55KRC Tuesday Morning Show -- 4/8/25

Brian talks with Peter Bronson about his book "Behind the Lines - The Untold Stories of the Cincinnati Riots" on the 24th anniversary, Inside Scoop with Oliver Lance of Breitbart News plus OHC's Dr. Joseph Shaughnessy talks head and neck cancer.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Five o five and thinking about d r C the
talk station.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Suesday, Tuesday, Someday, Honor flight Tuesdays. Yeah, well we could
use a vacation. That'll be me next week. Good to

(00:35):
see Sean mcmannnon. They're coming for Joe Stracker and uh
happy to report it is honor flight Tuesday. I got
a heads up and a reminder. I knew it was
going on, but uh, curbbage. Mike, my submarine or friend
Mike is there active downtown at CVG seeing the veterans off.
He sent me a couple of photographs of the veterans
all lined up getting real excited about taking off. And

(00:55):
of course, excuse me, uh clear, you're in the vocal
cords out this morning. An opportunity to celebrate and participate.
It is, of course the Welcome Home rally, which is
just absolutely truly amazing. If you have an opportunity to
be at CVG Level C tonight around nine oh five,
I recommend getting there a little bit early. You'll be

(01:18):
glad you went. Real healthy dose of patriotism. The veterans
just get so excited and they've had a really, really
long day. You got some senior veterans in that group too,
not all of them, but after an entire day, it's
like twelve hours or so, or maybe even longer than
I think. It's actually longer than that they've been up

(01:38):
at about But it's a real shot of adrenaline for them,
and it's a real shot of adrenaline for you too.
So CVEG tonight nine oh five, level C. Just follow
the crowds. There'll be a lot of people there, and
if you have an opportunity to take some young people there,
I cannot encourage you enough to do that. It's just

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really cool, absolutely cool thing going on. Coming up on
the FITCHW five GARC Morning Show today seven oh five.
God love Peter Brownson. What a great guy, terrific author, historian.
He writes wonderful, wonderful books, and you've had him on
the program many times over the years. Consider him a friend,
and I always enjoy our conversations. Quite engaging he is today.

(02:22):
Actually on tomorrow is the twenty fourth anniversary of the
Cincinnati Riots, and so Peter's gonna be talking a little
about that because he wrote a book about it, Behind
the Lines, Untold Story of the Cincinnati Riots. It just
seems like, well, many cases yesterday, but in many other
cases it seems like a lot longer time ago than that.

(02:45):
So Peter Bronson on that his thoughts, his recollections, and
you know how far we've come since then?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Have we made any progress?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'd like to think so Inside Scoop it is Tuesday,
we get the Inside Scoop with bright Barton News. Today,
London Bureau Chief Oliver Lane returns to the program talk
about what's going on in Europe, what it means for
us and an Empower You seminar. Oliver Lane actually doing
an Empower Youth seminar taking place tonight seven pm. While

(03:15):
authoritarianism has been on their eyes among other among the
political class, a populist reaction is taking place in response.
So that's the subject matter and so today we'll talk
about that on a less in depth basis seven pm.
Empower Youamerica dot org. I believe it is a login

(03:37):
only one. I can double check on that so I
can give you the details later in the program, because
sometimes you can go to the Empower Youth seminar. But
since Oliver Lane is the London Bureau Chief, I doubt
he's going to be flying into town to be at
the empower use seminar studios, so comfort and convenience of
your own home. Go to empower you America dot org.
Just register for it. Because he's a brilliant man, absolutely
wonderful job he's done over the years. Here in the

(03:59):
Morning Show with the inside scoop. Of course, it is Tuesday.
Daniel Davis Deep Dive. He'll join the program at eight
thirty Retired lieutendor Colonel Daniy Davis. I suspect to be
talking about the Ukraine Russia situation. It has been the
dominant topic your conversation between the two of us for
a while now. And then Doctor Show Joseph Shaughnessy, one
of the wonderful doctors at OHC my cancer doctors. Today

(04:21):
we're going to be talking about head and neck cancer.
He is a specialist and head and neck cancer among others.
So lots of valuable information from doctor Shaughnessy. And that'll
be at eight forty five. Uh, it could be you
right now if you want to give me a call
five one, three, seven, four, nine fifty five hundred, eight
hundred and eighty two to three talk go with pound
five fifty on eight and t phones of course, tariff's

(04:41):
on the plate. China's retaliate. They're retaliating. Trump's threatening an
additional fifty percent tariffs.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Some countries are stepping up and saying no, let's sit
down to talk. Taiwan has offered zero tariffs and more
investment in the United States. I call that progress. Japan
wants to sit down and negotiate. Been at in Yaho
announced yesterday that Israel is going to eliminate the trade
deficit with the United States and get rid of reciprocal tariffs.
So progress going in the right direction. But this one

(05:09):
troubled me, moving away from tariffs, and you know it's
sad when I read it. The realities of what is
revealed in this poll. Rutgers University and Network Contagion Research
joined together to a poll. But the fact that it
doesn't shock me. The majority of self identified leftists you

(05:33):
know who you are, say, will be at least somewhat
justified to murder Donald Trump, murder them. Network and Tagent
Research Institute, and again Rutgers University Social Perception LAD released
this poll yesterday as a survey was says support for

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political violence in the United States or the State's results
found the political violence targeting Trump and of course Elon Musk,
in their words, is becoming increasingly normalized. Welcome to social media.
Fifty five percent of those self identified as left of
center said murdering Trump would have at least somewhat justified,

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and a share of forty eight percent of leftists said
the same thing about murdering Elon Musk. You got to
contemplate that, you know, my entire life, I have been
a you know, I have transformed.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I was going to kill them all.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Let God sorted out conservative a long long time ago,
and I woke up to the benefits and realities of
my little l libertarian political viewpoint much much more tolerant.
I appreciate freedom so much more. I appreciate other people's
points of view so much more. And I'm willing to

(06:58):
sit down and discuss various points of view and hopefully
come up with a better answer. You know, the more
you talk, the more you might learn, and the more
willing you are to listen to someone else, the more
there is a possibility that you might change your position.
You may find yourself in the wrong position. And reflecting
back on my life over the years, I admit that
I have been on the wrong side on certain issues.

(07:20):
I've always been conservative. I've always believed in, you know,
low taxation and small government. But you know, in so
far as social issues are concerned, going back to the
libertarian boiled down principles, I trust you with your zipper
and I trust you with your wallet. Makes life easier
when you just can live side by side with people

(07:40):
of different philosophies. But hey, don't take what's mine, I
won't take what's yours, and I won't try to tell
you how to live your life. That's just me boiled down.
But you know you to ask an eighteen year old
Brian Thomas. That fine. But at no point in anywhere
in my life that I think it would have ever
been appropriate to murder someone who is on the op
opposite side of the political ledger of me, regardless of

(08:03):
how far opposite they are. I just don't understand this,
the idea of violence being embraced by so many people. Overall,
thirty eight percent that was at least somewhat justified to
murder Donald Trump thirty one percent of the same about
Elon Musk, The surveyors found a quote broader assassination culture

(08:34):
appears to be emerging within the segments of the US
public on the extreme left. Note there is an absence
of the same conclusions on the extreme right, according to
their findings, quote the finding signal a threat to political
stability and public safety. Well look what we got going
on out in the world. CEOs of Evil Healthcare Corporation

(08:56):
is getting gunned down, shot in the back of the head.
And the reaction from so many people on the left
is to embrace the guy, sell t shirts with the
guy's picture on it, set up funding for this, you know,
this assassin.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
They've got him on film doing it.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Survey also found thirty nine point eight percent of respondent
said is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy a Tesla
dealership and protest? And you know, as this goes on
and all of this is being celebrated online, you know,
and it's always easy to say, you know, if this

(09:36):
was the right wing going it, if the right was
doing us and they went after a Shaw and Shaw,
and you know, there'd be absolute outrage. Well that's because
the mainstream media tends to lean left, if you haven't
noticed that, And yeah, I do believe there would be
a lot more outrage. But you know, fundamentally where our
are our politicians. The silence from the left is deafening

(09:58):
on this violence. It's been express against well doge for example.
They're uncovering fraud, waste, and abuse. They're not impacting many
people's lives. Yes, they are pairing back the size and
scope of a government that has gotten so big it
can't account for the money it takes from you. And

(10:21):
you happens to be everybody across the political spectrum, assuming
you're working. And how is that a bad thing unless
you're part of some global cabal that wants to get
rid of the United States completely. And I know there's

(10:41):
a segment of the of the political spectrum out there
that is that way. I'd like to hope and get
down on my knees and pray that that segment is very,
very small. That the vast majority of us want to
live in our own country and and and have the
freedoms that we enjoy, want to be able to get
him and go to work, not be told to you

(11:05):
know what we can and cannot buy, which seems to
be what the globist cabal want to do. Control the
terms of conditions of every element of our lives. We
like to think the vast majority of us here in
this country do not ascribe to that. But where is
the outrage and where is the resistance? I mean, you'd

(11:25):
think that some of the Democrat Party who has to
understand that, you know, in the face of all of
the years of screaming about and hatred that was stirred
and the ire that was directed toward Donald Trump, evil
orange man, you couldn't mention his name without putting the

(11:46):
whole stream of expletives in front of it. Or you know, racist, nazi, homophobes, emophobe,
you know, on and on and on and on and on.
We heard of that for years and years and years,
and yet he beat Kamala Harris in the popular vote.
And as more and more analysis comes out, you know,
it was a lot of the positions that the left embraced,

(12:07):
the far left wing of the Democrat Party by all accounts,
not just Brian Thomas's opinions, the opinions of many people
who are you know, regular Democrat commentators, folks that are
Democrats that do political analysis, pollsters, people even within the
Democrat Party. You know, we're in the wrong directions. Vice

(12:29):
presidential candidate Waltz actually admitted that the other day out loud.
You know, we need to rethink where we are. The
American people do not embrace this far left craziness. And
as with that in mind, if you want to try
to rehabilitate yourself, don't you think that you, as a Democrat,

(12:52):
were doing yourself a service if you're an elected capacity,
or if you're the head of some group or organization
that you know, we got to quit burning people's property.
We gotta quit destroying a product that many people went
out and bought in the name of what saving the planet,

(13:12):
perhaps zero emissions cars. Maybe they bought the product because
they wanted it, and Tesla makes an outstanding product just
because you know, Elon Musk goes out and saves us
billions of dollars from going overseas for absolutely bad crap,
insane programs, and is following the money trail, and we're

(13:33):
learning more and more that maybe that money didn't quite
make it overseas and maybe it's being put to the
various purposes. I don't know, but how can that be
a bad thing so much so that you can justify
destroying your neighbor's car. And probably a decision that was

(13:54):
made before Elon Musk had anything to do with the
Department of Governmental Efficion, and see back when he was
a cool guy. The silence is deafening, and I don't know,
I listen. I'm not here to try to help the
Democrats out. I just they puzzled that they don't seem
to have more common sense and logic and reason about this.

(14:16):
But now look at what these polling reflects. More and
more people out there embraced the concept of murdering them.
And I bet if you set him in, they couldn't
even figure out a reason why they could justify the
even the thought of murdering them. Five nineteen fifty five

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Thirty seven fifty five pers of the talk VIS five
twenty three on an honor flight Tuesday. Let's go straight
to the phones where my submarine or friend cribbage Mike
is there live. Welcome Mike, Thanks for reminding me this
morning it is honor flight day.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
How is it down there?

Speaker 5 (15:38):
I tell you just about everybody's checked in, the bagpipes
are stationed, and Cheryl Pop's stop ready to kick off
this ceremony. That's going to be a wonderful day. And
I'm almost I'm mad at myself because I didn't bring
my cribbage board because we actually have another submarine vetteran
the work flight.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Now, can you as is it safe to presume, ussume
or no with one certainty that if they were a
submariner that you do know how to play the game
of crivage.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
When I was an instructor at submarine school, that was
usually day two of training. You can't pass cribbage off
to the surface fleet.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
I love that. I love that.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
So what the vast majority of veterans I guess are Vietnam, Yes, or.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
Almost almost one hundred percent on this flight, just looking
at the itinerary, and predominantly mostly Army, Army and Navy
are out of the eighty eight, we got nine Marines,
twenty air Force. But just everybody's fired up and ready
to go and just can't wait to get them there

(16:44):
to DC see the memorials. I mean, even though I
know what's coming, Flora, famous American just allergy outworks all
day long.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Oh yeah, tonight at nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Absolutely, and you might experience analogy outbreak if you are
there at CVG at nine oh five, get their early
for the welcome home rally. It's just such a worthy
thing to do. So are you flying this time, Mike.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Myself and mister Andrew Pappas will be on the flight
to experience the entire day with these veterans and just
cannot wait.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Well, having done it twice, I know what a treat
it is and a pleasure it is to be there
and participate, and I know you're going to have a
fantastic day. Godspeed and safe travels to each and every
one of you. I will look forward to hearing. Maybe
you give me a call tomorrow morning and tell my
listeners what the welcome home event was like is It's
always a great thing to get a recap on the
whole day as well as the welcome home rally.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Maybe my pleasure, Brian Thomas, and once again, thank you
so very much for your one percent support.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Hey man, it's the least I can do. I love
you guys, Be safe, have fun and again I'll look
forward to here getting a recap tomorrow from you, Mike.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Safe travels.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
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Sadly no podcast on the podcast page from yesterday's morning show.
Really enjoyed talking to folks, but since Joe Strecker's not
in uh, it didn't get updated, and me being technologically impaired,
I don't know how to update the page to take

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care of that. So we can go to local stories.
Man accuse letting his dogs attack Cincinnati police officers and
Diameda grand jury yesterday. According to the Hamilin County Prosecutor's office,
twenty six year old Darryl Stowers was indicted on one
filonious assault charts as well as two additional misdemeanor charges

(19:02):
of assault and resisting arrest. Since The police said March
twenty nine, they responded to one hundred Craft Street around
one am after receiving a report that someone had fired shots.
Got there, women told police that Stowers had hit her
with a gun during an argument over her issues in
the neighborhood. Police said the woman had injuries to her ear.

