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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The bok About AIRCD talk station Happy Friday maybe an
extra special Happy an early appearance by all of our
mutual friends. Briga McGown from the Hudson Institute and I
hope you follow his podcast, It's charged community Conversations. He
is an expert on energy policy. He's got an extensive
background in that, and he was just in New York
(00:20):
on an energy policy issues having a discussion with an
Obama Harris side of the Ledger green new deal kind
of crap kind of thing. Brig him, it's great having
you in studio. You can find his organization online at
Hudson dot or also a professor at Miami Universe. All
that is correct, I try to be a left that
a whole lot if whatever your whole background, will be
(00:41):
doing a full hour of just talking about all that
you've done over the course of your life. So just
you know you do it. You do have the requisite
skills and knowledge and expertise to speak on energy policy, which.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Is why you were invited to New York in the
first place. Well, thank you very much. It's an honor
to be with you. Although I think this is probably
the earliest appearance I've done yet.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
But good for you getting up every once in a
while breaking you got to you gotta start your coffee earlier, though,
don't wait until six oh six when we're here to
start drinking your coffee, which you just did. Going anyhow,
So what did you learn in New York? It is
so obvious by the out loud statements she's made, as
(01:19):
well as her background, her on the record expressions of
concern over climate change or whatever. Kamala Harris is all in.
Whether you can pin her down on banning fracking or not.
That doesn't play well in Pennsylvania, as you know. But
she seems to be all over the board. But in true,
in point of fact, she embraces this stuff and the subsidies,
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and she broadly takes credit for the so called Green
New Deal that cost us so many trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, she does. And let's remember when she was President
of the Senate. As the vice President, she cast a
lot of tie breaking votes, including spending all this money
on the Green New Deal known as the Inflation Reduction Act.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah yeah, and that's probably got to go down in
history as the most inappropriately inaccurate name for any piece
of legislation I know. They do it all the time.
But what the hell did that have to do with
reducing inflation? It was an inflation inducing bill.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, it is, just it was just a massive spending
bill in part which field a lot of this inflation
we've been dealing with.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, and of course the other component of this, and
not too many people I think care as much about
it as I do. But you go all the way
back to Obama and number A one twenty three and
Solindra all part of this you know, growing agenda. They
were given taxpayer dollars to support their good or service
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or whatever the hell they were providing, and they failed epically.
That was government picking the winners and losers to the
exclusion of maybe hundreds of other companies doing what those
two companies were planning on doing. But how is it
that they won the contracts and got the American taxpayer
dollars and ended up serving as a great illustration of
why that is a terrible thing. Market forces would have
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allowed competition to be selected based upon the well, the
merit of whatever they were doing. You know, Oh that
actually works, Let's go with that one.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You know, absolutely, you know, and you've just pointed out
something that's that's very important. If it's a terrible idea.
If it's not gonna work, it's not gonna work. That's
the whole point. If businesses either succeed or fail based
on the product or service they deliver that people want
at a cost competitive price. If you do that, and
(03:37):
I'm a small business guy, you stay in business. You
don't do that, you go out. Except when the government says, oh,
that's okay, well here here's here's one hundred million. You're
still going to go out of business. It's just going
to take a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Right. You got to burn through the one hundred million,
and then you close shop. Right.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Well.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And the other point is, even with all of these
incentives that government is pouring into, like, for example, the
electric vehicle industry, you can lead a horse to water,
but you can't make them drink. Brother, if you don't
want to buy an EV, a government can't make you
buy an EV unless the government, through its actions, bans
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the internal combustion engine, which through CAFE standards, is their
stated goal. You can't have I mean, if they take
emissions and you know the laws of physics and the
reality of the internal combustion engine. There's only so much
you can remove in terms of the tailpipe. But it's
a preferable and more efficient and I would say more
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affordable choice to buy an internal combustion engine.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, it absolutely is. And if we took these folks
at their word, and let's just all pretend that carbon
is the enemy of the Earth and we have to
get rid of it all.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Overnight, suspending reality to do that. But okay, we're playing
a game and pretend.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay, well, then you say, look, our goal is to
red use the amount of carbon we're putting in the air,
and we have to be cleaner. Okay, Well, then let
industry figure out how to do that, and you can
use different types of fuels while still using the internal
combustion engine to achieve that goal.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yes, through negation of let's say carbon output at oh,
I don't know, a natural gas plant and replacing it
with you know what's come and Brigham a nuclear plant.
There we go. You're going to remove all the carbon
and it's a minimal amount from a natural gas plant
compared to the cold days, right, but you get rid
of that, and that would allow us to keep our
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internal combustion engines because overall, you've reduced that carbon output.
That doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That is that's absolutely correct, and I think we all
want cleaner air. And there are there are harmful emissions
that can cause asthma or increase allergies, cause breathing problems.
Those are the things we should be concentrating on. But
eaving that aside for a minute, nuclear it's where we
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need to be. And you know, if we stacked up
all of the nuclear waste, which some people complain about,
it would fit on a football field less than twelve
feet high. I said, from the entire country since nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Whatever, all of it. And let me go ahead and
say this out loud because of my submariner friend Cribbage
Mike is out listening. He will also be the first
person to point out that I think all of the
ships in the Navy have been nuclear powered since what
the late nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties. They haven't had any
problems with any of.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Them, well, all of the submarines and all the aircraft. Yeah,
all the aircraft carriers since the late sixties, early seventies.
