Peter Bronson - BOOK - Promised Land - How the Midwest Was Won

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Just I have seven six here pety five k CD
talk station. What a wonderful, wonderful thing to bold on
a Friday in my studio. Peter Bronson. Everybody knows Peter
from his enquire days and all the wonderful books that
he's written. I can only recommend you go to Amazon
dot com is a place to find it is type
in Peter Bronson, all the books that he's written will

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come up. Everyone is simply outstanding, all mostly all on
local things like for example, I think Forbidden Fruit maybe
one of my favorites. It's hardly hard to say not
in our town, which is about the king of Smut,
Hustler magazine, Larry Flint, and all the problems and legal

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challenges and things that we face back then. But they
Forbid Fruit, the sin City Underworld, and the supper Club Inferno,
which of course the mob had a direct connection with
burning down the Beverly Hills supper club and all the
criminal activity that went along with that. Names from the
past like sleep Out Louis, Peter Bronson. I have so
enjoyed your books and I really can't thank you, know,

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if not just for you know, providing the great entertainment
but for documenting our local history in just such a
fabulous way.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Good to see you and welcome man.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Great to see you. I always enjoyed doing your show.
I love it and you do a great job, so
thank you for inviting me back.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
That's kind of you that this is one of the
benefits of my job I could speak with people like you.
Last time we talked, it was on the man who
Saved Cincinnati, Cincinnati History in Queen City of the West,
and we all learned about the amazing the slaves that
saved Cincinnati. They actually fought brigadestastic, just one little great

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lover of the book, so that thing went viral, like
who knew about this exactly?

Speaker 3 (02:03):
It's such a great story and we should all be
so proud of that history. Yeah, and yet it's all
been forgotten. That's one of the things I love doing
about this research is that I come across all these
stories that Cincinnati are so important as a part of
our history, and it's our story. It belongs to all
of us, and yet we've forgotten it. It's a source
of inspiration, it's a source of pride. It really makes

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me proud to live in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
To find these.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Stories there you go, exactly right. We are as important
as any other big city in the United States. We
have our own history, and we've dedicated so much to
the development of our country from right here in Cincinnati.
So you're great about documenting all this. So I again
to my listeners, strongly encourage you this. Now we pivot
over to the brand new book, Promised Land, How the

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Midwest Was Won. Now, you and I were talking off
Mike and I kind of I was asking you directly,
how you get your inspiration, like the millions of topics
you could come up with, How is it that there's
one or one area east side? Okay, I'm gonna sit
down and write an entire book on this area. This
turns out to be what we can call, at least

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you agree with my description of it a prequel to
The Man Who Saved Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yes, it is, because I take it from the earliest,
the earliest settlers who came to Cincinnati and settled on
the north side, north bank of the Ohio River, which
was extremely hazardous. Kentucky was settled first, and that had
been somewhat tamed. It was still very dangerous, but the
north bank of the Ohio River was absolutely no man's land,

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and the Revolutionary War veterans were given free land here
because the treasury was broke and they couldn't pay these guys.
So the idea was, Okay, go out to Ohio and
help us open the Northwest Territory. And they did, and
they're just amazing stories about these people. But the way
I came to this was I have to go all
the way back to when I first moved here in

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nineteen ninety two. And you may remember a city manager
named Jerry new Farmer. Oh sure, yeah, So Jerry, when
we went to lunch the first time I met him,
he gave me a book called The Frontiersman by Alan Eckert,
and that was all about Simon Kenton and his adventures
in Kentucky and Ohio against Little Turtle and Blue Jacket,

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the Miami, and the Shawnee.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
And I just found that fascinating.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
So after I finished The Man Who Saved Cincinnati, I
went back and started digging and it just clicked. It
really felt good. So I took that period all the
way up to the Civil War. So lou Wallace makes
another appearance.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
The Man Cincinnati, Yes, along.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
With another great character named Charles Whittlesey, who was an
officer in lou Wallace's command at Shiloh and then helped
him build the defenses that saved Cincinnati and also is
probably the earliest and foremost researcher and archaeologist of the
mound culture around Cincinnati. His work is in the Smithsonian.