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Two police officers attempted to arrest Stowers, and they said
he ran into his house and released his dogs. Prosecutor
state Stowers did this intentionally so the dogs would attack
the police officers since a police said one officer managed
to tackle Stowers and got bitten on the calf by
one of the dogs. Stowers remains in the Hamilton Kunty

(19:46):
Detention Center on a twenty five thousand dollars bond. See
what are since at police officers have to go through
each and every day? This kind of thing happens all
the time. It's a shame too that we don't support
our police more often. Can you imagine going to work
every day realizing that this is the kind of thing
that might very well happen to you. Good Butler County
man found dead along a riverbank in Butler County, said

(20:08):
Rob Bron, who spokesperson for the Pendleton County Emergency Management Services.
Bron said the man found Monday around four pm at
the end of Matter Street near Butler Bridge. Kentucky State
Police say they received a call about a possible drowning
after a citizen reported seeing a body wearing a life
jacket and floodwaters. Pendleton County Search and Rescue team recover

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the body of sixty six year old Robert E. Singleton
from Butler. According to Kentucky State Police officials also found
his canoe and what they believe is his truck. Bron said.
Singleton was a member of the Lions Club and a
lifelong environmentalist. Cornel Ronnie had a heart for making Pendleton
County look good. Butler one of the two cities in

(20:50):
Pendleton County that had a mandatory evactuation. Evacuation orders lifted yesterday.
Residents must now show proof of residence before they're allowed
to re enter the city limits, according to a that's
good to prevent looters from getting in there. Hamilton County
Prosecutor's office determined the actions taken by a Lachland police

(21:11):
officer and the fatal officer involved shooting on northbound Ice
seventy five was justified. Forty eight year old Samuel Mumiarutt
That's as good as I can get at, Folks of
Woodlawn was the man who was shot and killed on
the shoulder Eye seventy five near Glendell Milford Road. Happen
while police from multiple agencies searched for suspects who fled

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a crashed stolen vehicle that had just led police on
a chase in two counties two thirty in the morning
on March nineteenth, Hamilton County Prosecutor County pillichs said Mumaru
Tt was seen walking on the interstate when Lockholm police
officers responded to the scene. Officer from two counties were
looking for suspects after that crash. After spotting this guy

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walking on the highway, Lachland officers stopped the cruiser with
lights and sirens on. Officer used seven verbal commands, but
m are Utt was not listening. Pilich explained. He was
also holding a metal pipe or rod in his hands.
Body camera footage shows the sheriff's deputy with a canine
responding to the confrontation, and the video Lachlan officer is

(22:16):
heard saying, quote he's got something in his hands as
well as he's not listening to my orders. Phillich said
the officers gave multiple commands, even deploy his taser before
firing several rounds at the suspect. Pillich said, quote, no
officer ever wants to resort to the use of force.
The officer feared for his life and first tried to

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subdue this man with a taser. Our house, our hearts
go out to the Mi Miratutis family, but it's important
every officer who has dedicated their life to protecting citizens
returns to their own family at night. He was confirmed
dead at the scene corner of the Prosecutor's office. It's
unknown if the forty eight year old was even involved

(22:58):
in the police pursuit or just happened to be walking
on the interstate. I'll I hope your Criminal Investigations has
been investigating the shooting since that morning. Yesterday, BCIs spokesman
said the agency's investigation remains ongoing. Mermaiy Rtt's family, he
told Fox nineteen last month, they believe he may have
been an innocent bystander. He didn't speak English and was

(23:21):
a refugee from the Congo. Days before he was shot, though,
Woodlawn police arrested him on an assault charge. Court show
record show he was accused by a man who said
he did not know Memorary Utt of attacking him with
a white metal poll and trying to hit him with
it at the metro bus stop. The officer who shot

(23:43):
this guy not wearing a body camera. That's because the
four Lachland officers who had been testing the devices for
the department weren't working at the time. According to the
police chief and his explanation five point thirty five forty
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in which they received, which means Corey's first Corey, good morning,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (24:34):
More on Bryan your story about Officer mass shooting story
thik tek is my bloods boyle uh. First of all,
the place, only have you use the right to use
legal force any of any of the rest of us.
Your life is in you know, a major of Gray
Bodley harm or dead. There was no way that cop was.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
In any of that.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
The cops in my onion, they.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
Go through the academy they train for the shooting and
you're probably not gonna like this, but the majority of
them are trigger happy. They want to use that training
regardless of the situation that cops should be charged to murder,
and for the fop set back the cop and do
everything they can to clear him is an injustice. This

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happens a lot. That happens, maybe not in the the
case of someone getting murdered, but people's rights being violated.
Police assaulting people, pulling people over for no reasons, in
lying about why they pulled over, and searching for a
reason to justify their detention, and then whatever comes after that, And.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
That is one of the reasons.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
I guess the police have.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
The bad rep And I'm a huge conservative. I'm back
to good cops, but not the bad ones. And I
used to be that one of those people. Back to blue,
Back to blue until happens to you, and it happened
to me back in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Completely change my outlook on cops as I am come
to my house, lie, assault me, take me to jail,
and throw me in a cage for absolutely nothing. And
this until the justice system is reformed. The stuff that
is going to continue. You need to get rid of
the qualified community.

Speaker 7 (26:24):
I know there's a bill to a petition circulating to
be put on the ballot coming up to.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
In qualified muni.

Speaker 7 (26:31):
There's five other states that done it. Colorado, for example,
there has been no drop in police recruiting. Everything's remain
the same until they get read of qualified immunity. Cops
have this free range to do what they want because
they one, they know the fops go on.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
To back it.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
They have assurance to cover any damage as they do,
and more times than not they're found not guilty and
they're allowed to keep their job and do the sort
of thing again.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, I'd love to unfold there, and I suppose the
attorneyman he would like to swear you in for deposition
and go through all of the allegations you just made.
But I find it an absolute insult. You suggest that
they're all trigger happy and can't wait to use deadly force.
I'm gonna throw a giant barber streisand flag on that. Yes,
it does happen from time to time, but you're in

(27:22):
a very stressful situation. And my sister twenty five years
of proud service on the CINCINNTI police force. Never had
to use deadly force, never wanted to. Fortunately, in spite
of the fact of all that she had been through,
spit on, beat up, punched, abused, never had to head
to go down that road. And the officers that I

(27:42):
know don't share your opinion of them, so you know
you're entitled to your opinion. Sounds like you want to
defund the police, So you go ahead and go down
that road and you can enjoy like living in a
city like Seattle, which has turned into a hellhole because
of having that attitude and generally demonizing police at large.
Let's see what Carl's got this morning. Karl, welcome in

(28:02):
the Morning Show. In a very happy Tuesday to you.

Speaker 8 (28:05):
Good morning, Brian Say. I heard Christopher Smytherman on your
show yesterday and he was talking about how drivers are
having tire blowouts due to the potholes. Yeah, well, he's
absolutely correct, and the drivers are filing claims with the
city and the claims are being denied. I've got a
tip here. Drivers need to check the three one one

(28:25):
system before they file the claim, and they also need
to take a photo of the pothole. If the pothole
was large enough to blow a tire. Chances are that
it's been reported, and this happened in the neighborhood. I
reported those potholes for years to the city and they
never got filled. A driver had a blowout, and of
course the driver filed a claim with the city, and

(28:47):
the city denied the claim. I had to claim in
front of me. The city says that they had no
if they had no prior knowledge of the potholes, so
they shouldn't have to pay for it. Ohio revived Code
twenty seven forty four point zero five limits claims to
circumstances where the city had to have prior knowledge and

(29:08):
filed and failed to act within a reasonable amount of time.
And then the city goes on to say this decision
is final. My opinion is there needs to be an
investigation of these claims. Well, yeah, scandalus. This is ridiculous.
If there are any trouble TV troubleshooters out there listening
to the show this morning, they might want to do
a story on this.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
That's a great idea, Carl, That's a great idea, because
I've had a couple other callers say the same thing. Actually,
I believe there was one of the local News reported
on it that all these claims get denied because the
city says, well, we've been there, you know, we we
just recently, you know, we're out on that road and
we fixed that pothole. Must have magically appeared in the
time we were there fixing the road and when you
had your damage done to your car. So it sounds

(29:50):
like a convenient and simplified or simple way of them
just denying the claim because I think the presumption is
on their side many many times. But if there is
a prior report, they were on notice and that's the
critical element needed to get your money back.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
I liked the idea. Appreciate the calls set five forty
six if you have car cede talk station five fifty
two if you have CARSD talk station stack is stupid.
We got to de Ral, Florida, where a woman was
arrested after she allegedly condomand at one thousands of dollars
during a bogus tarot card reading and spiritual cleansing. Well,

(30:29):
you know, all tarot card readings and spiritual cleansings are bogus.
I'm on record anyway. Cord to the rest report. Cameron
Valdez del Miguel sixty seven, arrested and facing charges of
organized scheme to defraud, grand theft, and resisting an officer
without violence. The con began March eleventh. The man found
a flyer on his car for a tarot card reading

(30:50):
and called the number mistake, spoke to the woman, the
report read, and agreed to a tarot card reading session
for twenty bucks. Two days later, the man went to
the apartment met Valdiz d Miguel, who reportedly referred herself
as Maria Rodriguez. During the reading, she told the man

(31:10):
he needed a deeper spiritual cleansing procedure. That's in quote
that of course costs more, uh specifically between six hundred
and seven hundred dollars. There's your up charge you want
that clear coat. Trusting her advice, the man agreed to
partial payment and transferred two hundred dollars through Zell. He
then returned to the apartment met with Valdi's de Miguel

(31:31):
again on March fourteenth for the so called spiritual cleansing
session he had pre paid.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
A portion of report detailed.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Did Valdez de Miguel ask the man during the session
about his available bank balance?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Red flag again, and.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
He reportedly told her he had eight thousand dollars. After
that response, Valdez de Miguel then allegedly asked him to
bring the full amount next time and assured him that
if she were to use the money in a ritual,
it would double and she would return it the same day.
How many red flags we got in this? One man

(32:10):
returned to the apartment with three grand in cash March nineteenth,
where Valdez de Miguel placed the money in a bag
with eggs during the ritual. The report state of the
bag was broken upon opening. The man claimed that it
was what was left inside were broken eggs and worms.
Man told authorities that Valdes demcval appeared to be startled

(32:31):
by what was in the bag, but when he asked
if for his money back, she claimed she couldn't do it.
Quote due to her state of mind. Close quote your ruse.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Your cunning attempt to trick me, Well play. John.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Valdez de Miguel then allegedly assured the man that his
money would be returned the next day. Reports import the
state of the man made multiple attempts to contact her
by following the encounter, but that she refused to return
the money, shocking literally no one quarter of the report.
She asserted that she asserted that the funds were part
of a ritual and could not be released until the

(33:07):
candles extinguished on their own, despite having previously assured the
victim that his money be returned the same day, no
explanation about which candles. On Monday, Valdiz demcgal taking it
to custody. Officers gave her the opportunity to return the money,
but she denied knowing the man. Report said that she
also resisted being taken into custody and use a fake name.

(33:28):
During the arrest, investigators also told that they had discovered
valdisde Miguel had three warrants in separate theft cases. Appeared
before a judge who set her bond at fifty five
hundred dollars. According to Judge Mindy Glazer in a statement, okay,
I had a chance to review this very interesting affidavit,
which also makes one realize you should never respond to

(33:49):
a flyer left on your vehicle for Tarot card readings
because you don't know what's going to happen, especially when
you're asking to bring three thousand dollars in cash put
the money in a bag with some eggs. This is bizarre.
That will be judgment y Glazer stating the obvious. Or
you could just not go to Tarot card readings. Hey, Sean,

(34:12):
you got twenty bucks, I'll do a Tarrort card reading
for you, all right? Five fifty six, fifty five Gara
CD talk stations stick around, play to talk about coming up,

(34:32):
or you can feel free to call it love to
hear from me either way. Right back after the news,
So five and fifty got Ter CD talk station Ryan
Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Tuesday, trying to make
it so look forward to seven oh five, the return
of Peter Bronson in studio incomparable author, writer and publisher.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
He is chilidog press dot com.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
If we want to try to get your book published,
he wrote the I guess, like what I guess? Joe
Strecker referred to it, and many did. They defendit A
book on the sense of Natty Riots. Tomorrow the twenty
first anniversary of the Cincinni Riots, and Peter wrote a
book about it, Behind the Lines, The Untold Story of
the Cincinnati Riots. We'll talk about that, his analysis, his

(35:11):
reflections on it. You know how far have we come
and we kind of we made improvements and also I'm
sure we have more to talk about. Peter's just a
really just brilliant and interesting guy, great conversationalist is So
I'm going to enjoy that hour and I'm sure you
will too if you can hang out for it. It
is Tuesday, so we do the inside scoop with Bright
Barton News. Today, London beer chief Oliver Lane returns. He's

(35:32):
doing an empower You seminar tonight seven pm empower Youamerica
dot Org. I believe it is a log in from
home only class because think he's in London anyway. The
topic he'll be talking about tonight and what he'll be
talking about today at eight oh five what's happening in
Europe and what it means to us. Daniel Davis Deep

(35:52):
Dive every Tuesday at eight thirty with retired lieutenant colonel
and I'm sure he'll give us a thoughtful analysis an
update of what's going on between Russia and Ukraine. Although
I don't know specifically, since Strecker's not in what Daniel
Davis specifically wants to talk about. I'm well to roll
with the punches with Daniel. He's brilliant guy. I always
enjoyed those conversations. Care see cares today, ohc my cancer doctors,

(36:14):
Doctor jose Shannas, you'll be in studio talking about head
and neck cancer. And of course, and thank you all
the listeners for the prayers. Since I'm getting my CT
scan today, it's really hanging over my head, and honestly,
I don't expect, you know, good news, or I don't
expect like a reversal or like I'm going into remission
since the last one. But you know, I'm just hoping

(36:37):
my dietary changes might have had an effect. But as
I mentioned before, it doesn't matter. I talked about my
dietary changes and getting rid of sugar and really really
reducing my carbs, and it resulted in, you know, seventeen
pound weight loss. I'm kind of stuck at seventeen. But
I only say it out loud because you might consider
that path given RFK Junior in all the talk about

(36:58):
trying to improve the diet and health of America. I
just feel better. So, you know, maybe my cancer has grown,
maybe my lymph nodes are bigger. I'll have to go
maybe get more cancer treatments. From OHC. If that's the
hand that I've been dealt, that is the path that
I'll go down. But doesn't change the fact that it
feel better as a consequence of my dietary changes. So

(37:21):
if you're feeling lethargic, you have you don't have any energy,
You're always feeling run down, and you might well consider
what you're putting in your body.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Just a thought.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I do care, and I'm going to turn to a
list of friendly op ed because I think it's really
it made some wonderful points, and it reminded me all
the conversations I've had over the years with the associated
builders and contractors and all the great earn while you
learn trade programs that are out there, plumbers, electricians, h fact,
they're just such a huge demand and these are good

(37:53):
paying salaries. These are career opportunities. You don't need to
go to college necessary. There are college degrees that are valuable,
but there's a bunch of them that aren't worth the
paper that they're printed on and you end up in debt.
So with that in mind, it's one of the reasons
I wanted to read her off that piece today because
it makes some great points. So listen friendly rights. President

(38:15):
Trumps proclaims his tariffs will bring manufacturing jobs back to
the US. Good luck finding workers to fill them. A
common lament among employers, especially manufacturers, is they can't find reliable,
conscientious workers who can pass a drug test. Single women
might commiserate. A good worker, like a good man, can

(38:35):
be hard to find these days. That's a two way street, though,
Alyssa I will point out blame government, which showers benefits
on able bodied people who don't work, while at the
same time subsidizing college degrees that don't lead to productive employment.
The result is millions of idle men and millions of
unfilled jobs, what an economist would call a dead weight

(38:56):
loss to society. All business owners in March reported job
openings they couldn't fill, with larger shares in construction fifty
six percent, transportation fifty three percent, and manufacturing forty seven percent.
That's according to last week's National Federation of Independent Business Survey.