Some of the smaller ships know, but they're actually powered
by aircraft jetting since no kidding.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah yeah, well but it works.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It does work, and so we've got this new concept
and Navy folks like myself will kind of snicker and
go out, it's not really new. Small modular nuclear reactors SMRs. Well,
that's what the Navy's been putting in ships and submarines
for four decades.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Right right, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's obviously the aircraft
carriers are not run on a fuel supply that's built
on something the size of three mile island. You know,
it's small, it's compact, and it works. It works, and
they have more than one in some cases. But what
we want to do, and this is where I have
to admit, the nuclear industry has been its own worst
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enemy at times because every reactor that we have operating
in this country, no two are alike. That's the problem
with the costs, or that's what creates the cost problems.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It is.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And then we have a federal agency, nuclear regulatory agency
that's spent its entire life trying not to permit a
react Their job is to permit no nuclear license.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
These things enemy, there's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So the idea is we start to carbon copying these
things and they are pretty small. I mean they're they're
not going to fit inside this room, they're not going
to fit inside your garage. But comparing to large scale
they are smaller. So the idea is you replicate these
things one after another. The design is licensed, so you
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don't have to go through all that each time, and
they're plug and play. You can even know you need
more than one. Okay here three.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Right next to each other, right or spread around different
geographical areas among any population center. At the bottom line
is they're much easier to build and one size can
fit all just depending on you know, if you got
the land and the I guess the locations swell to
to the power lines. But you know, if you're shutting
down a gas or a prior coal fire plant, you
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just build it right there on next to that space
and all your transmission lines are right there.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's all set up, and you know you can do that.
And I've kind of wondered, like I remember down in Moscow, Ohio. Yeah,
just put one there.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Absolutely, just don't do the did in Fukushima build it
in a tsunami zone.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I mean that the plants problem, that was a people
engineering problem. Yeah, Like who's the idiot who chose this?
What do they want?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
A scenic landscape so they could look out over the
ocean when they went to work. Oh, by the way,
we do have tsunamis in Japan and that's in the
tsunami zone. Do you guys ever consider that might want
to build it a little higher? Yeah, it's crazy, It
is crazy. All right, Well, I'll tell you what. Let's
stop here because I want to find out because when
you're at New York it was sort of a it's
an energy policy discussion, with you taking what I would
(09:31):
consider the rational approach and the Obama Harris spokesperson going
with pushing the the green. I want to get what
their take was on the concept of nuclear because of course,
you know, when the alphabets and the Googles and the
Metas of the world decide their artificial intelligence centers can
be run by and will be run by nuclear power,
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cannot do that. I guess it just depends on who
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Speaker 1 (12:23):
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Love the work that Brigham does. You can follow Brigham
and check out his podcast, Regularly Charged Conversation Authority on
energy policy. Of course, we were talking about nuclear being
a part of it. Going back to your debate in
New York, your you know, sanity versus what I would
argue is insanity. Did have someone who is a you
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know sort of Abama Harris cut from the Green New
Deal whole cloth there. What's that person's reaction to the
just just looking exclusively here at the idea of nuclear power.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, actually he didn't talk about nuclear per se, but
what he did say was that he thinks Harris will
double down with two priorities for all of our infrastructure,
for energy infrastructure, for transportation infrastructure. And he said it's
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going to be based on two guiding principles, and you
can probably guess what they are, Brian, But number one
is climate change and number two is equity.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Okay, let's see here equity. How does equity apply in
the area of energy policy.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, well, energy is racist, Energy is discriminating. Energy is
bad because some people can afford to have it and
others can't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I mean, well, that I guess lies in the face
of the marxis ieteology, the idea that if there is
a good or service that you need, that you should
pay for it. Do they want to provide Is it
free energy for all?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, I think it is removing what they see as polluting,
nasty hydrocarbon power plants from people and neighborhoods that are disadvantaged.
They are, I think, saying behind the lines, without behind
the scene, without saying it, that energy is going to
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be more expensive if we go their way, and so
we're all going to have to share, We're going to
have to subsidize. You've probably seen in California already there's
a wealth tax on energy for people that make too
much money. Your bill goes up, and I think that's
part of it. But roads and bridges are apparently unfair also.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So what I mean des bye sating that they're unfair.
You can't continue with the idea of commerce and industry
and the free flow of goods and services in the
country without roads and bridges and an infrastructure like that.
I guess I'm you know, these platitudes about equity or whatever.
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What was he offering by way of a direction or
what would a Harris administration do to eradicate these so
called well lack of equity or the fact that a
road is racist in some way.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, you know, he didn't go into and that's the
other party. They don't They don't really go into it.
They have an answer to you. And if we look
at the campaign, you know, as you mentioned earlier in
the previous segment, Harris has been very careful not to
talk about anything. But she she can't talk about anything
because anything that she if she said what her policies
really were, nobody would be buying. But part of this
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has to do with this sort of I don't know.
New York's a great example. They think the whole country
is like New York. We need more transit, we mean,
we need more commuter rail, we need more bike paths.
We need this, we need that, And it is a
percon option that differs from the Republicans that believe that
the energy and the transportation infrastructure is there to enable commerce.
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The Republicans talk about rivers of commerce freely flowing, removing
inefficiencies from the system. The just in time inventory that
we created in the US is really the backbone of
the economy, and I think under a Trump world, you're
going to see these go back to We're going to
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go back to hard merits. I think under a Trump administration,
where money is going to be put where it serves
the country the best and helps grow the economy.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Which is beneficial to everyone.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, because the whole point of highways is to get
goods and people to market, and goods to market and
people to Grandma's house and mobility. It's it's really that simple.
Well bring them, let's we'll bring them back here. Because
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In the studio bringing we were talking about transportation and
the growing pressing demand by government to force semi tractor
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trailers to go green and be electric operated. Everything I
have read about those makes it sound like one of
the most preposterous, idiotic ideas. And this is a high
bar right there, brother, to come out of government. They
they will talk about an inflationary reality. Do you think
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groceries are expensive? Now? If we got to deliver them
in electric semi tractor trailers? Oh, in addition to having
to rebuild basically our nation's entire road infrastructure because they
wasted damn much, Bridges would collapse under the weight of
an electric semi Your take on all this and was
your Obama Harris Green, person that you were arguing with
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in New York, did he bring any of this up? Now?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, I answered the last question first, They don't, right,
because you know, it's like, there go those darn facts.
