Judge Napolitano - What If Voting Is Fruitless?

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Speaker 2 (00:57):
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Fifty five karsite talk station, and it's that time. Post
presidential election day or now we'll get here from Judge
Ownenapolitano every Wednesday at this hour and advance apologies from
Chuck Ingram for not doing a personalized message.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
He knew you were coming on. It's just that he
had so much traffic issues going on here locally, he
just didn't have time. It's been kind of a I
don't know. I'll use a military term that you might
be familiar with. You're Honor Charlie Foxtrott kind of traffic
situation day here, so i'll extend to pology.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm familiar with that term. But I'm also spoiled rotten
by waking up on every Wednesday morning eagerly anticipating what
he's gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I know, listen, man, I know the comments are always
directed to you, But I get as big a kick
out of him as you do, because Lord knows what
he's going to come out of his mouth. So anyhow,
it's always a pleasure to have you on the program. Obviously,
I know I've got your column here. What if voting
is fruitless? Which is well, the title can serve as

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an interesting spring into your response or your reaction to
the It looks like a clean sweep. Donald Trump handily
one not just the electoral college, but the popular vote
as well, by more than four million, and control of
the Senate now in Republican hands by at least a
couple We have some ountliers that haven't been settled yet.

(02:19):
The House looks like it's going to be in the
Republicans' hands as well. I just clearly Kamala Harris. Harris's
messages of name calling didn't resonate with the American people.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I think that Joe Biden has been a terrible president
domestically and foreign policy wise, and this was visited upon Harris,
who attempted to defend him and couldn't distance herself from him.
And the people are sick and tired of Ukraine, Gaza
and high prices. I mean, high prices are caused by

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the Fed, the majority of whom we're appointed by Donald Trump. Nevertheless,
high interest rates, high prices hit everybody. She couldn't have
a clear message on Gaza. I don't know if she
agrees with Joe Biden or not. Her husband and her

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daughters are Jewish, and she frequently retreated to that as
a defense to her support of him. Notwithstanding the slaughter
of innocence there. Ukraine is utterly indefensible. So the people
wanted a change, and they voted for it. I did

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not expect this at all. I went to bed early
and woke up expecting, you know when I usually get
up at four point thirty, probably after you get up,
expecting you know, litigation and recrimination and vote counting and recounting.
And by the time I finished brushing my teeth, the

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whole world had declared Donald Trump the victor.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, the efforts by the Republicans to get the vote
out early in or this sort of stop the steal.
We need to overwhelm the Democrats with voters, get out early,
vote early. And you know the number of Republicans that
came out and voted early, really, I mean historic. You
can't even say anything other than that. So they reduced

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that in a sea change.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
In people's thinking. I was thinking about my teenage years
of JFK and LBJ and even Nixon. The Democrats never
lost as badly as they did this time. The last
time they lost this badly was nineteen eighty and nineteen
eighty four, both of Reagan's victories. This is a tumultuous

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trouncing of them, and it should be laid at the feat.
As I said earlier of Joe Biden. Now, I'm not
a political analyt, as you know. I'm much more on
the theoretical, long term what if side of things. But
living in the world that we live in and having

(05:11):
my own podcast and working at Newsmax, you know you
can't there's Chris seeing a squirrel. You can't help but
have opinions and want to share your analysis.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's mine well and fair enough. It'll be interesting to
see all morning long. All the listeners and my guests
this morning of all shared the common belief slash recommendation
that Donald Trump should immediately take the high road welcome
open arms a new Republican voters who at minimum held

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their nose to vote for him. He did make some
significant inroads in the Hispanic community as well as the
Black community, according to the the polling data that's come out.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I don't think that's in his character. I would advise
him to do the same thing. I would advise him
to call up people like Governor Whitman of New Jersey
and the Congresswoman Cheney and say welcome back. But that's
really not him. He's far more interested in punishing those
who irritated him than joining him. But maybe we'll see

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a different Donald Trump. What will Joe Biden do? Will
he invite the Trumps to the White House? Here's an
interesting one for you. Will he pardon Donald Trump and
save him from having to fire his own prosecutor?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
It remains to be seen. He's still facing state charges though,
and I don't think the presidential pardon can reach down
to state charges.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Now, No, no, it can't, Brian. He's facing a sentencing
on November twenty six, two days before Thanksgiving. Now I
can't imagine that the sentencing will go forward. If it does,
I can't imagine it would be custodial. The Georgia case
will probably seed without him. There are sixteen co defendants

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in that case. The state can try all of them
and then either give up the ghost on Trump the
world will be very different four years from now, or
decide to try him them. But they certainly can't try
him in state court while he's the President of the
United States and the case is not ready to proceed

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in the two months remaining in Biden's presidency.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, turning back to your column, what if voting is fruitless?
You ask a lot of rhetorical questions, of course, designed
to get people's juices flowing and to contemplate things. And
one of the ones I highlighted, what if the fatal
cocktail of big government and democracy ultimately produces dependency? Now
you elaborate on that one, But aren't we there already