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And this guy, he was from Cleveland, but he was
stationed here in Cincinnati, and he was.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
And there were mounds everywhere in those days. A lot
of them have been.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Just activated excavated.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, but we had mounds in Anderson Township. We had
in Anderson especially interesting because they had a mound where
two guys went in. They built such elaborate tunnels in
the nineteen twenties they had they were lighted with electric lights,
and they went in there and they claimed that they
found skeletons of people who were seven feet tall. Yeah,

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amazing stories. Okay, So we had mounds in Terrace Park
in Milford and Indian Hill of course, all over the place.
Even downtown Cincinnati had a really spectacular mound where an
artifact was found that's known as the Cincinnati Tablet. And
these mound cultures go back three thousand years and the
culture of those people goes back as far as thirteen

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thousand years.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Just think about it.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Now, were multiple tries.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I can't remember my Native American history, but I remember
going out to see the mounds when I was in
elementary school. They had a bus trip out there. Totally cool.
But were they Was it one particular tribe or was
this multiple tribes that that built the mounds various different
Native American tribes.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Well, we know that there were probably villages nearby because
it would take thousands of people over long periods of
time to build these mounds. They're just immense and they're
perfectly engineered. How do they do perfect circles that are
half mile across without transits or any of the modern
equipment that we use today. It's fascinating. It's a mystery.

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You're going to have to read the book to find
out more. But I'll tell you what these people had.
Things like they had shells from the Pacific Ocean. They
find in these mounds. They found shark's teeth from the
Gulf of Mexico.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
So there was an elaborate, huge trading training culture.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
And the Ohio River and all of this part of
Ohio right here, especially Cincinnati is really significant.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, I got to own a back pedal to you.
You started out by talking about how the northern bank
of the Ohio River was not developed. Yes, said it
was hazardous and dangerous. The Kentucky side was what period
of time are we talking about when you're talking about
early settlers coming in and settling there as opposed to
Native American tribes already existing here.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Right seventeen eighties, right in the early seventeen eighties to
the early seventeen nineties is really where all this significant
history takes place, No kidding.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
The first families were.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
People like Ludlow stits Gano. All these in their papers
are all still preserved at the Museum Center in their archives,
and so I went through a lot of that stuff,
and it was so much fun to find these stories.
For example, I found the story of an eleven year

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old boy named Oliver Spencer who was taken by the
Indians and held captive for two years. He was tortured,
he was beaten, he was The Indians were absolutely merciless.
In one four year period, they took fifteen hundred settlers

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and they would be tortured for days at a time.
They might be scalped and killed, or they would be
sold to the British. The British would pay one hundred
dollars for a live hostage or fifty dollars for a scalp.
So what they were the British were still really cranked
about the Revolutionary War and enjoy losing. And what they

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decided is that to keep us from expanding west into
to the land that they coveted for Canada, they would
use the Indian tribes, the Miami and the Shawnee as
their proxies, and they just encouraged them and what they
called in those days depredations to terrorize these settlers.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Now, did the prior to the British encouragement and egging
on to engage in this murderous behavior, did they have
a preconceived will to do that anyway because of how
the white men had treated them. Did they already know
in the back of their mind they didn't like these
guys they're invaders?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Was that the perception anyway?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
So the Shawnee, first of all, you're absolutely right, the
Shawnee and the Miami this side of the Ohio River
was theirs.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Okay, And that's why it was so dangerous and unsettled.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Exactly, And Kentucky was considered kind of a Switzerland or
neutral hunting ground for all of the tribes around this area.
But the northern part of Ohio was theirs. But also
the torture, the brutality, the scalping, all of this was
going on for hundreds, maybe thousands of years before the
white man got here.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
So this is what the tribes.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Waring among the tribes. Yeah, people always overlook that. They
think it was Native American gets white people. But now
we didn't. We didn't invest James right out, Oh, this
is what was it? Since Cain slew abled there's always
been problems of all people getting along together.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
And our civilization has certainly had its share of brutality too.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
More with Peter Broadson, he's in studio Promised Land, How
the Midwest was Won. You can get a copy of
that right on my blog page fifty five krs dot com.
But I really encourage all of my listeners to check
out all of Peter's works. You're just gonna love there.
Such they're just page turns. You can't put them down.
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Seven seventy twenty one to fifty about KRCD talk station
a true honor it is for me, Brian Thomas, host
to the thirty five krc Morning Show, to be talking
to face to face in the studio. Peter Bronson, author
of the most recent book Promised Land, How the Midwest,
was one which we're calling up equal to his prior book,
which is absolutely awesome, like they all are. The Man
State of Cincinnati, were you were explaining this early history

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in the Cincinnati area, describing the Miami and the Shawnee
very very very violent Native American Indian tribes killed a
lot of white settlers, the north side of the Ohio River,
Cincinnati very dangerous place to be. Kentucky, however, was a
state at this time. Yes, and this is what you

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and I were talking about off air. And I'll be honest,
I have forgotten so much about my history and the
United States of America. It's embarrassing on some level. But
you know, these kind of books sort of bring that
back to mind, the evolution of our country. Yes, so
this was the Northwest Territory generally, exactly.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Britain had Great Britain, even though they lost to US
in the Revolutionary War, they had decided that they were
going to claim all of the Midwest, and just west
of that was Spain, and then we also had France.
So the world's superpowers were all kind of carving up
the North American continent and deciding who would get it.