(39:18):
The Labor Department's Job Openings and Labor Turnover survey of
businesses tells a similar story. There are twice as many
job openings in manufacturing than in the mid two thousands,
as a share of employment, save for during the pandemic,
American worker shortage is the worst in fifty years. Decades ago, productivity,

(39:42):
enhancing technology and yes, inexpensive imports caused men who worked
on shop floors to lose their jobs and drop out
of the workforce. But this generation is sailing into the
sunset and there are many fewer young Americans who want
to work in factories. The labor force participation rate among
working age men is now about five points lower percentage

(40:02):
points lower than in the early nineteen eighties. Consequently, they
are about three point five million fewer men between the
ages of twenty five and fifty four in the workforce
and one point three million between the ages of twenty
five and thirty four then there would have been were
it not for this decline. Labor participation among working age women,

(40:24):
on the other hand, recently hit a record in part
because they are having fewer children, which is related to
their difficulties and finding sustainable, suitable mates, and I think
their unwillingness to even consider marriage, I might interject because
of career at the risk of stereotyping, women are more

(40:45):
inclined toward quote unquote helping professions such as services than
those that require physical labor. So where have all the
good working men gone? Some are subsisting on government benefits
or living off their parents. About seventeen percent of working
age men are on Medicaid, seven point four percent on

(41:07):
food stamps, six point three percent on Social Security, many
claiming disability payouts, according to the Census Bureau. Many spend
their days playing video games and day trading friends. And
they've seen young men on dating apps claim to be
working as self employed traders, financial bloggers, and even quote

(41:29):
retired financial a retired financial engineer close quote apparent euphemisms
for Robin hood brows. That's also quote who speculate on
stocks and share tips on Reddit. When stocks were booming,
many didn't have to work in the traditional sense. After
last week's plunge, they might. Other missing men are taking

(41:51):
longer to finish college or are pursuing graduate degrees. Only
about forty one percent of men complete a bachelor's degree
in four years, and about a quarter take more than six.
Reminds me of that line from Bluto and Animal House,
seven years of college down the drain. Many high paying
vocations don't require college degrees, but government subsidies and public

(42:15):
k through twelve schools. Nonetheless, steer high school students to
that track. Federal student loans won't pay for apprenticeships, but
they will cover the cost, including living expenses, of worthless
graduate degrees in community organizing, creative writing, tourism, dance, and more.
Rarely does one need an advanced degree to enter such fields,

(42:36):
but colleges have convinced Americans that they do as a
means of raking in more federal dollars. Many millennials and
Gen z Zoomers struggle to find jobs in their chosen
fields of study and don't want to work in others
or in jobs they view as beneath them, so some
simply don't work. Consider the unemployment rate among recent college

(43:02):
grads with a sociology degree is six point seven percent,
and their median wage is forty five thousand dollars a
cord to the New York Federal Reserve Bank, sociology grads
could earn twice as much working on an auto assembly line,
which pays on average one hundred thousand dollars a year.
Good gig, but not many wanted. The reality is that

(43:26):
masses of young people who have been taught that capitalism
is exploitative, don't want to work in factories. They'd rather
mooch off taxpayers or their parents. Still, many men who
don't go to college also don't want to work in
factories or other blue collar occupations, perhaps because they don't
believe there's dignity in such jobs. Only thirty one percent
of blue collar workers feel that their type of work

(43:47):
is respected, according to a Pew Research Center survey that
came out last week. Any wonder when politicians and both
parties proclaim such workers are exploited. There's dignity in any work,
a message that deserves to be emphasized by the President
and i'd say all elected officials. The client and work

(44:09):
among young men is a far bigger problem for the
nation's economic and cultural vitality than the decline in manufacturing jobs,
and it can't and won't be solved with tariffs. That
thinks she makes some great points. You know I'm on record.
You know I've I mentioned many times. I think of
the garbage collectors that come and take away my garbage,

(44:30):
and God bless each and every one of you, hard working,
mostly men, although I'm sure there are some female garbage collectors.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for those folks
getting up and going out every day for a job
that so many people are willing to demean.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
What do you want to be a gavage collector? Yeah,
how about it?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
You can make a decent wage something society desperately needs,
because what would the place look like without them working
every day? And the same thing goes across the board.
I've always been very critical of people say that, you know,
you went fries with that demean folks that choose to
work in fast food. That was the original first job
for most high school kids. Not that I think it

(45:06):
should be your permanent life job, but you know, you
can work up and be a manager of one of
those and make a decent, respectable career out of it.
Work is its own reward, and we should be supportive
of people who are willing to get up every day
and go do some hard work. And you know that
that term the jobs Americans won't do that is such

(45:29):
a disgusting concept. What do you mean the jobs Americans
won't do well because you're from some different country that
makes that job? Here, you take that job. We're Americans,
We're not going to do it. Where did that attitude
come from whatever happened to the American work ethic? What
are happened at being respectable? And you know saying, listen,

(45:50):
I'm going to go out and find employment rather than
get on the public doll because I'm not going to
move off my fellow man when I'm capable. That's why
I appreciate the work require. If you're going to get
on snap benefits, at least put twenty hours a week
in with some free job training. And that applies to
people who are able by it. If you're disabled, that's

(46:12):
a different story. It's a different analysis and should be
a different set of factors that applies to it. But
if you're twenty five years old, you are capable, you're
physically able, you're able to get up out of bed
in the morning rather than watching video games. Why not
take advantage of a career opportunity. Get one of these
union programs, or you can be an apprentice and make
money while you learn a trade, and then you can

(46:33):
become free and independent, pay taxes and then complain about
the taxes you're paying because oh, look, you're promoting fruit
juice in Africa or something. I got some interesting dogs
figures that have come out. They further reflect the insanity
of where your taxpayer dollars are going. Join in the fund,
learn to complain about the American taxpayers dollars being misspent

(46:55):
by corrupt government officials. But unless you're work and paying
taxes into the federal system or state systems best, you
don't have any incentive to complain about it or care
about it. You may feel differently, You can feel free
to call in the meantime six twenty two if you

(47:15):
have care City talk station, Happy Tuesdays, all right, speaking
of paying taxes and being upset and what your money's
going to be spent on, and everyone should be. This
is why I appreciate what the Department of Government Efficiency
is doing in spite of the screening, whaling and gnashing
of teeth on a bunch of people who don't appreciate
the fact that our money is being wasted and colossally so.

(47:36):
Box nineteen provided the info on this one. Apparently the
Department of Government Efficiency announced fifty one and I know
it's million dollars.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I know it's a paltry amount.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
But this is just an accumulated sum over time, every
little dollar every year, if you mind the pennies of
dollars mind themselves. Well, if you mind the millions, the
billions end up mining themselves. So let's start with fifty
one million dollars in cuts to something called the US
African Development Foundation, an announcement on X here's what they

(48:08):
told us about and these were canceled. So two just
under twourre and thirty thousand dollars used to market one
hundred percent organic shade butter in Burkina Fasso, Just under
twohundred and fifty thousand dollars spent on mango drying facilities
in the Ivory Coast. Just under two and forty thousand

(48:32):
dollars spent on marketing pineapple juice in benin African Country
or African Countries and Cities. Department also said about one
hundred thousand dollars spent to increase yogurt production in Uganda,
just about eighty five thousand dollars spent on a business

(48:53):
incubator for SPA and wellness entrepreneurs, and of all places
in Nigeria, fifty grand spent to train farmers on how
to grow dragon fruit in Senegal, and forty eight little
over forty eight thousand dollars spent on a What's App

(49:14):
marketing chatbot in Kenya last month, THOUGHS previously shared that
it determined one hundred and thirteen contracts valued at four
point seven billion dollars, including a US Department of Agriculture
consulting contract valued at one hundred and forty five thousand

(49:35):
dollars for PERU climate change activities.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Funding.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Canceled also included ten million dollars for gender equity in
the Mexican workplace twelve point two million for worker empowerment
in South America. That would cracked me up too, because
South America is a continent, and I could quickly find
the figure with a quick search engine search. But I'm
gonna say, there's millions and millions and millions of people

(50:03):
in South America. Twelve point two million for worker empowerment
in South America. How far do you think that money
actually goes? And how much worker empowerment can you bring
about in South America with twelve point two million dollars
Considering it's a continent full of people. You know, there's
some lucky so and so down there that's now sitting

(50:26):
on twelve point two million dollars. Actually this was canceled thankfully,
but would have been sitting on twelve point two million
dollars in his or her bank account because I don't
know their friends with somebody connected with the United States government,
and probably a share of that money would have been
kicked back to someone here in the United States, probably
in the greater Washington, DC area, to fund some sort

(50:47):
of political organization or otherwise land in the pocket of
some politician. Do I know this for a fact? No,
not yet, but wait for it. If you give them
enough time, maybe they'll follow the money. And somebody's screaming
out in the park on Saturday justifying all of this
and saying none of this should be cut because Elon

(51:09):
Musk is evil, and about fifty five percent of left
to say that he should be killed, or at least
lean toward the notion that he should be murdered, according
to that study that I started the morning show out with. Yeah,
because of this, Eric, hang on, if you don't mind
out of time in this segment, I'd love to hear
from you.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
And if you don't mind holding for a moment.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
It is just I six thirty two fifty five krc
DE talk station go straight to the phones. I promised Eric,
I take his call right out of the gate and
fulfilling my promise. Eric, thanks for holding over the break
of Welcome to the Morning Show.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
Marian Brian, just out here on my way to work
so I can keep paying taxes and wonder where they're all.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Going mango dehydration in Africa.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
There that I want to take just a bit of exception.
I really do wish we would stop talking about poultry
thumbs of millions of dollars, because I would love to
have a poultry sum in my bank account. I don't
know about you.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
You're not politically connected, Eric, You're not. You're not part
of this system.

Speaker 6 (52:13):
You need to work for some n g O name
isn't Soros or Biden? What the heck are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Well, their money, their money does trickle down to uh,
those that are well connected, you know.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
I mean you mean, you mean the people that were
in the park screaming and shouting.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Sorry anyway, well, one hundred dollars, one hundred dollars a
trip or whatever. You know, if you if you're not
working for a living and someone's willing to hand you
one hundred dollars for a couple hours of labor, I
suspect you might take it.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
What's my labor?

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Go out and scream, Okay, I got it. There you are.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Everyone has that skill set. You don't need a four
year college degree to yell, although there are a lot
of people that go to college for four years maybe
six years to learn how to yell and protest. I
have a great day for calling brother. There's so much

(53:05):
truth in comedy, isn't there? All right, let's get a
local story in here. Man accused letting his dogs attack
since a police officers and indicted by a grand jury yesterday,
Hamilton County Prosecutor's officer said twenty six year old Daryl
stoweres indicted on one felonious assault charge, as well as
two additional misdemeanor charges of assault and resisting arrest. According

(53:27):
to police, March twenty ninth, they showed up be at
one hundred Craft Street one o'clock in the morning after
reports that someone had fired shots. When police got there,
a woman told them that Stowers had hit her with
a gun and during an argument over an issue in
the neighborhood. Police say the woman had injuries to her
ear When police officers attempted to arrest Stowers. They said
he ran into his house and then released three of

(53:49):
his dogs. According to the reporting, Stowers did this intentionally
so that the dogs would attack the police officers. Since
police say one of the authors managed to tackle Stowers
got bit on the calf by one of the dogs,
he remains in the Hamilton County Detention Center in a
twenty five thousand dollars bond must not have been in

(54:12):
front of Judge Silverstein. Man who was found dead along
the riverbank and Butler said, According to the spokesperson for
the Pendal County Emergency Management, Rob Broun, Man found Monday
four pm at the end of Maider Street near Butler Bridge.
Kentucky State Police said they received a call about a
possible drowning after someone reported seeing a body wearing a

(54:32):
life jacket in floodwaters. Pendleton County Search and Rescue team
recovered the body of sixty six year old Robert Singleton
from Butler. Officials also found Singleton's canoe and what they
believe is his truck. According to bron Singleton was a
member of the Lions Club and a lifelong environmentalist, and
a quote he said he had a heart for making
Pendleton County. Look good, Butler one of two cities in

(54:56):
Penalton County that had a mandatory evacuation order lifted yesterday.
Resident must show proof of residence before they're allowed to
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Speaker 1 (55:29):
It's a forty on a Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Looking forward to the period after the Top of the
Air News Full Hour with Peter Bronson in studio. You
are the twenty fourth anniversary of the Cincinnati Riots, who
wrote a book about it, Behind the Lines, The Untold
Story of the Cincinnati Riots. And I'm sure Peter and
I will have much more to talk about beyond that.
But great man, he is very interesting and I'm sure
you'll enjoy the conversation. Let us jump over to the

(55:52):
phone before I move on. Mike's on the line five
on three seven four nine fifty five hundred eight hundred
eight two three talk Mike, thanks for calling this morning.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (56:00):
A Brian.