They get in the way of my policy, right. And
the truth is that facts beat to policy, eat policy
for lunch every day of the week. And that's part
of the problem is that these policies are not grounded
in reality.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And well, the whole premise of this carbon dioxide as
being a problem is not grounded in reality either, Brigham.
Plus these models, I mean, remember you get back to
the modeling that said that God us into all this mess.
Oh my god, we're all going to die everything's gonna
the sea's going to rise and cover New York City.
It's gonna happen in ten years. Ah, you know, Greta
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Thunberg's gonna have an aneurysm because we're not listening to her.
And here we are fast forward a couple of decades. Sorry,
you know, yeah, And actually anyway, I'm sorry. I didn't
want to move away from the truck thing. But you
have experience, I mean, legitimate experience in the trucking industry.
Let my listeners know real quick before we dive onto
this problem that these EV trucks create.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, that's true. One of my first stints the military
and federal government service was as the General Council of
the Trucking Agency Trucking Safety Agency at the US Department
of Transportation, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, which I
know there's some trucker out there right now going oh lord,
oh lord.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Government is a huge problem, the regulations, the what you
can and can't do, and and folks, if we vote
one way, it gets worse. If we vote the other way,
you're going to see significant deregulation.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And that would low and it's one thing that I
know that Trump could do to lower inflation is this
whole idea of getting more access to and refining more
petroleum products into diesel fuel. To lower the price of
diesel alone would lower the cost of goods because the
prices would I wouldn't be as much to ship things.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Absolutely, And you know, one of the reasons why diesel
is so expensive today is because of the EPA, the
type of diesel that we're allowed to burn. Remember, diesel
used to be cheaper than gasoline because it should be
because it comes out of the refinery first, it's the
easiest to refine. It's basically a kerosene type product. But
you know, if I can comment for just a second
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on the EV thing, Yeah, you're absolutely right, because if
we look at this, if you have an eighty thousand
pound truck that can carry let's say, yeah, about sixty
five thousand pounds of a freight, but instead we're going
to have batteries that weigh, you know, eight to ten
thousand each, and you need two of those. Now, I
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can't carry that much freight. So it's not just that
we'd be moving to evs, it's that we're gonna have
to have a third more trucks on the road. Do
you want a third more trucks.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
On the road?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Can you imagine the congestion?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, And when you pass an eighteen wheeler today and
it's sitting there stuck in traffic, you're paying for that.
You and I are paying for that inefficiency. That's what
we're trying to move, not make more of it.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, and I suppose in the grand glorious future, as
prepared by our lords and masters on the left hand
side shoving us in that direction, we're not going to
have cars anyway. They're going to keep us off in
fifteen minute cities and so the road will be clear
all this traffic, so we can have more semis on
the road.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Ah, you know you actually that's voud. There's a UC
Davis study that came out late last year that they
said that quiet part out loud. I love that saying
the quiet part out loud. And they said, you know,
after we do all this other stuff, it's not going
to be enough. We're gonna have to live in smaller houses.
We can't have cars, We're gonna have to use bikes.
(24:39):
There's no way to get there. And Brian, if you
look at every country in the globe history of the world.
Countries that were energy rich have increased their standard of living,
have increased their economy. There are no rich countries that
are in it does not exist. They are only poor countries.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So how do you make an energy rich and economically
sound and successful country, oh, say, like the United States poor?
You take away their energy supply, which is one of
the reasons I've always argued. They don't want us to
have nuclear power because it satisfies our ever growing demand
for power, It allows us to remain economically viable, and
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of course it solves the carbon problem they claim is
a problem. It's it, but it's that's the problem that
they have. It is the ultimate solution for what they
claim to be is the biggest existential threat to the glow.
But in the back of their minds, it has nothing
to do with climate. It's us that is the threat
to the glow. We are an outlier in terms of
our success and our prosperity. They don't want the world
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to mirror our standards by expanding our freedoms and liberties.
They don't want that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I don't understand why anyone would be against American exceptionalism. R.
I fundamentally don't understand that, and you see that in Europe.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Well, it's unfair man, going back to your equity word,
it's unfair. Your system has proven to be demonstrably better.
You just talking about energy rich countries. You know they prosper.
What the hell happened to Venezuela. There is energy rich
as a country can be. They drove themselves into the
toilet because they pursued a leftist socialist agenda, and everybody
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any form of education left the country. It's pass from
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Brian Thomas with from the Hudson Institute Hudson dot org.
Bring him the gown. He's the energy policy guru, knows
a whole lot about it. He's been doing this kind
of thing his entire life, and I don't know, you
can't reveal you are familiar with hitting the ground running
when the If Trump gets elected in terms of energy.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Policy, yeah yeah, absolutely, I mean, and if you look
carefully at what he has said, what is people have said,
the bottom line is he wants to reassert America's energy
dominance by unleashing our natural resources and our abilities to
produce energy. Because he understands and Mike Pompeo's former Secretary
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of State said, you know, when you have energy, you
have power. You wield power because people need what you have.
When you are energy poor, people your adversaries know that
you're weak. It's that simple. And then obviously, by having
more affordable energy, we're more competitive in the world for
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goods and services. We've seen industry returned back to rust
belt areas because of the shale play in eastern Ohio
western Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
This stuff's real. Listen. I know firsthand about the Pennsylvania
component because where my wife grew up on the little
farm outside Washington, Pennsylvania, and Avela probably never heard of it.
Don't blink when you're driving through you'll miss it. But
that's where she grew up and what was an extraordinarily
poor community. You know, you either hated a dairy farm
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or you might might have worked in a coal mine.
They all have brand new roads, they have brand new cars,
They've repainted and rebuilt barns for their farms, built new
houses for themselves, all with the royalty money from the
fracking that was done. Yeah, it's improved the quality of
life so much in that area. It's it's just amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And I was talking to both Germans and Norwegians in
the last couple of weeks. They're investing in America. Why
their companies can't get anything done right right over there.
