main problems?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
You name it?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's a gamut.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You'll have forty fifty sixty kids fighting at a bus stop.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You'll have kids with guns.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Shooting at each other at bus stops. I mean, just
creating just chaos at these places.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And so then the police are called.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And I presume that by the time you get there,
the kids are already on the bus and gone to
school or the activities otherwise broken up. By then, how
are you responding to it without the help of the
Cincinnai Public schools?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, so, the police department since the first of February
has a four hundred and eighteen thousand dollars in overtime
for our Civil Disturbance Response Team, for our SWAT response
teams to be in these areas patrolling them after school.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Is this social media driven or I mean there's just
this general societal breakdown. I mean, you know, I'm an
old guy now, fine, Okay, I'm fifty nine years old,
and if things are different now than when they were
when I was a kid, YadA yad daye. Hear that
all the time. But I mean, I just kind of
wonder what is the impetus behind these fights breaking out
so regularly that this has become an issue elevated to
the attention where they're begging the public schools to do
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something about it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, here's the biggest problem.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And I'm sure it was true when I was in
high school, as that compared to when you were as well,
as we went to our neighborhood school. So if you
lived in College Hill, you went to ak And High School.
You lived over in Western Hills, you went to West High.
Now these kids can go to any schools within the city.
So what happens is we've got kids from different neighborhoods
that don't get along, you know, that will meet it square,
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you know, to use the bus service that'll be from
Evanston and Westwood, Price Hill and all of a sudden,
it's just a powder keg for violence because they don't
like each other to begin with. So now they meet
in a public place, and well, it's just a recipe
for disaster. If these kids went to the schools in
their own neighborhoods, they wouldn't be having this interaction because
we wouldn't have them traveling throughout the city on buses.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Okay, so it sounds me like you have a suggestion
for a solution built in there somewhere, because I guess
I understand a Chief theg's desire to have the public
schools intervene or do something about it. But here I
am if these kids hate each other merely because they're
from different neighborhoods, I guess I'm wondering what a teacher
or an administrator the since public schools can actually do
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to solve that problem.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, there's a couple things they could do. They could
go back to neighborhoods schooling, and you know, if.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
You live in like I said, you live in College Hill,
you go to Akin. But the one thing that I've
suggested that Metro was on board for that EPs just
refused to do, was if you have kids that are suspended.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Why are you giving them bus passes? They have no right.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
They're not going to school because they're suspended, So why
are you going to give them the ability to use
public transportation on the taxpayer's dime when they're suspended?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And also also why are these kids having bus passed?
Why are they allowed to be on these buses at
eight o'clock at night if they're not involved in extra
churricter activities.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Great question.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Those are two simple things that would cut down on
a lot of this nonsense because reality is, you got
two hundred kids out of it. I believe it's thirty
six thousand that go to since they public schools, and
you really have two hundred maybe three hundred bad actors,
and it's endangering these kids that are good kids that
are just trying to go to school because they get
caught up in this nonsense because of the two or
three hundred kids that likely are not going to school
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anyway or they're suspended, So why are they being afforded
the opportunity to use this transportation on taxpayers dollars?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Sounds to me like an effort to support the bus system,
because you tell me that the children they're insinside public
schools that are taking metro buses get an all twenty
four hour day, seven day week bus pass.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I don't think it's twenty four hours. Then it's certainly
just Monday through Friday, because you'll see that they have
fewer problems on the weekends because these kids aren't traveling
throughout the city on these buses. But I mean, there'll
be times where these kids are downtown it's past arc,
you know, and many of these kids that they run
into have been suspended already or they're not going to school.
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But then that brings up a whole other issue of sin, say,
public school truancy.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
They don't take attendance. Yeah, well, they don't take attendance.
Can't be truant if we don't know that they're are
you we don't know? Oh my god, they don't even
take attendance.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, the only positive thing I find in this entire
conversation FOP president can cover is that they still suspend
people for bad activity. I thought they may have eradicated
eradicated that in the name of diversity, equity, inclusion or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh, you can't punish a student. It's beyond their control.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
But if they are suspended, I'm with you, the bus
passes should be maybe taken away because they're obviously providges
to go to school been taken away. But now, as
for the Sincinni Public schools, have these proposals along the
lines of what you're talking been presented to them?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Have they?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Have they provided you with a response, because it sounds
like the silence is pretty much deafening right now.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It is absolutely deafening.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
There has been no response other than we're just not
going to do it, which is brings me to my
next point. If I've looked up the CPS board policies
under eight six zero zero point one, it says the
school board's primary concern is the transportation of students in
their safety, and then it goes on to say that
the Board of Education must ensure that all reasonable steps
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are taken to ensure safety, student safety, and supervision of
students during transit to and from school. Well, that's clearly
not being done. That's their own policy that I'm reading from.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, and I suppose their lawyers probably say, well, if
they're standing at a bus stop, they're not engaging in
during transit. Therefore, we have obligation before they get on
the bus.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Which is interesting and I'm gonna get gonna get with
some of these city leaders because apparently the state of
Kentucky hasn't acted some legislation that says if they're at
a bus stop, that's essentially an extension of school grounds.