Speaker 9 (56:01):
I've called about the flooding and way the news is
covering it like it's that river, like the Ohio River's
never flooded before. It's like, this is like the weather.
You're like, oh, this is horrible. I'm like it floods
at least every two or three years. We get the
baths of flooding.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Down there, sometimes more than others. And this is a pretty.

Speaker 9 (56:21):
Substantial happened probably about ten years or so.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Right right now, I saw a new Richmond, which.

Speaker 9 (56:27):
We'll probably get three or four years of flooding because
it's the reciprocal cycle.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
So yeah, there is a cycle, and that's why we have,
you know, one hundred year floods and five hundred year floods,
and yeah, we we all know the weather changes and
it's an ever changing reality, which is one of the
reasons why I don't believe that you, you and I
are responsible for this moment in times flooding as opposed
to all of the other multitude of times the Ohio

(56:53):
River has gone over its banks. That doesn't mean that
I'm not feeling sorry for a lot of the neighborhoods
who are underwater right now. I saw New Richmond hasn't
seen it this high since well the last ten years.
But if I know anybody who's been done in New Richmond,
they have that flood gauge, that big tower that sticks
up out of the water, and you can see where
the highest flood was, and it's you know, if you

(57:17):
sit there and you contemplate how much water has to
accumulate to get up that high. You know, both sides
of the river are going up, and it's filling and
filling trillions and trillions of additional gallons of water, and
it's like, oh my lord. Now, I guess some of
that might have happened before we had locks and floodgates
and the like, but.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Geez, it's just it's it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
But thoughts in prayers out to everybody who's dealing with that,
and again, to the extent you want to charitably contribute
and to help people out in need, whether it's these floods,
the floods that we're experiencing elsewhere in the United States,
a lot of people out there could use some assistance,
and I will, as I always do, put a shout
out to Matthew twenty five Ministries, not because I'm a
member of what they do or anything, but if you

(58:03):
want a donation dollar to go to those in need,
then you give it to Matthew twenty five Ministries because
a buck given is a buck moved over to the need.
They don't have any overhead or minimalist overhead. It's a
lot of volunteers working there.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I always like to pick on a United Way because
they have a massive overhead, paid salaries, paid position. So
I don't know what the return on your charitable investment
is when it goes there or other organizations. Not to
be critical that they're saying they're not helping people, but
the bang for the buck, from what I've learned over

(58:40):
the years, Matthew twenty five is the place to go.
So I haven't been to their website to know if
they're you know, gathering money, resources, donations and the like
for flood victims here and elsewhere, but clearly we have
been inundated of late.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Let's see, but a bum oh, just real quick here.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
The House is apparently going to be They had some
hold up, some disagreements in the House representatives. Houses poised
to vote this week on the Safeguarding American voter eligibility,
the SAVE Act. That's one sponsored by Representative Chip Roy
at Texas, which requires proof of citizenship in the voter
registration process. Other bills being advanced the No Rogue Rulings

(59:24):
Act by a Representative darryl Isa, he's the primary sponsor,
which will limit district judges ability to issue orders blocking
policies nationwide. That's been a problem that's been percolating around
for a very long time. You get one district court
judge in one district that imposes an injunction that takes
effect nationwide, and some believe that is something that is
beyond what the jurisdiction of one district court could be.

(59:48):
Both were expected to get a vote last week, but
there was some sort of standoff in the House over
a procedural thing. But they've got that ironed out, so
we'll find out if there's Republican unity as it relates
to these two. That means the House will vote on it,
but then it goes to the Senate, where you've got
a bit of an uphill challenge there because it requires

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sixty votes. Six forty five fifty five KRSD talk station imaging.
I'm going to get affordable imaging today right after the
show has six fifty one a fifty five KRSD talk station.
A very happy Tuesday, pay extra special for me. I
love talking with Peter Bronson. He'll be in studio in
the next hour. Uh, just going over the aftermath of
the April ninth anniverts, the anniversary of since any riots.

(01:00:34):
So a lot happened then and a lot has gone
on since then. So we'll see if what Peter's impression
is of the then versus now. Also, I'm sure we'll
go over other topics with Peter. Anyway, Supreme Court handed
down an aureo, say five to four. A lot of
squeaker decisions around there, but they lifted the judges order
that prevented the deportation of suspected Venezuelan gang members to

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that SALVADORI in prison, allowing the Trump administration request expedited
removals under the eighteenth century law Alien Enemies Act, but
due process is required. The Court said that detainees were
entitled to notice that they were being removed under the
Alien Enemies Act, as well as an opportunity to challenge

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a deportation before a federal judge in Texas near the
immigration lockup where they've been held, as opposed to shipping
them off to some choice jurisdiction at the Aco.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
You would run. Now that covers the basis is it
lawful to assert the Alien Enemies Act? Apparently five to
four says yes. But the Constitution requires some due process.
You can't just say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Someone is an illegal member of a gang without giving
them an opportunity to be heard in court. That's really
the point that Judge Dapolitanum made last week and got
so many people really angry. It's like, oh, but you know,
we do have a constitution. So the court's order required
more than the government provided the Venezuelans. On March fifteenth,
that's the day they published Trump's proclamation invoking the Act

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and then immediately began flying some of those migrants to
El Salvador's Terrorism confinement Center. Migrants were not told their
destination or given an opportunity to seek legal assistance before
being taken to l Salvador. Majority will be Chief Justice
John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samlito, Neil Gorsich, and Brett Kavanaugh

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strussed that the only issue was the place in legal
avenue for migrants to challenge their enemy's act removal through
the constitutional process of habeas corpus in the district where
they have been held, rather than in Washington, where the ACLU,
representing a group of Venezuelans, filed the lawsuit. The majority

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said that for all the rhetoric of the descents, its
decision was a technical one. Detainees, in their words, are
entitled to notice and an opportunity to challenge the removal.
The only question is well which court to resolve the
challenge an ACLU turney representing the migrants. So the ruling

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means we will need to start the court process over
again at a different venue. But the critical point is
that the Supreme Court said individual individuals must be given
due process to challenge the removal under the Alien Enemies Act.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
That's a huge victory.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Well, it's also and you know, my estimation merely supporting
the constitutional reality. You can't just go to someone's house,
grab them, put them on a plane and send them
out of the country. As bad as these people may
ultimately be, if they're that bad, you can prove in
the court of law. I think that's important. I mean,

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that'd be your little well libertarian in me defending the
Constitution everything that it says and stands for in spite
of the stumbling blocks it quite often places. You know,
political expedience isn't exactly the greatest thing, and that's how
you end up with imperial presidencies. When you have a
do nothing Congress that refuses to act, you end up
with presidents who pull out their phone and their pen.

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Thank you, Barack Obama for setting the president and go
ahead and do what they want. This particular case, Donald
Trump pulled out his pen said Alien Enemies Act applies.
Was that okay according to the Supreme Court. Yeah, but
it doesn't eviscerate or eradicate the due process that the
Constitution requires and calls for. So I think I call
this basically an overall win. So let them argue in court,

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and then, if I was a betting man, watch them
be placed on a plane and flow them down to
El Salvador. Peter Brownson up after the top of the
air news hip. You can stick around for that and
inside Scoop with Bright Barton News London bureau chief Oliver Lane.
He's doing to empower you sevenar tonight seven pm what
is happening in Europe and what it means for us?

(01:04:43):
Plus the Daniel Davis Deep Dive, and we're going to
learn about head and neck cancer from ohc's doctor Joseph Shaughnessy.
He'll be on at the tail end of the program
in the eight o'clock hour. I sure hope you can
stick around seven oh five at fifty five ker CD

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talk station. A very happy Tuesday. I hope you're as
happy as I am. And it's Tuesday because Peter Bronson
is in studio. Of course author, he is a publisher.
Chili Dog Press dot COM's where you find his publishing
company and maybe an opportunity to get your book if
you're someone in the listening audience that's interested in publishing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Does a wonderful job.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
He's also a terrific author, former columnist for The Cincinnian
Inquiry and an award winning columnist back when the editorial
page used to win awards. Things have changed over at
the Inquire A little bit. I'm going to miss them
too much. But Peter Bronson, you always did such a
wonderful job. And I just got done asking you. Your
very very first book was a compilation of your columns.

Speaker 10 (01:05:51):
Yes, that was called Cincinnati for Peace for Pete's Sake.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, and then you segued over and actually your first
book book, and it's a book. It's work of nonfiction,
of course, behind the lines the untold stories plural of
the Cincinnati riots. And believe it or not, it has
been twenty four years. Tomorrow's the anniversary of the outset
of the Cincinnati riots. It took place, and you know,

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maybe people don't remember these specific facts, and I will
fall into that category. I remember sort of about them
when they happened. It led to that consent decree that
got worked down. Yeah, yeah, we'll get some details.

Speaker 10 (01:06:32):
Consultants that flew in like vultures to feed on Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Yeah yeah, but what kicked it off? What was the
impetus for all this? Like George Floyd. Everybody remembers George
Floyd and dam and BLM and defund the police and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
This was sort of a precursor to that type of reaction.

Speaker 10 (01:06:50):
It was this was the first major incident of its
kind in ten years after the Rodney King incident, which
goes back ten years previously. Right, So when you go
all the way back to that, you can look at
this pattern that occurred. And I have to say compliments
to you for bringing this topic up again, because I
would wager that very few, if any of the other

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media platforms in this city will even mention it today
that this is all these twenty four years since this
happened and it was a huge cataclysmic event in the
history of our city.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Well, that's why it's worthy of bringing up. I mean,
did we learn lessons? Are things better now? I mean
it's a point of a moment of reflection. That's why
you think about anniversaryes. What's theal line if you don't
learn from it, Yeah, repete it. So yeah, well, I
just I remember reading about and my dad telling these
stories about the sixties riots, the Watts riots. Yeah, and

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the National Guard had to be parked out in front
of Detroit.

Speaker 10 (01:07:48):
They had tanks rolling down the streets of Detroit in
nineteen sixty seven, and they had fifty caliber machine guns
mounted on the tops of those tanks that were firing
at rooftops in Detroit because there were snipers up there
trying to kill the National Guard and the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Police see and can you believe that those are the
facts that I was not aware of. Dad told me
a story about locally, when these studios used to be
at nineteen or six Highland Avenue, that they had to
have a National Guard vehicle posted out there because they
were concerned about maybe the studio is getting stormed or
something along those lines. Because the television studios as well
as the radio studios were all into that a WKRC moniker.

(01:08:27):
So things are different now than they were then, But
that's the one story remember back then. But we felt
the effects of that eras riots as well.

Speaker 10 (01:08:34):
It was really bad in Avondale in sixty seven, but
when you look at what happened in two thousand and
one was certainly not as bad as those sixty seven riots.
But it is such a template of what has occurred
in all these cities since. What occurred in the Rodney kincase,
what occurred in Ferguson, Missouri, what occurred in Baltimore with

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Freddie Gray, what occurred with you point George Floyd, but
so many other cases, all of these patterns fit right
back to Cincinnati in two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
And I think about somebody's gonna say scream with the
radio and say, Thomas, you're full of it. But there
seemed to have been in some cases, some of these cases,
a gross mischaracterization of what happened and people's reaction immediately
blaming the police, when you know, police were following the

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way they had been trained, and they didn't do anything
necessarily untoward, but it led to bad outcomes, you know,
the you know, I mean, you can't defend them literally
beating the crap out of Rodney King. If you watch
that video, it's like, I mean, come on.

Speaker 10 (01:09:48):
Well, except in my research, I was really surprised to
find this in the Rodney King incident that when the
jurors were shown the entire tape, ah, then they came
up with the that kicked off the riots. So the
tape that we saw on television was heavily edited to
only show the police responding to him and his attacks.

(01:10:10):
He refused to be subdued. The actual transcript of what
happened is shocking. I mean, they tried everything. Now, did
they go too far? Of course, yes, they did. Police
are not inhuman when they're adrenaline gets pumping after a
police chase. Right, They're just like you and me. They're
capable of all kinds of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Things, especially if their safety is in jeopardy because the
behavior of the purp in this particular tax Yeah, if
he's attacked them, or you know, if they use a taser,
if I don't even know if there's existed back then,
but if the taser doesn't work and the guy continues
to become aggressive, and they.

Speaker 10 (01:10:45):
Tried tasers, they tried everything short of firing their revolvers
and killing him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Yeah, exactly, and.

Speaker 10 (01:10:51):
They did not do that. Now, if you mentioned that,
the first and the initial reactions are often sort of
a shoot ready aim, especially in the media, and this
was especially true in Cincinnati. Now, the actual shooting occurred
on April seventh. On April eighth, a young black men
had been shot by a police officer. On April eighth,

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the headlines in the Cincinnati Enquirer and in the media
throughout Cincinnati, but mainly in the Inquirer, included the words
police brutality, no facts are in remember, police brutality, trigger
happy and excessive force.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:11:27):
This was absolutely just setting the table. And it reminded
me when I was coming in this morning, Brian, that
today our judgment, I respect, our esteem of the media
is at a record low. It's at eleven percent feet
But in these days, bringing up the idea that the
media might be wrong, that they might be pushing an

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agenda was heresy. This was immediately suppressed or smothered by
any platform of media because they just thought anybody would
suggest bias was a tinfoil hat cook.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Right sort of default to that, Well, this is obvious
media bias that we wait around and find out what
the real facts are down the road. Okay, So yeah,
you have to remember context is everything. This is twenty
four years ago, yes, and this is I guess that's
before social media as well, very much.