So they are these foreign companies want to invest in
the US because of energy, because of the business climate,
because of the lower taxes. So the world is coming here.
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So this notion that we've lost industry forever, it is
not true.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well see, and that's the pivoting point for Trump, you know,
and when he talks about Tariff's not we'll going down
that road because we're talking about energy policy today. But
if the conditions are set up that way, people will
gravitate and say, well, hell, let's just go set up
shop in the United States. Much in the same way.
Many businesses here decided because of our tax policy and structure,
that they would just set up shop like in Canada
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or something. Remember was it Burger King that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, Burger King left and went to Canada.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Ah, yeah, right, Well that's what happens. So can we
expect your tea leaf reading if Trump gets elected and
his team's foot in place, including Elon Musk, which I
think you and I both think is a great idea,
can we expect to hit the ground immediately running on
this or is it going to require Congressional action? It's
kind of a gray area these days anymore. I hate
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to say that should be very clearly defined.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
But yeah, it is a gray area because you know,
Congress is dysfunctional. It's been dysfunctional for decades. Remember back
in the eight Reagan talked about to do nothing Congress.
But we've moved far beyond that to a point where
the executive branch fills that vacuum. And so there are
a lot of things he can do, a lot of
executive actions he can put out on day one, and
I expect he will. There are directions he can give
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want to write a new regulation great, eliminate two and
the net cost can never go up. So I think
you're going to see that type of thing on steroids.
I think you'll see the government getting back to the
government and stopping to apply all of these labels and
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the possibility is exciting.
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Six fifty one, coming up with six fifty two to
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is with all his years of experience in a broad
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which we certainly appreciate. Brigham final thoughts as we part
company today. I'm going to be getting to Orlando Sonza
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Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You know, we gosh.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
This election is uh, I think a really important. I
think we have two paths that are very distinctly opposite
of each other, and it's very clear, and I think, uh,
you know, at least for energy policy. And uh, I
think it's very important because you know, next to the
cost of raw materials and people, energy is that third
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component that goes into manufacturing anything. It's critical to us.
And uh, I think, uh, you know, from my studies
and the work I do at Hudson. We believe in
a strong energy security policy, which means we have to
have access to as much energy as we need that
is reliable and affordable. That's the that's the key ingredients,
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that's the recipe for success. And I'm not opposed to
an energy mix, and I think we're agnostic in that regard.
If it makes sense and it works and it works
for you, great, let's do it. But when a government
comes in and says thou shalt do this, thou shalt
not do that, it skews, It skews things, and we
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start creating expenses that we don't need. Look at California
and their cost of energy. It is intentional, man, And
I mean I always use the line from Barack a bono.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Your price of gas will necessarily go up, the point
being there's an adequate supply, prices are low. We want
you to stop using gasoline, so we're going to force
the price to go up.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
And that's and that's really foolish because I was thinking
about this earlier on the break. If if you've spent
any time in Europe, you realize that their air conditioning
doesn't really cool the air it conditions the air. Why,
because it uses a lot less energy you walk down
dimly lit hallways. There is this belief by by elitists
(37:57):
and others that you can save your way to prosperity.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That is just not true.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You know, all you end up doing is making yourself poor.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, and more miserable and uncomfortable while you're in the process.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yes, and that doesn't mean that we shouldn't take heat
of the environment. I think we all want, you know,
clean air, we all want clean rivers and waters.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
But it's it's you know what I want plants to have,
plant food. I want carbon dioxide in the air. Yeah, okay,
And that's why this is one of the most absurd notions.
It's supposedly that's this great existential threat to the globe.
The more we exhale, the more plants grow and thrive
and survive.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Well, yeah, I mean you realize too, people aren't buying
it because, sorry, climate is ten percent of the voters
think it is. It is highly important. But when you
walk around talking about this existential climate crisis, and remember
the pullar ice caps which are thicker now. They were
supposed to be gone by twenty fourteen, going back to
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the predictions. Yeah, it just it doesn't work. And you know,
it's about control. It's about government control. It's about big
government or limited government.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And too maybe achieve their global worldview on how we're
all going to live in these tiny cities and rely
on public transportation and never go traveling and never leave
our well, our little sort of government in post prisons.
That's really what it amounts to.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
It's really great.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And meanwhile, our enemies, our adversaries, are taking note at
our weakness and.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
They are exploiting the hell out of it. Brigam. Look
at China. They keep building coal plants, laughing at us
taking over manufacturing, manufacturing evs a lot more cheaply since
we have all forced them on our populations. China's like, hey,
they created a market that didn't exist and wouldn't exist
but for their backcrap in same policies. Let's make cheap
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evs that they can't compete with because they don't have
energy to manufacture them. They have all the epa OSHIS standards,
rules and regulations that make employments so much more expensive.
This is a no lose situation for us.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Hey, it's a no lowse situation. And if we're not careful,
I call a unilateral economic disarmament. We're going to destroy
our own economy. Yes, and that makes China even stronger.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Of course it does. Brigham a down Hudson dot Org
find him and listen to his Charge Conversations podcast. Brigham,
it's always a pleasure having in the city of talking
common sense. I appreciate your willingness to come in here
and engage face to face. Wonderful thing it is, folks.
I hope you can stick around. We're gonna hear from
Orlando Sonza in his background does connect with voters. There's
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an article on that. Well, he got a good endorsement too.
Orlando did Donovd and Neil from Americans for Prosperity, Hitting
the home Stretch and Shenanigan's Declaration by my guest at
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of Roumkey. Stick around. I'll be right back.