I like that came straight from a that came straight
from a bus driver in Kentucky who just happened to
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see some of the things that were going on and
send an email to the city saying, look, why don't
you guys do this in Ohio?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
This is what Kentucky does.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You know, it cut down on a lot of their
nonsense that was going on at their bus stops.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So does that mean that the Kentucky schools, for example,
could maybe assign a school resource officer i e. A
uniformed officer that has been assigned to the school to
show up at these bus stops and be there while
the children are waiting for the buses.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
They could, but what's been suggested in the school districts
that we will not do this is have their staff there.
And the reason I say this is, you know, they
they've always been critical of the police in this pipeline
from you know, school to prison. Yeah, and when you
sit on your hands as a school district to do nothing,
and the only answer is let's throw the police at this.
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That's that's only making this worse. If we can get
these kids to behave themselves and do it without police interaction,
I think we're all better for that. Police and the
kids as well. Neither one of them really want to
be interacting with each other, especially in an enforcement the arena.
You know, they should be doing this as you know,
mentoring they are. Our Youth Services unit is fantastic. They
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do a great, great job, but even they're just beginning
to get set up with us.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well, I guess I'm just wondering if the criminal justice
system and being prosecuted and getting a record and maybe
spending time in a juvenile detention center or something is
not as sufficient to turn to stop these kids from
engaging a criminal behavior. Would the school staff being present
in any way, shape or form at the bus stops
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be a sufficient to turn to these kids, because you know,
I guess the threat of suspension from school. Would that
register in the hearts and minds of these kids enough
to them to stop beating each other up.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You know, at this point we're willing to try.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
And Okay, got it.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
What's going on right now?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I was just not working clearly.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, I like the legislative solution along the lines of
what Kentucky's doing, taking any guesswork out of avoiding litigation.
Pass the law that says the school by the Cincinni
Public School's obligation as standing in local parentis of over
children extends to the area around the bus stop, so
our children can be considered safe while they're there. Don't
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know what repercussions might occur if they fail in that effort,
but at least it would be their legal obligation, plain
and clear. Just take the idea of having to hold
my breath and wait for Columbus to do anything.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Okay, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Like I said, we've been suggesting solutions, and like I said,
the biggest part is the fact that since a public
just hasn't hasn't come to the table to try to
even offer any solutions.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
In fact, you know, as the chief.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And our Youth Services commander or Civil Disturbance Response Team
commander myself were at the school board meeting, the Chief
spoke and then the president of the school board abruptly said,
I'm not going to allow any more of your entourage
to speak.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We're done with this section.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Wow, which clearly they did not want to hear what
the police chief of the City of Cincinnati, our law
enforcement are safety expert. They did not want to hear
what she had to say. And that part of it
really is sad.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well sort of draws attention to the reality that we've
got a whole lot of really, really lawless young people
in our community. Maybe they're just trying to keep the
spotlight away from that. If a child is suspended for
behavior issues in a school, does the Sinsint Public school
ever take any efforts to outreach the family members, the parents,
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if there are any, the guardians of the suspended child,
to find out what's going on at home. Because you
know what, Ken, I'll tell you what. In my world,
it wasn't the threat of a criminal and involvement or
involvement with the prosecutors. I was with the police that
kept me out of trouble. It was the threat of
my father and mother and the repercussions i'd have at
home if I got out of line.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Oh, without a doubt, I'm raising two teenage boys and
they are being raised the same way that I was,
which is you're right. I was more afraid of what
I was going to get in trouble with my parents,
yea was with the school district. I just don't know
that that's going on, and you know that brings up,
of course, a bigger issue is, you know, the lack
of parenting at home. You know the chief talked about
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it at the board meeting. Is there we're gonna start
holding these parents accountable? Then if no one wants to
hold kids accountable, the justice system doesn't want to, the
school district doesn't want to, then I guess the answer
is we'll start holding these adults accountable for their kids' actions.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well happening all over this country in terms of children
getting involved in shooting incidents. Parents are brought into court
and they're found responsible because they were negligent in their
handling and keeping the firearms at home, or they negligently
provided a young person who does not have the lawful
right to carry one with one. So it sounds like
a nice extension of that. As much as I hate
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doing that, but if someone's at home not caring about
what their children are doing, or where they are at
any given time a day. There's got to be accountability
somewhere and maybe that's the way to solve society's larger problem.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, I mean, they've got to do something, like I said,
throwing this problem at the feet of the police. It's
only going to end tragically, you know, if we don't
get these kids under control, if everybody doesn't come together
to find these solutions. The reality is these officers, who
are very very well trained, they're very very experienced, are
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going to end up encountering one of these kids with
a firearm and we know how that typically is going
to end, and it's not going to be well.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And that's since January when this has all started.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Have brought all this stuff to the forefront to try
to get solutions so we can prevent these things from happening,
and so far.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That just hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, it would be a little more refreshing if the
school board actually seemed to have some measure of concern
and some interest in helping, whatever help that might be.
I think every little bit counts. As you know, well,
God bless you and everybody else on the Cincinni Police Department.
You know, my listeners and I have your backs and
do anything we can in the name of law and
order and bettering our community. And maybe the parents should
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tell you a care a little bit more about what
their children are doing, and maybe engage in a pressure
campaign on the City of Cincinnati's school board to help out.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Just the thought that would be great outreach. Folks. You
got to get engaged. Ken, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention
and the listener's attention, and to the extent there's anything
else for more messaging you want to get out there,
You're always welcome here on the fifty five Carecen Morning Show.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Well, thanks, Brian, thanks for having me anytime.
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