Speaker 10 (01:12:18):
So you didn't have the drivers on this. One of
the main drivers was WDBZ. If you remember the Black
Ross Love station that was in Avondale, I think, yeah.
I used to go up there for interviews from time
to time and it was a wild, wild trip. But
that's another story. But they just poured kerosene on this

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around the clock. Remember all of CPS schools were out
for spring break, so there are all these kids hanging
around with nothing to do, and the radio just kept
pouring out this police brutality story. How they're out there
killing young black men. Cincinnati police are hunting down and
killing young black men.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
This is the story.

Speaker 10 (01:12:59):
They were broadcast and constantly, and our paper that where
I was working at, the Inquirer, had done this. It
was a prize package designed to win some kind of
a pulitzer or something, you know, in their dreams, but
the prize package was this long report that really massage
the data to come up with this narrative of police

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brutality in Cincinnati. So this was like this incident was
just kind of they're just waiting for the one to
come along where this this whole thing can be well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
As a journalist, then you come from the responsible factual
reporting journalism era. You know, you don't draw conclusions, you
don't jump the gun. Now, editorial pages are different, but
when you're just doing general reporting, did you ever look
into and in your research doing behind the lines the
until it's sort of this insint right, what the motivations

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were for them doing that and painting such a salacious
headline and such a well a headline was guaranteed to
generate this kind of response.

Speaker 10 (01:14:08):
Well, it was a lot of things that combined and
contributed to this, maybe a perfect storm of incendiary reporting
that contributed to the violence. I would say part of
it was ideological. The people that were being brought into
the newsroom had this attitude. A lot of it was
the Rodney King case, which everybody, let's face it, people

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in the news business, they like to follow the herd,
the herd animals, and if somebody gets a lot of
attention for a story, then all over the nation we're
seeing these another Rodney King. Every confrontation between police and
a black suspect. All over the nation, you'd see headlines
another Rodney King without anything that necessarily matched up. So

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there's this whole kind of copycat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
It's called clickbait now online, but back then it sells newspapers,
Yes it did.

Speaker 10 (01:15:04):
And there's that. There's the whole prize. I get under
that in the book. I was looking back at it
this morning, and I get into that the whole prize,
like every newspaper was kind of shameless in their pursuit
of prizes, of whatever kind of prize they could get
from the National Conference of investigative reporters, or it might

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be the Ohio Press Association, whatever it is. Pulletrer is
of course the moby Dick, that's the holy Grail. But
it was kind of I thought it was kind of
shameful the way these packages were often designed with the
prize committee in mind and not the readers or not
the community.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
All right, we'll pause right now on the twenty fourth
anniversary tomorrow of the East since Any Riots kickoff. Peter Bronson
was there, and he saw it all and wrote the
book about it, Behind the Lines, the un Told Story
of the Cincinna Riots, which you can get, of course
on Amazon. Widely received and big thumbs up on that book.
Will continue in a moment, but if you wake up
with joint pain and seven twenty here for five KRCD

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talk station by Thomas with Peter Bronson, author, publisher, former
editor of the since An Inquirer, and of course a
man who remembers all the facts behind the riots that
started Cincinnati on April ninth, and as Peter explained, really
kicked off and went ballistic when the Cincinni Inquirer posted

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the headlines that it was all you know, the rogue cop,
there'll be a bad share, trigger happy.

Speaker 10 (01:16:41):
Police brutality excessive for us.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
But that was before any of the information had been
looked into.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
There had been no internal investigation, and the.

Speaker 10 (01:16:50):
Police chief was out of town, so they didn't even
have a press that was a striker right as it was,
and he was at a conference in Indianapolis, and so
he was shocked when he's driving home and and I
think it was Vince Demasi was in charge me. He said,
by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Next door events.

Speaker 10 (01:17:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, he said, by the way, chief.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
What So who is responding?

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Who is responsible for addressing the public right after it happened,
because it's always, you know, at least a lieutenant on
the scene, unless it's you know, really a chief level
respond That would have been the case in this one
had the chief Striker been in town exactly. So who
had the laboring ore of dealing with the press and
the immediate aftermath.

Speaker 10 (01:17:31):
Well, it probably should have been Demassi who would have
checked in with Striker and said, how do you want
to handle this? And Striker had said, I'll be back
in two hours, right, and we will hold a press conference.
They did discover that one of the keys to preventing
this kind of outbreak of violence is to get everything
out there in the public as fast as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Amen.

Speaker 10 (01:17:51):
If you got a guy that's involved in a confrontation
with police and he was carrying a weapon, you want
that weapon on the evening news, the morning news, any
place you can show it, Okay, And that really does
diffuse the whole well violence.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
It does, for it explains the justification for the shooting.
I had a back and forth this morning. There was
a recent police shooting and Hamilton County prosecutor said, no,
the police were okay on this one. The facts are
a little questionable and we're still sort of waiting for
the full all the information to come out. But you
have to provide the public with the information along the

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lines of, you know, police shootings are justified much in
the same way I am entitled to defend myself with
deadly force if I am faced with the eminent apprehension
of grievous bodily harm or still death. And you know,
for example, if I've been through the process of trying
to command a person to you know, not resist and
settle down, get on your knees, put your hands on
your head, they stop doing that and they get aggressive

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toward me. Of course, face two now in modern policing
is use your taser if possible, and if they continue
to be aggressive and that doesn't work, and they continue
to come out with you, most notably if they are are,
then you have a legitimate justification for using deadly force.
It all makes sense. It's like put yourself in the
same damn position, you would have done it as well.
Exactly now, in this particular case, what specifically happened, I

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think it's worthy that we go over ultimately what was
concluded happened, how the confrontation started, and that what led
to the deadly force.

Speaker 10 (01:19:24):
Well, you had this kid who was wanted on I
think of his nineteen different warrants for mainly minor stuff
like being out past curfew. He was an nor failure
to appear again and again and again, so they spotted him.
The officer officer Roach gets out of his squad car

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and goes around into an alley because they're going to
head him off because they knew where he was running.
As soon as he saw the police, he ran and
the kid comes over around the corner and he's probably
as far as we can tell, the best excellent is
that he was pulling up his sweatpants or his jeans,
and Roach thought he was going for a gun and

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fired and shot him, killed him. Beyond that, what really
was another I don't know if you remember this, but
there was a period when the refrain or the battle
cry of the protesters riders was fifteen Black men killed fifteen.
This went out nationally and was a major reason for

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the boycotts that really crippled Cincinnati for a while. And
the fifteen Black men killed was came directly from that
excessive force series in the Inquirer. And what I did
is I circled back to say, Okay, who are these
fifteen I can read you just a couple examples here
very shortly. One of them was Daniel Williams, who flagged

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down Cincinnati police officer Kathleen Conway in nineteen ninety eight,
slugged her in the face, and shot her four times
in the legs and abdomen with a three fifty seven
magnum Holy is he carjacked a police car?

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Okay, it's one of the.

Speaker 10 (01:21:06):
Fifteen victims of police brutality.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Victim.

Speaker 10 (01:21:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Another one is a new spin on victim isn't it. Really?

Speaker 10 (01:21:14):
You have Harry Price, who brutally raped a fifteen year
old girl in nineteen ninety five, beheaded her with an
axe and held off police for four hours, attacking them
with a steak knife after being hit repeatedly with mace
and stun guns. He was shot when he lunged at
the police with a knife.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
All right, since in the interested time, we're gonna take
a break, I mean, we get some more of those.
But what you're suggesting is, in this reporting, this fifteen
black man, the narrative that was presented that they were
all innocent people who were not justifiably shot by the police. Yes,
and the two you just read there just really kind
of burst the bubble of that narrative, don't they.

Speaker 10 (01:21:51):
Yeah, all but about three were not even questionable.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Let's pause.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
We'll bring back Peter Bronson in a moment for seven
twenty nine. If you give out their CD talk station
Times with Peter Bronson, author of many, many books, all
worthy of reading. Just go to Amazon dot com and
you find Peter Bronson's page and you can see all
the Sin City and the other wonderful books he's written.
They're just they're just really genuine page turners. And uh,

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that's one of the things I love about it. I'll
put you in a category like a bill O'Reilly. Once
you get going, Peter, you just can't put him down.
And the fact that it's so local, we all have
a connection with it. Yeah, you were mentioned, you know, like, uh,
the Junkyard dog alligation. You know, Ken Lawson is in
your book, and I actually went to law school with Ken.

(01:22:38):
I think it was a year or two ahead. I mean,
we know what a troubled problem in a difficult time
he had with his you know, the drug issues and
the I guess disbarment or whatever he went through. But
he was integrally involved in this and maybe it was
made a bit of a scene my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:22:53):
But yet of all places the law in public safety, yeah,
where it was completely lawless.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
And a riot broke out and or I broke out, Yeah,
behind the lines, the untold stories of the since I
riots the name of the book, so I imagine, you know,
and at least again, going back twenty four years, we
have evolved as a society, and I think in many
cases for the better. You know, you know, a light

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has been exposed on some of the terrible problems that
we've had with police departments. Yes there have been instances
of racism. Yes there have been instances of brutality, and
I think so one of the positive steps we've gone through,
in spite of the fact that maybe none of this
outrage in any given instances was justified, there was a
percolating general anger between members of certain communities and the

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police department that was.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Built in what we called the unrest.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Yeah, the unrest was there. Yes, everybody knew somebody who
had been pulled over for they always say driving while black.
You know, they're just hassling me and shaking me down.
You know, my buddy Rudy was, you know, being clubbed
over the police officer with PR twenty four that I
know that kind of thing existed. So when a pretext
comes along as inaccurate as the details were, as you

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talk about in your book, and as you pointed out
this morning, it's like, Okay, the kindling's already there. It
just takes a spark. And even if the spark is
not the one that should have started it. And I'm
not going to justify political or violence in the streets
and the extent of the reaction. You can kind of
understand on the level where it came from.

Speaker 10 (01:24:30):
Yes, and so much was done after during right after
the riots, we had the can Commission, which was Cincinnati Action.
Now it was largely ineffective. We had a federal consent
decree that came in for about a year or more.
We had federal monitors that were in the back pocket
of every police officer looking over the shoulders of all

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the police brass. It drove Striker crazy because I couldn't
do his job. And I think what changed was the
police learned some things out of this, almost independent of
the ten or fifteen million or whatever it was the
city spent on all these consultants. A lot of these
consultants just came here to shake the city down. And

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of course, yeah, it was crazy. Nothing's changed, nothing has changed.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
You need a non governmental organization and here taking a
look at this, right, you know, five hundred thousand dollars
a year working for an MNGO.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Yes, I'll be happy to do the work.

Speaker 10 (01:25:25):
Well, yeah, what city elected official isn't glad to shift
the blame and let somebody else take responsibility for something
by giving them a million dollars. So, but the police
learned some key lessons, which one of them we discussed
was getting the weapons or any kind of evidence out
there as soon as possible, get out in public, have
a press conference, tell everybody what happened as much as

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you know, to correct these myths that are perpetrated by
the media in many cases. The next thing they found out,
which was very surprising, was a curfews work on the
fourth day of violence when they were they had just
experienced the worst day of violence on the eleventh, with
people being dragged. An elderly couple was dragged out of

(01:26:09):
the car and beaten severely. We had this happening pretty
regularly in the streets, and the police and the mayor
declared a curfew and it worked, and everybody's like, wow,
that's kind of a surprise. People are burning down businesses,
smashing windows, throwing rocks at the police. But you tell
them that that, you know, eleven o'clock everything ends.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it worked. It's like parents know that
about young people. Most of the problems occurved sort of
after eleven pm. You start worrying about what your kids
are up to.

Speaker 10 (01:26:42):
But there were a lot of lessons like that that
were applied. But we went through a really bad period too,
where the police they they layered on so many layers
of review, of second guessing. For the cops, they had
seven layers of oversight, so if they couldn't really do
anything and they kind of backed off. They called it

(01:27:02):
drive by policing, of.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Course, and we saw that a lot of the aftermath
of Black Lives Matter riots through it any't worth it.

Speaker 10 (01:27:10):
Yes, it was kind of a self defunding of the
police without the defunding part. And it took about a
year year and a half before Striker had a big
meeting with all the cops and said, look, do your job,
get back on the street and do your job, and
I'll back you up one hundred percent. And I got
a credit Mark Mallory too as the new marrior. He
came in and said, look, I will play it fair,

(01:27:33):
i will look at the evidence, and I'm not gonna
throw kerosene on any fires unless i know there's something there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Well see, and I will call that responsible leadership. Because
again moving over to the post, let's say George Floyd area,
you had politicians that were joining in the ridicule of
the police departments and not supporting them at all. And
you know what that does the morale within a police department.

(01:27:59):
You can't even get your elected officials on your side
when your job is to try to keep the community safe.

Speaker 10 (01:28:04):
And it was terrible at Cincinnati City Hall. I mean,
we had the Law and Public Safety Committee on April
ninth was literally taken over. They were held hostage in
that room by protesters who filled the entire room, stood
on their desks, took their chairs from them, and they
were completely intimidated and not even allowed to leave the

(01:28:25):
room for a rest break. And what happened then is
that the city council just kind of adopted this whole
idea that it was all the police fault.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Capitulated.

Speaker 10 (01:28:34):
They capitulated it was a lot easier.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Well, and I must observe the other development we have,
and you know, no Orwellian fanom I at least these
days we have body camera footage. Yes, and that has
burst the bubble of so many people who claim it
was police were in the wrong. It's the police who
did this. It's reduced the number of complaints that there
was police brutality and no, here's the body camera exactly,

(01:29:00):
go ahead and draw your own conclusions.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah, so it's it's I think it's solved.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
More problems for the police department than it has well provided,
you know, documented proof that the police were in the wrong.