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This report is sponsored by
The bok About AIRCD talk station Happy Friday maybe an
extra special Happy an early appearance by all of our
mutual friends. Briga McGown from the Hudson Institute and I
hope you follow his podcast, It's charged community Conversations. He
is an expert on energy policy. He's got an extensive
background in that, and he was just in New York
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on an energy policy issues having a discussion with an
Obama Harris side of the Ledger green new deal kind
of crap kind of thing. Brig him, it's great having
you in studio. You can find his organization online at
Hudson dot or also a professor at Miami Universe. All
that is correct, I try to be a left that
a whole lot if whatever your whole background, will be
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doing a full hour of just talking about all that
you've done over the course of your life. So just
you know you do it. You do have the requisite
skills and knowledge and expertise to speak on energy policy, which.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Is why you were invited to New York in the
first place. Well, thank you very much. It's an honor
to be with you. Although I think this is probably
the earliest appearance I've done yet.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
But good for you getting up every once in a
while breaking you got to you gotta start your coffee earlier, though,
don't wait until six oh six when we're here to
start drinking your coffee, which you just did. Going anyhow,
So what did you learn in New York? It is
so obvious by the out loud statements she's made, as
(01:19):
well as her background, her on the record expressions of
concern over climate change or whatever. Kamala Harris is all in.
Whether you can pin her down on banning fracking or not.
That doesn't play well in Pennsylvania, as you know. But
she seems to be all over the board. But in true,
in point of fact, she embraces this stuff and the subsidies,
(01:42):
and she broadly takes credit for the so called Green
New Deal that cost us so many trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, she does. And let's remember when she was President
of the Senate. As the vice President, she cast a
lot of tie breaking votes, including spending all this money
on the Green New Deal known as the Inflation Reduction Act.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah yeah, and that's probably got to go down in
history as the most inappropriately inaccurate name for any piece
of legislation I know. They do it all the time.
But what the hell did that have to do with
reducing inflation? It was an inflation inducing bill.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, it is, just it was just a massive spending
bill in part which field a lot of this inflation
we've been dealing with.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, and of course the other component of this, and
not too many people I think care as much about
it as I do. But you go all the way
back to Obama and number A one twenty three and
Solindra all part of this you know, growing agenda. They
were given taxpayer dollars to support their good or service
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or whatever the hell they were providing, and they failed epically.
That was government picking the winners and losers to the
exclusion of maybe hundreds of other companies doing what those
two companies were planning on doing. But how is it
that they won the contracts and got the American taxpayer
dollars and ended up serving as a great illustration of
why that is a terrible thing. Market forces would have
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allowed competition to be selected based upon the well, the
merit of whatever they were doing. You know, Oh that
actually works, Let's go with that one.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You know, absolutely, you know, and you've just pointed out
something that's that's very important. If it's a terrible idea.
If it's not gonna work, it's not gonna work. That's
the whole point. If businesses either succeed or fail based
on the product or service they deliver that people want
at a cost competitive price. If you do that, and
(03:37):
I'm a small business guy, you stay in business. You
don't do that, you go out. Except when the government says, oh,
that's okay, well here here's here's one hundred million. You're
still going to go out of business. It's just going
to take a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Right. You got to burn through the one hundred million,
and then you close shop. Right.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Well.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And the other point is, even with all of these
incentives that government is pouring into, like, for example, the
electric vehicle industry, you can lead a horse to water,
but you can't make them drink. Brother, if you don't
want to buy an EV, a government can't make you
buy an EV unless the government, through its actions, bans
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the internal combustion engine, which through CAFE standards, is their
stated goal. You can't have I mean, if they take
emissions and you know the laws of physics and the
reality of the internal combustion engine. There's only so much
you can remove in terms of the tailpipe. But it's
a preferable and more efficient and I would say more
(04:37):
affordable choice to buy an internal combustion engine.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, it absolutely is. And if we took these folks
at their word, and let's just all pretend that carbon
is the enemy of the Earth and we have to
get rid of it all.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Overnight, suspending reality to do that. But okay, we're playing
a game and pretend.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Okay, well, then you say, look, our goal is to
red use the amount of carbon we're putting in the air,
and we have to be cleaner. Okay, Well, then let
industry figure out how to do that, and you can
use different types of fuels while still using the internal
combustion engine to achieve that goal.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yes, through negation of let's say carbon output at oh,
I don't know, a natural gas plant and replacing it
with you know what's come and Brigham a nuclear plant.
There we go. You're going to remove all the carbon
and it's a minimal amount from a natural gas plant
compared to the cold days, right, but you get rid
of that, and that would allow us to keep our
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internal combustion engines because overall, you've reduced that carbon output.
That doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That is that's absolutely correct, and I think we all
want cleaner air. And there are there are harmful emissions
that can cause asthma or increase allergies, cause breathing problems.
Those are the things we should be concentrating on. But
eaving that aside for a minute, nuclear it's where we
(06:04):
need to be. And you know, if we stacked up
all of the nuclear waste, which some people complain about,
it would fit on a football field less than twelve
feet high. I said, from the entire country since nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Whatever, all of it. And let me go ahead and
say this out loud because of my submariner friend Cribbage
Mike is out listening. He will also be the first
person to point out that I think all of the
ships in the Navy have been nuclear powered since what
the late nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties. They haven't had any
problems with any of.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Them, well, all of the submarines and all the aircraft. Yeah,
all the aircraft carriers since the late sixties, early seventies.
Some of the smaller ships know, but they're actually powered
by aircraft jetting since no kidding.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah yeah, well but it works.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It does work, and so we've got this new concept
and Navy folks like myself will kind of snicker and
go out, it's not really new. Small modular nuclear reactors SMRs. Well,
that's what the Navy's been putting in ships and submarines
for four decades.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Right right, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's obviously the aircraft
carriers are not run on a fuel supply that's built
on something the size of three mile island. You know,
it's small, it's compact, and it works. It works, and
they have more than one in some cases. But what
we want to do, and this is where I have
to admit, the nuclear industry has been its own worst
(07:32):
enemy at times because every reactor that we have operating
in this country, no two are alike. That's the problem
with the costs, or that's what creates the cost problems.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It is.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
And then we have a federal agency, nuclear regulatory agency
that's spent its entire life trying not to permit a
react Their job is to permit no nuclear license.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
These things enemy, there's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So the idea is we start to carbon copying these
things and they are pretty small. I mean they're they're
not going to fit inside this room, they're not going
to fit inside your garage. But comparing to large scale
they are smaller. So the idea is you replicate these
things one after another. The design is licensed, so you
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don't have to go through all that each time, and
they're plug and play. You can even know you need
more than one. Okay here three.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Right next to each other, right or spread around different
geographical areas among any population center. At the bottom line
is they're much easier to build and one size can
fit all just depending on you know, if you got
the land and the I guess the locations swell to
to the power lines. But you know, if you're shutting
down a gas or a prior coal fire plant, you
(08:45):
just build it right there on next to that space
and all your transmission lines are right there.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's all set up, and you know you can do that.