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The way Britain decided that they would get it would
be to just encourage these Indian tribes to be terrorists
and to make settling Ohio so dangerous and so bloody
and horrible that the Miami Valley was actually in those
days called the Miami Slaughterhouse. It was just that bad.
I mean, people couldn't even leave their stockade. Places like

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Covalt Station, Columbia Station, with stations were little stockades or forts,
and they were probably a footprint the size of your garage,
you know, a little bit bigger.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Maybe tiny houses?

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, well actually, and they would live in these little
blockhouses about as big as a garage. One of them
was James Kemper, who gave his name to Kemper Road,
who founded Walnut Hills Academy, and he lived in one
of those blockhouses.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Picture this with sixteen children.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Oh my god, oh my okay. You know, logistically speaking,
you know, we have our own bedroom in our house there,
Peter Bronson. Logistically speaking, how do you build a family
of sixteen children when everyone's living in the same room.
A different way of living life back then, I must
observe all right, kids, everybody out of the house. Mom

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and dad needs some quiet time out.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
I don't watch out for the Indians.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah no, but I mean you really had to have
it almost called intestinal fortitude. Who just who accepts and
adopts that by choice? Yes, that kind of life. These people,
by the way, you're gonna be going in the most miserable, desolate,
dangerous place in the Well, it wasn't in the United

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States by that, but in the territory. Well, well, I
have fun, or you can move over to Kentucky and
where they have a real, relatively stable life your choice.
I just can't imagine people taking that on.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, you got to think of it from their point
of view, which is that they had been in a
culture in Europe where they weren't allowed to have land,
They weren't allowed to be anything but peasants under the
thumb of some other autocratic dictator or monarch.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Hold over the feudal area. So they those.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Families that came to Ohio, this really was the promised land,
because they described it as unbelievably rich soil, beautiful clean water,
unbelievable forests to build your houses and to build log
cabins and stations. And they would all come down on
these little flatboats that are slightly bigger than a big car,

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go like huck Finn. Yeah, and they would have all
of their livestock, all of their implements, all of their tools,
all of their family eight or ten kids on one
of these boats. And a lot of those boats were
attacked by Indians before they even got here, and people
were slaughtered. So but the land and the appeal of
that freeland, freedom, ownership, good soil, clean water, a future,

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it was so strong for those people that they risked everything.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's amazing. So at parallel could be drawn. People were
drawn out west. Maybe because of the gold rush. Yeah,
there was a commodity. You could become very, very wealthy.
In this particular case of the mindset was you can
be a landowner. Yes, so you can grow stuff, you
can finally own your property. And they had such horrible

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experiences with the Indians. They sent the governor of the
first governor of the Northwest Territory with was General Arthur
Saint Clair, who was a revolutionary war veteran and he
was a close friend of George Washington. He named Cincinnati Cincinnati.
It was previously low Santyville. You've probably heard it, Yeah,

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And he's the one who came and said, I don't
like that name.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's kind of awkward, so I'm going to name it
after a society that George and I belonged to.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
The Cincinnatis absolutely.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
But then he led an expedition to subdue the Indians
and they were ambushed because he was a foolish general,
and they were ambushed near Fort Defiance, and he was
absolutely massacred. They called it the Battle of a Thousand
Slain and the stragglers who came back, their wives and
their children went with them, and they were all murdered.