Speaker 10 (01:29:11):
And there's been improvements in technology for non lethal force.
So the tasers were a huge breakthrough because that gave
them an option short of the club.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Yeah, you know, and when the taser shut up, the
PR twenty fours went the way of the Dodo exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:29:27):
And so but the other interesting thing is that tasers
were absolutely considered like a horrible, cruel and unusual tool
for the police by the media, and the police had
to weather that storm of all these bogus reports about
how many people were going to die, and this is
absolutely you know, it's a deadly jolt of electricity.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
And that's hilarious because all the all the cadets of
the police department go through they get tasered, that's true,
they get shot with a tasers, so they know damn
well how it feels and what it does through you exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:30:00):
And you don't hear of anybody getting killed or going
into the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Yeah, no, no, you know, pause, we'll bring Peter back.
Got a couple more segments with him. I'm really enjoying this.
I hope you are as cherry if you love Harse
Talk Station taking a walk through history not one of
the high points in Greater Cincinnati's history, but one certainly
worthy of exploring. In Peter Bronson's in studio, his book
Behind the Lines, the Untold Stories of the Cincinnati Riots,

(01:30:26):
and we're kind of walking through the practical reality of
what happened and then sort of paralleling it with or
comparing it to how the media just twisted the narrative
on it and actually fed the fuel for these riots
and fed the fuel for the fire. And it's just
been a real eye opener because you know, honestly, Peter,

(01:30:47):
it's been so long, and I'm not quite sure how
closely connected I was with the facts at the time
that was going on.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
But which calendar year was this again, two thousand and one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Two thousand and one, Yeah, back in town. We came
back in ninety eight from Chicago.

Speaker 10 (01:31:05):
And everything that happened, remember, is completely eclipsed by the
World Trade Center attack which followed shortly thereafter. So this
was in April and that happens in September. So for Cincinnati,
this was still huge and the effects lingered for about
two or three years. I don't know if you were
here then, but we had a thriving entertainment district on

(01:31:27):
Main Street that was pretty much just died from the
boycotts and from the violence, and that kind of went away.
Now it's kind of over. It's in OTR. But I
mean a lot of cool places like Neons were there,
and yeah, all kinds of places, but you know, the city,

(01:31:48):
a lot of restaurants failed. There was really terrible boycotts
and a lot of confrontations and nasty The whole city
was just in a terrible kind of hostile, divided climate.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
This you know, go back to go back to Watts
and go back to you know, Rodney King, and it
seems to have like a cyclical effect. Yes, I don't
know if there's any connection with the political environment generally
speaking and this type of rioting behavior happening, because you know,
you could see with Antifa now they had their own
separate issues, but a lot of fires and looting and

(01:32:28):
destruction and anti police activity.

Speaker 10 (01:32:31):
I think same thing, and just burning police stations. It's
just another escalation on this ladder that we saw and
it's pretty much the same things that happened in Cincinnati,
but in a little bit more expanded scale, and it
keeps getting worse and morrise. And I really, because I'm
in the media. Maybe yeah, well, you know, the guy

(01:32:52):
who has a hammer looks at everything like a nail.
Maybe that's me. But I think the media, with many
good intentions, perhaps of trying to unite the country, has
done more to divide us on the issues of race
than anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Well, again, it goes back to clickbait, you know, unification,
uniting speaking a message of you know, enjoying and living
under collectively in peace, in the name of freedom and
liberty and respecting your neighbors. You know that don't That
doesn't get clicks, It doesn't get people buying you know, murder, mayhem, ray, pestilans, police, brutality, brutality.

(01:33:30):
You know you're going to buy a paper, you know.
It's like you can go back to the movies in
the nineteen thirties and forties, headlines headlines murder of so
and so, and that of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
Course is why people would buy papers.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Absolutely so. Yeah, well, human nature is what it is.
It is, at least I think I have. I'm as
much of as much problems as many problems rather are
created by the Internet. And this way that the Internet
has of being able to reach so many people in
such short period of time that you can get a
whole bunch of idiots and don't know what to talk

(01:34:00):
talking about showing up on a Saturday to protest cutting
out ridiculous government ways and claiming that medicaid is somehow
being gutted, when in fact the polar opposite is happening.
That's a downside. An upside is though, that you and
I actually can go out into the world and get
a broader view and more opinions and a broader swath

(01:34:24):
of how the information is being presented, which if you're
smart enough, you'll get a clear picture of what reality is.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
Well.

Speaker 10 (01:34:32):
I think you make a great point, and social media
and the online websites have really it's like giving the
most irresponsible people in the media back in two thousand
and one an amplifier and a bull horn. Yeah, and
now they can spread it even faster with less research,

(01:34:52):
less reporting, less.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Evidence, less accountability.

Speaker 10 (01:34:55):
And it's, like you said, it's clickbase. So if they
have to correct if the next day, who can because
they got the income that they can show advertisers from
those million clicks.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Let's pause wording Peter back for one more. I'll be
right back after these brief words here fifty five KRCD
Thalk states, and I haven't been thoroughly enjoying his look
back in history with Peter Bronson regarding the riots which
took place tomorrow twenty four years April ninth, to kick

(01:35:27):
off of the riots here in the Cincinnati if you
want to read about it, he wrote the book along
a while back. Two thousand and six was the published
date Behind the Lines, the Untold Story of the Cincinnati Riots.
And you brought up some great elements about this that
I'm sure so many people have forgotten. But all the
parallels that we can draw with other almost identical situations,

(01:35:48):
to me has been rather fascinating, connecting the dots and
showing the parallels, and most notably the idea that quite
often these things are if not only tiny bit baked,
but half at best, when people start flying off the
handle and drawing conclusions and engaging in outright acts of
destruction and violence, when they themselves while they may be

(01:36:10):
angry at this system, or they may be angry at
you know, law enforcement generally in these particulars, many of
these circumstances, the anger isn't justified.

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
No, as you pointed out, there may be a background
climate that is contributing to this. But I think by now,
by now, after we've been through this so many times,
we've seen this rodeo before, that climate, especially in police practices,
is for all intents and purposes gone. Will there be exceptions, Oh, sure,

(01:36:42):
of course. Ye, that's human nature, that's life. But the
idea that there is a systemic racism and a police department,
or that police are out there looking for excuses to
be racist and kill or arrest or beat people because
of their ethnicity, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
I think it is too.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
And you know, there was a guy named Corey that
called in and he said he just through these broadbrush
conclusions cops want to be costs because they want to
go out and shoot somebody, that they're all trigger happy.
And I'm listening to this thinking about my sister, who,
after twenty five years, you know, served since my police
department and her community. Well, she had stories that she
used to talk about being spit on, punched, having to

(01:37:25):
get you know, wrestle people to the ground, getting abused
herbally and orally all and never once did she had
to pull her firearmar To the best of my knowledge,
I know she never had to shoot anybody. But he
was being insistent upon this, and so I looked. I
looked up the fun fact. In twenty twenty four, in
the United States, they were over one point two eight
million sworn law enforcement officers, with about one hundred and

(01:37:47):
thirty seven thousand of them working for federal agencies and
the rest at state, local levels. And I see, you know,
of course there are going to be jerks in there,
just like the general populations that's in prison. That's why
they find murderers and rapists are the vast majority of
people murderers and rapists. Do we have this collective mindset

(01:38:08):
that we're all, you know, justifying committing these horrific acts. No,
they're always going to be a few bad apples. But
going back to the social media part, they do make
the headlines. Yes, And when you have this mentality of
the George Floyd mentality, this particular mentality what comes from
the riots and people you know, immediately using it as

(01:38:29):
a vehicle to attack the entire police department. No one
thinks contextually about it.

Speaker 10 (01:38:35):
Sensationalism has been monetized. It has That's what we look
at in our media today at all levels. I'm talking
about network news, cable news, everything, especially social media and
online platforms. The more sensationalists, the more readers click it,
the more money you make.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Well listeners you can get to still get a copy.
Behind the lines, the untold stories of the sin say
riots all so the man who saves Cincinnati promised Land,
how the Midwest was one forbidden fruit, sin City, the
underworld and the supper club inferno not in our town.
The Queen City versus the King of Smut, which of

(01:39:15):
course talks about hustler publisher Larry Flint and the whole.
I mean, you even did the Cincinnati Art Museum, Maplethorpe
thing in that one. It's all great stuff. Peter writes
a hell of a book. They're all Day. You can
get him at Chili Dogpress dot com. That's his publishing company,
So I recommend you buy him from there, as opposed
to getting him through wherever you might get him, like Amazon.

(01:39:36):
But I can't recommend him enough. He writes a terrific
book and a great storyteller you are, and you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
I don't want you to give it up.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
And if you don't want to say anything, I know
you're working on a new book.

Speaker 10 (01:39:48):
Yes I am, and I won't say anything.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Okay, I won't give it up then, but you know
it suspicious. This is going to be a fascinating book
you got. I don't want to. I can't tease it
too much because I'll give away this subject matter. But
another really locally based story. And since we brought up
Ken Lawson earlier in all his troubles, oh gosh, man,
he had a really serious problem going on at the
time of these.

Speaker 10 (01:40:10):
Riots, absolutely drug addiction.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
He's cleaned himself up, he has.

Speaker 10 (01:40:15):
The last time I talked to him, he was clean,
had been for a long time. He was in Hawaii
and he was practicing. He was teaching at the University
of Hawaii, teaching legal ethics, which.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
It's just sounds hilarious. But the off air you mentioned,
I think this is we're pointing out. Since we're closing
out the segment here, Ken was one of the people
at that law and Public safety meeting during the riot
that he.

Speaker 10 (01:40:40):
Was one of the instigators along with the Reverend Damon Lynch.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
He admitted to you at that time that he was,
oh yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:40:48):
He was deep into his opioid addiction at that time
and doing all kinds of terribly unethical and illegal things
to keep feeding his hat. But when you watch the
tape of that was I went back when I researched
the book, Uh yeah, his behavior definitely backs that up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
How about that?

Speaker 10 (01:41:09):
And he kept he knew better, and we now know
that he did know better that the police couldn't release
what he kept telling them he wanted to get and
they couldn't do it. It was it was just not
available or it was not legally proper, and so he
kind of exploited the situation too to cause a lot

(01:41:32):
of violence. And that's where the riot really erupted right
there in law in public safety.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
What a shame anyway, read about in Peter's book. Peter,
it's been a real pleasure. I can't thank you for
coming to the studio and talks with It's always pleasure, man,
You always enjoyed this.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
You're always welcome here.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
We'll have something else to talk about real soon. I
am certain seven to fifty five come up with some
fifty six inside scoop. London Bureau Chief Oliver Lane returns
to the program He's doing to Power You Seminar later
this evening seven pm. For that what's going on in
Europe and what it means for us. Daniel Davis deep
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(01:42:06):
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Stick around to Shibato five.

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At fifty five KRCV talk station. A very happy Tuesday
to you. We're gonna get the Daniel Davis deve Die
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(01:42:36):
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Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
You're going to want to hear this presentation. Oliver, welcome
back to the Morning Show. It's always a pleasure talking
with you.

Speaker 11 (01:42:51):
Well, thank you for a fantastic introduction.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
It's great to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Well, you know, I appreciate this subject matter. What's happening
in Europe and what am I to portend to the
United States subheading. While authoritarian to authoritarianism has been on
the rise among the political class, a populist reaction is
taking place in response. I mean, I guess I should
start up by saying, Oliver, what did they our political
elites expect when they opened the borders in the European Union?

(01:43:15):
And then we felt the same thing. Mostly under the
Biden administration open the borders, you had this unchecked, amazing
inflow of immigrants with no connection to your political culture,
no collection, no collection to your culture. Generally speaking, things
got pretty bad and people started looking around in Italy,
in France and the UK and Germany like, wait a second,

(01:43:38):
what what happened to our country? We're not the same
country we used to be. Our culture has been completely eroded,
our cities are overrun. The criminal element in the criminal
the amount of crime has gone through the roof. Of course,
there's going to be a populist revolt to that. Isn't
that just sort of a natural reaction?

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
Oliver, Well, what you.

Speaker 11 (01:43:56):
Couldn't see when you said, what exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
Did they expect?

Speaker 11 (01:44:00):
Was me grinning from here to wear, because that is
the best possible question you could ask, and I wish
I had an answer for you. What did they expect exactly?
When you force upon people who in countries across Europe
and probably in the United States as well, who have
voted against mass migration again and again and again, election
after election for decades, and no matter actually the result

(01:44:22):
of the election, you always get the same thing, which
is more and more open borders. So what we have
so called is this populous uprising, which is of course
an entirely natural counter reaction to elite overreach because they
decided they could do whatever it is they wanted, no
matter how the people advised them, in the endless elections

(01:44:42):
that we have in these wonderful democracies, which are democracies
that hurt, and they're in trouble because if you have
a situation where people vote again and again to stop
something and it doesn't happen, then well, is that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
A democracy worth the name?

Speaker 11 (01:44:56):
So it's good and it's healthy, and it's a natural
reaction that we have these as I say, so called
populis reactions in Europe and in the United States, and
I certainly think a President Trump is a part of that.
And in terms of encouraging your fine listeners to tune
into this empower you seminar to item is going to
be a short talk followed by questions, and I'm really

(01:45:20):
looking forward to those questions. That's obviously always the best part.
But the thing that you're going to have to tune
into here is why I think populism is a bad
word and one that we shouldn't use on the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Right fair enough, and I'm sure you'll provide a wonderful
explanation of it, and maybe an alternative term to use
when we're referring to what is this, wait a second,
what about us mentality? Our government has seemed to just
turned its back on its own people, And yeah, you can,
I think clearly connect the dots to this concept of

(01:45:51):
this globalist, one world government. They view independent countries as bad.
They want one size fits all, they want to control
us all and it's it seems to me that this
importation of literally millions and millions of people into otherwise
stable areas has an erosion effect on that. If you
import a bunch of people from the Middle East into

(01:46:12):
the European Union, they don't care about the borders of
Germany or the UK or Italy. It just means nothing
to them. They have no roots and no connection or
foundation with it. So if they were eradicated, they don't
care as long as they have a place to eat
in someone feeding them. I suppose whatever you got by
way of government is fine with them, because they've all
grown up under authoritarian regimes.

Speaker 11 (01:46:33):
Anyway, a real cynic might argue there's an element of
divide and rules of this. If you have a country
that has, for instance, two predominant factors or two predominant
factions I should say, be they based on faith, or
based on skin color, or based on class or anything
like that, that's a perfect situation for civil uprising, for unrest,

(01:46:58):
for civil war, even which.

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
Are horrible words and not things.