And I've kind of wondered, like I remember down in Moscow, Ohio. Yeah,
just put one there.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Absolutely, just don't do the did in Fukushima build it
in a tsunami zone.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I mean that the plants problem, that was a people
engineering problem. Yeah, Like who's the idiot who chose this?
What do they want?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
A scenic landscape so they could look out over the
ocean when they went to work. Oh, by the way,
we do have tsunamis in Japan and that's in the
tsunami zone. Do you guys ever consider that might want
to build it a little higher? Yeah, it's crazy, It
is crazy. All right, Well, I'll tell you what. Let's
stop here because I want to find out because when
you're at New York it was sort of a it's
an energy policy discussion, with you taking what I would
(09:31):
consider the rational approach and the Obama Harris spokesperson going
with pushing the the green. I want to get what
their take was on the concept of nuclear because of course,
you know, when the alphabets and the Googles and the
Metas of the world decide their artificial intelligence centers can
be run by and will be run by nuclear power,
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cannot do that. I guess it just depends on who
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Six twenty fifty five KRCIT the talk station, Brighamcallan in studio.
Love the work that Brigham does. You can follow Brigham
and check out his podcast, Regularly Charged Conversation Authority on
energy policy. Of course, we were talking about nuclear being
a part of it. Going back to your debate in
New York, your you know, sanity versus what I would
argue is insanity. Did have someone who is a you
(12:44):
know sort of Abama Harris cut from the Green New
Deal whole cloth there. What's that person's reaction to the
just just looking exclusively here at the idea of nuclear power.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, actually he didn't talk about nuclear per se, but
what he did say was that he thinks Harris will
double down with two priorities for all of our infrastructure,
for energy infrastructure, for transportation infrastructure. And he said it's
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going to be based on two guiding principles, and you
can probably guess what they are, Brian, But number one
is climate change and number two is equity.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Okay, let's see here equity. How does equity apply in
the area of energy policy.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, well, energy is racist, Energy is discriminating. Energy is
bad because some people can afford to have it and
others can't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I mean, well, that I guess lies in the face
of the marxis ieteology, the idea that if there is
a good or service that you need, that you should
pay for it. Do they want to provide Is it
free energy for all?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, I think it is removing what they see as polluting,
nasty hydrocarbon power plants from people and neighborhoods that are disadvantaged.
They are, I think, saying behind the lines, without behind
the scene, without saying it, that energy is going to
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be more expensive if we go their way, and so
we're all going to have to share, We're going to
have to subsidize. You've probably seen in California already there's
a wealth tax on energy for people that make too
much money. Your bill goes up, and I think that's
part of it. But roads and bridges are apparently unfair also.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So what I mean des bye sating that they're unfair.
You can't continue with the idea of commerce and industry
and the free flow of goods and services in the
country without roads and bridges and an infrastructure like that.
I guess I'm you know, these platitudes about equity or whatever.
(15:08):
What was he offering by way of a direction or
what would a Harris administration do to eradicate these so
called well lack of equity or the fact that a
road is racist in some way.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, you know, he didn't go into and that's the
other party. They don't They don't really go into it.
They have an answer to you. And if we look
at the campaign, you know, as you mentioned earlier in
the previous segment, Harris has been very careful not to
talk about anything. But she she can't talk about anything
because anything that she if she said what her policies
really were, nobody would be buying. But part of this
(15:44):
has to do with this sort of I don't know.
New York's a great example. They think the whole country
is like New York. We need more transit, we mean,
we need more commuter rail, we need more bike paths.
We need this, we need that, And it is a
percon option that differs from the Republicans that believe that
the energy and the transportation infrastructure is there to enable commerce.
(16:08):
The Republicans talk about rivers of commerce freely flowing, removing
inefficiencies from the system. The just in time inventory that
we created in the US is really the backbone of
the economy, and I think under a Trump world, you're
going to see these go back to We're going to
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go back to hard merits. I think under a Trump administration,
where money is going to be put where it serves
the country the best and helps grow the economy.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Which is beneficial to everyone.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, because the whole point of highways is to get
goods and people to market, and goods to market and
people to Grandma's house and mobility. It's it's really that simple.
Well bring them, let's we'll bring them back here. Because
as to the free flow of goods and services on
the highways and byways, we typically rely on this semi
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tractor trailer. I'm kind of wondering what the green guy
had to say about that, because I know there's a
big push to go with semis and from all accounts
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In the studio bringing we were talking about transportation and
the growing pressing demand by government to force semi tractor
(20:14):
trailers to go green and be electric operated. Everything I
have read about those makes it sound like one of
the most preposterous, idiotic ideas. And this is a high
bar right there, brother, to come out of government. They
they will talk about an inflationary reality. Do you think
(20:34):
groceries are expensive? Now? If we got to deliver them
in electric semi tractor trailers? Oh, in addition to having
to rebuild basically our nation's entire road infrastructure because they
wasted damn much, Bridges would collapse under the weight of
an electric semi Your take on all this and was
your Obama Harris Green, person that you were arguing with
(20:54):
in New York, did he bring any of this up? Now?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, I answered the last question first, They don't, right,
because you know, it's like, there go those darn facts.