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They were all massacred there in the woods. And the
few who straggled back so much terrified Cincinnati that people
almost abandoned Fort Washington, which was the only foothold we
had in the Northwest territory. If that had happened, Great
Britain would have taken all of the Midwest. This would
all be Canada.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
That's amazing. More with Peter Bronson, he's in Citio. We're
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Speaker 1 (21:23):
Sorry, I was just having this wonderful conversation with Peter
Bronson on air. Off air, we were talking about literature
generally and talking about bookstores because he's going to be
signing books at Joseph Beth Bookstore. He's a huge supporter
Joseph Beth and please support your local bookstores. We only
have like one laugh books. When are you going to
be there, Peter.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I'll be there on Saturdays starting at one o'clock and
I'll be there for a few hours on most Saturdays leading.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Up to Christmas.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Wonderful, wonderful. I'm talking literature with him. I found out
we were both huge Dostoyevsky fans. He's my favorite writer.
So we just we could talk about this stuff all day.
But we're going to move back to Promised Land. How
the Midwest Was Won. His most recent book, again the
kind of prequel to his prior book, The Man Who
Saved Cincinnati early area history before the state was formed,

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the wars with the Native American tribes who were very
murderous and slaughtered lots and lots of people, and they
were cursed as we find. I've had an earlier agnon
by the British. Also, this was a period of time,
this this this development and before statehood.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
History where everybody had firearms.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Used the British or big time on providing the Native
American tribes with firearms to go do this slaughtering for
them absolutely.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
In fact, there were laws in Cincinnati that you could
not attend church without bringing your firearm. No really, yeah,
because it was so dangerous. So to go from one
station to another, you had to take armed guards, to
even send out your daughters to get water two hundred
yards from your blockhouse, to send your sons with weapons.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
So they had scouts out on the field kind of
monitoring everybody's behavior. Oh my gosh, they were everywhere, everywhere.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
So Abraham Covalt, who settled Covalt Station with his family,
was scalped and murdered right under the walls of the stockade,
I mean, right within sight of his family. So, I
mean this was constantly happening. I think probably the most
terrifying thing when I think about it, would be the torture,

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because the white settlers were very brutal. They took scalps,
but what they did not do is kidnap people and
torture them for two or three days for entertainment. And
that was pretty routine in the Indian tribes. It was
part of their culture. They believed that they could they
could take your strength by doing that, and they could

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break you and they really enjoyed seeing people just broken
down to nothingness. And so the types of torture are
just defy the imagine nation.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
They were so creative.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
It's the stuff of I think of, you know, when
you read about German the Nazis torturing people or murdering
people outright, or the Japanese torturing people. And it's hard
trying them on the bamboo fields and letting the bamboo
shoots grow up. Misery and where do I mean where
that comes from? And obviously apparently what I suppose white

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people brought some of that on themselves to some degree,
they did.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
They did.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
In fact, there were times when the militias were sent
out to punish white settlers who were breaking treaties and
were who were murdering Indians, and this just became You
can just imagine if you had found the remains of
your brother, your father, your your son who had been
tortured that way, there would be nothing that would stop
you from trying to exact retribution.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
So just pop in my head, yea, yeah, Gaza Iran
the terror as proxies well, and you know, the Russians
didn't have a real easy shot when they invaded Afghanistan.
I heard about all the torture that the Afghani people
put the Russian soldiers they caught through baking them alive.

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Back to the Roman Empire and the devious ways go
back to the Middle Ages and the torture chambers and
the inquisition. Man mankind is just filled with all kinds
of nasty stuff. There is some dark stuff, really necessarily
out of line with the world's history at all.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Not at all.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
One of the things that I think it does instruct
us about, though, is there has been an attempt in
the past thirty or forty years to rehabilitate the reputation
of these tribes and make them sound less fierce and
more innocent, and more the noble savage of Rousseau. And
really this is just nonsense. I think even they would
be offended by the notion that they weren't that fierce

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and terrorists, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Right, because again, they were duking it out amongst themselves
before we ever showed up. Exactly will continue with Peter
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Speaker 1 (28:47):
Seven forty one fifty five Kosite Talks Station, Loving the
hell out of this hour of Peter Bronson and Studio
Tucking promised Land. How the Midwest was one his most
recent book and a series of fabulous books which you
can find at Chile dog Press dot com. Peter Brownson's
got his own publishing company, Chili Dog Press dot com.
That makes things kind of nice. You don't have to
worry about finding a publisher, Peter.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
That's right. My editor is kind of a jerk, but
that's me.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Oh yeah, Joe wants to do? Is Rob Rider going
to do the audiobook for this one?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yes, he's just finishing the audiobook for the Man from Whosave, Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
So I love that guy.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Rob Ryder is a fantasty guy.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yes, we just had lunch the other day at where
Covalt station.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
How about that? That does not shock me? So, josepheth
this Saturday.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Right coming up in December, December Saturdays, okay, and then
on December first, I'm doing I'm signing at the Little
Miami Brewing Company for the Beer Can Collectors of America.
It's kind of a festival for all these guys who
collect all things related to beer.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I remember beer can collections and I was a little kids.
We're all the rage back in the seventies. Yeah, yeah,
well it's still going. Well, that doesn't shock me, so,
jillidog press dot com or to get this book of
Joe's put on the blog page forty five casy dot
com a guy we have not you and I talked
about off air about this character, but I wanted to
let my listeners know something they're going to find out