Speaker 11 (01:47:01):
We'd like to think about, because you have two groups
that are powerful enough to fight, and if you want
to have a peaceful country from position of an authoritarian.
It's far better to have a country with a great
many small groups, none of whom are powerful enough to
do anything. They're too busy bickering amongst themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
You can then divide and rule.

Speaker 11 (01:47:25):
And when I look at the very diverse way in
which our countries are being changed, as I say, a
real cynic might argue that this produces a situation in
the for instance, European states, which where elite control is
rendered much easier.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Well, yes, I can certainly draw, draw the dots or
connect the dots together.

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
It on that. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
The other component of this is, and you know, we
face this struggle here in the United States, where I think,
culturally speaking, we prided ourselves, you know, on this Melting
Pod concert. We had Irish, we had English, we had Germans,
we had Hispanics, we have all these different subgroups of cultures.
But coming here with the freedom and ability and liberty

(01:48:10):
to do as they choose, work under this umbrella of
freedom without too much government control over their lives. It
was really a motivation to draw people and that all
worked for us, except in modern times with social media.
And this is the point I'm gonnatimately get to, that
division can be created, and you start putting in divisive elements.

(01:48:33):
It starts breaking these otherwise cohesive under the banner of freedom,
people who could peacefully live together. And you start saying, no,
you're in Asian America. No you're in Irish America. No
you're an African American, and then you drive a wedge
between otherwise peaceful groups. That's how you get this division
that we're talking about, and even under a banner of freedom,
it ends up collapsing on itself.

Speaker 11 (01:48:56):
Yes, I think there are two distinct elements here, because,
of course, in the past, the United States has had
these actually quite considerable waves of migration. Historically going back
the past two hundred and fifty years, first British migrants predominantly,
and I think if you look at the numbers now
even now, the English settlers are the largest legacy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
White group, followed very closely by the Germans.

Speaker 11 (01:49:19):
You had the Germans, and you had the Italians, and
you had the Norwegians and the Swedish who settled in the.

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
North of the United States of America.

Speaker 11 (01:49:27):
But always after these arrivals, it seems there's an automatic response,
a self healing instinct in the United States that when
you have a sudden large arrival. You manage that then
by actually having a period where the borders are closed
and that group, which is not constantly being reinforced with
new migrants arriving from abroad, is forced to integrate and

(01:49:50):
actually has to become part of the American dream.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
And that's worked very well in the past.

Speaker 11 (01:49:55):
And the problem that we have now, as you absolutely
rightly identify with the emergency, say, social media, which is
great in so many ways and is a fantastic tool
for fighting back against globalization, against the lead capture because
it allows people like you and me to trade information
so freely. The other side of that coin, the issue

(01:50:15):
to be dealt with is it also allows getivization because
those new communities that arise never have to experience life
outside of their own social milieu. There's never any pressure
to integrate into American society, to participate in.

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
The traditional American dream, because if you're.

Speaker 11 (01:50:35):
A newly alrived migrant, you can do everything online in
your own language with people who talk and think like you.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
Why would you have done anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
And then you also have authoritarian governments who try to
crack down on what they deem to be offensive or
hurtful comments, and they curtail speech and don't prevent or
don't allow for the free exercise and exchange of thoughts
and ideas. And that to me is I mean, in
the United States, we have a really, really well protected
freedom of speech here, But when I look over the

(01:51:05):
pond and I see what goes on in the European Union,
I mean, you can you jail people for what someone
deems offensive or hurtful, and it just runs such a
foul to our traditional notions of free speech.

Speaker 11 (01:51:19):
Yes, well, the way I think of this is this,
when we have discussions and I'm going on a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
Of a tangent here, I hope you'll forgive me.

Speaker 11 (01:51:24):
But when we have discussions now about the future of
artificial intelligence, we say, one of the problems that we
have with our future computer overlords is that whoever programs
them gets the sway on where they go. So if
a computer's greatest good, it's the highest possible moral outcome
for them, is that there's you know, never any racism

(01:51:44):
or you know, transgender people are never misgendered. As the
example goes, then the computer, the artificial intelligence might do
things that ordinary people find might totally abhorrent, totally terrible
to uphold those standards. So if the computer thinks that
somebody not being misgendered is a higher moral good than
a misgendering individual, say an ordinary person being shot, then

(01:52:08):
the computer will choose to shoot the person who's committing
that fault crime. Now, when I look at the way
that our political elites, which are now being dismantled by
the popular st uprisings we have in Europe and the US,
I look at them, I think these people are not
actually much more intelligent than a stupid AI computer software

(01:52:28):
as a whole. The way they think and collectively they
decide what their their greatest goods are, their their their
moral imperatives, and that might be that the greatest moral
good this government can deliver is that we don't have intercommunal,
intercommunity strife. So there's no riots between different ethnic groups

(01:52:48):
in the United States. And as long as we're achieving that, which,
let's be honest between you and I, that is definitely
a good outcome. Nobody wants that, right, But if that's
your highest moral good, then you will stop at nothing
into that, even if that means putting essentially normal well
meeting people in prison, just in case they do a
little naughty wrong thing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Now, in terms of the makeup of the European Union,
I mean it's almost as if you have a version
of the United States, you have Degreece, you have Germany,
you have Italy, of all these different countries under the
larger banner of the European Union. Now has that resulted,
because it seems from my perspective, it's resulted in the
erosion of the autonomy of any given country to go

(01:53:29):
in a different direction. Oh no, no, Brussels says you
can't do that, And therefore any election in France maybe
doesn't bring about the outcome that the French people want
out of an election because they have this bigger power
tone than what they can and cannot do. Have I
kind of got that right a little bit.

Speaker 11 (01:53:45):
Yeah, Absolutely, the United State of the European Union wants
to be like the United States. The political I keep
on using this friend that praise. The political le have
to forgive me for sounding like the broken record that
we have in Brussels and Strong which are the centers
of power for the European Union, they look at the
US with envy. They want that power. They want to

(01:54:06):
be the federal government for Europe. They're not quite, but
they're getting there in terms of the impact this has
on order with Europeans, You're completely right and it is
an enormous issue. So if we look at the United Kingdom,
for instance, post Brexit, we have recently left the European Union,
so we no longer have the EU limiting what we

(01:54:26):
can do. And it's actually very interesting to witness essentially
how mentally stunted the British political class is because they've
had fifty years where they've never actually had to make
any decisions because every single item of consequence is decided abroad.
It's imposed. All you're doing, really and that was this

(01:54:46):
is how the saying went. It was government by facts.
You're being faxed laws from the European Union and your
only job as a legislator was to implement those laws
into your own system. So we now have this situation
where the entire political class has grown up in a
world where they never have to think, they never have
to inn evade because it's always done on their behalf.

Speaker 4 (01:55:06):
And I think actually we're in a.

Speaker 11 (01:55:08):
Bit of a situation because it's going to take an
entire generation the people who are capable of independent thought.
They're teenagers now, the people just getting into politics for
the first time, just thinking about the way the world works,
and why the people who are going to be the
government ministers, the activists, the prime ministers in.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
Thirty or forty years, that's how long it's going to take,
I think, to escape from this.

Speaker 11 (01:55:31):
And if you look at and this is not just
a UK thing, this is all across Europe.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
The present generation.

Speaker 11 (01:55:37):
Of politicians that we have are afraid of power. They
rejected and the best possible proof of this totally you
cannot contradict.

Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
It in my view, is you look at the way
the UK works.

Speaker 11 (01:55:51):
The government still doesn't make decisions. Every possible area of
competence is farmed out to non government rather non ministerial organizations.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
We call them quangos.

Speaker 11 (01:56:03):
So if you know, if you want to make a
decision on prisons, the minister doesn't make a decision and
have it implemented like you're do In the US, the
president signs a piece of paper by presidential decree.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
This thing happens.

Speaker 11 (01:56:14):
They say, Okay, we recognize there as a problem the
prison system. We're going to call for a report, an
inquiry from an arms length body and they'll tell.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
Us what to do.

Speaker 11 (01:56:25):
And actually every single area of government is run like this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
And we remember not.

Speaker 11 (01:56:32):
Perhaps the world's greatest example, we remember Liz Trust, the
very short lived British prime minister. Conservative Party, came in
said we need to change things. The way the international
monetary system works, the way government debt works, everything, it's
all broken.

Speaker 4 (01:56:47):
And we want to change it.

Speaker 11 (01:56:48):
And all these little organizations that the government has created
over the past forty years. When no, you didn't ask us,
we don't agree. And with that the government collapsed instantly
because this network of allizations have been created to control
the government did not give its consent. It's going to
take a lot of work to get beyond that, but
I very very believe it's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
Well, i'll tell you what, Oliver Lane. Now you'd be
surprised how similar we are to written in that regard.
We call them non governmental organizations, quite often funded by
very large left wing dollars and the taxpayer dollars. We
have a very similar political situation. Lots of the work
gets farmed out to these crazy organizations, and politicians tend
to not do what they're well elected to do. It's

(01:57:32):
going to be a fantastic conversation. Empower Youamerica dot org,
register from home, tune in, make sure they're at seven pm.
Oliver Lane's going to give you a mucher, larger and
broader presentation on these and the opportunity to ask him questions. Oliver,
it's always great talking with you do such a wonderful job.
I'll look forward to our next discussion here at fifty
five krs the.

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
Talk station, and so that's not it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
It's always mine as well. A twenty at fifty five
ks the talk station, Peter Shriek, it's a thirty one
if you have k CED talk station communication breakdown with
Jrstreker not in. And this isn't a criticism of Sean McMahon,
but normally get a video feed hook up with Daniel L. Davis,
and that was not arranged ahead of time, and he's

(01:58:15):
not picking up the phone the phone number we got,
so maybe won't do it. But Shawn's busy working trying
to hook up with Daniel Davis. So I'm really curious
to find out what the hell's going on with the
Ukraine and Russia situation, which we normally get to do. However,
this will give me an opportunity to mention two things.
One thing reminder, Corey Bowman's kickoff. It's early voting now

(01:58:36):
for the city of Cincinnati. You got a primary going on.
Corey Bowman seems like a good guy. He is an
alternative to Aft tab provol I think he's the well,
the leading and outstanding Canada on the Republican side of
the lodger. He's been on the program quite a few times,
gotten to know him, and I think he's a good man,
which you know from It Loves Cincinnati, that's for darn sure.

(01:58:57):
So Corey Bowman's fund or not a fundraiser. It's a
meet and greet campaign or voting early voting kickoff, I
guess is more properly named Price Hill Chili beginning at
five PM this evening, five to seven, which then will
give you time to make it from Price l Chili
over to CVEG. Why do you want to be at
CVG tonight at nine to five, probably a little bit

(01:59:17):
beforehand on terminal on level C. You want to be
there for the return of the honor flight. You feel
in a lack of patriotism, you feeling a little maybe
like you want to support America's military, you want to
give those Vietnam veterans a pat on the back, because
they didn't get one when they came back from Vietnam.
Regardless of how you feel about the propriety of Vietnam

(01:59:37):
as a conflict, I think most of them really didn't
necessarily I don't know if it's most or a half
or a percentage of them. Quite often men and women
who serve in America's military don't necessarily cotonto or appreciate
the reasons motivations for being there. But you know what
they do the job, They step up to the plate,

(02:00:00):
They serve their country. And when the Vietnam veterans came back,
a lot of them people got and got spit on.
A lot of them couldn't wear their uniform anywhere. And
you think being deprived of the right to wear a
uniform that you proudly wore, only to be viewed as
a murderer and baby killer by the likes of Jane Fonda.

(02:00:20):
You didn't get a military parade. But I think we
all learned a valuable lesson from that terrible behavior that so.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
Many people engaged in.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
When the Vietnam veterans returned, and that plane that's going
to be coming back to Cveg tonight again right around
nine o'clock is going to be packed, or rather is
packed with Vietnam veteran era era veterans. I talk with
sub Mariner or Submarine or Mike Cribbage Mike this morning.
He was there for the sendoff. Andrew pappis former Anderson
Township trustees on the plane as well, and so they're

(02:00:49):
going to be there. But it is an uplifting, perhaps
allergy inspiring kind of thing, but it's well worth going.
And if you've got young people in your world, bring
them along. It's a wonderful patriotic display. So I've been
a couple of honor flights, and I'm telling you it's
a moving thing. So if honorflight Tristate dot org where

(02:01:13):
all the information is. But today is the first one
of the season. May twenty first will be the next one.
That's Wednesday, May twenty first, and then the two be
determined ones are in September and October. But if you
can put it down on your calendar to show up
at least at the welcome home rally, I think you
will find it is well worth your time and effort,
and there will be a heapload of people there, a

(02:01:33):
heap blow of people. It's always very well attended. So
no success with Daniel Davis. My apologies for that, and
I feel badly because I was looking forward to talking
to him this morning as well. So we'll get to
hear from Daniel Davis next week. Keep my fingers crossed
on that. Peter Browns was in studio for an hour
that will ultimately be on the podcast pageifty five KRSEE
dot com. Since Joe's out, that hasn't been updated yet,

(02:01:56):
so the guests from yesterday aren't up, including well my
conversation with Christopher Smithman, which is always a quite enjoyable
one as well. Uh, don't go away. We're gonna be
learning about head and neck cancer doctor Joseph Shaughnessy from OHC.
They're my cancer doctors and he's one of the great
ones at OHC talking about head and net cancer. We'll
learn all about that coming up. I hope you can
stick around. Colm eight thirty seven come up in a

(02:02:21):
thirty eight here fifty five KRCD talk station Brian Thomas
with one of the good doctors from OHC my cancer doctors. Yes,
I'm getting my ct scandiday and keep my fingers crossed
because I've got low spectrum lymphoma. But today we're gonna
be talking about head and net cancer. Why because it's
Head and Neck Cancer Month in studio to talk about that,
doctor Joseph Shaughnessy. And just so you know, because you're

(02:02:43):
gonna want to get the number down, it's ohcare dot
com online ohcare dot com eight eight eight six four
nine hundred for initial consultation for second opinion.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
To be glad you're talking to him. They're outstanding doctors.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
Welcome to the morning show, doctor Joseph, Joseph Shaughnessy.

Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
It's a pleasure to have you here.