They get in the way of my policy, right. And
the truth is that facts beat to policy, eat policy
for lunch every day of the week. And that's part
of the problem is that these policies are not grounded
in reality.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And well, the whole premise of this carbon dioxide as
being a problem is not grounded in reality either, Brigham.
Plus these models, I mean, remember you get back to
the modeling that said that God us into all this mess.
Oh my god, we're all going to die everything's gonna
the sea's going to rise and cover New York City.
It's gonna happen in ten years. Ah, you know, Greta
(21:39):
Thunberg's gonna have an aneurysm because we're not listening to her.
And here we are fast forward a couple of decades. Sorry,
you know, yeah, And actually anyway, I'm sorry. I didn't
want to move away from the truck thing. But you
have experience, I mean, legitimate experience in the trucking industry.
Let my listeners know real quick before we dive onto
this problem that these EV trucks create.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, that's true. One of my first stints the military
and federal government service was as the General Council of
the Trucking Agency Trucking Safety Agency at the US Department
of Transportation, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, which I
know there's some trucker out there right now going oh lord,
oh lord.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Government is a huge problem, the regulations, the what you
can and can't do, and and folks, if we vote
one way, it gets worse. If we vote the other way,
you're going to see significant deregulation.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And that would low and it's one thing that I
know that Trump could do to lower inflation is this
whole idea of getting more access to and refining more
petroleum products into diesel fuel. To lower the price of
diesel alone would lower the cost of goods because the
prices would I wouldn't be as much to ship things.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Absolutely, And you know, one of the reasons why diesel
is so expensive today is because of the EPA, the
type of diesel that we're allowed to burn. Remember, diesel
used to be cheaper than gasoline because it should be
because it comes out of the refinery first, it's the
easiest to refine. It's basically a kerosene type product. But
you know, if I can comment for just a second
(23:16):
on the EV thing, Yeah, you're absolutely right, because if
we look at this, if you have an eighty thousand
pound truck that can carry let's say, yeah, about sixty
five thousand pounds of a freight, but instead we're going
to have batteries that weigh, you know, eight to ten
thousand each, and you need two of those. Now, I
(23:37):
can't carry that much freight. So it's not just that
we'd be moving to evs, it's that we're gonna have
to have a third more trucks on the road. Do
you want a third more trucks.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
On the road?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Can you imagine the congestion?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, And when you pass an eighteen wheeler today and
it's sitting there stuck in traffic, you're paying for that.
You and I are paying for that inefficiency. That's what
we're trying to move, not make more of it.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, and I suppose in the grand glorious future, as
prepared by our lords and masters on the left hand
side shoving us in that direction, we're not going to
have cars anyway. They're going to keep us off in
fifteen minute cities and so the road will be clear
all this traffic, so we can have more semis on
the road.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Ah, you know you actually that's voud. There's a UC
Davis study that came out late last year that they
said that quiet part out loud. I love that saying
the quiet part out loud. And they said, you know,
after we do all this other stuff, it's not going
to be enough. We're gonna have to live in smaller houses.
We can't have cars, We're gonna have to use bikes.
(24:39):
There's no way to get there. And Brian, if you
look at every country in the globe history of the world.
Countries that were energy rich have increased their standard of living,
have increased their economy. There are no rich countries that
are in it does not exist. They are only poor countries.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So how do you make an energy rich and economically
sound and successful country, oh, say, like the United States poor?
You take away their energy supply, which is one of
the reasons I've always argued. They don't want us to
have nuclear power because it satisfies our ever growing demand
for power, It allows us to remain economically viable, and
(25:26):
of course it solves the carbon problem they claim is
a problem. It's it, but it's that's the problem that
they have. It is the ultimate solution for what they
claim to be is the biggest existential threat to the glow.
But in the back of their minds, it has nothing
to do with climate. It's us that is the threat
to the glow. We are an outlier in terms of
our success and our prosperity. They don't want the world
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to mirror our standards by expanding our freedoms and liberties.
They don't want that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I don't understand why anyone would be against American exceptionalism. R.
I fundamentally don't understand that, and you see that in Europe.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Well, it's unfair man, going back to your equity word,
it's unfair. Your system has proven to be demonstrably better.
You just talking about energy rich countries. You know they prosper.
What the hell happened to Venezuela. There is energy rich
as a country can be. They drove themselves into the
toilet because they pursued a leftist socialist agenda, and everybody
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any form of education left the country. It's pass from
what we'll bring bring them back, and we got that
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Brian Thomas with from the Hudson Institute Hudson dot org.
Bring him the gown. He's the energy policy guru, knows
a whole lot about it. He's been doing this kind
of thing his entire life, and I don't know, you
can't reveal you are familiar with hitting the ground running
when the If Trump gets elected in terms of energy.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Policy, yeah yeah, absolutely, I mean, and if you look
carefully at what he has said, what is people have said,
the bottom line is he wants to reassert America's energy
dominance by unleashing our natural resources and our abilities to
produce energy. Because he understands and Mike Pompeo's former Secretary
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of State said, you know, when you have energy, you
have power. You wield power because people need what you have.
When you are energy poor, people your adversaries know that
you're weak. It's that simple. And then obviously, by having
more affordable energy, we're more competitive in the world for
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goods and services. We've seen industry returned back to rust
belt areas because of the shale play in eastern Ohio
western Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
This stuff's real. Listen. I know firsthand about the Pennsylvania
component because where my wife grew up on the little
farm outside Washington, Pennsylvania, and Avela probably never heard of it.
Don't blink when you're driving through you'll miss it. But
that's where she grew up and what was an extraordinarily
poor community. You know, you either hated a dairy farm
(30:17):
or you might might have worked in a coal mine.
They all have brand new roads, they have brand new cars,
They've repainted and rebuilt barns for their farms, built new
houses for themselves, all with the royalty money from the
fracking that was done. Yeah, it's improved the quality of
life so much in that area. It's it's just amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And I was talking to both Germans and Norwegians in
the last couple of weeks. They're investing in America. Why
their companies can't get anything done right right over there.