(30:10):
about when they read The Promised Land.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Mad Anthony Wayne.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yes, what a fantastic character.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
He's the kind of character when I'm doing research I go, Wow,
I couldn't make this guy up if it was a novel.
He is so interesting. So he was a revolutionary war
hero again. He was at Valley Forge with Washington. He
got the term Mad Anthony because he was so tough.
He led a bayonet charge straight up a mountain side
and took Stony Point from the British under their cannons,

(30:37):
and he wouldn't even let his men load their guns
because he said he wanted to use bayonets because they're quieter. Oh,
and they inspire so much terror. Well, when after Arthur
Saint Clair was completely demolished and defeated and Cincinnati in
the Northwest Territory was in jeopardy from the British, George

(30:58):
Washington turned to his friend Anthony and he said, this
is the guy I want to send him. Well, that
was shocking to Congress at the time. Because Mad Anthony
was a total scoundrel, a rogue. When he was fighting
a war, he was great, But in peacetime he was
a complete failure. He was cheating on his wife, he
was in debt up to his ears. He was kicked

(31:21):
out of Congress for voter fraud. Yeah, and he was
in just a complete disgrace. And so when George Washington
tapped him for this job to go save the Northwest Territory,
the Congress almost wouldn't approve it, but he was sent
and he formed the first paid, formal, congressionally approved US Army.

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And some of the units that served under Matt Anthony
Wayne are still in the US Army today and trace
their origin all the way back to that about that
and he launched from Fort Washington and Cincinnati and built
the chain of forts, and he won the independence and
the freedom and safety of the North with the whole
Northwest Territory at the Battle of Fallen Timbers when he

(32:06):
defeated the Confederation of Tribes, and it was such a
sound defeat. There was a British fort nearby called Fort Miami,
and the Indians had thought they could take refuge in
that if they were defeated, and when they got there,
the British wouldn't open the gates. So the British completely
lost all of their support and backing in the Indian tribes.

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But what's more, when Matt Anthony got to the British fort,
he rode out alone on his horse and rode right
under the walls of the British fort.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
How about that.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
With all these muskets trained on him, and they didn't
dare shoot him because he had his whole army in
the woods.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I mean, what a guy guy You mentioned him being
this absolute miserable person in his private life. Basically yeah,
and I'm thinking on the heels of Matt Gates thrown
at a towel of this Pete Heggs philandering thing going
on that might put him in trouble. Best thing's pale
by comparison this guy and this guy was wildly successful.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Now as a hero, can't judge a book by its covering.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Your heroes or where you get them.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Exactly more one more with Peter Bronson, We'll catch yourself
as a crime stop or bad guy the week right
out of the gate, and then get back to Peter
talking Promised Land. How the West the Midwest was one
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Speaker 1 (35:34):
Seven fifty fifty five KRCD Talks station Brian Thomas with
Peter Bronson in studio talking about his new book which
everyone should get Promised Land How the Midwest was won.
But before we get back to Peter, it is that
time of week where we catch ourselves a crime stopper,
bad guy the week. Welcome back to the morning show
Officer Lisa Big with the wonderful Cincinnai Police Department. Look
at this guy, he looks mean. Who we looking for, Lisa.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
Good morning. We are looking for Jason Haynes. He's wanted
for fellony, domestic violence, unauthorized use of a motor vehicle.
Jason Haynes. He's a white male. He's thirty nine years old.
He's six foot tall, two hundred and twenty one pounds,
has a history of THELONEUS assault and domestic violence charges,
and he frequents.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
And would I hate people who commit domestic violence. Jason
get a life man, walk away. Anyhow, if we know
where Jason Haynes's wife, Beater is I'm gonna assume that anyway,
What are we gonna do, Lisa Baker give crime.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
Stop as a call five one three three five two
thirty four. You can't always assume that either, I.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Know, I know, I know, I apologize, he said. Listen,
I'm never putting words in your mouth, Lisa Baker, as
always me, I take credit so his pictures on my
blowy past few five Percy dot com. You remain anonymous
drop of diamond. Um, you'll be eligible for a cash
reward and be doing society a favor and getting this