Speaker 10 (02:02:59):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (02:03:01):
And you've got a well let's see here proof positive
in my hands radiation on collages with interest including breast cancer,
head and neck cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer, gastor intestinal cancer,
and skin cancer.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
Broad field of work you do there, doctor.

Speaker 12 (02:03:19):
Yeah, that's kind of the nature of what I do
out in the community. You know, see a broad spectrum
of cases and yeah, that's just kind of the nature
of our day to day operation.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
All right, let us initially establish what exactly is head
and net cancer. What comprises head and net cancer.

Speaker 12 (02:03:37):
It's basically any cancer that starts above the clavicles. So
any cancer that arises in the head and neck region
outside of the brain in the eye, those are normally
not included in this group of cancers. So that could
be a tonsil cancer, the back of the throat they
call it, the base of tongue, anywhere in the mouth
region or the gums, the voice box otherwise known as

(02:03:59):
the larynx. It can include the thyroid, and then even
skin cancers in the head and neck region. And then
there's some other rare cancers like the nasal passages or
the nasopharynx.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
Well, when I just had to dwelmost briefly skin cancer
in the head and neck region, that will be exterior
on your neck, that would still fall into your area
of practice or head and neck cancer.

Speaker 12 (02:04:17):
Yeah, exactly, Okay, And then you know it can start
in the head and neck area on the external scan,
and then it could involve the lymph nodes underneath.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Or fair enough, fair enough because be pasty Northern European
descentate white guy that's had multiple severe burns when he
was a child. I have a regular standing visit with
a dermatologist annually because Dad had a lot of removals
over the years, he spent a lot of time outside.
So just a little fun advice. If you want to
get an appointment with a dermatologists then you might fuck

(02:04:45):
you find yourself fall into that category. Not to speak
out of turn, doctor scheduled appointment now, because it's going
to be a long time before you can get in
with the dermatologist.

Speaker 10 (02:04:54):
Yeah, often six.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
I know, I know, it's crazy, it's just crazy. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Is any one of those various cancers you talked about
within the head and net cancer room more predominant than others,
like a softly deal cancer or the larynx or.

Speaker 12 (02:05:12):
I would say, so, there's this category called the oropharynx,
that's the tonsils and the back of the tongue. That
is probably the most common side of origin. And then
second behind that is probably the voice box. Diyrog cancer
is also a very common cancer, but that's kind of
in its own group and not kind of really often
the focus when they're talking about how net cancer, but

(02:05:33):
it is grouped into that as well.

Speaker 2 (02:05:35):
Do these cancers that you went down thyroid do they
carry with themselves different like risk factors Like I've read
and I'm state in the obvious, I think most people
are paying attention. Smoking, of course, and alcohol consumption can
also lead to throat cancers.

Speaker 10 (02:05:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:05:55):
Absolutely, you hit the nail on the head there. Alcohol
and various forms of tobacco exposure, probably in some way,
shape or form, account for seventy to seventy five percent
of these cancers. So yeah, those are a both very
well known risk factors and both modifiable risk factors. And

(02:06:16):
it's also important to note, you know, if you partake
in those things, cutting back or abstinence altogether can still
markedly reduce your risk of cancer in the long term.
So it's not like the damage is already done. Some
people think, Okay, I smoked my whole life, or I've
been drinking excessively for a long time. You know, I've
already assigned myself that permanent risk factor. If you can,

(02:06:37):
if you can scale back, you can reduce you It's
never too late to quit, exactly right. It six never
too late to convert salvation. Maybe around the corner you
maybe it'll avoid this type of thing. Well, how about infections? Yeah,
so that's the other big kind of driver of these cancers.
HPV infection. That's short for human power bloma virus. It's

(02:07:01):
a family of viruses. They're very common. They cause all
sorts of things from like run of the mill warts,
but there are a few more serious types such as
HPV sixteen.

Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
Oh and you know these these they like COVID nineteen
except HPV form no.

Speaker 12 (02:07:19):
But yeah, you know, when they discover these viruses, they
just assign a number to them, kind of in order
of when they discover them. But it most people, it's
still a very common virus.

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
Most everybody's got it.

Speaker 12 (02:07:31):
Yeah, most people have been exposed in some way, shape
or form, and then your body just gets rid of
it and it's not an issue, and then it's just gone.
But a very small percentage of people don't clear it,
and it kind of festers and it can cause kind
of chronic inflammation and eventually cause a regular cell division,
and then it causes the cancer.

Speaker 2 (02:07:49):
So it acts in the same way HPV acts on
cervical cancer. If you have HPV or serveral cancer is
quite often, if not predominantly, caused by an HPV infection exactly.

Speaker 12 (02:08:00):
That's it's the exact same mechanism, it's the same family,
it's the same virus as even the same high risk
HPV forms that cause cervical cancer can cause neck cancers.

Speaker 2 (02:08:10):
Okay, And not to get too graphic or specific, but
the mechanism by which one might contract HPV and end
up with throat cancer sort of acts in the same
way as you get it when you end up contracting
cervical cancer.

Speaker 12 (02:08:27):
Yeah, I mean, okay, direct contact and.

Speaker 2 (02:08:30):
Mouth and yeah, right, okay, So it's a sexually transmitted virus.
It's a sexually transmitted virus, Okay, regardless where it lands up.
That's the that's the point of it, all right, Oh,
of established that clear it up, that little bit of math.
Now this other one, this HPV sixteen, I've never heard
of that. Now I've heard of you know, home h people.
There's there's a whole multitude of these HPV viruses out there,

(02:08:52):
and some of them can, like you said, can cause
warts like genital warts or I guess same thing that
happens in your throat.

Speaker 12 (02:08:59):
Yeah, or even just the HPV viruses can cause skin
words too. I mean, there's so it's a whole spectrum
of these viruses.

Speaker 2 (02:09:06):
Okay, and since most people have it, I mean, if
you're sexually active at all, I guess the statistics are
that you probably have at least or at least had
an HPV infection.

Speaker 12 (02:09:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think I've seen that if you're
sexually active at all, there's over fifty percent chance that
you've had some sort of exposure to one of these types.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
All right, how about oral, fair, and genial cancers that's
caused by HPV as well, because because you say, the
notes suggest that they're on the rise.

Speaker 12 (02:09:36):
Yeah, so that is that group of cancers that like
the tonsil in the back of the tongue, those are
grouped under the that's a part of your body called
the oropharynx. And yeah, smoking and alcohol related cancers have
been diminishing over time. People are engaging in more generally
responsible behavior and moderation. But these HPV related cancers have

(02:09:57):
been increasing over time because the these viruses are just
so widespread now and exposure is so common. And yeah,
the oropharynx is that subset of head and neck cancers
that that tends to manifest these cancers.

Speaker 1 (02:10:11):
All right, Well, let's pauses a forty five.

Speaker 2 (02:10:12):
We'll continue with doctor Joseph Shaughnessy from OHC again online
in ohcare dot com eight at eight six eight hundred.
We're gonna get some other risk factors, typical symptoms. Uh,
we're gonna talk about screening a little bit and hopefully
can they be cured. He'll answer that question as well.

Speaker 5 (02:10:28):
Don't go way fifty five KRC since nineteen ten wimer.

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
A forty eight pig about CARCD talk station.

Speaker 2 (02:10:38):
OHHC My cancer doctors, ohcare dot coms where you find
them online eighty and eight sixty eight hundred in studio
doctor Joseph Shaughnessy, who's a head of net cancer specialists
among others. He's a whole litany of cancer specialist. But
we're talking about head and neck cancer. And when we're
talking about HPV, I asked about the vaccine and it
was a definite yes. And women can get the HPV

(02:11:01):
vaccine in order to try and stave off this right.

Speaker 12 (02:11:05):
Yes, I mean the hp vaccine is essentially a cancer
prevention vaccine. It is targeted against the high risk forms
of HPV, not just sixteen. They include a bunch of
different variations of it sixteen eighteen thirty one thirty three
and all these different forms that have been shown to
be high risk. It can prevent infection and in turn

(02:11:28):
can lower your risk of these HPV related cancers significantly.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
All Right, now I'm going on the side of I
don't care where you are with RFK Junior, I would
recommend getting that one. All right, What are the other
risk factors which might cause head and net cancers?

Speaker 1 (02:11:42):
Generally we've touched on really the main ones.

Speaker 12 (02:11:46):
Yeah, I mean, you know, there are other certain environmental exposures,
certain kind of chemicals and substances, certain industrial exposures out there.
I mean, that's a very small percentage of cancers related
to that, but there can be you know, just oral hygiene.
If your mouth is in bad shape and you don't
take good care of it and you just have chronic
inflammation in there from bad teeth, et cetera. You know,

(02:12:10):
that can be a risk factor.

Speaker 2 (02:12:11):
That should not happen to anybody in my listening audience.
You got doctors Peck and Frew. They're great doctors. They're
dennis to take care of you. Any genetic risk.

Speaker 12 (02:12:21):
Very little there, Okay, there's not any I mean, short
answer is.

Speaker 2 (02:12:25):
Now okay, cutting to the chase. What do people need
to be looking for in terms of the typical symptoms,
because you know, you get people freaked out about it, like,
oh my god, it is what happening now? Is this
related to throat cancer or something? What are the symptoms?

Speaker 12 (02:12:40):
Yeah, and that's tricky. There's a whole wide spectrum of
possible symptoms. I mean, what you're really looking out for
is something that is new and different for you and
it's not going away. I mean this can include like
a sore throat that's hanging around. Most sore throats are
not cancer related, but if you have a sore throat
that's persisting despite you giving it some time and some treatment,

(02:13:02):
that's something to get checked out. There can be wider
red patches in the mouth or throat that won't go away,
or you know, other gross or ulcers in that area.
If you have a change in your voice, like hoarseness
or a muffled voice, that could be a sign of
something going on, a new neck lump that won't go away,

(02:13:22):
difficulty swallowing, difficulty chewing, numbness or weakness in your face,
or you know, bleeding from your nose or mouth. That
it's more than just a once or twice off deal.
I mean, it's important to note that not all these
things mean you have cancer.

Speaker 2 (02:13:38):
Well that's why my next you can go to your
primary care physician sort of add an outset and talk
to that. I don't need to call oh if I
have a sinus infection that doesn't clear up with antibiotics immediately.

Speaker 12 (02:13:49):
Absolutely, the your primary care team is your first line
that you know. They're well versed in managing these issues,
and they're very well versed and knowing when to escalate
beyond conventional stuff like antibiotics are given it a little
extra time.

Speaker 2 (02:14:03):
All right, So we've talked at we were talked at
length about the lifestyles and screening. So what about the treatability.
How treatable are these is it? Can they metastasize? I mean,
I guess early detection is always usually really the key
to getting in front of it and being able to
have a greater likelihood of success. But what's going on

(02:14:24):
in the area of treatments and do people still have
hope if they get diagnosed?

Speaker 12 (02:14:28):
Yeah, So these cancers are very often absolutely curable, and
as you touched on, early detection and early intervention can
really tilt the scales in your favor. You know, if
it has spread outside the head and neck region, at
that point in time, it's more about controlling the disease
rather than cure. But the first thing we're thinking when

(02:14:48):
we look at any of these cancer cases is hey,
how can.

Speaker 10 (02:14:51):
We get to cure here? And there's a variety of
tools that we have to get to that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:55):
Clinical trials going on for any of these types of cancers.

Speaker 12 (02:14:58):
Absolutely, you're always trying to get better, find new things,
refine our treatment algorithms. I mean, one of the big
pushes in some of these clinical trials is actually sometimes
de intensification of treatment. Sometimes these treatments when you're doing
surgery or chemote therapy can be quite intense, and we

(02:15:19):
want to find that sweet spot where where we're maintaining
high cure rates but giving people as little side effects
as possible.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
Well, piling on the incentives for lifestyle changes. While you
may not be able to avoid getting an HPV infection
in these worlds, in this world that we currently live in,
I see that patients with HPV induced or oral fare
and geal cancer have a very high survival rate over
five years.

Speaker 12 (02:15:45):
Yeah, so you know, we do a great job with
these HPV related cancers. I mean a lot of scary
talk about how you know these viruses are out there,
people are getting these cancers. Often it can be you know,
younger patients getting these cancers. But the good news is
is that the cur rates, yeah, can be around eighty
five ninety percent, even if it's already spread to the

(02:16:05):
lymph nodes in the neck region, still very high curate.

Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
Well, that is very positive information. But again piling on
the lifestyle changes, tell my listeners about the population that
have some smoking slash drinking related.

Speaker 12 (02:16:19):
Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, they just don't do as well.
Those are more stubborn, tricky cancers that can be treatment resistant.
And also you know the effects of smoking and drinking
for decades can make your body less able to tolerate
treatment well. And so the combination of all those factors
can I mean those cancers have a cur rate. I
mean often it can be under fifty percent.

Speaker 1 (02:16:42):
Stuff you need to know, folks.

Speaker 2 (02:16:44):
And if you need a second opinion you've already been diagnosed,
get in touch with OHC at eight eight eight six.
Of course, if your doctor's suggestion you need to be
referred to a cancer physician. I'm glad that I had
a dear friend of mine refer me to OHC. I've
been at their great care for years now and I
wrongly recommend him as well as just from an independent
person who's been through that experience. Ohcare dot com is

(02:17:07):
where you can learn more. Doctor Shaughnessy, it's been a
real preasure talking to you this morning. Thanks for all
the great work you do and keep it up and
I will again encourage my listeners to get in touch
with you and related to cancer things.

Speaker 12 (02:17:17):
Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (02:17:19):
My pleasure is allmine. Eight fifty five folks. Peter Brownson
was in studio Full hour Man. It's the twenty fourth
anniversary of the Cincinnati Riots, and we did a deep
dive into that the reality is certainly different than what
was presented in the newspaper. That's be sure you can
get a copy of his book Behind the Lines, The
Told Stories of the Cincinnati Riots. Did the insight scoop
with the bright Bart news log in tonight, empower Youamerica

(02:17:40):
dot org and hear from Oliver Lane, the London bureau
Achief on what's happening in Europe. This sort of populism
Rise that also seems to be taking place here. He'll
be doing a deep dive into that didn't get the
deep dive with Daniel Davis. But you also have the
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