So they are these foreign companies want to invest in
the US because of energy, because of the business climate,
because of the lower taxes. So the world is coming here.
(31:00):
So this notion that we've lost industry forever, it is
not true.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well see, and that's the pivoting point for Trump, you know,
and when he talks about Tariff's not we'll going down
that road because we're talking about energy policy today. But
if the conditions are set up that way, people will
gravitate and say, well, hell, let's just go set up
shop in the United States. Much in the same way.
Many businesses here decided because of our tax policy and structure,
that they would just set up shop like in Canada
(31:25):
or something. Remember was it Burger King that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, Burger King left and went to Canada.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Ah, yeah, right, Well that's what happens. So can we
expect your tea leaf reading if Trump gets elected and
his team's foot in place, including Elon Musk, which I
think you and I both think is a great idea,
can we expect to hit the ground immediately running on
this or is it going to require Congressional action? It's
kind of a gray area these days anymore. I hate
(31:51):
to say that should be very clearly defined.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
But yeah, it is a gray area because you know,
Congress is dysfunctional. It's been dysfunctional for decades. Remember back
in the eight Reagan talked about to do nothing Congress.
But we've moved far beyond that to a point where
the executive branch fills that vacuum. And so there are
a lot of things he can do, a lot of
executive actions he can put out on day one, and
I expect he will. There are directions he can give
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to the agency. Remember last time he told agencies you
want to write a new regulation great, eliminate two and
the net cost can never go up. So I think
you're going to see that type of thing on steroids.
I think you'll see the government getting back to the
government and stopping to apply all of these labels and
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the possibility is exciting.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, we'll come back with one more with Brigham McCown
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Six fifty one, coming up with six fifty two to
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the gown to the Hudson Institute Energy Policy guy. He
is with all his years of experience in a broad
variety of topics and including his service to our country,
which we certainly appreciate. Brigham final thoughts as we part
company today. I'm going to be getting to Orlando Sonza
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after the top of the our news Love Orlando. MM.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You know, we gosh.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
This election is uh, I think a really important. I
think we have two paths that are very distinctly opposite
of each other, and it's very clear, and I think, uh,
you know, at least for energy policy. And uh, I
think it's very important because you know, next to the
cost of raw materials and people, energy is that third
(36:32):
component that goes into manufacturing anything. It's critical to us.
And uh, I think, uh, you know, from my studies
and the work I do at Hudson. We believe in
a strong energy security policy, which means we have to
have access to as much energy as we need that
is reliable and affordable. That's the that's the key ingredients,
(36:54):
that's the recipe for success. And I'm not opposed to
an energy mix, and I think we're agnostic in that regard.
If it makes sense and it works and it works
for you, great, let's do it. But when a government
comes in and says thou shalt do this, thou shalt
not do that, it skews, It skews things, and we
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start creating expenses that we don't need. Look at California
and their cost of energy. It is intentional, man, And
I mean I always use the line from Barack a bono.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Your price of gas will necessarily go up, the point
being there's an adequate supply, prices are low. We want
you to stop using gasoline, so we're going to force
the price to go up.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
And that's and that's really foolish because I was thinking
about this earlier on the break. If if you've spent
any time in Europe, you realize that their air conditioning
doesn't really cool the air it conditions the air. Why,
because it uses a lot less energy you walk down
dimly lit hallways. There is this belief by by elitists
(37:57):
and others that you can save your way to prosperity.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That is just not true.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
You know, all you end up doing is making yourself poor.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, and more miserable and uncomfortable while you're in the process.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yes, and that doesn't mean that we shouldn't take heat
of the environment. I think we all want, you know,
clean air, we all want clean rivers and waters.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
But it's it's you know what I want plants to have,
plant food. I want carbon dioxide in the air. Yeah, okay,
And that's why this is one of the most absurd notions.
It's supposedly that's this great existential threat to the globe.
The more we exhale, the more plants grow and thrive
and survive.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Well, yeah, I mean you realize too, people aren't buying
it because, sorry, climate is ten percent of the voters
think it is. It is highly important. But when you
walk around talking about this existential climate crisis, and remember
the pullar ice caps which are thicker now. They were
supposed to be gone by twenty fourteen, going back to
(38:54):
the predictions. Yeah, it just it doesn't work. And you know,
it's about control. It's about government control. It's about big
government or limited government.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And too maybe achieve their global worldview on how we're
all going to live in these tiny cities and rely
on public transportation and never go traveling and never leave
our well, our little sort of government in post prisons.
That's really what it amounts to.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
It's really great.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And meanwhile, our enemies, our adversaries, are taking note at
our weakness and.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
They are exploiting the hell out of it. Brigam. Look
at China. They keep building coal plants, laughing at us
taking over manufacturing, manufacturing evs a lot more cheaply since
we have all forced them on our populations. China's like, hey,
they created a market that didn't exist and wouldn't exist
but for their backcrap in same policies. Let's make cheap
(39:46):
evs that they can't compete with because they don't have
energy to manufacture them. They have all the epa OSHIS standards,
rules and regulations that make employments so much more expensive.
This is a no lose situation for us.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Hey, it's a no lowse situation. And if we're not careful,
I call a unilateral economic disarmament. We're going to destroy
our own economy. Yes, and that makes China even stronger.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Of course it does. Brigham a down Hudson dot Org
find him and listen to his Charge Conversations podcast. Brigham,
it's always a pleasure having in the city of talking
common sense. I appreciate your willingness to come in here
and engage face to face. Wonderful thing it is, folks.
I hope you can stick around. We're gonna hear from
Orlando Sonza in his background does connect with voters. There's
(40:34):
an article on that. Well, he got a good endorsement too.
Orlando did Donovd and Neil from Americans for Prosperity, Hitting
the home Stretch and Shenanigan's Declaration by my guest at
seven point forty Carrie Davis local activists saying there's something
she uncovered between an East Street house and the CEO
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