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with the number of people who are led to the
umbilical court of the federal government to basically live, sleep,
and get their clothing and shelter in pretty much everything else.
We've given the people the opportunity to choose not to
work and yet still live quite comfortably by contrast to
the rest of the world.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know, in a.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Great book by an Austrian philosopher I'm looking for it
on my shelf by the name of Hans Hermann Hauppa
h Oppe called democracy the god that failed. He argues
that when the people realize that they can legally and

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peacefully vote themselves a share of other people's wealth, they
will continue to do so. And Jefferson and Hamilton foresaw this.
The two of them hated each other and never agreet
in anything except this. When the public learns that the
public treasury has become a public trough. They will only

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send to Washington those who promise to return to them
the biggest piece of the pie. And that's what we
have to The government recognizes no restraint on its power
to transfer wealth, to start wars, to incur death, to
cause death, to incur debt, to spy on everybody, to

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make a mockery of the Bill of Rights. The government
just recognizes no limits on that. Half of the decisions
made in the House of Representatives are made behind closed doors.
The Democrats vote in lockstep with their leadership. The Republicans
vote in lockstep with theirs. Unlike the Senate, there is

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no debate whatsoever on the floor of the House. Each
member is given thirty or sixty seconds. Ask our dear friend,
Congressman Messi, how fruitless this is. Some of his most
eloquent and articulate speeches were given to an empty, empty
House of Representatives, because they all know how everybody's going

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to vote. No matter what anyone says, that style of government,
secret party oriented, big government, pro war pro a transfer
of wealth will continue no matter who's in the White
House and who controls the Congress. That's the thesis of
my piece.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Now, I wrote that obviously yesterday, before I knew the
outcome of the election. Trump may try some radical things.
He may try to abolish the Department of Education. He
may try to abolish Homeland Security, although I doubt it.
He likes police. The Department of Homeland Security employs one

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hundred and sixty thousand Did you know this plane clothed cops? Wow,
that's five times the number of FBI agents there are.
What do they do? What do federal police do? They
don't direct traffic, they don't investigate crimes. What do they do?

(11:04):
While we don't know?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Always bringing up interesting points, Judge entered Apolitano.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I'm not trying to give the good people of Cincinnati heartburn.
Most of them are probably quite happy at the outcome
of the election.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh, I don't know. You can't say that.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
My job is to is to stir the pot from
the perspective of a person who believes that the Constitution
is supposed to mean what it says.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, I will tell you, your honor, If the city
of Cincinnati and the county in which it sits, Hamilton County,
had its way, it would be President Kamala Harris Or,
President of elekt Kamala Harris H and a whole big
blue wave is true.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I thought Cincinnati was a Republican.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Who has not been Republican since Ken Blackwell was mayor
back in the nineties. You got a this is this
is like four.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Decades Dennis did Dennis cousinich win.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Honestly, I don't know that's it didn't cross my field
of vision.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
He was running as an independent and he told me
he was leading both of his opponents. He of course,
is the former congressman from that district. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, we have Bernie Moreno is now our new senator
in place of Shared Brown, which is a welcome, welcome
change in my listening audience. So Joe said, no Sinach lost.
So there's a Joe strecker man with the with the
incident internet search. He can answer any question on a
Moment's no.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Thank you. That is a longtime friend. But thank you, Joe.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, and thank you your honor. As we usually do,
we'll end the program on Judging Freedom, your podcast, which
is wildly popular, I know because you have some great
guests on and of course always offering your wonderful commentary
and insight.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Who's on today, Oh, I have Colonel Douglas McGregor, Professor
John Meerscheimer, Professor Jeffrey Sachsville Giraldi, Aaron Monte have my
first team on today, not to talk politics, but to
talk about Israel, which is really at war with itself
right now, especially after the leak of classified documents showing

(13:06):
the Prime minister that's in Yaho sabotaged the peace negotiations
and Ukraine is dying in slow motion. That's really where
we're going today. But I will ask colonel McGregor if
he who was in the Trump Defense Department, if he
expects much difference in American foreign policy in the new

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Trump Defense Department. He'll probably say no, because the last
thing Donald Trump said two days ago about the Defense
Department was his shortlist was Tom Cotton and Mike Pompeio.
These are classic warhawks running the Department of Defense. So
World War three get ready.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
From the Man City, he would lay hands and solve
the conflicts when his first day in office. I've always
been wondering how he was going to accomplish that. Well,
now find we have an opportunity to find out. Judge
ended up Allton, my dear friend, until next Wednesday. Best
of health, thanks for your commentary.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Back at you, Brian, always a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Take care eight forty four or fifty five care see
the talk station stick around. Got a few more minutes
to talk. If you want to call in, feel free
to do it, but I'll

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Be right back fifty five KRC