(36:57):
recidivious domestic violence abuser off the street. Thank you Lisa
Baker for indulging me. Back to Peter Bronson, all right,
you got mad Anthony Wayne, you got all the history
of the early days of the greater Cincinnati area. You've
talked all morning about the perils of someone biting off

(37:19):
the opportunity, and it was in their mind, an opportunity
to live in this unbelievably treacherous world. Yes, that's just
amazed over that. The spine, the tenacity, the willpower.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know, we talked earlier about how inspiring and proud
these stories made because this is one of those These
are the people Cincinnati was founded on. There's some tough people,
and we get to we follow these families up to
about eighteen thirty six. So in eighteen thirty six the Alamo.
You remember the Alamo, right, everybody remembers the Alamo. Well,

(37:56):
Texas in there, A lot of us don't remember what
that was all about. Texas was actually part of Mexico
and they were fighting for independence from Mexico. And Santa Anna,
who was Generalissimo el Presidente of Mexico, decided he would
personally lead thousands and thousands of Mexican troops up into
Texas and just completely lay waste to these upstarts.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
And he gets to the Alamo, of course we know
that story.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
He also massacred a bunch of prisoners at Goliad, which
was in those days they would say remember Goliad just
as often as remember the Alamo. And so Texas sent
a secret agent, one of their secret service guys. His
name was Francis pickI Yun Smith, great Texas name, and
he was sent to all over the Midwest, and he

(38:44):
came to Cincinnati and he appealed for help, and Cincinnati
was the only city that stood up and helped Texas. Really, yes,
and it was these same families who knew what it
was like to fight for their property and their freedom
in the Northwest Territory. So we had these families like
the Litols, like the Ludlows, like all these famous names

(39:05):
that we know now. Well, these families risked everything because
they violated the National Neutrality Act to help what would
be an insurgency in a foreign country because Texas was
part of Mexico. Well, they risked. Some of them were congressmen,
there were newspaper publishers, and some of them even went

(39:26):
and fought for Texas and enlisted so and one of
them was killed at Goliad. Well, what Cincinnati did was
it forged two cannons and they sent them down to Texas.
And while Sam Houston was running for his life, he
finally had the big set peace battle at Sanjacinto near Houston.

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And if not for those canons, which Santa Anna did
not know that Houston had, Texas would have lost its
independence and today Texas would be part of Mexico. It
was Cincinnati that saved Texas in eighteen thirty six.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Easilise the stuff you find out in your and I
asked you off air about writing as a process, and
your your eyes lit up. Yeah, it's so obvious how
much you enjoy this. And you did point out that
the best part about it is the research. Oh yeah,
just going through all the old records and coming up
with these tidbits and wild information like you just pointed out. Folks,

(40:29):
get a copy of Peter Ronson's most recent book, Promised Land,
How the Midwest Was Won, and I can confidently recommend
all the other books on Peter's very long list of
just wonderful wonderful read Just go to chilidog press dot com.
You get signed copies when you order it from your
work exactly.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yes, I will sign all the copies I sent out.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
And if you go to my website right now, I'm
having a special for Christmas. It's a twenty five percent
off buy one, buy three, get one free.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Oh well, so that's a great way to do your
Christmas shopping. Four gifts.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, get multiple copies of those sets, because you know
there is more than one person you're buying gifts for
in your life, and if they don't live under the
same roof and not sharing books together, you got your
Christmas shopping all the way done at Chili Dogpress dot com.
I have Joe add that link to my blog page
fifty five KR's dot com. Peter, you are always welcome
in my studio. We can talk about anything all day long,

(41:20):
and you know, quite often there's nothing I like more
than getting away from politics and talking about me too.
I'll look forward to seeing again, and you know what,
have a very happy Thanksgiving me YouTube.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Brian.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
It's always good to be with you. Always enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
You got a welcome spot right here, folks, don't go away.
The return of Brian Eyebold nefarious character, Not really.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Some people know him as such.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I know him as the creator of the Help Squad,
a wonderful, wonderful charity operating on the West Side. We're
gonna hear from Brian, and then my mouth is watering already.
Kimberly from the Saint Anthony Patowick Church with Mediterranean food festival,
food and information about that going on this weekend.

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That'll be an eight thirty. I hope you can stick
around in an ever changing world. There's one constant you
can depend on.

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